I didn't see anything on this forum about this, so apologize if it has already been posted. I signed up for Discovery + to watch an episode of a show a week or so ago. Anyway, while browsing discovery + I noticed a new documentary on the death of Keith Warren. It is called "Uprooted" and is a 3 part documentary, each episode nearly an hour each. Very well made documentary and very thorough. It looks as though it's an "exclusive" for Discovery +

I didn't see anything on this forum about this, so apologize if it has already been posted. I signed up for Discovery + to watch an episode of a show a week or so ago. Anyway, while browsing discovery + I noticed a new documentary on the death of Keith Warren. It is called "Uprooted" and is a 3 part documentary, each episode nearly an hour each. Very well made documentary and very thorough. It looks as though it's an "exclusive" for Discovery +

I have been following this case since I was a kid. What a great find thanks for sharing. I just signed up for a free trial just so I can watch this. About to watch now!

Wow, gotta watch. Surprised his sister didn't mention it.

Wow, gotta watch. Surprised his sister didn't mention it.


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Sherri Warren used to post on this board not long ago.

I watched the entire 3 hours documentary yesterday and it was so well done. I was extremely impressed. It took me aback to see what Sherri looks like today. She was drop dead gorgeous in the UM segment all those years ago and now she doesn't even look like it could be the same person. She has really taken on her mother's grief and burden. I pray for her that she is able to take care of herself and move on in some capacity. From the looks of her she never married or had children which is sad.

There were a lot of new information we were not privy to in the UM segment.

Keith's faither believed he committed suicide and alleged that Keith had been in a psychiatric hospital in New Jersey for an undisclosed amount of time.

Sherri was gone to live with the father for the summer as she had always done when Keith went missing and was found dead. Very telling that Keith was not visiting his father.

I found it extremely odd that Cleo Waddell Warren (Keith's dad) has never publicly appeared or assisted his ex wife in any way to find out what happened to Keith. Apparently he accepted the botched investigation the cops did and moved on with his life.

All of Keith's friends were white as mentioned in the UM segment. None of them would talk to the private investigator that Mary Couey had hired and two of them even went and got lawyers. One of the friends does appear in voice only and anonymous and he was very vague in answering questions.

Something Mr. Anonymous did reveal was that Keith's closest friends were all girls but he was not dating any of them. He said it in a way to insinuate that Keith was probably gay. Which I have never considered.

Sherri's entire family seems very supportive and close knit. Her uncle mentioned how Keith internalized everything and was very quiet and to himself. It seems to me the family did not want to publicly acknowledge that Keith was gay for whatever reason. Might explain why he and his father had such a volatile relationship. African American fathers have a hard time accepted their sons are gay and it is very possible Keith and his father fell into this demographic as well.

Mary Couey kept all of her research about Keith in a crate in her car's trunk and her car was vandalized and a lot of papers and her purse was stolen. She infamous pictures that appeared on her doorstep were in the purse and had been stolen. They were the only copies she had. Whoever stole the purse actually anonymously turned the pictures over to a civil rights advocate.

I found that to be very interesting. If the average person finds photos like that they would usually turn them in to the police not a civil rights advocate. The envelope had Mary's name on it and so maybe they did their research and knew better than to send them to the corrupt cops.

Apparently Mary Couey was very kind hearted and felt if she was nice and non threatening she could get help with Keith's death. Sherri said a lot of people took her mother's kindness for weakness. Sherri is very confrontational and direct and she has made it her passion to find out what happened to Keith. I feel sorry for her because she is filled with so much hurt and anger. She said she has nothing to lose because she lost her mom and her brother now.

It was said that the police had a party when they found out Mary Couey was dead. This is so sad and horrible. From everything that has been revealed we know Keith did not kill himself or put himself in that tree. He wasn't even hoisted up off the ground. He was hanging in almost a sitting position with his feet on the ground. No one can hang themselves that way. The leaves on his back were also very telling.

It still boggles my mind why someone felt the need to put Keith in an entirely different outfit but leave his original clothes near by. Had he got sick and regurgitated on his clothing? Did someone wash his clothes and decide to just leave him in the clothing they put on him? It just doesn't make sense. Could Keith had been sexually assaulted? Most people who are sexually assaulted are found naked. Something just isn't right about them changing his clothing.

I am starting to think Keith was either partying with friends doing drugs and overdosed or something more sinister was done with his body. If the friends panicked and put him in the tree they were likely young and naive to not realized that this was going to backfire. Hanging a black man in a tree would cause even more problems for them because now it looks like a lynching.

I don't believe Keith was lynched at all and I think whoever staged the hanging didn't even realize what their actions would be perceived as. The autopsy showed no signs of trauma to the body and there were no neck fractures or hemorraghing to the eyes or neck area; common in strangulation.

Perhaps Keith's friends lawyered up simply because of the optics of how he was found dead. Either way this was not a lynching. Keith either accidentally died and his friends tried to cover it up or he was the victim of foul play.

Now if this had been a hate crime to me there would have been trauma to the body. He would have been beaten and probably hung alive or atleast hung post-mortem with enough effort to cause trauma.

The fact his body was fully intact without any trauma leads me to believe Keith was either poisoned by someone who was jealous of him or he was using drugs and OD'd at someone's home who wanted no parts of that fall out.

Keith was 19, a month shy of going off to college, he owned a Corvette, he was nice looking, middle class, very popular within his school and neighborhood. Perhaps someone got jealous of him and needed/wanted him out of the way.

The fact the anonymous friend was insinuating Keith was gay and there was never any talk about Keith having a girlfriend leads me to believe Keith probably was gay and maybe he messed around with the wrong guy.

The group of black kids looking for Keith was also very interesting considering all of Keith's friends were black. Had they got their hands on Keith I feel like he would have been beat and or shot not poisoned. A group of guys looking to kill another young man are going to rough him up a bit there would have been trauma to his body.

Mark Findley was also another interesting lead. He was frantically looking for Keith before he died. Was he trying to warn Keith of the group of guys looking for him or warn him about another threat? Ot was he looking for Keith to harm him? The call about him wanting to unload was also interesting. Mary Couey naively turned the recording over to the police and they refused to acknowledge it and denied she ever gave it to them. Mark's death was very suspect. He was murdered and they disguised it as a freak bicycle accident?

Apparently the Coroner who was in charge during Keith's death is now on trial due to botching a lot of deaths of black men in Maryland and not investigating them properly.

The motivations for that police cover up is also very telling. The optics of Keith's death make it look like a lynching. I think the police went above and beyond not to investigate and to classify it as a suicide simply based on the optics alone. They didn't want to draw attention to a possible lynching. There were friends who were never questioned. There were lies in all of the police files. They said they spoke with people they never talked to. It was very bizarre and lazy. Marcus Jones is a complete joke. I could not stand to watch him come up on the screen.

UM never interviewed the EMT worker who is in this documentary who said from the beginning that Keith did not committ suicide. He said the media suppressed Keith's murder and there was only a small blip in a newspaper a week later about Keith.

After watching this documentary and processing everything I can honestly say it is likely that Sherri Warren will never know what happened to her brother. The friends til this day refuse to talk in fear for their safety they claim. So if they truly are afraid who exactly are they afraid of?

I feel that Keith may have got himself caught up in an occult scandal, a same sex relationship that went awry, or a drug overdose. The things that were done with his body did not make sense. Unless this new documentary tugs at someone's heartstrings and they come forward I do not feel this case will ever be solved because no one is talking.

This case always reminded me of Kurt Silva's case. If Keith had just died of an overdose why take the time to stage the suicide? If this was a group of young kids they would have just dumped the body in the woods and took off. Someone went to great lengths to make this look like a suicide.

This case always reminded me of Kurt Silva's case. If Keith had just died of an overdose why take the time to stage the suicide? If this was a group of young kids they would have just dumped the body in the woods and took off. Someone went to great lengths to make this look like a suicide.

Thanks so much for the write-up, infinityluxe! Really appreciate that.

And you're spot on 110%. Keith Warren's situation is very similar to Kurt Silva's. Since no damage was found on the body I'm going to assume he died of drugs/alcohol and the "hanging" was a red-herring to throw heat off of the people he was with when he died.

Why would they do that? Dunno. Perhaps they had illegal drugs and didn't want to get investigated and in trouble

Thanks so much for the write-up, infinityluxe! Really appreciate that.

And you're spot on 110%. Keith Warren's situation is very similar to Kurt Silva's. Since no damage was found on the body I'm going to assume he died of drugs/alcohol and the "hanging" was a red-herring to throw heat off of the people he was with when he died.

Why would they do that? Dunno. Perhaps they had illegal drugs and didn't want to get investigated and in trouble

No problem. What is your take on them changing his clothing? His original clothing was turned over to his mother and she was told it was what he was wearing. However; in the pictures he has on entirely different clothing that was not his.

No problem. What is your take on them changing his clothing? His original clothing was turned over to his mother and she was told it was what he was wearing. However; in the pictures he has on entirely different clothing that was not his.

It's hard to say since we really don't know how Keith died since he wasn't given an official autopsy. However, I'm going to assume that his original clothing had something incriminating on it (vomit, blood, etc) that either would make it look like it wasn't a suicide, or something incriminating that could be traced back to whoever hung him on the tree.

Whoever was around Keith when he died, or killed him didn't want him to be found in his original clothes because they probably were stained or ripped and they didn't want his death being investigated as a murder so they wouldn't be suspected by the police.

They probably destroyed the clothes he was wearing, and then dressed him in some random clothes they had laying around. I'm assuming the reason why his boots and jacket were placed near his body was because they were clean and didn't contain anything incriminating on them

Keith Warren's situation is very similar to Kurt Silva's. Since no damage was found on the body I'm going to assume he died of drugs/alcohol and the "hanging" was a red-herring to throw heat off of the people he was with when he died.

Why would they do that? Dunno. Perhaps they had illegal drugs and didn't want to get investigated and in trouble

That's what it always appeared to me as well. This is a Kurt Sova situation only the coverup was much more organized. Although, unlike the Kurt Sova segment, UM makes no mention of when Keith was last seen, when he last had contact with his family, who was the last to see him alive and who did he attend the party with?

I also wonder what the point was of sending the pictures of Keith hanging by the tree to his family members, other than to terrorize them.

I also wonder what the point was of sending the pictures of Keith hanging by the tree to his family members, other than to terrorize them.

The later investigator in the segment had said that the police department admitted that the photos that were sent to Keith' s mother were from the police department prints.

I'm assuming a police officer who knew the case was being mishandled had sent her the photos showing the different angles to verify that it wasnt a suicide, but didn' t want to be known as they didn't want to get heat from the PD.

I think whoever sent the prints was trying to help the mother rather than torture her. Those prints were the reason she got a private investigator, and his corpse exhumed for a different autopsy which had found the chemicals in his system

Youre right about the case not having much information which makes it seem way more terrifying than what it is. I personally think that Keith was partying and died from a drug ooverdose, and the people he was with "hung" him from a tree to throw off suspicion so they wouldnt get in trouble ala Kurt Sova

I don't see some vicious, thugged out killers bothering to change his clothes, and take the time to " hang" him from a tree. Whoever hung him had to be physically weak, or fewer in numbers as they didnt even bother to hang him from a tree that would make sense. They just stood him up and tied a rope around a tiny tree that was bending under his weight

I don't see some vicious, thugged out killers bothering to change his clothes, and take the time to " hang" him from a tree. Whoever hung him had to be physically weak, or fewer in numbers as they didnt even bother to hang him from a tree that would make sense. They just stood him up and tied a rope around a tiny tree that was bending under his weight

Ugh...the tree always seemed like a giant red flag to me seeing how small it was.

I really need to watch these three episodes.

Ugh...the tree always seemed like a giant red flag to me seeing how small it was.

I really need to watch these three episodes.

Yeah, the tree was ridiculous. And I've never heard of anyone hanging themselves with their feet on the ground, he's not even hanging, just being held in place.

I want to watch them too, but I don't have discovery+

On Discovery Plus, they showing a 3 part series investigation on the death of Keith Warren, the young man who was found hung in a tree. I always found this case interesting on Unsolved Mysteries. About to watch it now, I hope his mom is still alive and in this documentary too…

On Discovery Plus, they showing a 3 part series investigation on the death of Keith Warren, the young man who was found hung in a tree. I always found this case interesting on Unsolved Mysteries. About to watch it now, I hope his mom is still alive and in this documentary too…

This was posted in another thread and we had a discussion about it.

Its a very good special. Sadly Keith's mother died in 2009.

I feel bad for his sister she seems so bitter and angry.

Looks like she never married or had children either.

To look at her on UM segment and look at her now she looks like a totally different person. She was drop dead gorgeous in her youth and sadly she looks really bad.

I hope she finds answers and gets justice for her loved one, but I feel sad she has consumed herself with his murder (which I believe it was). Keith would have wanted her to move on with her life.

One thing I have found very strange about this case is that Keith's father has never surfaced even though he was still in his children's lives. He also accepted Keith committed suicide and refused to help his ex wife find answers as to what could have happened to Keith.

Oh ok thanks for that, I will try to find that thread on the message on look for it, so many threads on here lol. Yeah I remember his sister being a cute girl during the the UM segment too. Sorry to hear the mother passed away, way before this documentary and never getting closure on what actually happened to her son.

This is an excellent documentary. I don't know how anyone can think it was a suicide. There was clearly foul play or the scene was staged. Hopefully Sherri can get justice for her brother one day. It was interesting when she mentioned that she got in it a little bit with some people on some online forums. I wonder if she was talking about this place.

Does anyone remember if they mentioned the location for the graves of Keith and his mother Mary Couey? I think they are in North Carolina. I suggested to Lamont At Large that he feature the case on his YouTube channel, but Find a Grave doesn't list the location. It looks like they are at a smaller cemetery for the Harris family.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/86106472/keith-waddell-warren
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153737558/mary-elizabeth-couey

Sherri and some of the same people were featured in the first episode The Injustice Files in 2012. It's on the ID site and discovery+.

At the End of a Rope
Filmmaker Keith Beauchamp investigates four mysterious hanging deaths that have taken place within the last 30 years: Keith Warren (1986), Raynard Johnson (2000), Izell Parrott (2005) and Frederick Jermaine Carter (2010).

https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/show/injustice-files-investigation-discovery-atve-us
https://www.amazon.com/At-End-Rope/dp/B092LDWWMK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=25786U9CXY97W&keywords=injustice+files&qid=1647197202&s=instant-video&sprefix=injustice+files%2Cinstant-video%2C79&sr=1-1

I have researched and read lots about this case over the years and absolutely no disrespect to Keith or his family but I have gotten some homosexual vibes from him. I know two different dudes that commit suicide due to this in HS....also from what I understand being gay is a lot less tolerated in the black community, not to mention this is before it was more accepted and LGBTQ etc so the pressure felt by people (especially young) was overbearing and sometimes too much to take.

If true, it could have very well been painful enough for him to make that decision. Again, I didnt know Keith but based on certain bits of information I've come across it has caused me to think that its a possibility.
My second theory is like others have said - he ODed around friends and they didnt want to get into trouble...same as Kurt Sova.

I was still confused about those guys in the back of the picture with Keith hanging? Who were they? Why no on recognize them?

I have researched and read lots about this case over the years and absolutely no disrespect to Keith or his family but I have gotten some homosexual vibes from him. I know two different dudes that commit suicide due to this in HS....also from what I understand being gay is a lot less tolerated in the black community, not to mention this is before it was more accepted and LGBTQ etc so the pressure felt by people (especially young) was overbearing and sometimes too much to take.

If true, it could have very well been painful enough for him to make that decision. Again, I didnt know Keith but based on certain bits of information I've come across it has caused me to think that its a possibility.
My second theory is like others have said - he ODed around friends and they didnt want to get into trouble...same as Kurt Sova.

I think there are too many circumstances that point to a Kurt Sova like coverup. But it's still entirely possible Keith could have been gay. He was just a month shy of going away to college. And gay kids, even in the 80's, felt a little more freedom in college as it was much easier to connect with each other than it was in high school. If he was closeted, he was about to be given opportunities he hadn't had up to that point.

But whether he was straight or gay, the end result was still the same. And my belief was that it had nothing to do with his sexuality.

I was still confused about those guys in the back of the picture with Keith hanging? Who were they? Why no on recognize them?


I believe it was the man that showed the cops where to find the body or something along those lines ...the fact that he is present in crime scene photos is just sloppy police work.

Wow, gotta watch. Surprised his sister didn't mention it.
Hi.. I posted it on another thread. I should have made a new thread for it.

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Sherri Warren used to post on this board not long ago.

I watched the entire 3 hours documentary yesterday and it was so well done. I was extremely impressed. It took me aback to see what Sherri looks like today. She was drop dead gorgeous in the UM segment all those years ago and now she doesn't even look like it could be the same person. She has really taken on her mother's grief and burden. I pray for her that she is able to take care of herself and move on in some capacity. From the looks of her she never married or had children which is sad. - Thank you for the concern for how my life turned out.. but to ease your mind, I am happy and healthy.

There were a lot of new information we were not privy to in the UM segment.

Keith's faither believed he committed suicide and alleged that Keith had been in a psychiatric hospital in New Jersey for an undisclosed amount of time. - Hospitalization happen in NC not Jersey. I spent the summers in Jersey with my aunt.

Sherri was gone to live with the father for the summer as she had always done when Keith went missing and was found dead. Very telling that Keith was not visiting his father.- Never lived with my father for that summer. I was in NJ at the time of Keith's death.

I found it extremely odd that Cleo Waddell Warren (Keith's dad) has never publicly appeared or assisted his ex wife in any way to find out what happened to Keith. Apparently he accepted the botched investigation the cops did and moved on with his life.

All of Keith's friends were white as mentioned in the UM segment. None of them would talk to the private investigator that Mary Couey had hired and two of them even went and got lawyers. One of the friends does appear in voice only and anonymous and he was very vague in answering questions.

Something Mr. Anonymous did reveal was that Keith's closest friends were all girls but he was not dating any of them. He said it in a way to insinuate that Keith was probably gay. Which I have never considered. - ALL of the "friends" that came to my house, slept on my floor and was on my phone were all male.

Sherri's entire family seems very supportive and close knit. Her uncle mentioned how Keith internalized everything and was very quiet and to himself. It seems to me the family did not want to publicly acknowledge that Keith was gay for whatever reason. Might explain why he and his father had such a volatile relationship. African American fathers have a hard time accepted their sons are gay and it is very possible Keith and his father fell into this demographic as well. - Not sure where you got the idea that Keith was "Gay"?

Mary Couey kept all of her research about Keith in a crate in her car's trunk and her car was vandalized and a lot of papers and her purse was stolen. She infamous pictures that appeared on her doorstep were in the purse and had been stolen. They were the only copies she had. Whoever stole the purse actually anonymously turned the pictures over to a civil rights advocate. - No actually they turned the pictures over to ABC News investigative reporter Del Walters

I found that to be very interesting. If the average person finds photos like that they would usually turn them in to the police not a civil rights advocate. The envelope had Mary's name on it and so maybe they did their research and knew better than to send them to the corrupt cops. - please go back and rewatch episode 2 and you will see/ hear the complete story as to how the pictures became public.

Apparently Mary Couey was very kind hearted and felt if she was nice and non threatening she could get help with Keith's death. Sherri said a lot of people took her mother's kindness for weakness. Sherri is very confrontational and direct and she has made it her passion to find out what happened to Keith. I feel sorry for her because she is filled with so much hurt and anger. She said she has nothing to lose because she lost her mom and her brother now. - I wouldnt call it hurt that I am filled with... I will call it passion and unconditional love for my family. The lies told on my brother and Mother have allowed some to get away with murder.

It was said that the police had a party when they found out Mary Couey was dead. This is so sad and horrible. From everything that has been revealed we know Keith did not kill himself or put himself in that tree. He wasn't even hoisted up off the ground. He was hanging in almost a sitting position with his feet on the ground. No one can hang themselves that way. The leaves on his back were also very telling. - I was told by Detective Drewy in 2014 that the MCPD believe that Keith did hang himself using the sling shot method... and he said it with a straight face.

It still boggles my mind why someone felt the need to put Keith in an entirely different outfit but leave his original clothes near by. Had he got sick and regurgitated on his clothing? Did someone wash his clothes and decide to just leave him in the clothing they put on him? It just doesn't make sense. Could Keith had been sexually assaulted? Most people who are sexually assaulted are found naked. Something just isn't right about them changing his clothing. - We did not get back the shirt, shorts, or underwear Keith was wearing when he left the house. Up until we got the pictures we were told by Detective Beasley that there was so much decomposition that the clothing had to be destroyed. We did not know of the discrepancy in the clothing until we got the pictures.

I am starting to think Keith was either partying with friends doing drugs and overdosed or something more sinister was done with his body. If the friends panicked and put him in the tree they were likely young and naive to not realized that this was going to backfire. Hanging a black man in a tree would cause even more problems for them because now it looks like a lynching.

I don't believe Keith was lynched at all and I think whoever staged the hanging didn't even realize what their actions would be perceived as. The autopsy showed no signs of trauma to the body and there were no neck fractures or hemorraghing to the eyes or neck area; common in strangulation. - Putting Keith in the tree was a message someone was sending. If it was an accident they could have left him on the side of the road or in his car. Putting him in the tree was very personal.

Perhaps Keith's friends lawyered up simply because of the optics of how he was found dead. Either way this was not a lynching. Keith either accidentally died and his friends tried to cover it up or he was the victim of foul play.

Now if this had been a hate crime to me there would have been trauma to the body. He would have been beaten and probably hung alive or atleast hung post-mortem with enough effort to cause trauma.- How do you know there was no trauma? There wasnt an autopsy performed at the time of death?

The fact his body was fully intact without any trauma leads me to believe Keith was either poisoned by someone who was jealous of him or he was using drugs and OD'd at someone's home who wanted no parts of that fall out. - Again how do you know there was no trauma?

Keith was 19, a month shy of going off to college, he owned a Corvette, he was nice looking, middle class, very popular within his school and neighborhood. Perhaps someone got jealous of him and needed/wanted him out of the way. - possibly

The fact the anonymous friend was insinuating Keith was gay and there was never any talk about Keith having a girlfriend leads me to believe Keith probably was gay and maybe he messed around with the wrong guy. - Where are you getting the "Gay" conversation from? This is the first Im hearing of it.

The group of black kids looking for Keith was also very interesting considering all of Keith's friends were black. Had they got their hands on Keith I feel like he would have been beat and or shot not poisoned. A group of guys looking to kill another young man are going to rough him up a bit there would have been trauma to his body.

Mark Findley was also another interesting lead. He was frantically looking for Keith before he died. Was he trying to warn Keith of the group of guys looking for him or warn him about another threat? Ot was he looking for Keith to harm him? The call about him wanting to unload was also interesting. Mary Couey naively turned the recording over to the police and they refused to acknowledge it and denied she ever gave it to them. Mark's death was very suspect. He was murdered and they disguised it as a freak bicycle accident? - I heard the message and called my mom at work and she told me to take the tape to Detective Beasley. That should clear that up. I heard it and handed it over. Never got it back and Mark was killed 1 month later. Who's to say that someone didn't tip off the murderers and they had to get rid of Mark?

Apparently the Coroner who was in charge during Keith's death is now on trial due to botching a lot of deaths of black men in Maryland and not investigating them properly. - Actually my mother petition Dr Fowler in 2002 to get the death certificate updated and he never acknowledge her. True that he is being sued by another family.

The motivations for that police cover up is also very telling. The optics of Keith's death make it look like a lynching. I think the police went above and beyond not to investigate and to classify it as a suicide simply based on the optics alone. They didn't want to draw attention to a possible lynching. There were friends who were never questioned. There were lies in all of the police files. They said they spoke with people they never talked to. It was very bizarre and lazy. Marcus Jones is a complete joke. I could not stand to watch him come up on the screen. - Agreed

UM never interviewed the EMT worker who is in this documentary who said from the beginning that Keith did not committ suicide. He said the media suppressed Keith's murder and there was only a small blip in a newspaper a week later about Keith. - He has been consistent in his support of my family over the years.

After watching this documentary and processing everything I can honestly say it is likely that Sherri Warren will never know what happened to her brother. The friends til this day refuse to talk in fear for their safety they claim. So if they truly are afraid who exactly are they afraid of? - I never say never.

I feel that Keith may have got himself caught up in an occult scandal, a same sex relationship that went awry, or a drug overdose. The things that were done with his body did not make sense. Unless this new documentary tugs at someone's heartstrings and they come forward I do not feel this case will ever be solved because no one is talking.

This case always reminded me of Kurt Silva's case. If Keith had just died of an overdose why take the time to stage the suicide? If this was a group of young kids they would have just dumped the body in the woods and took off. Someone went to great lengths to make this look like a suicide.

This was posted in another thread and we had a discussion about it.

Its a very good special. Sadly Keith's mother died in 2009.

I feel bad for his sister she seems so bitter and angry.- Not bitter or angry.

Looks like she never married or had children either. - I exercised my options.

To look at her on UM segment and look at her now she looks like a totally different person. She was drop dead gorgeous in her youth and sadly she looks really bad.- didnt know I looked that bad 30yrs later but noted.

I hope she finds answers and gets justice for her loved one, but I feel sad she has consumed herself with his murder (which I believe it was). Keith would have wanted her to move on with her life. - I have lived a productive and full life while at the same time working to bring closure in the death of my brother.

One thing I have found very strange about this case is that Keith's father has never surfaced even though he was still in his children's lives. He also accepted Keith committed suicide and refused to help his ex wife find answers as to what could have happened to Keith.

Hi.. I posted it on another thread. I should have made a new thread for it.

Okay, no problem. I'll try to find a way to watch it since I don't have pluto.

And please ignore those comments about your looks and personal life. People can be insensitive, and outright stupid without fully thinking.

You shouldn't have to read negative remarks about your looks/life choices while trying to discuss your brothers death.

Please don't let it scare you away from the board as I enjoy what you have to say and want justice for Keith as well.

Hi.. I posted it on another thread. I should have made a new thread for it.

Thanks for posting here and giving us some of your thoughts. I found the documentary very informative and I learned several things I was unaware of. I am more convinced then ever that nefarious things went down here and the police have been both incompetent and in cover up mode.

I dont post here frequently but read thru most threads here including this one. Your brother's case is one that has stuck with me ever since seeing the UM episode years ago. Know that just about everyone here admires the dedication you have to seek justice for your brother. It's pretty clear that a miscarriage of justice occurred and you deserve to know the truth, and the people who were involved deserve to be punished. We're all pulling for you and hope that day comes.

Okay, no problem. I'll try to find a way to watch it since I don't have pluto.

And please ignore those comments about your looks and personal life. People can be insensitive, and outright stupid without fully thinking.

You shouldn't have to read negative remarks about your looks/life choices while trying to discuss your brothers death.

Please don't let it scare you away from the board as I enjoy what you have to say and want justice for Keith as well.

Thank you. Discovery Plus has a 7day free trial. The series is called UpRooted

Thanks for posting here and giving us some of your thoughts. I found the documentary very informative and I learned several things I was unaware of. I am more convinced then ever that nefarious things went down here and the police have been both incompetent and in cover up mode.

I dont post here frequently but read thru most threads here including this one. Your brother's case is one that has stuck with me ever since seeing the UM episode years ago. Know that just about everyone here admires the dedication you have to seek justice for your brother. It's pretty clear that a miscarriage of justice occurred and you deserve to know the truth, and the people who were involved deserve to be punished. We're all pulling for you and hope that day comes.
Thank you ���� I really appreciate your support ��

I really wish these episodes were broadcast on ID. I don't have Discovery+. Is it possible to watch these online?

Typically, when Unsolved Mysteries covered an 'Unexplained Death,' segment, they gave plenty of information about where and who a person was last with before their death. In the Keith Warren segment, we strangely never got any of that. When we put a timeline together, we go from the two Rodney Kendell interactions (car of boys and then Mark Findley) which was approximately 7-10 days before Keith's death and then virtually no information until he was discovered hanging from the tree. That's a huge chunk of missing time we need to be privy to. Do the Discovery+ episodes go into detail about that?

I don't remember where it was confirmed that Keith had even attended a party. If it's true, that would be why we keep getting Kurt Sova vibes. I'd like to know the last confirmed sighting of Keith from a reliable source.

It's possible Sherri already answered this in the Keith Warren thread and I'm drawing a blank.

I don't remember where it was confirmed that Keith had even attended a party. If it's true, that would be why we keep getting Kurt Sova vibes. I'd like to know the last confirmed sighting of Keith from a reliable source.

I'd like to know this too. I think I read that he went to a friend's house where some guy, his girlfriend, and Mark (who was later murdered) were in attendance but im fuzzy after that.

I don't know if it was a party, or just them hanging out

I really wish these episodes were broadcast on ID. I don't have Discovery+. Is it possible to watch these online?

Typically, when Unsolved Mysteries covered an 'Unexplained Death,' segment, they gave plenty of information about where and who a person was last with before their death. In the Keith Warren segment, we strangely never got any of that. When we put a timeline together, we go from the two Rodney Kendell interactions (car of boys and then Mark Findley) which was approximately 7-10 days before Keith's death and then virtually no information until he was discovered hanging from the tree. That's a huge chunk of missing time we need to be privy to. Do the Discovery+ episodes go into detail about that?

I don't remember where it was confirmed that Keith had even attended a party. If it's true, that would be why we keep getting Kurt Sova vibes. I'd like to know the last confirmed sighting of Keith from a reliable source.

It's possible Sherri already answered this in the Keith Warren thread and I'm drawing a blank.

Discovery Plus has a 7 day free trail. All 3 episodes are up "UpRooted" is the name of the series.

As for Keith's last days.. He left the house on a Tuesday, that was the last day my mom saw him alive. When he didn't come home Tuesday night or Wednesday, my mom called someone we thought was one of his best friends and they said "I know where he is, I will get him", that was on Wednesday. Keith's body was found Thursday. As for the party it was told to me by several people that Mark would get drunk at parties and brag about how he helped put Keith on the tree. There was never any confirmation of the "party", however I do believe he was going to meet up with someone. There was 2 empty 4 pack wine cooler containers around his body when they found him. None of the empty bottles were collected and from what Im told some dont remember there being any empty wine bottles around him.

I really wish these episodes were broadcast on ID. I don't have Discovery+. Is it possible to watch these online?

Typically, when Unsolved Mysteries covered an 'Unexplained Death,' segment, they gave plenty of information about where and who a person was last with before their death. In the Keith Warren segment, we strangely never got any of that. When we put a timeline together, we go from the two Rodney Kendell interactions (car of boys and then Mark Findley) which was approximately 7-10 days before Keith's death and then virtually no information until he was discovered hanging from the tree. That's a huge chunk of missing time we need to be privy to. Do the Discovery+ episodes go into detail about that?

I don't remember where it was confirmed that Keith had even attended a party. If it's true, that would be why we keep getting Kurt Sova vibes. I'd like to know the last confirmed sighting of Keith from a reliable source.

It's possible Sherri already answered this in the Keith Warren thread and I'm drawing a blank.


Download Amazon Prime, I believe you can get a free trial of the discovery channel through it...just search for discovery channel.

Was a very good documentary btw

As for the party it was told to me by several people that Mark would get drunk at parties and brag about how he helped put Keith on the tree.

The whole situation with Mark is bizarre. Him "bragging" about putting Keith in the tree adds up with the note that came attached to the photos that was sent to your mother that said "don't worry Mark is next"

However, Mark called your mother and said he needed to "unload" which I assume was confessing.

Do you think he was actually "bragging" or confessing out of guilt? Seems like a dumb thing to brag about

The whole situation with Mark is bizarre. Him "bragging" about putting Keith in the tree adds up with the note that came attached to the photos that was sent to your mother that said "don't worry Mark is next"

However, Mark called your mother and said he needed to "unload" which I assume was confessing.

Do you think he was actually "bragging" or confessing out of guilt? Seems like a dumb thing to brag about


Totally agree, not to mention him dying due to falling off his bike shortly after....wtf?


I used to bmx/mx when I was younger and wrecked myself on dirtbikes bad...also on a bicycle have taken some gnarly spills downhill on rocky dirt roads after going like 30 mph and got scraped up, hit my head etc but its pretty hard to kill yourself on a bike even if you try....like how do you die simply falling off a bike? Unless he fell off a cliff or something, but unsolved mysteries made it sound like he simply rode through a neighborhood, hit the curb on the street and then died. It's bizarre.

Thats just one more suspicious piece to go with the 100 other suspicious pieces in this case.

Totally agree, not to mention him dying due to falling off his bike shortly after....wtf?


I used to bmx/mx when I was younger and wrecked myself on dirtbikes bad...also on a bicycle have taken some gnarly spills downhill on rocky dirt roads after going like 30 mph and got scraped up, hit my head etc but its pretty hard to kill yourself on a bike even if you try....like how do you die simply falling off a bike? Unless he fell off a cliff or something, but unsolved mysteries made it sound like he simple road through a neighborhood, hit the curb on the street and then died. It's bizarre.

Thats just one more suspicious piece to go with the 100 other suspicious pieces in this case.

Exactly, the whole "died from a bike fall" thing is BS. There was a note saying that he was next.....and he indeed was next. That note was more of a promise than a threat.

But to make it even more complex, the note that came attached to the photos that was sent to Keith's mother were police prints. So did a police officer leave the photos/note threatening Mark? Or was there someone with enough influence over the police who would give photos to them?

Mark was killed years later on the anniversary of Keith's death with a note saying "dont worry, mark is next" so I take it whoever killed Mark, did so for justice of Keith. Otherwise why send his mother that note and make good on the promise?

The whole situation with Mark is bizarre. Him "bragging" about putting Keith in the tree adds up with the note that came attached to the photos that was sent to your mother that said "don't worry Mark is next"

However, Mark called your mother and said he needed to "unload" which I assume was confessing.

Do you think he was actually "bragging" or confessing out of guilt? Seems like a dumb thing to brag about

We also have a month long period between the time Mark left the phone message for Mary saying, "I'll be by to talk with you, I need to unload," to the time of his death. Why leave such an important message and then do nothing about it for 4 weeks? If I was Keith's mother, I would have been on pins and needles waiting to speak with him. Did Mark change his mind? Remember that Mark only contacted Mary once he found out he had been targeted in the note attached to his photos. As far as I know, he was completely silent the 6 previous years.

Bragging about putting Keith on the tree is odd as well. Even if it was while drunk. Sheri had mentioned that Keith and Mark were barely acquaintances, much less friends. So why would it be necessary to have a reaction like that to a kid who was really no part of your life other than someone you occasionally saw in school? Unless Mark really had deeper seeded issues that he hid.

We also have a month long period between the time Mark left the phone message for Mary saying, "I'll be by to talk with you, I need to unload," to the time of his death. Why leave such an important message and then do nothing about it for 4 weeks? If I was Keith's mother, I would have been on pins and needles waiting to speak with him. Did Mark change his mind? Remember that Mark only contacted Mary once he found out he had been targeted in the note attached to his photos. As far as I know, he was completely silent the 6 previous years.

Bragging about putting Keith on the tree is odd as well. Even if it was while drunk. Sheri had mentioned that Keith and Mark were barely acquaintances, much less friends. So why would it be necessary to have a reaction like that to a kid who was really no part of your life other than someone you occasionally saw in school? Unless Mark really had deeper seeded issues that he hid.

Yeah, the 4 week gap is perplexing to me too, unless Mark became cowardice and backed off.

And yeah maybe Mark did have some issues, or he was falsely reported as "bragging" when he could've just been confessing?

I'm really curious about the person who wanted Mark dead. How did they get those police photos, and why did they wait 6 years to kill him?

Does the documentary happen to explore where Keith was from the 29th until the day his body was found (the 31st)? Does it go over the change of clothing found in his car? The apparent connection that law enforcement found where he allegedly bought the rope at a local hardware store on Connecticut Ave and Georgia Ave (now a Home Depot)?

Thank you. Discovery Plus has a 7day free trial. The series is called UpRooted

wow! had no idea you were on the breakfast club!

please keep your foot on their necks

wow! had no idea you were on the breakfast club!

please keep your foot on their necks

Thank you:)

Does the documentary happen to explore where Keith was from the 29th until the day his body was found (the 31st)? Does it go over the change of clothing found in his car? The apparent connection that law enforcement found where he allegedly bought the rope at a local hardware store on Connecticut Ave and Georgia Ave (now a Home Depot)?


Unless you know something I don’t know the clothing that we received from the police back in 1986 we were told was somewhere around his body. His car was never searched nor was it ever mentioned in any police paperwork.

It was never verified that the rope was purchased at the local hardware store, for that matter it was never mentioned where the rope came from. Officer Leverett went to 7-11 and the local hardware store 4hrs before he notified my mom. Now unless you know something I don’t know it’s quite interesting as you’re bringing up these points.

Does the documentary happen to explore where Keith was from the 29th until the day his body was found (the 31st)? Does it go over the change of clothing found in his car? The apparent connection that law enforcement found where he allegedly bought the rope at a local hardware store on Connecticut Ave and Georgia Ave (now a Home Depot)?

The whole situation with Mark is bizarre. Him "bragging" about putting Keith in the tree adds up with the note that came attached to the photos that was sent to your mother that said "don't worry Mark is next"

However, Mark called your mother and said he needed to "unload" which I assume was confessing.

Do you think he was actually "bragging" or confessing out of guilt? Seems like a dumb thing to brag about

It’s hard to tell whether Mark was bragging or whether he was confessing. The way it was described to me by several individual‘s was that he was just drunk and running off at the mouth.

It’s hard to tell whether Mark was bragging or whether he was confessing. The way it was described to me by several individual‘s was that he was just drunk and running off at the mouth.

drunken words are sober thoughts

I think Mark had a hand in tying Keith to the tree

Unless you know something I don’t know the clothing that we received from the police back in 1986 we were told was somewhere around his body. His car was never searched nor was it ever mentioned in any police paperwork.

I was conflating the duffel bag that he had and the extra pair of clothing that the police found at the scene.

It was never verified that the rope was purchased at the local hardware store, for that matter it was never mentioned where the rope came from. Officer Leverett went to 7-11 and the local hardware store 4hrs before he notified my mom. Now unless you know something I don’t know it’s quite interesting as you’re bringing up these points.

I can't remember exactly where I read it, but the police never found a receipt for the rope, but they did find a similar rope sold at a hardware store locally. Do you happen to have a link to the police report? It's missing from your website.

I can't remember exactly where I read it, but the police never found a receipt for the rope, but they did find a similar rope sold at a hardware store locally. Do you happen to have a link to the police report? It's missing from your website.

these are the same police who didn't properly investigate, cut down the tree (and later had it destroyed in a 'fire') and didn't do a proper autopsy. they didn't find a receipt, but they did find the rope at a local store. all that means is whoever hung him bought the rope from that hardware store. they couldn't trace Keith to buying it

i wouldn't read too much into what they say about buying some rope. it's obvious that they rushed his death as a "suicide" and did everything in their power to label it as such

i've never heard of anyone hanging themselves with a loose noose and both feet planted firmly on the ground. have you?

i've never heard of anyone hanging themselves with a loose noose and both feet planted firmly on the ground. have you?

Michael Carmichael comes to mind.

I was conflating the duffel bag that he had and the extra pair of clothing that the police found at the scene. - The duffle bag was given back to up ripped up. Keith usually carried cassette tapes in the bag.

I can't remember exactly where I read it, but the police never found a receipt for the rope, but they did find a similar rope sold at a hardware store locally. Do you happen to have a link to the police report? It's missing from your website. - I thought it was on the .com I will post today

Michael Carmichael comes to mind.

Not a good example.

Michael Carmichael, and Billy Hargrove families are fighting the "suicide" ruling.

Taken from unsolved.com:

"The two families are especially troubled by the many similarities of the two deaths. Both Billy and Mike died just after they were summoned to the Army barracks. Both were tied with parachute cord. Both had cuts and abrasions on their faces and hands. And both men were found hanging just inches from the ground."

Not a good example.

https://i.ibb.co/wZqKH5w/carmichael.png

This is from the re-enactment in UM. It is a great example.

https://i.ibb.co/wZqKH5w/carmichael.png

This is from the re-enactment in UM. It is a great example.

No. It isn't. In fact, it's a terrible one.

I said Keith had both of his feet PLANTED on the ground, with the rope LOOSE around his neck. His weight was so much for the tree that it was bending under his weight. The noose was so loose that it was tucked under his chin, it wasn't even tight around his neck. How does someone have leaves on their back, but they're standing straight up while hanging themself?

Terrible comparison, as they aren't the same.

I'd go more into Michael Carmichael but I don't want to derail the thread

I said Keith had both of his feet PLANTED on the ground, with the rope LOOSE around his neck. His weight was so much for the tree that it was bending under his weight. The noose was so loose that it was tucked under his chin, it wasn't even tight around his neck. How does someone have leaves on their back, but they're standing straight up while hanging themself?

Out of respect for Keith's sister, I'm not linking the pictures, but this description of the way Keith was found is not true. His feet were found angled, not planted on the ground. The rope, if it were loose, would have not supported his position to remain upright.

Out of respect for Keith's sister, I'm not linking the pictures, but this description of the way Keith was found is not true. His feet were found angled, not planted on the ground. The rope, if it were loose, would have not supported his position to remain upright.

I'm looking at the photos myself now, and his feet are on the ground, angled, but on the ground. And look at the photos from behind, the rope is indeed tucked under his chin with a loose gap around the rope.

His body was propped up in a certain position to keep him from falling. Hence the angle of his legs and feet.

He isn't completely suspended like Billy and Michael that are just hanging from their necks.

And something I forgot to add is the change of clothes. Why would Keith change into a set of clothes that wasn't his to commit suicide? The clothes nor shoes he had on were his.

His clothes were possibly stained with waste, vomit, or blood and whoever hung him didn't want anyone to think that foul play was a possibility, so they swapped his clothes for someone else's.

Also given how his legs and feet are positioned I wouldn't be surprised if rigor mortis had set in before he was hung and they had to physically angle his legs to keep him propped up

And something I forgot to add is the change of clothes. Why would Keith change into a set of clothes that wasn't his to commit suicide? The clothes nor shoes he had on were his.

His clothes were possibly stained with waste, vomit, or blood and whoever hung him didn't want anyone to think that foul play was a possibility, so they swapped his clothes for someone else's.

Also given how his legs and feet are positioned I wouldn't be surprised if rigor mortis had set in before he was hung and they had to physically angle his legs to keep him propped up

In addition the elaborate rope configurations which the police want me to believe that my brother used to hang himself. Using their thought process and not knowing the exact time of death so will go 12 hours before the body was found which would be in the middle of the night, Keith had to have cat eyes to tie the elaborate rope configuration around both trees then throw the rope over a third branch to complete his intent all at the same time changing his clothes and being environmentally correct and throwing away the eight empty wine bottle coolers
Before jumping off an imaginary log…..

Dallas Lipp who was a paramedic and first responder on scene and who has 30 years experience said that the rope configuration to him was more of a pulley system that he was laying on the ground and they hoisted him into that tree that’s why you have leaves on the back of his shirt.

In addition the elaborate rope configurations which the police want me to believe that my brother used to hang himself. Using their thought process and not knowing the exact time of death so will go 12 hours before the body was found which would be in the middle of the night, Keith had to have cat eyes to tie the elaborate rope configuration around both trees then throw the rope over a third branch to complete his intent all at the same time changing his clothes and being environmentally correct and throwing away the eight empty wine bottle coolers
Before jumping off an imaginary log…..

those police are ridiculous. were those wine cooler bottles dusted for fingerprints? I wouldn't be surprised if they came from the home of the people who hung Keith up. probably put them there to make it seem like Keith got drunk and hung himself. adds up with them changing his clothes that probably had something spilled on it. they really didn't want this traced back to them so they made it seem like a suicide

Dallas Lipp who was a paramedic and first responder on scene and who has 30 years experience said that the rope configuration to him was more of a pulley system that he was laying on the ground and they hoisted him into that tree that’s why you have leaves on the back of his shirt.

ah i see. makes sense

those police are ridiculous. were those wine cooler bottles dusted for fingerprints? I wouldn't be surprised if they came from the home of the people who hung Keith up. probably put them there to make it seem like Keith got drunk and hung himself. adds up with them changing his clothes that probably had something spilled on it. they really didn't want this traced back to them so they made it seem like a suicide



ah i see. makes sense


The bottles were not collected and not returned to us. Im assuming that there was 8 wine bottles because the police did return to us the empty wine cooler holder.

His clothes were possibly stained with waste, vomit, or blood and whoever hung him didn't want anyone to think that foul play was a possibility, so they swapped his clothes for someone else's.

In their rush to have the case closed, I would have loved to hear investigators explanation for why a person (any person) would change clothes in order to hang one's self. Let alone clothes that the person didn't even own.

In their rush to have the case closed, I would have loved to hear investigators explanation for why a person (any person) would change clothes in order to hang one's self. Let alone clothes that the person didn't even own.

Exactly. And his boots and jacket were found nearby.

They probably threw everything that was Keith's in the woods, so if they were investigated then nothing of his could be found in their house or trash

I do wonder if Keith brought those wine coolers to whomever house he was at. If Keith did drink from any of those bottles, and they were found in the house and dusted for fingerprints then it'd be obvious that Keith was there

I feel whoever hung him, were operating under the guise that Keith told his family or friends where he was going, which is why they were so careful to put everything of his (except soiled clothes) in the woods.

They probably thought their house would get thoroughly investigated

See Attachment:


I’m going to take the liberty to share an observation from a friend who is helping me with bringing a sense of closure in the death of Keith.

The embalmers report from #CollinsFuneral home in #SilverSpringMD is a very important part of the argument to reclassify Keith’s death certificate. I have paraphrased the information from my “friend”…. adding into the conversation my own observations. This information was presented to the OCME to support my request to updated Keith’s death certificate.



This is the information along with several attachments sent to the OCME office:

I would like to bring to your attention the official embalming report from Collins Funeral. This document in itself shows there is a valid argument in support of the reclassification of my brother’s death certificate. Please see my notes below related to the attached documents.

Overview:

In reviewing the documents, you will find several questionable items. Let begin with a simple observation. Fields in the embalmers report pertaining to Keith’s information are left out, such as (and in no order) Date, Case No, Place of death, Age, Height or Weight, Cause of Death, Received at Funeral Home, PERMISSION TO EMBALM RECEIVED ON THE..), the fact they acted without that directive alone is questionable. Also, per the notes attached the “powerpack” used by Collins Funeral home in 1986 did not have “111TCE” per the manufacture.

Using the information on the embalmers report there is no way to ascertain when Keith was embalmed, date or time. It doesn’t note who gave the directive to embalm, however to proceed embalming under directive without this data suspect.

ERUPTION Field being checked under CONDITION OF BODY BEFORE EMBALMING:

Based on the information on the embalmers report…an eruption is a skin reaction to either a drug or a chemical, so the M.E. accidentally noted that something in Keith’s body caused a skin eruption, likely the TCE in his system. Also, it was MPD position that the TCE may have gotten in Keiths body thru the embalming process. After some follow up, I found that the reason the coroner found the TCE in those areas (Brain, kidney, liver) is because upon being ingested, TCE naturally stores in adipose tissue, this is also supported by several scientific studies. So, HE would HAVE to ingest the TCE for it to have arrived in those organs.

REMARKS COLUMN:

I suggest you print out a copy of the embalmers report to really read what the embalmer wrote here, which I did. The report says “outside maggots”. If one were to presume this to be correct, then the position here is that Keith got maggots in his mouth from a rare species of maggot that exist outside of corpses and are outside and wandering. Either that or that Keith was hung next to something else that was also dead and the maggots transferred from A to B. Maggots form in completely dead tissue, which meant they formed IN Keiths mouth at the time. Maggots don’t roam around outside. From what I read, maggots are not so much an outside species and only form in dead tissue.

I did my homework which brings me to my next points of contention. Maggots take at least two days (and a maximum of seven) to form once the tissue is completely dead (tissue doesn’t die all at once). As you are aware MPD had that Keith had hung himself a few hours before he was found is completely debunked by that finding alone.

I also did some research about TCE toxicity and also referenced the documents attached. I found it takes 7g/kg to be lethal in a human body. Keith had 94g in him in a decomposed state seven years later. Which means he had enough to kill him and seven others. To make sense of that visually, if it was put in his drink, the TCE would roughly amount to HALF A MEASURING CUP of what was in the drink. Using science as a reference, there is no way that amount of anything was mixed in a drink with any other intent than to poison him, half a cup of cleaning product is not a “prank gone wrong”.

I’m sending you this information to further support the argument that the suicide determination as a cause of death is not supported. I am anxiously await your decision.