View Full Version : Miguel Cabrera becomes seventh MLB player with 3,000 hits, 500 homers


GentlemanJim
04-22-2022, 10:30 AM
Stepping to the plate with 2,999 career hits, 2 outs, runners on second and third, in a 1 run ball game, Miguel Cabrera posed just too much of a threat to Yankees manager Aaron Boone. So Boone flashed the 4 finger salute, infuriating Tigers fans that had paid admission to see history being made. The result was predictable.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6D7sqtrjvTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwONRvabGfA

The batter that followed Cabrera nudged a flare just beyond the grasp of the infielders for a two-run serving of revenge.

opus
04-22-2022, 11:44 AM
Stepping to the plate with 2,999 career hits, 2 outs, runners on second and third, in a 1 run ball game, Miguel Cabrera posed just too much of a threat to Yankees manager Aaron Boone. So Boone flashed the 4 finger salute, infuriating Tigers fans that had paid admission to see history being made. The result was predictable.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6D7sqtrjvTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwONRvabGfA

The batter that followed Cabrera nudged a flare just beyond the grasp of the infielders for a two-run serving of revenge.

I take it you’re new to baseball, so allow me to explain. One run game, Yankee offense struggling, one of the most dangerous hitters in history up, you walk him to set up the lefty/lefty matchup, which is more favorable. Didn’t work out, but everyone in the stadium with baseball knowledge knew it was coming, including Miggy and Tigers.

May as well boo him for flying out and striking out twice when pitched to. He had his chances.

GentlemanJim
04-22-2022, 12:50 PM
No, I understand perfectly well why it was done.

I just think that any stadium with 30K+ fans chanting "Yankees SUCK!!" deserves amplification.

And the fact that the strategy backfired is just groovy.

TJ
04-22-2022, 12:57 PM
It was the right strategic move at the time. Maybe the next time they play, the Tigers can bean their first batter to send a message.

The Tigers are playing the Rockies at home this weekend. Miggy will still have a chance to get 3,000 in front of the fans.

GentlemanJim
04-22-2022, 12:58 PM
I mean when you think about it, the way things played out will give Cabrera bragging rights, he will forever be able to recount how when he came to the plate with 2,999 hits...the mighty Yankees refused to pitch to him.

GentlemanJim
04-22-2022, 01:05 PM
I thought that this outcome was more entertaining, back in the day where pitchers still had to throw the 4 pitches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6YzVvtxoaY

opus
04-22-2022, 01:14 PM
Maybe the next time they play, the Tigers can bean their first batter to send a message.


Seriously?

No one seems too upset by this….

Asked if he was upset the Yankees walked him and delayed history by at least another day, Cabrera said with a smile, “No, my on-base percentage went up. We scored two runs. That’s big. That’s the beauty of baseball.”

”You could see it coming,’’ Detroit manager AJ Hinch said. “I know our fans responded accordingly, but I totally get it.”

https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/yankees-booed-relentlessly-after-aaron-boone-walks-miguel-cabrera/

GentlemanJim
04-22-2022, 01:30 PM
I actually thought that Cabrera showed good sportsmanship as he was walking into the dugout and gestured towards the scoreboard while waving 3 fingers at the disgruntled fans.

You hear him, and many other stars exclaim that winning ball games is more important than personal achievement.

Which sounds great, but often the utterance sounds so robotic that I wonder if it was a coached "sound bite" encouraged by their agents, to make them seem less greed motivated.

opus
04-22-2022, 08:52 PM
Game rained out tonight. Let’s boo Mother Nature!!

TJ
04-24-2022, 11:49 PM
I was just joking about the beaning.

Congrats to Miggy. He's only the seventh player with 3,000 hits and 500 homers.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33792448/detroit-tigers-slugger-miguel-cabrera-becomes-just-seventh-3000-hits-500-homers

opus
04-25-2022, 01:32 AM
I was just joking about the beaning.

Congrats to Miggy. He's only the seventh player with 3,000 hits and 500 homers.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33792448/detroit-tigers-slugger-miguel-cabrera-becomes-just-seventh-3000-hits-500-homers

We were looking at the list today (pasted below, for easy perusal), trying to figure out what spot he’d eventually end up in. I think he could go top 20 but I think he’d have to go one more season after this to reach that.

(Not necessary, but you give any thought to editing this thread title? I think Miggy deserves something a little less childish as an historical remembrance here )

1. Pete Rose: 4,256
2. Ty Cobb: 4,189
3. Hank Aaron: 3,771
4. Stan Musial: 3,630
5. Tris Speaker: 3,514
6. Derek Jeter: 3,465
7. Cap Anson: 3,435
8. Honus Wagner: 3,420
9. Carl Yastrzemski: 3,419
10. Paul Molitor: 3,319
11. Eddie Collins: 3,315
12. Albert Pujols: 3,308
13. Willie Mays: 3,293
14. Eddie Murray: 3,255
15. Nap Lajoie: 3,243
16. Cal Ripken Jr.: 3,184
17. Adrian Beltre: 3,166
18. George Brett: 3,154
19. Paul Waner: 3,152
20. Robin Yount: 3,142
21. Tony Gwynn: 3,141
22.Alex Rodriguez: 3,115
23. Dave Winfield: 3,110
24. Ichiro Suzuki: 3,089
25. Craig Biggio: 3,060
26. Rickey Henderson: 3,055
27. Rod Carew: 3,053
28. Lou Brock: 3,023
29. Rafael Palmeiro: 3,020
30. Wade Boggs: 3,010
31. Al Kaline: 3,007
32. Roberto Clemente: 3,000
33. Miguel Cabrera: 3,000

TJ
04-25-2022, 10:12 AM
I edited the thread title.

He just turned 39 last week. He's signed through 2023. He has a couple option years after that, so he could be bought out (https://www.blessyouboys.com/2021/7/12/16969744/detroit-tigers-cabrera-davis-pujols-contracts-rank-as-some-of-the-worst-in-mlb-history). He could play another three full seasons if he stays healthy and there aren't many games lost due to COVID-19, work stoppages or strikes. If the Tigers are competitive and he's still productive, he will probably stick around.

I think he could get another 350 or so hits if he averages 120-130 hits per season. He could get up to about 10th. Albert Pujols is still playing at age 42. He says it's his last season, but he's playing well. I edited your totals. He's up to 3,308.

opus
04-25-2022, 01:06 PM
I edited the thread title.

He just turned 39 last week. He's signed through 2023. He has a couple option years after that, so he could be bought out (https://www.blessyouboys.com/2021/7/12/16969744/detroit-tigers-cabrera-davis-pujols-contracts-rank-as-some-of-the-worst-in-mlb-history). He could play another three full seasons if he stays healthy and there aren't many games lost due to COVID-19, work stoppages or strikes. If the Tigers are competitive and he's still productive, he will probably stick around.

I think he could get another 350 or so hits if he averages 120-130 hits per season. He could get up to about 10th. Albert Pujols is still playing at age 42. He says it's his last season, but he's playing well. I edited your totals. He's up to 3,308.

Shouldn’t be any more stoppages. If they played thru Covid in 2020 and 2021 they’ll play through whatever comes next. Even if he himself gets it the player usually return pretty quickly. And this strike stuff is settled for now.

120 in each of the next 3 years seems high to me. I’ll stick with he goes top 20 but not top 10.

And this is a much more celebratory thread title :wave:

opus
04-25-2022, 01:15 PM
Speaking of 3000 hits, this could be it for a while. Here’s who’s currently closest



Robinson Cano, age 39, New York Mets: 2,631 hits

Yadier Molina, age 39, St. Louis Cardinals: 2,116

Joey Votto, age 38, Cincinnati Reds: 2,035

Nelson Cruz, age 41, Washington Nationals: 1,924

Elvis Andrus, age 33, Oakland A’s: 1,875

Andrew McCutchen, age 35, Milwaukee Brewers: 1,839

Evan Longoria, age 36, San Francisco Giants: 1,818

Jose Altuve, age 32, Houston Astros: 1,783

Justin Upton, age 34: 1,748

Freddie Freeman, age 32, Los Angeles Dodgers: 1,722

Eric Hosmer, age 32, San Diego Padres: 1,648

Michael Brantley, age 35, Houston Astros: 1,584

Paul Goldschmidt, age 34, St. Louis Cardinals: 1,583

https://sports.yahoo.com/next-mlb-player-reach-3-190016669.html

TJ
04-25-2022, 01:19 PM
Having the universal DH will also help him. He won't have to sit when they play in the NL ballparks. They don't need him to play in the field any longer, so they can save some wear and tear. His health will be the major issue.

How the heck does Elvis Andrus have more hits than Jose Altuve? The prospects of another 3,000 hits player don't look good any time soon.

opus
10-02-2023, 04:12 PM
Shouldn’t be any more stoppages. If they played thru Covid in 2020 and 2021 they’ll play through whatever comes next. Even if he himself gets it the player usually return pretty quickly. And this strike stuff is settled for now.

120 in each of the next 3 years seems high to me. I’ll stick with he goes top 20 but not top 10.



I was pretty accurate. He ended up 17th, assuming retirement sticks, which it most likely will. (He's only 10 away from Ripken, but after that 15th place has a ways to go.)

I took the numbers from here:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_career.shtml