I all ready posted this over at the New Leave It To Beaver Board, but since that board is so quiet, I decided to post this information over here as well. :)

I just checked out TV Guide's 50 Worst Shows of all Time, and the New Leave It To Beaver/Still the Beaver made the list as the 33rd worst show. :eek:

I am a big fan of the original show, so I just cannot fathom the fact that the 80's version was terrible. I have never seen an episode from the New Leave It To Beaver, so is what TV Guide says true?

What are your thoughts about the New Leave It To Beaver being named the 33rd worst show of all time? Was it really that bad of a show (for those of you who have seen it)? I ask this, if the New Leave It To Beaver can make the list, then why can the new Munsters (another 80's remake) be left off? :rolleyes:

I remember watching the "New Leave it to Beaver" show in the 80's. I didnt see every episode but the ones I saw I really enjoyed. Mostly it was because I am such a fan of the original show that I loved seeing all the characters all grown up and having families of their own.
I especially remember when the tv movie Still the Beaver was on..........I had a 1 year old baby and before the movie came on that night I put him to bed and told my family that no one was to bother me and I wasnt moving away from the tv for anything LOL
I don't usually believe much about critics say concerning tv shows and movies. I have my own opinions about what I like and what I don't like. So it doesnt bother me in the least if TV guide rates The New Leave it to Beaver as 33rd worst show. I will enjoy it if and when it ever comes on in syndication.

I have never seen the New Leave it to Beaver show, but I had heard it was pretty bad. I can't imagine that. But when it comes to critics and their ideas of good shows, I agree with Uncle Billy. I don't pay much attention to what they say, if I like it I like it. I am such a huge fan of the original that the new series would have to have been pretty bad for ME not to enjoy it.

Originally posted by BeaversBiggestFan
I I can't imagine that. But when it comes to critics and their ideas of good shows, I agree with Uncle Billy. I don't pay much attention to what they say, if I like it I like it. I am such a huge fan of the original that the new series would have to have been pretty bad for ME not to enjoy it.

Ditto

I've never seen the New Leave it to Beaver, so I really can't answer the question on whether it was good or not.

I absolutely loved The New Leave it to Beaver. You have to take this "worst" show stuff with a grain of salt. It certainly wasn't The Cosby Show or Cheers in terms of writing, but it was very good in its own way.

The new Leave it to Beaver wasn't that bad. I remember some of the episodes and enjoyed them. Like HaskellGirl said, It wasn't the Cosby Show or anything but there were alot worse shows on at the time.

I remember watching the show when it was on, and I know I liked it. I was about the age of Kelly (Wally's son on the show) when it aired, and I related to much of what she went through.

It wasn't as good as the original, but I don't think it deserves to be on the worst list either. I can think of other shows that aren't on the list that should be.

Christina

Hi all,
"The New Leave It To Beaver" may not have been the greatest thing ever made, but I, personally, pay absolutely NO attention to the subhuman form of life known as the critic -- those talentless, soulless morons who, couldn't write or produce a better movie or TV show than the one they're so mercilessly ripping apart . . . if their lives depended on it!!

Why does TV Guide employ so many of these completely worthless individuals?

I don't know about any of you, but I have no use whatsoever for completely valueless idiots telling me what's good and what's bad.

Later,
Art

I vaguely remember watching The New Leave It To Beaver in the '80s when it was on TBS. I was just a kid at the time, though, so I don't really remember if it was a good show or not. I have a hard time believing it was really *that* bad, though.

I watched THE NEW LEAVE IT TO BEAVER a number of times when it was on in the '80's. Every time I saw it I was very disappointed. It was truly a dreadful show. The scripts were extremely boring, as were the actors playing Beaver and Wally's kids. There were no laughs to be found anywhere. I always loved the original show, but the new version was so contrived it was ridiculous. It had Beaver and Wally with their families back in the old house with their mother. GMAB! Beaver was still acting like he did when he was seven years old, though he was now a father. Because they didn't let his character grow up, Beaver just wasn't believable anymore. This show was so stupid, and such a rip-off of the original show. They should have left well enough alone, just done that first TV movie, and then let the LEAVE IT TO BEAVER legend rest in peace. The new show did nothing but tarnish the memory of the original.

I think it was MORE realistic because Beaver was still Beaver. If he had turned into a "grown-up" like Ward, that would have been unrealistic to me. Again, the show wasn't the best show ever made, but it was definately funny and some episodes were really good. The boys on the show were played by good actors, especially Kipp Marcus and Eric Osmond, who played Kip Cleaver and Freddie Haskell. Kaleena Kiff who played Kelly Cleaver wasn't the best actress, but she was cute. And the neat thing about The New Leave it to Beaver is that June smiled much more and laughed much more than in the original. That was refreshing to see.:)

Originally posted by HaskellGirl
I think it was MORE realistic because Beaver was still Beaver. If he had turned into a "grown-up" like Ward, that would have been unrealistic to me. Again, the show wasn't the best show ever made, but it was definately funny and some episodes were really good. The boys on the show were played by good actors, especially Kipp Marcus and Eric Osmond, who played Kip Cleaver and Freddie Haskell. Kaleena Kiff who played Kelly Cleaver wasn't the best actress, but she was cute. And the neat thing about The New Leave it to Beaver is that June smiled much more and laughed much more than in the original. That was refreshing to see.:)

I wouldn't expect Beaver to grow up and act like Ward, but I would expect him to act like an adult. My brother was very much like Beaver when he was a kid. But now he's an adult and acts like an adult. Sure, there are elements of his personality that are still the same, but he's clearly matured and changed as real people do. Listen, it's fine that you like this show. But I also saw it and hated it. I never found it funny or even interesting. And as for June smiling more on the new version, that seems kind of creepy. What was up with that? Ward is dead so she smiles more?

Um, just because someone's husband dies several years ago, doesn't mean you have to go around moping for the rest of your life. She smiles a lot more probably because she's surrounded by her grandkids. She also attended classes and became a city councilwoman. Getting out of the kitchen probably felt really good after all those years!

My enjoyment of the classic Leave it to Beaver is even greater because of the New Leave it to Beaver. Its fascinating to see how everyone grew up and how they dealt with their own children. For me, I grew up on the New Leave it to Beaver and then saw the classic episodes. But I can understand how if someone grew up watching the classic episodes, they have a different feeling about it, because its not nostalgic in the same way.

I'm a bit confused on why you don't think Beaver acted like an adult. He definately acted like an adult and was portrayed as a caring and mature father to his kids. But he still had his personality. The difference between Leave it to Beaver and The New Leave it to Beaver is that in Leave it to Beaver, we mostly saw the children's exploits and adventures. Ward and June and other adults were featured, but mostly were there as supplements. On the New Leave it to Beaver, we saw it from everyone's point of view. The show was about children, but it was about adults too.

I'm not saying you have to like the show, but I'm just pointing out that The New Leave it to Beaver definately had its merits. For me, its a very important piece of the story. I think its so awesome that they made the new series and I'm so grateful that they did. I know some people only like the first few seasons of Leave it to Beaver. After Larry left, they think it all went down hill, and no matter how much you explain that while the show is different and Beaver grows up, that there are different cool things about the show (like watching Wally, Eddie, and Lumpy go through their teen years) , they still don't like it. I think its the same thing with The New Leave it to Beaver. You either like it or you don't.

I used to watch the updated version of Beaver in the 80s and enjoyed it very much. Oh sure, it wasn't up there with "Archie Bunkers Place", or "flo", but I liked seeing how everything turned out for the Cleavers and their friends. It was nice seeing Beav and his kids living with June in their old boyhood home.

Originally posted by HaskellGirl
Um, just because someone's husband dies several years ago, doesn't mean you have to go around moping for the rest of your life. She smiles a lot more probably because she's surrounded by her grandkids. She also attended classes and became a city councilwoman. Getting out of the kitchen probably felt really good after all those years!



I would love to see the show just from HaskellGirl's description. The New Beaver is just such a rare show, that I have my doubts that it will ever be picked up. That sucks. If Tvland is starting to pick up shows that only have a few episodes, why can't they show The New Beaver? Maybe they will if they drop LITB from the schedule.

JaneTVFan,
What's so farfetched, or "unbelievable", about a guy coming back home to live with his parents (or in this case *parent*), after a divorce? I did it myself following *my* divorce . . . after a few years of living on my own and then living with a friend. And, by the way, in "The New Leave It To Beaver," Wally didn't live *with* June, Beaver and the boys -- he lived next-door.

Of course, it's been quite a while since I've seen the show, but from what I recall, throughout the series, Beaver didn't act like a child. On the contrary, he showed that the lessons he had learned from his father were not completely lost. I seem to remember him guiding and advising his sons through the messes they got themselves into, in true Ward-like fashion. And, Wally doing the same with his kids.

As I said in my previous reply, "The New Leave It To Beaver " may not have been the greatest show there ever was, but it certainly wasn't totally worthless, either. A big part of the show's appeal, for me, was nostalgia. I really enjoyed seeing June, Beaver, Wally, Eddie Haskell and Lumpy Rutherford -- all played by the original actors -- showing what had become of those characters later on in life. It was also a kick seeing a new generation of sneaky, troublemaking young Haskells and their influence on a new generation of good, decent young Cleavers.

Above all, "The New Leave It To Beaver" was something television writers and producers seem to have forgotten how to create: a simple comedy show that can be enjoyed by 50-year-old men, 40-year-old women, high school students, young children, and everyone in between, all at the same time! It had no shocking "reality" and wasn't about sex and/or gay people. Unfortunately, I suppose, those are marks against it.

Later,
Art

All I can say is, well put Art! I couldn't have said it better myself. It's sad that a good, wholesome show is considered "bad" or "outdated" and a show featuring gays and foul language are considered the best shows on television. I say, if you want to see good television, watch old shows because there aren't too many good shows on the air today.

BeaversBiggestFan,
Thank you very much. That's why about 99.98% of the time, my TV is tuned to TVLand.

Later,
Art

Originally posted by BeaversBiggestFan
I say, if you want to see good television, watch old shows because there aren't too many good shows on the air today.

You can say that again.

Jenny,
The worst part is -- decades from now, people are going to be saying, "There's nothing but crap on TV. It's terrible -- not like the good ol' days when there were all those great shows on like 'Friends', 'Everybody Loves Raymond', 'Will & Grace', 'Just Shoot Me' . . . "

That's not only sad, it's scary.

Later,
Art

Originally posted by Artfiore1
Jenny,
The worst part is -- decades from now, people are going to be saying, "There's nothing but crap on TV. It's terrible -- not like the good ol' days when there were all those great shows on like 'Friends', 'Everybody Loves Raymond', 'Will & Grace', 'Just Shoot Me' . . . "

That's not only sad, it's scary.

Later,
Art

It is scary. When I have kids, my kids will think I'm such a hippie. (Which isn't such a bad thing) :) I watch mostly old shows now, and I know when I get to be in my 30's or 40's I'll still be watching all my old shows that I like. I hope tapes last that long, or else they better start cranking up some of the old shows I like on dvds!

I hope I'm not going to get flamed for saying this, but I just don't like shows like "Friends" or "Everybody Loves Raymond". I would rather sit down and watch shows like "The Twilight Zone" and "Batman" and "Leave it to Beaver" than any of the ones today.

When the New Beaver was in its run on TBS, most of that time I was working 10 hours daily in a factory and taking 6 - 10 hours of school on variable schedules, so I probably saw less than 1/4 of all the eps. I didn't have a VCR until '87, and its run was mostly over by then, I think. But a local independent station picked the series up for a while after it was cancelled, so I saw a few more then.

Anyway, my liking for the show is the same as for most fans of the 'old' series; just seeing Wally, Beaver, Eddie, Lumpy grown up and June as a grandmother who has become a little more feisty and has increased outside interests. Although I never saw most of the eps, I thought Wally seemed to be most like what we would expect from the original; still basically straight and steady. I didn't think Beaver acted "like a kid," but rather he went from a sometimes confused, and usually too gullible kid, to a wavering, often irresolute adult-- that's fairly expectable, too.

What did not make really good sense-- but probably did make good comedy-- was Eddie Haskell still being the same kind of trickster/con artist, just with more adult topics. In one ep I do remember, it was Aunt Martha's funeral. After the eulogies, Eddie Haskell got up and said something like, "I know Aunt Martha spread a lot of acorns around in her time, so if any of you who happened to be the fortunate recipients need a new home or a room added, remember Haskell Construction..." I think Wally and Beaver-- and maybe June with them-- would grab him and throw him out for that, but they didn't. And it just wouldn't happen.

Had Hugh Beaumont still been around and did this show-- and I have no idea whether he would have had anything to do with it-- it would have been quite different. Beaver and Lumpy both worked for their dads' 'old salt mine' (though I don't think we got to know just what the business was even then), but with Ward in the show he probably would have been the president, or at least their boss, and Beaver would constantly be making deals or doing things he feels he must hide from his dad. THAT may have been an interesting scenario; Ward couldn't run a business the same way he ran a family, with repetitive 'lessons' for Beav that Beaver need not fear coming to him when he has a problem. But that would probably have put June back with a life that centered around making her family happy with nutritious meals and softening up Ward when she thought he was being "too hard on Beaver." Perhaps any scenario with an adult Beaver Cleaver would have to portray him as an adult child, or else he just would not really be in character.

But no matter, I know of many shows that I would put on a "worst" list, and this is not one of them.

tdr,
Why do you feel that Eddie's behavior in "The New Leave It To Beaver" "did not make really good sense"? For a normal human being, perhaps. But, we're talking about Eddie Haskell, and the things he did in that series were typical Eddie. He was supposedly remodeling Wally's house throughout the series, and throughout the entire series, it never got done. He treated his wife like garbage. He shipped one of his sons off to military school when he was very young, merely for spilling juice on the carpet one day.

As for Beaver and Lumpy, if I'm not mistaken, they worked for Mr. Rutherford's accounting firm . . . until ol' Fred fired Beaver for some reason. Then, Beav and Lumpy became business partners -- starting an accounting firm of their own, while June, I believe, graduated from college and became a councilwoman in Mayfield. (Anyone correct me, if I'm wrong on any of this.)

Just today, I found and watched a two-part episode of the show, which I taped some time around 1989, I believe. In it, Beaver tried to sacrifice his own happiness for that of his sons, by attempting to remarry his ex-wife instead of the woman he really wanted to be with -- Wally's son's teacher. Typically, Eddie Haskell provided the entertainment for Beav's bachelor party -- a halfnaked dancing girl (Eddie's wife). Larry Mondello was at the party. (It was the original actor looking very much the same as he did when he was young except for a beard.) During the party, Wally said that Richard, Gilbert and Whitey were going to come . . . until they found out who Beaver was going to marry. Sure enough, the ex and soon-to-be-again Mrs. Cleaver ditched Beaver AGAIN -- this time at the altar! And, he ended up with the teacher, anyway. There was a nice scene near the end of the show, in which Beaver told his dejected sons after the almost-wedding, "I wanted us to be a family again." And, one of the boys said something like, "We already are."

Later,
Art

Originally posted by Artfiore1
tdr,
Why do you feel that Eddie's behavior in "The New Leave It To Beaver" "did not make really good sense"? For a normal human being, perhaps. But, we're talking about Eddie Haskell, and the things he did in that series were typical Eddie

Your last 2 statements in this quote is what I meant. Eddie Haskell being an adolsescent with an obviously phony politeness, while trying to trick or embarass someone, does work as character comedy. But an adult Eddie with the same mode would be more subtle, and the effects of his dishonest practices would reach into crime, and for sure the Cleavers would not be so welcoming. But, as I also said, this characterization still makes for good comedy, even though such a character is less believable as an adult.

I remember Richard Deacon did appear as Fred R. in Still the Beaver, but I never saw enough of the NLITB to know much about Beaver and Lumpy's business. I do remember the ep you mentioned about Beaver's "bachelor party" [rather a misnomer] and Larry Mondello being there and Eddie's wife dancing; in fact, she was stripping until Eddie finally said, "My god, woman!"

I remember one good line from June, but I have no idea what ep or what the gist was. But Wally came into the kitchen and said, "
Mom, I think I better warn you about Eddie Haskell." June replied, "You should have done that thirty years ago."

Originally posted by Jenny


I just don't like shows like "Friends" or "Everybody Loves Raymond". I would rather sit down and watch shows like "The Twilight Zone" and "Batman" and "Leave it to Beaver" than any of the ones today.
Same here. I never understood what the big deal is about "Friends".

I liked the movie Still the Beaver, and the series by the same name that was on the Disney Channel in 86 or so. I didn't like The New Leave It to Beaver as much because Eddie Haskell became even more mean and stupid than before. It was ok when his idiocy only hurt himself, but when he bought a pizza place and ruined the business as soon as he bought it, it seemed as though he was hurting his wife and kids too, and that wasn't funny to me.

Right on HaskellGirl and Art!

IF you watch the show, it is actually a very faithfull follow-up to the original series. The creators of the show (Brian Levant, Fred Fox, etc.) were dedicated to making it so. It was a very different series becasue it was not set in the 50s, but in the 80s. The Cleavers faced more modern problems- dare I say that the show was even more realistic in this way. The Cleaver family of the NLITB was reflective of many families of the 80s (divorce, etc.), while not abandoning the ideals of the 50s.

Beav wasn't a clone of Ward, and often struggled in his role as father- something that made for great storylines.

June was actually the rock of the family, and her character really blossomed on the new show.

Eddie was great- some of the best comedy on the show came from him.

ALL of the charcters in the NLITB were give depth (even Eddie) as well as their share of light-hearted moments. One only has to pay attention to see that. Unfortunalty, it's nearly impossible see the show now. Perhaps when the generation that watched it in the 80s gets a bit older, the show will be more widely syndicated.

Mark B.

Originally posted by BeaversBiggestFan
All I can say is, well put Art! I couldn't have said it better myself. It's sad that a good, wholesome show is considered "bad" or "outdated" and a show featuring gays and foul language are considered the best shows on television. I say, if you want to see good television, watch old shows because there aren't too many good shows on the air today.

TOTAL DITTO!!!!!!!

I seriously get made fun of by my friends for being such a "classic" tv nut! I LOVE almost all "syndicated" shows! from Leave it to Beaver and I Love Lucy to Facts of Life and Diff'rent Strokes to Roseanne and Home Improvement. I personally just love the 50's and 60's era of television (mostly the 50's) becuase it was so true to the home yet done in a sophisticated manner. No drugs, alcohol, pregnant teenagers, sex, violence, no kids running hell through the streets nor was there evan an ounce of swearing, even though (as mentioned before) that is one of LITB's downsides, it still goes to show you that it CAN be done... and that it is doing SOOO fine! I like to watch my televisoin to get away from the real-life troubles i face within my own life, not to see how much worser (sorry i know that's not a word) i could REALLY feel! I like to have that warm feeling inside that I could be just like June when i'm older and have a family (if you didn't know on this board, I am going to be 17 in october) I can see how i WISH my life could be, and how i want my life with my kids to be, how to inevidabaly raise my children as june did and understand the wacky things they can get into. Sure it would have been quite cool to see what would have happened if the boys had gotten into drinking (as we all know hte episode about smoking WAS made!!! which i was surprised and greatful for) but I am glad to be able to tune into the best years of the earth, when kids respected their parents more (calling ward and june sir and ma'am) and when kids told the truth, even if it was after they were caught. I truely wish we could go back to that point in time... does anybody else feel this way sometimes??

Originally posted by FOL85NatandMrsGRock


TOTAL DITTO!!!!!!!

I seriously get made fun of by my friends for being such a "classic" tv nut! I LOVE almost all "syndicated" shows! from Leave it to Beaver and I Love Lucy to Facts of Life and Diff'rent Strokes to Roseanne and Home Improvement. I personally just love the 50's and 60's era of television (mostly the 50's) becuase it was so true to the home yet done in a sophisticated manner. No drugs, alcohol, pregnant teenagers, sex, violence, no kids running hell through the streets nor was there evan an ounce of swearing, even though (as mentioned before) that is one of LITB's downsides, it still goes to show you that it CAN be done... and that it is doing SOOO fine! I like to watch my televisoin to get away from the real-life troubles i face within my own life, not to see how much worser (sorry i know that's not a word) i could REALLY feel! I like to have that warm feeling inside that I could be just like June when i'm older and have a family (if you didn't know on this board, I am going to be 17 in october) I can see how i WISH my life could be, and how i want my life with my kids to be, how to inevidabaly raise my children as june did and understand the wacky things they can get into. Sure it would have been quite cool to see what would have happened if the boys had gotten into drinking (as we all know hte episode about smoking WAS made!!! which i was surprised and greatful for) but I am glad to be able to tune into the best years of the earth, when kids respected their parents more (calling ward and june sir and ma'am) and when kids told the truth, even if it was after they were caught. I truely wish we could go back to that point in time... does anybody else feel this way sometimes??

I feel the exact way you do. I do mean EXACTLY.

Like if I mentioned the name Andy Griffith in school, some people would look at me like I had just grown horns or something out of my head. I guess it was just highly unusual for an 18 year old girl to know about stuff from the 60's.

About going back in time to the carefree days of the 50s- I know the 50's had its problems, but the 50's just seemed so perfect to me. I think back then you could actually trust people. In today's times, you just don't know what you're going to get into if you trust somebody.

The thing about the 'No Sir, No Ma'am' and 'Yes Ma'am and Yes Sir' and of course the 'Please and Thank You' is that it really seemed big back in the 50's. I don't say the sir and ma'am bit to my parents, but I do say it to other adults. I had a teacher last year that really seemed surprise that I said thank you to her. I guess not many people did that to her, but that's just the way I was brought up. I wasn't sucking up to her or anything like that. It's just the way I was brought up.

Just wanted to reply and let you know that I felt the exact way you do.

Originally posted by FOL85NatandMrsGRock

...I truely wish we could go back to that point in time... does anybody else feel this way sometimes??
Yes!!! I have wished so many times I could go back and live in those times. A lot of things were so much better back then. But then I also think of ways that we are better off today. Back then women didn't have the respect and equality with men that they have today. A woman was defined by her husband and family, not by who she was.

Also, they didn't have a lot of the technology that we have today. I especially love the computer and email since I live 2000 miles away from my family and where I grew up. It's also pretty easy to hop on a plane and go to visit them. The kind of relationship I still can have with my family would have been almost impossible if I live in the 50s.

I think the best thing to do is not to wish to go back, but to try to bring as much of the values of the 50s to the present. Eat dinner together every night. Teach kids to respect adults and use sir and ma'am when appropriate. Teach them to put others ahead of themselves. Don't let them watch the junk on TV, and set the example by not watching it myself. All that plays on my TV are classic TV shows, and a few other good ones that have made it on, such as Doc. None of the violence and reality stuff. I think by setting a good example and teaching "old fashioned" values, I'm getting the best of both times.

Christina

Hi again all,
WARNING! This is my most long-winded reply of all:

First of all, let me say how tremendously impressed I am with the teenaged girls in this discussion. Having the opinions that you do is quite rare in this day and age, and expressing them takes a lot of courage . . . especially when they confront with what is clearly popular opinion for your age group and actually the views of your very own friends. You're really something! There is hope for the future, after all! Way to go, ladies!

I'll be one of the first to say that having grown up in the 1960s was wonderful -- but, mostly from the perspective of looking back on it today. In other words, we didn't know *then* how great it was. It didn't seem particularly ideal at the time. (That could be because we didn't have all the negatives of the future to compare it to.) Sure, women have come a long way since then. But, even then, the person I admired most and tried to be the most like was my older sister. My mom loved her home and her kitchen, but she also had a job and had friends. And sure, we have progessed a lot technologically. Back then, we didn't have cell phones, microwave ovens, VCRs, computers or e-mail. Ordinary people did not have pagers or answering machines. But, you know what -- we didn't miss them. We got along just fine without any of those things. So it took longer for things to cook. When you called someone and they weren't home you just got no answer and had to try again later. If you had to go out somewhere on a night when your favorite show was going to be on, you had two choices -- you could stay home and watch it . . . or you could go out and miss it, hoping to catch it on a rerun, etc., etc. It was as simple as that.

And finally, getting back to that issue of the quality of today's TV shows versus that of the old shows: Earlier this weekend, I read quite an interesting and insightful quote by Yvonne Craig, the former actress who played Batgirl during the final season of the "Batman" TV series. It's a theory so simple and obvious that it left me wondering why I hadn't thought of it before, myself. She said that the writers of the TV shows of the 1950s and 1960s had grown up experiencing life and listening to radio programs. They were trained to have imaginations, or they did so out of necessity. But, the writers of today's shows grew up sitting front of a television. Without even realizing it, they got used to directors, set designers and makeup artists doing their imagining for them. I think this, of course, is reflected in the big change that took place in television comedy in the early-to-mid 1990s. It essentially became less about contrived predicaments and more about little things we all recognize -- quirky friends and family members, meaningless everyday situations and mildly humorous conversations that take place all the time in our homes, schools and workplaces . . . with a certain amount of sex and vulgarity thrown in to liven things up.

Later,
Art