This is an interesting audio of Dick York talking in his memoir "The seesaw girl and me"

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I'm sure if Elizabeth Montgomery was still alive when York's book/memoir was released, she would have hated to hear York talking in such a lecherous way about her publicly.

If you read the comments of this video you'll see a lot of people saying that York sounds creepy and now they understand why Liz hated him. I feel the same way as them.


After hearing York talking in a lecherous and creepy way about Liz, it's understandable why Liz wanted York fired and always stayed clear of him behind the scenes. Liz just did what any other woman would have done in her place.

He does sound creepy

The wording is that of a man who thinks he's being clever and or cute, but it comes off as gross and distasteful. If that is the man's actual personality, it's quite easy to see why EM would be put off by him.

Creepy is a good word. But he also sounds weak. Overall it's just sad.

The wording is that of a man who thinks he's being clever and or cute, but it comes off as gross and distasteful. If that is the man's actual personality, it's quite easy to see why EM would be put off by him.

Creepy is a good word. But he also sounds weak. Overall it's just sad.

This was from the original tapes Dick York recorded his thoughts on for his planned autobiography. A copy, most likely, that York let a certain author borrow when this person claimed they could help York get it published, but never did. Then this author tried to sell copies of the tapes to private collectors for $15,000 each behind York's back. I know this because this author offered to sell me a copy way before Claudia Kuehl (a true friend of the York's) was able to really publish York's book.

York initially wasn't sure he would even keep this part in, but Claudia released everything into the book as is. These were his memories of "falling in love" with Liz, and you can see the chemistry between them onscreen. Bill Asher admitted that he thought York was better as Darrin because "they (York and Elizabeth) were in love and they acted like it."

York mentions in the book that his feelings about falling in love with Liz were private and something he'd check with her on before he released a book (they were both alive at the time):

"This is the kind of sh*t that they use to sell books. This is the kind of private, inside stuff that they like to take quotes out of and splash on headlines and put on supermarkets, and use old pictures or...Oh, Lizzie, rather than have that happen, we may cut all this out. I may have to call you, Liz. I may have to call ya."

As demonstrated here York certainly called out "supermarket tabloid sensationalism." York's book is really quite sweet and touching. Falling in love with Elizabeth and his own wife (whom he never cheated on, BTW) is about a romanticized kind of love which is all through the book. Much of the book is a kind of stream of consciousness thing about life and love and feelings.

Incidentally, Bernie Kopell said "Everybody had a crush on Elizabeth Montgomery. Everybody had a crush on her. She was delicious. She was provocative." - the first sentence he says here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOk_0CbIz4

This was from the original tapes Dick York recorded his thoughts on for his planned autobiography. A copy, most likely, that York let a certain author borrow when this person claimed they could help York get it published, but never did. Then this author tried to sell copies of the tapes to private collectors for $15,000 each behind York's back. I know this because this author offered to sell me a copy way before Claudia Kuehl (a true friend of the York's) was able to really publish York's book.

York initially wasn't sure he would even keep this part in, but Claudia released everything into the book as is. These were his memories of "falling in love" with Liz, and you can see the chemistry between them onscreen. Bill Asher admitted that he thought York was better as Darrin because "they (York and Elizabeth) were in love and they acted like it."

York mentions in the book that his feelings about falling in love with Liz were private and something he'd check with her on before he released a book (they were both alive at the time):

"This is the kind of sh*t that they use to sell books. This is the kind of private, inside stuff that they like to take quotes out of and splash on headlines and put on supermarkets, and use old pictures or...Oh, Lizzie, rather than have that happen, we may cut all this out. I may have to call you, Liz. I may have to call ya."

As demonstrated here York certainly called out "supermarket tabloid sensationalism." York's book is really quite sweet and touching. Falling in love with Elizabeth and his own wife (whom he never cheated on, BTW) is about a romanticized kind of love which is all through the book. Much of the book is a kind of stream of consciousness thing about life and love and feelings.

Incidentally, Bernie Kopell said "Everybody had a crush on Elizabeth Montgomery. Everybody had a crush on her. She was delicious. She was provocative." - the first sentence he says here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOk_0CbIz4


Nice story, but you're just rambling. Your arguments to defend York are pretty weak man.


If York didn't want this part to be in his memoir, why did he talk about it while recording himself to do the memoir? what you say makes no sense.


Anyways even if it's true that York didn't want this part to be in his memoir, (which I don't believe at all) it doesn't matter, the important thing is what he said, and what he said about Liz makes him look like a creep and a perv.


York talked in a lecherous way about Liz, and as you can see in the comments the majority of the people who watched this video said the same things as KatieAnn, everybody agrees that York sounds creepy, everybody agrees that York talks about Liz like she was a sexual object, everybody agrees York is disgusting in this video, and you can't change the opinion of the people who watched this video with your ridiculous fake stories.


Your can throw all the tantrums you want, but your tantrums won't change people's opinions on York, sorry dude :happyface:happyface

Another thing tcr1701, William Asher said that Samantha and Darrin were in love, and Liz and York acted like it, he didn't say they were in love in real life, so you're a blatant liar.


Bernie Kopell said everybody had a crush on Liz, but he didn't talk about her like she was a sexual object, which is what York did, that's the difference, it's ridiculous that you're trying to put York's lecherous words about Liz in the same level as Bernie Kopell's words, so you're just embarrassing yourself at this point.


Anyways you need to understand that it's no coincidence that the majority of the people who watched this video said that York is creepy and a perv. :happyface


As much as it hurts you to see people saying that they now understand why Liz hated York and wanted him fired, you have to deal with it like a man, instead of making up fake stories and week arguments to try to defend what can't be defended.

The wording is that of a man who thinks he's being clever and or cute, but it comes off as gross and distasteful. If that is the man's actual personality, it's quite easy to see why EM would be put off by him.

Creepy is a good word. But he also sounds weak. Overall it's just sad.

I totally agree with you, it's obvious why Liz hated this perv and wanted him to get fired, any other woman would have done the same thing.

He sound delirious and not of sound mind.

He certainly comes off as creepy, it's interesting because this clip gives validity to what the producer William Froug said, he said York was madly in love with Elizabeth Montogmery, and he was 100% right, this clip proves it.

Frough also said Elizabeth couldn't stand him and wanted him out of the show, seeing how creepy York sounds while talking about her, would be logical that she was bothered by him and wanted him gone.

He sounds creepy, but I still believe Elizabeth Montgomery felt threatened by York because York and Liz were equally the stars of the show, and she wanted to be the only star of the show, she didn't like to be eclipsed by York in a lot of episodes.

He certainly comes off as creepy, it's interesting because this clip gives validity to what the producer William Froug said, he said York was madly in love with Elizabeth Montogmery, and he was 100% right, this clip proves it.

Frough also said Elizabeth couldn't stand him and wanted him out of the show, seeing how creepy York sounds while talking about her, would be logical that she was bothered by him and wanted him gone.


I agree with you, it all makes sense now. York was infatuated by Liz, he made her feel uncomfortable, Liz got tired of his inappropriate behavior and asked the producers to fire him.


The lecherous way York talks about Liz, proves how creepy he was to her, he sounds like a guy who would make Liz feel uncomfortable on the set.


This video is the proof that Frough was right, York acted like a cretin towards Liz, she couldn't stand him and wanted him fired. And that's why Liz never talked with York again after Bewitched ended, while she kept in touch with Sargent.


That's why Liz always praised the cast of Bewitched, especially Sargent, but she never mentioned York. It all makes sense, now we know the story thanks to Frough and thanks to York himself.

He could have taled about how a nice person she was, and how he enjoyed working with her, but what he did is reducer her as a sexual meat. I lost the respect I had for Dick York, you can't talk like that about a married woman in public, this is disrespectful to Elizabeth Montgomery and her husband.

If Dick York had no problem talking about Elizabeth Montgomery as a sexual object in public, imagine the things he could have done in private. I fell sorry for Elizabeth Montgomery, must've been very hard to deal with a perv like him.

Do you ever contribute anything to this board besides anti-York posts? It doesn't look like it.

Do you ever contribute anything to this board besides anti-York posts? It doesn't look like it.

This Topic is about York, so let's not make it about me, please.

What do you think about York talking in a lecherous way about Liz? you think it's fine? you think it's something a nice person would do? tell us.

I think it was a stream-of-consciousness book that he intended to edit later, because he *straight-up says so* in it. He muses calling Liz and offers to cut that part out.

However, it was published posthumously, so obviously that didn't happen.

I think it was a stream-of-consciousness book that he intended to edit later, because he *straight-up says so* in it. He muses calling Liz and offers to cut that part out.

However, it was published posthumously, so obviously that didn't happen.


As I said before, even if it's true that York didn't want this part to be published in his memoir, means absolutely nothing, why did he say those things in the first place then?

For example, if you have a close friend, and he's been recorded saying bad things about you and your family, and then he tells you he didn't want that recording to be heard by anybody, would you still be friends with him after you heard all the bad things he said about you and your family?

Would you keep acting as nothing happened and continue being friends with him, just because he didn't want that recording to be heard?

Come on man, be logical, and don't let your denial get the best of out of you.

Haven't you ever said things in your life you later regretted? Like... ever?

Also, "The Seesaw Girl and Me" wasn't published until long after York and Montgomery were both dead, so she never heard that stuff.

And I'm not a man.

Haven't you ever said things in your life you later regretted? Like... ever?

Also, "The Seesaw Girl and Me" wasn't published until long after York and Montgomery were both dead, so she never heard that stuff.

And I'm not a man.


Oh, so York knew Liz was going to die because of cancer? he knew that by the date the book gets published Liz was going to be dead already?

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This is like trying to explain things to a brick wall, but here we go.

Have you even bothered reading his entire book, or do you just complain about that one part again and again and again and again for all eternity? That dead horse isn't just beaten; it's a pile of pulp.

If you did bother to read the rest of the (dictated) book, you'd know that he narrated it in 1985. In it, he muses cutting that part out. But it wasn't published, and thusly, he never edited it. He died in 1992. Montgomery died in 1995. "The Seesaw Girl and Me" wasn't published until 2004.

But why read a book for context when you can keep compulsively posting the same passage over and over on a random online message board instead of, like, going outside?

This was from the original tapes Dick York recorded his thoughts on for his planned autobiography. A copy, most likely, that York let a certain author borrow when this person claimed they could help York get it published, but never did. Then this author tried to sell copies of the tapes to private collectors for $15,000 each behind York's back. I know this because this author offered to sell me a copy way before Claudia Kuehl (a true friend of the York's) was able to really publish York's book.

York initially wasn't sure he would even keep this part in, but Claudia released everything into the book as is. These were his memories of "falling in love" with Liz, and you can see the chemistry between them onscreen. Bill Asher admitted that he thought York was better as Darrin because "they (York and Elizabeth) were in love and they acted like it."

York mentions in the book that his feelings about falling in love with Liz were private and something he'd check with her on before he released a book (they were both alive at the time):

"This is the kind of sh*t that they use to sell books. This is the kind of private, inside stuff that they like to take quotes out of and splash on headlines and put on supermarkets, and use old pictures or...Oh, Lizzie, rather than have that happen, we may cut all this out. I may have to call you, Liz. I may have to call ya."

As demonstrated here York certainly called out "supermarket tabloid sensationalism." York's book is really quite sweet and touching. Falling in love with Elizabeth and his own wife (whom he never cheated on, BTW) is about a romanticized kind of love which is all through the book. Much of the book is a kind of stream of consciousness thing about life and love and feelings.

Incidentally, Bernie Kopell said "Everybody had a crush on Elizabeth Montgomery. Everybody had a crush on her. She was delicious. She was provocative." - the first sentence he says here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOk_0CbIz4


Out of curiosity, who was this author?

This is like trying to explain things to a brick wall, but here we go.

Have you even bothered reading his entire book, or do you just complain about that one part again and again and again and again for all eternity? That dead horse isn't just beaten; it's a pile of pulp.

If you did bother to read the rest of the (dictated) book, you'd know that he narrated it in 1985. In it, he muses cutting that part out. But it wasn't published, and thusly, he never edited it. He died in 1992. Montgomery died in 1995. "The Seesaw Girl and Me" wasn't published until 2004.

But why read a book for context when you can keep compulsively posting the same passage over and over on a random online message board instead of, like, going outside?

The thing is York didn't know that Liz would be dead when the book got published, so he disrespected Liz and her husband by talking about her like she was a sexual object.

And there's nothing out of context here, York said what he said, he talked about how hot her legs and leaps were, he also talked about her hair, he even said Liz was "sex all over", this is gross and clasless.

You don't like that people call York creepy and a perv? well, York himself proved he was creepy and a perv, so deall with it :happyface:happyface

Arfies, this is how Monliz has been for a long time. He/she only talks about DY and his "obsession" with EM. I believe if it was a bad as Monliz thinks that William Asher would have made sure DY was gone way before season 5. WA has never that I can tell said anything bad about DY.

It's obvious by Monliz's responses that he/she has never read the book, only passages. Monliz's obsession with the topic is a sickening as Monliz claims DY was.

How come Liz and Sargent were good friends in the 1990s but she and York weren't?

How come Liz commented Sargent's deadh, but kept silent when York died?

After watching this video and how creepy York is while talking about Liz, the answer to those those question are obvious.

William Asher cheated on Liz with other women in more than one ocasion, so...

It's also been said that EM cheated on WA.

Interesting.

According to harpiesbizarre.com/faq.htm:

Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York, who played the original Darrin, got along quite well and their chemistry was part of the reason for the success of the show.

When York took ill and Sargent replaced him in the 6th season, it was difficult for him and he was uncomfortable at first, but even with a differing style, Montgomery came to love the second Darrin as well.

Liz only cheated on William Asher once she caugh William cheating on her.


And why didn't you answer the other questions?


How come Liz and Sargent were good friends in the 1990s but she and York weren't?

How come Liz commented Sargent's death, but kept silent when York died?

Why did Liz never returm York's calls when he called her in his last years before he died?


Come on Wilbo, answer these questions :happyface:happyface

In the interview with Pilato, Liz talked about Sargent but she didn't talk about York.

Pilato posted the audio of Liz saying Dick Sargent was terrific.

However there isn't a single audio in the whole internet of Liz prasing York, why is this Willbo?:happyface:happyface

Why would I answer those questions? You are only focused on one thing on this board and that is spewing hatred toward DY, a dead man. Rarely do you comment on anything else that is positive toward the show.

Most of the posters on this board love the show and comment positively about it. Like anything in life, there is the good, bad and ugly. Most just prefer to look at the good. The people that were involved can no longer speak for themselves as they are no longer with us. I believe that EM, DY, DS and WA were all good people but humans as well with flaws. Leave the past in the past. None of us were there and we will never know the whole story.

Why would I answer those questions? You are only focused on one thing on this board and that is spewing hatred toward DY, a dead man. Rarely do you comment on anything else that is positive toward the show.

Most of the posters on this board love the show and comment positively about it. Like anything in life, there is the good, bad and ugly. Most just prefer to look at the good. The people that were involved can no longer speak for themselves as they are no longer with us. I believe that EM, DY, DS and WA were all good people but humans as well with flaws. Leave the past in the past. None of us were there and we will never know the whole story.

Thank you. If this board had an upvote feature, I’d use it.

Why would I answer those questions? You are only focused on one thing on this board and that is spewing hatred toward DY, a dead man. Rarely do you comment on anything else that is positive toward the show.

Most of the posters on this board love the show and comment positively about it. Like anything in life, there is the good, bad and ugly. Most just prefer to look at the good. The people that were involved can no longer speak for themselves as they are no longer with us. I believe that EM, DY, DS and WA were all good people but humans as well with flaws. Leave the past in the past. None of us were there and we will never know the whole story.

You're deflecting because you know I'm right. You don't want to answer those questions because you know Liz didn't like York because of his bad behavior towards her, you just don't want to admit it.

If you don't want to talk about this topic, then why did you entered in this thread in the first place? I mean, if you don't like this topic and don't want to talk about it because York and Liz are dead, it's respectable, but you can't tell other people to stop talking about it. Let the people who are interested in things that happened behind the scenes, to talk about it. We're free to talk about any thing we want, we live in a democracy after all.

I think it's hypocrital for your part to enter in this thread, and say that Liz liked York, however when I did some questions to you that prove Liz hated York, you deflected it and said you don't want to talk about this topic.

If you don't want to talk about this topic, then stay out of this thread, it's simple. :)

There are plenty of my questions that you haven’t answered either and deflected on, Monliz.

There are plenty of my questions that you haven’t answered either, Monliz.

Not true at all, I answered all your questions, however you didn't answer the questions I made because you know I'm right.

Monliz, go take meds.

Monliz, go take meds.

I don't take meds, however you do take meds, so go take them, it's time now :happyface

I agree with you

Of course you would. You're the same person with a new sock puppet account created just a few days ago.

(For anyone who's wondering, "Monliz" and "_Bob" are the same person. That's why Monliz deleted that post just now, because they were called out on it).

He could have taled about how a nice person she was, and how he enjoyed working with her, but what he did is reducer her as a sexual meat. I lost the respect I had for Dick York, you can't talk like that about a married woman in public, this is disrespectful to Elizabeth Montgomery and her husband.

If Dick York had no problem talking about Elizabeth Montgomery as a sexual object in public, imagine the things he could have done in private. I fell sorry for Elizabeth Montgomery, must've been very hard to deal with a perv like him.

I agree with you

I agree with you

Of course you're going to agree with your other sock puppet account! (And then put that comment back once I called you out on it!) :lol:

What I don't understand is if Dick York was that "creepy" and bad, what kind of a husband was William Asher? He was RIGHT THERE. I've listened to a lot of interviews from him about Dick York and this situation, but he NEVER seemed bothered by the fact that Liz "couldn't stand him." He obviously saw what everyone else did, but it appears as if he was fine with Dick York. Am I the only one that finds that odd and disturbing??

The most logical explanation is that even though Dick York thought she was hot (who wouldn’t?!) he never actually did anything “creepy” like Monliz continually claims despite no evidence. So there wouldn’t have been anything for William Asher to “catch.”

William Froug only produced season 3, and by his own admission, was rarely on the set because Asher did the “real” producing. So his conclusion that Liz couldn’t stand York because he “looked at her longingly” on his backboard is just supposition. I personally think it had more to do with York’s health problems, which began to get worse in season 3. After all, York had a crush on her from the audition, and yet they got along fine the first two seasons.

What I don't understand is if Dick York was that "creepy" and bad, what kind of a husband was William Asher? He was RIGHT THERE. I've listened to a lot of interviews from him about Dick York and this situation, but he NEVER seemed bothered by the fact that Liz "couldn't stand him." He obviously saw what everyone else did, but it appears as if he was fine with Dick York. Am I the only one that finds that odd and disturbing??

No, you're not the only one who finds that odd and disturbing. It seems like Asher put the show ahead of his wife's feelings, and only dropped DY when DY wasn't physically able to do the show anymore. It seems like Asher just expected his wife to put up with allegedly feeling uncomfortable around her co-star, for the sake of the show.

But you can look at it in so many different ways. One way is that they all made a commitment to doing the show with this cast, and maybe as long as EM was only allegedly "uncomfortable" but not "in danger," Asher thought it was the price they had to pay for continuing to do their hit show with their original cast. A lot of people don't like their co-workers, but they still work together because they have a job and they want to keep it.

We can look at it from a 2021 perspective and say no woman should have to be in a situation where her co worker made her feel uncomfortable, but in the sixties, I wonder if people even cared how a woman felt about things like that? That maybe it was expected and people thought, 'what's the big deal? You should be flattered!?'

You know, I'm thinking back to what started all this: one interview from William Froug, producer of season 3 only, and he drew his own conclusions as to why this alleged "we've got to get rid of HIM!" meeting happened (in the video, he claims it was at the beginning of season 3; in his book (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=403696), he claims it was at the end of season 3). Nobody besides him ever claimed Elizabeth tried to get her co-star fired- not William Asher, not Harry Ackerman, not even the "gossip rags" that would've eaten this stuff up back in the day (as they did with other drama on the "Bewitched" set). It mirrors something else Froug claimed she did with Richard Michaels (demanding he not set foot on the set again without explaining why. Michaels and Montgomery later had an affair, so not sure what went on there). Froug's conclusion was "she was a tough cookie. And nuts." (which YouTuber "Dan Whit" cut out of their YouTube video, because all they seem to have on their account are selectively edited anti-Dick York videos for some reason). For whatever reason, Froug did not like Montgomery, portraying her as somebody with a short temper quick to turn on anyone for perceived slights, which I think was uncharitable. She seemed like a nice lady. So I have to think: did any of this even happen in the first place?

Froug's conclusion was "she was a tough cookie. And nuts." (which YouTuber "Dan Whit" cut out of their YouTube video, because all they seem to have on their account are selectively edited anti-Dick York videos for some reason). For whatever reason, Froug did not like Montgomery, portraying her as somebody with a short temper quick to turn on anyone for perceived slights, which I think was uncharitable. She seemed like a nice lady. So I have to think: did any of this even happen in the first place?

You definitely aren't the only one to notice the audio clips have been selectively edited. I remember last year, a clip was posted here, removing what Elizabeth Montgomery had said about Dick York's departure (that it was a shame). Imagine being so obsessed with Elizabeth Montgomery that you'd actually doctor what she said to present Dick York in a negative way!

It’s the same “Dan Whit” person who posted that on their YouTube channel. Not only does it make Dick York look “not missed,” it makes Elizabeth Montgomery look uncaring, when in truth she said it was “a shame” like you mentioned. So if that’s their agenda, it backfired, because now the comments there are like “OMG she didn’t care about what happened to Dick York!!! How cold!” I don’t know what this YouTuber’s deal is.

It’s the same “Dan Whit” person who posted that on their YouTube channel. Not only does it make Dick York look “not missed,” it makes Elizabeth Montgomery look uncaring, when in truth she said it was “a shame” like you mentioned. So if that’s their agenda, it backfired, because now the comments there are like “OMG she didn’t care about what happened to Dick York!!! How cold!” I don’t know what this YouTuber’s deal is.

I agree: the edit doesn't present Liz in a good light. Her original statement would have been so much better, without the selective edit: she would have acknowledged that it was a shame, and then she could have moved ahead with a 'but the show must go on'-type statement. The edit unintentionally makes Ms. Montgomery seem cold... at least, I don't think that was the intention.

Some guys here seem triggered because a lot of people criticize Dick York for his bad behavior towards Liz.

Seems like some guys didn't want the truth to be known, they wanted York on a pedestal for eternity, well I'm sorry, but as much is it hurts you to see all the criticism of York, you have to deal with it!

I’m not a guy. You seem triggered by something that quite possibly didn’t even happen, and won't stop beating a decades-dead horse, because apparently you have nothing better to do with your life. No one else besides William Froug said anything happened (least of all so-called “bad behavior”) as even he said he just “looked longingly” at her (Froug also called EM “nuts,” so do you really want to use him as a witness?

No one else has reported on anything happening. Not William Asher. Not Harry Ackerman. Not Elizabeth Montgomery. Not Agnes Moorehead. Not even the “gossip rags” that LOVED to report on drama on the “Bewitched” set.

These are some of the comments people made on this video of York talking about Liz:


David Arundel:
He sounds like a creep.

nightstalkerck:
He really sounds pervy here, there's no wonder Elizabeth couldn't stand him.

Michael Wilson:
She was creeped out by his behavior. Understandably so - the guy is obsessed with her.


Ocelot1962:
I thought Elizabeth Montgomery was cold hearted for the way she cut off all communication with Dick York, not even visiting him in the hospital after he collapsed on the set, not taking his call years later when he fell on hard times.

I heard the rumours that she didn't like him because he made her uncomfortable, but I didn't believe them. I thought Elizabeth was just another clique-forming, conceited pretty person who wanted York out so her friend Dick Sergeant could have the job.

Listening to this, however, leads me to believe the rumours were true. He sounds downright creepy in this interview. Put yourself in her place. Here she is, a married woman, being ogled at and lusted after by a married Dick York. Today, behaviour like that in the workplace would have gotten him fired for harassment, and rightfully so.

No one should feel creeped out by a work colleague, especially one you have to work with as closely as she had to work with York. My apologies to the memory of the stunningly beautiful Elizabeth Montgomery.


Deisi666:
Something about his voice is very unsettling to me. I can understand having a crush on someone you work with as most of us do, but the way in which he describes her is giving me a little predator vibes

Bill L:
This confirms other vids I've seen where Liz is said to not have liked Dick at all because of his infatuation with her. If he speaks this way of her now after all these years, imagine how intolerable he must have been to her at the time they worked together.


Stranded NYer:
It's so weird how he never, ever talks about her personality. He talks about her legs, her hair, everything, even says she's "sex all over," but never said anything like, "She was funny, interesting, cool, nice," etc. He couldn't have cared less about who she was as a person, only cared about how sexy she looked.


Randall Keith:
Poor Elizabeth, it must have been difficult for her to deal with this creep, no wonder why she asked the producers of the show to fire him


Mark Marsh:
CREEPY AS HELL! .... totally reducing Her to a sexual object, no mention of her attractiveness as a person whatsoever. .... JESUS.


David Evans:
This creepy stuff is why she hated him and demanded he be taken off the show. Its the reason for "the transition".


Marina Gallant:
Ewwwwww. I feel really uncomfortable listening to him. He sounds like a stalker to me.

Like I said, it appears you have nothing better to do with your life. Go outside. Take up a productive hobby. Play a sport.

I don't think I've ever seen someone go after a person who's been dead 29 years like I have in this thread. My goodness, let it go ... or at least stop repeating yourself incessantly.

I don't think I've ever seen someone go after a person who's been dead 29 years like I have in this thread. My goodness, let it go ... or at least stop repeating yourself incessantly.

That won't happen. Monliz has been posting this stuff about Dick York weekly since at least January 2020 (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=5672515&postcount=183), maybe longer.

I think it does sound a little creepy... out of context...

I think when he mentions "sex" what he's saying is "sex appeal." He's saying when he first saw her, he thought she had a great deal of sex appeal. Which she does. Which any man would be dumb to deny. Which is a compliment. Which isn't creepy at all... When framed in that context. Which I think is the correct context.

This was from the original tapes Dick York recorded his thoughts on for his planned autobiography. A copy, most likely, that York let a certain author borrow when this person claimed they could help York get it published, but never did. Then this author tried to sell copies of the tapes to private collectors for $15,000 each behind York's back. I know this because this author offered to sell me a copy way before Claudia Kuehl (a true friend of the York's) was able to really publish York's book.


Out of curiosity, who was this author?

I really don't want to cause issues for this author - which of course by now could be considered hearsay anyway - but this person emailed me and did offer to sell me a copy for that unholy sum. Not a penny of which would have gone to Joan York who was still alive at the time. I did not keep that original email offer but discussed it with the Harpies Bizarre administrators who were also offered copies per our discussion.

The most logical explanation is that even though Dick York thought she was hot (who wouldn’t?!) he never actually did anything “creepy” like Monliz continually claims despite no evidence. So there wouldn’t have been anything for William Asher to “catch.”

William Froug only produced season 3, and by his own admission, was rarely on the set because Asher did the “real” producing. So his conclusion that Liz couldn’t stand York because he “looked at her longingly” on his backboard is just supposition. I personally think it had more to do with York’s health problems, which began to get worse in season 3. After all, York had a crush on her from the audition, and yet they got along fine the first two seasons.

Also, if they were between scenes - and it was a romantic scene coming up - York could very well have been "in character" so when the director yelled action "Darrin" would be looking lovingly at Samantha. Incidentally, the Star Trek cast said Leonard Nimoy was almost always in character (as Spock) on set. Elizabeth would have know York was in character. She even commented that she hoped that Dick Sargent was smart enough to use his real like issues with Agnes in his performances as Darrin with Endora (maybe that's why Sargent's Darrin really seemed to hate Endora).

Even Froug said it was only his interpretation - he didn't know anything for certain. He could very well have been wrong. If you watch Liz with York onscreen she never looks uncomfortable. She really had chemistry with him and acted like she (as Samantha) really loved him (Darrin). Which is what Bill Asher said himself.