What are the Core Four only episodes where one of the four girls gets Nancied?

For example, Natalie got Nancied on the Marriage Brokers episode. We can't count Blair not appearing on the First Time episode or the Nancy McKeon hold out episodes.

Natalie during the episode when it’s Blair’s birthday and they throw her the Alice in Wonderland-themed party. Or does that not count because she missed that episode entirely?

Natalie definitely got Nancied in "Gossip". Nancy took up the "fourth girl" position in that episode. Oh, the irony: Nancied by Nancy! :lol:

Natalie definitely got Nancied in "Gossip". Nancy took up the "fourth girl" position in that episode. Oh, the irony: Nancied by Nancy! :lol:

It's really unusual, a character Nancied by Nancy herself :lol::lol:

Dear Apple was a Jo-centric episode for most of the run, the other girls didn't have much of a role

Dear Apple was a Jo-centric episode for most of the run, the other girls didn't have much of a role



'Dear Apple' was a JO/BLAIR episode: it was based on their complicated friendship.

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I hate Dear Apple because the whole idea of the computer being able to understand what Jo was talking about is ridiculous for 2020, let alone 1985.

I hate Dear Apple because the whole idea of the computer being able to understand what Jo was talking about is ridiculous for 2020, let alone 1985.

Same.

I hate Dear Apple because the whole idea of the computer being able to understand what Jo was talking about is ridiculous for 2020, let alone 1985.

I love and hate Dear Apple. I love it because it shows the relationship between Blair and Jo but I hate it because the talking computer was ridiculous, as you have said.

A computer talking is the weirdest sci fi plot FOL had

None of the core four were "Nancied". It's normal for shows to do episodes focused on a certain character while giving the rest of the cast a backseat. I gave an example in another thread about how Modern Family's Sarah Hyland had to find out her character's grandfather died in an episode she wasn't in after it aired. She said in the interview the cast doesn't receive scripts for episodes they're not in even though they are part of the main cast. She was upset she wasn't in the episode but it was focused on her character's father to deal with. There's a lot of shows that do this so I consider the term "backseat" than "Nancied".

Felice's "Nancied" should be considered more on the lines of a performer who is hired as a main star for a show but quickly sent to supporting status for various reasons. If Lisa had not been hired for Blair, I believe Felice would have stayed the star of the girls like it was intended to be from the pilot. The only other actress I might consider "Nancied" in FOL was Pamela in season 5. They obviously had plans for her since she was in the opening credits for episodes she wasn't even in. Those plans didn't go through after seeing she wasn't clicking with fans. We saw Kelly get the same treatment as Nancy who would just have a quick few second scene in an episode here or there until she became forgotten.

The only other actress I might consider "Nancied" in FOL was Pamela in season 5.

That definitely happened; good point!


If Lisa had not been hired for Blair, I believe Felice would have stayed the star of the girls like it was intended to be from the pilot.

It did seem like that is what would happen, Felice having the main role during the backdoor pilot. In fact, some of the newspaper articles from that era refer to Felice/Nancy as the "lead girl" or "head girl", or things like that.

A computer talking is the weirdest sci fi plot FOL had

They did it in Dear Apple and also in Dream Marriage. Maybe others, too.

I don't think any of the Core Four were ever Nancied. It was an ensemble show. They all had parts to play and contribute. For example, in "Gossip", Natalie has a pivotal role: It is she who eggs Tootie on to share her gossip about Mrs. Garrett to their friends Cindy and Sue Ann. If Natalie hadn't done that, Tootie wouldn't have told the girls, and the gossip wouldn't have spread like wildfire on campus and nearly cost Mrs. Garrett her job.

You can't say the same about Nancy in, say, "Molly's Holiday"...or "Running"...or "Emily Dickinson"...or "The Facts of Love"...or "Dieting"...or most of the shows! lol

That definitely happened; good point!



It did seem like that is what would happen, Felice having the main role during the backdoor pilot. In fact, some of the newspaper articles from that era refer to Felice/Nancy as the "lead girl" or "head girl", or things like that.




I have to say i am definitely in the minority here: everyone seem to think that FELICE as NANCY was the big star on the Pilot 'The girls school', but i always saw BLAIR as the one who caught people's interest! I mean, the way she interacted with MRS G, practically ignoring her when she wants to shake hands, and then insulting her when she got caught smoking was hilarious! To me, it was obvious that BLAIR was cast as the bad girl and NANCY as the good girl!
You can have more than a main character on a sitcom, and this is how i view it:
1. NANCY is the good/popular girl
2. BLAIR is the bad/rebellious girl
3. MRS G the no nonsense housekeeper/housemother who would turns things right.....

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I have to say i am definitely in the minority here: everyone seem to think that FELICE as NANCY was the big star on the Pilot 'The girls school', but i always saw BLAIR as the one who caught people's interest! I mean, the way she interacted with MRS G, practically ignoring her when she wants to shake hands, and then insulting her when she got caught smoking was hilarious! To me, it was obvious that BLAIR was cast as the bad girl and NANCY as the good girl!
You can have more than a main character on a sitcom, and this is how i view it:
1. NANCY is the good/popular girl
2. BLAIR is the bad/rebellious girl
3. MRS G the no nonsense housekeeper/housemother who would turns things right.....

popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:

I think about it this way: if you take Blair entirely out of "The Girls' School", you only lose a few lines about stepsisters, blue bloods, and some smoking. But if you take Nancy out of the episode, you have no motivation for the play to be successful, no scene with the girls trying to come up with a plan to save Nancy, no scene of Mrs. Garrett telling off The Crock, no scene between Mrs. Garrett and Nancy showing she already cares for these girls... In short, the whole episode has to be re-written.

It's not that Blair doesn't add to the episode: she certainly does, and the producers could see what a star Lisa could be... but chopping her parts out of this episode wouldn't destroy the episode in the way that Nancying Nancy would.

But I think the producers also saw that they needed to make Blair a little kinder. If they didn't, viewers would wonder why these other girls, and even Mrs. Garrett, were hanging around her. Thus the birth of the Snob With A Heart of Gold. :heart::dollar: <-- That's my attempt at "heart of gold", lol

I don't think any of the Core Four were ever Nancied. It was an ensemble show. They all had parts to play and contribute. For example, in "Gossip", Natalie has a pivotal role: It is she who eggs Tootie on to share her gossip about Mrs. Garrett to their friends Cindy and Sue Ann. If Natalie hadn't done that, Tootie wouldn't have told the girls, and the gossip wouldn't have spread like wildfire on campus and nearly cost Mrs. Garrett her job.

You can't say the same about Nancy in, say, "Molly's Holiday"...or "Running"...or "Emily Dickinson"...or "The Facts of Love"...or "Dieting"...or most of the shows! lol

But who would repack Tootie's clothes in "Overachieving"!? :lol:

I kid, of course. I do think Natalie's role in "Gossip" was quite minimal, and I would consider that being Nancied, if it had continued. But because it was a one-off instance, it's not like, as Christopher said (and he's so right), Pamela Adlon's eroding role, where she ended up being credited in the episode... but Kelly isn't even seen! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I don't think any of the Core Four were ever Nancied. It was an ensemble show. They all had parts to play and contribute.

I agree. The core four took turns having episodes focused on them. Nancy didn't get that after IQ. That's why I think the term "Nancied" should be defined as a star getting bumped for various reasons.


everyone seem to think that FELICE as NANCY was the big star on the Pilot 'The girls school', but i always saw BLAIR as the one who caught people's interest!

Blair was a side character in the pilot. She was never meant to be anything special when that episode was filmed. She only had one scene and it was to be the snotty rich girl. As Retro stated, you could take Blair's scenes out and it would not impact the episode at all. You take out Nancy's or even Tootie's and there would be huge confusion in the flowing of the episode. I don't think it was until Rough Housing that they decided Blair was better suited as the star for the girls. It's not Lisa's fault she's the better actress and had the better character compared to Felice / Nancy.

it was obvious that BLAIR was cast as the bad girl and NANCY as the good girl!

Blair was never the bad girl in season 1. She had two episodes where she had an attitude and was smoking. After Rough Housing, her character was changed to care about the other girls and be a big sister type character. Look at Adoption and Molly's Holiday. If she was a rebellious bad girl, she wouldn't care about others hurting. She wouldn't want to do nice things for others. That whole bad girl act was gone after the first episode.


I kid, of course. I do think Natalie's role in "Gossip" was quite minimal, and I would consider that being Nancied, if it had continued. But because it was a one-off instance, it's not like, as Christopher said (and he's so right), Pamela Adlon's eroding role, where she ended up being credited in the episode... but Kelly isn't even seen! :lol::lol::lol::lol:


They started Kelly off in a strong, unusual way for a character too. Who in their right minds thought fans would like a character's intro to be stealing from the main characters the fans love, terrorizing them, extorting money from them, and lying to them? The writers were idiots! This isn't a soap opera, although season 5 was dark with soap opera type stories. The producers obviously saw their mistake since Pamela was cut from the show to Nancy like scenes.

Natalie didn’t have a plot line besides Adoption til Sex Symbol

But who would repack Tootie's clothes in "Overachieving"!? :lol:

I actually did start typing "Overachieving" in my list until I thought of that moment and I thought, I KNOW Retro will point out her suitcase packing if I say "Overachieving", so I didn't---but you worked it in anyway! :lol:


Blair was never the bad girl in season 1. She had two episodes where she had an attitude and was smoking. After Rough Housing, her character was changed to care about the other girls and be a big sister type character. Look at Adoption and Molly's Holiday. If she was a rebellious bad girl, she wouldn't care about others hurting. She wouldn't want to do nice things for others. That whole bad girl act was gone after the first episode.

I'm also in the camp that does see Blair as "the bad girl" in season 1. She's kind of like Oscar the Grouch before Jo came along--bad attitude (in different ways than Jo), but with a heart of gold deep down. She disobeyed her headmaster and endangered her life and a younger dormmate's life (and consesquently their headmaster's life) in a horrible flood. She was proud to be a new member of The Group, which were BAD GIRLS that smoked D-O-P-E. She almost had S-E-X with a boy!! :eek: That's what BAD GIRLS do! :lookaroun (haha) She had hormones that we would never again see once she absorbed Sue Ann's conservatism into her personality. After the rebelliousness of joining drug girls in "Dope", it's a noticeably different Blair indeed who enters the cafeteria in "The New Girl Part 1".


Natalie didn’t have a plot line besides Adoption til Sex Symbol

I have noticed that before. But there were only 4 girls. It would be extremely hard to be "Nancied" with only 4 girls. Up until starring in SS she's still a noticeable part of those first season 2 episodes.

I actually did start typing "Overachieving" in my list until I thought of that moment and I thought, I KNOW Retro will point out her suitcase packing if I say "Overachieving", so I didn't---but you worked it in anyway! :lol:


You know me too well! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

She was proud to be a new member of The Group, which were BAD GIRLS that smoked D-O-P-E. She almost had S-E-X with a boy!! :eek: That's what BAD GIRLS do!

But she didn't smoke the joint and flushed the one she was given. That's not what bad girls do :lol: She also covered for Sue Ann in that episode. Bad girls don't do that! :p As for the sex episode, she was scared and realized she wasn't going to do that until the time was right. If Blair was truly a bad girl, she would have had sex with whoever. She was a wannabe rebel but never lived up to the standards because she was a good girl instead. I think you guys are all exaggerating Blair's character in season 1 because you didn't like the changes in season 2. That's how it looks like to me when I keep seeing all these posts that Blair was a bad girl when really she was the big sister type to the girls and helped them with their problems.

As for the flood episode, Blair cared about her horse and the animals. We see Blair has a soft side to animals as well when they're in danger. Do you really think bad girls care about animals? I think you guys should meet a real bad girl sometime so you know the difference :lol: None of the girls in this show were bad girls. Even Jo, she was just a wannabe rebel as well. She did have an attitude in the beginning but she was just like Blair who cares what happens to others.

But she didn't smoke the joint and flushed the one she was given. That's not what bad girls do :lol: She also covered for Sue Ann in that episode. Bad girls don't do that! :p As for the sex episode, she was scared and realized she wasn't going to do that until the time was right. If Blair was truly a bad girl, she would have had sex with whoever. She was a wannabe rebel but never lived up to the standards because she was a good girl instead. I think you guys are all exaggerating Blair's character in season 1 because you didn't like the changes in season 2. That's how it looks like to me when I keep seeing all these posts that Blair was a bad girl when really she was the big sister type to the girls and helped them with their problems.

No. You're painting me like that, but that's not me. :) Blair is my favorite FOL girl after Cindy in that "golden era" of the cafeteria years of the show. :loveya: You're highlighting the goodness about Blair in season 1, but it's the bad girl in her that causes her to do turn to those rebellious, bad behaviors: joining a group that does drugs and having S-E-X with a boy in the back of a van at age 15. No she does not follow through with those acts, but she starts out with those intentions. That's the rebel "bad Blair" that's there. I like "bad Blair" fine, but I also love the Blair that walks into the cafeteria in "The New Girl Part 1" who's gotten the rebel out of her system and is completely about being wealth-centered and self-absorbed and the spoiled, self-entitled princess who yet has room for Mrs. Garrett and her "school sisters" in her hoity-toity heart. :loveya:


As for the flood episode, Blair cared about her horse and the animals. We see Blair has a soft side to animals as well when they're in danger. Do you really think bad girls care about animals?

No, but bad girls lie to their authorities and risk the lives of themselves and others and upset their friends in manipulating them to lie for them. ;) It's all in how you want to look at it. :)


I think you guys should meet a real bad girl sometime so you know the difference :lol: None of the girls in this show were bad girls. Even Jo, she was just a wannabe rebel as well. She did have an attitude in the beginning but she was just like Blair who cares what happens to others.

True, but she was the "bad girl" of the four. We're talking "bad" on this show compared to the likes of girls like of Cindy and Tootie, and the Blair that walked into the cafeteria in "The New Girl Part I". If I knew a girl who strove to have sex at age 15 or who rode a hog and got into a bad crowd, cutting classes and getting into teenage trouble, I would have been like :eek:. I'm sure it happened, but I didn't know of anyone at the time who did it in my school.

None of the core four were "Nancied". It's normal for shows to do episodes focused on a certain character while giving the rest of the cast a backseat. I gave an example in another thread about how Modern Family's Sarah Hyland had to find out her character's grandfather died in an episode she wasn't in after it aired. She said in the interview the cast doesn't receive scripts for episodes they're not in even though they are part of the main cast. She was upset she wasn't in the episode but it was focused on her character's father to deal with. There's a lot of shows that do this so I consider the term "backseat" than "Nancied".

Felice's "Nancied" should be considered more on the lines of a performer who is hired as a main star for a show but quickly sent to supporting status for various reasons. If Lisa had not been hired for Blair, I believe Felice would have stayed the star of the girls like it was intended to be from the pilot. The only other actress I might consider "Nancied" in FOL was Pamela in season 5. They obviously had plans for her since she was in the opening credits for episodes she wasn't even in. Those plans didn't go through after seeing she wasn't clicking with fans. We saw Kelly get the same treatment as Nancy who would just have a quick few second scene in an episode here or there until she became forgotten.

You're right, backseat is the right word. Pamela was definitely "Nancied" in season 5, there are at least 3 episodes that season where she is featured in the opening credits but she doesn't appear. George had a similar treatment after season 7

I have to say i am definitely in the minority here: everyone seem to think that FELICE as NANCY was the big star on the Pilot 'The girls school', but i always saw BLAIR as the one who caught people's interest! I mean, the way she interacted with MRS G, practically ignoring her when she wants to shake hands, and then insulting her when she got caught smoking was hilarious! To me, it was obvious that BLAIR was cast as the bad girl and NANCY as the good girl!
You can have more than a main character on a sitcom, and this is how i view it:
1. NANCY is the good/popular girl
2. BLAIR is the bad/rebellious girl
3. MRS G the no nonsense housekeeper/housemother who would turns things right.....

popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:
Without a doubt Blair was the lead girl but I don't have the feeling she was the star in the pilot. The plot was: "Mrs. Garrett is helping Kimberly's dorm". Edna was the focus of that episode, Nancy right after her. Don't get me wrong, Valentina, I love both Blair and Edna and TGS was the beginning of a wonderful relationship between the two of them

but I love the Blair that walks into the cafeteria in "The New Girl Part 1" who's gotten the rebel out of her system and is all about being wealth-centered and self-absorbed and the spoiled, self-entitled princess who yet has room for Mrs. Garrett and her "school sisters" in her hoity-toity heart. :loveya:


But she didn't get it out of her system. If Blair had, she wouldn't have gone to a bar to pick up guys with Jo or brought alcohol on the school campus in Growing Pains. Blair had an edge that was still there in the Jo seasons but it's not really a bad girl type.


No, but bad girls lie to their authorites and risk the lives of themselves and others and upset their friends in manipulating them to lie for them. ;) It's all in how you want to look at it. :)

So everyone who lies is bad? Everyone on this board who has told a lie in their life is bad. That's how you're interpreting this because almost every kid lies to their guardian.


True, but she was the "bad girl" of the four. We're talking "bad" on this show compared to the likes of girls like of Cindy and Tootie, lol. If I knew a girl who strove to have sex at age 15 or who rode a hog and got into a bad crowd, cutting classes and getting into teenage trouble, I would have been like :eek:. I'm sure it happened, but I didn't know of anyone at the time who did it in my school.



See I look at bad people as ones who don't care what happens. They do things they want to do no matter who gets hurt. They don't listen to others and will break the law for their personal gain. Blair wasn't like that in season 1. She cared and wanted to help others. Even in the episodes we're supposed to think she's a bad girl. She changes to make sure no one is hurt. And there's nothing wrong with cutting class :lol: I'm sure we all ditched when we were in school and we're not bad :p

I think about it this way: if you take Blair entirely out of "The Girls' School", you only lose a few lines about stepsisters, blue bloods, and some smoking. But if you take Nancy out of the episode, you have no motivation for the play to be successful, no scene with the girls trying to come up with a plan to save Nancy, no scene of Mrs. Garrett telling off The Crock, no scene between Mrs. Garrett and Nancy showing she already cares for these girls... In short, the whole episode has to be re-written.

It's not that Blair doesn't add to the episode: she certainly does, and the producers could see what a star Lisa could be... but chopping her parts out of this episode wouldn't destroy the episode in the way that Nancying Nancy would.

But I think the producers also saw that they needed to make Blair a little kinder. If they didn't, viewers would wonder why these other girls, and even Mrs. Garrett, were hanging around her. Thus the birth of the Snob With A Heart of Gold. :heart::dollar: <-- That's my attempt at "heart of gold", lol

Exactly! I wrote a similar message. Blair was the lead girl after the pilot, but Edna and Nancy were the main focus of that initial episode :wave:

I agree. The core four took turns having episodes focused on them. Nancy didn't get that after IQ. That's why I think the term "Nancied" should be defined as a star getting bumped for various reasons.




Blair was a side character in the pilot. She was never meant to be anything special when that episode was filmed. She only had one scene and it was to be the snotty rich girl. As Retro stated, you could take Blair's scenes out and it would not impact the episode at all. You take out Nancy's or even Tootie's and there would be huge confusion in the flowing of the episode. I don't think it was until Rough Housing that they decided Blair was better suited as the star for the girls. It's not Lisa's fault she's the better actress and had the better character compared to Felice / Nancy.



Blair was never the bad girl in season 1. She had two episodes where she had an attitude and was smoking. After Rough Housing, her character was changed to care about the other girls and be a big sister type character. Look at Adoption and Molly's Holiday. If she was a rebellious bad girl, she wouldn't care about others hurting. She wouldn't want to do nice things for others. That whole bad girl act was gone after the first episode.





They started Kelly off in a strong, unusual way for a character too. Who in their right minds thought fans would like a character's intro to be stealing from the main characters the fans love, terrorizing them, extorting money from them, and lying to them? The writers were idiots! This isn't a soap opera, although season 5 was dark with soap opera type stories. The producers obviously saw their mistake since Pamela was cut from the show to Nancy like scenes.
You're ruined after you have stolen Edna's Edibles :lol::lol:

But she didn't get it out of her system. If Blair had, she wouldn't have gone to a bar to pick up guys with Jo or brought alcohol on the school campus in Growing Pains. Blair had an edge that was still there in the Jo seasons but it's not really a bad girl type.

But she wouldn't have gone to the bar if Jo had not challenged her. Her princess pride was on the line. And as for the alcohol, she came from a wealthy family who drank wine. It wasn't "booze" like some "bad girl" would get. :lol: ;)

Honestly, it's all just part of the fun of the differences between the two Blairs, looking at these differences in season 1 and calling her the "bad girl". :) We're doing it from the standpoint of juveniles watching the show, for the fun of it.


So everyone who lies is bad? Everyone on this board who has told a lie in their life is bad. That's how you're interpreting this because almost every kid lies to their guardian.

Depends on circumstances. I never lied where I manipulated others into covering for me and where it would endanger someone's life.


See I look at bad people as ones who don't care what happens. They do things they want to do no matter who gets hurt. They don't listen to others and will break the law for their personal gain. Blair wasn't like that in season 1. She cared and wanted to help others. Even in the episodes we're supposed to think she's a bad girl. She changes to make sure no one is hurt.

Exactly. It's all just part of the fun seeing this early "non-Blair" behavior and looking at her as a rebel bad girl for fun. :)


And there's nothing wrong with cutting class :lol: I'm sure we all ditched when we were in school and we're not bad :p

Are you kidding? I never cut class. I would never have dreamed of it. That's something "daring kids" and "bad kids" did! lol :) I was like Tootie and Natalie and Molly and Cindy---I was the younger child in my family and I was such a good little guy, I never would have dreamed of ever cutting class. Not even in high school. I was so innocent and abiding and naive that I never would have considered it, lol. That was so risky and edgy and rebellious! I'm surprised to hear you cut class, lol. :)

You're right, backseat is the right word. Pamela was definitely "Nancied" in season 5, there are at least 3 episodes that season where she is featured in the opening credits but she doesn't appear. George had a similar treatment after season 7

I don't really consider George "Nancied". He was hired right off the bat as a supporting character. I don't think they planned for him to be huge in the show like they did with Pamela. They obviously learned from their mistakes because in season 7 George was only in the credits for the episodes he was in. Season 8 he was a guest star which is what he was in season 7.


But she wouldn't have gone to the bar if Jo had not challenged her. Her princess pride was on the line. And as for the alcohol, she came from a wealthy family who drank wine. It wasn't "booze" like some "bad girl" would get. :lol: ;)

Honestly, it's all just part of the fun of the differences between the two Blairs, looking at these differences in season 1 and calling her the "bad girl". :) We're doing it from the standpoint of juveniles watching the show, for the fun of it.

Wine, just like beer, is still alcohol. Blair knew it was wrong but she brought it anyways. I think of Blair as a fun girl rather than bad girl. Blair was loose and liked to have fun. Jo was the same way.


Depends on circumstances. I never lied where I manipulated others into covering for me and where it would endanger someone's life.

But Blair's lies didn't hurt anyone. She stayed by Sue Ann's side in Dope to make sure she was ok. Blair had too much heart to be truly bad.



Are you kidding? I never cut class. I would never have dreamed of it. That's something "daring kids" and "bad kids" did! lol :) I was like Tootie and Natalie and Molly and Cindy---I was the younger child in my family and I was such a good little guy, I never would have dreamed of ever cutting class. Not even in high school. I was so innocent and abiding and naive that I never would have considered it, lol. That was so risky and edgy and rebellious! I'm surprised to hear you cut class, lol. :)



Well someone was boring in school :lol: :p J/K :) Ditching is fun. One of the times I ditched with friends we went to go see Armageddon in the theaters. This was in southern California so it's expected of kids to ditch at least once. Even now I get coworkers to play hooky with me and we go have a fun day, or mental health day as another coworker describes it. You should try it. It's not bad. It's just having fun. Don't try it now though. Wait until covid restrictions are over so you have more options of things to do. When my coworker and I played hooky a couple of years ago, we went to the coast. Fun times :cool:

Lisa said she acted badly in the pilot so they wouldn't have her smoke or appear to smoke cigarettes again. The biggest change in Blair was going from "Experimental Blair" in the first season to being Conservative values Blair later on. She took over for Sue Ann on that front. First Season Blair would have mocked later seasons Blair on that front.

Wine, just like beer, is still alcohol. Blair knew it was wrong but she brought it anyways.

Now who's trying to make Blair a bad girl? ;) :p


I think of Blair as a fun girl rather than bad girl. Blair was loose and liked to have fun. Jo was the same way.

Yeah, I said it was all in fun. :)


But Blair's lies didn't hurt anyone.

They hurt Mr. Bradley's knee. And they could have hurt Tootie, Chestnut, Romeo, Juliette, and herself. And they caused Sue Ann mental suffering and anguish. :lol:


She stayed by Sue Ann's side in Dope to make sure she was ok. Blair had too much heart to be truly bad.

Yes. Again, I said it's part of the fun of the different Blairs to call season 1 Blair the "bad girl". :)

It's kinda like how some women love "bad boys". They don't really like like guys who are bad people and hurt others and don't have heart. They like the perceived attitude and accessories of motorcycle, tattoos, cigs, chains, etc.


Well someone was boring in school :lol: :p J/K :) Ditching is fun.

It's "fun" because it's "bad"! :lol: :p


One of the times I ditched with friends we went to go see Armageddon in the theaters. This was in southern California so it's expected of kids to ditch at least once. Even now I get coworkers to play hooky with me and we go have a fun day, or mental health day as another coworker describes it. You should try it. It's not bad. It's just having fun. Don't try it now though. Wait until covid restrictions are over so you have more options of things to do. When my coworker and I played hooky a couple of years ago, we went to the coast. Fun times :cool:

You cut class in school and you cut work days?? How can people do that?? :lol: I'm too much of a Tootie, I could never do that. That's what "bad people" do! You get in "trouble"! :lol: I use all of my vacation days, but I've never "called in".

The biggest change in Blair was going from "Experimental Blair" in the first season to being Conservative values Blair later on. She took over for Sue Ann on that front. First Season Blair would have mocked later seasons Blair on that front.

Exactly. Blair changed so much in those later seasons, and not for the better.

It's "fun" because it's "bad"! :lol: :p

You cut class in school and you cut work days?? How can people do that?? :lol: I'm too much of a Tootie, I could never do that. That's what "bad people" do! You get in "trouble"! :lol: I use all of my vacation days, but I've never "called in".

:lol: it's not bad silly. It's fun and carefree. I like my way of thinking on this. They give us substitutes at work when we call in "sick" so it's not like we're leaving the classroom short handed. If we worked together, I'd totally get ya into playing hooky. Every job has that fun person so find them '80s and bring up the idea of playing hooky to them. I recommend going out of town because it lowers the chances of getting caught :lol: Just do it once so you can see how much fun it is. I'm sure others on this board have played hooky and agree it's nothing harmful or bad :)

Exactly. Blair changed so much in those later seasons, and not for the better.

Blair became an airhead in the later seasons and we can see why she failed at both her law career and rescuing Eastland.

:lol: it's not bad silly. It's fun and carefree. I like my way of thinking on this. They give us substitutes at work when we call in "sick" so it's not like we're leaving the classroom short handed. If we worked together, I'd totally get ya into playing hooky. Every job has that fun person so find them '80s and bring up the idea of playing hooky to them. I recommend going out of town because it lowers the chances of getting caught :lol: Just do it once so you can see how much fun it is. I'm sure others on this board have played hooky and agree it's nothing harmful or bad :)

It's pretty rare for me to play hooky. I don't do it too often, but I do believe it's beneficial to take some mental health days.

That being said, I did have to let one of my employees go when he took off far too much time. He had missed 14 days of work out of 28 shifts, which was 50% no-show. That was way too excessive.

I do believe Blair plays hooky. Jo, in her early years, would as well. Natalie would first be aghast, but then love the idea. Only Tootie would object. Of course, First Season Tootie would have been all in. :lol: Sue Ann, too, would have been shocked... but she would have done it. Molly would not do such a thing, unless everybody else was ("rest period").

It's pretty rare for me to play hooky. I don't do it too often, but I do believe it's beneficial to take some mental health days.

But that's what weekends and holidays and vacation days are for. :)

Unless maybe you feel you need more because you're in a much more stressful environment?

But I do think our society should change its labor regulations. We're not farming Puritans anymore. We can do 6-hour workdays instead of 8. We can get much more vacation time like those lucky Europeans.


I do believe Blair plays hooky.

Only "Bad Blair" in season 1, lol. Besides, they were on probation after that, so they couldn't do it even if they wanted to unless they were willing to be suspended or expelled.


Jo, in her early years, would as well.

She apparently did it a lot---at least enough to become obvious.


Natalie would first be aghast, but then love the idea. Only Tootie would object. Of course, First Season Tootie would have been all in. :lol: Sue Ann, too, would have been shocked... but she would have done it. Molly would not do such a thing, unless everybody else was ("rest period").

Nancy would probably be like Natalie: protest, then love it. Cindy would probably have to be swayed but enjoy it.

"rest period"? :confused:

But that's what weekends and holidays and vacation days are for. :)

Unless maybe you're in a much more stressful environment?

For six years, I worked in a high-stress media production organization, where you were supposed to have holidays and vacation days, but when they came up, you ended up having to work anyway, due to deadlines. It was a never-ending stream of broken promises.

In that type of environment, it doesn't serve you well to be a dummy and take no time off. It just damages your body, gives you PTSD, and wears at your soul. I learned the hard way to take time when needed. I've worked for other media production environments, and it's the same sort of thing: hurry, hurry, hurry, and in the future, you can take some time off, until that time comes. Then we need you to change your plans.

Now I just teach media production, and it's a much easier pace.


Only "Bad Blair" in season 1, lol. Besides, they were on probation after that, so they couldn't do it even if they wanted to unless they were willing to be suspended or expelled.

I seem to recall Blair taking off shifts to take care of personal matters. Might have even been to shop in NYC with her mom.


Nancy would probably be like Natalie: protest, then love it. Cindy would probably have to be swayed but enjoy it.

I think you are right.


"rest period"? :confused:

From the backdoor pilot. Molly participated in the rest period with the other girls.

For six years, I worked in a high-stress media production organization, where you were supposed to have holidays and vacation days, but when they came up, you ended up having to work anyway, due to deadlines. It was a never-ending stream of broken promises.

Ahh, duly noted. You were "Under Pressure"! Yikes.


I seem to recall Blair taking off shifts to take care of personal matters. Might have even been to shop in NYC with her mom.

But that's not playing hooky if Mrs. Garrett says it's okay.


From the backdoor pilot. Molly participated in the rest period with the other girls.

Ah, the 23-girls-party rest period. Well, she had no choice. It was an allotted time. Way to go, Mols! :lol:

Lisa said she acted badly in the pilot so they wouldn't have her smoke or appear to smoke cigarettes again. The biggest change in Blair was going from "Experimental Blair" in the first season to being Conservative values Blair later on. She took over for Sue Ann on that front. First Season Blair would have mocked later seasons Blair on that front.



That's a matter of taste: in my opinion BLAIR was the best actress on the Pilot (along with MRS G of course!)

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It's pretty rare for me to play hooky. I don't do it too often, but I do believe it's beneficial to take some mental health days.

That being said, I did have to let one of my employees go when he took off far too much time. He had missed 14 days of work out of 28 shifts, which was 50% no-show. That was way too excessive.

I do believe Blair plays hooky. Jo, in her early years, would as well. Natalie would first be aghast, but then love the idea. Only Tootie would object. Of course, First Season Tootie would have been all in. :lol: Sue Ann, too, would have been shocked... but she would have done it. Molly would not do such a thing, unless everybody else was ("rest period").

Definitely would not be Molly. During that Ouija board, Molly wanted to know how well they did on the test while Blair wanted to know what age she would be married.

In real life, it was the opposite way, Charlotte smoked and the girls would find ways to take away her cigarettes or pressure her not to smoke around them. It was swearing where Charlotte had to get after some of the girls.

I think about it this way: if you take Blair entirely out of "The Girls' School", you only lose a few lines about stepsisters, blue bloods, and some smoking. But if you take Nancy out of the episode, you have no motivation for the play to be successful, no scene with the girls trying to come up with a plan to save Nancy, no scene of Mrs. Garrett telling off The Crock, no scene between Mrs. Garrett and Nancy showing she already cares for these girls... In short, the whole episode has to be re-written.

It's not that Blair doesn't add to the episode: she certainly does, and the producers could see what a star Lisa could be... but chopping her parts out of this episode wouldn't destroy the episode in the way that Nancying Nancy would.

But I think the producers also saw that they needed to make Blair a little kinder. If they didn't, viewers would wonder why these other girls, and even Mrs. Garrett, were hanging around her. Thus the birth of the Snob With A Heart of Gold. :heart::dollar: <-- That's my attempt at "heart of gold", lol




Once again you couldn't have put words in a better way Retro!

I absolutely understand what you mean about how important NANCY was on the Pilot: the whole plot to try to save her from leaving school and succeeding, made it possible for the girls to form a close bond with the housekeeper (yet to become their housemother).
Nevertheless, i still think that by having BLAIR removed from the Pilot, we would have lost an important plot! After all, she was the mean girl of school (a fact that exists in every single high school) and had she not been there to stir up things a little, 'The girl's school' would have had only goody two shoes boring girls!

A good example is season 2: JO became an instant hit due to the fact that she was the new rebellious girl from the Bronx!

And so did BLAIR on the Pilot: her lines and attitude play an important part, and she is immediately cast as the outsider/mean girl who thinks she is better than anybody else!

But i agree, that in order to keep her at 'Eastland' BLAIR needed a strong personality like MRS G to mold her and handle her: a fact that we see happening right at the very beginning of FOL, when our 'feisty red haired' confronts BLAIR and practically forces her to apologize to CINDY (after shaming her on the episode Rough Housing').

We gradually see BLAIR change for the better, by becoming caring towards the others and turning into a big sister type to the younger girls (as Christopher pointed out) and that is thanks to MRS G's influence.
So yes, in order to bond with the housemother, BLAIR had to become a little humble and less bratty.

I also want to thank you Retro for what you wrote about BLAIR 'Thus the birth of the Snob with a heart of Gold': she will forever be my number one as you know, and i have always believed that there was more to her than meets the eyes....

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Without a doubt Blair was the lead girl but I don't have the feeling she was the star in the pilot. The plot was: "Mrs. Garrett is helping Kimberly's dorm". Edna was the focus of that episode, Nancy right after her. Don't get me wrong, Valentina, I love both Blair and Edna and TGS was the beginning of a wonderful relationship between the two of them



You're right FOL FAN ITA: MRS G was definitely the main focus, and the interaction between BLAIR and her (even though she defies her) shows that it would be the beginning of a wonderful relationship between them, as the Spin off of FOL unfolds...

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I don't really consider George "Nancied". He was hired right off the bat as a supporting character. I don't think they planned for him to be huge in the show like they did with Pamela. They obviously learned from their mistakes because in season 7 George was only in the credits for the episodes he was in. Season 8 he was a guest star which is what he was in season 7.




Wine, just like beer, is still alcohol. Blair knew it was wrong but she brought it anyways. I think of Blair as a fun girl rather than bad girl. Blair was loose and liked to have fun. Jo was the same way.








But Blair's lies didn't hurt anyone. She stayed by Sue Ann's side in Dope to make sure she was ok. Blair had too much heart to be truly bad.






Well someone was boring in school :lol: :p J/K :) Ditching is fun. One of the times I ditched with friends we went to go see Armageddon in the theaters. This was in southern California so it's expected of kids to ditch at least once. Even now I get coworkers to play hooky with me and we go have a fun day, or mental health day as another coworker describes it. You should try it. It's not bad. It's just having fun. Don't try it now though. Wait until covid restrictions are over so you have more options of things to do. When my coworker and I played hooky a couple of years ago, we went to the coast. Fun times :cool:




I enjoy readingall the commentaries you wrote about BLAIR, Christopher: it shows how much you like her, and i absolutely agree with you that she had too much of a heart to be truly bad!

When i said that BLAIR was the bad girl, i only meant it for the Pilot and 'Rough Housing': right after the 'ice breaker' between MRS G and her, (when she gets lectured) she becomes softer, and we discover a very caring and protective girl who realizes she misbehaved, and soon afterwards we never see her do or say anything mean to CINDY ever again....

BLAIR is definitely the 'girl with the golden heart', with a touch of rebel wanna be as you wrote ha ha!

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But i agree, that in order to keep her at 'Eastland' BLAIR needed a strong personality like MRS G to mold her and handle her: a fact that we see happening right at the very beginning of FOL, when our 'feisty red haired' confronts BLAIR and practically forces her to apologize to CINDY (after shaming her on the episode Rough Housing').

We gradually see BLAIR change for the better, by becoming caring towards the others and turning into a big sister type to the younger girls (as Christopher pointed out) and that is thanks to MRS G's influence.
So yes, in order to bond with the housemother, BLAIR had to become a little humble and less bratty.

I also want to thank you Retro for what you wrote about BLAIR 'Thus the birth of the Snob with a heart of Gold': she will forever be my number one as you know, and i have always believed that there was more to her than meets the eyes....


There definitely was more to Blair than what meets the eyes. She really did have a heart of gold, and it just took a little digging by Mrs. Garrett to let it shine.

Lisa, Kim, and Mindy got Nancied in the Reelz FOL documentary.

The question remains whether they turned down requests for interviews or were never asked.

Lisa, Kim, and Mindy got Nancied in the Reelz FOL documentary.

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The question remains whether they turned down requests for interviews or were never asked.

I doubt they were never asked. This was the most in-depth FOL documentary I have ever seen. They got Mackenzie Astin. They even scored an interview with Jenny O'Hara, who only appeared in four episodes. They brought in John and Geri, they brought in directors and casting and producers. They used archival footage when necessary. There's no reason people with this kind of attention to detail wouldn't ask the Core Four for interviews.

I doubt they were never asked. This was the most in-depth FOL documentary I have ever seen. They got Mackenzie Astin. They even scored an interview with Jenny O'Hara, who only appeared in four episodes. They brought in John and Geri, they brought in directors and casting and producers. They used archival footage when necessary. There's no reason people with this kind of attention to detail wouldn't ask the Core Four for interviews.

I believe there is a reason. It just seems oddly suspicious for none of the Core Four to be in it. I don't think they were asked. I think Reelz did this documentary from the angle of doing a documentary specifically excluding the Core Four, for a fresh perspective and an angle surrounding controversy: "Everybody's always heard from the famous four. Let's focus here on the strugglers and the casualties." It was two hours and so detailed, as you say, that I think that's how they planned it.

None of the four were in this, which is the oddest thing you can do for a FOL documentary. So to me it seems logical that they were not asked and were not intended to be a part of it in the first place. Particularly given that Lisa especially would seem to surely take part if she were asked. That was my take-away when I watched it: "Interesting, they made a documentary focusing on the Lost Girls and later additions, leaving out the Core Four. That was different."

It was also very refreshing from a "documentary collection" perspective since the four--or most of them--had been in every single documentary prior. I think they were going for that "different" feel to set it apart and make it stand out--which it does.

But, since opposing viewpoints have come up for each of us, I'll reach out to Reelz "next year" and seek the truth. Frankly it doesn't matter to me which one of us is right, i.e. if they were asked or not, but since it's now in question, I'll be after the "fact" of the matter just to see what did in "fact" go down, lol. :)

Nancy M. doesn't do the documentaries and they did about a 0.5 hour tribute to her. Nancy M. didn't get Nancied in the Reelz documentary.

There definitely was more to Blair than what meets the eyes. She really did have a heart of gold, and it just took a little digging by Mrs. Garrett to let it shine.




Thank you Retro: you're a star!

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I believe there is a reason. It just seems oddly suspicious for none of the Core Four to be in it. I don't think they were asked. I think Reelz did this documentary from the angle of doing a documentary specifically excluding the Core Four, for a fresh perspective and an angle surrounding controversy: "Everybody's always heard from the famous four. Let's focus here on the strugglers and the casualties." It was two hours and so detailed, as you say, that I think that's how they planned it.

None of the four were in this, which is the oddest thing you can do for a FOL documentary. So to me it seems logical that they were not asked and were not intended to be a part of it in the first place. Particularly given that Lisa especially would seem to surely take part if she were asked. That was my take-away when I watched it: "Interesting, they made a documentary focusing on the Lost Girls and later additions, leaving out the Core Four. That was different."

It was also very refreshing from a "documentary collection" perspective since the four--or most of them--had been in every single documentary prior. I think they were going for that "different" feel to set it apart and make it stand out--which it does.

But, since opposing viewpoints have come up for each of us, I'll reach out to Reelz "next year" and seek the truth. Frankly it doesn't matter to me which one of us is right, i.e. if they were asked or not, but since it's now in question, I'll be after the "fact" of the matter just to see what did in "fact" go down, lol. :)

As always, excellent points, and I hope you (we!) get answers! Thanks, as always, for your time and energy. This forum would be so much less fun without your participation, ideas, and enthusiasm. :wave:

Nancy M. doesn't do the documentaries and they did about a 0.5 hour tribute to her. Nancy M. didn't get Nancied in the Reelz documentary.

Yeah, Nancy just doesn't seem interested in reliving her FOL years.

PS: in thePilot there were actually 5 main girls meant to be cast (just like there were 7 on season 1 FOL), such as NANCY, BLAIR, SUE ANN, MOLLY and TOOTIE, so i'd say the side characters were rather JENNIFER, LAURA and the dozen of other girls in the introduction lol!
Just a last note on my part, cos i still believe that after watching LISA's acting on the Pilot, the writers must have decided to cast her as the star (instead of FELICE) right at the beginning of FOL.... (LISA even said herself, that it was the way she delivered those lines they decided to rewrite her character as the fast talking girl)

Yeah, Nancy just doesn't seem interested in reliving her FOL years.



They should have mentioned the other 3 girls on the documentary (not only NANCY): after all, they've been on longer than her, and LISA had been the star of season 1 lol! It doesn't seem fair to me to 'Nancy' those 3 brilliant women, just because NANCY has more fans! After all, she is the least interested on anything to do with FOL and doesn't deserve all the attention in my opinion....

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They should have mentioned the other 3 girls on the documentary (not only NANCY): after all, they've been on longer than her, and LISA had been the star of season 1 lol! It doesn't seem fair to me to 'Nancy' those 3 brilliant women, just because NANCY has more fans! After all, she is the least interested on anything to do with FOL and doesn't deserve all the attention in my opinion....

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It is my belief that the Reelz folks didn't Nancy the Core Four, and the Core Four instead Mollied the documentary, much like Kim and Mindy did to the Entertainment Weekly Oral History... or like Molly has done to every documentary. :lol:

As always, excellent points, and I hope you (we!) get answers! Thanks, as always, for your time and energy. This forum would be so much less fun without your participation, ideas, and enthusiasm.

Thanks, and you sure add a lot to here too!


And: "Mollied"!!

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I love it! :lol:

I'm glad "Mollied" met with your approval. It can be used like this: "We tried to get Molly to appear in The Little Chill, but she totally Mollied us."

I think it's cool we have a documentary that centers around these secondary characters

I think it's cool we have a documentary that centers around these secondary characters

I totally agree!

I'm glad "Mollied" met with your approval. It can be used like this: "We tried to get Molly to appear in The Little Chill, but she totally Mollied us."

I just learned yesterday that Molly actually did acquiesce to make a "lowly TV appearance" to star in a made for TV movie in 1985 with the guy from "Gremlins". After becoming America's cinema teen queen, who knew she would actually "lower herself" to appear on television again in the '80s after all?

I wonder if perhaps she had a crush on the "Gremlins" guy and that's why she slunk down during her movie reign to do a lowly TV movie. But that's just a guess. :lookaroun

I just learned yesterday that Molly actually did acquiesce to make a "lowly TV appearance" to star in a made for TV movie in 1985 with the guy from "Gremlins". After becoming America's cinema teen queen, who knew she would actually "lower herself" to appear on television again in the '80s after all?

I wonder if perhaps she had a crush on the "Gremlins" guy and that's why she slunk down during her movie reign to do a lowly TV movie. But that's just a guess. :lookaroun

Sometimes the actor signs on without knowing the production is going to end up being aired on TV, or direct to video.

Sometimes the actor signs on without knowing the production is going to end up being aired on TV, or direct to video.

I would think they would have to know if they're doing a TV movie, especially in the '80s.

I just learned yesterday that Molly actually did acquiesce to make a "lowly TV appearance" to star in a made for TV movie in 1985 with the guy from "Gremlins". After becoming America's cinema teen queen, who knew she would actually "lower herself" to appear on television again in the '80s after all?

I wonder if perhaps she had a crush on the "Gremlins" guy and that's why she slunk down during her movie reign to do a lowly TV movie. But that's just a guess. :lookaroun




I remember watching THE GREMLINS at the cinema when i was a kid, and i have to say the guy was rather cute (although at the time he looked so grown up to me hee hee!)

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