Wow, they sure chose the perfect episode to go out with bang. This was a rough one.

What those sisters have had to endure is heartbreaking. I'm going to probably need to watch this again (and all of them) to really process everything.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't see this one getting closure. Not unless the mother and her ex-husband some how turn on each other but there doesn't seem to be any plausible scenario where that could happen given what they each know about the other. They'd both go away for life.

I'd imagine because they had success burning her husband and scattering the ashes and pieces so widely that they probably did the same thing with Lena.

Wow, they sure chose the perfect episode to go out with bang. This was a rough one.

What those sisters have had to endure is heartbreaking. I'm going to probably need to watch this again (and all of them) to really process everything.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't see this one getting closure. Not unless the mother and her ex-husband some how turn on each other but there doesn't seem to be any plausible scenario where that could happen given what they each know about the other. They'd both go away for life.

I'd imagine because they had success burning her husband and scattering the ashes and pieces so widely that they probably did the same thing with Lena.

Yes they did. I just finished it about 5 minutes ago. I skipped the UFO one though as I was extremely bored about 10-15 mins in.

Words cannot express how emotionally invested I was in this episode. By the end, I was SO ANGRY that I was weeping for Brandi and her sister. How could you do this to your daughters? Your flesh and blood???? I still can't believe how bad the "mother" (calling her that is sickening) killed her daughter, her soon to be ex-husband, threaten Brandi with a gun, and actually had the daughters go along with it every step of the way ripping down her MISSING posters. What a truly sick woman. Sociopath. Murderer. Sandy Krup. I am a pacifist, but for her I would make an exception.

https://www.thesalemnewsonline.com/news/article_5c50244a-da37-11e5-9200-33fc9d2ba192.html

This article is worth a read. She wasn't officially reported as missing for years.
This was as gut-wrenching an episode of true crime as I have ever seen. So much pain and strife. I've only watched episodes 2 and 6 so far but the police work is pretty shoddy, in the classic UM tradition.

I enjoy the format. I think a narrator would make it too much like Dateline, etc., and there is no replacing Stack.

https://www.thesalemnewsonline.com/news/local_news/article_e47017ea-a4ef-11ea-99be-bffc5b567b87.html

This article is worth a read. She wasn't officially reported as missing for years.
This was as gut-wrenching an episode of true crime as I have ever seen. So much pain and strife. I've only watched episodes 2 and 6 so far but the police work is pretty shoddy, in the classic UM tradition.

I enjoy the format. I think a narrator would make it too much like Dateline, etc., and there is no replacing Stack.

Was that the correct link? There doesn't seem to be any connection to Lena.

Oops fixed

This was the best one of the set and was a gut wrenching story. Sandy's a real piece of work, isn't she?

I feel for the family, as this is tragic, but this is one of those cases that I really wish didn't make it on UM, as it's pretty obvious what happened and who did it, and felt like there were other cases that had more of an "unsolved mystery" angle that could have been profiled. Reminded me more of a 48 hours or Dateline mystery, where we obviously know who did it from the start, but just don't have the body or proof. A lot of those shows I can't make it through, because it really isn't a "mystery" to me.

Any resolution to this case will be because of Colter. He's going to be of age someday. Even if he was brainwashed, he'll be curious enough to do research about his past.

Wasn't Colter just a baby when his mom disappeared?

I feel for the family, as this is tragic, but this is one of those cases that I really wish didn't make it on UM, as it's pretty obvious what happened and who did it, and felt like there were other cases that had more of an "unsolved mystery" angle that could have been profiled. Reminded me more of a 48 hours or Dateline mystery, where we obviously know who did it from the start, but just don't have the body or proof. A lot of those shows I can't make it through, because it really isn't a "mystery" to me.

Heartbreaking especially for Brandi.

I can see your point. Tragic. The looking for the remains at the end felt totally unnecessary. That reminded of disappeared.

The tale was gripping though to say the least

Wasn't Colter just a baby when his mom disappeared?

He was just a baby when Lena disappeared in 2003. That would make Colter roughly around 17 years of age today, maybe 18.

This was a difficult case to watch. The five sisters said they want to make sure they tell Colter when he's old enough what his grandmother did to his mother. But after being raised pretty much his whole life by Sandy and most likely being spoon fed many lies about his aunts, his loyalty will remain with his grandmother.

Sadly, we've seen other examples like this throughout the years and the end result is never what we want it to be.

Wendy Camp's son Jonathan chose not to believe that his grandmother and great-grandmother killed his mother and sister. He went in complete denial because he didn't want to believe the woman who had raised him was capable of such a despicable thing. Then when Beverly Noe was arrested, it completely shattered him and today, according to Wendy's sister, he's a bedridden drug addict.

Another sad example is Gilbert Ortiz's son, Jonathan. When Elizabeth was arrested for the attempted murder of Gilbert, he couldn't face the reality of what his mother had done. And since she was the only parent he knew, his loyalty remained with her and it completely destroyed his life. He's had multiple incidents of assault against his father, he joined a gang and he's been in and out of prison ever since.

Colter is now going to be in just such a situation. He's eventually going to have to believe the woman who raised him killed his mother or choose to live in ignorance. One path is going to be much easier for him to accept. And we know which one that is.

He was just a baby when Lena disappeared in 2003. That would make Colter roughly around 17 years of age today, maybe 18.

This was a difficult case to watch. The five sisters said they want to make sure they tell Colter when he's old enough what his grandmother did to his mother. But after being raised pretty much his whole life by Sandy and most likely being spoon fed many lies about his aunts, his loyalty will remain with his grandmother.

Sadly, we've seen other examples like this throughout the years and the end result is never what we want it to be.

Wendy Camp's son Jonathan chose not to believe that his grandmother and great-grandmother killed his mother and sister. He went in complete denial because he didn't want to believe the woman who had raised him was capable of such a despicable thing. Then when Beverly Noe was arrested, it completely shattered him and today, according to Wendy's sister, he's a bedridden drug addict.

Another sad example is Gilbert Ortiz's son, Jonathan. When Elizabeth was arrested for the attempted murder of Gilbert, he couldn't face the reality of what his mother had done. And since she was the only parent he knew, his loyalty remained with her and it completely destroyed his life. He's had multiple incidents of assault against his father, he joined a gang and he's been in and out of prison ever since.

Colter is now going to be in just such a situation. He's eventually going to have to believe the woman who raised him killed his mother or choose to live in ignorance. One path is going to be much easier for him to accept. And we know which one that is.

The hope is that Colter is like Bonnie Haim's son, Aaron, who long believed his father killed his mother. However, those types of children are rare as most believe in the innocence of their loved one accused.

The hope is that Colter is like Bonnie Haim's son, Aaron, who long believed his father killed his mother. However, those types of children are rare as most believe in the innocence of their loved one accused.

Bonnie Haim's son Aaron also had the advantage of not growing up under his father's care. He was taken in by a stable and loving foster family who loved him so much, they eventually adopted him. He was spared. And I believe that's a huge reason why he's a fully functioning adult today.

But Colter has been raised by Sandy for about 95% of his life. Lies have long since been probably pounded in his head. And he's been raised by a woman who is not above killing her own daughter to get what she wants. The odds are stacked against him. I'm afraid to hear how his story is going to turn out.

5/6 episodes could be considered the best of the set, I think this for me was though. So gripping, great interviews by all involved. The girls especially, so strong considering all their mother put them through.

Bonnie Haim's son Aaron also had the advantage of not growing up under his father's care. He was taken in by a stable and loving foster family who loved him so much, they eventually adopted him. He was spared. And I believe that's a huge reason why he's a fully functioning adult today.

But Colter has been raised by Sandy for about 95% of his life. Lies have long since been probably pounded in his head. And he's been raised by a woman who is not above killing her own daughter to get what she wants. The odds are stacked against him. I'm afraid to hear how his story is going to turn out.

Watching Aaron on Dateline when they did his mom's case last year, he has a strong head on his shoulders. I do wonder if he still has a relationship with anyone on his dad's side of the family.

I feel for the family, as this is tragic, but this is one of those cases that I really wish didn't make it on UM, as it's pretty obvious what happened and who did it, and felt like there were other cases that had more of an "unsolved mystery" angle that could have been profiled.

I thought that at first, but then I realized it makes a lot of sense - Sandy's true power over the sisters is that they knew was Lena knew. But, now it's out there for EVERYONE to know. It can't be covered up anymore or used as leverage over those sisters - they BOTH said that now that they were independent of Sandy they felt like they could talk. I think that's part of why Lena wasn't reported missing right away. They knew, but if they told the truth, Sandy might kill them too.

Giving those girls such a public platform for their story - now if anything happens to them, more than a handful of people will know what's what.

I also thought that the ground penetrating RADAR at the end was a classic UM thing to do - they just normally did it with treasure, not people.

I found this (https://www.cassville-democrat.com/story/1988630.html) article which said that the jury found Sandy, Klemp, Klemp's ex-wife, and Lena liable for the death of Gary McCullough. At the end of the article, the attorney for Gary's family says that two of Lena's sisters believe she is dead. I thought it was interesting that Lena's other 3 sisters weren't interviewed for UM. Maybe they believe she's still alive? I also found this (http://www.4bcaonline.com/uploads/1/7/7/6/17767517/jul17.pdf) article which goes into some of the testimony given at the civil trial.

ETA: Found another lengthy article (https://www.thesalemnewsonline.com/news/article_5c50244a-da37-11e5-9200-33fc9d2ba192.html) about this case. Lena wasn't reported missing for three years after her disappearance. Lena's father reported her missing.

At the end of the article, the attorney for Gary's family says that two of Lena's sisters believe she is dead. I thought it was interesting that Lena's other 3 sisters weren't interviewed for UM.

Lena wasn't reported missing for three years after her disappearance. Lena's father reported her missing.

I think this was lightly addressed in the show - the two sisters that were interviewed said at different points and in different ways that essentially they were able to talk about it now because they're independent of their mom. It sounded like part of Sandy keeping control over her kids so they couldn't implicate her was financial as well.

It also seemed like it was fairly recently they were both free of her control. I figure the other three are still dependent on Sandy or they might even be just towing the line to look after Colter best they can.

A poster on Reddit, claiming to be a member of the family, went in to a few more details the day Lena disappeared...

The episode makes it look like Lena disappeared into thin air on that day in 2006. But one Reddit user claiming to be a family member says there were a lot of incriminating details missing from the segment.

They said, “Sandy randomly showed up there (Lena's apartment) the day Lena disappeared. Sandy told Lena’s boyfriend that she had ran off with another man and left her kid behind. Soon after she “ran off to Florida,” the landlord did complete renovations due to bloodstains on the carpet. The landlord was quoted saying “it looked like a dog had been chopped up” because when the carpet was pulled up, a giant bloodstain was found on the wood below the carpet, as well as in the carpet itself.”

They continued, “The landlord disposed of the old carpet and didn’t notify police, because he was unaware of the circumstances behind Lena’s disappearance, all he knew is that Lena “moved away.” To make things even more interesting, soon thereafter, the entire apartment building burnt to the ground.”

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/unsolved-mysteries-family-member-reveals-gruesome-details-left-out-of-lenas-disappearance-on-missing-witness.html/

I think this was lightly addressed in the show - the two sisters that were interviewed said at different points and in different ways that essentially they were able to talk about it now because they're independent of their mom. It sounded like part of Sandy keeping control over her kids so they couldn't implicate her was financial as well.

It also seemed like it was fairly recently they were both free of her control. I figure the other three are still dependent on Sandy or they might even be just towing the line to look after Colter best they can.

They made a point to highlight that the youngest sister was paid to take the posters down. So it sounds like they're not all free of Sandy.

A poster on Reddit, claiming to be a member of the family, went in to a few more details the day Lena disappeared...



https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/unsolved-mysteries-family-member-reveals-gruesome-details-left-out-of-lenas-disappearance-on-missing-witness.html/

Jebus.

It goes to show that Sandy was very good at covering her tracks, assuming she's the cause of the fire. To that end, the idea that she's buried or dumped somewhere seems more and more unlikely sadly. She probably scattered her like she did with Gary.

The segment stated that Sandy and Klemp divorced in 2014. My question is, how amicable of a divorce was it? Obviously, it wasn't that bad, because if it was, Klemp would have been going to the D.A. pleading for immunity in exchange for telling everything he knew.

By the way, I never knew the sad state of Wendy Camp's son Jonathan. That's just depressing. I hope he and Jonathan Ortiz are getting the help they need.