We've discussed this subject in a sort of scattered way and I've, for the most part, stayed out of it. But now I'll tell you what I think before you read this. Abstinence is one thing, but teaching so called "Abstinence Only Education" is dangerous and plays on the fears and guilt of young people. I believe you all should be given the right and consideration to know all that you can on the subject and then have the opportunity to make your own decisions based on that knowledge. Please read this and then share what you think.

The School of Safe Sex

By Liz Langley, Orlando Weekly
October 3, 2002

I love movies and see as many as I can, but there are some I don't mind missing. School movies fall into that last category. I don't miss sitting in a classroom enduring some antique opus that was even more tedious than our usual human presenters.

One school movie I'd be curious to see, though, is one I read about recently in the New York Times. No title to the film was offered, but its dialogue sounded surreal and intriguing. The movie is part of an abstinence program, a trend in public schools to abstain from comprehensively educating kids about sexual safety. Abstinence-only education teaches that abstinence is the only way to prevent STDs or pregnancy and this story said that "by 1999 one third of all public school districts were using abstinence-only curricula."

Interestingly, a report by the Alan Guttmacher Institute says that while abstinence contributed to a quarter of the drop in teen pregnancies recently, improved contraceptive education was responsible for the other three quarters of that decrease.

Failing to give kids enough knowledge of condoms and other protective items is like refusing to teach them to drive even though you know they have enough money for a down payment on a car. I don't know why anyone would want to let their kids dangle out there unsafe and ignorant, but according to Women's Enews, George W. has increased the budget for abstinence-only education by $33 million for 2003.

Anyway, in this school movie, a teen-age boy is said to ask what happens if he wants to have premarital sex and a nurse responds, "Well, I guess you're just going to have to be prepared to die."

I'm a little worried about this boy and would like to address him directly for a moment:

I'm sorry this bitch talked to you that way. First of all, it is not true that people who have sex without being married to each other all die. If they did the earth would look like a supersized Jonestown and would stink like a fish-market dumpster on a summer afternoon. Virgins would have time for nothing except burning the dead who they'd have to tote around everywhere, like "Weekend at Bernies," just to make room to put down their drinks.

Second, you don't really have to be prepared to die; it happens to unsuspecting people all the time. You do have to be prepared to live, though, and to this end you want to protect yourself from the dangers posed by any sex you're going to have, so you can have more and better sex in the future.

And that's something you will want. I have never heard anyone say, "I've had enough sex to last me a lifetime."

It's true that abstinence will protect you 100 percent from pregnancy and STDs, just like never going anywhere will prevent you from getting in a car wreck. God knows there are plenty of adults who aren't getting any -- abstinent by accident. It's not the worst thing that can happen to you.

When you do have sex, though, simply adopt the "You don't know where it's been" rule of using condoms. If you don't know where it's been, keep a barrier between you and it, whatever it is. I know that condoms are a little awkward, but it will be more awkward for if you end up having to ask a doctor to look at your crotch like a jeweler appraising a diamond and have them tell you what strain of cooties you've contracted. Organizations like Planned Parenthood can help you with more detailed information on protection and they will not say things such as "Prepare to die, infidel!" or whatever martial-arts film dialogue that broad in the video offered by way of help.

You may actually not be ready to have sex yet. I know people in their 30s who I don't think are ready. It's something you can't BS yourself about, and, also, it's a thing you can't understand until you've been there, like Europe. Guidebooks are important but nothing can prepare you for the actual trip.

And, like Europe, who you go with makes all the difference in the world. A good guideline that will last anyone through adulthood is a quote from the movie, "Clueless: "You know how picky I am about my shoes and they only go on my feet."

Anyway, I worry about that kid, so it had to be said.

This Times story mentioned another educational approach to teen sexuality, the abstinence-plus approach, "in which teen-agers are discouraged from rushing into sex but also given information about contraception."

That idea seems to have everything: balance, depth and the inference that they are responsible to themselves. It might work one day, when we go back to wanting to give kids a more full education. After all, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but too little knowledge is a helluva lot worse.

Kinda funny. our school taught us the STUPIDEST sex ed curriculum. all about STDs and a LITTLE bit about condems and such but everytime she said ANYTHING it was followed with some stupid statistic and she had this activity where it turns out in the end that eevryone in out class would end up dieing of aids or something if ONE person in class had it. thats such a lie. if it was the truth, everyone over the age of 20 would be dieing rite now. all that class did was make me horny for an hour.

That reminds me... look what I found in the NYtimes today.

"3 Say Brooklyn Principal Sent Sexually Explicit E-Mail"

:nonono: Some example he's setting for us.

That's crap...If someone is stupid enough to have sex they deserve STD's and kids....God, Isn't this what seperates us from animals? Having the ability to hold our feelings in even though we may be....ok in Suzanne Words...."Hot and Bothered"God I wouldn't want my tax money going into a condem class....

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
That's crap...If someone is stupid enough to have sex they deserve STD's and kids....God, Isn't this what seperates us from animals? Having the ability to hold our feelings in even though we may be....ok in Suzanne Words...."Hot and Bothered"God I wouldn't want my tax money going into a condem class....

Yet the tax dollars should go to a course that really doesn't teach anything? LOL. They're going to do it anyway, may as well tell them how to protect themselves properly . . . .

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
That's crap...If someone is stupid enough to have sex they deserve STD's and kids....God, Isn't this what seperates us from animals? Having the ability to hold our feelings in even though we may be....ok in Suzanne Words...."Hot and Bothered"God I wouldn't want my tax money going into a condem class.... stupid enough to have sex.... that the funniest thing ive heard all hour.

whoops...hah yeah that is funny I meant sex before marriage..................... basically sex before people are ready for it, which to me is when you are ready 2 get married

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
...If someone is stupid enough to have sex they deserve STD's and kids....

Well aren't we judgemental today. I can think of plenty of people I know- wait let me rephrase that- plenty of people even on this site who are not virgins and not married. And I'll tell you something, a lot of them don't "deserve STD's and kids". I know where your coming from on this, it's that whole "follow the Bible no sex before marriage" stuff. But that doesn't mean that you have to go out and offend half the world who has had sex before. I know that that is your belief and I'm fine with it, but seriously, I did find that comment a little offensive

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta


Well aren't we judgemental today. I can think of plenty of people I know- wait let me rephrase that- plenty of people even on this site who are not virgins and not married. And I'll tell you something, a lot of them don't "deserve STD's and kids". I know where your coming from on this, it's that whole "follow the Bible no sex before marriage" stuff. But that doesn't mean that you have to go out and offend half the world who has had sex before. I know that that is your belief and I'm fine with it, but seriously, I did find that comment a little offensive

Yea Chris, and what about beofre who are raped or sexually abused? Do they deserve STD's? I follow abstinence, because that's what I persoanlly believe in, but I don't shove it doen everyone's throught. As long as I believe in it, no one can change that.

I'm really sorry Karly, Now that I reread it it was wrong and I sincerly apologize for that comment, It was wrong of me. I just don't think that having sex can help anything...Idk....It is really hard to come to a right conclusion from everything you hear....But Idk...

i dont believe in abstinence. so before i say anything else in this post, ill just tell you all that so you will know beforehand where i stand.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
I just don't think that having sex can help anything...

Um.... not all people have sex to help things. Many people feel they are ready for sex and want to have it.

I know, But I mean liek it won't help things if in fact some1 gets pregnant...

When i got sex ed my mom showed me a video about it all and was nasty like it was showing an animation of the intercourse haaaha it was nasty but it was funny

im all for it. without it, a lot of kids would know absolutely nothing about sex. imagine 12 year old boys getting excited and not knowing whats happening and then go running to mom... "MOM WHY IS IT DOING THIS??" or girls when they first get their period.

I think schools should teach the basics while focusing on abstinence and the only "safe sex" being after marriage.
My school has the worst sex-ed curriculum- Freshman year we had a health class where we had to do a research project on an STD, ughh. The "sex-ed" course is junior year- i dont have to take it until spring of this year but a lot of my friends are taking it now...ok, the other day they practised putting condoms on bananas - how disturbing is that. The teacher is such an idiot and literally will answer ANY question. Call me conservative but i think there are some things high school juniors shouldnt be taught quite yet.

we had sex ed in 5th and 6th grade and never again after that. a little bit was covered in the semester health class that we have to take but other than that not much was said about sex at my school. good thing i know some people who have told me so much more.

Originally posted by tootieismyfav
good thing i know some people who have told me so much more.

Like picture drawing neighbors for instance...

No but seriously, my parents never sat me down and talked about it. Not sex, periods, drinking, drugs, nothing.

1] They probably assume I know drinking and drugs is wrong, so they don't even bother

2] They probably know I knew about sex in 2nd grade so they don't bother about that either

3] If not the above 2, then they probably just don't care, which is sad...

I had sex ed. in 5th grade, and it actually taught me a whole lot more then my parents ever will. I believe we are going to touch on it this year in 8th, also....

Head in the sand type education such as 'abstinence only' is not fair to the unsuspecting recipient. For the sake of argument lets agree for the moment that abstinence only education, because of all that it leaves out, results in more unwanted pregnancies and other undesirable outcomes of unprotected sex than more well-rounded, realistic approaches. There's lots of evidence to back that up and I think it's common sense that ignorance about sex leads to problems. But whether you agree or not, wasn't it irresponsible for the ("bitch") nurse, of all people, to keep a young person ignorant about his or her options, and then flat out tell them that they and all of their friends will die if they have sex? And then on top of that to try and make them feel - as Georgias on my mind said but later apologized for - that they'd deserve to die because they'd be sinning by having sex and acting no more admirably than chimps cavorting around with one another in plain view at the zoo?

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta

No but seriously, my parents never sat me down and talked about it. Not sex, periods, drinking, drugs, nothing.


Same with my parents- my mom hated talking about that kind of thing so she just never did...
My friends older sister told us just about everything when we were in the third grade.

At school last year the boys were all somewhere else and the girls were in the classroom and the teacher was like "well now that there's just u girls are in here i need to talk to u about ur period, if u ever get ur period in class just whisper it to me and i'll excuse u to get pads" and stuff and every1s goin "eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!" gosh...

Obviously I can't comment on the state of things in America, but sex education in British schools is sorely lacking. I remember getting a really brief, vague talk from the school nurse when I was in P7 (age 11) and it was only the girls who got this talk - the boys got nothing.
We got another talk - both boys and girls (although not together obviously) - in 2nd year. I was about 14 at the time. This talk was better and we were actually allowed to ask questions ourselves, but it really only covered the 'mechanics' of sex. The emotional issues were never discussed and, IMO, it's the emotional issues involved in having sex that kids need to talk about - not the other stuff.
The other thing which bothered me was that there was no follow-up councelling. Once the nurse left the room that was it - we were on our own - we weren't told who to talk to if we needed further advice or where to go if we needed help in the future. This bugged me as, being gay, I didn't feel like my situation was being taken into consideration and I would have liked to have discussed it with someone in confidence and I couldn't.
Sex ed in UK schools is a bloody joke! :mad:

When I had Sex Ed many moons ago...in 7th or 8th grade...we were seperated into boys and girls. The boys went with the Coach Fisher, the male science teacher, and us girls went with Mrs. Smith, the female science teacher.

Our class was a week long. The first day we watched a video, I have no idea what it was about, I don't remember anymore. The rest of the week was spent asking questions and getting answers. Mrs. Smith had a box outside of her door where people could drop in questions that they were too embarrased to ask in class and she would answer all the questions. She didn't beat around the bush about anything, if you had a question she would answer it flat out.

The best way to prevent STD's and pregnancies is to educate. Tell kids what the consequences are of having sex. Tell them ways to protect themselves. People are going to have sex if they want to, there is nothing that can be done to stop that unless dear old daddy brings back the chastity belt :D

Seriously, tell people the diseases they can get, the responsibilities they will have if they get pregnant, and how to use condoms. Abstanence IS the best way to keep fromgetting STD's and becoming pregnant...but not everybody will do that.

D

Originally posted by Titania
I think schools should teach the basics while focusing on abstinence and the only "safe sex" being after marriage.


I totally agree with you on that. In my school they showed a video that covered the topic of puberty in 5th grade to the whole class and the School nurse would come in a talk to use about sex and things not to much abut abstanance as the other stuff though and ask us if we had any questions but we would just sit there and look totally shocked and embarassed at each other. But that was mainly our sex ed that we got, well in highschool they did discuss it a little bit in our Parenting class but that was it and there were maybe only 2 girls during 90's that were pregnant in my shcool which is really good but I live in a small town and that could be why to.

Let's see, we have sex ed. in 5th grade, and we were seperated inot boys and girls, boys went the first day, girls the second, and it was a whole day thing. Then when I was a sophomore and in health, it was required for all 10th graders to go to "Sex Fest" where they basically talk to you about sex, protection, diseases, and they had all these weird pamplets on safe sex for you and youre partner and we even had a slide show for the guys where they talked about all the STD's on guys. The visuals were horrible. Looking at 'you-know-whats' all diseased and inflated. God, I'm just grossing myself out right now so I think I'll stop for all our sakes.........

Originally posted by tootieismyfav
good thing i know some people who have told me so much more.
Ya i know i've learned alot about sex from the streets, the movie my mom showed me didnt say nething about protection or diseases

Sex education...hah. What's that...that's unheard of at my school. You'd probably get detention for even saying "sex".

One of these days, perhaps...schools, parents, and policy makers will come to the conclusion that lying to children not only does a great disservice to them, but only breeds mistrust and an "us vs. them" mentality. (between kids and elders). This goes for both sex and drug education, and a number of other things.

Just as the argument goes that after someone smokes their first joint and they discover they don't go into a homicidal rage as their D.A.R.E. cops told them they would and therefore they begin to ponder about what else they have been taught that was a lie, so it goes with the misinformed teen who just could not control their urges only to find out they did not spontaneuosly combust post-coitus.

Abstinence only education is irrational and irresponsible.

Originally posted by Titania
ok, the other day they practised putting condoms on bananas - how disturbing is that. The teacher is such an idiot and literally will answer ANY question. Call me conservative but i think there are some things high school juniors shouldnt be taught quite yet.

:eek: OK, I will call you conservative. I can't believe you don't get sex ed until you are juniors! That is highly irresponsible of your school system. By that time I wager at least half the class has already had sex. And putting a condom on a banana is really not disturbing at all. Wouldn't you prefer that everyone involved actually knows how to use it? You may find it gross or inappropiate now, but someday maybe you will appreciate the fact that your teacher will answer anything.

Originally posted by Titania
I think schools should teach the basics while focusing on abstinence and the only "safe sex" being after marriage.

I'm sorry, but I also have to call you and anyone who agrees with this statement naive. Why do so many people think marriage suddenly makes things safe?

The only thing you have to focus on is this:

Does marriage stop unwanted pregnancies? NO!

How many jokes have you heard about someone's kid being "an accident"?

Does marriage magically protect you from STDs? NO!

Just ask my cousin who contracted many STDs from her cheating (now ex-) husband.

Don't come at me with arguments that these things aren't issues in "good" marriages, unless you are willing to make that point clear every single time you argue for marriage being a "safe haven" for sex. Don't try to tell me that marriage makes people more prepared for unwanted pregnancies, because that is not always the case.

I have been practicing truly safe unmarried sex with one partner for five years.

Wondering yet what else they told you was a lie?


~*~*~*
(On a side note, regarding the posted article, I don't see why it was necessary to refer to the actress in the film as both a "bitch" and a "broad". She was simply an actress doing her job, and somehow I doubt the nurse would have been called a "bastard" or anything else if the part had just happened to have been filled by a man.)

Originally posted by tootieismyfav
im all for it. without it, a lot of kids would know absolutely nothing about sex. imagine 12 year old boys getting excited and not knowing whats happening and then go running to mom... "MOM WHY IS IT DOING THIS??" or girls when they first get their period.
Oh, definitely. It prepares you. And of course kids already know a lot when they learn it in class, but there are some things kids don't know. I think it helps a lot that you discuss it in class...as long as the kids are mature. Immature kids who start giggling and whooing...God that bugs me so much. Luckily I had a pretty good class last year...but I'm just rambling now....

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh:
Why do so many people think marriage suddenly makes things safe?

The only thing you have to focus on is this:

Does marriage stop unwanted pregnancies? NO!

How many jokes have you heard about someone's kid being "an accident"?

Does marriage magically protect you from STDs? NO!

Its about time someone mentioned that. I was going to say it myself, but then I noticed this post. Sex is sex whether you're married or not. The risks are essentially the same. The fact is that sex is a natural human instinct and desire. It is an outright lie to deny that, and it is especially harmful to do it when teaching kids. At the age of puberty and the years of being a teenager, kids are confused enough in trying to develop into an adult socially, emotionally, and physically. How can we tell them that these new feelings they are having, which are perfectly normal, are wrong and need to be supressed? The most valuable teaching tool with kids is honesty. I know I have always had much more respect for teachers who tell the truth and are open to questions and discussion.I am much more likely to take their lessons seriously and so are others. My mother was always very honest with me about sex. When I was 7 and asked her about it, she sat me down and just told me, no lies, no cute stories, only the truth. Same for each of the following times I asked her about it. I realize now, being older, how hard that must have been for her, but I have always appreciated and been grateful for her open approach. We had sex ed in 5th grade, they separated boys and girls and showed us videos, but it was just the mechanics of sex, which we already knew by then. In high school we had sex ed every year as part of the health curriculum, we learned about safe sex, STD's, condoms and how to use them, and had several debates about whether condoms should be distributed in public schools. My teachers were always very open and it helped a lot. (They were all for condom distribution). My high school was lacking in many respects, but I always thought they handled that very well. Okay, I've rambled enough, my point is, sex happens. Its normal, its common, and it isn't going anywhere. Its wrong to blindfold kids and pretend it isn't. We need to teach that abstinence is an option, but sex is an option, too - IF you feel you are ready(its important to help kids with the emotional aspect too) and are fully aware of the risks, and use protection. People need to make their own choices, just remember - with freedom comes responsibility.

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh
One of these days, perhaps...schools, parents, and policy makers will come to the conclusion that lying to children not only does a great disservice to them, but only breeds mistrust and an "us vs. them" mentality. (between kids and elders). This goes for both sex and drug education, and a number of other things.

Just as the argument goes that after someone smokes their first joint and they discover they don't go into a homicidal rage as their D.A.R.E. cops told them they would and therefore they begin to ponder about what else they have been taught that was a lie, so it goes with the misinformed teen who just could not control their urges only to find out they did not spontaneuosly combust post-coitus.

Abstinence only education is irrational and irresponsible.

I agree that only teaching abstinence is wrong but seriously, the way it is presented in many public schools (ex- handing out condoms, discussing abortion as an option) is wrong as well. Yes by the time the actual "sex-ed" course is taught junior year I'd guess that over half the class has had sex but as I said- its a terrible curriculum.


Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh


I'm sorry, but I also have to call you and anyone who agrees with this statement naive. Why do so many people think marriage suddenly makes things safe?

The only thing you have to focus on is this:

Does marriage stop unwanted pregnancies? NO!

How many jokes have you heard about someone's kid being "an accident"?

Does marriage magically protect you from STDs? NO!

Just ask my cousin who contracted many STDs from her cheating (now ex-) husband.

Don't come at me with arguments that these things aren't issues in "good" marriages, unless you are willing to make that point clear every single time you argue for marriage being a "safe haven" for sex. Don't try to tell me that marriage makes people more prepared for unwanted pregnancies, because that is not always the case.



No one said that marriage suddenly makes things safe, but I disagree with some of what your saying.

Personally if I have to have an unwanted pregnancy I'd rather be married to its father instead of have him want nothing to do with raising it and ditch me for someone else the next week.

Also its hard to deny that you stand less of a chance of contracting herpes from your (assuming loyal) spouse than from someone you meet in a bar or the prom date you met two weeks ago. And few high school students that have sex are having it with only one person for any legnth of time.

So now Im naive and conservative, hmm? I guess there are worse things in life.

Originally posted by Titania
I agree that only teaching abstinence is wrong but seriously, the way it is presented in many public schools (ex- handing out condoms, discussing abortion as an option) is wrong as well.

OK, so you said before you think schools should teach the basics with a focus on abstinence. By "basics" I assume you mean the biology and mechanics of sex? So do you think there should be discussion of STDs and condoms, or is that wrong in your opinion?

Think about this: if someone handed you a condom tomorrow, would you run out an have sex? I'm betting "NO". The decision to have sex is an individual thing, and no one is going to make it simply because someone handed them a condom. If you did say "no", then why do you assume that for a large number of people the answer would be "yes"?

Originally posted by Titania
No one said that marriage suddenly makes things safe, but I disagree with some of what your saying.

It was certainly implied by you and others.

Originally posted by Titania
Personally if I have to have an unwanted pregnancy I'd rather be married to its father instead of have him want nothing to do with raising it and ditch me for someone else the next week.

You are making the erroneous assumption that marriage equates to responsibility and stability while being single cannot.

Originally posted by Titania
Also its hard to deny that you stand less of a chance of contracting herpes from your (assuming loyal) spouse than from someone you meet in a bar or the prom date you met two weeks ago. And few high school students that have sex are having it with only one person for any legnth of time.

Ah, there's the rub. Now you say "assuming loyal". That's my whole point. If you are going to argue that marriage is the only safe haven for sex you MUST qualify that by saying that there are assumptions, such as fidelity and emotional committment.

Originally posted by Titania
So now Im naive and conservative, hmm? I guess there are worse things in life.

True.

Personally, I just find it extremely unfortunate that large segments of the population find myself and others like me to be careless and irresponsible, simply because I do not have a ring on my finger. Lack of marriage does not mean lack of committment, which is the prevalent assumption. One of my good but unfortunately less-than-responsible friends got pregnant from a guy she had been dating for less than 2 weeks. This guy is a good man, ready to face his responsiblity and stood by her, eager to share his life with her and their child. Sadly, the pregnancy ended in miscarriage, but the point is that responsibility for your actions is a quality one either possesses or does not, independent of whether one is married.

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh
Think about this: if someone handed you a condom tomorrow, would you run out an have sex? I'm betting "NO". The decision to have sex is an individual thing, and no one is going to make it simply because someone handed them a condom. If you did say "no", then why do you assume that for a large number of people the answer would be "yes"?

Well...
Because I know the people in my grade and I know the girl who got pregnant in seventh grade right after her parents told her about sex. ( her daughter turned 4 this year) Because I know the guys Ive gone out with who have only one thing in mind and Because I know that so many people in my class started experimenting the moment they had easy access to protection.


Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh

You are making the erroneous assumption that marriage equates to responsibility and stability while being single cannot.


So maybe Im still one of the naive people who think that when you say "till death do us part" there should be a certain amount of truth and I'm clinging to the ideal that someday I'll find someone who feels the same way and the issue of infidelity won't have to be a concern.


Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh

Personally, I just find it extremely unfortunate that large segments of the population find myself and others like me to be careless and irresponsible, simply because I do not have a ring on my finger. Lack of marriage does not mean lack of committment, which is the prevalent assumption.

I never said you were careless or irresponsible. I just have a certain moral notion that sex should be confined to marriage and if I'm going to be in a serious relationship for the rest of my life I might as well have the ring.

the moral of this story: we all disagree.

i got sex ed (a mini lesson thang) for the first time in the 4th grade. then again in 7th and 8th. so now im pretty much done. i heard just about all useless info that can be drilled into me, and all the lies like people who have sex before marriage ALWAYS feel horrible afterwards and then have sex with everyone cuz once uve done it once u can do it again. sometimes the classes use certain immages of sexually active teens and label the rest. like my dare officer. he was so dumb. i bet he was on drugs.

Originally posted by Titania
So maybe Im still one of the naive people who think that when you say "till death do us part" there should be a certain amount of truth and I'm clinging to the ideal that someday I'll find someone who feels the same way and the issue of infidelity won't have to be a concern.

You are missing my point. I do not think it is naive to believe in "til death do us part", or to hold out until you are certain you have found that.

My point is that you seem to think (or be implying) that marriage is the only way to acheive responsibility or committment, like as if marriage causes these things.

I would argue that in modern American society, marriage does not result in responsibility or committment (though this may have been true in the past or even still today in societies where marriages are arranged and people are forced into marriage before they are ready). Rather, I would say that responsibility eventually leads to marriage. Many people nowadays would never think of getting married until they felt they were responsible enough to handle it, but it is not as if the moment they feel mature and responsible they run out and get married. Point being there are scads and scads of responsible, mature singles out there, and it just seems sometimes that no one is willing to acknowledge that fact. And if you are a responsible single person, you can avoid getting herpes from that guy you met in the bar.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
the moral of this story: we all disagree.

well put. And Bootsy, I'm not going to agree with you anytime soon so lets put an end to this debate before it turns full fledged fight.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
like my dare officer. he was so dumb. i bet he was on drugs.

:lol: my dare officer was on drugs....she got arrested that year for stealing the drugs from a dentists office. Some example...

Originally posted by Titania


:lol: my dare officer was on drugs....she got arrested that year for stealing the drugs from a dentists office. Some example...

thats the funniest thing ive heard in a loooong time.

I had Sex Ed. last year in 8th Grade. We learned quite a bit. We had a lot of papers handed out to us that we read through in class. Our school didnt seperate the girls and boys, we just went by the homeroom classes. We also got a few papers that we had to lable and color, lol.