If this story is really true, in that this guy is really the Zodiac killer, then once again, my mind is blown at how many cold cases (and which specific ones) have been solved after so many years.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/cold-case-zodiac-killer-identified-murder

Yes its good they dont give up on some of em!!!!!!!!!

If there was ever a monster who I thought would NEVER be caught it was the Original Night Stalker, but they got it in 2018 after 40+ years. So I'm guessing anything's possible. Unfortunately this suspect in the Zodiac saga died in 2018 so he won't face any justice...well not in this world anyway. :(

What's all this about him having a posse of killers? This guy was out living Red Dead Redemption in real life apparently.

Yawn. I think the better question is "Who isn't the Zodiac Killer?".

So the evidence presented thus far is that he had wrinkles on his forehead? Like...that's it? This same group claimed to have identified DB Cooper a few years ago. I don't buy it.

Yawn. I think the better question is "Who isn't the Zodiac Killer?".

Well, I'M not.....

That's one down.

So the evidence presented thus far is that he had wrinkles on his forehead? Like...that's it? This same group claimed to have identified DB Cooper a few years ago. I don't buy it.

The "wrinkles" are actually scars on his forehead which closely match the suspect sketch. And that is not the only evidence presented. Two relatives of Poste claimed six years ago that Gary Francis Poste was the Zodiac Killer (https://www.nationalworld.com/news/people/who-is-the-zodiac-killer-how-gary-francis-poste-was-caught-as-cold-case-investigators-reveal-identity-3410854); one said she left the state to avoid him.

And there is forensic evidence:


The team said it had based its case on forensic evidence, photos found in Poste’s own darkroom and on some of the serial killer’s coded notes.

The forensic evidence proved Poste killed Cheri Jo Bates, the group claimed.

Bates was murdered in 1966 and has been connected by some to the Zodiac Killer - although the San Francisco Chronicle said this theory had been debunked by local police in August.

Poste was also said to bear a resemblance to a 1969 police sketch of the Zodiac Killer thanks to scars on his forehead.

And the letters of his name were found to change the meaning of the ciphers the serial killer had sent in letters to newspapers, and identified Poste as the killer.

The "wrinkles" are actually scars on his forehead which closely match the suspect sketch. And that is not the only evidence presented. Two relatives of Poste claimed six years ago that Gary Francis Poste was the Zodiac Killer (https://www.nationalworld.com/news/people/who-is-the-zodiac-killer-how-gary-francis-poste-was-caught-as-cold-case-investigators-reveal-identity-3410854); one said she left the state to avoid him.

And there is forensic evidence:

The Riverside Police knew (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Zodiac-Killer-case-solved-Case-Breakers-16514228.php) about this guy 6 years ago. When he was alive. They ruled him out as being responsible for the murder of Cheri Jo Bates. Here is "The Case Breakers" press release (https://secureservercdn.net/166.62.114.250/g9q.07b.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Zodiac-Killer-Press-release-1-1.pdf). It looks like something a middle schooler would come up with. It's also kind of funny how they are matching "scars" to a sketch that was amended (https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/zodiac-killer-CROPPED.jpg) by witnesses to get rid of said "scars" on the Zodiac.

The Riverside Police knew (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Zodiac-Killer-case-solved-Case-Breakers-16514228.php) about this guy 6 years ago. When he was alive. They ruled him out as being responsible for the murder of Cheri Jo Bates.

And here is the response from the Case Breakers team: "The real portion here has everything to do with ego and arrogance," Case Breakers team member Bill Proctor, a former police officer, told Fox News of the Riverside Police Department. "They're not talking about what they have which means that anybody else who comes to the table might have a reasonable argument that an outside organization's information is as valuable, if not more valuable, than what the police department has already done."


Here is "The Case Breakers" press release (https://secureservercdn.net/166.62.114.250/g9q.07b.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Zodiac-Killer-Press-release-1-1.pdf). It looks like something a middle schooler would come up with.

You think a middle schooler came up with this?

1) On 10/30/66, Riverside PD detectives collected a wristwatch with a broken band, thought to have come off the killer during his assault. Investigators believe this Timex was purchased at a military base PX. (In the mid-1960s, Poste was a USAF veteran receiving medical check-ups for a gun accident injury at the March Air Force Base hospital – just a 15-minute drive from Bates’ college murder scene).

2) Forensic lab also noted paint spattered on the wristwatch’s face. (In 1963, veteran Poste became a housepainter for over 40 years; was the watch strap checked for DNA?).

3) Also found: a heelprint in the dirt, later confirmed to be from “a military-style boot,” size 10. (The same style and shoe size found at three other Zodiac crime scenes – and style/size of Poste).

For 7 years, nobody in authority would listen to Wil – until The Case Breakers were alerted. A sample from his hour interview about Poste: “He had a great side. He just didn't have a conscience. He could kill indiscriminately. And I mean, you know, he's pretty much proven that over the years, he couldn't even stop after he moved up here. Uh, he still had to continue to kill, even if it was small animals just to make himself feel better. I've seen him kill bears, deer, otter, um, ferrets. Marmots, just anything that lived, he liked to shoot them, watch [them] fall down. He liked to mess with the carcasses when he was done. He just got bloody.”

I find it a little hard to believe that a middle schooler would be able to research where someone was receiving medical check-ups, or that a watch with paint on it, found at the crime scene, would be matched to a house painter by a middle schooler. It sounds like you're blowing smoke.

It's also kind of funny how they are matching "scars" to a sketch that was amended (https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/zodiac-killer-CROPPED.jpg) by witnesses to get rid of said "scars" on the Zodiac.

Even the amended drawing shows deep creases in the forehead.

And there's no answer from you about why two of the suspect's relatives have identified him as the Zodiac Killer. Are they also middle schoolers?

Please don't anybody say they buy this story. The evidence for this guy is incredibly thin. LE ruled him out years ago for the Bates murder. I understand that LE isn't always right, but if they ruled him out, we have what, exactly:

Same size and type of boot?! Wow. Nobody else on earth has size 10s and wore that type of boot in an era where the draft was still in effect! Sheesh.

Forehead wrinkles and/or scars? That is sooo rare!

Brown hair? Now we're getting places!

Two days ago, I read another story of some guy from Oregon who someone claimed was the Zodiac and his name was also spelled out in the cipher. Stop it.

Another day, another story about another person someone is sure was the Zodiac.

And here is the response from the Case Breakers team: "The real portion here has everything to do with ego and arrogance," Case Breakers team member Bill Proctor, a former police officer, told Fox News of the Riverside Police Department. "They're not talking about what they have which means that anybody else who comes to the table might have a reasonable argument that an outside organization's information is as valuable, if not more valuable, than what the police department has already done."

From the article I linked:

As for any Zodiac links to Bates’ murder, Railsback said his department worked with FBI agents to debunk a letter and other indicators that had purportedly pointed to the Zodiac, and in August announced that information along with a $50,000 reward for tips leading to Bates’ actual killer. The Case Breakers called him about the reward, he said, but they didn’t follow up when he asked for more information.

Imagine my shock.

You think a middle schooler came up with this?

It looks like a middle schooler's book report. As in, "Cheri Jo Bates was found murdered with a wrist watch at the scene. Guess who else wore wrist watches?! Gary Poste!"

I find it a little hard to believe that a middle schooler would be able to research where someone was receiving medical check-ups, or that a watch with paint on it, found at the crime scene, would be matched to a house painter by a middle schooler. It sounds like you're blowing smoke.

-The wristwatch was found at the Bates homicide scene. They believe it was purchased at a military base. Poste was receiving medical checkups at a military base 15 miles away from where Bates was murdered. Okay?

-There was paint found on the wristwatch. Poste was a housepainter.

-The bootprint found at the crime scene was thought to have come from a "military style boot". Poste wore the "same size".

-There was brown hair found in Bates's clenched fist. Poste had brown hair.

^ That is literally the evidence they presented and deemed it "forensic". Give me a break.

Even the amended drawing shows deep creases in the forehead.

Quite different from the lines that the non-amended one that they are comparing to the Poste picture in their "evidence".

And there's no answer from you about why two of the suspect's relatives have identified him as the Zodiac Killer. Are they also middle schoolers?

They suspected he was the Zodiac because he had a tempter and attacked one with a hammer. What makes these people any different than the other myriad of people coming out of the woodwork to claim that their father/brother/uncle/etc. was the Zodiac? This (https://time.com/5798214/zodiac-killer-true-story-fx/) was last year. And the press ran with it.

Insofar as the relatives coming forward to state he was the killer, I could care less. Yeah, and I'm the freaking Lindbergh Baby. How many so-called relatives have come forward for so many unsolved crimes, let alone just for this one?

The worst instance of this was that kid who did that TV show that claimed his relative Edward Wayne Edwards committed practically every famous murder which he would have been alive to do. This was undoubtedly the ****tiest program ever aired in the genre and should never have gotten past the initial laugh out the door of the network.

It looks like a middle schooler's book report. As in, "Cheri Jo Bates was found murdered with a wrist watch at the scene. Guess who else wore wrist watches?! Gary Poste!"

It doesn't say that at all. You wrote that. Are you a middle schooler?

What you've done, here, is created a straw man argument: something the group didn't say, so you can tear it down. But if their theory is incorrect, it won't need to be torn down by a fake quote. No more of those, please.


-The wristwatch was found at the Bates homicide scene. They believe it was purchased at a military base. Poste was receiving medical checkups at a military base 15 miles away from where Bates was murdered. Okay?

-There was paint found on the wristwatch. Poste was a housepainter.

-The bootprint found at the crime scene was thought to have come from a "military style boot". Poste wore the "same size".

-There was brown hair found in Bates's clenched fist. Poste had brown hair.

^ That is literally the evidence they presented and deemed it "forensic". Give me a break.

Yes, shoe sizes, hair color, and paint are all considered forensic evidence. You'd have to be a middle schooler to not understand that.


They suspected he was the Zodiac because he had a tempter and attacked one with a hammer.

Yes, people who actually knew this man stated openly and repeatedly that he was the Zodiac Killer. but clearly you know more than the man's own relatives. What evidence do you have, from when you lived with this man, that exonerates him?

It doesn't say that at all. You wrote that. Are you a middle schooler?

What you've done, here, is created a straw man argument: something the group didn't say, so you can tear it down. But if their theory is incorrect, it won't need to be torn down by a fake quote. No more of those, please.



Yes, shoe sizes, hair color, and paint are all considered forensic evidence. You'd have to be a middle schooler to not understand that.



Yes, people who actually knew this man stated openly and repeatedly that he was the Zodiac Killer. but clearly you know more than the man's own relatives. What evidence do you have, from when you lived with this man, that exonerates him?

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What's all this about him having a posse of killers? This guy was out living Red Dead Redemption in real life apparently.

Yeah, and it now appears some in this "posse" claim he was the Zodiac Killer, too. If they can find the guns/weapons that were buried in the woods, it could lead to a ballistics match.

Apparently, law enforcement has Gary Francis Poste's DNA after he was arrested in 2016 for pushing his wife down the stairs (https://www.the-sun.com/news/3814476/unmasked-zodiac-killer-gary-poste-jailed-attack0wife/). And the quote from his neighbors and former friends seem telling: "1000 per cent I do believe I grew up next door to the Zodiac," his neighbor says (https://www.the-sun.com/news/3810537/zodiac-killer-gary-poste-babysat/).

Poste served in the military, and was an aircraft mechanic and cryptologic technician. After leaving the Air Force, he became a survivalist living in the Sierra Mountains. He married in 1971, around the time the killings stopped, but his neighbor says he was abusive to his wife, and she witnessed some of the violence. His daughter-in-law later left the state after being harassed by him and the posse.

Poste's posse of guys were survivalists. they would hunt in the mountains, and one of them says Poste would revel in the blood. One of the posse members says when he asked Poste straight out if he was Zodiac, Poste left him a copy of the Graysmith book.


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Thanks; I just think we do a disservice to the victims when we don't explore every lead by dismissing evidence out of hand. In this case, we've got multiple people who knew him stating GFP was the Zodiac, he's got a history of violence, he had a cryptologic background, and there is forensic evidence. I think the people immediately dismissing Gary Francis Poste as a suspect, within hours of the news story, are crazy.

It doesn't say that at all. You wrote that. Are you a middle schooler?

No but I used to be one.

What you've done, here, is created a straw man argument: something the group didn't say, so you can tear it down. But if their theory is incorrect, it won't need to be torn down by a fake quote. No more of those, please.

It's quite literally in their "report" aka press release.

On 10/30/66, Riverside PD detectives collected a wristwatch with a broken band, thought to have come off the killer during his assault. Investigators believe this Timex was purchased at a military base PX. (In the mid-1960s, Poste was a USAF veteran receiving medical check-ups for a gun accident injury at the March Air Force Base hospital – just a 15-minute drive from Bates’ college murder scene).

That is what you call "forensic" evidence?


Yes, shoe sizes, hair color, and paint are all considered forensic evidence. You'd have to be a middle schooler to not understand that.

None of which conclusively links Poste to the Zodiac, let alone the Cheri Jo Bates murder. He was ruled out by law enforcement in the Bates murder, and the Bates murder has yet to be conclusively tied to the Zodiac.

Yes, people who actually knew this man stated openly and repeatedly that he was the Zodiac Killer. but clearly you know more than the man's own relatives. What evidence do you have, from when you lived with this man, that exonerates him?

This (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-apr-30-me-zodiac30-story.html) woman said that her father was the Zodiac. This (https://time.com/5798214/zodiac-killer-true-story-fx/) man believes his father was the Zodiac. This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrsCdanT8-8&ab_channel=warl0ck999) man said his stepfather was the Zodiac killer. I'm guessing these people are all telling the truth, since they are their own relatives, and they all claim that their father was the Zodiac.

These same "experts" claimed (https://www.oregonlive.com/news/erry-2018/08/76268e4b361333/db-cooper-secret-ciphers-relea.html) to have discovered the identity of DB Cooper, but that blew (https://twitter.com/Billyjensen/status/1446129078839349264?s=20) up in their faces. As for evidence that I have that exonerates Poste? The actual investigators (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58837900):

Officials in California have said the man identified by private investigators as the so-called Zodiac Killer is not currently a suspect in the case.

But law enforcement agencies have batted down their claims.

Local police in San Francisco and Riverside also dismissed the group's "circumstantial evidence".

It's quite literally in their "report" aka press release.

No, it's quite literally not. You made up that fake quote ("Cheri Jo Bates was found murdered with a wrist watch at the scene. Guess who else wore wrist watches?! Gary Poste!") to attack a position the investigators don't hold: that because Gary Francis Post had a watch, he's the killer.


That is what you call "forensic" evidence?

Heel prints, hair color, and paint are indeed forensic evidence. There's no need for quotes.


None of which conclusively links Poste to the Zodiac, let alone the Cheri Jo Bates murder. He was ruled out by law enforcement in the Bates murder, and the Bates murder has yet to be conclusively tied to the Zodiac.

And we all know the police have never made mistakes, or had to refactor when a case is reexamined. ;)


This (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-apr-30-me-zodiac30-story.html) woman said that her father was the Zodiac. This (https://time.com/5798214/zodiac-killer-true-story-fx/) man believes his father was the Zodiac. This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrsCdanT8-8&ab_channel=warl0ck999) man said his stepfather was the Zodiac killer. I'm guessing these people are all telling the truth, since they are their own relatives, and they all claim that their father was the Zodiac.

In this case, we have multiple people who knew him stating he was the Zodiac. It certainly deserves examination.


These same "experts" claimed (https://www.oregonlive.com/news/erry-2018/08/76268e4b361333/db-cooper-secret-ciphers-relea.html) to have discovered the identity of DB Cooper, but that blew (https://twitter.com/Billyjensen/status/1446129078839349264?s=20) up in their faces. As for evidence that I have that exonerates Poste? The actual investigators (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58837900):

Okay, you don't have any special evidence, and you didn't know him. Those who knew him say he was the Zodiac Killer.

Paul Drexler, author of Notorious San Francisco: True Tales of Crime, Passion and Murder (https://www.amazon.com/Notorious-San-Francisco-Passion-Murder/dp/1987902556), says the Gary Francis Poste theory is "intriguing" (https://www.crimetraveller.org/2021/10/has-the-zodiac-finally-been-discovered/) and deserves examination:


I’m intrigued but not convinced. At this point, there are too many unknowns and witnesses who need to be further questioned.

A major barrier to solving the Zodiac case is the lack of reliable forensic data. The DNA gathered from the stamps of Zodiac’s letters has deteriorated and can only be used to eliminate suspects.

There are partial fingerprints on one of the Zodiac victim’s car, but they are too incomplete to identify the killer. Witnesses have said that the Zodiac always wore gloves.

We have the bullets from the victims and shell casings. But without having the guns that shot these bullets, their value is limited.

Handwriting analysis is the last forensic applicable in this case. But this is not an exact science and handwriting experts often disagree.

One of the most intriguing aspects of Colbert’s theory is that it has the potential to deliver complete DNA evidence, based on a case where the Zodiac is a suspect.

And there is this (https://www.theunion.com/news/yet-to-be-published-memoir-possibly-ids-zodiac-killer-says-he-killed-tahoe-woman-hung-remains-in-tree/):


The Tahoe Daily Tribune used those anagram solutions in June 2020, and like Julin did with a few others and a compass in 2015, went right to the tree near Zephyr Cove RV Park and Campground, across U.S. Highway 50, the Lincoln Highway, from where the M.S. Dixie II docks.

A Coast Guard agent who volunteered to help Julin search for the tree using his cipher solutions helped solve part of a puzzle by recognizing a wind barb on the card. In the book Julin quotes him as saying, “From where we are standing, from right here at the end of the dock next to the ship (M.S. Dixie II), the wind barb symbol found on the Halloween Card points directly down the dock. It indicates the prevailing wind direction here. The wind blows down the dock to shore. Southeast.”

What evidence do you have, from when you lived with this man, that exonerates him?

He doesn't need to be exonerated. He is innocent and needs to be proven guilty first, that hasn't happened yet.

This is the problem with the mentality of modern internet sleuthing.

So the evidence presented thus far is that he had wrinkles on his forehead? Like...that's it? This same group claimed to have identified DB Cooper a few years ago. I don't buy it.

With the various research into the issues with eye witness identification I have a hard time believing someone was sitting there going "there was one wrinkle that dipped in the middle, then one shorter one on the left side of it half an inch below it, and another shorter one on the right side 3/4 of an inch below it"

These lines are likely random from the artist after the witness said he had creases on his forehead, as most men over 30 do.

No, it's quite literally not. You made up that fake quote ("Cheri Jo Bates was found murdered with a wrist watch at the scene. Guess who else wore wrist watches?! Gary Poste!") to attack a position the investigators don't hold: that because Gary Francis Post had a watch, he's the killer.

The "investigators" quite literally made the connection to Gary Poste because he went to an army hospital 15 miles away from the murder scene that sold similar watches to the one found at the scene. I was mocking their ridiculous "evidence". Their "evidence" is lackluster. There is no DNA. No fingerprint matches. They tie him to the scene through shoddy means because this essentially boils down to trying to sell another special like they did with the DB Cooper "bombshell" a year or so ago.


Heel prints, hair color, and paint are indeed forensic evidence. There's no need for quotes.

And...which of these items have conclusively linked Poste? For example, the "boot" print that they link to the Cheri Jo Bates crime scene was not a boot. It was a heel print from a low cut military dress (https://zodiackillerfacts.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=1034&fullsize=1) shoe.

And we all know the police have never made mistakes, or had to refactor when a case is reexamined. ;)

They certainly did make mistakes. But it seems like they aren't falling for fraudulent claims and aren't taking Poste seriously as a suspect.

In this case, we have multiple people who knew him stating he was the Zodiac. It certainly deserves examination.

No it doesn't. There have been several people over the years who have claimed to have been related to or known who the "real" Zodiac killer was. None of these claims held any merit.

Okay, you don't have any special evidence, and you didn't know him. Those who knew him say he was the Zodiac Killer.

Again, from this (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Zodiac-Killer-case-solved-Case-Breakers-16514228.php) article:

“Is there a chance that (the Case Breakers suspect) killed Cheri Jo Bates? No,” Riverside Police Officer Ryan Railsback told The Chronicle. “If you read what they (the Case Breakers) put out, it’s all circumstantial evidence. It’s not a whole lot.”

The Chronicle was called six years ago by a relative of the Case Breakers suspect, who said the man lived in Groveland (Tuolumne County) and had tried to kill him with a hammer. He contacted investigators, but when The Chronicle followed up with law enforcement, they said the Zodiac connection did not appear to be there.

David Oranchak of Virginia, who led a team that the FBI confirmed cracked the Zodiac’s 340 Cipher in December, said Wednesday it was improbable that the Case Breakers were correct in their analysis that the killer’s ciphers contained their suspect’s name. The Case Breakers were interpreting anagrams, he said, and that technique can produce a dizzying array of names and words with easy manipulation.

Don’t bother arguing with Cars. He’s the same dude who thinks Cindy James killed herself. :rolleyes: Just add him to your ignore list and move on. He’s been on mine for years.

The "investigators" quite literally

I wish you would stop saying "quite literally" because you don't seem to know what it means. "Quite literally" doesn't mean "figuratively". You concocted a quote that is not literally in the report. There's no need to fabricate fake quotes.

made the connection to Gary Poste because he went to an army hospital 15 miles away from the murder scene that sold similar watches to the one found at the scene.

I believe they were looking at opportunity: did a suspect have the opportunity to commit a crime? In this case: yes, he was in the area at the time. It's a good way to eliminate suspects after, for example, multiple people have stated they believe he was the Zodiac Killer.


I was mocking their ridiculous "evidence".

No, I'm well aware you have been mocking what these investigators are saying, concocting quotes and changing what they have said in order to belittle their theory.


For example, the "boot" print that they link to the Cheri Jo Bates crime scene was not a boot. It was a heel print from a low cut military dress (https://zodiackillerfacts.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=1034&fullsize=1) shoe.

Your link says it was a B.F. Goodrich waffle-type heel print, with these heels being sold to Leavenworth Prison for use in making military shoes, but does not say they were only made for shoes, not boots. ZodiacCiphers.com (https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/the-crosshairs-over-riverside-part-2) shows a 1966 B.F. Goodrich Vietnam military boot.

It certainly deserves examination.

No it doesn't. There have been several people over the years who have claimed to have been related to or known who the "real" Zodiac killer was. None of these claims held any merit.

Ergo, no-one making any claim about the Zodiac Killer being a relative deserves follow-up. You've painted yourself into a corner.

No, when multiple people state they believe someone they knew for decades was a killer, it certainly deserves investigation.

Don’t bother arguing with Cars. He’s the same dude who thinks Cindy James killed herself. :rolleyes: Just add him to your ignore list and move on. He’s been on mine for years.

Cindy James was drugged and strangled, so that doesn't exactly inspire confidence.


I guess, to me, someone claiming that when multiple people categorically state that a former acquaintance/relative was a murderer, it doesn't deserve investigation, we're not dealing with someone who understands the role of police in our society.

Add to that the fake quote and the straw man tactics, and it leads me to wonder if maybe Mr. Cars isn't already invested in another Zodiac theory.


There's a long interview with one of the investigators, below, worth checking out. Here they discuss the theory in much greater detail.

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Don’t bother arguing with Cars. He’s the same dude who thinks Cindy James killed herself. :rolleyes: Just add him to your ignore list and move on. He’s been on mine for years.

She did. And thanks!

I wish you would stop saying "quite literally" because you don't seem to know what it means. "Quite literally" doesn't mean "figuratively". You concocted a quote that is not literally in the report. There's no need to fabricate fake quotes.

It was sarcasm directed at their attempt to pin the Cheri Jo Bates murder on a guy who visited an army hospital for treatment 15 miles from the murder scene. That is patently ridiculous.

I believe they were looking at opportunity: did a suspect have the opportunity to commit a crime? In this case: yes, he was in the area at the time. It's a good way to eliminate suspects after, for example, multiple people have stated they believe he was the Zodiac Killer.

And they went to the police. 6 years ago. And they ruled him out.

No, I'm well aware you have been mocking what these investigators are saying, concocting quotes and changing what they have said in order to belittle their theory.

Their "theory" isn't even a theory, really. It was picking someone close with "scars" that matched the lines on the first Zodiac composite sketch, which was later amended to remove the lines. No eyewitness has ever said that the Zodiac had prominent scars on his forehead. And Poste having brown hair and being treated at a hospital 15 miles away from a murder is hardly enough evidence to name him as a person of interest, let alone a suspect.

Your link says it was a B.F. Goodrich waffle-type heel print, with these heels being sold to Leavenworth Prison for use in making military shoes, but does not say they were only made for shoes, not boots. ZodiacCiphers.com shows a 1966 B.F. Goodrich Vietnam military boot.

And that picture is incorrect. The quarter style shoes were manufactured for the military (and prisons), but they looked more like this (https://www.marlowwhite.com/media/catalog/product/cache/13e066679e5455d97ee69b61f5cb3dd3/m/a/male_black_leather_low_quarter_932__80-100_web.jpg) than a boot.

No, when multiple people state they believe someone they knew for decades was a killer, it certainly deserves investigation.

Which is what Riverside PD did. And they ruled him out.

The real tragedy here is how much publicity this stunt is getting as compared to a few months ago when Riverside PD announced that they found the person who wrote the taunting letters claiming responsibility for the Cheri Jo Bates murder (https://riversideca.gov/rpd/about-contact/operations/investigations-division/cold-case-unit).

In April 2016, investigators received an anonymous letter postmarked from San Bernardino, California. This letter was typed and appeared to have been generated from a computer. The author of the anonymous letter admitted to writing the handwritten letters. The author apologized for sending the letters and said it was a sick joke. The author admitted that he was not the Zodiac killer or the killer of Cheri Jo Bates and was just looking for attention.

In 2020, the Homicide Cold Case Unit and the FBI Los Angeles Investigative Genealogy Team, submitted the stamp from the letter for additional DNA analysis and subsequent interviews were conducted. The individual linked to the DNA evidence on the stamp admitted to writing the letter and sending it to Riverside Police Department. The author was a young teenager at the time and had a troubled youth. He said he wrote the letter seeking attention and was remorseful for his actions.

Investigators confirmed the person was not involved in the murder of Cheri Jo Bates or involved in the murders associated with the “Zodiac Killer.” Additional information was developed regarding a separate set of letters sent to Northern California police agencies. The author claimed to be the “Zodiac Killer,” but the author ultimately admitted to sending the letters to keep the investigation going.

Early in the investigation, a potential suspect was identified in the killing of Cheri Jo Bates. Based on the evidence, this person of interest has remained the primary suspect over the years and continues to be the focus of the investigation. It is believed, acquaintances of the suspect have additional information which could potentially lead to the successful prosecution of the suspect. The FBI Los Angeles Investigative Genealogy Team and various additional law enforcement agencies continue to work the “Zodiac Killer’ murders. Information regarding the “Zodiac Killer” can be emailed to https://tips.fbi.gov

Cheri Jo Bates's father worked at the Corona Naval Ordnance Laboratory. Which could be the connection to her killer having a military style dress shoe. I'd bet almost everything I own that someone she knew murdered her. It was probably an acquaintance. And it wasn't Gary Poste. And it wasn't the Zodiac killer (who did take credit for the murder, as well as numerous others he had nothing to do with). Riverside PD have always had a strong suspect who they believe to be responsible for Cheri's murder (https://www.yahoo.com/now/case-remains-open-fbi-refutes-144408473.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMEbpyYMoaS-PqBriw1o6kzU8wBtUN1CLc8TdCLSc46ksAtYw3wvXnuq6mR2QTsL-WnQeu7WJL7IfrqPKNRN7LsdqyDUqeQagjUXgyh5KyPh6kbBWU7jnHS_bI_XC1lKC44WWuCL0zLV_6ZZs2jXl9nvxPDrSvO2B81i3aBMegLx).

Riverside police Officer Ryan J. Railsback told NBC News that authorities "ruled out any connection" between the murder of Cheri Jo Bates and the Zodiac Killer.

"We don't know how we can be any more clear," he said Wednesday. "The $50,000 private reward is still valid. If someone has any information on the Bates case please come forward."

I guess, to me, someone claiming that when multiple people categorically state that a former acquaintance/relative was a murderer, it doesn't deserve investigation, we're not dealing with someone who understands the role of police in our society.

How many different ways do you want me to say that this was investigated, and Poste was ruled out as the killer of Cheri Jo Bates? The police have also ruled out Cheri as a Zodiac victim. Ergo, if Poste really did murder Cheri Jo Bates, and the evidence against him is bare (and the police ruled him out), Poste cannot be the Zodiac killer.

I understand the role of the police in society and trust their word when they say that they have ruled someone out.

Cindy James was drugged and strangled, so that doesn't exactly inspire confidence.




Exactly. He ignores facts that are inconvenient to him or that contradict his prejudices. It’s like arguing with a developmentally challenged child. You’ll be happier if block the creep and chat with those of us who agree with you. There are more of us than there are of him.

Exactly. He ignores facts that are inconvenient to him or that contradict his prejudices. It’s like arguing with a developmentally challenged child. You’ll be happier if block the creep and chat with those of us who agree with you. There are more of us than there are of him.

Lane, is this you?!

Didn't find this particularly convincing, unless there is more to this than what they are telling this seems to be just another overblown theory like you got with D.B Cooper and Jack the Ripper that you can't conclusively prove.

I pegged the East Area Rapist as either a cop or ex military, someone who was relatively successful and formidable in real life, that turned out to be true with DeAngelo

But I always thought Zodiac was probably a mathematical nerd who had bad luck with women thus his attacking couples partly because he was resentful of them. This Post dude strikes me more as a survivalist-mercenary type. Doesn't say much about his relations with women except he was married, but he doesn't sound like what I would have thought Zodiac was. Of course that was just speculation on my part, but either way I don't think the evidence they presented was convincing.

Lane, is this you?!

Omg, LOL.

I’m fairly certain it is not Lane, for those of us in the know.

Sooooo, this new Zodiac theory is a polarizing one! I, for one, was disappointed that they did NOT say it was Ted Kaczynski. But that’s just me. I liked the yoga-stretch thinking that suggested Unabomber and Zodiac were one and the same.

Let’s remember to be respectful in our differences. Thanks!

It was sarcasm directed at their attempt to pin the Cheri Jo Bates murder on a guy who visited an army hospital for treatment 15 miles from the murder scene. That is patently ridiculous.

These investigators didn't "pin" anything on Gary Francis Poste: he'd already been a Zodiac suspect as early as 2014 or 2016, based on accusations made by multiple people who knew him.

What is "patently ridiculous" about a Zodiac suspect having the opportunity to commit a crime when he went to a hospital 15 minutes away?


And they went to the police. 6 years ago. And they ruled him out.

Police rule out suspects all the time. And sometimes they are completely wrong, to the detriment of the victims and their families (https://tucson.com/news/local/tucson-police-make-changes-after-detectives-investigative-failures/article_bce6d190-c37c-5aac-89a1-224a0f3c0b83.html).


Their "theory" isn't even a theory, really. It was picking someone close with "scars" that matched the lines on the first Zodiac composite sketch, which was later amended to remove the lines. No eyewitness has ever said that the Zodiac had prominent scars on his forehead. And Poste having brown hair and being treated at a hospital 15 miles away from a murder is hardly enough evidence to name him as a person of interest, let alone a suspect.

But three people stating that Gary Francis Poste was the Zodiac Killer is absolutely enough to consider him a suspect.


The real tragedy here is how much publicity this stunt is getting

I think the real tragedy, here, is that six or more people were murdered.

Exactly. He ignores facts that are inconvenient to him or that contradict his prejudices. It’s like arguing with a developmentally challenged child. You’ll be happier if block the creep and chat with those of us who agree with you. There are more of us than there are of him.

I don't think Mr. Car is a creep; merely strident in his beliefs. He went over the top with the fake quote and the belittling criticism of this theory, but I do appreciate his passion for this case.

Because there have recently been so, soooo many unsolved cases recently getting solved through DNA and Ancestry leads, it gives me a small amount of hope that even the Zodiac Murders (and possibly related homicides) may eventually be solved. That multiple sources fingered Poste as the Zodiac in 2014 seems like a strong lead to me.

Omg, LOL.

I’m fairly certain it is not Lane, for those of us in the know.

Sooooo, this new Zodiac theory is a polarizing one!

I think any Zodiac theory is polarizing, to be honest. Even if there is an eventual DNA match to a suspect, the people who have written books or made documentaries about other suspects would dispute it, because there's money involved. The Zodiac Killer has become a kind of True Crime industry.

Didn't find this particularly convincing, unless there is more to this than what they are telling this seems to be just another overblown theory like you got with D.B Cooper and Jack the Ripper that you can't conclusively prove.

I pegged the East Area Rapist as either a cop or ex military, someone who was relatively successful and formidable in real life, that turned out to be true with DeAngelo

But I always thought Zodiac was probably a mathematical nerd who had bad luck with women thus his attacking couples partly because he was resentful of them. This Post dude strikes me more as a survivalist-mercenary type. Doesn't say much about his relations with women except he was married, but he doesn't sound like what I would have thought Zodiac was. Of course that was just speculation on my part, but either way I don't think the evidence they presented was convincing.

I never bought the "mathematical nerd" idea, other than the codes; several books state Zodiac was likely a hunter and former serviceman. I do believe he was resentful of women who rejected him and couples in general.

These investigators didn't "pin" anything on Gary Francis Poste: he'd already been a Zodiac suspect as early as 2014 or 2016, based on accusations made by multiple people who knew him.

They literally call him "Z" and "Zodiac" in their press release. He was not a Zodiac suspect in the eyes of law enforcement.

What is "patently ridiculous" about a Zodiac suspect having the opportunity to commit a crime when he went to a hospital 15 minutes away?

That is the sole link for Poste to be in the general vicinity of Riverside at the time of Cheri Jo Bates's murder.

Police rule out suspects all the time. And sometimes they are completely wrong, to the detriment of the victims and their families (https://tucson.com/news/local/tucson-police-make-changes-after-detectives-investigative-failures/article_bce6d190-c37c-5aac-89a1-224a0f3c0b83.html).

Chasing dead ends also harms victims and their families. As do publicity stunts.

But three people stating that Gary Francis Poste was the Zodiac Killer is absolutely enough to consider him a suspect.

Lol, no it's not.

I think the real tragedy, here, is that six or more people were murdered.

And the police, thankfully, are not wasting their time on someone who was not a legitimate suspect.

Exactly. He ignores facts that are inconvenient to him or that contradict his prejudices. It’s like arguing with a developmentally challenged child. You’ll be happier if block the creep and chat with those of us who agree with you. There are more of us than there are of him.

I'm starting to see your point. His replies have devolved into "Lol, no it's not." Whatever developmental disability might be causing that, it's not possible to have a genuine conversation. This is someone who likes to belittle people from behind a computer screen.

I'm starting to see your point. His replies have devolved into "Lol, no it's not." Whatever developmental disability might be causing that, it's not possible to have a genuine conversation. This is someone who likes to belittle people from behind a computer screen.

Yep, that’s exactly it. I won’t deal with people like that, so I liberally use the ignore/block button online.

I'm starting to see your point. His replies have devolved into "Lol, no it's not." Whatever developmental disability might be causing that, it's not possible to have a genuine conversation. This is someone who likes to belittle people from behind a computer screen.

The three people who say Poste was the Zodiac, of which you insist is enough to declare him a suspect, were either infants or not even born during the actual verified Zodiac murders. Here are their stories, according to the press release (emphasis mine):

Our investigation’s Outlaw-Turned Zodiac Whistleblower, Wil, on a mountain scouting trip. Hans says the turncoat had escaped from Poste’s Zodiac’s criminal “posse” which roamed for decades in the High Sierra. Now in his 50s and hiding in the Northwest, Wil says he’s angry and ashamed, claiming the psychopath “groomed me into a killing machine”. Hans became Wil’s handler, giving him emotional, logistical and financial support over the years.

Michelle is Poste’s daughter-in-law who gave him a grandson, now in his 30s. But when her 10-year marriage ended, Michelle says Poste ordered two of his criminal “posse” to go after her – breaking her windows, then threatening, harassing and assaulting her until she moved out of state.

In late 1970s, toddler Gwennie was babysat by her neighbors – the 40-something Poste and his wife. For the next seven years, he taught her how to use guns, sometimes going into the woods five days a week. In the last year of her childcare, she witnessed Poste’s callousness and violence towards his wife – a wife that only slept on a couch. Recently, Gwennie caught up with the 75-year-old wife, now in assisted living. And the phone call stunned her, one line in particular: “I’m sorry that I didn’t tell the cops about his [Zodiac] past.”

According to you, the above information is "absolutely enough to consider him a suspect". And you continuing to mock disabilities ain't a good look, chief. Enjoy your echo chamber!

Yep, that’s exactly it. I won’t deal with people like that, so I liberally use the ignore/block button online.

Yeah, I see why.

Newsweek has run a story about the case (https://www.newsweek.com/zodiac-killer-gary-poste-glynn-barnes-1636526). They mention a member of Gary Francis Poste's "posse" was calling him Zodiac in 2018 on Facebook:


Facebook images involving the latest alleged Zodiac Killer Gary Poste have emerged after he was named as a new suspect by a group of independent investigators. Case Breakers said the person believed to be responsible for at least five murders in San Francisco from 1968 to 1969, and who claimed to have killed at least 37 more, is Gary Poste, who died in 2018.

However, police and the FBI have already cast doubt on the findings, as well as the claims that Cheri Jo Bates was another confirmed victim of the Zodiac Killer, as the Case Breakers allege.

Following the reveal of the latest name in the hunt for the person who was never captured by authorities, Facebook images of Poste, which were posted by a friend, Glynn Barnes, have emerged from 2018.

Barnes, a resident of California, has attracted the attention of internet users after screenshots of him appearing to refer to Poste as "Zodiac" as far back as 2018 were shared on Twitter and Reddit

"My Last Visit with Old Man! Gary Poste! Zodiac? God Dang! I Miss You Old Man!," read one caption reported to be from a November 2018 photo of Barnes and Poste.

Another, also from November 2018, purports to show the pair together with the caption: "Mountain Time with The Old Man! Gary Poste! ZODIAC?"

Another screenshotted image being shared on social media appears to show a post in a Zodiac-themed online forum from a man named Glynn Barnes outing the serial killer as "Gary Francis Poste."

Newsweek did not find these photos or the captions on Barnes' social media page and is unable to verify their authenticity, nor the image said to be from a Zodiac forum.

However, other photos shared by Barnes can still be found on his Facebook page, including one of the pair hiking up Mount Haystack in the Adirondack Mountains of New York, as well as the Upper Twin Lake in Wisconsin.

The images appear to be tributes to Poste following his death. "Love this Man with all my Heart!," Barnes wrote on Facebook.

The Reddit post written by Glynn Barnes, where he says he believes Zodiac is GFP has been screen captured here (https://imgur.com/a/A4Ulj2w).

EXsdoLBeryE

David Oranchak is one of the people who recently solved one of the Zodiac ciphers (Z340). And he totally debunks the Case Breakers' "code breaking" method.

All right. I looked the other way the first time "developmentally disabled" was thrown out. Now I've seen it tossed around again...

This isn't a place where we tolerate name calling. Y'all are free to disagree until the cows come home or whatever-- just be polite while doing it. Resorting to name calling is not just lame, it's tacky and shows me that you're not winning your argument. Or at least that's what I say in court. :D

All right. I looked the other way the first time "developmentally disabled" was thrown out. Now I've seen it tossed around again...

This isn't a place where we tolerate name calling. Y'all are free to disagree until the cows come home or whatever-- just be polite while doing it. Resorting to name calling is not just lame, it's tacky and shows me that you're not winning your argument. Or at least that's what I say in court. :D

Oh I wasn’t making an argument. I was explaining why I don’t like the guy by speculating on his personality type.

They are now claiming (https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/yet-to-be-published-memoir-possibly-ids-zodiac-says-he-killed-tahoe-woman-hung-remains-in-tree/) that the cards sent in by Zodiac were actually anagrams which you could find the "solution" to if you correctly rearranged the letters around. Let's try this method out on this (https://www.zodiackiller.com/PinesCard2.html) card sent to Paul Avery, reporter for the SF Chronicle.

Zodiac 4c U.S. POSTAGE

This side of the card is for address

THE TIMES
S.F. EXAMINER
SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE

Att. Paul Avery = Chronicle

Sierra Club
Around in the snow
Sought victim 12
"Peek through the pines," pass LAKE TAHOE areas

The problem, of course, is that there is no way of knowing what the actual Zodiac killer's message was, not to mention that there has never been any proof that these cards were sent in as "coded messages". You can use an anagram generator (https://www.generatormix.com/anagram-generator) to see how easy it would be to come up with virtually anything. It's junk science.

Oh I wasn’t making an argument. I was explaining why I don’t like the guy by speculating on his personality type.

This is a healthy way to go through life.

Yeah, some of us actually require proof of a theory and don't just believe whatever is shoved in our collective faces. (I would consider being added to your blocked list, or whatever, for this post a badge of honor).

Yeah, some of us actually require proof of a theory and don't just believe whatever is shoved in our collective faces. (I would consider being added to your blocked list, or whatever, for this post a badge of honor).

Thank you for this amazing post!!! 😍😍😍

Omg, LOL.

I’m fairly certain it is not Lane, for those of us in the know.

Sooooo, this new Zodiac theory is a polarizing one! I, for one, was disappointed that they did NOT say it was Ted Kaczynski. But that’s just me. I liked the yoga-stretch thinking that suggested Unabomber and Zodiac were one and the same.

Let’s remember to be respectful in our differences. Thanks!

Actually, I did, too :lol:

Truth be told, I held out hope that it was legit when it was first announced. But seeing that they're completely relying on "circlestansive" evidence and probably waiting to book a fat Netflix check for making a documentary on "how they totally cracked the Zodiac" (maybe that's just me being cynical, as I've definitely been known to be), my enthusiasm has waned. I'd put a lot more stock in it if there were actual forensic evidence (I don't count a boot print from a boot he *maybe, possibly* at some point wore, or a USGI-style wristwatch he may have had, I mean actual tangible "This belonged to him" evidence), especially if they had been able to come up with a potential match to DNA from the envelopes or something. But, at this point, it just looks like another in the long line of "Dude, my dad/uncle/friend/neighbor was TOTALLY the Zodiac" stories.

For anyone interested, here (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Lake+Herman+Zodiac+site,+Lake+Herman+Rd,+Benicia,+CA+94510/Blue+Rock+Springs+Park,+Columbus+Parkway,+Vallejo,+CA/Twin+Oak+Ridge/3898+Washington+Street,+San+Francisco,+CA/@38.166996,-122.8449177,150072m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m26!4m25!1m5!1m1!1s0x80856dc4d01e5df7:0x29e2b46a0f112b87!2m2!1d-122.1440806!2d38.0949101!1m5!1m1!1s0x808572e64fe0fb49:0xe22f30a5d4c93f51!2m2!1d-122.1903407!2d38.1257659!1m5!1m1!1s0x8084fb225fb346bd:0x91b46888e73a4b!2m2!1d-122.2298165!2d38.5628676!1m5!1m1!1s0x808587301c4aa857:0x8bce64223e2d264b!2m2!1d-122.4571181!2d37.7889699!3e0) are the locations of all of the confirmed Zodiac murder sites. The problem with people coming forward with various "suspects" is that you could draw a circle around the murder locations, and find any white male in his 30's or 40's, with a close cropped haircut with brown hair, and wire rimmed glasses (a very common look back in the late 1960's) who lived in this area in 1968-1969 and voila...you have got yourself a "suspect".

Tbh, none of the named or famous Zodiac suspects are particularly intriguing to me. Arthur Leigh Allen was the "best" suspect, but his handwriting did not match, his prints did not match the latent prints left behind by Zodiac, and his appearance does not match the one given by witnesses who saw Zodiac and described him as an average sized guy roughly 5'8" or 5'9". Allen was 6' and 250 lbs. and was balding baldly in 1969. As for the other suspects routinely tossed around as "suspects", one of them, Larry Kane had a distinct Brooklyn accent and his fingerprints did not match Zodiac's. Rick Marshall was another relatively well known "suspect", but he was ruled out by investigators shortly before his death in 2008. I'd bet my money on someone completely unknown and that the only way this will be solved is the same way that the Original Night Stalker/East Area Rapist case was solved...DNA.

I'm certainly not going to believe anything about any suspect until conclusive forensic proof can be unearthed, but I'd like to say this:

For decades, I have made my living studying and authenticating people's handwriting and printing. The similarities between the accepted Zodiac printing and that on the document supposedly in the hand of Ross Sullivan are frighteningly similar.

I'm certainly not going to believe anything about any suspect until conclusive forensic proof can be unearthed, but I'd like to say this:

For decades, I have made my living studying and authenticating people's handwriting and printing. The similarities between the accepted Zodiac printing and that on the document supposedly in the hand of Ross Sullivan are frighteningly similar.

Do you happen to have a link? I'd like to know more about Ross Sullivan.

For anyone interested, here (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Lake+Herman+Zodiac+site,+Lake+Herman+Rd,+Benicia,+CA+94510/Blue+Rock+Springs+Park,+Columbus+Parkway,+Vallejo,+CA/Twin+Oak+Ridge/3898+Washington+Street,+San+Francisco,+CA/@38.166996,-122.8449177,150072m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m26!4m25!1m5!1m1!1s0x80856dc4d01e5df7:0x29e2b46a0f112b87!2m2!1d-122.1440806!2d38.0949101!1m5!1m1!1s0x808572e64fe0fb49:0xe22f30a5d4c93f51!2m2!1d-122.1903407!2d38.1257659!1m5!1m1!1s0x8084fb225fb346bd:0x91b46888e73a4b!2m2!1d-122.2298165!2d38.5628676!1m5!1m1!1s0x808587301c4aa857:0x8bce64223e2d264b!2m2!1d-122.4571181!2d37.7889699!3e0) are the locations of all of the confirmed Zodiac murder sites. The problem with people coming forward with various "suspects" is that you could draw a circle around the murder locations, and find any white male in his 30's or 40's, with a close cropped haircut with brown hair, and wire rimmed glasses (a very common look back in the late 1960's) who lived in this area in 1968-1969 and voila...you have got yourself a "suspect".

Tbh, none of the named or famous Zodiac suspects are particularly intriguing to me. Arthur Leigh Allen was the "best" suspect, but his handwriting did not match, his prints did not match the latent prints left behind by Zodiac, and his appearance does not match the one given by witnesses who saw Zodiac and described him as an average sized guy roughly 5'8" or 5'9". Allen was 6' and 250 lbs. and was balding baldly in 1969. As for the other suspects routinely tossed around as "suspects", one of them, Larry Kane had a distinct Brooklyn accent and his fingerprints did not match Zodiac's. Rick Marshall was another relatively well known "suspect", but he was ruled out by investigators shortly before his death in 2008. I'd bet my money on someone completely unknown and that the only way this will be solved is the same way that the Original Night Stalker/East Area Rapist case was solved...DNA.

As I recall, Allen was also excluded due to the DNA evidence from the letters.

INB4 someone says "BUT HE COULD'VE HAD SOMEONE ELSE LICK THEM!" why would ANYONE in the late 60s have the presence of mind to have someone else lick a letter or stamp "so they don't have my DNA," when it was two decades until DNA even started to be used to identify someone? "Because they don't like the taste of the glue!" then use water or (as I do) wet your finger and use that. The idea of him using someone else to seal/mail his letters is absurd to me.

As I recall, Allen was also excluded due to the DNA evidence from the letters.

INB4 someone says "BUT HE COULD'VE HAD SOMEONE ELSE LICK THEM!" why would ANYONE in the late 60s have the presence of mind to have someone else lick a letter or stamp "so they don't have my DNA," when it was two decades until DNA even started to be used to identify someone? "Because they don't like the taste of the glue!" then use water or (as I do) wet your finger and use that. The idea of him using someone else to seal/mail his letters is absurd to me.

The primary source of the most incriminating evidence against Allen was his ex-friend Don Cheney, who would change his story repeatedly over the years to add more incriminating details. The bit about licking his stamps for him because Allen didn't like the taste was one of them. When confronted with the possibility that if he did in fact lick Allen's stamps, and Allen was in fact the Zodiac, that Cheney would then be implicated, his story changed to then Allen would just use paste. Then when you factor in that Allen allegedly molested or attempted to molest Cheney's daughter, I think it paints a pretty clear picture as to why Cheney would try to pin the murders on him.

Yeah, some of us actually require proof of a theory and don't just believe whatever is shoved in our collective faces. I wish that was true for most but sadly since 2020 it isnt :( (They just believe it w/o ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER and its disgustingly sad)

Good for you Cordwainer!

Do you happen to have a link? I'd like to know more about Ross Sullivan.

To learn more about him, Google is your friend.

As to the handwriting, here's a video. As mentioned, I have a lifetime of experience studying the writing of thousands of different people. In all that time, I have no recollection of ever seeing an "s" formed in this unique fashion, almost resembling a reversed 2. Here we have either two people who do it--or only one. Ross sure bore a striking resemblance to the famous sketch, among many other similarities and coincidences.

I'm not saying "It's this guy!". Not whatsoever. I'll wait for more conclusive evidence. But Sullivan's letter formations, though...

And regardless of anything else, learning about Sullivan proved just as fascinating as it was to read about Allen, if not more so, as the case for Sullivan as a suspect feels stronger after what I've read. Definitely has my vote for interesting subject matter even if you are completely not on board with his potential candidacy, so won't be a waste of your reading time! Fairly certain we can all agree on that aspect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-W6g-Hbxcg

To learn more about him, Google is your friend.

You claim to be an expert at handwriting and say that Sullivan's is a close match, I ask for a link, and this snark is your response?

But, snark aside, I did google him. And found that this (https://zodiaciphername.com/images/ross_exposure.png) article about an arrest from 1968. Ross Sullivan was 6'2" and weighed 300 lbs. He was in and out of mental institutions for his entire adult life. He had blonde, not brown hair. Santa Cruz was the closest I could find Ross Sullivan ever came to the San Francisco Bay Area. His death (https://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/14/94/58/13/rossce10.jpg) certificate lists his residence in Santa Cruz and that he had lived in that county for 3 years. "Extreme obesity with Associated Cardiomegaly" (https://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/14/94/58/13/rossce11.jpg) was listed as a pre-existing condition. Sullivan's prints (https://i.redd.it/qsflhu9of2w21.jpg) did not match the latent print found on Paul Stine's cab. The police told a suspicious librarian (https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/category/ross-sullivan) who worked with Ross who suspected him of murdering Cheri Jo Bates, that they checked him out and he had an alibi for the day of her murder.

You claim to be an expert at handwriting and say that Sullivan's is a close match, I ask for a link, and this snark is your response?


It wasn't a snark. Not sure why you misinterpreted it that way. It's just a saying.

I'm not sold on this because.. They haven't released any info that i've seen showing the cypher being broken. They've SAID many things, and if those things are true.. i'm sold.

The people behind Case Breakers are NOT kooks. Look at their site and who all is on this team. There's more qualifications there than most police departments have. So, that at least makes me give them the benefit of the doubt. But they're going to have to release the cypher info, how they broke it, details, and someone's going to have to verify it for me to be sold on this.

The 'scars on the forehead'.. That's totally worthless info to me. It's a sketch. Those forehead wrinkles, I can't imagine someone described them exactly like that. Sketch artists put those in to give a sense of age. I'd bet money those lines are 100% a figment of the imagination (or talent, if you will) of the sketch artist.

So.. Anyway.. I'm not saying they are right. I am concerned that they don't seem to have given any substantial information about the cypher or had that independently verified. If that happens, i'm totally on board with this. until then. I'm in a wait and see. Their credentials earn them that much.


one other note I'd like to make on this.. Is it me or is this case like ramped up to 100 so far as the.. For lack of a better term, jealousy and bitterness between the various people trying to solve it?

Now, I am no fan whatsoever of people who come out and say they've "Solved" cases.. I think anyone who's read some of my posts knows my feelings on TIGHAR. Those people come out every 2-3 years with more crap about how they've "Solved" the Earhart case. Certainly, they have some interesting evidence, but they have solved nothing at all.

The attacks on Case Breakers.. Just seems really, really weird. Instead of people having a debate and analyzing what they have to say.. With this case, and not specifically with Code Breakers, the first response seems to be "They are wrong" and then coming up with the reasons they are wrong.. When it should be the other way around.

There was also speculation that William Mentzer (Manson II from the Son of Sam case) was the Zodiac.

https://www.uniondemocrat.com/news/article_c163a46e-2884-11ec-be65-5bd0c574a9b6.html

The cops checked Poste out when he was still alive. This newspaper checked into the main guy pushing Poste as the Zodiac, Dale Julin's, claims and affidavits about Poste being the Zodiac:

The Union Democrat obtained copies of the affidavits at the time through a Public Records Act request to the County Counsel’s Office, but determined much of the information to be unverifiable upon review.

SFPD cops interviewed Poste while he was in jail. One would think this lead would have been followed up on if SFPD deemed Poste to be a credible suspect, but nothing ever came of it. In other words, Poste was not seriously considered by law enforcement to be a suspect.

https://www.uniondemocrat.com/news/article_c163a46e-2884-11ec-be65-5bd0c574a9b6.html

The cops checked Poste out when he was still alive. This newspaper checked into the main guy pushing Poste as the Zodiac, Dale Julin's, claims and affidavits about Poste being the Zodiac:



SFPD cops interviewed Poste while he was in jail. One would think this lead would have been followed up on if SFPD deemed Poste to be a credible suspect, but nothing ever came of it. In other words, Poste was not seriously considered by law enforcement to be a suspect.

Like I said earlier in this thread, I'm convinced (at this point) that they're basically trying to book a documentary deal or some s***, like all the other "DUDES, WE TOTES SOLVED THE ZODIAC" people we've seen, as of late. If they HAD actual evidence, they would've released it (or at least SOMETHING) with their press releases. Mark my words, they'll end up with a Hulu or Netflix miniseries where they draw it out over five or six episodes, but still not have any conclusive evidence.

Like I said earlier in this thread, I'm convinced (at this point) that they're basically trying to book a documentary deal or some s***, like all the other "DUDES, WE TOTES SOLVED THE ZODIAC" people we've seen, as of late. If they HAD actual evidence, they would've released it (or at least SOMETHING) with their press releases. Mark my words, they'll end up with a Hulu or Netflix miniseries where they draw it out over five or six episodes, but still not have any conclusive evidence.

There's other possibilities. They've really released nothing to back up their claims, and the 'forehead' claim is.. Very weak.

But.. The FBI is doing their standard "No Comment".

There is the chance that the FBI is validating what they've provided and they were requested not to release any of the details. I figure the FBI would have 'requested' that they not make any announcements until it was validated, and considering that many of the Case Breakers are former FBI.. You'd think they would have respected that.

So.. I doubt this is the case, but it's a possibility.

All I can say.. Case Breakers had better not be another TIGHAR.

There's other possibilities. They've really released nothing to back up their claims, and the 'forehead' claim is.. Very weak.

But.. The FBI is doing their standard "No Comment".

There is the chance that the FBI is validating what they've provided and they were requested not to release any of the details. I figure the FBI would have 'requested' that they not make any announcements until it was validated, and considering that many of the Case Breakers are former FBI.. You'd think they would have respected that.

So.. I doubt this is the case, but it's a possibility.

All I can say.. Case Breakers had better not be another TIGHAR.

That's the basic reason that (to quote The White Stripes) I think I smell a rat. If they actually had real evidence, and the FBI was confirming it, I feel like they would've held off instead of immediately spewing it all out. Or even...just say "We think we've solved the case, but other agencies are checking our work."

And the latest I've seen from the FBI is ""The case remains open and there is no new information to report," which speaks volumes to me.

And the latest I've seen from the FBI is ""The case remains open and there is no new information to report," which speaks volumes to me.

That's page 1 in the FBI playbook.

That's what they're basically saying about the Laundrie case right now.. Though they did confirm that remains have been found.. They haven't said anything about it being tied to the case, particularly.

The more time that goes by with zero confirmation/evidence released.. The less I buy what the Code Breakers are saying. But.. The FBI is notoriously tight lipped until they're ready to announce something.

Just as another example.. Take an FBI case recently.. Like.. Jared Fogle.. What did they say when they were there searching his house? "We are conducting an operation at that address" They basically said "Yes, all those guys wearing FBI jackets are actually FBI agents" but nothing else.

Which.. You gotta admit. Helps their credibility tremendously, because they don't ever have to go back and put out a correction or anything.

That's page 1 in the FBI playbook.

That's what they're basically saying about the Laundrie case right now.. Though they did confirm that remains have been found.. They haven't said anything about it being tied to the case, particularly.

The more time that goes by with zero confirmation/evidence released.. The less I buy what the Code Breakers are saying. But.. The FBI is notoriously tight lipped until they're ready to announce something.

Just as another example.. Take an FBI case recently.. Like.. Jared Fogle.. What did they say when they were there searching his house? "We are conducting an operation at that address" They basically said "Yes, all those guys wearing FBI jackets are actually FBI agents" but nothing else.

Which.. You gotta admit. Helps their credibility tremendously, because they don't ever have to go back and put out a correction or anything.

See, those are both examples of just giving actual facts at the time, though. And the Fogle example just leads me to think that if they were actually checking on the "evidence" these guys "uncovered," they'd have said something along the lines of "we are currently reviewing new evidence that has been provided to us." This would not be out of line with previous cases where they've given updates that were similar. The fact that they're instead flat out saying "The case is open, there is nothing new to report" makes it sound like anything they WERE given by these guys is just a big nothing burger.

Not arguing, so I'm sorry if it comes off like I am.

See, those are both examples of just giving actual facts at the time, though. And the Fogle example just leads me to think that if they were actually checking on the "evidence" these guys "uncovered," they'd have said something along the lines of "we are currently reviewing new evidence that has been provided to us." This would not be out of line with previous cases where they've given updates that were similar. The fact that they're instead flat out saying "The case is open, there is nothing new to report" makes it sound like anything they WERE given by these guys is just a big nothing burger.

Not arguing, so I'm sorry if it comes off like I am.

Not at all. In fact.. Having a discourse doesn't mean we have to disagree, and disagreeing doesn't have to mean fighting/being rude.

Every day that goes by... I'm giving less and less credibility to the Code Breakers announcement. We're at.. Around 2 weeks now? We're really pushing the limits of what would actually happen. Yes, the FBI has many irons in the fire right now, but.. They also have a WHOLE lot of personnel.

The FBI saying nothing.. That's exactly what I would expect. But.. I think I'm hitting the point where I think if they were ever going to say anything.. They would have said it. They START by saying nothing. But.. It doesn't take them long to announce when they confirm something.

I think i've just about hit that tipping point.

And the case breakers, sorry, think i've been using the wrong name... Have been just as radio silent. Which is probably why I allowed for the 2 week window before turning on it. Because, that.. Kinda has that smell of the FBI telling them to shut the hell up. But.. We're getting to, or have passed the 'timeout' point.


Hmm.. Look at this that I found just seeing if they had said anything else..

https://thecasebreakers.org/2021/09/the-last-zodiac-victim/

Is it me.. or does that read.. Really, really weirdly?

It almost reads like.. One of those 'solve the crime' games you can participate in online.

And..

FYI: Nine Zodiac eyewitnesses/sources have signed NDAs & Life Story Rights (LSR) agreements.

That seems.. Odd on there.

Not at all. In fact.. Having a discourse doesn't mean we have to disagree, and disagreeing doesn't have to mean fighting/being rude.

Every day that goes by... I'm giving less and less credibility to the Code Breakers announcement. We're at.. Around 2 weeks now? We're really pushing the limits of what would actually happen. Yes, the FBI has many irons in the fire right now, but.. They also have a WHOLE lot of personnel.

The FBI saying nothing.. That's exactly what I would expect. But.. I think I'm hitting the point where I think if they were ever going to say anything.. They would have said it. They START by saying nothing. But.. It doesn't take them long to announce when they confirm something.

I think i've just about hit that tipping point.

And the case breakers, sorry, think i've been using the wrong name... Have been just as radio silent. Which is probably why I allowed for the 2 week window before turning on it. Because, that.. Kinda has that smell of the FBI telling them to shut the hell up. But.. We're getting to, or have passed the 'timeout' point.


Hmm.. Look at this that I found just seeing if they had said anything else..

https://thecasebreakers.org/2021/09/the-last-zodiac-victim/

Is it me.. or does that read.. Really, really weirdly?

It almost reads like.. One of those 'solve the crime' games you can participate in online.

And..



That seems.. Odd on there.

That whole page is bizarre.

Frankly, reading it just kinda put the last nail in, for me. They "ain't found s***," to quote Spaceballs. As far as actual evidence is concerned, anyway.

That whole page is bizarre.

Frankly, reading it just kinda put the last nail in, for me. They "ain't found s***," to quote Spaceballs. As far as actual evidence is concerned, anyway.

Certainly weird. That post seems to have been BEFORE their announcement of 2 weeks ago.

A shame. Look, I don't care who it winds up being. My theory all along has been 2 different people.. If I'm proven wrong.. I don't give a damn. Just so long as we have the answer.

Unfortunately.. I'm starting to think this is all just smoke and mirrors. As I've said, i've been willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Their credentials alone, IMO, earn them that.

But.. Only for so long. Eventually, you gotta put up or shut up.

The funny thing about all of this is that they are pointing to Poste as being responsible for the murder of Cheri Jo Bates and the disappearance and likely murder of Donna Lass. The only problem is that neither of these crimes have been conclusively linked to the Zodiac. So even by some bizarre minuscule chance that Poste is responsible for the two murders, he still would not be the Zodiac. Riverside PD says they essentially know who killed Cheri, but need more evidence before they can make an arrest. As for Donna Lass, Larry Kane (Zodiac suspect whose fingerprints did not match the Zodiac's) was a person of interest in her disappearance.

Well, I suppose at the end of the day, the one good thing they did is.. They got people talking about it again.

Not that this case ever goes totally under the rug, but.. It had certainly fallen further off the radar and this has brought it back more front of mind.

https://i.ibb.co/PNBVR9G/wood.png

Still lol-ing at this 'evidence' they used of a stained piece of wood. And they now claim to know where Poste had ditched all of the weapons used in the Zodiac murders, but the area is too rugged and dangerous to travel to.