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Monliz
12-03-2021, 11:28 AM
Erin Murphy did an interview this year, it was a long interview, one of the questions for her was if it's true the rumor that says York was in love with Liz and it freaked her out.


Erin said yes, she said she knows that rumor is true because Bill Asher told her. Poor Liz, it must've been hard to deal with that creep of York, it's understandable that she wanted him fired.


Fast forward to 29:39 and you'll see Erin Murphy talking about York's crush on Liz.

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Arfies
12-03-2021, 02:50 PM
There's a comment there saying that portion of the video was stolen and reposted by the same "Dan Whit" who posts all the other obsessive anti-Dick York videos you post here. I am not surprised.

Monliz, are you "Dan Whit," the video-stealer in question?

Arfies
12-03-2021, 02:59 PM
Oh, and nice try: in this clip, Erin Murphy says both Liz and Dick were "consummate professionals," he was married to his wife Joey forever, Erin thought it may have actually helped the show, and she says she thinks that happens a lot with lead actors.

Doesn't sound "creepy" to me.

RetroGuy2000
12-03-2021, 03:40 PM
"They were consummate professionals. I think it may have helped the show because 'Darrin' loved 'Samantha'."

I love Erin's interviews. Even though she was a very young child, she has kindly shared her memories and what she has heard from those around her.

Willbo
12-03-2021, 05:09 PM
Erin Murphy loved DY as well as EM and has stated that in many interviews. Yes, I agree that it was great to have "Darrin" in love with "Samantha". It was so believable on screen. Two great ACTORS.

Monliz
12-03-2021, 05:59 PM
A lot of people said that they understand why Liz wanted York fired.

Thanks to William Froug and Erin Murphy now everyone knows the truth, especially with that audio of York talking about Liz like she was a sexual object, now people know the despicable human being that hides behind the first actor that played Darrin Stevens.

Arfies
12-03-2021, 07:37 PM
Get a hobby.

Dick York was Darrin
12-03-2021, 09:08 PM
Is there a way I can block everything Monliz posts? She's like the fake news and the cultural pollution it spews. You just have to find a way to ignore her.

Arfies
12-03-2021, 10:02 PM
Click on the username then "View Public Profile." On their page, you'll see a blue bar. One of the things says "User Lists." Click on it, then "Add to Ignore List." Then "Yes."

Dick York was Darrin
12-03-2021, 10:57 PM
Click on the username then "View Public Profile." On their page, you'll see a blue bar. One of the things says "User Lists." Click on it, then "Add to Ignore List." Then "Yes."

Thank you!

CosmicCharlie
12-25-2021, 11:15 PM
"Samantha was more like Serena in real life" -- was more of a story to me ! COOL !!

Makes me happy to hear that !

she mentions that Dick York had a crush on Eliz - ya who didn't ? :)

Dick York was Darrin
12-31-2021, 03:25 AM
"Samantha was more like Serena in real life" -- was more of a story to me ! COOL !!

Makes me happy to hear that !

she mentions that Dick York had a crush on Eliz - ya who didn't ? :)

No offense to Erin, but what does she know? She was like 5 years old.

Arfies
12-31-2021, 02:28 PM
That was something William Asher had told her about as an adult. She didn't notice anything like that herself at the time.

Arfies
01-04-2022, 12:26 PM
More about them being professionals, from Herbie J. Pilato's "Twitch Upon a Star." "Bewitched" writer Doug Tibbles:

He was quiet, and now looking back, that was because of the pain he was in. He did not seem loaded the way people on pain medication [do]. It didn't seem that way at all. He just seemed like a nice quiet professional. He was semi-detached. Through my eyes, his relationship with Elizabeth was simply professional. I mean, they were kind of almost sweet. But you couldn't tell if it was just two polite people or two people just being polite. I didn't see tons of closeness and I didn't see tons of distance. It was somewhere in the middle.

It appears they got along originally at least (their relationship appears to have soured around season 3, my guess is due to York's health issues), and were very complimentary of each other (so no, York didn't think of her "as a sexual object," but as a person.) Some early interviews from magazines and newspapers:

1964: "Pointing toward the pair (Elizabeth Montgomery and Agnes Moorehead), Dick York observed with warm admiration: "There are two of the great professionals in this business. I've admired Elizabeth for a long time. She is one heck of an actress, so sensitive and selective. She could rely on her father (actor Robert Montgomery) to open professional doors for her, but has preferred to remain independent. She has built a name for herself on her own." [He also goes on to praise Agnes Moorehead].

1964, different article: "We have a rather unusual triangle here," smiled Elizabeth as she repaired her lipstick for the umpteenth time.
"The funniest part of it, tho, was when we made the pilot. Dick didn't know we were married then. And he's so sweet and gentle that it bothered him to have a director tell him, "You have to be strong with her in this scene. Boss her around. Don't be afraid to raise your voice."
York walked in and she waved him over with a "Let Dick tell it" and mentioned the subject to him.
"When Asher wanted me to snarl a bit, I complained, 'I hate to yell at Elizabeth because there's something about her that reminds me of my own wife, Joan,'" he recalled.
"I was feeling so protective toward Elizabeth, and had no idea that it was her own husband who was directing me to stop being so tender with her.
"It was a big joke on me when everybody found out . . . a big joke especially to Agnes Moorehead. Her sense of humor rivals her acting talent, both fantastic."

1966: "Elizabeth Montgomery was asked this same day what she thought of Dick York as an actor. She said without hesitation: "I don’t." The words had a jarring sound. "You don’t—think he’s an actor?" No, that wasn’t the idea. "Of course, he’s an actor, and a very good actor. But to me, he’s Dick York before he’s Darrin. I think of him as our friend first, him and his lovely family. Perhaps it’s because we’re all so close here on the set. I know he’s Darrin to other people, but I could never adjust to it. This isn’t to protect Dick—he hasn’t any of that phony alarm about losing his own identity in the part. It’s just that to the man on the street, he’s Darrin, and to me, he’s Dick. You’ve probably noticed by now he’s a very nice person."

If he was truly being "lecherous" (as one certain poster likes to assert) at that point in time, EM wouldn't have gone on about him being a "nice person"- she would've just answered the interviewer's question about what she thought of him as an actor.

Arfies
01-04-2022, 12:26 PM
(accidentally posted twice)

Willbo
01-06-2022, 10:25 AM
After reading this and other articles, I believe EM's beef with DY stemmed mostly from his missing work and disrupting the filming. I can understand that. However, I do not think it was because of his lecherous looks. I wish they could have given DY some extended time off and had him come back at a later date. I think the last 3 seasons would have been much better and probably written differently. They would still have had the romance factor in them. It would have been great to see DY with Adam.

Arfies
01-06-2022, 10:46 PM
By his own admission, York had a crush on Montgomery since the audition, but as early interviews attest (as she was very complimentary of him then), he kept it professional, and they got along very well at least through 1966. I don't think it's a coincidence that things appear to have soured in season 3 when he missed his first episodes (and that on-set accident that allegedly happened making his back worse, with Bill Asher calling him a "hypochondriac" and "naturally, Elizabeth agrees with him", according to Dick in that Oct. 1967 article (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=404185)). I'm sure the painkillers didn't help with the slurring words and such, according to Asher. That would've been frustrating to try and work with, but on the other, DY was in excruciating pain.

As much as I'd like to think DY getting the summer off would've helped him recover and get off the pills, it actually took him 18 months. That's a year and a half they couldn't afford to miss.

I do wish they had at least been able to finish the episode "Samantha's Surprise" where she would've told Darrin she was pregnant again (the rest of the plot was eventually made into "Daddy Comes to Visit/Darrin the Warlock"). Instead what they were able to film was turned into "Daddy Does His Thing." And it definitely would've been nice to see York's Darrin with Adam.

tcr1701
01-07-2022, 04:53 PM
I'd guess too that when trouble on set began when the Asher marriage began having issues. I am sure Elizabeth found working with Bill Asher every day a bit stressful. It seems, though, that neither she nor Bill Asher had much sympathy for Dick York's very real pain. And just regular back pain is no picnic, so his must have been agonizing.

Elizabeth mentioned that she hoped Dick Sargent was clever enough to use (method acting) Agnes Moorehead's dislike of him in his performances with her. He must have because the Sargent Darrin really seamed to hate Endora...and Serena, and Uncle Arthur, And Doctor Bombay, and....on an on. So Elizabeth would have used York's affection for her in her acting with him. Which is probably why they had such good onscreen chemistry.

York mentioned in his biography that "falling for co-stars" often happens with actors. And that his wife, having been an actress, understood that dynamic. But it never meant that he wanted it to go further with Elizabeth. He obviously used that with his performances as his Darrin really did seem to love Samantha.

ansara1
05-11-2022, 11:41 AM
The question that should be asked but isn't, is about Bill Asher. In the William Froug interview, he states he worked on the show in season 3 (that is correct as his name is shown in the credits during that season). One thing Froug does get mixed up is when he says season 3 was the year York left the series (season 5 was his last year). For argument's sake, assuming everything about Dick York is true, what about William Asher?! He was on set most all the time since he directed most episodes. What Dick York supposedly did may be awful, but I think it's worse that Elizabeth's loving husband didn't seem to mind this was going on for 5 years, but instead looked the other way for the sake of the show. To me, choosing the show over the well-being of his wife is WORSE. That's what should be focused on here.

Schmo
06-30-2022, 06:07 PM
Elizabeth Montgomery definitely had a checkered career in her choice of men. Whether she was the problem, her husbands, or all of them is unknown and likely unknowable. If Dick York did have a crush on her, it was good that it came to nothing.

Dick York was Darrin
06-30-2022, 06:18 PM
The question that should be asked but isn't, is about Bill Asher. In the William Froug interview, he states he worked on the show in season 3 (that is correct as his name is shown in the credits during that season). One thing Froug does get mixed up is when he says season 3 was the year York left the series (season 5 was his last year). For argument's sake, assuming everything about Dick York is true, what about William Asher?! He was on set most all the time since he directed most episodes. What Dick York supposedly did may be awful, but I think it's worse that Elizabeth's loving husband didn't seem to mind this was going on for 5 years, but instead looked the other way for the sake of the show. To me, choosing the show over the well-being of his wife is WORSE. That's what should be focused on here.

Clearly the charge that York had a crush on Montgomery was exaggerated. Or at worst, it didn't have any impact on anything. I'm sure there were lots of men who had a crush on Montgomery. She was a lovely woman. But also clearly, she had a problem dealing with her relationships with men, friend, lover or otherwise.

tcr1701
07-01-2022, 08:35 PM
Any "crush" that existed didn't seem to bother Montgomery onscreen. She is much more touchy-feely with York's Darrin than Sargent's. Often in scenes with York she will touch his arm or something affectionately like a loving spouse would. It's really sweet. They had great onscreen chemistry and they both played it very well. Bill Asher said it best "they (Samantha & Darrin) were in love and they (Elizabeth & York) acted like it." Montgomery didn't have quite that sweetness of relationship with Dick Sargent's Darrin.

you can see some of that affection here:

https://youtu.be/BUfUne6swVE?t=67

Monliz
07-03-2022, 02:22 PM
According to William Froug, the producer of Bewitched in the third season, Elizabeth Montgomery was annoyed by York's behavior, he was constantly staring at her, and finally Elizabeth had enough and wanted York fired. Elizabeth asked William Asher and the other producers to get rid of Dick York. You can see the video here.

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And according to multiple people who worked behind the scenes on Bewitched, Elizabeth and Sargent were close friends, however Liz always stayed clear from York. She liked working with Sargent a lot more than with York.

Arfies
07-05-2022, 11:54 AM
Any "crush" that existed didn't seem to bother Montgomery onscreen. She is much more touchy-feely with York's Darrin than Sargent's. Often in scenes with York she will touch his arm or something affectionately like a loving spouse would. It's really sweet. They had great onscreen chemistry and they both played it very well. Bill Asher said it best "they (Samantha & Darrin) were in love and they (Elizabeth & York) acted like it." Montgomery didn't have quite that sweetness of relationship with Dick Sargent's Darrin.

you can see some of that affection here:

https://youtu.be/BUfUne6swVE?t=67

I noticed that too- Montgomery is indeed much less touchy-feely with Sargent than she was with York. Even if she liked Sargent better, she'd do things like touch York's arm or pat York's chest when she's talking to or kissing him, and for whatever reason, doesn't do that with Sargent. The onscreen chemistry isn't just one-sided on York's part (especially when compared with Sargent, who just kind of stands there until the script calls for Darrin to kiss Samantha)- Montgomery reciprocates that affection with York, so they come across as a realistic married couple. And it's often nonverbal.

I think my favorite example of that is in "The Magic Cabin" when Darrin is calling to check on road conditions during the storm in the cabin with rain coming in the ceiling. Montgomery sticks out her finger into the rain, and York does a quiet "Sam!" while talking on the phone. It's just very cute.

Arfies
07-05-2022, 12:39 PM
Any "crush" that existed didn't seem to bother Montgomery onscreen. She is much more touchy-feely with York's Darrin than Sargent's. Often in scenes with York she will touch his arm or something affectionately like a loving spouse would. It's really sweet. They had great onscreen chemistry and they both played it very well. Bill Asher said it best "they (Samantha & Darrin) were in love and they (Elizabeth & York) acted like it." Montgomery didn't have quite that sweetness of relationship with Dick Sargent's Darrin.

you can see some of that affection here:

https://youtu.be/BUfUne6swVE?t=67

Here's the full quote from William Asher in the Bewitched E! True Hollywood Story (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlI-IDxoI-0) (I'm sure you know it).

"The relationship with Dick York and Samantha was very passionate. They were... they were in love and they acted like it. And it was, it was obvious. With Dick Sargent, it wasn't quite as convincing."

tcr1701
07-05-2022, 02:05 PM
Here's the full quote from William Asher in the Bewitched E! True Hollywood Story (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlI-IDxoI-0) (I'm sure you know it).

"The relationship with Dick York and Samantha was very passionate. They were... they were in love and they acted like it. And it was, it was obvious. With Dick Sargent, it wasn't quite as convincing."

Yes! That's it! York and Montgomery really worked onscreen no matter what may or may not have happened behind the scenes.