View Full Version : Why was June such a snooper?


Tankeryanker
05-16-2021, 02:59 PM
Was it something from her childhood? Was it about control? Did she really think raising children was akin to war?

RetroGuy2000
05-16-2021, 03:26 PM
She had nothing better to do than go through every closet, trunk, and drawer in the house.

Cx
05-16-2021, 04:37 PM
Yeah, I agree she had too much time on her hands. That, overlayed with her control freak tendencies.

GentlemanJim
05-16-2021, 05:34 PM
Aren't all mothers "snoopers"? My mom sure was. I think eventually she stopped because catching me with contraband was more stressful on her than on me.

LOL, I remember once my mom thought my winter coat was a little heavy, and she found a large padlock in one pocket, and two joints in another. And when asked to explain, I showed her how you could loop the middle finger through the hoop of the pad lock, and use it as brass knuckles.

when asked if that was necessary, I enumerated the groups who posed potential threats that I had to be prepared for.....and that contemplation was so stressful to her, we never got to the point of even discussing the other.

So, when I see June snoop, it's a real "un-huh, of course !!" moment for me.

Torgo
05-16-2021, 05:57 PM
She had nothing better to do than go through every closet, trunk, and drawer in the house.

She also loved going through the trash can in boys room.

stevea
05-16-2021, 06:29 PM
She slipped up and didn't find all the threatening letters from the record club and the modeling agency.

Not to mention not finding the baby alligator. Did Minerva the maid find that? I haven't seen the Capt. Jack episode in awhile.

Torgo
05-16-2021, 06:30 PM
She slipped up and didn't find all the threatening letters from the record club and the modeling agency.

Not to mention not finding the baby alligator. Did Minerva the maid find that? I haven't seen the Capt. Jack episode in awhile.

Amazing all of the times June is in their drawers putting clothes away and she didn't find those.


Yes, down in the basement, Ward thought she was drunk.

stevea
05-16-2021, 09:53 PM
And snooping in his diary--just thought of that one. "I turned the mattress and turned a page."

GentlemanJim
05-17-2021, 10:23 AM
Are you folks saying that your own mothers never snooped? I believe it's just part of the landscape.

When we are younger, our behavior is more blatant, less filtered. We're pretty easy to figure out. As we mature we become more discreet, and that feeds curiosity.

Similar to when Ward says "The boys are being awfully quiet, I wonder what they are up to?"

Cx
05-17-2021, 01:11 PM
Are you folks saying that your own mothers never snooped? I believe it's just part of the landscape.

When we are younger, our behavior is more blatant, less filtered. We're pretty easy to figure out. As we mature we become more discreet, and that feeds curiosity.

Similar to when Ward says "The boys are being awfully quiet, I wonder what they are up to?"

True enough, and I mostly agree. It's just that, as snooping goes, compared to my mother and my friend's mothers, June's was CSI forensic grade snooping.

GentlemanJim
05-17-2021, 02:01 PM
Perhaps, as a scripted show, there is usually a plot item needing to be discovered? I suspect my mom snooped at times and came up empty-handed, as well. Things that I never heard about.

Dude111
05-17-2021, 06:21 PM
I guess she thought she was being a good mom.......

Cx
05-17-2021, 06:53 PM
I guess she thought she was being a good mom.......

Hands-off mothers of "free range kids".

Helicopter mothers hyper doting on their kids.

Both think they're being good moms, but I'll take the former, thank you.

stevea
05-17-2021, 07:17 PM
Hands-off mothers of "free range kids".

To a certain degree, yes. But when they're real small they need to be civilized to get along in this world.

Cx
05-17-2021, 07:28 PM
To a certain degree, yes. But when they're real small they need to be civilized to get along in this world.

Well yeah, but I believe it's possible to instill into them social graces and civility without smothering them.

GentlemanJim
06-01-2021, 10:47 AM
However, if June wasn't such a snoop, she never would have found the wallet Wally left behind when taking his date to the expensive restaurant (Season 6 episode 1)

So, her nosiness saved the day for this episode

Dude111
06-01-2021, 05:01 PM
Ya that was g00d wasnt it?????

CosmicCharlie
06-02-2021, 09:42 AM
In Defense of June Cleaver
https://www.womenshistory.org/articles/defense-june-cleaver


In Defense of June Cleaver
June 13, 2013

Publicity photo of the Cleaver family from Leave it to Beaver. 1957.
Credit
Library of Congress

Barbara Billingsley’s June Cleaver on Leave It to Beaver (1957-1963) has long been remembered as the quintessential housewife who kept an immaculate home while managing to look immaculate herself in her trademark pearls and high heels. With reruns still playing in the United States and other countries around the world and with a remake of the series, The New Leave It to Beaver, in the 1980s, the perfect image of June has been seared into the minds of millions of people. While some like June Cleaver, others loathe her and give her a lot of flak for being the archetypal 1950s woman the second wave of the Women’s Movement was trying to liberate. If you search the internet, you can find all kinds of things from t-shirts to memes proclaiming people’s disdain for the June Cleaver lifestyle. Perhaps a closer reading of Leave It to Beaver, however, shows a side of June lost in people’s memories and amongst the criticism. Consider the four points below.

1. June’s pearls and high heels were necessary for the cinematography of the show

Barbara Billingsley had a deep hollow in her neck, which caused an unpleasant shadow to appear across her neck when filmed on the unsophisticated (compared to today’s technology) film and cameras of early television. It is similar to the problem the Leave It to Beaver crew had when trying to film outdoor scenes, as the sun reflected too strongly off dry pavement and caused glares on film. When watching the show, you can frequently see wet pavement whenever there are outdoor shots, as the darker wet ground provided better contrast on screen. Like wetting the pavement, Billingsley’s neck had to be covered up in order to prevent the shadow. June does not wear pearls in every scene of every episode, though – sometimes she is seen wearing shirts that cover the hollow of her neck, scarves, and other types of necklaces. Eventually pearls became her trademark in part because the clean, bright look of them translated well to film. As the seasons went on, June also took to wearing high heels, which she did not often do in the beginning of the show. As Billingsley explained, she wore flats when the show started, but as the boys grew as they aged over six seasons, she had to wear heels in order to look taller than them. June was, after all, still the parent and the producers wanted her to appear that way on screen. Billingsley also cleared up further rumors about June’s wardrobe, which many viewers believed looked quite expensive. In fact, according to Billingsley, her wardrobe came from Penney’s (now known as JCPenney) a lot of the time and some of it was also bought wholesale. Apparently, the most expensive items of clothing June owned were sweaters.

2. June was not just a housewife

True, June Cleaver was a housewife, but so were millions of women in the late 1950s and early 1960s when the show aired. While there are still women who have the luxury to choose to be housewives instead of working outside the home, housework is often looked down upon by others as a thing of the past that represents a time when women did not have as many freedoms as they do today. However, we have to remember to also view Leave It to Beaver as a thing of the past as well. It seems unfair to judge a show that is over 55 years old based on how some women might live life today.

Billingsley supposedly once said, “June Cleaver didn’t keep her house in perfect order, the prop man did it,” a reminder that June is not a real person who actually made a house look the way the Cleavers’ did. But just because June is a housewife does not mean there is nothing else to her character. She was hardly one dimensional. June is actually quite funny, sarcastic, and witty. She is compassionate toward her children, even when they get in trouble while “messing around.” She frequently forms a bridge between the children and her husband, Ward, who is a strong disciplinarian. Especially when they are younger, but throughout the entire series, the Beaver and Wally are often afraid of their father and June steps in to keep the house at peace. June is also smart, got good grades at the boarding school she attended, played on the boarding school’s basketball team, and has a college degree. Billingsley herself was a working, widowed mother of two who was raised by single mother. More reflective of Billingsley herself and of modern times, in The New Leave It to Beaver, Ward is dead (Hugh Beaumont, who played him, passed away in real life before the remake began), June takes up a seat on the Mayfield City Council, and she is also taking more college classes. On the original show, her character makes a conscious decision to be a housewife, as the Cleaver’s middle class standing afforded her that opportunity. How do we know June made a conscious decision to be a homemaker, though? Check out point 3.

3. June said this:

In one episode, Beaver, who is worried about his upcoming IQ test at school, goes to June for moral support. He tells June, “Girls have got it lucky…They don’t have to be smart. They don’t have to get jobs or anything. Alls they gotta do is get married.” He says women who do not get married could do a bunch of “dumb stuff” like “become dressmakers or cut people’s nails in the barber shop or take care of kids.” To this, June tells her son, “Well, Beaver, today girls can be doctors and lawyers too, you know. They’re just as ambitious as boys are.” With this statement, she is acknowledging she is aware that there are multiple options out there for her and that she has simply chosen the one that works best for her.

4. June regularly stands up to Ward

An act not often performed by her TV contemporaries. Whether it is Ward’s self boasting and June’s rejoinders along the lines of “but I still married you anyway,” or the way Ward wants to raise their children, June regularly has a say in household matters. She has opinions on money handling and other issues that impact the family. She tells Ward to leave his bad mood at the office when he comes home upset so he does not take it out on the boys. She hardly sits by and defers to her husband on every occasion. When she does defer to Ward in some cases of disciplining the children, she usually does so when it would make him seem like the meaner parent and her seem like the nicer parent. Ward and June sometimes shoot playful jabs at each other, like the “but I still married you anyway” one, and for every one Ward gets off on June, she has another for him. Throughout the course of the series, she got mad at the children and her husband, and while things worked themselves out by the end of each episode, not everything was perfect in the Cleaver household all the time.

MichaelMartinD
06-02-2021, 11:33 AM
That article makes some good points about June. Thanks for posting.

Dude111
06-02-2021, 02:48 PM
June was awesome!!!!!

Tankeryanker
06-02-2021, 03:22 PM
In Defense of June Cleaver
https://www.womenshistory.org/articles/defense-june-cleaver


In Defense of June Cleaver
June 13, 2013

Publicity photo of the Cleaver family from Leave it to Beaver. 1957.
Credit
Library of Congress

Barbara Billingsley’s June Cleaver on Leave It to Beaver (1957-1963) has long been remembered as the quintessential housewife who kept an immaculate home while managing to look immaculate herself in her trademark pearls and high heels. With reruns still playing in the United States and other countries around the world and with a remake of the series, The New Leave It to Beaver, in the 1980s, the perfect image of June has been seared into the minds of millions of people. While some like June Cleaver, others loathe her and give her a lot of flak for being the archetypal 1950s woman the second wave of the Women’s Movement was trying to liberate. If you search the internet, you can find all kinds of things from t-shirts to memes proclaiming people’s disdain for the June Cleaver lifestyle. Perhaps a closer reading of Leave It to Beaver, however, shows a side of June lost in people’s memories and amongst the criticism. Consider the four points below.

1. June’s pearls and high heels were necessary for the cinematography of the show

Barbara Billingsley had a deep hollow in her neck, which caused an unpleasant shadow to appear across her neck when filmed on the unsophisticated (compared to today’s technology) film and cameras of early television. It is similar to the problem the Leave It to Beaver crew had when trying to film outdoor scenes, as the sun reflected too strongly off dry pavement and caused glares on film. When watching the show, you can frequently see wet pavement whenever there are outdoor shots, as the darker wet ground provided better contrast on screen. Like wetting the pavement, Billingsley’s neck had to be covered up in order to prevent the shadow. June does not wear pearls in every scene of every episode, though – sometimes she is seen wearing shirts that cover the hollow of her neck, scarves, and other types of necklaces. Eventually pearls became her trademark in part because the clean, bright look of them translated well to film. As the seasons went on, June also took to wearing high heels, which she did not often do in the beginning of the show. As Billingsley explained, she wore flats when the show started, but as the boys grew as they aged over six seasons, she had to wear heels in order to look taller than them. June was, after all, still the parent and the producers wanted her to appear that way on screen. Billingsley also cleared up further rumors about June’s wardrobe, which many viewers believed looked quite expensive. In fact, according to Billingsley, her wardrobe came from Penney’s (now known as JCPenney) a lot of the time and some of it was also bought wholesale. Apparently, the most expensive items of clothing June owned were sweaters.

2. June was not just a housewife

True, June Cleaver was a housewife, but so were millions of women in the late 1950s and early 1960s when the show aired. While there are still women who have the luxury to choose to be housewives instead of working outside the home, housework is often looked down upon by others as a thing of the past that represents a time when women did not have as many freedoms as they do today. However, we have to remember to also view Leave It to Beaver as a thing of the past as well. It seems unfair to judge a show that is over 55 years old based on how some women might live life today.

Billingsley supposedly once said, “June Cleaver didn’t keep her house in perfect order, the prop man did it,” a reminder that June is not a real person who actually made a house look the way the Cleavers’ did. But just because June is a housewife does not mean there is nothing else to her character. She was hardly one dimensional. June is actually quite funny, sarcastic, and witty. She is compassionate toward her children, even when they get in trouble while “messing around.” She frequently forms a bridge between the children and her husband, Ward, who is a strong disciplinarian. Especially when they are younger, but throughout the entire series, the Beaver and Wally are often afraid of their father and June steps in to keep the house at peace. June is also smart, got good grades at the boarding school she attended, played on the boarding school’s basketball team, and has a college degree. Billingsley herself was a working, widowed mother of two who was raised by single mother. More reflective of Billingsley herself and of modern times, in The New Leave It to Beaver, Ward is dead (Hugh Beaumont, who played him, passed away in real life before the remake began), June takes up a seat on the Mayfield City Council, and she is also taking more college classes. On the original show, her character makes a conscious decision to be a housewife, as the Cleaver’s middle class standing afforded her that opportunity. How do we know June made a conscious decision to be a homemaker, though? Check out point 3.

3. June said this:

In one episode, Beaver, who is worried about his upcoming IQ test at school, goes to June for moral support. He tells June, “Girls have got it lucky…They don’t have to be smart. They don’t have to get jobs or anything. Alls they gotta do is get married.” He says women who do not get married could do a bunch of “dumb stuff” like “become dressmakers or cut people’s nails in the barber shop or take care of kids.” To this, June tells her son, “Well, Beaver, today girls can be doctors and lawyers too, you know. They’re just as ambitious as boys are.” With this statement, she is acknowledging she is aware that there are multiple options out there for her and that she has simply chosen the one that works best for her.

4. June regularly stands up to Ward

An act not often performed by her TV contemporaries. Whether it is Ward’s self boasting and June’s rejoinders along the lines of “but I still married you anyway,” or the way Ward wants to raise their children, June regularly has a say in household matters. She has opinions on money handling and other issues that impact the family. She tells Ward to leave his bad mood at the office when he comes home upset so he does not take it out on the boys. She hardly sits by and defers to her husband on every occasion. When she does defer to Ward in some cases of disciplining the children, she usually does so when it would make him seem like the meaner parent and her seem like the nicer parent. Ward and June sometimes shoot playful jabs at each other, like the “but I still married you anyway” one, and for every one Ward gets off on June, she has another for him. Throughout the course of the series, she got mad at the children and her husband, and while things worked themselves out by the end of each episode, not everything was perfect in the Cleaver household all the time.
and yet men are still stuck without choices. When do men get to be liberated?

CosmicCharlie
06-02-2021, 03:37 PM
and yet men are still stuck without choices. When do men get to be liberated?

Felix Unger type ? lol

GentlemanJim
06-02-2021, 04:13 PM
and yet men are still stuck without choices. When do men get to be liberated?

We get to make choices, we just have to be covert with the results.

CosmicCharlie
09-30-2021, 07:41 PM
From Beaver's Diary Episode ...

compilationstation
10-04-2021, 04:17 PM
Was she really all that snoopy? Or are you guys just giving June the business?

stevea
10-04-2021, 08:22 PM
Eddie gave them both the business at the end of Chuckie's Shoes. "I try to make allowances for the way people are." He exits, and then they begin talking about how he artfully insulted them.

But turning the mattress and turning a few pages in Beaver's diary is just one example. There were a few times she found written items in the boys' trash can. Such as the fake letter Wally wrote to Kitty Bannerman.

CosmicCharlie
10-19-2021, 07:09 PM
Another :)

compilationstation
10-19-2021, 07:16 PM
Compared to parents today, I think the Cleavers were actually pretty laid back.

stevea
10-20-2021, 08:37 AM
Compared to parents today, I think the Cleavers were actually pretty laid back.

You probably wouldn't see them picking a fight with the ump at a little league game.

CosmicCharlie
10-22-2021, 09:29 PM
By season 5 the writers were well aware that June was a Snooper - as seen here 5/13 Beaver's 1st Date - Ward Just Says it right out !

stevea
10-22-2021, 11:52 PM
She saw Mrs. Ashby out there, critiquing the Cleaver lawn.