In 1993 while Kim Fields and the cast of Living Single was promoting their new show on The Arsenio Hall Show, disturbing information was revealed: Guys would walk around and peek at Kim and the other girls changing their clothes (allegedly). Type in "Living Single Cast on Arsenio 1993 Queen Latifah Kim Fields Kim Coles Erica Alexander" in the Youtube Search. It starts @ 4:32: (Allegedly)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxITFMWQ2vQ

What she describes sounds very messed up.

Felice did say that they overheard guys talking about their bodies on the show.

Felice did say that they overheard guys talking about their bodies on the show.

Indeed she did.

Felice did say that they overheard guys talking about their bodies on the show.


What??? You mean on FOL????

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Yikes, sadly doesn’t surprise me at all

What??? You mean on FOL????

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Yes, Felice said it in some Facts of Life documentary.

Yes, Felice said it in some Facts of Life documentary.

I think it was Cast Confessions.

Yikes, sadly doesn’t surprise me at all

"Boys will be boys"!

unfortunately, and particularly back then

"Boys will be boys"!

unfortunately, and particularly back then

Yep! That always reminds me of the principal on Reba asking if she’s familiar with that phrase and Reba replies, “Yeah I’m familiar with it, I’ve just never heard anyone stupid enough to repeat it!”

Yep! That always reminds me of the principal on Reba asking if she’s familiar with that phrase and Reba replies, “Yeah I’m familiar with it, I’ve just never heard anyone stupid enough to repeat it!”

Oohhhh! Reba burn! (Yeah!)

Yep! That always reminds me of the principal on Reba asking if she’s familiar with that phrase and Reba replies, “Yeah I’m familiar with it, I’ve just never heard anyone stupid enough to repeat it!”

Gotta agree with Reba, here.
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Let's not forget that for a good part of the 'Out RAGE ous' session in which Tootie was being set up to model clothes, not only did the shutterbug keep shouting 'Out RAGE ous' when she'd pose but the show itself depicted the shots as though these were supposed to be provocative even though Miss Field's was clearly underage.

Yes, Mrs. G. got to cluck a bit and get Tootie OUT of it by the episode's end, but not before those pics were posted on the show itself (and they did nothing to try to help out the other model who 'jokingly' tried to extend her shelf-life with the perving pic man by claiming to be 'just twelve' years old).

Let's not forget that for a good part of the 'Out RAGE ous' session in which Tootie was being set up to model clothes, not only did the shutterbug keep shouting 'Out RAGE ous' when she'd pose but the show itself depicted the shots as though these were supposed to be provocative even though Miss Field's was clearly underage.

Yes, Mrs. G. got to cluck a bit and get Tootie OUT of it by the episode's end, but not before those pics were posted on the show itself (and they did nothing to try to help out the other model who 'jokingly' tried to extend her shelf-life with the perving pic man by claiming to be 'just twelve' years old).

I don't think there was anything "out RAGE ous" about the episode itself. The photos in that session were harmless; it was what was going to happen next that was outrageous. The episode was pointing out that girls were being victimized by the modeling industry (or pervy photographers). It was portraying reality. Brooke Shields' mother, for example, was pushing her daughter to pose nude.

And actually, oddly enough, we see a bit of a reflection of the sleaze in the early 1980s modeling industry in Julie Anne's 1982 video, where her mom has to explicitly state that Julie Anne is not going to do nude shoots (she was only 17 in 1982). Julie Pie, similarly, was just 18 when she won the starring role in Saturday the 14th (https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0682161/trivia), but gave up the role because it included a topless scene. Sue Ann was again replaced by Foxy, this time in the form of Kari Michaelsen.

Let's not forget that for a good part of the 'Out RAGE ous' session in which Tootie was being set up to model clothes, not only did the shutterbug keep shouting 'Out RAGE ous' when she'd pose but the show itself depicted the shots as though these were supposed to be provocative even though Miss Field's was clearly underage.

Yes, Mrs. G. got to cluck a bit and get Tootie OUT of it by the episode's end, but not before those pics were posted on the show itself (and they did nothing to try to help out the other model who 'jokingly' tried to extend her shelf-life with the perving pic man by claiming to be 'just twelve' years old).

The photographer in that episode was rubbing Kim Fields face which was also creepy (allegedly).

I don't think there was anything "out RAGE ous" about the episode itself. The photos in that session were harmless; it was what was going to happen next that was outrageous. The episode was pointing out that girls were being victimized by the modeling industry (or pervy photographers). It was portraying reality. Brooke Shields' mother, for example, was pushing her daughter to pose nude.

And actually, oddly enough, we see a bit of a reflection of the sleaze in the early 1980s modeling industry in Julie Anne's 1982 video, where her mom has to explicitly state that Julie Anne is not going to do nude shoots (she was only 17 in 1982). Julie Pie, similarly, was just 18 when she won the starring role in Saturday the 14th (https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0682161/trivia), but gave up the role because it included a topless scene. Sue Ann was again replaced by Foxy, this time in the form of Kari Michaelsen.


Retro,

The episode had each of the photos reproduced- as though it was encouraging the viewers (who were not ALL underage) to identify with the shutterbug who was getting increasingly hot and bothered by her poses! That was FOUL and should never have been allowed! They could have just kept the focus on her face which would have been more likely kept the viewers in HER corner re how distasteful it was to her and how uncomfortable she was getting over this which was WHY she wanted to keep away after it was all over.

Let me put it this way: Alfred Hitchcock definitely had his faults (and it seems was downright cruel and creepy with Tippi Hendren) but even he had the taste to never show Norman Bates's knife actually STAB Janet Leigh's character in the 'Psycho' shower scene even with dozens of shots of the knife and blood in the shower drain with the screechy violin score!

Retro,

The episode had each of the photos reproduced- as though it was encouraging the viewers (who were not ALL underage) to identify with the shutterbug who was getting increasingly hot and bothered by her poses! That was FOUL and should never have been allowed! They could have just kept the focus on her face which would have been more likely kept the viewers in HER corner re how distasteful it was to her and how uncomfortable she was getting over this which was WHY she wanted to keep away after it was all over.

Let me put it this way: Alfred Hitchcock definitely had his faults (and it seems was downright cruel and creepy with Tippi Hendren) but even he had the taste to never show Norman Bates's knife actually STAB Janet Leigh's character in the 'Psycho' shower scene even with dozens of shots of the knife and blood in the shower drain with the screechy violin score!

I sure appreciate your take on this, PracTz, but I personally have no problems with seeing photos of Tootie in a Egyptian headdress and costume. She could have worn the same thing for Halloween. The photos they showed were appropriate. What was going to happen next was wholly inappropriate, and thankfully, Mrs. Garrett had the wisdom to get Tootie out of there!

Retro,

It wasn't the pics themselves that were distasteful,IMO it was the REACTION of the photographer that was- and that the audience was show EXACTLY what he was reacting to via the resulting photos being displayed (it seemed to be encouraging inappropriate reactions among grown men) .

Retro,

It wasn't the pics themselves that were distasteful,IMO it was the REACTION of the photographer that was- and that the audience was show EXACTLY what he was reacting to via the resulting photos being displayed (it seemed to be encouraging inappropriate reactions among grown men) .

I think they were portraying a very real, and disgusting, thing happening in the "fashion" world at that time, not encouraging it. This was already going on. They were showing young women that it's okay to walk away from a job offer like this, and young girls that they don't have to feel pressured into doing anything for money. At the end, Tootie knows it's okay for her to just be a kid and get hot dogs in Central Park, and all of her friends support her.

Retro,

The episode had each of the photos reproduced- as though it was encouraging the viewers (who were not ALL underage) to identify with the shutterbug who was getting increasingly hot and bothered by her poses! That was FOUL and should never have been allowed! They could have just kept the focus on her face which would have been more likely kept the viewers in HER corner re how distasteful it was to her and how uncomfortable she was getting over this which was WHY she wanted to keep away after it was all over.

Let me put it this way: Alfred Hitchcock definitely had his faults (and it seems was downright cruel and creepy with Tippi Hendren) but even he had the taste to never show Norman Bates's knife actually STAB Janet Leigh's character in the 'Psycho' shower scene even with dozens of shots of the knife and blood in the shower drain with the screechy violin score!


ALFRED HITCHCOCK is such a genius and his movies are a masterpiece!
And the reason he didn't show his knife at all, was because back in the day Horror movies were brilliant and nothing at all like the violent and disgusting scenes they show nowadays: back in time it was more about fear and less about brutality...

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Why are these allegations being made decades after the series ended?

Why are these allegations being made decades after the series ended?

I think, when looking back, people realize how messed up the past truly was. But it takes times to distance oneself from what's happening.

Why are these allegations being made decades after the series ended?

This wasn't decades after the show ended. This was 5 years after the show ended.

Alfred Hitchcock...but even he had the taste to never show Norman Bates's knife actually STAB Janet Leigh's character in the 'Psycho' shower scene even with dozens of shots of the knife and blood in the shower drain with the screechy violin score!

According to Mrs. Garrett though, using her own quote, "That's even worse," because it's being suggested and you're believing you're actually seeing what's not even there (many viewers still think they saw the actual stabbing).

I personally have no problems with seeing photos of Tootie in a Egyptian headdress and costume. She could have worn the same thing for Halloween. The photos they showed were appropriate.

It wasn't the pics themselves that were distasteful,IMO it was the REACTION of the photographer that was

I think the photos were inappropriate when he was having her snarl/growl/"make love" to the camera. Other than that, yeah, the outfit was totally fine. (and pretty cool!)

This wasn't decades after the show ended. This was 5 years after the show ended.

If there are allegations that something criminal happened, they would be more credible if they were made before the statute of limitations expired.

I think the photos were inappropriate when he was having her snarl/growl/"make love" to the camera. Other than that, yeah, the outfit was totally fine. (and pretty cool!)

The growl showed how out of her element Tootie was: she didn't know how to growl at the camera because she was just a kid. PracTz seemed to be saying that the show was being inappropriate, but all The Facts of Life was doing was depicting how a 12-year-old girl wouldn't know how to act when told how to snarl and "make love" to the camera, and depicted her as feeling like she just wanted to be a kid. Tootie said what he was asking her to do at the end was embarrassing. He was trying to get her to be "sexy", but everyone else in the room knew that that wasn't appropriate.

Retro,

It wasn't the show itself that IMO was inappropriate but they COULD have depicted everything else without reproducing the photos themselves that were getting that creep excited.

Retro,

It wasn't the show itself that IMO was inappropriate but they COULD have depicted everything else without reproducing the photos themselves that were getting that creep excited.

I thought they were depicting the photos that the guy claimed would make Tootie a star. I mean, he was a super creep, but the photos were just normal headshots.

Regardless, I think we can all agree we're glad Mrs. Garrett made the right decision to get Tootie out of there!

In 1982, Julie Anne appeared in a documentary about children in Hollywood. But at one point, her mom, Kathryn, is asked about Julie Anne doing a nude scene. Kathryn states that Julie Anne wouldn't do it, which of course is fantastic, but the early 1980s were so weird that this was a question that came up in a documentary.

Julie Anne's part is at about 48 minutes into this video.
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I mean, he was a super creep, but the photos were just normal headshots.

Regardless, I think we can all agree we're glad Mrs. Garrett made the right decision to get Tootie out of there!

I like how the show handled that aspect and didn't portray him as acting creepy in a predator way. He doesn't come off with a super creepy vibe, unlike "The Bicycle Man" of DS or some other TV episodes.

I like how the show handled that aspect and didn't portray him as acting creepy in a predator way. He doesn't come off with a super creepy vibe, unlike "The Bicycle Man" of DS or some other TV episodes.

I agree; it just starts off as a photo shoot where things start off fairly normal, with Mrs. Garrett there to make sure Tootie is comfortable and supervised.

I thought they were depicting the photos that the guy claimed would make Tootie a star. I mean, he was a super creep, but the photos were just normal headshots.

Regardless, I think we can all agree we're glad Mrs. Garrett made the right decision to get Tootie out of there!

In 1982, Julie Anne appeared in a documentary about children in Hollywood. But at one point, her mom, Kathryn, is asked about Julie Anne doing a nude scene. Kathryn states that Julie Anne wouldn't do it, which of course is fantastic, but the early 1980s were so weird that this was a question that came up in a documentary.

Julie Anne's part is at about 48 minutes into this video.
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Julie Anne appears to be so much like Cindy in this.This was probably taped in 1980 after she became a Lost Girl/

Julie Anne appears to be so much like Cindy in this.This was probably taped in 1980 after she became a Lost Girl/

It aired in 1982, and I don't know why they would wait that long to air it.

Yes, she does have a lot of Cindy's traits: that willowy wistfulness, for sure. One special I wish I could find is her special with Bob Hope. Julie Anne and Brooke Shields (and two other girls) meet Bob Hope in a '50s diner, from what I recall, and then other celebs appear, too.

I didn't want to post this right away, because it's on the surface, merely "here-say" and I don't want to be accused of slandering people, but there was this story that was posted in the "blind items" (http://www.agcwebpages.com/BLINDITEMS/2020/AUGUST.html) from over a year ago, that suggests (https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2020/08/todays-blind-items-groomed.html) that a lot of inappropriate stuff was carried out on the set of The Facts of Life, especially by the older actors and producers on set. And if not that, then the young actresses were given storylines that were way beyond their years.

I didn't want to post this right away, because it's on the surface, merely "here-say" and I don't want to be accused of slandering people, but there was this story that was posted in the "blind items" (http://www.agcwebpages.com/BLINDITEMS/2020/AUGUST.html) from over a year ago, that suggests (https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2020/08/todays-blind-items-groomed.html) that a lot of inappropriate stuff was carried out on the set of The Facts of Life, especially by the older actors and producers on set. And if not that, then the young actresses were given storylines that were way beyond their years.

I never buy those blind items. The blind item doesn't even name the show, so the identification of this show as FOL is a rumor based on a rumor.

And if not that, then the young actresses were given storylines that were way beyond their years.

True, the writers were told to write the girls as if they were 25 instead of teenagers.

True, the writers were told to write the girls as if they were 25 instead of teenagers.

It doesn't sound like FOL since they seemed to write them as though they were eleven-years-old even when Miss Whelchel herself became 25!

Blind Items is just a conspiracy website.

Felice did say that they overheard guys talking about their bodies on the show.

One of the things that I found extremely uncomfortable (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JiggleShow) and creepy about the first season (http://basementrejects.com/review/the-facts-of-life-season-1/) is how seemingly the girls were sexualized as perhaps, evident in a scene where they discuss lingerie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-MLsXHU434). And they would often have the older girls such as Blair dress in these skimpy (https://web.archive.org/web/20140331140306/http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/2625067-the-facts-of-life/page-2#entry1472488) short-shorts (https://www.televisionofyore.com/recaps-of-the-facts-of-life/the-facts-of-life-season-1-episode-2). Even Margie Peters and Linda Marsh, when they were asked to lead the retooling effort (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=390557) of the show (http://www.televisionhits.com/factsoflife/anniversary/1980.html) come Season 2, noticed how inappropriate the girls' wardrobe often came across.

One of the things that I found extremely uncomfortable (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JiggleShow) and creepy about the first season (http://basementrejects.com/review/the-facts-of-life-season-1/) is how seemingly the girls were sexualized as perhaps, evident in a scene where they discuss lingerie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-MLsXHU434). And they would often have the older girls such as Blair dress in these skimpy (https://web.archive.org/web/20140331140306/http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/2625067-the-facts-of-life/page-2#entry1472488) short-shorts (https://www.televisionofyore.com/recaps-of-the-facts-of-life/the-facts-of-life-season-1-episode-2). Even Margie Peters and Linda Marsh, when they were asked to lead the retooling effort (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=390557) of the show (http://www.televisionhits.com/factsoflife/anniversary/1980.html) come Season 2, noticed how inappropriate the girls' wardrobe often came across.

Did you see what Lisa, Julie, , Felice, Nancy M. wore off set during this time?

What I like about the season 2 style is that the girls wear their uniforms most of the time when they are at Eastland, in season 1 they have regular clothes. After they open "Over Our Heads", the style goes down :lol:

What I like about the season 2 style is that the girls wear their uniforms most of the time when they are at Eastland, in season 1 they have regular clothes. After they open "Over Our Heads", the style goes down :lol:

I think in Season 1, they don't really need to wear school uniforms in the house unless they are going to class. In Season 2, most of the scenes were in the Cafeteria and school, so they would be wearing uniforms unless they were working like gally slaves for Mrs. Garrett.

I think in Season 1, they don't really need to wear school uniforms in the house unless they are going to class. In Season 2, most of the scenes were in the Cafeteria and school, so they would be wearing uniforms unless they were working like gally slaves for Mrs. Garrett.

Speaking of uniforms, when was the last time we saw Tootie in one? Did she even wear an Eastland uniform in Season 7?

I think in Season 1, they don't really need to wear school uniforms in the house unless they are going to class. In Season 2, most of the scenes were in the Cafeteria and school, so they would be wearing uniforms unless they were working like gally slaves for Mrs. Garrett.

Yeah, you're right about season 1, but the uniforms give the show that boarding school flavor :lol: