When I was small around 4 or 5... (1989/1990) one of the local stations aired FOL on syndication I wasn't a fan of the show because I never gave it a chance! I will always skip it to watch Mr. Belvedere or something else.

But one time I decided not to change the channel. That day they aired the "Fast Food" episode!... and I thought it was hilarious :D


After the "Fast Food" episode I became hooked and never stopped being a FOL fan after that!

my first episode was like when they were airing that marathon on Nick @ nite...a couple of septembers ago...it was the first season one with the storm and i liked the show ever since...i 4get what the ep was called..some1 help me out

Originally posted by HeyEverybody!
my first episode was like when they were airing that marathon on Nick @ nite...a couple of septembers ago...it was the first season one with the storm and i liked the show ever since...i 4get what the ep was called..some1 help me out

That episode was called "Flash Flood."

Anyways, the first episode I saw was, "The Little Chill" when it was still on USA.

Originally posted by HeyEverybody!
my first episode was like when they were airing that marathon on Nick @ nite...a couple of septembers ago...it was the first season one with the storm and i liked the show ever since...i 4get what the ep was called..some1 help me out

Wow, that's the 1st FOL I saw. We were flipping channels & mom told me I might like FOL & I watched some of it & thought, "Gooood Gawd.." but I liked it after I watched cause it was just simple & there wasn't a big important message. I watched it when I was little, but I don't remember it.

Originally posted by HeyEverybody!
my first episode was like when they were airing that marathon on Nick @ nite...a couple of septembers ago...it was the first season one with the storm and i liked the show ever since...i 4get what the ep was called..some1 help me out

Exactly, My first episode was "Flash Flood" too, and I saw It on the Nick-at-Nite Marathon also, I really found it funny that Blair was "in love" with her headmaster. I also like Tootie, and her rollerskates!

The first episode I saw was "Dear Apple" back in 2001. My sister-in-law had her FOL tapes going while I was over there one day. All I can really remember about it is laughing my head off when Blair comes in all messed up from "Louie the Langley Lion". I must have laughed through the whole episode really. After that, I got hooked.

My first ep. was "Concentration." Awesome episode.

I don't know if it was my FIRST ep or not, but, I remember watching it on USA...I remember "Out of Peekskill"(bad ep to catch first since Mrs. G rules...)but, it's odd, cause, i remember being sad when she left, so, there musta been a few before it that I saw. I remember watching credits and trying to read the sign Jo holds up that says, "The Merry Wives of Windsor!" I would always be like, "What's that say?!" even after I knew what it said...haha...

"Out of the Fire" Part 1 was my first episode!

Rough Housing during the first FOL marathon on N@N. I was really confused though because I wa slike "Why is that blonde calling that other gilr a lesbian? What the hell?" So I watched more of it as thought it was OK, since there was nohting else better to watch at the time. THen when they went into season 2, I loved it! I liekd the idea that they wnet to jail and had to work in the cafeteria. That's what made me hooked.

It was the last day of Summer Vacation and I was bummed. It was 11:00 and I couldn't sleep so I turned on NAN. I think it was "Emily Dickenson". :wave:

I saw my first ep durring that first FOL marathon on N@N and it was Teenage Marrage part 2. My mom got me hooked on it wierd huh? She dosent even really like it.

I don't remember the episode. I don't have that good of a memory. But I think it was an episode from the second season I saw on USA Network.

I remember watching the Facts of Life on NBC. I don't remember the exact episode. Maybe I have seen it from the very beginning.

I my first ep I saw was during an FOL marathon on N@N I was at my g'mas and I was flipping through the channels in the play room and I was supposed to be babysitting my cousin. SO I decided to give FOL a shot. That ep was Take my Finals Please.. I think thats the title

Mine was 5 years ago when it was on USA, I don't remember the name of the episode but I know it was a season 5 or 6 because they had "Edna's Edibles"

I remember watching FOL on NBC when I was really little cause my mom watched FOL when it would come on Saturday Night at 8:30 I think.

The first one I remember is "Dear Apple" on NBC.

My first episode I watched was "Rough Housing" in it first aired in August 1979.

My first episode I watched was "Rough Housing" in it first aired in August 1979.

I probably also first saw some of the first season episodes in their original airings, but I was so young that I don't remember very much. My mom would have been watching Fantasy Island "on another network", so I must have only caught a few episodes.

What I do remember much better was watching "Flash Flood" during summer repeats; that episode made such a lasting impression on us that my sister bought a little pink raincoat that matched Tootie's in that episode. We loved those first season episodes, and soon we had a secret knock, requested a pet pig, and were rollerskating everywhere. :lol:

I probably also first saw some of the first season episodes in their original airings, but I was so young that I don't remember very much. My mom would have been watching Fantasy Island "on another network", so I must have only caught a few episodes.

What I do remember much better was watching "Flash Flood" during summer repeats; that episode made such a lasting impression on us that my sister bought a little pink raincoat that matched Tootie's in that episode. We loved those first season episodes, and soon we had a secret knock, requested a pet pig, and were rollerskating everywhere. :lol:

That 🐷 is mentioned again! :lol::lol:

You guys got me SO curious about this pig but I want to wait till it comes around again on Antenna TV to finally see it. For some bizarre reason every time this pig is mentioned, I picture Molly riding it lol. Don't ask me why, but that's the image I see whenever I see that first season pig being mentioned! :lol::lol:

my sister bought a little pink raincoat that matched Tootie's in that episode.

Red!

For 2 years you've been saying it was red!

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Red!

For 2 years you've been saying it was red!

:lookaroun

It was see-though, so it wasn't 100% red.

That 🐷 is mentioned again! :lol::lol:

You guys got me SO curious about this pig but I want to wait till it comes around again on Antenna TV to finally see it. For some bizarre reason every time this pig is mentioned, I picture Molly riding it lol. Don't ask me why, but that's the image I see whenever I see that first season pig being mentioned! :lol::lol:

The pig, the horse, the rabbits, the frog... it was a very agrarian first season.

The pig, the horse, the rabbits, the frog... it was a very agrarian first season.

So far I only seen Leon the frog, the horse I believe was from Flash Flood? The rabbits and pig I haven't seen yet and looking forward to their introduction.

BTW why were there stables on a girl's boarding school property?! Was riding horses a part of their HS curriculum?

So far I only seen Leon the frog, the horse I believe was from Flash Flood? The rabbits and pig I haven't seen yet and looking forward to their introduction.

BTW why were there stables on a girl's boarding school property?! Was riding horses a part of their HS curriculum?

Yes. But apparently gone the following season, as Jo had no memory of a horse in season 8.

Yes. But apparently gone the following season, as Jo had no memory of a horse in season 8.

What do you mean no memory of a horse in season 8? Were they reminiscing about Eastland and talking about horses? I'm only still on season 7 now.

Yes. But apparently gone the following season, as Jo had no memory of a horse in season 8.

Well, it's not that she had no memory of it, she just didn't understand how Roger turning up at the dorm door turned out to be a horse.

Well, it's not that she had no memory of it, she just didn't understand how Roger turning up at the dorm door turned out to be a horse.

Yeah, but she says "What was a horse doing...?"

What do you mean no memory of a horse in season 8? Were they reminiscing about Eastland and talking about horses? I'm only still on season 7 now.

It is the best Season 8 episode EVAR. No spoilers. But it's good.

Yeah, but she says "What was a horse doing...?"

Right, but maybe she assumed Chestnut was safely in the stable, so where the heck did a loose horse come from?

Possibly, lol.

Hey, you're one of the big fans of the episode, I'm tryin' to help ya here! lol

It is the best Season 8 episode EVAR. No spoilers. But it's good.

:nod:

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See? Lorimar agrees.

See? Lorimar agrees.

I sure do! 💯

That's because Lorimar is biased! :lol:

That's because Lorimar is biased! :lol:

HAHA! You love the lost girls just as much ;)

HAHA! You love the lost girls just as much ;)

I'm guessing it's the reunion episode when the Lost Girls come back. I know I saw that one during the decades marathon, but I don't remember too much of it.

From what I remember, the Lost Girls had big careers and were off doing their things in life, while the core four were still living over Mrs. Garrets shop in Peekskill....when you look at it in that perspective it's kind of sad for the core four in comparison.

I'm looking forward to seeing this a lot because since I don't know much about those Lost Girls, I can share from the same perspective as Jo when they all come barging in to visit.

Oh wow, I honestly don't remember but before my 'marathon' last year, I hadn't watched it in years and I had forgotten most of the episodes and only remembered bits and pieces. So based on that, the one I remembered most was the episode with Jermaine Jackson.

Oh wow, I honestly don't remember but before my 'marathon' last year, I hadn't watched it in years and I had forgotten most of the episodes and only remembered bits and pieces. So based on that, the one I remembered most was the episode with Jermaine Jackson.

Yeah, and I'm sure Kim was so thrilled to get to meet THE ̶M̶i̶c̶h̶a̶e̶l̶ Jermaine Jackson. :lol:

That Jermaine Jackson episode was a complete joke. They could at least gotten a more recognizable celebrity from the '80s like Prince.

That Jermaine Jackson episode was a complete joke. They could at least gotten a more recognizable celebrity from the '80s like Prince.

They actually even laugh about it, a bit, during the Reelz documentary. :lol: "Michael was unavailable... so... we... got Jermaine..."

That Jermaine Jackson episode was a complete joke. They could at least gotten a more recognizable celebrity from the '80s like Prince.

Prince was not an household name in fall of 1981. He exploded on the scene in 1982.

Prince was not an household name in fall of 1981. He exploded on the scene in 1982.

If I was a producer, I would have postponed this episode to a future season until a more recognizable star could have been on the show.

Otherwise, get someone else that was popular in 1981 like Rick Springfield or Bruce Springsteen that Tootie could fawn over. Although it would be kind of weird considering that these stars are much older than her. I can't think of any pop stars in 1981 that were around her own age (because this was well before my time).

The Jermaine Jackson obsession just wasn't believable!

If I was a producer, I would have postponed this episode to a future season until a more recognizable star could have been on the show.

Otherwise, get someone else that was popular in 1981 like Rick Springfield or Bruce Springsteen that Tootie could fawn over. Although it would be kind of weird considering that these stars are much older than her. I can't think of any pop stars in 1981 that were around her own age (because this was well before my time).

The Jermaine Jackson obsession just wasn't believable!

Jermaine Jackson did have some success during this time. He had a top 10 hit and several hits on the R & B projects. Rick Springfield was tied to ABC with General Hospital and Bruce Springsteen would never show up in a TV show.

Here are the top 100 songs from 1981. Surprising number of veterans from the 70s and 60s in it. Not many young artists (young meaning 21 and under) at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1981

If I was a producer, I would have postponed this episode to a future season until a more recognizable star could have been on the show.

Otherwise, get someone else that was popular in 1981 like Rick Springfield or Bruce Springsteen that Tootie could fawn over. Although it would be kind of weird considering that these stars are much older than her. I can't think of any pop stars in 1981 that were around her own age (because this was well before my time).

The Jermaine Jackson obsession just wasn't believable!

No indeed. Especially because in another episode, Tootie gushes about Michael, never once mentioning Jermaine. That'd be like Reba on Reba gushing about her undying love for Stella Parton!

That Jermaine Jackson episode was a complete joke. They could at least gotten a more recognizable celebrity from the '80s like Prince.


To be honest, i knew JERMAINE JACKSON way before PRINCE: after all, he was a 'JACKSON 5' and everyone knows who they are lol!:happyface:happyface:happyface

From what I remember, the Lost Girls had big careers and were off doing their things in life, while the core four were still living over Mrs. Garrets shop in Peekskill....when you look at it in that perspective it's kind of sad for the core four in comparison.

I don't know how big their careers are. Cindy skipped college to be a model. Modeling won't last forever as you get older. Sue Ann is a gofer in her job who was so pathetic that she had to lie about being a big shot. Nancy ended up pregnant which put her career plans on hold. Compared to Blair, Jo, and Tootie who are in college finishing their degrees, it's not that sad. They're in better shape than the lost girls. I would also say Natalie is in better shape than them, well at least Sue Ann anyways. Sue Ann was so embarrassed that she couldn't accept what her life was at that point. Natalie is at least happy with her life and isn't ashamed to tell someone what she does. Sue Ann needed more life lessons like the core four who stayed with Mrs. Garrett.

The reunion episode is ok but there are WAY more episodes that are better than that one in season 8.

I don't know how big their careers are. Cindy skipped college to be a model. Modeling won't last forever as you get older. Sue Ann is a gofer in her job who was so pathetic that she had to lie about being a big shot. Nancy ended up pregnant which put her career plans on hold. Compared to Blair, Jo, and Tootie who are in college finishing their degrees, it's not that sad. They're in better shape than the lost girls. I would also say Natalie is in better shape than them, well at least Sue Ann anyways. Sue Ann was so embarrassed that she couldn't accept what her life was at that point. Natalie is at least happy with her life and isn't ashamed to tell someone what she does. Sue Ann needed more life lessons like the core four who stayed with Mrs. Garrett.

The reunion episode is ok but there are WAY more episodes that are better than that one in season 8.


I totally agree with you Christopher: the reunion episode 'The little chill' wasn't that great and in my eyes it lacked depth! And besides, why didn't they include JO to their group? After all, she had been an 'Eastland' student at the same time as them (except during season 1):eek::eek::eek:

And yes: SUE ANN could have used some 'Facts of life' lessons from MRS G, but the feisty red haired was no longer there....;););)

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I totally agree with you Christopher: the reunion episode 'The little chill' wasn't that great and in my eyes it lacked depth! And besides, why didn't they include JO to their group? After all, she had been an 'Eastland' student at the same time as them (except during season 1):eek::eek::eek:

And yes: SUE ANN could have used some 'Facts of life' lessons from MRS G, but the feisty red haired was no longer there....;););)

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The feisty red head mother's said her daughter was busy, busy, busy, but would not tell her former housemates with what. Interpret that as you see fit.

The Little Chill could have been a lot more. At least give us the story line on how Cindy transformed from a tomboy to a super model.

I don't know how big their careers are. Cindy skipped college to be a model. Modeling won't last forever as you get older. Sue Ann is a gofer in her job who was so pathetic that she had to lie about being a big shot. Nancy ended up pregnant which put her career plans on hold. Compared to Blair, Jo, and Tootie who are in college finishing their degrees, it's not that sad. They're in better shape than the lost girls. I would also say Natalie is in better shape than them, well at least Sue Ann anyways. Sue Ann was so embarrassed that she couldn't accept what her life was at that point. Natalie is at least happy with her life and isn't ashamed to tell someone what she does. Sue Ann needed more life lessons like the core four who stayed with Mrs. Garrett.

The reunion episode is ok but there are WAY more episodes that are better than that one in season 8.

We know Blair was a failure as a lawyer and at Eastland. In reality, parents don't spend big bucks to send their kids to a school like Eastland and have the results with the careers the Core Four had (except for Tootie). No wonder Eastland closed.

I don't know how big their careers are. Cindy skipped college to be a model. Modeling won't last forever as you get older. Sue Ann is a gofer in her job who was so pathetic that she had to lie about being a big shot. Nancy ended up pregnant which put her career plans on hold. Compared to Blair, Jo, and Tootie who are in college finishing their degrees, it's not that sad. They're in better shape than the lost girls. I would also say Natalie is in better shape than them, well at least Sue Ann anyways. Sue Ann was so embarrassed that she couldn't accept what her life was at that point. Natalie is at least happy with her life and isn't ashamed to tell someone what she does. Sue Ann needed more life lessons like the core four who stayed with Mrs. Garrett.

I really dislike how they wrote Sue Ann in this episode. To me it's not "good ol' Sue Ann" the farm girl. She's living a double life throughout the episode and remains "guarded" around her best friends, and I don't like that feeling of her staying "guarded" with her lying walls up. She's just not herself. I just want a fun reunion where everyone is themselves.


The reunion episode is ok but there are WAY more episodes that are better than that one in season 8.

I wonder if this was the highest-rated episode though? I didn't know there was a "spike in the ratings" the week of this episode until they mentioned it on the new Reelz documentary. I wonder if Mrs. Garrett's wedding rated higher, or maybe the season finale (which I wish were the series finale---to me, it is).

The feisty red head mother's said her daughter was busy, busy, busy, but would not tell her former housemates with what. Interpret that as you see fit.

It's not that Mrs. Parker "would not tell" them as to refuse information. The exact quote is, "She didn't say." She just didn't volunteer anything.


The Little Chill could have been a lot more. At least give us the story line on how Cindy transformed from a tomboy to a super model.

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The feisty red head mother's said her daughter was busy, busy, busy, but would not tell her former housemates with what. Interpret that as you see fit.

Valentina is talking about Mrs. G, while you're referring to Molly. :lol:


The Little Chill could have been a lot more. At least give us the story line on how Cindy transformed from a tomboy to a super model.

Oh, no. The nostalgia factor I get from "The Little Chill" makes the five-year wait worth it. We not only get updates and a flashback, the whole episode revolves around Sue Ann's lie. I love that. What a great way of honoring the Lost Girls, and particularly Sue Ann, who was so central to Season 1.

I thought it was realistic, the way they handled the reunion: the Lost Girls were just starting out their careers, and weren't any more or less successful than the Core Four. But Sue Ann felt the need to lie in order to maintain her status as an achiever in "the group", which was the same behavior she exhibited in "Dope", eight years earlier: she hid what she did from Mrs. Garrett, while trying to look like a hotshot in front of other young ladies. It felt like a real full-circle moment. Very true to Sue Ann as a character.

I wish it had been a two-parter so we could have explored Nancy and Cindy's storylines in greater detail, but I felt like this was such a nice conclusion to the Lost Girls' storylines, which had trailed off after season three.

the whole episode revolves around Sue Ann's lie. I love that.

Well I wouldn't say that. But it is does gain momentum in the third act.


But Sue Ann felt the need to lie in order to maintain her status as an achiever in "the group", which was the same behavior she exhibited in "Dope", eight years earlier: she hid what she did from Mrs. Garrett, while trying to look like a hotshot in front of other young ladies. It felt like a real full-circle moment. Very true to Sue Ann as a character.

But she only hid something from Mrs. Garrett, something all kids do with their guardians. This time she had her guard up lying to everyone; I don't like it.


I wish it had been a two-parter so we could have explored Nancy and Cindy's storylines in greater detail, but I felt like this was such a nice conclusion to the Lost Girls' storylines, which had trailed off after season three.

AND we learn a new detail about Molly---the girls once short-sheeted her bed! And apparently she had quite a reaction! :lol:

But she only hid something from Mrs. Garrett, something all kids do with their guardians.

They were hiding their secret from everyone, not just Mrs. Garrett. Otherwise, why the need for a secret knock? Why the need to tell Tootie a bong burns jellybeans? Why the need for the fake lipstick container? Why the need for secrecy when Sue Ann says "MARI...juana" so loudly?

No, if other girls had found out, knowing how gossipy Tootie, Cindy, and even Natalie are, they would have been expelled. that's why "the group" was so secretive. It wasn't just Mrs. Garrett they were keeping secrets from, but Mr. Bradley, Tootie, and anyone else who could have blown their cover.


AND we learn a new detail about Molly---the girls once short-sheeted her bed! And apparently she had quite a reaction! :lol:

I must have missed that in the syndicated episodes. Something to look forward to, then, in the full version!

What I liked is that we get flashbacks to Molly, and we get a brief update on her, as well.

They were hiding their secret from everyone, not just Mrs. Garrett. Otherwise, why the need for a secret knock? Why the need to tell Tootie a bong burns jellybeans? Why the need for the fake lipstick container? Why the need for secrecy when Sue Ann says "MARI...juana" so loudly?

No, if other girls had found out, they would have been expelled. that's why "the group" was so secretive. It wasn't just Mrs. Garrett they were keeping secrets from, but Mr. Bradley, Tootie, and anyone else who could have blown their cover.

True, but my point is they're teens. That's normal. TLC is completely different circumstances, and it doesn't "feel right" to me.

I totally agree with you Christopher: the reunion episode 'The little chill' wasn't that great and in my eyes it lacked depth! And besides, why didn't they include JO to their group? After all, she had been an 'Eastland' student at the same time as them (except during season 1):eek::eek::eek:

And yes: SUE ANN could have used some 'Facts of life' lessons from MRS G, but the feisty red haired was no longer there....;););)

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No way, TLC was a fantastic episode. Everyone got a moment and we got to see how the lost girls grew up. Sue Ann is just at the starting point in her career, she will easily climb the corporate ladder with her smarts.

We know Blair was a failure as a lawyer and at Eastland. In reality, parents don't spend big bucks to send their kids to a school like Eastland and have the results with the careers the Core Four had (except for Tootie). No wonder Eastland closed.


I think you're been a bit harsh on calling BLAIR a 'failure', when it's been proved she was a dedicated law student and showed great loyalty by preventing the closure of 'Eastland'.:mad:

What happens in the later years is another thing, but for all we know from the 'REUNION 2001', BLAIR owns then a hotel branch and helps a foster children school, so i won't call her a 'failure'.:talk:

As for the 3 other girls, they all succeeded well in their future too, so if 'Eastland' eventually closed it's not due to them...:p

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No way, TLC was a fantastic episode. Everyone got a moment and we got to see how the lost girls grew up. Sue Ann is just at the starting point in her career, she will easily climb the corporate ladder with her smarts.

Yes, it will just take time. Given a few years, she'll make it on her own. (The world is awfully big, and this time she's allllll alone). :lol:

True, but my point is they're teens. That's normal. TLC is completely different circumstances, and it doesn't "feel right" to me.

Sue Ann is what, 22? Not that much older than a teen.

Sue Ann is what, 22? Not that much older than a teen.

Agreed. Of course she doesn’t wanna seem like a failure when in reality she’s fresh out of college getting her foot in the door. Pretty impossible to be a big corporate executive when just starting out. No doubt that Sue Ann quickly got a real position as they realized how smart she is.

Sue Ann is what, 22? Not that much older than a teen.


I agree: someone in their early 20 s is still a teenager in my eyes, so SUE ANN could have still used some 'Facts of life' lessons:wave::wave::wave:

Agreed. Of course she doesn’t wanna seem like a failure when in reality she’s fresh out of college getting her foot in the door. Pretty impossible to be a big corporate executive when just starting out. No doubt that Sue Ann quickly got a real position as they realized how smart she is.

I do suspect Sue Ann made it. She came from Kansas City, Kansas, spent all those years at Eastland (and it was a lot of years at Eastland, considering Season 1 was at least her third year at Eastland, and she was there for at least two more years), graduated early, and then landed a job at a big corporation. Sure, it was just as a gofer, but I bet Sue Ann would have worked her way up the ranks, as she had a lot of persistence. She certainly knew how to dress like an executive, picking up her clothes at Bergdorf's. :snob:

I agree: someone in their early 20 s is still a teenager in my eyes, so SUE ANN could have still used some 'Facts of life' lessons:wave::wave::wave:

Yep. And it's not as though the Core Four were immune to lies, at that age: they certainly still told both white lies and whoppers throughout seasons 8 and 9. The idea that Sue Ann should somehow be immune to telling lies, when Jo, in the very next episode, tampers with computer results, is so foreign to me. The girls are going to make mistakes, whether it's the Core Four or the Lost Girls; whether they're 12, 16, or 22. And it's up to Mrs. Garrett to straighten... wait... she left the show?! Oh, hell...!

Yep. And it's not as though the Core Four were immune to lies, at that age: they certainly still told both white lies and whoppers throughout seasons 8 and 9. The idea that Sue Ann should somehow be immune to telling lies, when Jo, in the very next episode, tampers with computer results, is so foreign to me. The girls are going to make mistakes, whether it's the Core Four or the Lost Girls; whether they're 12, 16, or 22. And it's up to Mrs. Garrett to straighten... wait... she left the show?! Oh, hell...!


Yep: MRS G had left the show by then, and i hardly think BEVERLY ANN had the authority the 'feisty red haired' had (meaning MRS G and not MOLLY in case some of you have doubts):lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sue Ann is what, 22? Not that much older than a teen.

Teeny drugs are different than a career.

You always watch this episode through such Sue Ann-colored glasses. :lol:

And it's not as though the Core Four were immune to lies, at that age: they certainly still told both white lies and whoppers throughout seasons 8 and 9. The idea that Sue Ann should somehow be immune to telling lies, when Jo, in the very next episode, tampers with computer results, is so foreign to me.

The idea is this is Sue Ann's only appearance in the later years. Had she been a regular it would be different. But here she is in a one-time reunion with her close friends, her best friends, and it's a shame she couldn't be just "Sue Ann". She was guarded all throughout it, and you could tell, and it's a shame she wasn't freely in the moment with the others for the reunion (I know you'll say she was in the bedroom, but she still had her guard up sometimes even there).

Sure, it was just as a gofer, but I bet Sue Ann would have worked her way up the ranks, as she had a lot of persistence.

Well, she had determination, but we don't know she had persistence.


No doubt that Sue Ann quickly got a real position as they realized how smart she is.

You never know. Don't you guys know smart achievers who "peaked" in school and didn't become impressively successful in life? It happens.

The idea is it's just a shame she couldn't be just "Sue Ann". She was guarded, and you could tell, and it's a shame she wasn't freely in the moment with the others for the reunion (I know you'll say she was in the bedroom, but she still had her guard up sometimes even there).

I don't disagree that Sue Ann kept her guard up during The Little Chill. She definitely did. She was maintaining the façade of being a successful businesswoman in the corporate world.

I don't doubt Sue Ann didn't want to hear Blair talk about how brilliant Blair was (going to law school, winning awards, being a businesswoman, and of course being fabulously wealthy and brilliant) and then... for Sue Ann to have to admit she was just a gofer at her company.

Sue Ann and Blair were always frenemies: they had a friendly competition between one another. We see it in "The Facts of Love", we see it in "Dieting", we see it in "Dope". We also see that Sue Ann is the one the girls go to for homework help in "IQ". We even see Sue Ann roll her eyes at Blair's idea of a 'news story' in "Front Page". Sue Ann knows that's not a news story! Sue Ann, a scholarship student, has to keep her grades up to keep attending Eastland. Blair doesn't have that problem: her daddy can just spend money to dedicate another expansion to the Warner-Eastland Athletic Field, or another wing to the Warner-Eastland Cotillion Center and Hot Dog Stand. She can compete with Blair as much as she wants, but Blair (or Blair's money) is always going to win: it's a "fact of life".

Years later, Sue Ann just does what a lot of people, even Beverly Ann, do at reunions: she gives in to the temptation to try to impress her old classmates. She knows it's wrong, but she can't help herself. She's competitive, as we saw in "Running": as soon as someone else breaks her record, she's back in, trying to top the competition. She almost lost a friendship (even a best friendship) because of her competitive nature, and her willingness to push others out when she sees they're ahead. Luckily, Mrs. Garrett snaps her out of that competitive streak by dramatically ripping it in half, but even that wasn't guaranteed to get results. Even though Sue Ann does come to her senses, her competitive nature had quite a strong grip on her. In fact, this was one reason Sue Ann was such an effective foil for Blair: she could easily be coerced, either by herself or others, to impress groups through her competitive nature.

This is a character flaw we see time and time again with Sue Ann, whether it's the first season, second, third, or eighth. It's deeply woven into Miss Weaver; it's part of her personality: sure, she's usually a positive person, but when she worries about things like fitting in (boyfriends or exclusive groups), she sometimes makes bad decisions, including lying about what she's eaten, or concealing what she has smoked: not just to Mrs. Garrett, but to everyone at Eastland.

Sue Ann is a fighter, and she'd determined, but she has made, and will continue to make, mistakes when it comes to competitiveness. I don't doubt for a second that she wants to outdo Blair. She just can't do that by telling them she's a gofer.

We even see Sue Ann's competitive nature, to some extent, when she's mean to Natalie in "Sex Symbol": here she is, sitting at a table with her now-two closest friends (since Blair has been semi-permanently exiled to the kitchens), and we see her judging Natalie, and putting her down. Had she still been in the same dorm with Natalie, I don't think that would have happened. But because Sue Ann's clique has now contracted, she gets a little catty.

It's not that Sue Ann doesn't know the difference between right and wrong: she clearly does, and her parents obviously gave her a strong moral foundation; it's that she sometimes still has to be reminded. In The Little Chill, it's Jo who reminds her of her morals. But Sue Ann has needed that nudge on many occasions: when she decides not to smoke pot; when she decides losing weight isn't worth risking her health; when she admits to Eastland staff that Blair went out in the flood, after lying about it; when she realizes a 5-minute long competition isn't worth losing a friendship.

No, The Little Chill is classic Sue Ann.

Well, she had determination, but we don't know she had persistence.

Sue Ann was a scholarship student who attended Eastland, a prestigious girls' school, for at least five years, possibly more. I'd say that's persistence; you would not? Sure, she almost gave up, once, but we're otherwise shown a girl who toughs things out.

Sue Ann won the 880 track competition in the 1977-1978 and 1978-1979 track years. I'd also call that persistence, and I don't know why you would not. Wikipedia says the 880 "combines aerobic endurance with anaerobic conditioning and sprint speed. Both the aerobic and anaerobic systems are being taxed to a high extent, thus the 800-metre athlete is required to combine training between both systems." So here is Sue Ann, winning these competitions, and even trying out for a third time. Seems like persistence.


You never know. Don't you guys know smart achievers who "peaked" in school and didn't become impressively successful in life? It happens.

I just don't buy that. Brenda, sure. Margo, absolutely. Margo was obviously wealthy, judging by her comments about her mother's party. Margo wouldn't have had to maintain her grades due to a scholarship; nothing could have sent her packing back to Fargo. But Sue Ann was a scholarship student. Without good grades, she couldn't have continued at Eastland. She would have had to return to Kansas city, Kansas, and likely wouldn't have been able to land a job in New York City, let alone pay for that "number from Bergdorf's". (And it's possible that Sue Ann lied about the outfit being from Bergdorf's, but wouldn't Blair have spotted a knock-off?).

Well, it does happen. But even if she weren't a "big success" doesn't mean she'd have to end up back at Miller's Pond selling lemonade (:lol:). She could have landed a "middle class" job in something.

But regarding determination/persistence, I read that as you talking about her in that episode only.

I totally agree with you Christopher: the reunion episode 'The little chill' wasn't that great and in my eyes it lacked depth! And besides, why didn't they include JO to their group? After all, she had been an 'Eastland' student at the same time as them (except during season 1):eek::eek::eek:

I think it's funny that an episode that should be about the lost girls is about Jo instead. The main focus of The Little Chill is how Jo doesn't fit in with the lost girls. Even in their reunion episode, they need Jo to be the focus to get people to watch it :lol:

We know Blair was a failure as a lawyer and at Eastland. In reality, parents don't spend big bucks to send their kids to a school like Eastland and have the results with the careers the Core Four had (except for Tootie). No wonder Eastland closed.

I see nothing wrong with the careers the core four did. Natalie is a reporter, Tootie became an actress and talk show host, we don't know if Blair failed as a lawyer because she changed gears to run a hotel, and Jo continued on her path of helping others. At least they didn't lie about what they were doing unlike Sue Ann.


I really dislike how they wrote Sue Ann in this episode. To me it's not "good ol' Sue Ann" the farm girl. She's living a double life throughout the episode and remains "guarded" around her best friends, and I don't like that feeling of her staying "guarded" with her lying walls up. She's just not herself. I just want a fun reunion where everyone is themselves.

I wonder if this was the highest-rated episode though? I didn't know there was a "spike in the ratings" the week of this episode until they mentioned it on the new Reelz documentary. I wonder if Mrs. Garrett's wedding rated higher, or maybe the season finale (which I wish were the series finale---to me, it is).

For people Sue Ann claims are her friends, she did nothing but lie to them. Obviously they weren't that close since she didn't think they could handle the truth of her as a gofer.

We know The Facts of Life Down Under was a ratings success (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Facts_of_Life_Down_Under) the 1987 year. It had approx. 30 million viewers. Did they say how many people watched The Little Chill? I wouldn't be surprise if they just said that to please the lost girls since they were the only ones who participated in that documentary :lol: If it was a ratings spike, it was only because viewers were curious how Jo and them would interact. In reality Jo did do a better job than the lost girls at keeping people watching. Many fans consider her introduction the true start of The Facts of Life because her seasons are the ones most fans care about seeing.

I think it's funny that an episode that should be about the lost girls is about Jo instead. The main focus of The Little Chill is how Jo doesn't fit in with the lost girls. Even in their reunion episode, they need Jo to be the focus to get people to watch it :lol:

I just saw it again last week, and I don't see it that way. Jo is kind of like an afterthought in the first part of the show. The focus is on the other three reuniting with the "other other three", lol. What's funny though is how they use Jo to slam down Sue Ann a couple of times----Sue Ann: "I did this" Jo: "Wow, how'd they let YOU do that??" Sue Ann: "I did this" Jo: "Wow, how'd they let YOU do that??" lol


For people Sue Ann claims are her friends, she did nothing but lie to them. Obviously they weren't that close since she didn't think they could handle the truth of her as a gofer.

Apparently she couldn't handle it herself.


We know The Facts of Life Down Under was a ratings success (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Facts_of_Life_Down_Under) the 1987 year. It had approx. 30 million viewers. Did they say how many people watched The Little Chill?

No, they didn't say. Although I just looked up FOLDU and that aired on a Sunday night, as a special "movie event". So discounting that, it would be interesting to see what regular episodes ranked highest from its regular time slot for season 8 (particularly since Charlotte was in the premiere and then was gone).


I wouldn't be surprise if they just said that to please the lost girls since they were the only ones who participated in that documentary :lol:

Well, I really doubt they would just lie about it. Surely there was something noticeable, I would hope, since they said it. You bring up an interesting point on the Core Four though; I assumed they were not asked to take part in this. I figured the producers wanted a look at the show talking more to those who haven't been interviewed as much. I don't know if the core were asked or were even considered. :confused:


If it was a ratings spike, it was only because viewers were curious how Jo and them would interact.

Maybe partly, but it is important to remember fans of the show were seeing the Lost Girls every year in syndication, perhaps sometimes catching season 1 more than once a year, who knows. So part of the interest could very well have been "Hey, let's see how they turned out". Since they mentioned a ratings spike, I would be curious to know if they even promoted the episode, or was any such spike just from word of mouth from the TV Guide blurb for that week?


In reality Jo did do a better job than the lost girls at keeping people watching. Many fans consider her introduction the true start of The Facts of Life because her seasons are the ones most fans care about seeing.

Yup, "true 'dat".

I don't disagree that Sue Ann kept her guard up during The Little Chill. She definitely did. She was maintaining the façade of being a successful businesswoman in the corporate world.

I don't doubt Sue Ann didn't want to hear Blair talk about how brilliant Blair was (going to law school, winning awards, being a businesswoman, and of course being fabulously wealthy and brilliant) and then... for Sue Ann to have to admit she was just a gofer at her company.

Sue Ann and Blair were always frenemies: they had a friendly competition between one another. We see it in "The Facts of Love", we see it in "Dieting", we see it in "Dope". We also see that Sue Ann is the one the girls go to for homework help in "IQ". We even see Sue Ann roll her eyes at Blair's idea of a 'news story' in "Front Page". Sue Ann knows that's not a news story! Sue Ann, a scholarship student, has to keep her grades up to keep attending Eastland. Blair doesn't have that problem: her daddy can just spend money to dedicate another expansion to the Warner-Eastland Athletic Field, or another wing to the Warner-Eastland Cotillion Center and Hot Dog Stand. She can compete with Blair as much as she wants, but Blair (or Blair's money) is always going to win: it's a "fact of life".

Years later, Sue Ann just does what a lot of people, even Beverly Ann, do at reunions: she gives in to the temptation to try to impress her old classmates. She knows it's wrong, but she can't help herself. She's competitive, as we saw in "Running": as soon as someone else breaks her record, she's back in, trying to top the competition. She almost lost a friendship (even a best friendship) because of her competitive nature, and her willingness to push others out when she sees they're ahead. Luckily, Mrs. Garrett snaps her out of that competitive streak by dramatically ripping it in half, but even that wasn't guaranteed to get results. Even though Sue Ann does come to her senses, her competitive nature had quite a strong grip on her. In fact, this was one reason Sue Ann was such an effective foil for Blair: she could easily be coerced, either by herself or others, to impress groups through her competitive nature.

This is a character flaw we see time and time again with Sue Ann, whether it's the first season, second, third, or eighth. It's deeply woven into Miss Weaver; it's part of her personality: sure, she's usually a positive person, but when she worries about things like fitting in (boyfriends or exclusive groups), she sometimes makes bad decisions, including lying about what she's eaten, or concealing what she has smoked: not just to Mrs. Garrett, but to everyone at Eastland.

Sue Ann is a fighter, and she'd determined, but she has made, and will continue to make, mistakes when it comes to competitiveness. I don't doubt for a second that she wants to outdo Blair. She just can't do that by telling them she's a gofer.

We even see Sue Ann's competitive nature, to some extent, when she's mean to Natalie in "Sex Symbol": here she is, sitting at a table with her now-two closest friends (since Blair has been semi-permanently exiled to the kitchens), and we see her judging Natalie, and putting her down. Had she still been in the same dorm with Natalie, I don't think that would have happened. But because Sue Ann's clique has now contracted, she gets a little catty.

It's not that Sue Ann doesn't know the difference between right and wrong: she clearly does, and her parents obviously gave her a strong moral foundation; it's that she sometimes still has to be reminded. In The Little Chill, it's Jo who reminds her of her morals. But Sue Ann has needed that nudge on many occasions: when she decides not to smoke pot; when she decides losing weight isn't worth risking her health; when she admits to Eastland staff that Blair went out in the flood, after lying about it; when she realizes a 5-minute long competition isn't worth losing a friendship.

No, The Little Chill is classic Sue Ann.


Wow retro i can see that SUE ANN is your favourite! (you're as passionate about her character as i am of BLAIR lol):happyface:happyface:happyface

I just saw it again last week, and I don't see it that way. Jo is kind of like an afterthought in the first part of the show. The focus is on the other three reuniting with the "other other three", lol. What's funny though is how they use Jo to slam down Sue Ann a couple of times----Sue Ann: "I did this" Jo: "Wow, how'd they let YOU do that??" Sue Ann: "I did this" Jo: "Wow, how'd they let YOU do that??" lol


That's our Jo. Slamming down the liars :bash:


No, they didn't say. Although I just looked up FOLDU and that aired on a Sunday night, as a special "movie event". So discounting that, it would be interesting to see what regular episodes ranked highest from its regular time slot for season 8 (particularly since Charlotte was in the premiere and then was gone).

Regardless of what night it aired, it is still part of The Facts of Life's season 8 production. Ratings were doing really well since NBC wanted to keep the show going. If they had season 1 ratings, NBC wouldn't have wanted them back.


Well, I really doubt they would just lie about it. Surely there was something noticeable, I would hope, since they said it. You bring up an interesting point on the Core Four though; I assumed they were not asked to take part in this. I figured the producers wanted a look at the show talking more to those who haven't been interviewed as much. I don't know if the core were asked or were even considered. :confused:

That documentary wanted dirt and since there's no real dirt after the lost girls were fired, they figured lets spend the time on them and let them tell all these "secrets" no matter how false most of them are. Julie lying about how it wasn't in the script to put Lisa's face in the rice pudding shows she isn't credible with her stories. I think they should just be glad they were on a show that entertain many millions of viewers in all generations.


Maybe partly, but it is important to remember fans of the show were seeing the Lost Girls every year in syndication, perhaps sometimes catching season 1 more than once a year, who knows. So part of the interest could very well have been "Hey, let's see how they turned out". Since they mentioned a ratings spike, I would be curious to know if they even promoted the episode, or was any such spike just from word of mouth from the TV Guide blurb for that week?

I'm sure there was a promo for it. It would be awesome if the voice over said "watch Jo take down a two face lying Sue Ann" :bash: :lol:

Regardless of what night it aired, it is still part of The Facts of Life's season 8 production. Ratings were doing really well since NBC wanted to keep the show going. If they had season 1 ratings, NBC wouldn't have wanted them back.

I know, I was just saying I'd be curious to see what ratings were like for the highest-rated regular episodes of its time slot for that season, since the movie was a special deal and wasn't part of that regular time slot (or even the same night).


That documentary wanted dirt and since there's no real dirt after the lost girls were fired, they figured lets spend the time on them and let them tell all these "secrets" no matter how false most of them are. Julie lying about how it wasn't in the script to put Lisa's face in the rice pudding shows she isn't credible with her stories. I think they should just be glad they were on a show that entertain many millions of viewers in all generations.

Mostly false? Julie lying? :eek: I'm surprised you'd think that. Older stars get facts wrong about things that happened decades ago. I've seen that on "Carol Burnett Show" interviews; they weren't lying, they just didn't get it straight.

Mostly false? Julie lying? :eek: I'm surprised you'd think that. Older stars get facts wrong about things that happened decades ago. I've seen that on "Carol Burnett Show" interviews; they weren't lying, they just didn't get it straight.

It was 40 years ago, of course they get "facts" mixed up. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't tell Lisa about the scene to get a genuine reaction.

All the girls have lied on the show. Sue Ann gave her POV on why she wanted to put on this charade and Jo was willing to let her continue it so obviously they formed a little bond there. I'm sure their chars would've gotten along if they were in more scenes together, they have a lot in common like being scholarship students, extremely smart, into journalism, into mocking Blair, etc. :lol:

It was 40 years ago, of course they get "facts" mixed up. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't tell Lisa about the scene to get a genuine reaction.

But if Lisa had the script (which she had to, lol) you'd assume she had to know---UNLESS maybe the director told her they cut it, and told Julie to do it. That's a possibility.

Lisa herself has gotten a couple of things wrong in interviews too. You just take it all for what it's worth! lol

But if Lisa had the script (which she had to, lol) you'd assume she had to know---UNLESS maybe the director told her they cut it, and told Julie to do it. That's a possibility.

Lisa herself has gotten a couple of things wrong in interviews too. You just take it all for what it's worth! lol

I could see them not giving her the end of the script or something in order to keep her from knowing.

That's our Jo. Slamming down the liars :bash:




Regardless of what night it aired, it is still part of The Facts of Life's season 8 production. Ratings were doing really well since NBC wanted to keep the show going. If they had season 1 ratings, NBC wouldn't have wanted them back.




That documentary wanted dirt and since there's no real dirt after the lost girls were fired, they figured lets spend the time on them and let them tell all these "secrets" no matter how false most of them are. Julie lying about how it wasn't in the script to put Lisa's face in the rice pudding shows she isn't credible with her stories. I think they should just be glad they were on a show that entertain many millions of viewers in all generations.




I'm sure there was a promo for it. It would be awesome if the voice over said "watch Jo take down a two face lying Sue Ann" :bash: :lol:

There was dirt after the first season. Charlotte said that there was incidents of jealousy in the Nancy McKeon Biography, but she didn't go into details and she took the secrets to her grave. The new documentary focused on the first season because the Core Four have had nothing new to say in years.

There was dirt after the first season. Charlotte said that there was incidents of jealousy in the Nancy McKeon Biography, but she didn't go into details and she took the secrets to her grave. The new documentary focused on the first season because the Core Four have had nothing new to say in years.

Yep, its about time we got to hear from some of the side chars! Not just the s1 cast but Gerri Jewel and Mackenzie Astin.

There was dirt after the first season. Charlotte said that there was incidents of jealousy in the Nancy McKeon Biography, but she didn't go into details and she took the secrets to her grave. The new documentary focused on the first season because the Core Four have had nothing new to say in years.

Yep, its about time we got to hear from some of the side chars! Not just the s1 cast but Gerri Jewel and Mackenzie Astin.


I guess my version of dirt is a lot different than your guys. When I think of drama behind the scenes I think of the catfights. Desperate Housewives is the best example of this. Nicollette Sheridan accused the creator of hitting her, only 3 of their core 4 actresses like each other in real life, and the rumors of actresses getting bullied by another actress. There's a lot of dirt from that show and when I compare it to The Facts of Life, the actresses didn't have this. They genuinely like each other. They continued working together even after the show. They reunited for Kim's Christmas movie last year. If there was jealousy or catfights while filming the show, I can't see them wanting to do that much less remain friends.

Also, Mackenzie has stated he liked working on The Facts of Life. I've never heard anything negative from him. Geri has spoken negative. I remember one interview she did she talked about how she hated her guest appearances in season 5, or one of them anyways. She doesn't say anything bad about the core 4 though.

I guess my version of dirt is a lot different than your guys. When I think of drama behind the scenes I think of the catfights. Desperate Housewives is the best example of this. Nicollette Sheridan accused the creator of hitting her, only 3 of their core 4 actresses like each other in real life, and the rumors of actresses getting bullied by another actress. There's a lot of dirt from that show and when I compare it to The Facts of Life, the actresses didn't have this. They genuinely like each other. They continued working together even after the show. They reunited for Kim's Christmas movie last year. If there was jealousy or catfights while filming the show, I can't see them wanting to do that much less remain friends.

Also, Mackenzie has stated he liked working on The Facts of Life. I've never heard anything negative from him. Geri has spoken negative. I remember one interview she did she talked about how she hated her guest appearances in season 5, or one of them anyways. She doesn't say anything bad about the core 4 though.

There was some drama mentioned through the years. Like when Lisa would read books and newspapers while the other actresses practiced and studied lines because Lisa had a talent to absorb the lines quickly. Mindy spoke up and Lisa was upset at first at being called out, but then saw their point and practiced the lines with them.

There was also some anger among the core three directed at Nancy M. when she was holding out. Again it was Mindy who spoke publicly about it.

There was some drama mentioned through the years. Like when Lisa would read books and newspapers while the other actresses practiced and studied lines because Lisa had a talent to absorb the lines quickly.

But that was the best they could do at coming up with any "drama", lol (which is a good thing). I don't think it was any newspapers, just books. (IIRC, this is from "Cast Confessions"). And it would be on the set while they were rehearsing (which I'm surprised Asaad allowed in the first place).


Mindy spoke up and Lisa was upset at first at being called out, but then saw their point and practiced the lines with them.

I don't remember if it was Lisa or Mindy, but one of them said the three of them went to her dressing room together. It was cute though how Lisa laughed at herself for being all "teenagery" about it at first, lol.



There was also some anger among the core three directed at Nancy M. when she was holding out. Again it was Mindy who spoke publicly about it.

Now that I don't remember; that would be interesting to revisit in a documentary.

There was some drama mentioned through the years. Like when Lisa would read books and newspapers while the other actresses practiced and studied lines because Lisa had a talent to absorb the lines quickly. Mindy spoke up and Lisa was upset at first at being called out, but then saw their point and practiced the lines with them.

There was also some anger among the core three directed at Nancy M. when she was holding out. Again it was Mindy who spoke publicly about it.


Well these obviously weren't that big of a deal for them since they remained friends and even worked together again after the show ended. That's more than what the actresses of Desperate Housewives, Sex & The City, original Charmed, and other female lead shows were willing to do.

^---Yes, from their re-telling, it sounded like it was very brief and over quickly.

I guess my version of dirt is a lot different than your guys. When I think of drama behind the scenes I think of the catfights. Desperate Housewives is the best example of this. Nicollette Sheridan accused the creator of hitting her, only 3 of their core 4 actresses like each other in real life, and the rumors of actresses getting bullied by another actress. There's a lot of dirt from that show and when I compare it to The Facts of Life, the actresses didn't have this. They genuinely like each other. They continued working together even after the show. They reunited for Kim's Christmas movie last year. If there was jealousy or catfights while filming the show, I can't see them wanting to do that much less remain friends.

Also, Mackenzie has stated he liked working on The Facts of Life. I've never heard anything negative from him. Geri has spoken negative. I remember one interview she did she talked about how she hated her guest appearances in season 5, or one of them anyways. She doesn't say anything bad about the core 4 though.

Well there's not much dirt from anyone except maybe Pamela Adlon. But hearing them talking about being let go is more is more interesting to me than the core four would be able to dish.