http://www.dmww.com/upl/documents/library/chad-ripple-10-10-13.pdf

If you have a little bit of interest, read and if not your choice.

http://www.dmww.com/upl/documents/library/chad-ripple-10-10-13.pdf

If you have a little bit of interest, read and if not your choice.

I've often wondered about instances where a company selling a successful product, suddenly reformulates their dominant brand with significantly different ingredients. Wondering what toxic exposures they are trying to bury. Lysol disinfectant spray being a notable example . Now days it's mosty alcohol that they depend upon for killing the germs. But I can remember a much more wicked Lysol coming out of the cans back 40 years ago.

And I can remember when bug spray used to kill on contact, whereas now they mostly are based upon an oil that coats the bugs and suffocates them..

As far as "dumbing down" America....can you say "Budweiser"?

Jim, it never fails here, post one topic and comments go off topic about all the time. On other groups, this is flagged as off topic and moderation gets involved. What does Lysol and Budweiser have to do with the subject matter here? Just sayin

I've often wondered about instances where a company selling a successful product, suddenly reformulates their dominant brand with significantly different ingredients. Wondering what toxic exposures they are trying to bury. r"?

Good question. Think of the mass produced foods of our childhoods. Many recipes have been altered either to conform with new health standards, or jump on the latest health trend. I'm actually old enough to remember when McDonald's food tasted good! Do you remember Chips Ahoy cookies? I LOVED them when I was a little kid and then all of a sudden when I was in high school, they developed a weird aftertaste. Never tried them again; which, is probably a good thing.

Your cookies were probably loaded with fluoride...

I try to avoid flouride as much as I can!!!!

I brush with Water only.... I brush probably 5 or 6 times a day to keep them clean of stuff!!

I try to avoid flouride as much as I can!!!!

I brush with Water only.... I brush probably 5 or 6 times a day to keep them clean of stuff!!

You brush your teeth six times a day?!

What does Lysol and Budweiser have to do with the subject matter here? Just sayin

Well, it was kinda in the spirit of unknown poisons in the stuff we consume everyday, and never really think about...like the flouride you mention.

I think alcohol has more significant health consequences on our society, both physical and mental, than flouride.

So it's kinda silly, IMO to rant about flouride when there's an 800 lb gorilla in the room that many people consider to be their passion.

I try to avoid flouride as much as I can!!!!

I brush with Water only.... I brush probably 5 or 6 times a day to keep them clean of stuff!!

You only brush your teeth with water??? Eww... I shudder to think what your breath is like.

Have you tried toothpastes without fluoride, like Tom's of Maine, Hello, or Kiss My Face?

Well, it was kinda in the spirit of unknown poisons in the stuff we consume everyday, and never really think about...like the flouride you mention.

I think alcohol has more significant health consequences on our society, both physical and mental, than flouride.

So it's kinda silly, IMO to rant about flouride when there's an 800 lb gorilla in the room that many people consider to be their passion.

Well truth be known, fluoride is in SO MUCH, beer, sodas, juices, foods as foods are watered with fluoridated water from the city systems or if they get natural fluroide from the earth (rain, snow) that is all nature, but the stuff the Alcoa and the Mellons and that gang concocoted decades ago, $$$$ and getting rid of their waste from the aluminum and fertilizer plants....smart cookies to give it to the people as good for them. I've seen it in my own town after a history of no bagged fluoride added to our city water, then the fluoridationists kept working on the city council and the council's pockets were open wide enough and they caved to $$$$$.

Well truth be known, fluoride is in SO MUCH, beer, sodas, juices, foods as foods are watered with fluoridated water from the city systems .

Here's something even MORE worthy of concern. On Google satellite, find the cities that get their municipal water supply from lakes or rivers, and explore upstream until you find other cities that dump effluent from their sewer systems into the rivers that cities downstream get their drinking water from.

It's amazingly prevalent. South Bend and Elkhart Indiana both dump their dirt into lake Michigan, and guess where Chicago gets their water? And then there is Toledo Ohio, just a short stone's throw downstream from Detroit.

I don't care that the "bugs" are (mostly) killed by treatment processes, the very idea that dead bugs that used to be in someone else's body, are in the water coming out of my tap, is disgusting.

So, if "flouride" manages to inadvertently kill off a few more bugs in the water it is added to, so be it.

At one time I had a friend who bought an old mennonite church out in the country, and converted it to his home. He had a 100 year old grave yard, on his property, dozens and dozens of old graves. Did I mention he had well water? Smelled to high heaven too.

Life is very gross.

According to Mark Royer on One day at a time who was a new dentist and just opening his practice and nervous he wouldn't get any patients , he said " And some do gooder had to go and invent fluoride " !!:lol::D

It's amazingly prevalent. South Bend and Elkhart Indiana both dump their dirt into lake Michigan, and guess where Chicago gets their water? And then there is Toledo Ohio, just a short stone's throw downstream from Detroit.

I don't know about Elkhart, but South Bend quite a few years ago embarked on a massive sewage-related project in order to separate the sources, eliminating objectionable run-off from going directly into the natural system of rivers & lakes. This was in conformance with an EPA order, I believe. So hold the phone here, South Bend continues to address the problem. They have also done a downspout disconnection program for older homes.

Communities that have Rejected Fluoride since 1990...maybe you will recognize some of the cities.

http://fluoridealert.org/content/communities/

I don't know about Elkhart, but South Bend quite a few years ago embarked on a massive sewage-related project in order to separate the sources, eliminating objectionable run-off from going directly into the natural system of rivers & lakes. This was in conformance with an EPA order, I believe. So hold the phone here, South Bend continues to address the problem. They have also done a downspout disconnection program for older homes.

I'm not sure that you and I are on the same page.
I'm talking about the sewerage treatment plants that dump 10s of thousands of gallons of treated effluent into the St Joe river, everyday.

Such as the plant on Riverside drive where I-80 crosses the northbound river.

And Mishiwaka's plant at Lincolnway and Logan streets

And the elkhart plant next to the bridge where Nappanee St crosses the river

That river eventually empties into Lake Michigan, which is Chicago's water source.

But I'm not picking om South Bend alone, that is a bargain we've made as a society to permit high population density. The practice is everywhere.

Pittsburgh Pa for instance has it's sewage treatment plant on the Ohio river at a point about a half mile UPSTREAM from the city water plant.

Talk about gross. I'm sure the water is completely safe, but just the idea that the water coming out of your showerhead was probably inside someone's body the day before, gives me the creeps just thinking about it.

According to Mark Royer on One day at a time who was a new dentist and just opening his practice and nervous he wouldn't get any patients , he said " And some do gooder had to go and invent fluoride " !!:lol::D

Oh dentists push fluoride on their patients and even do fluoride baths on them and many refuse or will end up leaving the practice so not to be pushed to drown in fluoride, my grandkids are going thru this now as they don't want their mouths bathed in fluoride, and these young adults are more and more standing up for their rights at their younger ages...20's.

We should NOT be forced to do what we feel is not right for us.

I saw an alternative medicine doctor many years ago for a family member, and she advised against the dangers of fluoride. When I mentioned dentists using the fluoride treatment she gave it an emphatic "no."

Anyway, on the subject of wastewater, I believe cities of all sizes are under governmental restrictions preventing UNTREATED sewage pollution -- the water humans use has to go somewhere, it's not just going to vanish, and so wastewater treatment plants have been in operation for DECADES.
When a claim is made that "dirt" goes into natural bodies of water, it gives the impression that "anything goes" by the cities. We don't in most areas have the advantage of pure mountain streams. All anyone can do if they're worried about water quality is to install whole-house or point-of-use filtration systems. Cities like South Bend annually publish reports on their water quality being pumped into homes & businesses.
Ironically, if there's a concern that smaller cities like Elkhart & South Bend are polluting Chicago's water, it's actually the biggest cities that generate so much human-produced waste that they have to truck it out to rural areas -- which threatens the groundwater servicing the small towns...!

Cities like South Bend annually publish reports on their water quality being pumped into homes & businesses.


I think that I was fairly straight forward in saying that I was sure the water was "safe". But that does nothing to negate that the water splashing in your face from your showerhead was likely in someone else's bladder earlier in the week. just sayin....

Have you tried toothpastes without fluoride, like Tom's of Maine, Hello, or Kiss My Face?Yes I was using TOMS but I stopped because it has Carrageenan in it and that bothers me alot!! (My gums started aching,etc)

If its not flouride its some other crap and its sad!!

We should NOT be forced to do what we feel is not right for us.

On this particular point I agree with you 100%. I can see some validity in concern that by deciding to put Flouride in the municipal water, that significantly impacts the ability of the individual to make that decision for themselves.

Just because some tweedy jacketed greybeard determines certain benefits might avail themselves through forced introduction, should not by itself give priority to one agenda over another. Much like mandatory health insurance, it should be the individual's RIGHT, not duty, to participate.

But, heading off what I anticipate to be your likely next move, NO this logic does not track through on the concept of MANDATORY face masks and safe distancing.

Apples and oranges.

Yes I was using TOMS but I stopped because it has Carrageenan in it and that bothers me alot!! (My gums started aching,etc)

If its not flouride its some other crap and its sad!!

Dude, check out Now Foods Coconut Oil toothpaste...I've been buying it for a couple yrs and prior to that I made my own but found the Now brand and love it. I just looked at the iherb site and over 8000 reviews, it's all clean stuff in this TP.

Thank you sweetie,Ill look into that!!!!!

On the public water fluoridation, they are treating people and not the water. I resent them treating me.

Yup so do I!!!!!!!

I'm not sure that you and I are on the same page.
I'm talking about the sewerage treatment plants that dump 10s of thousands of gallons of treated effluent into the St Joe river, everyday.

Such as the plant on Riverside drive where I-80 crosses the northbound river.

And Mishiwaka's plant at Lincolnway and Logan streets

And the elkhart plant next to the bridge where Nappanee St crosses the river

That river eventually empties into Lake Michigan, which is Chicago's water source.

But I'm not picking om South Bend alone, that is a bargain we've made as a society to permit high population density. The practice is everywhere.

Pittsburgh Pa for instance has it's sewage treatment plant on the Ohio river at a point about a half mile UPSTREAM from the city water plant.

Talk about gross. I'm sure the water is completely safe, but just the idea that the water coming out of your showerhead was probably inside someone's body the day before, gives me the creeps just thinking about it.


Looks like those buzzards are coming home to roost:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/environment/ct-pfas-illinois-drinking-water-20220710-lcql5pgfjjcqrm2libb3gej5ty-htmlstory.html

Keep in mind that South Bend's largest employer is a university, and Elkhart is primarily in the RV manufacturing business, along with small makers of component parts. The big corporations like Studebaker, Uniroyal (Mishawaka), and Bendix either have been gone for a half-century or otherwise barely exist anymore. The Uniroyal buildings were imploded 20 years ago.

The big manufacturers like 3M that may be causing problems for Illinois' water supply are not located in northern Indiana. So I fail to see how the mentions of the towns here are relevant. "Forever" chemicals in water is a worldwide problem that can't be pinned on any particular geographic region or source.

Public fluoridation of our waters in the U.S. started in 1945 in Grand Rapids, MI...and many have fought the issue and many are dead and I got in the battle in the 1980's when
the pushers came into our town and started their push and payola to the city council and other decision makers. We safe drinking water people lost our battle.

How many have been harmed by drinking and living in "F" water, we'll never know...but I do believe that it does inhibit the thyroid.

So I fail to see how the mentions of the towns here are relevant. .

(sarcasm) Well, I'm sure the people drinking that sludge over in illinois MUST watch classic sitcoms (/sarcasm)

More seriously, The tie in to this thread was how I earlier mentioned Lake Michigan being Chicago's source of water, has so many municipal sewage systems dumping their effluent into rivers that feed onto it.....INCLUDING (but by no means limited exclusively to) South Bend et. al. that we should all consciously recognize that we as a society are pizzing in our own well.

And as the linked story reveals, these "forever" chemicals are not being removed through filtration nor by the "next gen" darling treatment methods using ultra violet radiation.


So you may regard my most recent addition to this thread as a confirmation that the pit is even deeper than we earlier thought it was. THAT is the relevance here.

How many have been harmed by drinking and living in "F" water, we'll never know...but I do believe that it does inhibit the thyroid.

Yes, but at least I'll have nice strong teeth when I die. :D

Yes, but at least I'll have nice strong teeth when I die. :D

I can't say that and I lived in and drank fluoridated liquids for a lot of my life and put some dentists kids thru college....I have a huge block on drinking water with waste from fertilizer plants, and didn't wake up until the 80's as I said.

The "F" water didn't save my teeth from all the sugar and carbs I consumed for too long.