View Full Version : Darrin Stevens was/is a bigot


DantesFire
09-08-2000, 03:27 AM
I started watching Bewitched again about a year ago and first time I ever noticed that Darrin is a bigot. Perhaps it justified in that Darrin doesn't like witchcraft because the witches don't like him. Maybe because it's the 60's tv and the wife is suppose to be compliant to the husband (according to the networks and their sponsors). Maybe because even as tolerance was being taught on tv, differences were still being made into big deals.
I always wondered if Samatha and Darrin existed in real life would they eventually gotten a divorce? If their marriage was a christian-jewish marriage and the husband forbidded the wife to pratice her religious beliefs, how long before the wife would have to walk out or let her soul be crushed under their "love". If their marriage had been maybe white-black inter-racial marriage and the white husband didn't want his black wife to see any of her black friends and family memebers, don't you think many of her old friends and family would have protested even moreso. Come on Darrin didn't even want anyone to know that Endora was there.
Darrin would have Samatha deny her power to the point of it affecting her health. (Not having seen all of the episodes I don't know if having the kids deny their powers affected them badly.) Darrin also appears to be constantly trying to teach his kids that having magical powers was bad. It's understood that at times, it was best to keep their powers a secret, because it was shown often enough that mortals feared witches, but I remember a few times where Darrin frowned upon his kids using their powers in the privacy of their own home.
Of course Darrin was also a hypocrite. When he might benefit from her using her powers he thought it was ok. Any other time "Sam, I strictly forbid you to use your powers!"
Put yourself into Samatha's place and her childrens place. Wonder how she thought her husband was a terrific man. Of course realize many abusive relationships works on the concept that one spouse thinks the world of the other one. And that any abusiveness is just a form of love.

Perderabo
09-08-2000, 08:47 AM
Using this much analysis on a sitcom indicates that you are missing the point. Characters in sitcoms must do things that don't make much sense. I usually just accept the situation, suspend disbelief, and enjoy the show. The only exception to this is "Amos 'n Andy" which seems too mean-spirited toward blacks for me to enjoy.

Shouldn't Andy have fired Barney long ago? Ditto The Skipper and Gilligan? Damn near any sitcom marriage exhibits problems that should shatter any real marriage.

But if people behave sensibly in sitcoms, it won't be funny.

I am just as foolish as you to try and answer your question directly, but here goes:

From a Christian viewpoint, (the only one available to me), there are two sources of supernatural power: God and Satan. When Darrin sees Sam performing witchcraft, from his standpoint she is sinning. It is ok to love a sinner but hate the sin. So he would be remiss to fail to try and stop Sam from using witchcraft. Ditto his children. And he slips himself when he tolerates it. I cannot imagine things from Sam's viewpoint, she never seems to question the source of her power. But the differences between them are vast, clearly their mutual love must be very great to constantly overcome them.

But I must say again that this level of analysis of the situations in sitcoms is silly.

DantesFire
09-09-2000, 03:26 AM
I have to admit I was bored when I began to analysis it in depth, but I realized what was going on by just watching. If you just watch and play Darrin and Samatha as real people, you wonder why Samatha let's him do the stuff he does.
Never have I gotten the impression that Samatha's magic was satanic in natural, but as I have stated I have not seen all of them. The impression I constantly got was Darrin didn't want magic used was because it meant his family wasn't normal. Also as far as I know they never showed religion on that show. As far as I understood it, the networks do not like to bring up religion on tv, not so much as now but definitely back in the 60's.
As to the supernatural having only 2 sources, God or satan, doesn't work for me. I believe there is a God, but not the one in the bible. Since the bible is bias opinions and not true factual history, warped by hundreds of years of alteration and misunderstanding (Seriously think about it, even today different religions even thought it's basically the same bible do not contain the same text. Some have more some have less, some have the same text with different stories And you have heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls.)
Science has been having a hard time dealing with the supernatural because of bad and misleading information, especially the one of science or magic. The thing you have to realize is the supernatural is another form of science. Such as using herbs was once thought of as witchcraft, note Tomatoes were once considered evil because they are blood-red. Ghost are now believed to be thought as psychic impressions. Seeing the future, Dreams and hunches are now being seen as your brain predicting and figuring out things in possible logical outcomes, Not magic, just using different parts of your brain. Ability to move things with your mind, set things on fire, electric shocks, rare but have been documented.
Magic and the supernatural is considered satanic because it was misunderstood, in large by the same people who would say, "If it ails you, use leeches", same people who would rub **** on themselves because it came from the pope, same people who say, "God bless you," in order to put your soul back in.

The T
09-09-2000, 10:40 PM
I agree with perdarado (sorry if I got name wrong). Did you ever notice that ALL of the actors EVER on the show are DEAD!!>?!?!?!?!?! Kind of a coincidence huh? They died from freak accidents or rare diseases. there is something about the show that sems satanic. I still do like watching it though. It is an interesting show and something new always happens. Just the same though if you really go into the details alot of the spells and things they said were true in real life about the witch stuff. Sometimes the chantings or alot of just the sayings I ahve heard of in real life! They don't just come from an imaginary point of view. I think I even heard that they had a real witch on the set alot of the time or help with the scripts! I am not sure if that is true but I do beleive I heard that before!
WEll talk to you guys later!

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DantesFire
09-10-2000, 09:58 AM
Nope I didn't know most of the cast were dead. How did most of the major characters die?
I used to date a wicca and it seemed more like a pagan religion than a satanic one. She worshipped the earth goddess, sun and moon, celebrated certain times of the year like winter and summer solartice, used crystals, incense, herbs, etc. Chanting just seemed like rhymes sometimes made up for just that occasion. I only attended a few events and it seemed more like people hanging out and having fun, probably only allowed to the tamer stuff. Any real Wiccas out there?
What did you mean by spells and stuff you heard in real life? Most of the spells on the show just seem made up for whatever they are trying to do and lots of times with a sense of humour. A witch on the set? Where exactly did you hear that one? That seems farfetched, last thing I think they would want in the 60's is to inspire a bunch of religious fanatics to boycott the show because of "attempts to spread satanism".

Perderabo
09-18-2000, 12:13 PM
Elizabeth Montgomery, Dick Sargent, Agnes Moorehead, and Paul Lynde all died from cancer. Dick York died from emphysema. David White died from a heart attack.

Most of the sitcom stars from the sixties are getting long in the tooth. There's going to be more of this happening over the next decade.

I always get a little weirded-out when I watch "My Favorite Martian". Who would have guessed that Ray Walston would be the last surviving cast member? And he's still going strong...

The T
09-18-2000, 10:55 PM
Well I ain't sure if I really heard about the witch on set. Maybe that was for something else, but I do know that alot of the spells are real maybe not the spells they use but real witches do use them. And wiccas and wickens are usually just as bad. We should worship the Lord, not the earth and goddesses and stuff. The earth made the earth? I don't think so. I am not trying to condemn you, don't think that. I am just saying what I know is true. The bible says "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" you've heard it right? Well then worshiping any other so-called god (Grass, earth, sky, idols) would mean you are putting that before the *TRUE* God! you get my drift? I can explain more if ya want. Just a breif overview of what I beleive.

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DantesFire
09-19-2000, 04:09 AM
Cancer, emphysema, and heart attacks are not what I would call freak accidents nor rare diseases. Sounds like regular stuff that happens to people who used to smoke alot, suntanned and ate plenty of bacon. Or just got old.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me", again who wrote that? Think about it, if you want to be a leading francise in the spiritual area you would tell people we are the only one and prove it by having it written somewhere. Tricks like that have been employed by religious and political leaders before and now. Example during the middle ages most people were kept ignorant of reading because the church wanted to do the thinking for people. Even today you are suppose to follow certain edicts from the pope because when it comes to God he is large.

Perderabo
09-19-2000, 11:37 AM
*sigh* I didn't mean to start a fistfight here folks, I was just trying to show an alternate point of view to the "bigot" comment. But let's try to throw some light in with the heat here...

First, DantesFire, you are correct that Wicca is a Pagan religion and not a Satanic one. But Gavin Frost founded the Church of Wicca in 1968. Bewitched premiered in 1964, a full 4 years before there was a Wicca. Clearly Samatha cannot be intended to portray a Wiccan Witch. The writers had no idea what actions Dr. Frost was going to take in 1968.

Second, Wiccans are governed by a code of ethics. Here, for example, is the Wiccan Rede:
Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill
If it harm none, do what you will.

And "none" means "none", Wiccans cannot harm even themselves.

Now compare that to Sam's behavior. In one episode I recall her being troubled by a nosy investigator. She wiggled her nose and he was teleported into a bull ring in Mexico with a bull charging at him. Wiccans would find behavior like that just as intolerable as Christians.

Wiccans do like like the term "Witch" because it is not very specific. They are not Satanists and they never claim to possess the kind of power that Sam displays. Their spells are much closer the Christian concept of prayer than they are to Sam's wiggling nose.

But don't take my word for it, read their website (http://www.wicca.org/) to confirm all of my comments about Wicca.

I should have been more specific in my original post that I commenting on Satanic Witches. Most Christian Churches and the Church of Wicca agree that Satanic Witches are very rare indeed, if they exist at all.

DantesFire
09-19-2000, 12:24 PM
I didn't think this was a fist fight but I do get passionate about proving myself right. I still think Darrin was a bigot and like I said if you thought of Samatha instead of being a witch but a black woman or jewish woman, or any other usually scapegoated group , you would say, "Damn Darrin Stevens is a bigot."

The T
09-19-2000, 01:18 PM
Just forget it. Forget I even mentioned it. You can beleive what I beleive and I will beleive what I want.



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DantesFire
09-19-2000, 06:54 PM
I could believe what you believe,buuuuuuut I think I'll believe in what I believe.
Again I state Darrin Stevens was a bigot.
I will try to clarify. He hated his wife's culture, her family and friends because they were different. He didn't want them around when he was or even when he wasn't. He was scared the neighbors and his friends would find out (perhaps we can let this slide because he probably also didn't want people to know cause he knew a witchhunt would most likely occur.) He had her not use her powers to the point where it affected her health. But if opportunity popped up he wasn't afraid to ask his wife for magical assistance but only on his say so. Etc, etc, blah, blah, later.

The T
09-19-2000, 10:56 PM
I TOTALLY agree! You are absolutely right! Darrin is a bigot! all your points are very good! Why couldn't he just let her whip up something for dinner real quick that would taste better and everything!? But if it was a guest or client, well ho ho ho! he had oto have the works!

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Teale
09-20-2000, 12:48 PM
I think Fonzie is a godless bigot for insulting the butler that way. Just because Fonzie feels inadequate is no reason to insult someone who is working for a living and as much a victim of a class structure as Fonzie himself. The bible says if someone asks for your coat you should give them your shirt as well so Fonzie should have given the butler his coat and his shirt.

The T
09-20-2000, 11:04 PM
DUH! He didn't know!!!! He thought he was serious! he wasnt raised with PERFEST ETOQUETTE so he wouldn't know that's what he said. DUH! Yeah your right though, it would have been really funny if he said "Yeah sure, and take my shirt while your at it" hehehe.

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DantesFire
09-21-2000, 06:36 AM
Actually even though the Fonz could beat the crap out of anyone, bed any woman and fix anything, he was still highly insecure. He had to wear his leather jacket everytime he went out.
He would constantly refer to himself as the Fonz.
He would everyday go and intiminate(sp) little punk high school kids.
His first reaction is to beat the crap out of
anyone who pisses him off, accidently or purposely.
He was very concerned about keeping his reputation.
He would make fun of anyone if he didn't like them or were different or if he thought their name was funny.
He was insecure of his own real name, that's why he called himself the Fonz.
Whoa get this guy a head shrinker.

The T
09-21-2000, 07:57 PM
Yes he did have a rather big head and maybe he was a little insecure but heck...the guys only human, and! He's "The Fonz"!

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Montgomery
02-18-2001, 03:07 AM
Bewitched is a very sexiest show. A product of the time it was in production. I guess if Samantha told Darrin to go get xxxxxx, there would have been no show. Thank goodness Endora was there to tell Derwood what an idiot he was. You could tell sometimes Samantha agreed. The relationship was more believable when Dick York was playing Darrin. It went south when Dick Sargent took over. My brilliant analisis. We all need to get a life huh?

Montgomery
07-21-2001, 10:39 AM
Bewitched is an extremely sexist show. Sam was to be submissive and do whatever old Darrin wanted. However, Sam always disobeyed and had a little chuckle at the manly man's exspense. Darrin was definatley sexist, but in a demure 60's way, Sam always gave him the bird!

hch
07-27-2001, 07:53 PM
Hold on Everyone!

I don't know why you think that Darrin is bigoted. Sure, he didn't want Samantha to use her powers but that doesn't make him a bigot. He just wanted her to be a great wife and mother and Samantha wanted that too. Samantha could have dealt with it better if her annoying mother and the crazy relatives weren't always hovering around.
Samantha represented a woman with the freedom to pick her life's path, highly rare considering the norm for 1950's and 1960's TV women. In that time period, women were often seen in the kitchen or cleaning up the house and wearing dresses, aprons, and pearls at all times. That was until the 1960s where TV wives came back as widows and career gals, wearing capri pants and have independence over their lives. TV was just fifty-something odd years inaccurate in portraying the American life, until women like Samantha, Ann Marie and Mary Tyler Moore came in.

cablejockey
12-29-2001, 09:05 PM
Its been said elsewhere that the witchcraft was a cover for civil rights by some or women's rights. Its true that in 50s and 60s tv, being different was the last thing anyone wanted to be seen as. Conformity seemed comfortable. Maybe thats why Sam seemed so threatening to Darrin; she was shaking things up too much. Its interesting that the 60s would end up shaking things for everyone.

60sSitcomFan
05-30-2002, 10:24 AM
I found the first comments made by the 2 'fistfighters' quite good, and the latter comments quite amusing.
In any case Darrin was not a bigot unless you want to call every male from the 1960's a bigot!! That's just the way things were in those days. If the show was zapped ahead by some 40 years, then of course, he'd be a bigot. Get over it folks...

~*Hannah_Lee*~
06-09-2002, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by Perderabo
Elizabeth Montgomery, Dick Sargent, Agnes Moorehead, and Paul Lynde all died from cancer. Dick York died from emphysema. David White died from a heart attack.

Most of the sitcom stars from the sixties are getting long in the tooth. There's going to be more of this happening over the next decade.

I always get a little weirded-out when I watch "My Favorite Martian". Who would have guessed that Ray Walston would be the last surviving cast member? And he's still going strong...

Paul Lynde was believed to have died from a heart problem due to extensive substance abuse, i believe.

MBFTfan
09-17-2002, 12:26 AM
I can understand how Bewitched could be seen as sexist because Darrin did constantly try to curb Samantha's powers, but these were not ordinary circumstances of a man trying to control his wife. Imagine what would have happened if it had gotten out that Sam was a witch. In fact I always thought it was the opposite of sexist because Sam had the power. At any given time she could have zapped Darrin into oblivion but she didn't because she loved him. She wanted to live a normal life and she liked being able to feel the accomplishment of doing things without witchcraft. No matter how much Darrin protested she never really gave up witchcraft because it was part of who she was and she often defended her family when she felt Darrin was unfair. She was the one who always had last minute solutions and saved him from endless work problems. She had the upper hand. I agree that her powers could be a symbol for any sort of straying from the status quo and Darrin's protests could represent the attempt to subvert that, but I also agree that sitcoms are there to make us laugh, not to be analyzed to an agonizing depth (although I have just done so:) ) Anyway the point is that Sam loved Darrin and the idea of the show was that she was there because she wanted to be, not because she felt she had to be. Darrin was just this goofy guy trying to get a grip on the things going on around him, while Sam had the real power.

Arfies
09-21-2002, 12:41 PM
Right on! :wave:

In fact, Susan J. Douglas, in her fantastic book Where the Girls Are , says that about the show and is completely right (It's become my favorite book. It's about the portrayal of women in the mass media.) Samantha WAS the smart one :)
And that's a book celebrated by the likes of Gloria Steinem. Even cooler. :cool:

MBFTfan
09-24-2002, 04:05 PM
Where The Girls Are, that sounds interesting, I'll have to read that book. Thanks for mentioning it!:)

Arfies
10-09-2002, 04:53 PM
You'll love it!!! :lol:

Novarro
10-09-2002, 07:13 PM
Three cheers to "senior member" for their comments.
I think alot of th ereviewers need to get over it.
Bewitched was indeed made in the 1960's but i think it gave a wonderful view of a loving couple. Samantha was far too intelligent to be anyones slave and Darren had far too much respect for her to even try it. So he wanted her to curb her witchcraft but think of th eamount of times he went out on a limb for her and to look after his family.

spunkygirl
09-24-2004, 04:43 PM
Wouldn't that make Tony Nelson on I Dream of Jeannie a bigot as well? He tried to curb Jeannie using her powers as well.

I don't think either are bigots, just scared of something they know nothing about, and don't understand all that well.

hoosierelvisfan
10-13-2004, 09:45 AM
This tread material is WAY TOO SERIOUS!!!!!! LOL! Darrin a bigot?????? LOL! It was a 1960's sitcom. That was the whole premise of the show (i.e., #1) that Sam was a witch; #2) living in a "mortal" world; #3) and the two "worlds" were constantly colliding.) That was the premise of the show right there. IMHO, being a bigot refers to a person's attitude towards another person. Thus, if this is true, how can Darrin be a "bigot" towards witches if he was the one that married a witch!?!?!? Obviously, if he was a "bigot" towards witches, he would not have married one. He merely wanted a "normal" life between the two of them. And Samantha obviously wanted this too because she was also attempting to have a "normal," "quiet" everyday life between the two of them. That's where the funniness of the show came in--i.e., that Samantha and Darrin were trying to live out a "normal" life and some supernatural person/event always came in to disrupt their quiet life. If anyone in the show was the "victim" of bigoted views, I would say just the opposite, actually: Darrin was the victim of bigoted witches/warlocks. How many times was Darrin turned into everything under the sun by Endora, Uncle Arthur, Maurice, etc, etc, etc, because he was "different", (i.e., mortal) from them????? Thus, IMHO, I think the case could be made much more strongly that Darrin was the victim of bigoted attitudes MUCH MORE than Samantha ever was.

Signed,
Respectfully,
Dutch

Sitcom Sally
11-25-2004, 02:57 PM
Bigot: "a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own".

Endora, on more than one occasion called Darrin either prejudiced or a bigot. And using the basic definition, one might argue that he was. But then, one might also argue that he, a mortal, married Samantha, a witch, which ultimately leads to the conclusion: So What?

Bewitched was, and is, a cleverly written, well acted sitcom. Darrin was not meanspirited in his thinking; he was just dealing with unfamiliar territory, and that was the jumping off point for everything that ensued in his and Samantha's lives.

I agree with those who say the original poster is overthinking this. The show had a unique premise which was somewhat bold for the times, considering that a sitcom centered around an actual interracial marriage would never have lasted in the '60s. I doubt that it would even today.

:wave:

jehobden
12-15-2004, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by Perderabo
Elizabeth Montgomery, Dick Sargent, Agnes Moorehead, and Paul Lynde all died from cancer. Dick York died from emphysema. David White died from a heart attack.

Most of the sitcom stars from the sixties are getting long in the tooth. There's going to be more of this happening over the next decade.

I always get a little weirded-out when I watch "My Favorite Martian". Who would have guessed that Ray Walston would be the last surviving cast member? And he's still going strong...

Actually, as someone pointed out in a later reply, Paul Lynde died of a heart attack, not cancer.

Ray Walston died January 1, 2001, oddly enough the first day of the 21st century. He lived to be 86 years old though, and he made his last appearance on Seventh Heaven, in an ep that aired after he died.

Screenwriter
01-05-2005, 12:04 AM
But if people behave sensibly in sitcoms, it won't be funny.


You're so wrong!!!!!

Here's some examples... All in the Family.

Barefoot in the Park is a real funny play written by Neil Simon. I find it to be very funny and the characters in the play are acting very sensibly.

As for DantesFire.... God tells us not to question his existence. I guess you're going to hell.

flagler
03-31-2005, 10:43 PM
I have to disagree that Archie Bunker was sensible or that anyone in Barefoot in the Park was sensible either, the main characters almost divorce each other because they can't get along.

Think about it though why didn't Samantha tell Darrin about her powers before they were married.

Although I have to say she was very mature and unforgiving about being a witch.

Darkhaven80
01-08-2006, 06:02 PM
I agree with perdarado (sorry if I got name wrong). Did you ever notice that ALL of the actors EVER on the show are DEAD!!>?!?!?!?!?! Kind of a coincidence huh? They died from freak accidents or rare diseases. there is something about the show that sems satanic. I still do like watching it though. It is an interesting show and something new always happens. Just the same though if you really go into the details alot of the spells and things they said were true in real life about the witch stuff. Sometimes the chantings or alot of just the sayings I ahve heard of in real life! They don't just come from an imaginary point of view. I think I even heard that they had a real witch on the set alot of the time or help with the scripts! I am not sure if that is true but I do beleive I heard that before!


I don't see anything mystical about it. Dick York had back problems before the show and eventually died of lung cancer I believe. Montgomery with intestinal cancer and Moorehead with ovarian cancer, all common unfortunately. :/

Bonsai
01-13-2006, 01:58 PM
Those of you who are talking about Bewitched within the framework of conservative fundamentalist Christianity are missing the point by a few thousand country miles. Referring to it as "satanic" simply because they use the words "witches" and "witchcraft" is ridiculous. The show never made any attempt whatsoever to place itself in a religious context and it should be plain to anyone who watches the show that none of the characters are "evil" or commited to any agenda that includes anything like rebelling against God. Is it an allegory for mixed marriage? sure, of course. Does it symbolically address bigotry and how people who are different have a harder time in our culture?---yep.

The main question posed by the series is "hey, wouldn't it be cool to have magic powers and wouldn't some entertaining things happen?" Getting on a theological high-horse about it is rather like saying that Bugs Bunny is a transvestite because he put on a dress to trick Elmer Fudd.

mego73#2
01-23-2006, 11:34 PM
The only reason why Darrin was successful in having Samantha curtail her witchcraft is BECASUE SHE AGREED TO.

People who know the show know of that episode called "A is for Arrdvark". The episode where Darrin made the decision to let Samantha produce everything for them with witchcraft.

Samantha wasn't happy about it and Darrin eventually wasn't happy about it.

It's clear that all is available to Samantha through her power. And her living through the life that Darrin has is an ultimate statement of love for him. She wants to be a part of his life, not the other way around. If she drew him into her life and the world of the witches, he'd cease to be the Darrin she fell in love with. She fell in love with his rugged individualist mindset and knew it was an inseperable part of the Darrin she loved. She knew that her life would destroy it.

Darrin is not a bigot, on the contrary, Endora and Maurice show some bigotry towards Darrin for not wanting to be around witchcraft.

In the early episodes, Darrin tried to be nice to Endora but Endora wasn't going to have any of it because she resented that Samantha was trying to go witchcraft free.

If Darrin was a bigot he would've divorsed Samantha for being a witch and if he didn't he would've hated Samantha's relatives at the outset because they were Witches and Warlocks.

Darrin is not comfortable with witchcraft itself. It is something he can't do, doesn't understand the ins and outs of and has no defense against. Darrin doesn't want Sam to do witchcraft and she agrees to it. Not because of a "you Tarzan, Me Jane" mentality but because she loves him and wants to be a nurturer to him. You can't be a nurturer by constantly displaying powers he can't fully understand or cope with.

So, she's doing this out of her own free will, nobody's oppressed, nobody's being hated for the simple reason of being who they are. Darrin couches no witchcraft in his rugged individualist "I don't want things given to my family I haven't earned" attitude. Samantha anchors it to her love of who Darrin is as a mortal and how constant exposure to witchcraft would ultimataly change him.

Sorry to get so philosophical about a 1960's sitcom. But this is how I look at Darrin and Samantha's relationship.

comedyfreak
01-24-2006, 08:40 AM
Well put Mego, couldn't have said it better myself. You summed it all up, it was her own free will.

tv star collector
01-24-2006, 08:57 AM
I agree. If anyone on the show displays signs of bigotry, it is Endora.

EmpressDR
12-22-2006, 01:08 AM
I read this thread about Darrin's bigotry, et.al. etc....
:singer:

When I first saw the show, I was in kindergarten, and very excited about magic, and wanted to do it, myself. I thought Darrin was a killjoy for not letting Samantha use magic. And guess what? I even preferred "the other Darrin" ( Dick Sargent ) at the time, because he was lower-key ( later I appreciated Dick York --he was QUITE a comedian! The phrase "perfect foil," used as contrast to Samantha rings true ). I was mad at Darrin, and decided I wouldn't marry any man like him.
YES: he's a hypocrite about when he approves of S using her powers. Yes, he is a bigot, and S called him on it, in a way.
To understand more about 1960s TV logic --the Twilight Zone, Star Trek and Outer Limits dealt with bigotry issues using a sci-fi theme to get the message through. IT'S OK THAT WE HAVE A THREAD ARGUING ABOUT IT NOW. A sitcom making people think and discuss is a good thing.
It's also about male/female issues husband/wife issues --if Samantha was a working wife, Darrin would say the same thing --"I don't want my wife to work....I have pride, we'll live off what we make" My dad was the same way, thinking it a sign of affluence and source of pride not having a working wife and kids. It's DUMB of course, but that was1960s-thinking from the generation growing up in the Depression. There were feminist issues, marital issues to be discussed. It made me think, when I was entering high school.

Later, I was annoyed with William Asher's idiot scripts which said stupid things like "People magic is more powerful than witch/genie magic"
which is the same old annoying **** that old time films did, when the wife has to lose her powers in the end ( I married a witch, Bell Book and Candle, etc. ) :barf:


Though Darrin's "I have pride, we'll live off what we make" now sounds better to me after having a bad boyfriend who sponged off me badly!
:bonk: :sarah:


Nowadays, I accept the series as a series, and like Dick York's comedic skills.
:cheer:


And I decided that it isn't worth getting married! I'd rather be single and having fun! :triplets

:alien1

Tap Dancer
04-25-2007, 12:09 PM
I usually like Darrin, but he does annoy me sometimes. If you love someone, you should accept them and not try to change them. I can understand him not wanting Sam to use witchcraft all the time, but I don't understand him never wanting her to use it...unless it was to get him out of a mess.

But then again, I like Ricky in "I Love Lucy" for the most part. He annoys me when he tells Lucy she can't be in show business. Things were different back then, but she's a grown woman who should be able to make her own decisions.

TV... :rolleyes:

Eric Paddon
05-12-2007, 11:03 AM
If there's any one on the show who *isn't* accepting it's Endora. The more I watch "Bewitched" the more I HATE this character who is the epitome of the word shrew in all its forms. How many times does Endora just decide to spitefully place a spell on Darrin that causes trouble because she's trying to "teach him a lesson" stemming from her own bigoted impulse of hate for the fact that he's mortal? Frequently! Then there are the times she keeps trying to scheme of ways to break up her daughter's marriage that make her even more contemptible, and what frustrates me is how Endora never once gets any real measure of comeuppance for her own misdeeds.

I keep watching Bewitched only beacuse I do some true comedic gold in a lot of episodes, but the character of Endora is IMO the show's chief albatross. This is not the fault of Agnes Moorehead, because she was told to play the character this way once the show became a hit and the show got locked into a formula, but IMO it was overdone to death way too much.

Bronson
05-27-2007, 08:33 PM
It is true Darrin did try and make nice with Endora and she was resistant very much like his own mother who I found very annoying. At least with Endora, she was enduring.

Anyway regarding Darrin, I found it hypocritical of him not to want Samantha to use magic except to help him out but then again it was usually her family who got him into some of the messes.

Overall, they loved each other.