https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/arrest-made-in-1982-deaths-of-two-young-women-near-breckenridge

Looks like a suspect who hadn’t been mentioned. Have to think that DNA and genealogical research are involved.

Here’s another article (https://www.9news.com/amp/article/news/crime/colorado-cold-case-arrest-1982-breckenridge-murders/73-79494d00-0fc4-42fe-9272-364d459d6a8c?__twitter_impression=true) and it mentions the likely DNA research.

I never thought we’d see an arrest. This is awesome and hopefully it leads to a conviction.

Great news. Never thought this one would get solved.

I'm so happy to read this! 39 years and they got him.

I can't help but grin to think of other killers/violent criminals shaking in their boots hearing about these recent solves. Knowing it's only a matter of time before they might get caught as well.

I'm sure Jeff has better things to do than read comments on this website, but if you ever happen to see this, buddy, I hope a bit of your heart is at peace. Even prior to DNA, I never doubted you for a minute. I'm glad you have the chance to see this happen in your lifetime.

this is great news. We’ve been waiting for this for a long time. I listened to a few podcasts a couple of nights ago.

Great to see some resolution here!

This is great news. I'm glad the guy isn't dead and will have to face punishment for what he did.

Holy crap!!! I was hoping genetic genealogy would finally solve this case. You had the blood on Bobbie's mitten. (We knew it belonged to a male and that it wasn't Jeff's.)

That huge key ring Jeff gave Bobbie is what she used defend herself with that night she was killed. It is believed she made him bleed so bad that he may have a scar.

This is truly amazing news. I can't wait until more info becomes available.

I'm sure Jeff has better things to do than read comments on this website, but if you ever happen to see this, buddy, I hope a bit of your heart is at peace. Even prior to DNA, I never doubted you for a minute. I'm glad you have the chance to see this happen in your lifetime.

Amen. Reading books and watching specials that mention everything Jeff had to endure will make your head spin.

Failed attempts at reporting her missing - one officer even suggesting to him to get over it because she probably ran off with another man. Police still refusing to get involved even after Jeff returned to the police saying they found Bobbie's backpack covered with blood. The harassment by police toward Jeff in the years after the murders, tracking down every woman he was ever seen talking to and telling them that he was a wife killer. Residents refusing to let him in their homes, which completely destroyed his appliance business. His own brother (who liked him enough to follow him to Colorado) turning on him immediately and accusing him of the murders - his only "evidence" being that he once saw Jeff and Bobbie bicker over cold pizza. A whack-job sister-in-law who claimed a spirit came to her in her sleep to tell him Jeff killed his wife.

It seems the majority of that stuff stopped when DNA cleared Jeff. But then in 2019, the case was featured on Paula Zahn and Bobbie's sister said she didn't think Bobbie was happy in her marriage. She offered nothing to back up why she felt that way other than saying, "She was my sister and she couldn't fake it with me."

It's frustrating to hear that crapping all over Jeff hasn't completely stopped. I would love to hear a statement from him. If anyone deserves any semblance of closure, it's him.

Amen. Reading books and watching specials that mention everything Jeff had to endure will make your head spin.

Failed attempts at reporting her missing - one officer even suggesting to him to get over it because she probably ran off with another man. Police still refusing to get involved even after Jeff returned to the police saying they found Bobbie's backpack covered with blood. The harassment by police toward Jeff in the years after the murders, tracking down every woman he was ever seen talking to and telling them that he was a wife killer. Residents refusing to let him in their homes, which completely destroyed his appliance business. His own brother (who liked him enough to follow him to Colorado) turning on him immediately and accusing him of the murders - his only "evidence" being that he once saw Jeff and Bobbie bicker over cold pizza. A whack-job sister-in-law who claimed a spirit came to her in her sleep to tell him Jeff killed his wife.

It seems the majority of that stuff stopped when DNA cleared Jeff. But then in 2019, the case was featured on Paula Zahn and Bobbie's sister said she didn't think Bobbie was happy in her marriage. She offered nothing to back up why she felt that way other than saying, "She was my sister and she couldn't fake it with me."

It's frustrating to hear that crapping all over Jeff hasn't completely stopped. I would love to hear a statement from him. If anyone deserves any semblance of closure, it's him.
I’m glad you and GG both posted this. For me this brings to light another unsung story where Jeff was too a victim. He lost his wife, and on top of that was unfairly abused because he was the only suspect for a long while. Hopefully this news brings him some vindication. No one has a perfect marriage. I feel there are some similarities with the Amy bechtel case where law enforcement tried to railroad Steve Bechtel. And then Amy’s family and some in the community turned on Steve because it was the convenient thing to do.

Really curious to learn more information about the background of Alan Lee Phillips. I find it hard to imagine that someone brazen enough to kill two separate women at separate times on the same night has not committed any more murders in his lifetime.

WOW! Never in a million years did I expect this! I gotta look back into this case. Does anyone know if this segment is online "somewhere?"

WOW! Never in a million years did I expect this! I gotta look back into this case. Does anyone know if this segment is online "somewhere?"

I looked, couldn't find it. Not even on the official UM Filmrise channel.

https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/6c2234f/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1280x720+0+0/resize/1280x720!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fewscripps-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F20%2Fe6%2F549a68d140debba9014f43124b91%2Falan-lee-phillips-mugshot.png

Photos provided by Colorado authorities show Alan Lee Phillips as a younger man (left) and in the mug shot following his arrest in connection with the alleged murders of two young women outside of Breckenridge in 1982.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/39-years-of-hell-families-get-closer-to-closure-after-arrest-in-murders-of-young-colorado-women

I looked, couldn't find it. Not even on the official UM Filmrise channel.
You won't. It was one of the missing segments.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/39-years-of-hell-families-get-closer-to-closure-after-arrest-in-murders-of-young-colorado-women

Wow. A quote from Bobbie's daughter, Jackie. This is a person I never knew even existed until I read 'Murderers Among Us.' For those who didn't know, Bobbie became a young mother at 18. (She actually missed her high school graduation because she was giving birth to a daughter she named Jackie.) She married her boyfriend but with the two of them being so young, the marriage only lasted two years. After they divorced, Jackie was raised by the father and his family. A few years later, Bobbie met Jeff. They eventually married and moved to Colorado. This is the only time I have ever heard any kind of statement from Jackie....

"I, the daughter of Bobbi Jo Oberholtzer, would like to thank both Charlie McCormick and Richard Eaton for never giving up on solving my mom’s case. When I look into my child’s blue eyes, which are truly beautiful like my mom’s, I see her. I have lived with a monster in my mind since I was 11 years old, and now I can rest knowing justice will be served." — Jackie Vucas Walker, daughter of Bobbi Jo

"From the bottom of my heart, I want to thank everybody who has been involved in the investigation of this case. It has been a mind-boggling affair. We finally have closure after 39 years. I thank you all. I’m just in shock that this case has finally been solved and come to an end. Also thanks to all the TV people with Unsolved Mysteries, Discovery Channel and Paula Zahn. Thank you all for your efforts to help bring us closure." — Eileen Franklin, mother of Annette Schnee

"I pray that the arrest of Alan Phillips for the murder of my wife Bobbi Jo and Annette Schnee will finally, after all these decades, bring closure and peace to this hideous nightmare for myself, along with all the lives he has horribly affected by his actions. I cannot thank enough all who never gave up the search for the truth. They are without doubt extremely dedicated and extraordinary individuals. Philiips is finally in the hands of the judicial system. May justice be served." — Jeff “Obie” Oberholtzer, husband of Bobbi Jo.

Great news that this case has been solved.

Why was this segment not included in the FilmRise episodes? Could this update change that?

Great news that this case has been solved.

Why was this segment not included in the FilmRise episodes? Could this update change that?

Idk for some reason I thought I remember someone saying that it was included in the farina episodes but not the RS ones. But I haven’t seen either segment in a very long time.

Really curious to learn more information about the background of Alan Lee Phillips. I find it hard to imagine that someone brazen enough to kill two separate women at separate times on the same night has not committed any more murders in his lifetime.

I couldn't agree more. I look forward to hearing a detailed profile on this guy.

Like you said, it was extremely brazen to kidnap, sexually assault and murder two women within hours of each other. But you also have to take into account what a bitterly cold night that was. Temperatures hovered around zero and the wind chill reached around 30 below. It was mentioned in the book, 'Monster' that hypothermia killed Bobbie before the bullet could. Extreme weather conditions was not going to stop this guy from doing the unthinkable TWICE!

I find it hard to believe that this guy killed twice then never killed again.

Edited to Add: From the press conference in Park County yesterday...

"According to McGraw and Snelling, Phillips was a semi-retired auto mechanic who has lived in various parts of Clear Creek much of his life. Phillips has had some traffic violations, but didn't have any major arrests or criminal history since 1982, McGraw and Snelling said."

This might be one of those instances where a person commits a horrific murder/murders and then goes on for decades to live a criminal free life, much like was the case with Lisa Ziegert.

Wow, this is incredible.

One of the creepier cases from the show. Glad they caught this monster.

https://www.insideedition.com/70-year-old-man-arrested-in-the-1982-killings-of-colorado-hitchhikers-annette-schnee-and-bobbi-jo?cid=trueAnthem&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

I honestly cannot believe this case has been solved! So crazy, I would always reach out to the Detective in this case to see of any updates, and as recently as January, there was nothing. So amazing that the DNA was intact enough to do this...Thank God for these girls fighting this guy to get that valuable evidence! It's funny, I always find it too "easy" to blame these on a serial killer or drug dealer, and I think many suspects in these cases are "normal" people going about their daily lives. I cannot wait until we hear the whole story and what went down and if he does talk, if he reveals his interactions with the girls, what all happened, etc.. I am still in shock that this is solved, honestly never thought I would see this any time soon. I honestly think, without DNA, there would have been no way to ever pin it on this guy.

I wonder if we'll hear from Jeff Oberholtzer? Poor guy, his wife being murdered and being the prime suspect for a decade. Glad that Bobbie and Annette's families have some sense of closure.

https://www.insideedition.com/70-year-old-man-arrested-in-the-1982-killings-of-colorado-hitchhikers-annette-schnee-and-bobbi-jo?cid=trueAnthem&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

If for no other reason, thank God for clearing Bobbi's husband.:)

I was young when the case originally aired on UM.

Maybe a few of you shared the same childhood instincts as I had which seem to change with the aging process. As a kid, my feelings about certain people could be quite strong one way or another just by seeing them and hearing them talk for a short time.

I vividly recall Jeff being interviewed for UM and immediately having the reaction of, "This is a nice man. He did nothing wrong! Why are they treating him this way?". It might have been one of the strongest of such reactions I ever had about anyone as a kid, and certainly the one that remains the most memorable from the show.

I honestly cannot believe this case has been solved! So crazy, I would always reach out to the Detective in this case to see of any updates, and as recently as January, there was nothing. So amazing that the DNA was intact enough to do this...Thank God for these girls fighting this guy to get that valuable evidence! It's funny, I always find it too "easy" to blame these on a serial killer or drug dealer, and I think many suspects in these cases are "normal" people going about their daily lives. I cannot wait until we hear the whole story and what went down and if he does talk, if he reveals his interactions with the girls, what all happened, etc.. I am still in shock that this is solved, honestly never thought I would see this any time soon. I honestly think, without DNA, there would have been no way to ever pin it on this guy.

These are my feelings exactly. It's probably going to be another long wait to finally get the information that will connect the dots. Like when exactly did Bobbie and Annette feel as though they were in danger. Did he intend to do them harm the moment he picked them up? Did the guy in any way know Jeff Oberholtzer as has been speculated in the past?

What we do know so far is that he never moved that far away from the area. Dumont is only 50 miles from Breckenridge. He has three grown children with his ex-wife. He is a retired mechanic. And aside from a few minor traffic violations, has a completely spotless criminal record since the murders.

Thank goodness for genetic genealogy. Once the Jay Cook and Tanya Van Cuylenborg case was solved two years ago I was given renewed hope for this case. My immediate thought was do a genealogy test from the blood on Bobbie's mitten and we've got the scumbag.

I was young when the case originally aired on UM.

Maybe a few of you shared the same childhood instincts as I had which seem to change with the aging process. As a kid, my feelings about certain people could be quite strong one way or another just by seeing them and hearing them talk for a short time.

I vividly recall Jeff being interviewed for UM and immediately having the reaction of, "This is a nice man. He did nothing wrong! Why are they treating him this way?". It might have been one of the strongest of such reactions I ever had about anyone as a kid, and certainly the one that remains the most memorable from the show.

I too remember watching this segment when it originally aired. I was in 5th grade and it has haunted me ever since. It's easily in my top 5 scariest segments of all time. From beginning to end, there isn't a single point where you don't feel at least a little uneasy. I'm sure what haunts the families the most is imagining the fear both Bobbie and Annette must have felt; being completely alone out in the wilderness on a bitter cold night with nobody even remotely close to hear your screams for help. It's a terrifying concept.

I think it's probably asking too much for people to apologize to Jeff for the hell they put him through. But I think the weight of knowing this horrible man is finally captured is probably more comforting to him than any apology he could get from a local, or his own brother.

These are my feelings exactly. It's probably going to be another long wait to finally get the information that will connect the dots. Like when exactly did Bobbie and Annette feel as though they were in danger. Did he intend to do them harm the moment he picked them up? Did the guy in any way know Jeff Oberholtzer as has been speculated in the past?

What we do know so far is that he never moved that far away from the area. Dumont is only 50 miles from Breckenridge. He has three grown children with his ex-wife. He is a retired mechanic. And aside from a few minor traffic violations, has a completely spotless criminal record since the murders.

Thank goodness for genetic genealogy. Once the Jay Cook and Tanya Van Cuylenborg case was solved two years ago I was given renewed hope for this case. My immediate thought was do a genealogy test from the blood on Bobbie's mitten and we've got the scumbag.



I too remember watching this segment when it originally aired. I was in 5th grade and it has haunted me ever since. It's easily in my top 5 scariest segments of all time. From beginning to end, there isn't a single point where you don't feel at least a little uneasy. I'm sure what haunts the families the most is imagining the fear both Bobbie and Annette must have felt; being completely alone out in the wilderness on a bitter cold night with nobody even remotely close to hear your screams for help. It's a terrifying concept.

I think it's probably asking too much for people to apologize to Jeff for the hell they put him through. But I think the weight of knowing this horrible man is finally captured is probably more comforting to him than any apology he could get from a local, or his own brother.

I can’t recall the first time I saw the segment, but I was definitely spooked.

I think it’s highly likely that the guy is a repeat offender for assaulting women. I’m sure he probably spooked other women as well. I heard in the press conference that they were asking for tips from people who recognize his younger profile. I’m sure more will come out, but hopefully the families wishes are protected regarding their lost loved ones.

I'm sure Jeff has better things to do than read comments on this website, but if you ever happen to see this, buddy, I hope a bit of your heart is at peace. Even prior to DNA, I never doubted you for a minute. I'm glad you have the chance to see this happen in your lifetime.

Mind blown, again, that another very old case has been solved. And ibid Gelatinous Goo's comments. I wonder what case will be solved next?

I am screaming. With joy.

I honestly never imagined this one would ever be solved. I love being wrong about stuff like this.

I knew the Bishop thread would be popping but never imagined this. Absolutely outstanding news.

Just found an interesting update about Alan Phillips, apparently he got stuck in the snow and had to be rescued on the same night of the murders!

A few hours after Bobbie and Annette disappeared, he was driving his pickup truck on Guanella Pass on January 6, 1982 when it got stuck in the snow in the middle of the blizzard. In a last ditch effore, he began flashing his headlights in an S.O.S. signal, hoping that someone would see it. His truck happened to be pointing upwards because it was on an incline. At that same time, a plane was flying over the area and the Jefferson County sheriff, who was on the flight, recognized the S.O.S. and told the pilots, who radioed to the ground. He was found by a search party about twenty minutes later.

It's pretty crazy to think that this guy just (allegedly) killed two women and then gets stuck and needs rescued the same night. He was also very lucky to be rescued that night.

https://www.9news.com/video/news/crime/colorado-cold-case-how-a-mountain-rescue-is-tied-to-murder/73-f159b81d-8316-4dbf-abf7-5c3c3b3ec87

EDIT: Just found an article that had a bit more info, along with an interview with the guy that found Phillips that night. He said Phillips had a bruise on his face. Phillips said he got out to go the bathroom and when he went back to the truck he got hit with some snow and then hit his face against the truck.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/double-murder-mountain-rescue-connection/73-6a464873-84da-4c1f-a64e-41cbc2f98282

Wow. How ironic that a man who had just terrorized, assaulted and shot two women to death out in the wilderness starts driving home, ends up stuck in a snow bank and is somehow miraculously saved from freezing to death only because an airplane flying overhead had fluke like timing.

The horrible weather conditions the night of the murders have been pointed out repeatedly through TV and books. You had to be nuts to even try driving out on those roads so late that night. How is it nobody thought to question this man who was out on this bitter cold night, not far from the crime scenes within hours of both Bobbie and Annette going missing? To me, this is something that should NOT have taken 39 years to uncover.

I really look forward to getting more information down the road.

According to Montoya, Phillips had a sizable bruise on one side of his face. He said Phillips explained that he had gotten out of his truck at one point to go to the bathroom and, while trying to get back in, was blinded by the snow and slammed headfirst into the corner of the truck.

Nice lie. It was said in the book, 'Monster,' that despite Bobbie's small and petite size, she'd fight like a banshee if cornered. I'm glad she was able to fight back for as much as she could.

Nice lie. It was said in the book, 'Monster,' that despite Bobbie's small and petite size, she'd fight like a banshee if corned. I'm glad she was able to fight back for as much as she could.

I agree, she might have even survived had she not ventured so far out in the snow.

I finally signed up for newspapers website and when looking through, I found something interesting. Doesn't have to actually do with this case, but what I did find, is that Annette actually had a brother, Dennis, who passed away tragically in 1978 at the age of 21 as well. Just thought it was very odd. Sorry if this was posted before.

A Park County judge has ordered that Alan Phillips stand trial for allegedly killing two young women last seen hitchhiking near Breckenridge in 1982. The ruling followed a two-day preliminary hearing this week.

Phillips, 70, was arrested in February of this year on the following charges:

Kidnapping
Assault with a deadly weapon
Murder after deliberation

https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/park-county-cold-case-murders/73-8dff6903-eae6-4071-8cdf-0c83bac319a1

Phillips' lawyers tried to cast doubt on the reliability of the DNA evidence by blaming Jeff Oberholtzer. I don't know how you say, 'ignore the fact that my client's blood is on one of the victim's mitten,' but whatever.

For the past year, I have been constantly checking for updates on Phillips and when a possible court date will finally be scheduled but there is never anything posted. It's now been a year and 3 months since his arrest and I'm eagerly ready for this thing to start. This case was just one of a handful of UM cases that truly haunted me like no other since I was child. I want the families and loved ones to finally see justice served in court. (In particular for Jeff Oberholtzer and Annette's mother who is now 88 years old.)

If you go on YouTube or to a number of podcasts online, you'll see/hear several different people retelling the story of Alan Phillip's rescue from Guanella Pass the night of the murders. Granted, the story on it's own is pretty amazing. But knowing what he did earlier that night and the severity of what he did does not tide me over until we can finally get more information. All it does it does is remind me that a horrible killer avoided freezing to death in a snow ditch because a plane flying overheard had fluke like timing and a passenger noticed his flash light destress signal. It's sad that karma didn't catch him and he got to go on living his normal life for the next 39 years. He should have froze to death.

Still impatiently waiting for news of a court date.

Edited to add: The only news we found out this year was posted back in January on the 40th anniversary of the murders. Authorities stated they were seeking assistance trying to locate William Perron. Perron was a young boy in 1982 (somewhere between the ages of 10-14) who collected a critical piece of evidence a couple days after the murders just 100 yards from where Bobbie's body was found, and delivered it to sheriff's deputies. He would be in his 50's today.

https://www.theflume.com/free_content/article_16e7e1f8-6f0b-11ec-890c-b3dbb424a979.html

What this evidence is, they're not saying. But I'm obviously curious to find out. Nowhere in the books I read about this case mentioned Willam Perron.

Finally convicted!

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/09/16/alan-phillips-1982-cold-case-murder-conviction/

Finally convicted!

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/09/16/alan-phillips-1982-cold-case-murder-conviction/

Wonderful. I feared for many years that this killer would get away. Hopefully the family and loved ones of both women can have some form of closure.

On a side note, I've been searching online for a year and half about any news involving a trial. They released NOTHING. I figured it would get much more publicity than it did.

Vindication and justice for Jeff Oberholtzer as well as both of the victims families and friends.

Vindication and justice for Jeff Oberholtzer as well as both of the victims families and friends.

Yes, very long overdue.

His sentence will be handed down in November, where hopefully he or his lawyer will release some kind of statement. I still have questions that I'd like to get answered.

If it wasn't for Bobbie fighting back and stabbing him with her key ring, he never would have bled over her mitten while trying to restrain her and he most likely never would have been caught. He was never on any of the detective's radar for 39 years. And (for reasons I still can't understand) was never looked at when he was rescued from that snowbank within hours of the murders. There were other shady characters around Breckenridge in 1982 that would have made much more sense on paper...but none of their DNA matched.

Basically, I want to know why he did it and how he was capable of just going back to his wife and kids as if nothing ever happened, despite kidnapping, assaulting, terrorizing and murdering two young women who never did a thing to him. Is it like a light switch in his head that he can just turn off and go about his normal life for 40 years? Maybe only a psychologist can answer that but I still wonder. The family and friends of both Annette and Bobbie deserve these answers more than anything.

Finally convicted!

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/09/16/alan-phillips-1982-cold-case-murder-conviction/

Very satisfying to see. It's a shame it took four decades, but way better than never getting solved.


Basically, I want to know why he did it and how he was capable of just going back to his wife and kids as if nothing ever happened, despite kidnapping, assaulting, terrorizing and murdering two young women who never did a thing to him. Is it like a light switch in his head that he can just turn off and go about his normal life for 40 years? Maybe only a psychologist can answer that but I still wonder. The family and friends of both Annette and Bobbie deserve these answers more than anything.

I wonder the same thing, and I hope we'll get some kind of statement or something from the guy (though I doubt it). It's wild how many notable killers were basically seen as just great family men who wouldn't harm a fly before their true natures were revealed (BTK, Gary Ridgeway, etc.).

I wonder the same thing, and I hope we'll get some kind of statement or something from the guy (though I doubt it). It's wild how many notable killers were basically seen as just great family men who wouldn't harm a fly before their true natures were revealed (BTK, Gary Ridgeway, etc.).

I have always been able to understand this about Ridgeway because he was very soft spoken and unassuming. You'd think he was a wallflower. Perfect personality targeting the ideal demographic of victims for this to continue for as long as it did.

It really surprises me that so many people felt the same way about Rader, though. He gives off exceptionally strange vibes just watching the old court footage on TV. If I knew the guy, I can't imagine I'd ever describe him as "normal" or be at all surprised if he got into any sort of trouble with the law. While I'm sure I wouldn't have been able to guess at the excesses of disgustingness that he committed, I guarantee you I'd have kept my distance from him if I was in close proximity. His non-murderous personality traits are enough of a turn-off!

Conversely, I think I'd be completely shocked if Ridgeway was my co-worker and I was told what he did. Again, just basing this off of all the footage; maybe actually knowing him would provide better clues.

I have always been able to understand this about Ridgeway because he was very soft spoken and unassuming. You'd think he was a wallflower. Perfect personality targeting the ideal demographic of victims for this to continue for as long as it did.

It really surprises me that so many people felt the same way about Rader, though. He gives off exceptionally strange vibes just watching the old court footage on TV. If I knew the guy, I can't imagine I'd ever describe him as "normal" or be at all surprised if he got into any sort of trouble with the law. While I'm sure I wouldn't have been able to guess at the excesses of disgustingness that he committed, I guarantee you I'd have kept my distance from him if I was in close proximity. His non-murderous personality traits are enough of a turn-off!

Conversely, I think I'd be completely shocked if Ridgeway was my co-worker and I was told what he did. Again, just basing this off of all the footage; maybe actually knowing him would provide better clues.

I've seen interviews with Gary Rideway's wife (whom he was married to at the time of the arrest). And she talked about how he was a wonderful husband and basically how they had a great marriage. It was devastating for her to find out what he really was.

For BTK, I think I was remembering his family's reaction most. His daughter felt she had a great upbringing with a normal family with no outward signs anything was wrong. He also was elected President of his church's council, so I'm assuming the people in his congregation also felt he seemed pretty decent. But I agree with you the footage of him makes me think "how did they not know?" I'm sure that's bias from my knowledge of knowing he was guilty, though, just like how I always want to say "How could anyone think THAT person was normal?" when I see pictures of Ted Bundy.

I've seen interviews with Gary Rideway's wife (whom he was married to at the time of the arrest). And she talked about how he was a wonderful husband and basically how they had a great marriage. It was devastating for her to find out what he really was.

For BTK, I think I was remembering his family's reaction most. His daughter felt she had a great upbringing with a normal family with no outward signs anything was wrong. He also was elected President of his church's council, so I'm assuming the people in his congregation also felt he seemed pretty decent. But I agree with you the footage of him makes me think "how did they not know?" I'm sure that's bias from my knowledge of knowing he was guilty, though, just like how I always want to say "How could anyone think THAT person was normal?" when I see pictures of Ted Bundy.

Those are very good points to consider. We're looking at this from the vantage point of knowing the full story. Bias is built in to any reaction.

Bundy does not look at all trustworthy, does he? I have to believe that would have been my reaction to meeting him before knowing of his atrocities. That and a voice inside my head saying, "Don't look at the unibrow! Eyes...OFF...the unibrow!"

In 1982 the bodies of Annette Schnee and Bobbie Jo Oberholtzer were found outside a luxe ski town. A man rescued from a snowdrift the night of the murders turned out to be their killer. "48 Hours" contributor Natalie Morales reports Saturday, November 19 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.

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In 1982 the bodies of Annette Schnee and Bobbie Jo Oberholtzer were found outside a luxe ski town. A man rescued from a snowdrift the night of the murders turned out to be their killer. "48 Hours" contributor Natalie Morales reports Saturday, November 19 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.

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Thank you for posting this. I look forward to watching it. I wonder if they’re going to at all address why Phillips rescue from the snowbank that very night never made investigators think, “hmm. Could he be the guy?”

This still bugs be that it took 39 years to connect the rescue with the murders.

So glad this one was solved as it took a rapist and killer off the street and cleared the name of an innocent man

The '48 hours' episode was good and contained some new facts to this case that has, thankfully, finally concluded.

*As far as a criminal record, it was discovered that Alan Phillips was arrested for assault and battery in 1973. In July of that year, Phillips picked up a hitchhiker (a woman) in Breckenridge. The woman needed a ride to Fairplay. Phillips drove her out to an empty cabin on the side of the road, forced her out of the car, picked a rock up off the ground and assaulted her several times with it. The woman eventually was able to convince Phillips to let her go and he agreed. She went straight to the police. He signed a confession letter and stated, "I don't know why I did this." He was sentenced to 6 months in prison for the ordeal.

*Phillips never left the state of Colorado. He married three times, had a daughter of his own and two stepchildren. He worked in a mine before becoming a mechanic. He was described as a hermit who rarely ever left his home.

*Pictures of Alan Phillips being arrested were shown. The police investigator, Wendy Kipple (who was interviewed) said the look on his face while he was being handcuffed was extremely satisfying. He clearly never expected this to happen.

*In 2005, a call was made to the police that named Alan Phillips as the killer of both Bobbie and Annette. But details were scarce and the caller didn't stay on the line very long. Nothing was done and it's never mentioned whether he was looked into at all before the DNA match was done.

*Speaking of DNA, Wendy Kipple was asked what were the odds that it could have been someone else after the DNA hit. She responded the blood taken from Bobbie's glove was 1 in 17 quadrillion which is 2,275,000 times the population of the Earth.

*Out of all the interviews I've ever seen with Jeff Oberholtzer, this was the most emotional I've ever seen him. He made the comment that even though he was ruled out as a suspect long ago, it's still an incredible weight off his shoulders knowing that the killer is finally behind bars.

*Jeff still talks so lovingly about Bobbie. There were many pictures shown of them together. Jeff described the two of them as carefree hippies.

*Bobbie's sister was interviewed and she talked about what an amazing sister Bobbie was and how much she misses her. I was kind of hoping she would say something nice about Jeff. When she was interviewed by Paula Zahn back in 2019, she mentioned she thought her sister was unhappy in her marriage and "she couldn't fake it with me." Those comments kind of turned me off because it just seems to be a constant thing to crap all over Jeff even though he's been to hell and back and cleared as a suspect. But she never mentioned him. Annette's sisters, on the other hand, did express sympathy for Jeff and everything he's been through.

*Dave Montoya, the man who rescued Phillips from freezing to death in a snowbank the night of the murders actually knew him. The two men had once worked together in the mine. Montoya took Natalie Morales to the spot he had picked Phillips up 40 years ago. He mentioned that had he known what Phillips had just done, he would have left him out there to freeze. Both Montoya and Annette's sister Cindy commented about how unfair it was that he was somehow shown mercy and got to go on living his regular life for another 4 decades.

*When the case went to trial back in August, Phillips' legal team really had nothing to work with. So they blamed everything on Jeff Oberholtzer and were relentless on him day after day. They even cited the incident that was brought up in the book, 'Murderers Among Us,' where a few days before the murders, Bobbie and Jeff bickered over cold pizza...so clearly murder was the next step. :rolleyes:

*Charlie McCormick said he believes there are other victims of Phillips out there. I agree with him. Just the fact that the high he got over killing Annette was so big that he drove back into town to look for a second victim? To me that doesn't sound like someone who just stopped attacking women.

*The episode ended with some touching footage of Annette's brother and two sisters going to the cross that was placed at the spot where Bobbie's body was found. They thanked Bobbie for how hard she fought back against Phillips, making him bleed, otherwise he most likely never would have been arrested. They then travel to the cross at the location where Annette's body was found. They tell their sister how much they love her and that her killer is finally behind bars.

I really enjoyed the interview with Jeff. After all he has been put through, he still seems like the kindest person you'd ever hope to meet. If anyone deserved this outcome, it's him.

The '48 hours' episode was good and contained some new facts to this case that has, thankfully, finally concluded.

*As far as a criminal record, it was discovered that Alan Phillips was arrested for assault and battery in 1973. In July of that year, Phillips picked up a hitchhiker (a woman) in Breckenridge. The woman needed a ride to Fairplay. Phillips drove her out to an empty cabin on the side of the road, forced her out of the car, picked a rock up off the ground and assaulted her several times with it. The woman eventually was able to convince Phillips to let her go and he agreed. She went straight to the police. He signed a confession letter and stated, "I don't know why I did this." He was sentenced to 6 months in prison for the ordeal.

*Phillips never left the state of Colorado. He married three times, had a daughter of his own and two stepchildren. He worked in a mine before becoming a mechanic. He was described as a hermit who rarely ever left his home.

*Pictures of Alan Phillips being arrested were shown. The police investigator, Wendy Kipple (who was interviewed) said the look on his face while he was being handcuffed was extremely satisfying. He clearly never expected this to happen.

*In 2005, a call was made to the police that named Alan Phillips as the killer of both Bobbie and Annette. But details were scarce and the caller didn't stay on the line very long. Nothing was done and it's never mentioned whether he was looked into at all before the DNA match was done.

*Speaking of DNA, Wendy Kipple was asked what were the odds that it could have been someone else after the DNA hit. She responded the blood taken from Bobbie's glove was 1 in 17 quadrillion which is 2,275,000 times the population of the Earth.

*Out of all the interviews I've ever seen with Jeff Oberholtzer, this was the most emotional I've ever seen him. He made the comment that even though he was ruled out as a suspect long ago, it's still an incredible weight off his shoulders knowing that the killer is finally behind bars.

*Jeff still talks so lovingly about Bobbie. There were many pictures shown of them together. Jeff described the two of them as carefree hippies.

*Bobbie's sister was interviewed and she talked about what an amazing sister Bobbie was and how much she misses her. I was kind of hoping she would say something nice about Jeff. When she was interviewed by Paula Zahn back in 2019, she mentioned she thought her sister was unhappy in her marriage and "she couldn't fake it with me." Those comments kind of turned me off because it just seems to be a constant thing to crap all over Jeff even though he's been to hell and back and cleared as a suspect. But she never mentioned him. Annette's sisters, on the other hand, did express sympathy for Jeff and everything he's been through.

*Dave Montoya, the man who rescued Phillips from freezing to death in a snowbank the night of the murders actually knew him. The two men had once worked together in the mine. Montoya took Natalie Morales to the spot he had picked Phillips up 40 years ago. He mentioned that had he known what Phillips had just done, he would have left him out there to freeze. Both Montoya and Annette's sister Cindy commented about how unfair it was that he was somehow shown mercy and got to go on living his regular life for another 4 decades.

*When the case went to trial back in August, Phillips' legal team really had nothing to work with. So they blamed everything on Jeff Oberholtzer and were relentless on him day after day. They even cited the incident that was brought up in the book, 'Murderers Among Us,' where a few days before the murders, Bobbie and Jeff bickered over cold pizza...so clearly murder was the next step. :rolleyes:

*Charlie McCormick said he believes there are other victims of Phillips out there. I agree with him. Just the fact that the high he got over killing Annette was so big that he drove back into town to look for a second victim? To me that doesn't sound like someone who just stopped attacking women.

*The episode ended with some touching footage of Annette's brother and two sisters going to the cross that was placed at the spot where Bobbie's body was found. They thanked Bobbie for how hard she fought back against Phillips, making him bleed, otherwise he most likely never would have been arrested. They then travel to the cross at the location where Annette's body was found. They tell their sister how much they love her and that her killer is finally behind bars.

Love 48 Hours, it certainly fills the true crime gap that the new Unsolved Mysteries can never fulfill.

4 months after being sentenced to life in Prison, Alan Lee Philip died on February 27.

https://www.summitdaily.com/news/dumont-man-serving-2-life-sentences-for-1982-murders-near-breckenridge-dies-6-months-after-his-conviction/

https://www.summitdaily.com/news/dumont-man-serving-2-life-sentences-for-1982-murders-near-breckenridge-dies-6-months-after-his-conviction/

I know I made a separate thread, but Alan Lee Philips is dead.

Wow. I’m happy the families finally got justice but now I just wish karma had got him and he was never saved from that snowbank the night of the murders.

I’ll never understand why police never thought to even look at him as a suspect and why he was truly out on the road during such miserable weather that night.