I know that in FKB, Young briefly smoked in the first few episodes. Other than that, there is no smoking in LTB, FKB, A-12, Emergency, BBunch, etc.

I thought people were still smoking in the 60s and 70s. What gives with the shows or had people started to quit smoking earlier?

Andy Griffith smoked onscreen. So did Joey Bishop if I correctly recall. le beau was shown to smoke from time to time on hogan's heroes, with his european "backwards" style of holding the cigarette.

I think that the use of cigarettes on screen closely paralleled the control and prohibition of cigarette advertising on TV.
It went into decline starting around 1967, and had almost completely vanished by 1971.

Here is some background:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/01/congress-bans-airing-cigarette-ads-april-1-1970-489882

Carolyn Jones as Morticia on the Addams Family occasionally smoked on screen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYji3a_pPSk

And, of course, we all know that Barbara Eden smoked when starring on I Dream of Jeannie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfnTTcVdaog

On a more serious note, Phyllis Diller had her long stemmed cigarette holder in "The Pruitts of Southampton" into the color era:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--fk7HzTipI

I'd love to see this show again.
One of Richard Deacon's lesser known roles.

Pruitts would be a good pickup for Antenna TV. To replace the 7th or 8th repeats of Paul Lynde.

On smoking (other than Jim smoking in episode 1, and the original Kent-sponsored opener), FKB showed the eccentric wife of Jim's friend smoked in season 2. Also in season 2 Bud got sick smoking cigars with his friend Joe.

But I imagine the shows got letters on smoking. As for Beaver, they didn't even approach the subject, other than Mr. Gregory (Kathy's, the girl who fell in the fountain, father) telling Wally to smoke if he wanted to (he didn't, of course).

But I imagine the shows got letters on smoking. As for Beaver, they didn't even approach the subject, other than Mr. Gregory (Kathy's, the girl who fell in the fountain, father) telling Wally to smoke if he wanted to (he didn't, of course).

You were posting in another thread about recycled plots that were used in multiple series.

Seems as though I've seen a "son finds father's pipe and makes self sick" storyline get used in multiple shows, but can't recall now which they were.

Pruitts would be a good pickup for Antenna TV. To replace the 7th or 8th repeats of Paul Lynde.

On smoking (other than Jim smoking in episode 1, and the original Kent-sponsored opener), FKB showed the eccentric wife of Jim's friend smoked in season 2. Also in season 2 Bud got sick smoking cigars with his friend Joe.

But I imagine the shows got letters on smoking. As for Beaver, they didn't even approach the subject, other than Mr. Gregory (Kathy's, the girl who fell in the fountain, father) telling Wally to smoke if he wanted to (he didn't, of course).

:)
Don't forget on LITB, Marlene Holmes's smoking scenes, cementing the fact that she and Wally were operating, in entirely different leagues . . or galaxies.

Right, and there was Larry and Beaver improvising on smoking the pipe that Fred sent to Ward.

Right, and there was Larry and Beaver improvising on smoking the pipe that Fred sent to Ward.

Did the Wardster actually smoke? That's not the kind of mistake that a long term co-worker would make.

No, just Larry and Beaver--I don't think they actually showed it -- just preparing to do it, and dissolve to the result -- sick.

Of course, smoking on-screen did not stop entirely in 1971. You had detective Ron Harris on Barney Miller late 1970's, the George Peppard character on the A-Team in the early 80s, and Peggy Bundy's infamous cigarette butt in the salad in the late 80s I'm sure there were more.

But by that time I think cigarettes were mostly used as a prop to enhance aspects of questionable personality or moral turpitude.

Right, just the ads were banned. Now if they would ban attorney, drug company, and Medicare ads, the world would be a better place.

No, just Larry and Beaver--I don't think they actually showed it -- just preparing to do it, and dissolve to the result -- sick.

Well, that's not what I really was getting at. I know that Ward never smoked on camera. But if Fred, a long time cohort.... gifted a pipe to Ward, that's not the kind of thing you would give someone unless you knew they would appreciate it.

Ward must have been at minimum an "alleged" smoker.

Which surprises me. Especially since he has NEVER been in a bar, ever. (the "squeaky clean" aspect to his character)

Right, just the ads were banned. .

But, the portrayal of smoking on camera, as a positive attribute, tapered off at about the same time frame as the advertising ban.

One thing that catches my attention is how when Sheriff Taylor does light a cigarette, often he takes just a couple puffs, and then puts the cigarette out. Not many smokers I know will do that, except under unusual circumstances.

In the same vein, on shows such as Gunsmoke, two characters will meet in the street, and one will say "wanna get a drink?" So they go in the bar, order drinks, exchange a few words.....the drinks arrive and they take one sip out of the drink, put the over half full glass down on the bar or table...and walk out.

Makes me wonder if there might have been some advertiser incentive involved, to show the beloved cast members enjoying a smoke, or a drink, that the TV viewer might emulate?

Well, that's not what I really was getting at. I know that Ward never smoked on camera. But if Fred, a long time cohort.... gifted a pipe to Ward, that's not the kind of thing you would give someone unless you knew they would appreciate it.

Ward must have been at minimum an "alleged" smoker.

Which surprises me. Especially since he has NEVER been in a bar, ever. (the "squeaky clean" aspect to his character)

We were given all kinds of things, including a side of deer, that not only did we not appreciate, but did not ever before or since use.

I could see that pipe being given as a gift to a non-smoker. If it was a regular pipe it would be odd to give it to a non-smoker, but a meerschaum pipe is also art at the very least.

We were given all kinds of things, including a side of deer, that not only did we not appreciate, but did not ever before or since use.



But clearly, you DID (as all humans do) eat..... SO, ostensibly the gift COULD have been of use to you. (from the perspective of the giver)
If they had known you were vegetarian, for instance, and gave you a side of deer, then I would think that your comparison would have merit.

I don't believe that a long term co-worker would gift a pipe to a non-smoker, any more than he would have given Ward a pair of nylons.

But clearly, you DID (as all humans do) eat..... SO, ostensibly the gift COULD have been of use to you. (from the perspective of the giver)
If they had known you were vegetarian, for instance, and gave you a side of deer, then I would think that your comparison would have merit.

I don't believe that a long term co-worker would gift a pipe to a non-smoker, any more than he would have given Ward a pair of nylons.

Except, we were vegan and it was well known throughout the congregation.

One of the cool things about life is that everybody gets to believe what they want.

Except, we were vegan and it was well known throughout the congregation.

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Some folks have a peculiar hostility to vegans/vegetarians.

You know what? I take that suggestion back. You said a while back that your father was a pastor, correct?

I worked with a guy who grew up as the son of a preacher, and I recall him telling me that during the holiday season, donations of food were constantly appearing on their doorstep, intended to be distributed to less fortunate members of the congregation.

Could this possibly have been the intention with the half deer? It would make sense that a congregation member might have hunted, and filled up their freezer at home, and decided to do the charitable thing with the other half, ..."feeding the less fortunate". Giving it to the head of the flock, so to speak, so that it might be sent where it does the most good. Just a thought.

Interestingly enough, one of the Dick Van Dyke episodes shown on ME TV last night was Season 1 episode 10's "Meershatz Pipe".

In that episode Buddy is showing off a collectable pipe, claiming that Alan Brady had gifted it to him. When a despondent Rob laments to Laura that evening that he felt Alan should have given the pipe to him, her very first words were: "But you don't smoke".

https://i.imgur.com/AVa1lAJ.jpg

Smoking was a fashionable thing in the 1960's and actors/celebrities were often seen smoking on various TV shows but that slowly started changing around 1970 or 71 when cigarette ads on TV were banned.

Efrem Zimbalist Jr. is seen smoking in some episodes of The FBI.
Don Adams is seen smoking in some episodes of Get Smart.
Dan Rowan is seen smoking in some episodes of Rowan & Martin's Laugh In.

It's been a while since I've seen these shows but I'm pretty sure that Jackie Gleason and Dean Martin were seen smoking in episodes of their variety shows.

IIRC at the end of the Jackie Gleason Show, he always came out on stage with a cigarette and a drink. "Goodnight, everybody!"

Efrem Zimbalist Jr. is seen smoking in some episodes of The FBI.


You know,...that occurred to me as a faint memory when I was compiling my earlier list, but I wasn't 100% sure.

Regarding Jackie Gleason, I recall one appearance on Johnny Carson in particular, late in Gleason's career, where he nervously chain smoked., one after the other.....he was significantly out of character.....almost made me wonder if he was on some type of medication at the time.

IIRC at the end of the Jackie Gleason Show, he always came out on stage with a cigarette and a drink. "Goodnight, everybody!"

Yes I seem to recall that as well. And I believe Jackie started off his show by saying "And awayyyy we go!" after concluding his opening monolog.

Those great variety shows of the 1960's, there will never be shows like that on TV again, that era has sadly long ended. Overall, the 60's was a great decade for TV shows, best decade for TV in my opinion.

Smoking was a fashionable thing in the 1960's and actors/celebrities were often seen smokings.

I believe that Hugh Hefner in particular glamorized pipe smoking, back in that era. I think many men picked up the pipe trying to emulate him.

You know,...that occurred to me as a faint memory when I was compiling my earlier list, but I wasn't 100% sure.

Regarding Jackie Gleason, I recall one appearance on Johnny Carson in particular, late in Gleason's career, where he nervously chain smoked., one after the other.....he was significantly out of character.....almost made me wonder if he was on some type of medication at the time.

I have The FBI DVD's and have been watching episodes from season 1, 1965-66, and Efrem is seen smoking in some episodes.

Gleason was indeed a chain smoker, during his 1985 appearance on Johnny Carson he lit up one cigarette after another while Carson interviewed him.

Yes I seem to recall that as well. And I believe Jackie started off his show by saying "And awayyyy we go!" after concluding his opening monolog.

Those great variety shows of the 1960's, there will never be shows like that on TV again, that era has sadly long ended. Overall, the 60's was a great decade for TV shows, best decade for TV in my opinion.

"The Miami Beach audience is the greatest audience in the world!"

I have The FBI DVD's and have been watching episodes from season 1, 1965-66, and Efrem is seen smoking in some episodes.

Gleason was indeed a chain smoker, during his 1985 appearance on Johnny Carson he lit up one cigarette after another while Carson interviewed him.

I've seen his Carson appearance. Not relevant to smoking, but he was a very interesting interview.

I've seen a few of his Carson appearances. Not relevant to smoking, but he gave a very interesting interview.

Did Jackie Gleason appear more than once on Johnny Carson? The only appearance I'm familiar with is the one from 1985.

You're right. I corrected it to just the one I remember.

Now if they would ban attorney, drug company, and Medicare ads, the world would be a better place.

Don't forget incontinence supplies and reverse mortgages....:rotflmao:

I guess we are a product of who the advertisers think we are? I remember when I was a cool guy, and the programming that I preferred was saturated with 1-888-LOVELINE, and male enhancement placebos.....I guess the ad gurus figure I am past that stage in my life now?

odd forum behavior :crying:

Index page won't show the above new post as "latest post"?

(fixed now, must have been a temporary glitch)

male enhancement placebos, LOL--they probably work because you think they work!

male enhancement placebos, LOL--they probably work because you think they work!

Or, our egos will not permit us to admit they didn't work -for us-.


I'm really on the same page as you are, regarding the bombardment of commercials we are subjected to. And, I usually am the first to insist that commercials are "foolish", because they are not capable of inducing me to buy something that I don't already "want".

I would never run out and buy a Pepsi, for instance...just because I thought that the ad was clever.

But then I realize what an obese nation we are. And the "carpet bombing" we receive in the form of food commercials. And recognize that despite my best intention to eat less, and generally stop over-doing the eating thing......all it seems to take is one good restaurant ad to get me on my way to the refrigerator.....despite it being 1 am and despite that I am experiencing no hunger whatsoever.

I merely wish to entertain my taste buds.

So, I really can't rest in denial that I am immune to the siren's call of advertising, because my waistline is living proof that it works

I also once heard from a friend in the business that all those commercials they pump promoting other shows in their schedule (example) the "Everybody Loves Raymond" commercials they feed us while watching "Andy Griffith Show",... are mostly how they burn up unsold advertising spots.

If you want to benchmark how well a network such as TVLand is doing, take a close look at how much effort they are putting into self promotion. They won't give the time "free" to their paid advertisers, and they won't give it back to the viewer in the form of bonus time, so they "burn" unsold spots up on self promotion.

OMG, this thread just went soooo far left, LOL!! I'm still giggling here.....ya'll are too funny, but such is true as far as those commercials are concerned...

So ANYWAY, we had an older couple who rented the upstairs of my childhood home, and Mr. Ross had the most EXQUISITE collection of smoking pipes I'd ever seen...He kept them in a glass case that was hung on the wall over one of the couches....Almost every color imaginable, and each one was "different"...I was only about 6 or 7 and this was back in the early to mid 60's...I only saw him with a cigar in his mouth when he came home from work and parked his car in the garage...very friendly man - he and his wife....It occurred to me that just "collected" them....They certainly looked priceless to me as well...

male enhancement placebos, LOL--they probably work because you think they work!

Continuing the examination of sponsor sub-group to targeted viewer sub group, it's interesting to consider the sponsors "featured" with METV's Saturday morning cartoons.

As I recall, these very same cartoons were sponsored in the 1960s Saturday morning time slots by Kellog's, Post, Marx, Mattel, and Milton-Bradley. Now, it appears to be predominantly adult health supplies, and diet aids.

Is this because they anticipate adults will be the primary viewers, or because the network's marketing people just are lazy?

I think I saw the smokes in his pocket in "Eddie's Girl" today.