I’m currently watching Episode 1 and thinking, “Wow, this dude was f*cked up.”

BTW: Does anyone know what happened to Tracy Edwards, Dahmer’s survivor? The last I heard, he was in jail, and that was 11 years ago.

I’m currently watching Episode 1 and thinking, “Wow, this dude was f*cked up.”

BTW: Does anyone know what happened to Tracy Edwards, Dahmer’s survivor? The last I heard, he was in jail, and that was 11 years ago.

I remember when that survivor testified in court. He said Dahmer told him "I'm going to eat your heart." Yeah, Dahmer was so beyond f'ed up. So why was Tracy Edwards in jail? I haven't seen the netflix series. Any good?

I remember when that survivor testified in court. He said Dahmer told him "I'm going to eat your heart." Yeah, Dahmer was so beyond f'ed up. So why was Tracy Edwards in jail? I haven't seen the netflix series. Any good?
The series is okay, but a couple of things are inaccurate, like them making Tracy out to be some gay man when he said in the past that he isn’t.

I think Tracy was in jail for being part of some murder.

The series is okay, but a couple of things are inaccurate, like them making Tracy out to be some gay man when he said in the past that he isn’t.

I think Tracy was in jail for being part of some murder.
He's bisexual.



When Edwards returned to Wisconsin, he was arrested several more times for things like drug possession, theft, property damage, failure to pay child support, and bail jumping, ABC reported, per the New York Post.

But the story doesn't end there. On July 26, 2011, Edwards was arrested after being accused of taking part in a crime that involved throwing a man to his death off a Milwaukee bridge, according to ABC News. Edwards was 52 at the time and homeless. He had been moving from shelter to shelter since 2002, ABC News said.

He eventually pleaded guilty to aiding a felon after he and another man threw someone off of a downtown bridge into a river during an argument, per Fox 6.

They claim that the series has been streamed for a total exceeding 500 million hours since it launched.
Wonder how many are viewing it as an "instructional" video?

I find it interesting that "society" finds it permissible to dramatize the race aspect, but not the sexual preference aspect.

I find it interesting that "society" finds it permissible to dramatize the race aspect, but not the sexual preference aspect.

You do realize that psychotic killers & perverts can also be heterosexual

You do realize that psychotic killers & perverts can also be heterosexual

Yes, just as perverts and psychotic killers (and the police who enable them through ineptness) are not all racially motivated.

My fascination here is that "society" is cozy with stigmatizing whites as racially motivated (that "paint with a broad brush" issue)....yet there was a demand to remove "homosexual" tags from the series promotion.

AND DAHMER WAS SEXUALLY MOTIVATED.....


So, I don't know if you want to call it a disparity, or "conflicting sensitivities" or whatever
perhaps cognitive dissonance is an apt descriptor.

BUT whatever one calls it, it is undeniably a dual standard. :)

Wawwie, you mention that you have not seen the series, so you might be at a disadvantage here.

I have not seen it either, but I just happened to have read a lengthy interview of the reporter who was the source of much of the material the show is based upon

And in that interview the reporter mentions that much has been made about the fact that the cops who "returned" the escaped victim to Dahmer's custody were white.....as was Dahmer...implying that there may have been a special rapport between Dahmer and the police that was only "skin deep",... you might say. Thus victimizing the poor little minority boy who was thrown to the lions. (that's the way the story is being played)

Which is clearly little more than motivated race baiting.

So, All I'm saying here, is NOT necessarily that homosexuality caused the murder, but rather that isn't it equally fair to theorize that Dahmer obviously is capable of aberrant behavior, perhaps evidenced in a NUMBER of different ways? Poor Judgement/poor choices, in other words.

But, we're not allowed to speculate about that, let's just confine the speculation to how white skin makes a person evil......hope that clarifies my objection better.

AND DAHMER WAS SEXUALLY MOTIVATED.....


So was Ted Bundy and he was a heterosexual. So I don't understand why you bring up the gay issue. Ted Bundy was just as sick and evil as Jeffrey Dahmer, you do know that, I assume. Yet, I doubt you would ever bring up Bundy's heterosexuality.

Oh I'm getting some laughs on this exchange, I would Not spend moment on this issue, but I know you didn't ask me, but the OP put it out there....

. Ted Bundy was just as sick and evil

There you go, changing the subject again. :wave:


My point was not so much centered upon my personal assessment of Dahmer, as it is our society's willingness to condone the speculation of race as a motivator, but not sexuality.

Again, it's that flaming dual standard that I find curious.

Isn't it just as likely that the cops may have thought "Ghey lovers spat? e'www yuk" and just sought the most expedient exit available to them?

Unfortunately, that's just the nature of the beast. When Cops are involved there will always be people who believe they did too much, AND there will always be people who believe they did too little'

AND it's just the opportunistic nature of some people to try and leverage their position by tying it to some greater issue.

The cop was one race and the vic was another, let's escalate this into a matter of racial bias, and see if we come out on top......that sort of thing.

And the last thing I'll throw into consideration is, here we have Dahmer...an individual who obviously believed that he was exempt from rules, standards, and mainstream values. He was voraciously dishonest, he believed he could steal, he believed he could murder, he believed he could eat other people, he believed he could consume illegal drugs, he believed that conventional sexual mores did not apply to him,...he may have even run with scissors as a child.

But, what's the one thing we are not allowed to speculate? Taboos are funny critters, especially when it comes time to feed them.

Oh I'm getting some laughs on this exchange, I would Not spend moment on this issue, .

Not changing the subject, just throwing out an abstract example.......but if the teeter-totter in the school playground comes up broken....what are the odds that the teacher is gonna come looking for the fat kid?

Where is the concern and sensitivity over lifestyle choices and the feelings of the accused? :lol:

What REALLY pisses me off is that Dahmer killed this one man, not to fulfill his sexual needs, but simply because he was afraid that the man would be mad at him for drugging him. Talk about stupid and unhesitant. :crazy:

I guess he just had delusions of entitlement?

It frequently amuses me when yer average internet user feels entitled to decide what other users are "allowed" to talk about. Everybody is "special" I guess?

It frequently amuses me when yer average internet user feels entitled to decide what other users are "allowed" to talk about. Everybody is "special" I guess?

What amuses me is that you frequently talk out of your arse.
What in the world are you talking about? :confused:

But, how can we be sure that Dahmer didn't provide the man drugs with "grander ambitions" in mind?

I'm not familiar with the specific instance you mention, but frequently there is an expectation that the recipient of free drugs will reciprocate with "favors"

What amuses me is that you frequently talk out of your arse.
What in the world are you talking about? :confused:

If you expect a meaningful reply, try again without the abusive commentary.

But, how can we be sure that Dahmer didn't provide the man drugs with "grander ambitions" in mind?
Dahmer was a total NUT. He wasn’t even remotely attracted to the man, he just lured him into his cannibal apartment to later kill him. That, in my opinion, is stupid. It’s bad enough that there are people in this world who still kill, but what kind of person kills someone for a very little reason like that? Dahmer could’ve been afraid of the man getting mad at him all he wanted, but he had every right to get mad at him. So, with that being said, Dahmer would have been better off letting the man get upset and storm off. I’m not saying that Dahmer was necessarily stupid, but he sure did make some stupid choices.

Yes, it is often challenging to understand insane acts from a sane frame of reference.
Like many people Dahmer likely defined "normal" based upon whatever he wanted at any particular moment.

Whelp, a friend of mine who claims he bought a Netflix subscription expressly so that he could watch the Dahmer series, says that after one day viewing he is so disgusted that he intends to cancel.

Trying to extract details.

I’m fine with the show, but they did mess up a few things like making this Glenda Cleveland woman Jeffrey’s neighbor. Glenda was never Jeffrey’s neighbor, she called the cops after her daughter, niece, and their friend witnessed a boy coming from Jeffrey’s apartment naked and bleeding. In the series, Glenda is not only Jeffrey’s neighbor, but apparently, she witnessed the bloody boy, she called the cops several times, and Jeffrey even fed her a human sandwich. I know that part is incorrect because it was confirmed that a woman named Pamela Bass was given that sandwich. Either something happened to where the writers were forced to this or the writers were simply lazy and did not care, but it pisses me off because people who are just learning about Jeffrey Dahmer via Netflix are given the wrong idea about Glenda Cleveland.

I agree that the accounts presented should be exclusively factual. Perhaps related, perhaps not, but I was just reading a news item about Dahmer's victim's surviving relatives being irritated that there are "Jeffery Dahmer" Halloween costumes being sold, without their blessing.

The reality being that the trial was a matter of public record, and therefore privacy restrictions do not apply.

Perhaps in the instance you mention, there were unresolved "rights" issues, and Netflix opted to work around them instead of buying someone's blessing? (just a speculation)

I saw the Netflix Dahmer series the day it came out. I for one have found Jeffrey Dahmer fascinating and have read just about everything over the decades about him and have seen just about every documentary and movie there is. The actor who played Dahmer did an excellent job playing him, down to his voice and mannerisms.

However, there are many inconsistancies between the series and the truth. I do not like this and anyone making a movie or show based on real events should be able to tell the truth exactly without embellishment the way it really happened.

1. Tracy Edwards is heterosexual. Dahmer met him in the Grand Avenue shopping mall in the afternoon, not at Club 219 depicted here. (Edwards actually had a warrant out for his arrest for a sexual crime himself from I believe Mississippi. He was also somewhat involved with some men in a murder).

2. Glenda Cleveland did not live in the same floor as Dahmer, but in another building. So Cleveland wasnt staying up all night listening to noises over her vents. One of Dahmer's neighbors was a woman named Pamela Bass and her husband (who wasnt in the series but has been in several documentaries) sort of befriended Dahmer to a point. The sandwich scene as depicted wasnt about Cleveland but with Bass and her husband and for whatever reason. Dahmer gave Pamela or her husband a sandwich, with in a documentary they wonder where the meat came from...... Another woman who lived in the hall stated that Jeff never bought groceries and when he cooked it smelled like "chitlins", which to her has a very stong and distinctive smell.

Cleveland was not at the scene where Konerak Sinthsamphone was in the street. Cleveland did hear about the incident second hand and she was the one who called the police afterwards to no avail. The residents of Dahmer's building did complain about the smells and the noises and Dahmer was facing eviction arounnd the time he lost his job (and from the time he was fired from his job to getting arrested was only like a month or less)

3. The actor who played Lionel Dahmer the father did good acting job but he didn't really capture in my opinion what the real Lionel Dahmer was like. From various interviews with Lionel, Lionel was not aware that Jeff was picking up "roadkill" and dissecting them, Lionel stated that if he knew that, he would have mandated Jeff to go into counseling.

Also, Lionel is a soft spoken and a Christian man (Lutheran). Although I am sure he yelled at Jeff, did not use the F-word. That just isnt Lionel. I think Lionel's approach more than likely was to be firm but in a calm way.

Lastly, Lionel lived near Akron, Ohio and Jeff lived in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, a distance of about 700 miles. The series made is seem that Jeff and Lionel lived in the same city (the scene where Lionel gets a call from the police station in the middle of the night that Jeff was arrested and simply got in his car and went there. I guess it could have happened that way, but it would have taken Lionel about 10 hours to arrive in Milwaukee.

4. Detective Kennedy's partner was white, not black, but with the same name as the real person. Detective Kennedy passed away several years ago but he has done interviews and was in a good documentary called "The Jeffrey Dahmer files" which interviewed Kennedy, Pam Bass and other people. Kennedy basically stated that at least at first talked to Dahmer alone, and at first didnt believe what Dahmer was telling him until his superiors told him it was true. I wish the series would have made it more of a relationship of Kennedy and Dahmer and the various interviews.

5. Dahmer went to Ohio State to study business, not science. But his GPA was 0.45/4.0 as stated by the dean.

6. Dahmer flew home by plane and not by bus from Miami. Dahmer was actually homeless in Miami because although working in a sandwich shop, drank his money away and didnt pay rent for his room. His father stated when Jeff got off the plane, he smiled, but it was (according to Lionel) 'a smell of inebriation".

7. Dahmer and the deaf man did not have any kind of relationship. They were familar with each other from the gay clubs but were not boyfriends or dating. But Dahmer did know the guy for a period of time and not just someone he picked up randomly. Sometimes Dahmer did this. Once he mentioned just being in a bar close to closing time having one last drink when somebody just came up to him randomly and started talking to him.

8. Dahmer was killed first, not Jesse Anderson. It would have been better if it was done like in real life with Anderson recoiling in fear that he will be next.
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Lastly, Molly Ringwald was in this. I am only a year older than her and really had a thing for her when I was a teenager in the 1980's. I have not seen her in over 30 years and she is in this, and she is still beautiful, and I like mature women my age. She's gained weight, which makes her now huggable Molly.

Usually with most all of the victims, Dahmer put them to sleep by drugging a drink and then strangling them. Then after that, Dahmer would play with the body for a few days until it decomposed (hence the smell). Dahmer at least once put a victim's body on ice in his bathtub so he would have it when he came home from work.

The first episode when Dahmer took Edwards home was actually fairly accurate (although it wasnt from 219 bar at night but at a shopping mall) and Dahmer did try to drug Edwards, but Edwards stated he wasnt much of a liquor drinker. So Dahmer seemingly went off his script and tossed a handcuff on his wrist and threatened him with a knife. This was different. Again it was lure the victim home, drug them to sleep, strangle and do whatever with the corpse.

The funny thing was when Edwards flagged down the cops and told his story, he had no interest in going back. Problem was that the key to unlock the cuff wouldnt fit. If these were cop handcuffs, they never would have returned to Dahmer's apartment.

Usually with most all of the victims, Dahmer put them to sleep by drugging a drink and then strangling them. Then after that, Dahmer would play with the body for a few days until it decomposed (hence the smell). Dahmer at least once put a victim's body on ice in his bathtub so he would have it when he came home from work.

The first episode when Dahmer took Edwards home was actually fairly accurate (although it wasnt from 219 bar at night but at a shopping mall) and Dahmer did try to drug Edwards, but Edwards stated he wasnt much of a liquor drinker. So Dahmer seemingly went off his script and tossed a handcuff on his wrist and threatened him with a knife. This was different. Again it was lure the victim home, drug them to sleep, strangle and do whatever with the corpse.

The funny thing was when Edwards flagged down the cops and told his story, he had no interest in going back. Problem was that the key to unlock the cuff wouldnt fit. If these were cop handcuffs, they never would have returned to Dahmer's apartment.
Dahmer also implied to Edwards that he was going to kill him, when, to my knowledge, he never said anything like that to his other victims, he just did what he did and got it over with.

2. Glenda Cleveland did not live in the same floor as Dahmer, but in another building/ So Cleveland wasnt staying up all night listening to noises over her vents. One of Dahmer's neighbors was a woman named Pamela Bass and her husband (who wasnt in the series but has been in several documentaries) sort of befriended Dahmer to a point. The sandwich scene as depicted wasnt about Cleveland but with Bass and her husband and for whatever reason. Dahmer gave Pamela or her husband a sandwich, with in a documentary they wonder where the meat came from...... Another woman who lived in the hall stated that Jeff never bought groceries and when he cooked it smelled like "chitlins", which to her has a very stong and distinctive smell.

Cleveland was not at the scene where Konerak Sinthsamphone was in the street. Cleveland did hear about the incident second hand and she was the one who called the police afterwards to no avail. The residents of Dahmer's building did complain about the smells and the noises and Dahmer was facing eviction arounnd the time he lost his job (and from the time he was fired from his job to getting arrested was only like a month less.
Thank you. That’s the thing that made me mad. The real Glenda never said “So ya’ll gon’ let him take this baby back inside?” or “I’m not eating a “sammich” from my neighbor when his apartment smells like a raccoon’s ass.” If I were writing this series and was given permission, I’d include Pamela Bass and her husband. I’d also include Glenda Cleveland’s daughter, niece, and their friend, the ones who actually saw that 14 year old boy. It’s ridiculous that I’m watching Glenda staying up at night to observe what goes on in Dahmer’s apartment when all it takes is a Wikipedia visit to confirm that she didn’t even stay in the same building.

Kim Goldman calls on TV dramas to involve victims' families in wake of the controversy over Dahmer — Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story. (https://deadline.com/2022/10/true-crime-dramas-dahmer-victims-families-1235148121/)

By Lynette Rice

October 18, 2022 12:06pm

In the wake of pushback by victims’ families to Dahmer — Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story (https://deadline.com/tag/monster-the-jeffrey-dahmer-story/), Kim Goldman is speaking out about TV producers who fail to alert survivors about their true crime TV shows.

Goldman – whose brother Ron was murdered alongside Nicole Brown Simpson in 1994 – said she was “not surprised” to learn that families were caught off guard (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jeffrey-dahmer-netflix-tv-show-victim-family-speaks-out-1235228196/) by Ryan Murphy’s latest series (https://forums.primetimer.com/forum/5032-monster-the-jeffrey-dahmer-story/) for Netflix (https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/monster-the-jeffrey-dahmer-story-netflix-watch-discussion-thread.5029072/). The serial killer limited series starring Evan Peters hit the 1B hours mark within the first 28 days of its release window.

“I’m not surprised,” Goldman told EW (https://ew.com/tv/kim-goldman-dahmer-netflix-true-crime-backlash/). “The same creator did the same thing to our family. I’ve seen [this type of backlash] from Gabby Petito’s family about the Lifetime movie. Lots of other families have talked about how their case has been exploited without any involvement or even a courtesy call. It’s pretty gross.”

Goldman recounted how she first learned about Murphy’s decision to make The People V. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story — and it wasn’t from production. “I was bombarded — bombarded — with news, and phone calls, and emails, and my feed, and I had no fricking idea what was going on,” she told EW. “So, either I had to choose to watch so that I could be part of the conversation or not. It’s unnecessary, to not be able to just send an email that says, ‘Hey, we’re doing this about your family. I’m so sorry. We hope that you’re proud of the work that we’ve done.'”

Goldman, who hosts the Media Circus podcast, acknowledges that true crime dramas are here to stay. She just would like producers to consider the families’ point of view before charging forward with a new tale of murder and intrigue.

“I think we can change the narrative about the way we tell stories and to make sure that we’re telling the stories that include the victimization, and that can allow people to understand that that’s part of the process,” Goldman said. “I think it’s changed a little bit over the last couple of years, but most of the shows are from the criminal’s perspective, from the law enforcement perspective, from the legal perspective. Very seldom do you often see it from a victim’s perspective. It paints a picture that victims and survivors are in the background, you know, in a fetal position on the floor. If we’re going to continue to have true crime, which I think we will, it’s irresponsible to not in some way include the families so that you can understand what they’re experiencing and to give a little bit more power back to them.”

Deadline has reached out to Netflix for comment.

Anyone else seen the Dahmer show and want to comment??

I have not seen the Netflix series, but I have seen many docus. and interviews about him and the film from 2002 when a then-unknown Jeremy Renner portrayed him.

What strikes me as different about him when compared to other serial murderers is that he was no attention or media whore, such as Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez, who made a spectacle of themselves during their trials. I believe he was one who was truly "sick" and I think that he did feel remorse about what he had done.

He killed his victims after they were drugged and unconscious as he was not the sadistic type who wanted his victims to suffer. He was also inebriated himself during the murders. I'm not excusing his behavior, but I feel that he truly had an illness.

Ryan Murphy tried reaching out to Dahmer victims (https://ew.com/tv/ryan-murphy-dahmer-victims-loved-ones-memorial/#:~:text=single%20person%20responded'-,Ryan%20Murphy%20says%20he%20reached%20out%20to%2020%20victims'%20loved,think%20there%20should%20be%20something.%22)

Ryan Murphy says he reached out (https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/ryan-murphy-jeffrey-dahmer-victims-family-response-rcna54593) to 20 victims' loved ones for Dahmer but 'not a single person responded' The show creator said he would be "happy to pay" for a memorial dedicated to victims of Jeffrey Dahmer: "I do think there should be something."

No. Why on earth would I want to subject myself to that?

Ed.