Wasn't she supposed to come this site in July? It's almost the end of August, but I guess ever since her money troubles, she's had other things on her mind. Just observing that's all. Gotta go watch Cosby show. I FINALLY get to see it since it left TBS for N@N.

It must be pretty cool to meat Lisa Whelchel, she has an iteresting life, I know some of the people on this board have met her, and that is really awesome. I can't wait for her to visit this board, because she is such a good actress and a friend to all of us ;)

Her debt has been like lowered so she no longer has to file for bankruptcy.. go read her journal for the whole story. I dont really get it but whatever.

OMG, WOW! Lisa's supposed to come to this message board??? I hope she does, that would be so cool! How did you guys find out? I hope her financial problems are working out. I hate financial problems :mad: Unless someone's gone though problems like that, they don't know how horrible it is.

Originally posted by Blair85
OMG,
1A. How did you guys find out?

2A. I hope her financial problems are working out. I hate financial
problems :mad: Unless someone's gone though problems like
that, they don't know how horrible it is.

1B. She said in one of her Journal Entrys I can't remeber which
one but she said sometime when I get back from the trip
when I have time I'm going to vist the boards or something
like that I can't remember what she exactly said

2B. As for her financial problems in her july 29th journal post
she said The bankruptcy is being dismissed!!!! Isn’t that
exciting? God is so good and so faithful and sooooooo big!
Also it talks all about her problem from when it started to
when it ended so you can go to her site and read about it if
you'd like.

Originally posted by JoPol_wannabe

2B. As for her financial problems in her july 29th journal post
she said The bankruptcy is being dismissed!!!! Isn’t that
exciting? God is so good and so faithful and sooooooo big!
Also it talks all about her problem from when it started to
when it ended so you can go to her site and read about it if
you'd like.

That's great news! I'm so happy for her!

Originally posted by Ricky Ricardo
It's almost the end of August

*cracks up* Yo... we aren't even in August yet.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta


*cracks up* Yo... we aren't even in August yet.

*Hangs down head in shame* What fools these mortals be....

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta


*cracks up* Yo... we aren't even in August yet.




:lol: That's what I was about to say. Dang if it were August I'd be sitting in a desk right about now trying to stay awake.






ks

Maybe she did come to the site, but just didnt post. I mean, if she did, some of us would be pretty skeptical that it was even her. Well, I know that I would. But I hope that she does come here!

I am so relieved that Lisa's bankruptcy has been cleared. I still thought something was kind of weird about how they handled it to start with. I guess that is just the tricky part. When I read about the whole bankruptcy entry in Lisa's journal, I thought it was pretty weird that they didn't try to get any money for that long amount of time- and then start hounding up on her after a certain time period.

Anyways, I'm glad its been cleared. :D

Originally posted by Ricky Ricardo


*Hangs down head in shame* What fools these mortals be.... You're losing it, Chris. ;)

Originally posted by JoPol_wannabe


1B. She said in one of her Journal Entrys I can't remeber which
one but she said sometime when I get back from the trip
when I have time I'm going to vist the boards or something
like that I can't remember what she exactly said


It was her July 6th journal entry for June 1st. That was the day I met her. She told me that if she got the time she would try to come to the boards. Then I explained to her if she went to SitcomsOnline.com and go to the side and click 80's under message boards and the "The Facts of Life" then she would be here. She said that she will probably get bored after she gets home and come here. She seemed real encouraged about coming here, because so many people had told her about it before I did.

And you might be thinking of the journal entry sometime in May when she was in Mt. Vernon, IL. Lizzie gave her letters from people here at the boards, I only wished I had wrote her one before I had met her telling her that I was going to meet her.

LISA HAS NO MORE BANKRUPTCY PROBLEMS???? I would be so happy...if it weren't for the STAR-STUDDED CAST I had lined up for Lisa-Thon. Alicia Keys and Ozzy and his family said they MIGHT do it... Hey, a "might" is as good as a maybe.

But now....................I guess there's just no need.:(









I heard Cousin Geri's in financial hot water..........I wonder if.........:idea:

So where's Blair on here??? What's her user name??

Originally posted by MindyCohnFan


It was her July 6th journal entry for June 1st. That was the day I met her. She told me that if she got the time she would try to come to the boards. Then I explained to her if she went to SitcomsOnline.com and go to the side and click 80's under message boards and the "The Facts of Life" then she would be here. She said that she will probably get bored after she gets home and come here. She seemed real encouraged about coming here, because so many people had told her about it before I did.

And you might be thinking of the journal entry sometime in May when she was in Mt. Vernon, IL. Lizzie gave her letters from people here at the boards, I only wished I had wrote her one before I had met her telling her that I was going to meet her.

You met her? How? You are so lucky!

AHH LISA'S SUPPOSED TO COME HERE!?!?! AHHHHH!!!! THATS SO COOL!!!!! I CANT WAIT!! calm... I'm glad her financial problems are all cleared up. :D

HEY LISA, IF YOU'RE ON HERE, I JUST WANT TO PERSONALLY WELCOME YOU TO THE SECOND MOST COOLEST WEBSITE ON THE
PLANET (NEXT TO Y0URS)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what's your user-name, Lisa????? Can we PM you like crazy and tell you alllllllllllllllllll about our miserable gray little lives that are made liveable by your fantagoriffic presence??????!!!!!!:D


Btw, on my last message, I made a mistake, I meant to say
"a 'Might' is as good as a yes." 'Cause maybe means the same thing. I hope Lisa-Thon, if we still do it, doesn't conflict with OzzFest.

Ditto to that!

Originally posted by Blair's My Cherry Pie
HEY LISA, IF YOU'RE ON HERE, I JUST WANT TO PERSONALLY WELCOME YOU TO THE SECOND MOST COOLEST WEBSITE ON THE
PLANET (NEXT TO Y0URS)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what's your user-name, Lisa????? Can we PM you like crazy and tell you alllllllllllllllllll about our miserable gray little lives that are made liveable by your fantagoriffic presence??????!!!!!!:D


--Excactly what I was thinkin.

Originally posted by Blair's My Cherry Pie
HEY LISA, IF YOU'RE ON HERE, I JUST WANT TO PERSONALLY WELCOME YOU TO THE SECOND MOST COOLEST WEBSITE ON THE
PLANET (NEXT TO Y0URS)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what's your user-name, Lisa????? Can we PM you like crazy and tell you alllllllllllllllllll about our miserable gray little lives that are made liveable by your fantagoriffic presence??????!!!!!!:D


:rolleyes: Would you tell her that little song you pmed me once also?:lol:

OMG...If I was a celebrity I would so be afraid to register on message boards...especially one for a show I was in...I mean, think of the possibilities...if people saw where I lived they could look up my phone number and harrass me and stuff...I mean...WHOANESS!!lol...maybe I'm just over reacting...I am good at OVER dramatizing things...

Anyways, yea, Lisa said she might drop by...let's see...she got home around the time we had that whole hallmark fight thing:blush: oops...let's just hope she hasn't visited yet!;)
I do hope that she tells us when she visits though, even if she just posted as a guest or something...cause I for one would REALLY love to hear that she has come and read some stuff, you know.Who knows, maybe she'd become a regular poster...

but I guess, we can only wait for it...:lol: we might be waiting a while!;)

Originally posted by Blair's My Cherry Pie
Alicia Keys and Ozzy and his family said they MIGHT do it...



HAHA! My username and my buddy icon! lol Well, the icon is just Ozzy, but still!

I hope that she posts when she comes.

I hope she doesn't see that damn "Lisa and Family" fight...

What was that all about?

What the "Lisa and Family" fight was about on here, was a very
ugly, sickening hateful waste of space. If you haven't seen it, you're lucky. Some obnoxious idiots were ragging on Lisa and her family as being a bunch of over-priviledged God-brats. I get really upset still thinking about it.:livid:

Originally posted by Blair's My Cherry Pie
What the "Lisa and Family" fight was about on here, was a very
ugly, sickening hateful waste of space. If you haven't seen it, you're lucky. Some obnoxious idiots were ragging on Lisa and her family as being a bunch of over-priviledged God-brats. I get really upset still thinking about it.:livid:

I know what you mean. How could anybody be so cruel???

You know, Lisa seemed really anxious to me when I talked to her about coming here, I guess she wanted to meet some of her fans here.;) And see what we have been bragging about to her about too.:)

Grrr that's mean:mad: :livid:
those mean poopyheads.

ickyness...I don't appreciate that thread...glad it was closed...that was another one of those threads when I want to throw up my hands and say, "And do you think her fans care?"

Sometimes I don't know what it is with people. Of all people in the world, I never believed ANYONE, except the truly depraved and evil, would say a bad thing about Lisa. I really think these people, who CALL themselves "Christians", are really jealous that
she has been blessed by God while their own pathetic lives blow
Tender Chunks. And Lisa knows that she is responsible to God for
the blessings she receives, and wants her kids to know the Giver--and NOT feel they're merely entitled. I was reading over the response she had in her journal about the person who sent her a
critical e-mail which accused her of "lording over" her family's experiences of her road trip. She responded that she didn't her kids to ignore the blessing of God, that they must remain grateful.
I wish all people who call themselves Christians could be like Lisa.

Originally posted by Blair's My Cherry Pie
Sometimes I don't know what it is with people. Of all people in the world, I never believed ANYONE, except the truly depraved and evil, would say a bad thing about Lisa. I really think these people, who CALL themselves "Christians", are really jealous that
she has been blessed by God while their own pathetic lives blow
Tender Chunks. And Lisa knows that she is responsible to God for
the blessings she receives, and wants her kids to know the Giver--and NOT feel they're merely entitled. I was reading over the response she had in her journal about the person who sent her a
critical e-mail which accused her of "lording over" her family's experiences of her road trip. She responded that she didn't her kids to ignore the blessing of God, that they must remain grateful.
I wish all people who call themselves Christians could be like Lisa.

yea...I agree, very much so. It seems way too easy to say bad things and gossip about people when you are feeling down or, "nothing's going your way," and, sadly, many people do that. It's too bad...Lisa said when she was speaking at the "Family Dream Banquet" in Mt. Vernon that "celebrities are the last people we should be listening to," but, I think, in this case, a celebrity is the first person on EARTH we should look to. GO LISA!!:dance::dance::dance:

...

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
And **** all of you who don't agree.

Oh no I agree alright. And I believe we had that disscussion before in IM..... anyways I just hope Lisa doesn't see it or she's gonna be hurt. But I do agree

Well, I don't know that much about Lisa, so I'm not going to agree or disagree w/ anything. It seems to me like she's a decent person, and just trying to be good to her kids, but yeah, they do seem a lil' to sheltered imo. I do think it's nice that she's a celebrity who isn't on drugs, or divorced 17 times, or stuff like that. I do respect her for being a Christain celebrity. I feel bad for her going though bankruptcy because it ****ing sucks!!!!!!! I know that it can happen to people that don't run up big credit card bills and that kind of thing. Didn't she say in her jounal that she didn't have to go through it anymore? She's lucky if I read that correctly cause money problems are horrible, & I hope none of you ever have to go through probs like that.

My grandma, who went to catholic school (Immaculate COnception) believes in abstinence, never smoked, believes strongly in god and feels earrings are a sin, says LW is an extremest!

Originally posted by Blair85
Well, I don't know that much about Lisa, so I'm not going to agree or disagree w/ anything. It seems to me like she's a decent person, and just trying to be good to her kids, but yeah, they do seem a lil' to sheltered imo. I do think it's nice that she's a celebrity who isn't on drugs, or divorced 17 times, or stuff like that. I do respect her for being a Christain celebrity. I feel bad for her going though bankruptcy because it ****ing sucks!!!!!!! I know that it can happen to people that don't run up big credit card bills and that kind of thing. Didn't she say in her jounal that she didn't have to go through it anymore? She's lucky if I read that correctly cause money problems are horrible, & I hope none of you ever have to go through probs like that.

You are SO true about money problems. It always seemed to me like you fall into a hole and all the creditors surround that hole. Everytime that you try to climb out, it seems they push you back in.

I don't know that much about Lisa either. I've read one of her books, but other than that I don't know too much about her. It's rare to find a celebrity that does actually have a good head on her shoulders and isn't a drug addict or an alcoholic etc. It kind of gives me hope for the celebrity world. jmo

Originally posted by Blair's My Cherry Pie
Sometimes I don't know what it is with people. Of all people in the world, I never believed ANYONE, except the truly depraved and evil, would say a bad thing about Lisa. I really think these people, who CALL themselves "Christians", are really jealous that
she has been blessed by God while their own pathetic lives blow
Tender Chunks. And Lisa knows that she is responsible to God for
the blessings she receives, and wants her kids to know the Giver--and NOT feel they're merely entitled. I was reading over the response she had in her journal about the person who sent her a
critical e-mail which accused her of "lording over" her family's experiences of her road trip. She responded that she didn't her kids to ignore the blessing of God, that they must remain grateful.
I wish all people who call themselves Christians could be like Lisa.

I know I've already sent a few responses through this thread, but I found this quote interesting.

I don't claim to know every Christian in this world, but I have met some that seems so uppity. I'm not saying every Christian is uppity, but only a few. It just shocks me whenever I meet the people that claim to be Christian, and the way they act in return. I kind of get the feeling that they don't thank God for what they do get. I do think that's kind of wrong. You can get something taken away from you just as fast as you get it.

The people that read my post may think I'm jealous of people that seem to have everything, but I'm really not. I'm cool with whatever anybody else has. I'm happy for everybody. I'm happy for what I do have.

Just my opinion, and I hope it doesn't upset anybody.

Alot of christians have an attitude that if you dont have the exact same beliefs as them, god hates u. Ive met some NUNS who are very open minded and dont believe in everything in the bible, but ive met some people who assume since im catholic, i will never insult or be mean... Im sorry but isn't god asking a bit much?

You know something? I just happen to be the person who started the "Lisa and Family" post. That was back when I came here under the username Sourbabie - you know, before I was banned. My good friends Britt [Divisionbabe05] and Dana [Jinny Girl] were also involved and yes, we know we're evil. I don't care, I meant everything I said. I am not a Christian. I don't go to church, I don't pray... nothing! I am not going to believe in something that may or may not exist. How do we know if there is really a God and a Heaven and a Hell? WE DON'T KNOW! And Lisa is weird. She is just way too Christian. It's freaky! Her poor children. They're so sheltered and she's filling their heads with all this crap about religion! I'm so thankful everyday that I wasn't raised in a Christian family. I'm glad my parents aren't Jesus worshippers and I'm glad that they never tried to fill my head will bull ***** - like how God created the earth and people and blah blah blah. And what's all this crap about pre-marital sex being wrong? I don't think it's wrong at all! Actually, I think that waiting until marriage is wrong. I don't want to be a virgin my wedding night and I sure as hell don't want my husband to be one, either! I want a guy who is experienced and I want to be experienced as well. I don't want to wait until my wedding night only to have my husband be like, "Uh, where do I, like, put it?" NO THANK YOU!

Originally posted by shattered soul
You know something? I just happen to be the person who started the "Lisa and Family" post. That was back when I came here under the username Sourbabie - you know, before I was banned. My good friends Britt [Divisionbabe05] and Dana [Jinny Girl] were also involved and yes, we know we're evil. I don't care, I meant everything I said. I am not a Christian. I don't go to church, I don't pray... nothing! I am not going to believe in something that may or may not exist. How do we know if there is really a God and a Heaven and a Hell? WE DON'T KNOW! And Lisa is weird. She is just way too Christian. It's freaky! Her poor children. They're so sheltered and she's filling their heads with all this crap about religion! I'm so thankful everyday that I wasn't raised in a Christian family. I'm glad my parents aren't Jesus worshippers and I'm glad that they never tried to fill my head will bull ***** - like how God created the earth and people and blah blah blah. And what's all this crap about pre-marital sex being wrong? I don't think it's wrong at all! Actually, I think that waiting until marriage is wrong. I don't want to be a virgin my wedding night and I sure as hell don't want my husband to be one, either! I want a guy who is experienced and I want to be experienced as well. I don't want to wait until my wedding night only to have my husband be like, "Uh, where do I, like, put it?" NO THANK YOU!

Thats the funniest thing I ever heard! I do beleve in god and jesus and was raised that way and blah. I think that sex before marriage is ok... Dude when u think about it wee animals, a part of the mamal group, coexisting with other animals who donot have that limitation. its not fair that were the only of gods creatures who cant have sex. The bible was written by men not god. The only way we'll know if what is said is entirely true, is when I ask him in 80 years...

(hmmmm, thinks for a little while after reading over the posts)

There are two things that should never be discussed....That's religion and politics.



:confused:

I wish all people who call themselves Christians could be like Lisa.

Whoever said that, I totally agree with you! :)

Originally posted by Blair85
(hmmmm, thinks for a little while after reading over the posts)

There are two things that should never be discussed....That's religion and politics.



:confused:

and my dogs anus

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


and my dogs anus

I don't like dogs.

And crusty ****s.

Originally posted by shattered soul
And crusty ****s.

And mooses crust ****s

Okay... Whatever!

Yea yea yea, so I'm evil...what can I say? Look yall that was a year ago, can't ya just let it go?! We were just havin a lil fun. I still think she is a lil over-religious, but I got over it. Don't say I'm not a Christian, cuz well, I am. I'm not a hardcore, go to church every sunday, goody-goody Christian tho. I believe in God, I just dont spend every second thinkin what would jesus do. Its just not me and I'm not gonna apologize for bein me. I just dont think its right for people to have that holier-than-thou attitude. It pisses me off. Well thats my 69 cents...buh~bye.

I completley understand!

Originally posted by BonniesLilCutiePie
I wish all people who call themselves Christians could be like Lisa.

You immortal idiot, who'd WANNA be like Lisa? I'm sorry. I'm a Christian, but a small one at that. For the past year and a half, I've grown up hating God, Jesus, and the rest of the Holy Family up there, whoever the hell they may be. Not all Christians are like Lisa! There are many types!

There are ones who, like me, actually want their bellybutton pierced, like tattoos, dye their hair every color imaginable, and have 7 holes in their ear! I also believe in sex before marriage. I'm sick of this God awful (no pun intended) talk about how 'sex is a precious thing'.

I'm sorry, I'm not saying Christians are weird, don't get me wrong, but some of them are way too extreme. For example. You know how they say "Jesus makes you do everything" or some crap like that? Well I don't think Jesus makes me go and take a brownie off the counter, I think I go and take one because I'm hungry as hell! I mean Jesus....

I'm sorry if I offended anyone here but ya know what, that's my view on life. And I know for a fact here that people agree with me.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
who'd WANNA be like Lisa?

me....kinda....I don't want three kids, but, I would love to be as talented and successful and as Christian as Lisa...

I agree with people before that her kids are a TAD bit sheltered...but, it's not like they're going to die because of it. I mean, some people actually like to wait to teach thiir children about the world until they need to know about it. LIke, her kids aren't goign to be going off and living by themselves for a while, they have plenty of time to "learn about the World."

Well, I'm going to forget about the whole, "Lisa and Family" post and unless someone specifically makes a comment to me, I won't be posting here anymore either...I've said my 2 cents worth...

I could care less about that Lisa and Family post. Doesnt seem like anything that great if you ask me.

.

Originally posted by BonniesLilCutiePie
I wish all people who call themselves Christians could be like Lisa.

Whoever said that, I totally agree with you! :)

I agree too.

Originally posted by Blair85


I agree too.

I personally pray that lisa is the only one out there like her. I mean let's face it, she's against different religions. She was dateing a jewish dude once and broke up with him because she knew she could never marry him because he wasn't an over relogious christian nutbag. At the church i went to see her at, the pastor dude jumped around the sdtange with a magic marker, drawing crosses on a board and saying "We dissapoint Jesus every day of our lives, and every day we make Jesus sad." and lisa just smiled and nodded. Now you're telling me thats normal? And he kids are whack jobs too. Tucker (when he was 12) went to his mom and confessed that he looked at pictures of immodest girls at the beach, and so she made him pray. What about those booty shorts she used to be wearin huh? And he daughter once ASKED to be spanked because she was mean to the babysitter. And the other one said it doesnt matter what she does for a living, Just so long as it makes Jesus happy. I'm sorry but whatever psychopath feels that this is normal has issues.

Personally, I wish I was more like Lisa.

Originally posted by BonniesLilCutiePie
Personally, I wish I was more like Lisa.

I am going to prove something with her is abnormal. This will be long and boring.

From Creaive Correction Page 169:

"I realized the kids had probably gotten away with "Who Knows what" whhile we were gone and they'd be frustrated we were leaving again. I was especially worried about the baby sitter. Would she be able to handle them?
In an effort to work "damage control," I warned Tucker, "I really want you to do your best to obe the baby-sitter tonight.
"Well, Mom, I don't know if I can do that," he admitted.
My eyebrows rose. "Why?"
With a straight face, Tucker said, "There's so much foolishness built up in my heart, I don't think there's any room for goodness and wisdom."
"Then maybe we need to step into the bathroom and drive some of that foolishness out," I suggested.
Tucker's eyes widened. "W-wait a minute," he sputtered. "I feel the foolishness going away all by itself-the goodness is comeing in right now!"
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry."

At the time Tucker was prolly between 8-10. Do you hear the way he talks? Foolishness, goodness, wisdom??? And the way she threatened him. A good old ass whoopin and my kid will sit questly all night. Of couse he will, hes so ****in afraid of her! She treats him like dirt.

"... Suddenly, spankings, so effective in the past, just didn't work on him anymore. They actually made things worse. Id didn't matter how calmly and lovingly I administered the spanking; It just would send tucker further out of control, and we would both end up crying.
"It all came to a head one morning when steve called home from work. When I said "Hello," he knew something was wrong.
"I-I've spanked Tucker twice already and it's not even 9:30 yet," I blubbered."

If I were him, being spanked two times in probably the one hour I was awake, Id punch my mother. Locingly and clamly??/ ohhh ya.

"I love you huney! *whacks kid* thats right. *whacks kid* The bible says "Spare the rod and spoil the child! *whacks kid *that means I have to hurt you *whacks kid* or you'll go too hell.!!!"

Great way to get the kid into religion.

"........When I went to talk with Haven, I expected to be met with more screaming and crying. But instead she said "'pank me"
"Did miss Shawna spank you?" I queried, confused.
"No. 'Pank me," she urged once again.
We went back and fourth like this several times until I finally realized Haven wasn't talking about the baby-sitter. "Do you want mommy to spank you?" I asked, my jaw dropping in astonishment.
"Yes!" said Haven, and she jumped out of bed for her correction. Afterward, she locked her arms around me in a big bear hug."

A two year old girl requesting someone whacks her ass? You may call it whatever you like, but it's pure brainwashing.

"Now, Haven," I began, "why are you getting this correction?"
Her head hanging, she mumbled "because I went ahead and ate the popsickle even though Grandmother told me not too."
"Why was that wrong?" I persisted.
"Because Grandmother is my authority and I need to obey her."
I continued. "Why do you think she told you not to eat the Popsickle.
Haven stared at the floor. "because we're going to have dinner and it might ruin my appetite."
"Haven," I told her "I'm going to need to spank you because Proverbs 23:13-14 says, 'Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.' There may come a day when Grandmother tells you not to eat something because she knows it could make you sick. You must be in the habit of obeying her. Do you understand.
"Yes ma'am," she said quietly.
(several mor lines) "You need to ask Jesus to fogive you"

She made her daughter pray for forgiveness after she whacked her 8 times (shes only 8 yrs old) for eating a bunch of frosen water. Who here needs to ask forgiveness???

"Last week I spoke with a lovely christian mom in Oklahoma who said she could never "hit" one of her children-it would crush her. I resisted the urge to tell her that I don't hit my children either."

What do you call it, your hand is forcefully comeing in contact with their bodys and causing them pain. At one point she said he son thanked her and then thanked Jesus for being spanked. And lisa thinks spankin is a gife from god. Children are, so don't make their lives suck that bad.

And in the end of her boomthe punishment for forgetting to turn of the lights is a whole day without electricity. How moronic. id just say "remember, turn off the lights." if I have to be a mother like her to be christian, I don't want to be a christian mother.

Alright this is my hopefully last post on here cause if Lisa ever saw this, I'd be screwed because I still idolize her, but I just gotta tell ya.....

Er... I was once like Lisa. Not as..bad, but I was Jesus, um, obsessed. I grew up a little Catholic girl. I never swore, never lied, never did anything bad. I got so heavy into religion that my parents and I fought over it every day and every night, because I wanted to change religions, and finally my mother started considering a shrink for me. But then my whole life turned around and I said "Oh, what the hell" and blamed Jesus. And um, as you all can tell, I'm still pissed and blaming Him.

But moving along... some people are extreme. Some people are light. I'll even admit to you, I used to listen to Christian music..... Alright Jesus Christ, face it. I was a mini-Lisa.

But how did I turn against this all? Who knows. But now I just think Lisa is a bit extreme. I am agreeing with what Dana says cause.... it's true, and I cannot believe I used to be like that. This is my opinion people, and I don't care if you like it or not, but it's my life. I don't want any of you thinking I'm bashing Christians out there, but because I'm not. I just have a strong opinion on them.

:wave:

I am really sorry that there are many of you who have been left with a sour taste in your mouth about Lisa. I think if she knew how some of you felt, she would want to respond, if possible and offer helpful words.
I think you know some way of how Lisa thinks and writes. I even used to think, after reading "Creative Correction" that she seemed a little too hardcore with her kids. The thing that I have come away with is the sense that she has a great approach to how to raise her children without always having to physical force.
But I suppose that is beside the point. You who have followed her journal and listened to her confessions of not being the best example of a Christian have some idea of her candidness and honesty. It is these times where she learns and is most "herself".
It is not all about the fun times, the blessings, not about being superior to all of us ordinary hacks.
I know that Karli has had some problems at home that keeps her from really experiencing the fullness of Christ in her life. She begins to doubt God, begins to doubt Lisa, thinks it's all nonsense. I don't know how to point you in the right direction,
Karli, especially because I have had those moments of doubt and discouragement. And I think you know that if there was anyone who had a reason to give up on God and Lisa, it was me. Just one year ago, I was about to give up on her once and for all. Years ago I had met her at her church which led to some unpleasant results. I was devastated beyond anything I had ever experience. She and others there didn't understand me, and figured me to be some "troublemaker". But one year ago, before I gave up on her altogether, I decided to go up to Bellingham, WA., to see her, and it was a really great experience.
I don't know what to say that can make you people give Lisa a chance. I know it seems like she's an "above-it-all" kind of star, but God is faithful not to give us just good things, but also allows bad things in our lives to keep things in perspective. I know it's been said before, but if we didn't have bad things, how could we appreciate the good? (There's a Bevis and Butthead joke in there somewhere. ) If things were all good, there probably wouldn't be much of a need for God.
So Karli, I think maybe you have had the wrong idea about being
a "mini-Lisa". It's not all about being good and perfect and wholesome. Remember what she told me in Eugene, you have the choice of accepting that God loves you and that Jesus died for your sins. If you reject what she has to tell you, you will end up
bitter. I don't know how else to tell you, and maybe this doesn't make much sense. But I have always believed you were a person of hope.

Well... Karly... I was almost like that... Then again, I was a wiccan for a week wanted to be jewish at one point and like stopped believing in god for a few months. Now I am catholic agaim... I guess it was just a phase of trying to find what was right for me... And No Offense but you were kind of obsessed with religion... but i dont think its jesus's fault but oh well... Everyones entitled to believe what they want. Well now that Ive been confusing...

What I wanted to say is To Blairs my Cherry Pie.... You talk about her like she's god. she aint that great.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
Well... Karly... I was almost like that... Then again, I was a wiccan for a week wanted to be jewish at one point and like stopped believing in god for a few months. Now I am catholic agaim... I guess it was just a phase of trying to find what was right for me... And No Offense but you were kind of obsessed with religion... but i dont think its jesus's fault but oh well... Everyones entitled to believe what they want. Well now that Ive been confusing...

What I wanted to say is To Blairs my Cherry Pie.... You talk about her like she's god. she aint that great.

I know I said I wouldn't post again, but, "I can't hold my tongue any longer!"

1.) Yes, it could be a phase Karly is going through(we agree on something!), I went through a similiar one before figuring out that, I HAVE to be Baptist, whether I wanna be or not, cause my dad is a Pastor and I'm not old enough to live by myself and one of the rules of our family is that we have to go to church(basically everytime the doors are open)I got used to it...I'm not an overly obsessed religious person, but I love Jesus and I'm proud of it.

2.)To what you said to, "Blair's My Cherry Pie"- Have you ever thought someone was absolutely terrific? Like, we'll say...Nancy McKeon...and did you ever run into someone who didn't like her much at all like say....Me or Chris? Different people mean different things to other people...hence, to "Blair's My Cherry Pie" Lisa might be the next best thing to God/Jesus/The Holy Sprit...where as, you don't like Lisa at all...(or not very much) all a matter of opinion!!!

ok..sorry..you can ignore this if ya want, since I know I said I wouldn't post...I just hadta get that offa my chest...

well i used to idolize nancy but i never really compared stopping being obsessed with her and giving up religion. I dont wanna be insulting at this moment.. I just thought the way she worded it "Giving up on lisa" and "Youll become bitter if u dont listen to her" sounded... weerd.

I DON'T think Lisa's a god, like I said, she has problems and she's human, and I have been disappointed with her many times. But
the more I understand her, I really appreciate her.


So in what way is she "not that great"?? You don't understand her like I do, or a lot of us do.

Originally posted by Blair's My Cherry Pie
I DON'T think Lisa's a god, like I said, she has problems and she's human, and I have been disappointed with her many times. But
the more I understand her, I really appreciate her.


So in what way is she "not that great"?? You don't understand her like I do, or a lot of us do.

ive met her just like you and IMO even if real life her views on stuff are abnormal. And she spakes her kids IMO its child abuse.

Well, no one is perfect.

Originally posted by BonniesLilCutiePie
Well, no one is perfect.

and you my freind, are the farthest thing from perfect to ever walk the face of the earth.

Ok, I have to say something...

I think it's so sad alot of you think Lisa is "Abnormal"...I personally beleive that Lisa is the closest thing to a model Christian. I myself am Catholic, and think that Lisa trully see's God for who he is. Y'all might think I am a "harddcore" christian, I pray the rosary and read the bible every day, and go t church every sunday...and SO beleive that sex before marriage is PURE EVIL, It is just so wrong to me... It is beyond words... I mean what is this Sodom and Gorrmorrah??? lol I also am against the theory of evolution, although I am taught it is true, I think evolution is a total scam. But everyone has there own beleives and I cannot make anyone beleive everything I do, But I make it my efforts to try to make the world "wholesome"... I admit I do sin, and get made fun of because of what I beleive, But wanna know what I dont care! I think y'all should lay off Lisa, She is doing the best she can, and I have to say she has done a verry good job at that. And Lisa's kids seem like the nicest kids ever, I hope when I have children I can have a similiar influence as Lisa has had on hers... I don't know, That's just how I personally feel...

J.D.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
Alright this is my hopefully last post on here cause if Lisa ever saw this, I'd be screwed because I still idolize her, but I just gotta tell ya.....

Er... I was once like Lisa. Not as..bad, but I was Jesus, um, obsessed. I grew up a little Catholic girl. I never swore, never lied, never did anything bad. I got so heavy into religion that my parents and I fought over it every day and every night, because I wanted to change religions, and finally my mother started considering a shrink for me. But then my whole life turned around and I said "Oh, what the hell" and blamed Jesus. And um, as you all can tell, I'm still pissed and blaming Him.



:wave:

It seems that we share kind of similar stories. The beginning of mine is a bit different and so is the middle of my story. I went to church very few times when I was younger. I told lies and I swore, so I wasn't such a perfect child growing up. My life started to get really crappy to say in the least and I think I really turned my back on religion. I'm not sure who I was angrier with. God, myself or my parents or just at the world itself.

Lately, my parents have started to go to church and this is where the arguments came into my family at. I didn't want to go to church. I just don't feel comfortable in a church. I'm sure people that are reading this post are probably wondering if I hardly went to church to start with, how does she even remember if she felt comfortable to start with? I really don't know how to explain that answer. I've wrote about it in my diary, but if I posted it here it would probably make me and a few people feel uncomfortable. I don't want to do that, so all I can say is just trust me on the matter.

I hope this doesn't sound like a preaching post either, because I really don't mean for it to be. I just responded to Karli's post because I didn't think someone on the board would know what I'm going through. I haven't seen too many religion posts on any of the boards, so I didn't know how everybody felt about religion.

I can see what everybody is saying about Lisa's family about how they are really going to be messed up when they really hit the real world. I've read everybody's opinion and I agree somewhat with some of the posts. It's just that people can't live in a plastic bubble all during their life and not hit some pins that bust the bubble. Reading over the last sentence, I think that would probably sum up my childhood and teenage years. I lived in a plastic bubble. The bubble busted and left me out in the coldness of the real world.

I don't want to diss Lisa or her family, because she is raising them either like she was raised or whatever. I've already said in a few post back that I don't know too much about Lisa, so maybe thats why I keep my mouth shut on the whole family concept. I've never had kids and I'm not going to have a child anytime soon, so I'm clueless when it comes to raising kids.

I'm sorry I talked so much in this post. I hope most of my post is pretty understandable since its past midnight, and sometimes thats when my mind blanks out the most. lol

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


I am going to prove something with her is abnormal. This will be long and boring.

From Creaive Correction Page 169:

"I realized the kids had probably gotten away with "Who Knows what" whhile we were gone and they'd be frustrated we were leaving again. I was especially worried about the baby sitter. Would she be able to handle them?
In an effort to work "damage control," I warned Tucker, "I really want you to do your best to obe the baby-sitter tonight.
"Well, Mom, I don't know if I can do that," he admitted.
My eyebrows rose. "Why?"
With a straight face, Tucker said, "There's so much foolishness built up in my heart, I don't think there's any room for goodness and wisdom."
"Then maybe we need to step into the bathroom and drive some of that foolishness out," I suggested.
Tucker's eyes widened. "W-wait a minute," he sputtered. "I feel the foolishness going away all by itself-the goodness is comeing in right now!"
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry."

At the time Tucker was prolly between 8-10. Do you hear the way he talks? Foolishness, goodness, wisdom??? And the way she threatened him. A good old ass whoopin and my kid will sit questly all night. Of couse he will, hes so ****in afraid of her! She treats him like dirt.

"... Suddenly, spankings, so effective in the past, just didn't work on him anymore. They actually made things worse. Id didn't matter how calmly and lovingly I administered the spanking; It just would send tucker further out of control, and we would both end up crying.
"It all came to a head one morning when steve called home from work. When I said "Hello," he knew something was wrong.
"I-I've spanked Tucker twice already and it's not even 9:30 yet," I blubbered."

If I were him, being spanked two times in probably the one hour I was awake, Id punch my mother. Locingly and clamly??/ ohhh ya.

"I love you huney! *whacks kid* thats right. *whacks kid* The bible says "Spare the rod and spoil the child! *whacks kid *that means I have to hurt you *whacks kid* or you'll go too hell.!!!"

Great way to get the kid into religion.

"........When I went to talk with Haven, I expected to be met with more screaming and crying. But instead she said "'pank me"
"Did miss Shawna spank you?" I queried, confused.
"No. 'Pank me," she urged once again.
We went back and fourth like this several times until I finally realized Haven wasn't talking about the baby-sitter. "Do you want mommy to spank you?" I asked, my jaw dropping in astonishment.
"Yes!" said Haven, and she jumped out of bed for her correction. Afterward, she locked her arms around me in a big bear hug."

A two year old girl requesting someone whacks her ass? You may call it whatever you like, but it's pure brainwashing.

"Now, Haven," I began, "why are you getting this correction?"
Her head hanging, she mumbled "because I went ahead and ate the popsickle even though Grandmother told me not too."
"Why was that wrong?" I persisted.
"Because Grandmother is my authority and I need to obey her."
I continued. "Why do you think she told you not to eat the Popsickle.
Haven stared at the floor. "because we're going to have dinner and it might ruin my appetite."
"Haven," I told her "I'm going to need to spank you because Proverbs 23:13-14 says, 'Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.' There may come a day when Grandmother tells you not to eat something because she knows it could make you sick. You must be in the habit of obeying her. Do you understand.
"Yes ma'am," she said quietly.
(several mor lines) "You need to ask Jesus to fogive you"

She made her daughter pray for forgiveness after she whacked her 8 times (shes only 8 yrs old) for eating a bunch of frosen water. Who here needs to ask forgiveness???

"Last week I spoke with a lovely christian mom in Oklahoma who said she could never "hit" one of her children-it would crush her. I resisted the urge to tell her that I don't hit my children either."

What do you call it, your hand is forcefully comeing in contact with their bodys and causing them pain. At one point she said he son thanked her and then thanked Jesus for being spanked. And lisa thinks spankin is a gife from god. Children are, so don't make their lives suck that bad.

And in the end of her boomthe punishment for forgetting to turn of the lights is a whole day without electricity. How moronic. id just say "remember, turn off the lights." if I have to be a mother like her to be christian, I don't want to be a christian mother.

Jesus! That is freaky. Her kids asked to be spanked? Spanking is a gift from God? Eating a popsicle is a sin and you should ask for forgiveness? You're going to spank your kid for having a foolish heart? LISA WHELCHEL IS A FREAK! Plain and simple. She's a lunatic. Oh my freaking god, that scares the hell out of me... knowing how she is. What a weirdo! Her kids are going to need therapy when they grow up. Lisa needs to be locked up in a cage! Stupid psychotic freak.

Okay, I'm going to share some more of my thoughts...

I have a relative who is an extremely devout Christian, like Lisa. This relative of mine doesn't believe in television, won't let her children wear tank tops or shorts, and she thinks that slow dancing is, and I quote her, "the devil'. That is freaky! It's not right. I cannot stand being around her because her stupid Christian ways drive me insane. I don't mind Christians, but extreme ones like that are really obnoxious and freaky. I never ever want to be like that. If I ever had children, I wouldn't brainwash them like that and put them through that type of torture. I am not a Christian. I am agnostic. I don't believe in God, Heaven, Hell and all of that stuff, but I haven't given up on the idea of those things existing, either. I cuss... I believe in premarital sex and body piercings and tattoos... I constantly use the lord's name in vain [usually Jesus f*cking Christ and goddamnit - those sayings are my favorites!]. I don't find anything wrong with these things and I don't see why God or Jesus or Lisa or whoever else thinks they're wrong. I think that organized religion in itself is ridiculous. I think that devoting your life to Jesus and shutting out the world is stupid and idiotic. People like Lisa need to wake up and realize that there is a big world out there full of lots of ugly, cruel, gruesome things. It's like she's trying to hide from reality; Like she's trying to shield her kids from the truth. It's senseless! I am so glad that I'm not a Christian. No offense to all you other Christians out there, though. I know that there are people as extreme as Lisa out there and I hope that I never come in contact with them because of I do, I will probably go crazy and attack them. Lisa is weird. She needs to be institutionalized. Her children need to know what the real world is like.

Here is a conversation that Dana [Jinny Girl] and I had on AIM...

Dana: "my struggles with haven didnt end there, however. The next thing i knew, she was asking to call brandon too see whether he was home from vacation. I explained that in our family, girls would not call boys"
Dana: how primative
Me: holy s**t!
Me: ya know?
Me: i hope haven grows up to be a lesbian
Me: then lisa will learn her lesson
Dana: And i hope tucker dyes his hair green and pierces his shlong, and Clancy gets pregnant at 16... oh that would be so funnay

I hope ALL of those things happen, just to spite Lisa! Then her precious little Holy world will come crashing down. I can't wait until her kids realize that there is a big word out there and that they aren't living life. I hope they go out and do all sorts of things that go against Lisa's beliefs. Hahaha!

Originally posted by shattered soul


Jesus! That is freaky. Her kids asked to be spanked? Spanking is a gift from God? Eating a popsicle is a sin and you should ask for forgiveness? You're going to spank your kid for having a foolish heart? LISA WHELCHEL IS A FREAK! Plain and simple. She's a lunatic. Oh my freaking god, that scares the hell out of me... knowing how she is. What a weirdo! Her kids are going to need therapy when they grow up. Lisa needs to be locked up in a cage! Stupid psychotic freak.

L.... O.... L... Omg if lisa saw this she;s prolly saw "God can see as you sin at this very moment, and I only hope you grow and mature, and have the ability to change the way that you speak and respect your elders, before you are destined to spend your eternal life in hell."

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


L.... O.... L... Omg if lisa saw this she;s prolly saw "God can see as you sin at this very moment, and I only hope you grow and mature, and have the ability to change the way that you speak and respect your elders, before you are destined to spend your eternal life in hell."

Haha! Good, I hope that Lisa sees it. If she has a problem with what I have to say than she can just take her bible and shove it up her arse!

Originally posted by shattered soul

Here is a conversation that Dana [Jinny Girl] and I had on AIM...

Dana: "my struggles with haven didnt end there, however. The next thing i knew, she was asking to call brandon too see whether he was home from vacation. I explained that in our family, girls would not call boys"
Dana: how primative
Me: holy s**t!
Me: ya know?
Me: i hope haven grows up to be a lesbian
Me: then lisa will learn her lesson
Dana: And i hope tucker dyes his hair green and pierces his shlong, and Clancy gets pregnant at 16... oh that would be so funnay

I hope ALL of those things happen, just to spite Lisa! Then her precious little Holy world will come crashing down. I can't wait until her kids realize that there is a big word out there and that they aren't living life. I hope they go out and do all sorts of things that go against Lisa's beliefs. Hahaha!

I made a promise (and even told me mother this, and she thought it would be a good plan), to myself that if she ever moved here (nice rich people suburbia.) that I would pierce her sons ear, die his hair bright red, take him to the beach and wear a bikini in front on him and him mom so they could bitch about my immodesty, and pierce his ears and take him to one of those illegal places and make him get his nose pierced. Id turn him into a weirdo. then id send him home and see wat lisa does... thats my dream, that and to be a controversal rock star hated by parents... I have a weerd mind..

Originally posted by shattered soul


Haha! Good, I hope that Lisa sees it. If she has a problem with what I have to say than she can just take her bible and shove it up her arse!

Thats no place for her beloved holy book! She should sit in burning coals then allow her kids to her her on the ass repetatively.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


I made a promise (and even told me mother this, and she thought it would be a good plan), to myself that if she ever moved here (nice rich people suburbia.) that I would pierce her sons ear, die his hair bright red, take him to the beach and wear a bikini in front on him and him mom so they could bitch about my immodesty, and pierce his ears and take him to one of those illegal places and make him get his nose pierced. Id turn him into a weirdo. then id send him home and see wat lisa does... thats my dream, that and to be a controversal rock star hated by parents... I have a weerd mind..

That's an excellent idea! I'd take Clancy and Haven to the mall, buy them midriff-bearing shirts and skin tight booty shorts, shave Clancy's head bald and give Haven a rainbow colored mohawk, pierce their belly buttons, noses, tongues and eyebrows, hook them up w/big fat 25 year old bikers w/long greasy hair and tattoos all over and then I would take them home and they would have sex w/the bikers right on the front lawn of their house! And Lisa would be standing there the entire time and she would vomit all over the place and gouge her eyes out, saying "LORD I HAVE SEEN THE DEVIL HIMSELF IN MY CHILDREN AND THESE EYES HAVE BEEN POISONED, SO NOW I MUST GET RID OF THEM!"

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


Thats no place for her beloved holy book! She should sit in burning coals then allow her kids to her her on the ass repetatively.

The kids would all line up and say, "Haha, mother! Now YOU'RE going to finally get YOUR ass-whoopin'!" and then they would all take turns smacking her ass with the bible. Ahh, a Kodak moment...

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