View Full Version : The Grammar Police


stevea
12-27-2021, 06:48 PM
Of course we have a rule on Sitcoms site to not correct grammar.

But that doesn't keep me from getting bugged by people talking on the radio.
Such as, That was a special moment for Lois and I. Wrong, and it's SO easy to speak correctly. With the direct object, it's "me," not "I." It's an easy test--would you say, That was a special moment for I?

This is probably the most mis-used item on the grammar list.

GentlemanJim
12-27-2021, 07:08 PM
On the radio,I get irritated by locally produced commercials where the announcer states that a product is "avaidable", or when one of the chatjays says "supposably", "irregardless" or muffs up effect/affect.

JamesG
12-27-2021, 09:16 PM
The occasional typo/misspell on social media and message boards happen. What irks me are posts that make me feel like I'm deciphering hieroglyphics in figuring out what the poster is saying.

Also, redundant and run on sentences bother me.



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PhoenixAcres
12-27-2021, 09:22 PM
Their is nothing more annoying then bad grammar :mad: I see it way to often.

JamesG
12-27-2021, 09:32 PM
Their is nothing more annoying then bad grammar :mad: I see it way to often.

In the spirit of this thread.. it's "there" and "than". :lol:

RetroGuy2000
12-27-2021, 09:33 PM
I can't believe the number of times I've seen news stories, TV commercials, and such, with horrible grammar. The one I notice most is the "it's" where "its" is meant (or vice versa), but I also catch people saying "less" when they mean "fewer". My Scrabble app ran ads for a while where every single ad was poorly spelled. When the app makers asked me for feedback, I gave it to them, writing, "For an app that attracts 'word geeks', you don't seem to understand how your customers value the English language. All of your ads have terrible grammar and/or spelling." They soon fixed it, and now I'd say it's fairly rare to catch the Scrabble app ads with typos.

RetroGuy2000
12-27-2021, 09:35 PM
Their is nothing more annoying then bad grammar :mad: I see it way to often.

I see what you did they're, two, than. :lol:

stevea
12-27-2021, 09:58 PM
I can't believe the number of times I've seen news stories, TV commercials, and such, with horrible grammar. The one I notice most is the "it's" where "its" is meant (or vice versa), but I also catch people saying "less" when they mean "fewer". My Scrabble app ran ads for a while where every single ad was poorly spelled. When the app makers asked me for feedback, I gave it to them, writing, "For an app that attracts 'word geeks', you don't seem to understand how your customers value the English language. All of your ads have terrible grammar and/or spelling." They soon fixed it, and now I'd say it's fairly rare to catch the Scrabble app ads with typos.

It's and its are easy, to (LOL). Its is possessive, it's is it is. Simple?

The print newspaper here is absolutely HORRIBLE when it comes to grammar and usage. They really ought to be embarrassed, but it's possible they're all so full of their abbreviated language on social media (like my LOL), no one even notices. But they might as well not even have editors.

stevea
12-27-2021, 10:06 PM
On the radio,I get irritated by locally produced commercials where the announcer states that a product is "avaidable", or when one of the chatjays says "supposably", "irregardless" or muffs up effect/affect.

"Supposably" is an Indiana thing, handed down from generation to generation. Like saying "realitor," "Warshington," "ruff" for roof, "we was...," and jewlery."

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12-28-2021, 03:57 AM
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GentlemanJim
12-28-2021, 11:30 AM
I kinda see people fixated with the grammar used by others online, people who report objectionable content to moderators, and people who burn books as pretty much facets of the same stone. Lacking any means to make a meaningful rebuttal, they look for unorthodox, extraneous, and unethical ways to try and tilt the playing field in their favor.

When they are not out tearing down statues that conflict with their revisionist history agenda, that is .:lol:

shotzette
12-28-2021, 04:21 PM
"Supposably" is an Indiana thing, handed down from generation to generation. Like saying "realitor," "Warshington," "ruff" for roof, "we was...," and jewlery."

"realitor" makes my skin crawl! I interviewed someone for a support position in a real estate office years ago, and she kept saying "realitor". Fortunately, there was one other candidate who had a similar skill set and knew how to say "realtor" and I hired her instead.

RetroGuy2000
12-28-2021, 04:32 PM
"realitor" makes my skin crawl! I interviewed someone for a support position in a real estate office years ago, and she kept saying "realitor". Fortunately, there was one other candidate who had a similar skill set and knew how to say "realtor" and I hired her instead.

Pity she couldn't say the position title correctly. She could have had the job.

...almost as bad as someone who's a "lieberrian". :lol:

stevea
12-28-2021, 04:50 PM
Yeah, I've heard "liberry" before. And "rolly coaster" (not sure why I thought of that).

The candidate for the position at the "realitor" was probably from Indiana, maybe originally.

RetroGuy2000
12-28-2021, 05:15 PM
When I was a kid, we would say "warsh" and "crick" (for creek). I learned to expunge those terrible pronunciations from my vocabulary at the earliest opportunity. One pronunciation that has stuck is this: "quarter" and "courter" sound the same, in my pronunciation.

Caroline13
12-28-2021, 05:42 PM
The grammar thing is no big deal in the whole scheme of life, but it's the meanness and attacks that I've encountered in the last year or so from some forums I've tried to be a member....and foul language, good lord.

stevea
12-28-2021, 07:01 PM
When I was a kid, we would say "warsh" and "crick" (for creek). I learned to expunge those terrible pronunciations from my vocabulary at the earliest opportunity. One pronunciation that has stuck is this: "quarter" and "courter" sound the same, in my pronunciation.

I used to say "seerup" until a good friend corrected me several years ago to "sirup."

And Philadelphia; I grew up in South Jersey and heard all the weird pronunciations from my dad, who grew up in North Philly: length and strength are lenth and strenth, appreciate is appriciate; the Eagles (team) are the Iggles. There are more but only these come immediately to mind.

shotzette
12-28-2021, 07:57 PM
I used to say "seerup" until a good friend corrected me several years ago to "sirup."

And Philadelphia; I grew up in South Jersey and heard all the weird pronunciations from my dad, who grew up in North Philly: length and strength are lenth and strenth, appreciate is appriciate; the Eagles (team) are the Iggles. There are more but only these come immediately to mind.

Don't forget "wooder" for "water".

GentlemanJim
12-28-2021, 08:09 PM
Just think how nerve grating Margaret Anderson would find all of our "working class" accents to be....

Oh de`ah!

stevea
12-28-2021, 08:16 PM
Don't forget "wooder" for "water".

And I think he had a weird way of saying Delaware (River) -- something like Delawur.

stevea
12-28-2021, 08:20 PM
Just think how nerve grating Margaret Anderson would find all of our "working class" accents to be....

Oh de`ah!

Yeah, she dropped her R's - like wait till your fathuh get home.

That also reminds me of northern New England -- Clam Bar is Clam Bah.

shotzette
12-28-2021, 10:00 PM
Just think how nerve grating Margaret Anderson would find all of our "working class" accents to be....

Oh de`ah!


When talkies first came out, there was a perceived need for actors to have pseudo-upper class, mid-Atlantic/almost British accents. This was partly due to the fact that regional accents at the time were much heavier than they are today.

I just finished reading an article about it, https://www.altalang.com/beyond-words/the-trans-atlantic-accent/

opus
12-28-2021, 11:49 PM
I’m good with things like ‘there, their, they’re’, ‘your, you’re’ , ‘it’s, it’s’, ‘effect, affect’. I struggle with ‘then, than’. Any tips?

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12-29-2021, 04:44 AM
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stevea
12-29-2021, 09:23 AM
I’m good with things like ‘there, their, they’re’, ‘your, you’re’ , ‘it’s, it’s’, ‘effect, affect’. I struggle with ‘then, than’. Any tips?

Here's a couple of examples of proper usage:

"Oh, so you think your better then me, huh?"

"The brown bear hid it's honey, than later he went and got it."

Simple?

GentlemanJim
12-29-2021, 01:41 PM
I just finished reading an article about it, https://www.altalang.com/beyond-words/the-trans-atlantic-accent/

Interesting, thanks for sharing

GentlemanJim
12-29-2021, 01:53 PM
How many of you find errors in spelling/grammar to be more annoying when certain users commit the crime, versus others.

Or, more particularly, do you find yourself "looking past" such errors when someone you are familiar with and happen to like is at fault, while the error seems more inexcusable when committed by someone you know you are at odds with?

Might say more about you, than the person making the error.

I just finished reading an account of the old professional wrestler "Gorgeous George", and how he incorporated an air of flawlessness into his stage face, because doing so made the draw at the gate higher, as more locals would come from miles around hoping to see someone "shut his mouth" with a good beating.

And, I just wonder if there might be an abstract parallel here, holding those we disfavor to a higher standard than the people we consider to be friends?

stevea
12-29-2021, 02:06 PM
I really don't find errors on this site annoying (particularly my own!), except run-on sentences as JamesG mentioned. On a really long post the long sentences make it really hard to follow.

I hear the misuse of I/me so often it just grates on me.

stevea
12-29-2021, 02:15 PM
When talkies first came out, there was a perceived need for actors to have pseudo-upper class, mid-Atlantic/almost British accents. This was partly due to the fact that regional accents at the time were much heavier than they are today.

I just finished reading an article about it, https://www.altalang.com/beyond-words/the-trans-atlantic-accent/

Although the article doesn't mention Jane Wyatt, she probably went to an elocution school or class and picked this up. She was at the tail end of this tread, since Father Know Best made new episodes until 1960. Her co-star, Robert Young, evidently wasn't part of the tea and crumpets set, since he talked like an everyday guy. And of course neither were the three kids.

GentlemanJim
12-29-2021, 02:41 PM
I really don't find errors on this site annoying (particularly my own!), except run-on sentences as JamesG mentioned. On a really long post the long sentences make it really hard to follow.
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Regarding my earlier mention of contempt for those who make errors in grammar, I've noticed on occasion when a particularly contentious subject is under examination, factions seem to have an especially acute sensitivity for grammatical/spelling blunders.

To wit "how can anyone who cannot even spell "publicly" correctly, possibly have an informed opinion about mass transit?" stuff like that. They act as though the typo somehow invalidates the entire argument of the source.

I've seen this tactic employed frequently over the years, while when their fellow partisans make such a gaffe, it gets overlooked.

GentlemanJim
12-29-2021, 02:48 PM
Parents who overlook flawed behavior in their own children, while taking exception whenever some other child does the same thing, being another example.

opus
12-29-2021, 03:48 PM
Here's a couple of examples of proper usage:

"Oh, so you think your better then me, huh?"

"The brown bear hid it's honey, than later he went and got it."

Simple?

I would probably say the first one (although 'better than me' doesn't feel wrong, just a bit more formal). But why would 'The brown bear hid it's honey, then later he went and got it' be wrong?

stevea
12-30-2021, 10:55 AM
Here's the thing: then and than are sinoimns--I just larned that word. That shoud clear everthing up!

GentlemanJim
12-30-2021, 01:35 PM
"Than" is a conjunction, used in a compArison between two subjects

"Then" is an adverb, used in reference to timE