I know she was convicted but curious if you think she actually did it?

I know she was convicted but curious if you think she actually did it?

Of course she did it. The fibers of the torn screen were found on a knife from their kitchen knife block. Guilty.
Has this dumb bitch been put to death yet?

Last I saw she was still on death row

A coworker thinks she's 100% innocent but the evidence seemed pretty straightforward

Of course she did it. The fibers of the torn screen were found on a knife from their kitchen knife block. Guilty.
Has this dumb bitch been put to death yet?

Yep. 100% guilty without a doubt in my mind. For anyone that feels otherwise, I implore you to watch the Forensic Files episode about her case. The forensic evidence against her is beyond overwhelming. She is absolutely responsible for the murders of her sons.

Yes, hopefully this DNA testing gets done soon & it can be put to rest that she was the perpetrator.

I have zero doubts that she murdered her two sons.

I'd been aware of this DR case for a while, and last year saw the old UM segment - which led me to do more research on this 26-year old crime.

This is an extremely clear-cut case & it's very obvious that DR murdered her sons, cut herself to look like she was a victim, and ended up blaming fictitious "intruder/intruders." It strongly reminds me of the 1970 Jeffrey MacDonald case; there are a lot of similarities here.

She is exactly where she belongs. Glad a jury got this right the first time. Also glad the authorities didn't arrest & convict an innocent person in this case - especially since these miscarriages of justice have happened before.

Not only is she a murderer of her defenseless children, but it's appalling that DR tried to blame her innocent neighbor for the crime(s).

As far as "why" she did it? It's possible that because her marriage/life was falling apart, she just "snapped". I don't see her as insane/mentally ill, just an entitled woman who thought she could literally get away with murder.

Whatever the reason, she is definitely guilty. Anyone supporting her is in denial. The physical evidence that she committed these murders is overwhelming.

The Forensic Files episode really nails home the evidence against her. She is guilty but I think that she is going to be spared the death penalty.

The Forensic Files episode really nails home the evidence against her. She is guilty but I think that she is going to be spared the death penalty.

I completely agree with both of those sentences.

I’d also like to give props to the prosecution on this case. If you look, you’ll see that they only put her on trial for the murder of one of her sons. They knew she was so obviously guilty that they didn’t want to take any chances of her beating the case due to it being such a big media sensation at the time. Couldn’t risk another O.J. type situation. By only putting her on trial for one of the murders, that left room for them to put her right back on trial for the murder of her other child had she somehow beaten the original case. Pretty shrewd move by the prosecution and I think it’s awesome that they still have the other murder hanging over her head, as it were, to make sure she never sees the light of day again.

Thanks for the recommendation of the FF episode focusing on DR. Just saw this. It's excellent, and I highly recommend this to anyone who wants to find out more about the case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsAs5Zd5fKc

The Forensic Files episode really nails home the evidence against her. She is guilty but I think that she is going to be spared the death penalty.

Highly likely-the number of women executed in the US is incredibly low, as opposed to men, only 17 since 1976 when it was reintroduced. Bad news for her is Texas is number one for doing it with six of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_executed_in_the_United_States_since_1976

Highly likely-the number of women executed in the US is incredibly low, as opposed to men, only 17 since 1976 when it was reintroduced. Bad news for her is Texas is number one for doing it with six of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_executed_in_the_United_States_since_1976

Yeah.. i honestly don't know which way to fall here on this. I mean, this is a slam-dunk case. She didn't plead guilty. This is what the death penalty was made for right here, pretty much. And they've already sentenced her to death and if it gets knocked down on appeal, well, they can always then try her for Devon's death and try to get it again.

And then.. I remember that Susan Smith is up for parole in just over 2 years.

Thanks for the recommendation of the FF episode focusing on DR. Just saw this. It's excellent, and I highly recommend this to anyone who wants to find out more about the case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsAs5Zd5fKc

Thank you for the link. I found out some interesting things I didn't know before, including that the Routiers were not the picture-perfect family as they tried to portray themselves (of course). Learning that the husband wasn't so involved with the raising of the children, I actually started to feel a tiny but of sympathy for Darlie. I feel the same way about Andrea Yates. We still live in a very patriarchal society and many wives are literally forced to bear children that they cannot handle raising while the man is out doing his thing, nor are they able to access mental help or other support. That would be a failure on the mother's part. Barefoot, pregnant in the kitchen, keep your mouth shut. I believe it was Andrea's religion and her husband that prevented her from getting help when she needed it, and then she snapped. I wondered if this was what happened to Darlie. What still confuses me is how she had the time to go plant the sock before inflicting her own wounds and then calling 911. And why she left her 7 month-old unharmed. I'm still not 100% convinced she did it but with no scientific evidence pointing to an intruder, I don't know what else to believe. Very similar to how I feel about the Jeffrey MacDonald case.

As for the birthday party at the graves, let me just say this: When you lose a child, you do strange things. I have first-hand experience with this, and it's something I would never wish on anyone. If you have children, hug them tonight and tell them you love them ok? You do NOT want to go through losing them, believe me. The birthday party at the graves itself doesn't bother me, but inviting the press was tacky and there was nothing....genuine....about it. It was clearly an act. As for doing strange things, I'm upgrading my baby's urn because it looks a little cheap and babyish (the one I have now was provided at no charge by the funeral home). Most people would look at me and think I was totally crazy for doing such a thing. But I don't feel that way. It's just one more thing I can do to honor my son and my angel, and how he changed my life for the better in the few days he was here.

I don't feel sorry for DR at all. No one pointed a gun to her head & forced her to get married & have a family. If she didn't want to do this, she didn't have to. In DR's case, she was a house-wife & completely dependent on her husband financially. But, again - it didn't have to be that way.

Also, she was very calculating when committing this horrible crime. She staged this & not only claimed a fictitious intruder did this, but went on to blame an innocent neighbor. And, as horrific as this crime was - it would also have been horrible if DR was believed & the innocent neighbor had gone to prison for the rest of his life - for a crime he didn't commit. Note that her guilty verdict could easily have gone another way, and she could have walked. Glad that this didn't happen that way.

I don't feel sorry for DR at all. No one pointed a gun to her head & forced her to get married & have a family. If she didn't want to do this, she didn't have to. She grew up in an era when women were going to college & having careers, etc. In DR's case, she was a house-wife & completely dependent on her husband financially. But, again - it didn't have to be that way.

Also, she was very calculating when committing this horrible crime. She staged this & not only claimed a fictitious intruder did this, but went on to blame an innocent neighbor. And, as horrific as this crime was - it would also have been horrible if DR was believed & the innocent neighbor had gone to prison for the rest of his life - for a crime he didn't commit.

Well, it is true that nobody put a gun to her head and made her get married and all. But like it or not, there have been other cases where mothers with post-partum depression, sleep deprivation and other issues have harmed their children or gone off the rails in other ways. I'll say it again, Andrea Yates is a good example of what happens when you push someone too far (raising too many children on her own) and ignore their needs and health. Denying it won't fix it. Maternal psychoses is real. If someone is experiencing a psychotic episode due to home life pressures and their mental health needs are being ignored by their immediate family, how is that entirely their fault?

I missed the part where she blamed a neighbor. I've been searching online but I haven't been able to find anything that confirms that fact. All I can say is that this case is incredibly sad. I tend to have great sympathy for people dealing with mental illnesses, however I know most people do not. Mental illness is really one of the last great taboos of our society. Even today it's judged unfairly.

DR's blaming a neighbor was not mentioned in the FF episode. However, I know I saw this somewhere - it could have been in the original UM segment I saw last year. I will have to re-watch this again.

Maternal psychoses is real. If someone is experiencing a psychotic episode due to home life pressures and their mental health needs are being ignored by their immediate family, how is that entirely their fault?

It's entirely their fault when they snap, viciously murder two of their children, and then take the time to stage the scene and blame it on an intruder who did not exist, who also continues to deny culpability and responsibility to this day.

She also blamed a neighbor, as well as a family acquaintance named Glenn Mize. When it was proven in open court that the neighbor could not have possibly been involved (she claimed he would watch her in their spa despite the fact that her hot tub in their backyard was fenced in and was housed in a shed), the prosecution called Glenn Mize to the stand who was short, chubby, and balding...totally different from the "attacker" Darlie described. She also admitted, under oath, at her trial that it couldn't have been the neighbor or Glenn Mize.

Absolutely guilty.

It's entirely their fault when they snap, viciously murder two of their children, and then take the time to stage the scene and blame it on an intruder who did not exist, who also continues to deny culpability and responsibility to this day.


Exactly. This was premeditated murder, not psychoses. It's not like she killed her kids because she believed they were possessed by the devil.

It's entirely their fault when they snap, viciously murder two of their children, and then take the time to stage the scene and blame it on an intruder who did not exist, who also continues to deny culpability and responsibility to this day.

She also blamed a neighbor, as well as a family acquaintance named Glenn Mize. When it was proven in open court that the neighbor could not have possibly been involved (she claimed he would watch her in their spa despite the fact that her hot tub in their backyard was fenced in and was housed in a shed), the prosecution called Glenn Mize to the stand who was short, chubby, and balding...totally different from the "attacker" Darlie described. She also admitted, under oath, at her trial that it couldn't have been the neighbor or Glenn Mize.

Exactly. This was premeditated murder, not psychoses. It's not like she killed her kids because she believed they were possessed by the devil.


Agree with all of this. The fact that she not only committed these heinous crimes BUT ALSO initially blamed two innocent people is sickening. Either one (or both) of them could have gone to jail for a crime they didn't commit. Glad that didn't happen.

I also find it extremely interesting that whenever a woman commits a horrific crime like this against her kid/kids, many people try to explain away her behavior with an excuse. I.e., she couldn't have done this (despite all of the evidence against her); she was mentally ill; she was under a lot of stress; etc.

Conversely, when a man kills his kids/family like this, he is universally condemned & called a murdering scum-bag, etc.....without exception. Obviously, there's an unfair double standard here.

Conversely, when a man kills his kids/family like this, he is universally condemned & called a murdering scum-bag, etc.....without exception. Obviously, there's an unfair double standard here.

Sort of. People have been trying to come up with "logical" reasons as to why Brad Bishop or Jeffrey MacDonald slaughtered their families for years. But there definitely seems to be a consensus that Darlie Routier was somehow wronged by the justice system as compared to other family annihilators.

Big thread here: https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=296496

I don't know if they took a long enough look at Darin. Something is "off" about him. I don't know what it is. I always get a little suspicious when there is someone in the house who doesn't have a scratch on their face. The two boys are dead, Darlie may have given herself those wounds, but man, one of them almost killed her. She either is innocent or she concocted a plan and nearly killed herself in the process. This case has always bothered me.

I don't know if they took a long enough look at Darin. Something is "off" about him. I don't know what it is. I always get a little suspicious when there is someone in the house who doesn't have a scratch on their face. The two boys are dead, Darlie may have given herself those wounds, but man, one of them almost killed her. She either is innocent or she concocted a plan and nearly killed herself in the process. This case has always bothered me.

Darlie has never named Darin as her "attacker". She did name two different men though. She described her "attacker" as a thin white man with long black hair. The two men she named as her attacker were called into the court during her trial and she was forced to admit under oath that neither one of the men she herself had named while sitting in jail awaiting trial were her "attacker". Read the trial transcripts and you will have zero doubt of her guilt.

Darlie has never named Darin as her "attacker". She did name two different men though. She described her "attacker" as a thin white man with long black hair. The two men she named as her attacker were called into the court during her trial and she was forced to admit under oath that neither one of the men she herself had named while sitting in jail awaiting trial were her "attacker". Read the trial transcripts and you will have zero doubt of her guilt.

I know it was the neighbour she named, correct?

I know it was the neighbour she named, correct?

One was a neighbor and the other was a business acquaintance of Darin's. She claimed the neighbor would often creep her out by watching her while she was in the hot tub. The only problem? Their hot tub was in their fenced in backyard and looked like this: https://www.westviewmfg.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/aspen1214-6.jpg

This neighbor lived on the street behind the Routier residence, but was so far down in the opposite direction of their home that it would have been impossible for him to have ever watched Darlie. The prosecution got her to admit, under oath, that it was impossible for the neighbor to have been watching her and how unlikely it was that he was the killer. The business acquaintance was the one they brought into court who was a short, fat, balding man and they again got her to admit under oath that he too was not the killer.

One was a neighbor and the other was a business acquaintance of Darin's. She claimed the neighbor would often creep her out by watching her while she was in the hot tub. The only problem? Their hot tub was in their fenced in backyard and looked like this: https://www.westviewmfg.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/aspen1214-6.jpg

This neighbor lived on the street behind the Routier residence, but was so far down in the opposite direction of their home that it would have been impossible for him to have ever watched Darlie. The prosecution got her to admit, under oath, that it was impossible for the neighbor to have been watching her and how unlikely it was that he was the killer. The business acquaintance was the one they brought into court who was a short, fat, balding man and they again got her to admit under oath that he too was not the killer.

I mean, even if he did check her out while she was in the hot tub (bathing suit on I assume maybe?) I can see it. Darlie was a knockout back then and she could turn heads. That just makes the guy a man, not a killer.

I've actually avoided any and all discussions of the Routier case for years now because I've had bad experiences (on other forums admittedly). Posters get quite passionate about this case IMO and for understandable reasons. That said, I'm taking a chance and putting my toe back in on this board because I've had almost nothing but positive experiences here regardless of the subject matter being discussed.

Being completely honest, I struggle with the Routier case a lot. I try to educate myself and go over the many sources of information that are available, but it just seems to me that everything is so slanted, towards BOTH sides. Just when I have myself convinced that she's probably guilty, I see another documentary or listen to another podcast which throws me right back into doubt. Now I'll admit that I haven't yet seen the FF episode referenced up thread, but definitely will because it's one of the true crime programs that I not only enjoy, but also trust to stick to the facts without an obvious agenda.

Does anyone have any recommendations on some other programs or podcasts that they feel are reliable? I'd like to see or listen to something that puts ALL the facts out there...the ones that point to her guilt and the ones that suggest she may be innocent. I guess I'm just hoping for something fair and balanced without the selective reporting that I've seen so much of. Thanks for hearing me out!

I've actually avoided any and all discussions of the Routier case for years now because I've had bad experiences (on other forums admittedly). Posters get quite passionate about this case IMO and for understandable reasons. That said, I'm taking a chance and putting my toe back in on this board because I've had almost nothing but positive experiences here regardless of the subject matter being discussed.

Being completely honest, I struggle with the Routier case a lot. I try to educate myself and go over the many sources of information that are available, but it just seems to me that everything is so slanted, towards BOTH sides. Just when I have myself convinced that she's probably guilty, I see another documentary or listen to another podcast which throws me right back into doubt. Now I'll admit that I haven't yet seen the FF episode referenced up thread, but definitely will because it's one of the true crime programs that I not only enjoy, but also trust to stick to the facts without an obvious agenda.

Does anyone have any recommendations on some other programs or podcasts that they feel are reliable? I'd like to see or listen to something that puts ALL the facts out there...the ones that point to her guilt and the ones that suggest she may be innocent. I guess I'm just hoping for something fair and balanced without the selective reporting that I've seen so much of. Thanks for hearing me out!
I think your post kind of hits all of the key points that describes Darlie's case. most of the evidence points to her being the killer. I think she is guilty.

but there are elements of the trial that I have problems with. I always felt uncomfortable that she was instantly convicted in the court of public opinion before the trial ever started because of the silly string video that the news media captured and blasted to the airways. I was a young kid back then and when I watched that news story it was so impactful to her being convicted. (I think it was wrong of the media to intrude on the boys' funeral). and IIRC the judge allowed that video to be shown in the trial, which I guess it didn't matter at that point because it was shown to the state of Texas on the news before the trial or jury proceedings ever started. IIRC she wasn't even charged yet when the video was shown.

as far as podcasts I don't know, IIRC one of the local big four major dallas media outlets did a recap documentary a few years ago that was interesting. it had updated interviews with Darlie and her mom that both still claim innocence and I think they were asking for more DNA testing. I think Darlie needs to stay in prison barring some type of new evidence, but should be spared from the death penalty. Honestly I got so burned out on this that I haven't really kept up with it.

Big thread here: https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=296496

absolutely, one of the biggest thread's ever with so many posters on it.

Does anyone have any recommendations on some other programs or podcasts that they feel are reliable? I'd like to see or listen to something that puts ALL the facts out there...the ones that point to her guilt and the ones that suggest she may be innocent. I guess I'm just hoping for something fair and balanced without the selective reporting that I've seen so much of. Thanks for hearing me out!

https://darliefacts.com/jury-trial-transcripts/

Read her trial transcripts. You cannot come away thinking she's innocent after reading through it, especially her defense.

https://darliefacts.com/jury-trial-transcripts/

Read her trial transcripts. You cannot come away thinking she's innocent after reading through it, especially her defense.

Just reading Darlie's transcripts from the trial, wow is it ever long! Anyway, there is nothing that she says that really proves her innocence. You would think she would be adamant about certain things and be able to prove it, but I am not seeing it. Even something like her not even remembering if she had her mouth covered or not. That's just weird. I always draw up a red flag when they don't remember certain critical and simple things.

Now I'll admit that I haven't yet seen the FF episode referenced up thread, but definitely will because it's one of the true crime programs that I not only enjoy, but also trust to stick to the facts without an obvious agenda.

https://youtu.be/nsAs5Zd5fKc

Enjoy. ✌️