View Full Version : Did Tina Louise have a point?


Cbalducc
01-01-2021, 12:15 PM
She complained for years that starring in GI hurt her career. Some people claim otherwise. But none of the rest landed a regular role in another hit series. They only did reunion movies or had guest appearances in other shows. Were they victims of typecasting, limited talent, or both? Or something else? I know that Jim Backus had to wind down his career after developing Parkinson’s Disease in the 1970s.

Cbalducc
01-01-2021, 05:06 PM
I think a regular role on a hit series is a pretty high bar. Bob Denver got a couple series, they just weren't popular. Russell Johnson worked pretty steadily.

TV changed a lot as Gilligan was ending. I'm not sure if any of the actors was right to fill a role on the hit shows that started up around 1970. You had a ton of shows in the 60s - Westerns, spy shows, Star Trek - that were focused around groups of men, and just about every week those shows had some pretty girl as a guest star. Those shows largely disappeared around 1970, and with them most of those sort of roles, so that would have limited roles for Dawn Wells and Tina Louise pretty severely.

I couldn’t see any of GI’s cast guest-starring on a “Star Trek” episode.
If you mean the early 1970s rural purge brought an end to westerns and sitcoms in the style of GI, then yes.

Babalu
01-03-2021, 06:47 PM
I couldn’t see any of GI’s cast guest-starring on a “Star Trek” episode.

I could certainly see Russell Johnson or Tina Louise guest starring on Star Trek. They were quality film actors with reasonably wide ranges. Maybe Dawn Wells if she was willing to shed her wholesome image.

Greenbeans
01-04-2021, 12:52 AM
Before Gilligan, Dawn Wells played a Native American on various westerns. Alan Hale was on a lot of stuff and was in the running to play Archie Bunker on All in the Family. I think they all had talent, but once you get typecast, it's hard to see Bob Denver as anything but Gilligan, etc.

CosmicCharlie
01-07-2021, 08:30 PM
Both Skipper and Ginger were on Jack Benny

In the episode Hale was just like the skipper but worked in a gym - very funny episode.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0613629/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZxWMvJrPbs

In the (Special) episode that Ginger was on was a 1 hour special and she played a beautiful girl right along side Jack - she was dazzling beautiful. No Credits Shown ...
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001481/

I would say had Ginger caught just 1 MAJOR break in the late 50's early 60's, like a costar to Elvis, she would have had many more stardom opportunities +-

So goes the Hollywood Starlet opportunities

SitcomsHeydayfan
01-21-2021, 01:38 AM
Before Gilligan, Dawn Wells played a Native American on various westerns. Alan Hale was on a lot of stuff and was in the running to play Archie Bunker on All in the Family. I think they all had talent, but once you get typecast, it's hard to see Bob Denver as anything but Gilligan, etc.

How close was Alan Hale to being Archie Bunker??

When you think about how he yelled at Gilligan he would've made a great Archie Bunker! Maybe even better than Carol O'Connor.

JediJones
01-28-2021, 12:02 AM
I think actors trying to run away from their successes finally came to an end in the '90s. Maybe because of how much money there was to be earned from a hit show or movie at that point. There was no need to keep your career open enough to do another part because you could get rich off of just one part. In the '80s we still had actors like Mark Hamill, Christopher Reeve and Shelley Long who were worried about being stuck in their most famous role and always trying to distance themselves from it. But since the '90s and through today, actors are dying to become known for just one famous role in a smash hit.

Filmmakers themselves also don't tend to worry about typecasting as much. If an actor is popular in something, they will try to cast that actor in another part whether they fit it or not. The most typecast actor today is probably Chris Hemsworth as Thor. He fits that part so well that it's hard to see him in another part. But he still has had one opportunity after another to star in a different would-be blockbuster as studios try to cash in on his recognizability. But they're probably doing the wrong thing, as audiences haven't embraced him in any other role but Thor.

SarahBellum
09-30-2021, 03:18 PM
Sitcoms started to change in the 70s due to all the "Learcoms" that were emerging. I'm not sure if any of the cast would have worked out on any of those.

GentlemanJim
09-30-2021, 04:15 PM
I saw her in an episode of Bonanza that she did right after GI concluded, and in a movie "the good guys and the bad guys". And imo she over acted in both...giving her characters a "labored" quality..

Perhaps it was her that allowed Ginger Grant to get into her own head?

CosmicCharlie
11-04-2021, 07:49 PM
Did Tina Louise have a point?

Ginger had 2 very nice points !
sorry had to say it !

forn
04-06-2022, 08:49 PM
I could certainly see Russell Johnson or Tina Louise guest starring on Star Trek. They were quality film actors with reasonably wide ranges. Maybe Dawn Wells if she was willing to shed her wholesome image.
Dawn Wells would have made a great green alien dancing girl.

biffbronson
05-09-2022, 08:24 PM
I loved Russell Johnson's work on The Twilight Zone, especially the episode starring Albert Salmi. Really good casting.

Duster76
05-10-2022, 09:58 PM
Did Tina Louise have a point?

Let's take a look, but as we do this let's take a look at the entire picture.

Bob Denver:

In fact, Bob starred in two series after Gilligan ended, those shows were not successful. Gilligan was his second successful series how many stars have more than two?

Alan Hale Jr.:

He played Casey Jones for a single season and a character named Biff Baker for 26 episodes over two seasons, both shows running in the 1950's. Besides the roles mentioned his career before and after Gilligan was a series of character roles. His career in the post-Gilligan world was the same as it was before Gilligan.

Jim Backus:

He played JC Dithers in Blondie (one of the main characters) during the 1968-69 season. This was his 4th series in addition to voicing Mr. Magoo in all the shows that character appeared in. Jim was also 57 years old in 1970, roles tend to wind down by this time in an actor's life.

Natelie Schafer:

She was 67 years of age when Gilligan ended, she has IMD credits after Gilligan, and those roles were consistent with the type of roles she was getting before Gilligan.

Russell Johnson:

He worked steadily before Gilligan and found roles after the series went off the air including a recurring part in Owen Marshall. He was a regular in a series titled Black Saddle in 59-60 (the series ran 41 episodes). I don't any evidence to suggest he was hurt by being in Gilligan's Island.

Dawn Wells:

Dawn's career got off to a good start, she was relatively new to the business when she landed the role that would define the rest of her career. She was only 29 when Gilligan ended and the roles based on IMD credits do seem to dry up. She had almost 30 credits between 1961 and the start of Gilligan and only 4 additional credits in the post-Gilligan world going into 1976.

It seems clear that with the possible exception of Dawn Wells the rest of cast was not adversely affected by their association with the series. I liked Dawn Wells but I think she was a younger version of Betty Lynn destined more for smaller parts rather than on her way to stardom.

I thought Tina Louise was a very self-conscious actress which might work on stage but on TV it comes across as role-playing by that I mean the audience is never becomes fully invested in the character she's playing.

biffbronson
05-11-2022, 04:01 AM
Bob Denver starred in 3 short-lived series after Gilligan's Island:

The Good Guys (1968)
Dusty's Trail (1973)
Far Out Space Nuts (1975)

SarahBellum
05-11-2022, 12:24 PM
Alan Hale was on a lot of stuff and was in the running to play Archie Bunker on All in the Family.

And Carol O'Connor was in the running to play Skipper on Gilliigan's Island.

Mickey Rooney was also in the running to play Archie Bunker.

biffbronson
05-11-2022, 01:17 PM
I always think of Alan as his "Bull Bannock" character slugging it out with Marshal Dillon on a Dec. '66 ep of Gunsmoke, as far as his post-Gilligan work. Great casting choice.

forn
05-11-2022, 07:12 PM
And Carol O'Connor was in the running to play Skipper on Gilliigan's Island.
"Aw, listen to Gilligan the meathead here".


Mickey Rooney was also in the running to play Archie Bunker.
I could see that, after his role in Breakfast at Tiffany's.

Babalu
06-18-2022, 01:15 PM
I think actors trying to run away from their successes finally came to an end in the '90s. Maybe because of how much money there was to be earned from a hit show or movie at that point. There was no need to keep your career open enough to do another part because you could get rich off of just one part.

I think that's exactly it. I also think that's partly why today's TV stars are so taken with themselves and arrogant regarding espousing their political opinions as if they should be taken as gospel. They don't have to worry about finding their next job when raking in millions each year in residuals.

CosmicCharlie
06-18-2022, 02:44 PM
Dawn explains (in a youtube video interview) that when she landed the G I role she was handed a multi page contract like she had never seen before ...

She had girl friend who's dad was a lawyer though not working in the film industry and she asked him to look at it. Somehow he added in Financial Residual Fees and the studio just accepted it.

Dawn says SHE was the ONLY member of the cast to collect residuals !

biffbronson
06-18-2022, 04:02 PM
Tina looked charming when she smiled:

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CosmicCharlie
06-18-2022, 04:59 PM
Tina !

forn
06-18-2022, 08:00 PM
Dawn says SHE was the ONLY member of the cast to collect residuals !
Seems kind of unfair. But who could say no to that face?

GentlemanJim
01-13-2023, 09:47 PM
I just saw a "pre-Gilligan" episode of The Tales of Wells Fargo featuring a role by Tina Louise. And just being honest I strongly suspect that casting Tina Louise as actress acting that she was an actress....must have been an inside joke....."good one" Sherwood Schwartz. She has almost no talent beyond portraying an object of desire.

She was fortunate to get the free ride on GI, IMO. She over emphasizes the significance of herself, which works for "Ginger", but looks prefab in more serious roles.

forn
01-14-2023, 07:17 PM
She has almost no talent beyond portraying an object of desire.
This sounds harsh, but really, she was even outdone in that respect by Dawn Wells.

TMC
01-31-2026, 07:42 PM
Before the television show Gilligan's Island started, did actress Tina Louise (Ginger) really believe the show would be about the movie star celebrity on the island with 6 regular people? (https://www.quora.com/Before-the-television-show-Gilligans-Island-started-did-actress-Tina-Louise-Ginger-really-believe-the-show-would-be-about-the-movie-star-celebrity-on-the-island-with-6-regular-people/answer/Jon-Mixon-1)

Q: Before the television show Gilligan's Island started, did actress Tina Louise (Ginger) really believe the show would be about the movie star celebrity on the island with 6 regular people?

I’ll go with “Yes”, for $500.

I’ll be unkind: Tina Louise is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and never has been.

Although she attended Miami University and graduated from Lee Strasberg’s acting school, Louise really didn’t have much going for her except her looks and her willingness to work hard. She had done a great deal of television work prior to the sitcom and she knew the difficulties she was going to have in the industry unless she found a longterm or popular (preferably BOTH) role on some type of program. She hadn’t made a mark as a feature film actor, and at age 32, she was looking as if she’d some be reduced to minor roles, or try again to attempt a Broadway career.

Along came Gilligan’s Island.

While it was a silly series, and Louise had to share the spotlight with six other actors, she had to have realized even then that it was probably the best thing that she was ever going to receive and that she should make the best of it. Unfortunately a combination of ego and again what seems to be a serious lack of intellect, made Ms. Louise believe that better things were in store for her at that late portion of her career and following the series’ cancellation, she eschewed doing the majority of Gilligan’s Island-related events, including the four follow up films.

That proved to be huge mistake because:


Louise’s feature film career never advanced her past character and supporting roles.
She was unable to land another longterm television role.
She failed to attract enough attention for a talk show program hosting role when those were in their infancy.
She lost perhaps millions of dollars by not being willing to appear as Ginger or a Ginger-like character in commercials and ads.


Basically because she didn’t recognize the fact that her career WAS Gilligan’s Island, she has spent decades struggling to remain relevant when she didn’t have to. Worse than that, she failed to remain relevant despite those efforts and basically disappeared into the background of show business. She could have arguably made a fortune while engaging in other roles had she simply “steered into the skid” and accepted Ginger Grant for what she was: A lifelong meal ticket.

Anyway and this is where Louise judgment and intellect grow even more questionable with the exception of a few people who may remember her supporting roles in now little-seen projects like The Wrecking Crew (with Dean Martin) and The Stepford Wives, she’s primarily known for being on the series and not much else. So again she lost millions trying to avoid being typecast only to have been typecast anyway.

CosmicCharlie
01-31-2026, 10:20 PM
I’ll be unkind: and you were