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Stepperry40
09-03-2021, 11:48 AM
Was Beaver supposed to 10 or 12 years old in the show? I would that Beaver was probably supposed to about 10 while Jerry Mathers was about 12. What you think?

stevea
09-04-2021, 12:28 PM
In season 3 Ward says Beaver is 10 years old. My guess is at the time Jerry is 11 and in the fifth grade.

Season 3 would probably have been filming starting in early to mid 1959. In June of that year Jerry turned 11 in June. So he was 11 playing 10.

He appeared pretty small for an 11 year old but had a growth spurt starting in seasons 4 and 5--so they couldn't cheat his age as easily. Probably why they skipped grade 7 in the show and sent him from grade 6 in season 5 to grade 8 in season 6.

vitoscotti
09-04-2021, 12:40 PM
Beaver is graduating 8th grade when Jerry Mathers is almost 15.
Eddie Haskell & Lumpy are graduating high school. Ken Osmond is 20. Frank Bank 21.

Tankeryanker
09-04-2021, 04:00 PM
Probably why they skipped grade 7 in the show and sent him from grade 6 in season 5 to grade 8 in season 6.

Shows how observant I am. I never noticed

stevea
09-04-2021, 04:42 PM
Shows how observant I am. I never noticed

They had them both wrong--Tony was younger and Jerry was older than their respective parts. So Wally was a senior--twice, which was certainly never mentioned.

It would have made more sense to use their true ages. Skipping Beaver from sixth to eighth grade put him "right," because according to Wikipedia Mathers graduated from high school in 1967, which he would have done on the show had it continued (unless he pulled a Lumpy and was left back).

vitoscotti
09-04-2021, 06:17 PM
Didn't Jerry Mathers graduating high school near his 19th birthday put him at least a year behind?

Stepperry40
09-04-2021, 07:32 PM
Was that because of fact he had been been a child actor or some other reason? I noticed that was already in the in US Air Force while was finished high school. Leave it to Beaver ended in 1963 but filming probably ended in 1962 when when both Beaver the character and Jerry Mathers the actor would have been 14 years while either in or finishing 8th grade.

season1:57-58- age of Beaver 7.75- 8.5? 2nd grade actual 9yrs 3mo at air time
season2:58-59- age of Beaver 8.75- 9.5? 3rd grade actual 10 yrs 3mo
season3:59-60- age of Beaver 9.75- 10.5 4th grade actual 11 yrs 3mo
season4:60-61- age of Beaver 10.75- 11.5 5th grade actual 12 yrs 3mo
season5:61-62- age of Beaver 11.75- 12.5 6th grade actual 13 yrs 3mo
season6:62-63- age of Beaver 12.75- 13.5 7th gd became 8th gd actual 14 yrs 3mo
Beaver is still at the point of this probably supposed to 10 since it aired in Feb 1960. Was Wally a 12 year old in the first season? Was he really in 8th grade. Tony Dow would have been 12 at the time filming. It seems to that would put him in 6th or 7th grade. Was Boy Scout episode in the 1st or 2nd season?

stevea
09-04-2021, 07:54 PM
Jerry was born in mid-1948. I guess it depends on the rules of the district when he started school. Just going by the year he should have graduated in 1966 like you said.
The show putting him in grade 8 for 62/63 school year would put him in the class of 67. Putting him in the class of 66 would have had him in grade 6 in the 59/60 (S3) season. If you look at him in S3 there's no way he's a 6th grader IMO.

^In last post re Wally in the first season: I'm not sure any reference was made to actual age, but for sure early in the 6th season Beaver was giving Wally punches on his arm for his 17th birthday. That would make him 12 at the beginning of the 1st season, and he SHOULD have been in 7th grade:

season 1: Age 12, grade 7 (show: 8th)
season 2: Age 13, grade 8 (show: freshman)
season 3: Age 14, freshman (show: soph.)
season 4: Age 15, soph. (show: junior, references to class of '62 gift to school of water fountain)
season 5: Age 16, junior (show: scant or no references to class)
season 6: Age 17, senior (show: senior)

CosmicCharlie
09-04-2021, 08:37 PM
AFTER WATCHING THE DANCE TEACHER show how the dance is to be done:

vitoscotti
09-05-2021, 09:10 AM
Cheryl Holdridge (a year older) & Tony Dow both went to Van Nuys High School. Attended by many celebrities including Marilyn Monroe, Robert Redford, and Natalie Wood.

vitoscotti
09-06-2021, 01:16 PM
S6 E30 The Book Report Beaver comes home after reading The Three Musketeers book report. Wally tells June, "I've lived with the Beaver in the same room close to 13 years." So Beaver is weeks from 8th grade graduation and only 12, going to be 13 soon. That would put him 1 year younger than the average 8th grader.

stevea
09-06-2021, 01:22 PM
Maybe when he was a baby his crib was in W&J's room??

Stepperry40
09-06-2021, 02:55 PM
I would imagine that for a while as a baby Beaver was a new born through about a year old was either in his parents room or the guest room. At one year old maybe they would moved Theodore Beaver into his brothers room.

vitoscotti
09-06-2021, 04:22 PM
With the writer's history of lack of continuity I don't know. You think they would really incorporate crib time from one room, subtract that from another room time. I'm leaning on the writers flip-flopping on Beaver's age, or really not even caring what age they put out.

stevea
09-06-2021, 04:53 PM
With the writer's history of lack of continuity I don't know. You think they would really incorporate crib time from one room, subtract that from another room time. I'm leaning on the writers flip-flopping on beaver's age.

My guess is the ages weren't well-defined from the beginning. So whatever the writers wrote was what was said.

Connelly and Mosher should have probably written a little biography of these characters for the writers to access. Introduce a new character (Eddie, Lumpy, etc.) write a new biography with small details, full name, date of birth, grade in school as of (season).

Someone on set should "know" the show and who's who/what's what. So early in season 4 a writer has W&J looking for a babysitter, and talking about checking with Mrs. Bronson. Hold it! Bronson is June's maiden name. Well-established.

Sometime in season 4 Gilbert's last name comes up. A writer pulls Harrison out of thin air. Hold it! It was established as Gates in season 2.

Script supervisors or continuity people are assigned to be detail-oriented to changes in re-shoots, scenes out of sequence, etc. Hold it! Mathers was holding the phone in his other hand. Or, in classroom, in previous shot Mathers had his right hand up. Maybe this person or another on staff should have the duty of reviewing scripts in advance for writer errors.

Howard
09-06-2021, 06:41 PM
The start of Season one he was in the 2nd grade and went through middle-school and as the show ended he was headed to high school and Wally to college.

Stepperry40
09-06-2021, 07:52 PM
I was just guessing that why Wally said he had been living with Beaver for almost 13 years even though Beaver would have going to 14 and was in or just finished 8th grade.

vitoscotti
09-07-2021, 02:52 AM
My guess is the ages weren't well-defined from the beginning. So whatever the writers wrote was what was said.

Connelly and Mosher should have probably written a little biography of these characters for the writers to access. Introduce a new character (Eddie, Lumpy, etc.) write a new biography with small details, full name, date of birth, grade in school as of (season).

Someone on set should "know" the show and who's who/what's what. So early in season 4 a writer has W&J looking for a babysitter, and talking about checking with Mrs. Bronson. Hold it! Bronson is June's maiden name. Well-established.

Sometime in season 4 Gilbert's last name comes up. A writer pulls Harrison out of thin air. Hold it! It was established as Gates in season 2.

Script supervisors or continuity people are assigned to be detail-oriented to changes in re-shoots, scenes out of sequence, etc. Hold it! Mathers was holding the phone in his other hand. Or, in classroom, in previous shot Mathers had his right hand up. Maybe this person or another on staff should have the duty of reviewing scripts in advance for writer errors.
I'm the kind of a viewer of classic tv who really enjoys the inconsistencies, lack of continuity, and actors playing different parts. TAGS, and Dark Shadows are also loaded. I believe they had such production demands they only cared if it would upset the flow of the episode. LITB was meticulous watering down pavement for glare. So they could be on top of things that mattered. Even pulling out the back car window in the S6 opening. They must of thought inconsistencies were trivial and didn't damage the product. They were right. I bring inconsistencies up here not to s***hammer the show but to add to the celebration we are lucky to have these great shows.

The worst 3* LITB is 100x better than today's tv shows. I wouldn't even dream of talking about a shows lack of continuity unless I really loved the show. Breaking a show down and analyzing it is it's highest tribute. What a tribute that a 60 year old show still gets posts here and put under the microscope.

stevea
09-07-2021, 07:44 AM
With Dark Shadows (one of my favorites) I've read everything was one take. A piece of scenery falls or a stage hand gets in the shot, keep rolling. Frid or Bennett have line trouble, keep it moving. That was part of the show! We're fortunate the majority of the tapes were saved. Some of the effects they accomplished on a shoestring budget were downright amazing.

I agree about Beaver. It's fun to talk about the continuity but we love the show.