This was another solid episode from the Netflix revival.

What are everyone's thoughts? Did the husband do it, the two serial killers interviewed, random act of violence?

I'm leaning down the murder for hire road with the husband. Divorce incoming, Patrice asking what her son would do if she disappeared, and obviously locking her teenage son out of the home the day she disappeared and not letting him collect any of his things as if he knew he wouldn't have to worry about her coming home and being enraged by this.

And the ashes?? Lord, the ashes! He goes from sleeping with them in their shipping box to being stuffed in a closet still in the plastic baggy.

Netflix rebooted Tim McClure :lol:

This episode features a classic UM “type”. My jaw dropped at some of the things he said.

Yeah, the sleeping with the ashes bit is going to propel him near the top of "Weirdest Things People Did on UM." He is certainly an odd duck, which makes her choice to marry him seem weird to me. More on that later...

While were talking about weird, Patrice's son's name is... Pistol? I thought I kept hearing that wrong until I saw it on the screen and thought, "Welp, that's different." I felt bad for the guy, though. He seems lost without his mom and to lose her while he was in high school and in such a horrible manner. Her father was obviously destroyed by this, too. I felt equally bad for him. Oof. :(

Pistol and the husband obviously didn't get along. I chalk that up to stepdad vs. rebellious high school kid with lack of parenting. Patrice obviously loved her son, but I get the impression she wasn't very firm with him. The husband probably played nice for a while but then got tired of it and that's when they started to fight.

As for the husband, Patrice was everything to him, although I do think it was an odd match. She was 20 years younger than him and she was somewhat attractive, while he looked much older and like a plain older man. Maybe they were both tired of being single but it seemed a bit off to me. That said, I really don't think he did it. What would his motive be? He had no life insurance on her and now he is just lonely and sad. He gained nothing. I suppose if she really was going to leave him that might be a motive, but this doesn't seem like a hit. There is too much of a chance for someone to be seen or something to go wrong in the middle of the day.

I really think it was one of the serial killers mentioned. It makes sense that a serial killer is driving by, sees only one car, and sets up the scenario about needed a jump start. That would totally explain why her truck was found the way it was. During that process, the person takes the money from the register and either intends to take her or does it because she saw the robbery. The perp drives her just far enough away to get away from people and then kills her.

The only other thing that strikes me as off, is why would you take her behind that church? Was it for cover? It seems you'd be more likely to be seen there as opposed to an empty field or something. Maybe it was more secluded than it looked, but that choice was off with me.

Another great story though. Well produced and interesting to watch.

Yeah, the sleeping with the ashes bit is going to propel him near the top of "Weirdest Things People Did on UM." He is certainly an odd duck, which makes her choice to marry him seem weird to me. More on that later...

While were talking about weird, Patrice's son's name is... Pistol? I thought I kept hearing that wrong until I saw it on the screen and thought, "Welp, that's different." I felt bad for the guy, though. He seems lost without his mom and to lose her while he was in high school and in such a horrible manner. Her father was obviously destroyed by this, too. I felt equally bad for him. Oof. :(

Pistol and the husband obviously didn't get along. I chalk that up to stepdad vs. rebellious high school kid with lack of parenting. Patrice obviously loved her son, but I get the impression she wasn't very firm with him. The husband probably played nice for a while but then got tired of it and that's when they started to fight.

As for the husband, Patrice was everything to him, although I do think it was an odd match. She was 20 years younger than him and she was somewhat attractive, while he looked much older and like a plain older man. Maybe they were both tired of being single but it seemed a bit off to me. That said, I really don't think he did it. What would his motive be? He had no life insurance on her and now he is just lonely and sad. He gained nothing. I suppose if she really was going to leave him that might be a motive, but this doesn't seem like a hit. There is too much of a chance for someone to be seen or something to go wrong in the middle of the day.

I really think it was one of the serial killers mentioned. It makes sense that a serial killer is driving by, sees only one car, and sets up the scenario about needed a jump start. That would totally explain why her truck was found the way it was. During that process, the person takes the money from the register and either intends to take her or does it because she saw the robbery. The perp drives her just far enough away to get away from people and then kills her.

The only other thing that strikes me as off, is why would you take her behind that church? Was it for cover? It seems you'd be more likely to be seen there as opposed to an empty field or something. Maybe it was more secluded than it looked, but that choice was off with me.

Another great story though. Well produced and interesting to watch.


I'm guessing it's a case of slim rural pickings? Probably made her feel some form of security and filled that need from the best of a small dating pool. I just can't get past him kicking the son out the day she disappeared, and not even in some kind of big moment but just changing the locks on him while he was at school. If this woman was your everything like you claim this is what you're going to do to her son? Especially when she could just as easily have been found the next day from all you supposedly knew? To not let him even have his clothes much less any of the family pictures or mementos? Even if he didn't kill her he's an evil bastard.

This episode features a classic UM “type”. My jaw dropped at some of the things he said.

Tim McClure and Jim Harrison had a baby

Just got done watching it...

OK, the ex-husband admitting to kissing the skeleton, and then sleeping with her ashes, and then pulling the bag of ashes out in front of the camera are all creepy as all hell, right?

I guess we all grieve in different ways, but good Lord man.

Just got done watching it...

OK, the ex-husband admitting to kissing the skeleton, and then sleeping with her ashes, and then pulling the bag of ashes out in front of the camera are all creepy as all hell, right?

I guess we all grieve in different ways, but good Lord man.

Imo, it was all lies. He keeps her in the original box in the bottom of a messy closet and made sure to mention that he would NEVER give her to her son. If all of the affection was true, he wouldn't be keeping her in the bottom of a closet in a stained and beat up cardboard box.

I think the only way he slept with her cremains was if the box was left on his bed before it made it to the closet.

How do you love someone so much and change the locks on them the day she disappears so her beloved son can't even get his belongings. Unless, you know that she isn't coming back and you don't have to share your house with another man that takes her attention from you.

I don't think he did any of the kissing or sleeping. I think he knew she was going to leave or at least thinking about it and even in death that poor woman is a POSSESSION, not a person.

Just got done watching it...

OK, the ex-husband admitting to kissing the skeleton, and then sleeping with her ashes, and then pulling the bag of ashes out in front of the camera are all creepy as all hell, right?

I guess we all grieve in different ways, but good Lord man.


I can't imagine being so attached to someone and distraught over their death that I slept with their ashes unopened in their shipping packaging, and then only opening them for the first time EVER in 15 years live for a documentary crew.

Husband is obviously the prime suspect. Part of me thinks no guilty man would be so stupid to admit to the creepy stuff, and make so many callous remarks. The guy does not have the self preservation gene.

I have to think that the detailed confession from the convicted killer makes any future prosecution difficult. That gives the defendant a pretty good alternate suspect.

If I had to guess (or lay odds, in deference to a former prominent poster), I think he hired someone to do it. I have to wonder if the GBI really dug deep on the license plates. Looking for a blue or green domestic sedan with the quail feature. Can there really be that many? The investigator repeated how credible that info was, it seems like that was the path to go down in 2005.

This was another solid episode from the Netflix revival.

What are everyone's thoughts? Did the husband do it, the two serial killers interviewed, random act of violence?

I'm leaning down the murder for hire road with the husband. Divorce incoming, Patrice asking what her son would do if she disappeared, and obviously locking her teenage son out of the home the day she disappeared and not letting him collect any of his things as if he knew he wouldn't have to worry about her coming home and being enraged by this.

And the ashes?? Lord, the ashes! He goes from sleeping with them in their shipping box to being stuffed in a closet still in the plastic baggy.

Netflix rebooted Tim McClure :lol:

I had edged towards a serial killer until they mentioned the missing wedding ring. She wasn't robbed but had no wedding ring. Hubby had a loaded comment about them using a wheelbarrow to push her out to the location, a very remote location. He could have hired someone and promised payment when he got the ring, either as proof or because he wanted it back.

Or a SK kept the ring as a souvenir. Either way, the ring has never showed up, and if it's robbery you figured it would have been found at some point. As for the husband locking the kid out w/o getting clothes...Okay, you want him safe w/o bothering you? Let him get his clothes and stuff and he'll leave you alone.

I wonder if this confession that he recanted featured any of the privileged information? I’m guessing if they’re looking at other possibilities the answer is no?

Yeah, the sleeping with the ashes bit is going to propel him near the top of "Weirdest Things People Did on UM." He is certainly an odd duck, which makes her choice to marry him seem weird to me. More on that later...

While were talking about weird, Patrice's son's name is... Pistol? I thought I kept hearing that wrong until I saw it on the screen and thought, "Welp, that's different." I felt bad for the guy, though. He seems lost without his mom and to lose her while he was in high school and in such a horrible manner. Her father was obviously destroyed by this, too. I felt equally bad for him. Oof. :(

Pistol and the husband obviously didn't get along. I chalk that up to stepdad vs. rebellious high school kid with lack of parenting. Patrice obviously loved her son, but I get the impression she wasn't very firm with him. The husband probably played nice for a while but then got tired of it and that's when they started to fight.

As for the husband, Patrice was everything to him, although I do think it was an odd match. She was 20 years younger than him and she was somewhat attractive, while he looked much older and like a plain older man. Maybe they were both tired of being single but it seemed a bit off to me. That said, I really don't think he did it. What would his motive be? He had no life insurance on her and now he is just lonely and sad. He gained nothing. I suppose if she really was going to leave him that might be a motive, but this doesn't seem like a hit. There is too much of a chance for someone to be seen or something to go wrong in the middle of the day.

I really think it was one of the serial killers mentioned. It makes sense that a serial killer is driving by, sees only one car, and sets up the scenario about needed a jump start. That would totally explain why her truck was found the way it was. During that process, the person takes the money from the register and either intends to take her or does it because she saw the robbery. The perp drives her just far enough away to get away from people and then kills her.

The only other thing that strikes me as off, is why would you take her behind that church? Was it for cover? It seems you'd be more likely to be seen there as opposed to an empty field or something. Maybe it was more secluded than it looked, but that choice was off with me.

Another great story though. Well produced and interesting to watch.

They didn't speak to Pistol's dad but he seemed like an older man, too, so perhaps that was her type?

Imo, it was all lies. He keeps her in the original box in the bottom of a messy closet and made sure to mention that he would NEVER give her to her son. If all of the affection was true, he wouldn't be keeping her in the bottom of a closet in a stained and beat up cardboard box.

I think the only way he slept with her cremains was if the box was left on his bed before it made it to the closet.

How do you love someone so much and change the locks on them the day she disappears so her beloved son can't even get his belongings. Unless, you know that she isn't coming back and you don't have to share your house with another man that takes her attention from you.

I don't think he did any of the kissing or sleeping. I think he knew she was going to leave or at least thinking about it and even in death that poor woman is a POSSESSION, not a person.


I get leaving the ashes there if you can't face them...you're that devastated. However, sleeping with them and then still storing them 16 years later in the closet? You don't like her kid? Fine. Give him half of the ashes and let him take some stuff of his mother's.

Is no one going to say anything about that chick’s Kate Gosselin haircut?

How do you love someone so much and change the locks on them the day she disappears so her beloved son can't even get his belongings. Unless, you know that she isn't coming back and you don't have to share your house with another man that takes her attention from you.

I don't think he did any of the kissing or sleeping. I think he knew she was going to leave or at least thinking about it and even in death that poor woman is a POSSESSION, not a person.

Boom and Boom. That makes no sense to change the locks. That's a *HUGE* sign of I did something and I need to change part of my life.

Part of what police detectives do is see a person that does the SAME thing every day. If there's a change such as that, it's a huge warning sign.

They really laid him out during the last 15 minutes. Wanting to see her bones put together. Holding and kissing her skull?! I think he did it. I don't think any rational, normal person would do that.

And yes.

The POSSESSION. All Caps completely in agreement, idyla! That was crystal clear. He now has her. He won't let the son even look at her cremated ashes? That's just cruel and unfair. Pistol seemed like he was a bad boy growing up, but the ex was done with Pistol *THE NEXT DAY* she disappeared....that's....disturbing. It could be that he hated Pistol so much that he knew it would hurt Pistol more if he killed her and now he has her forever. No divorce needed. Sociopaths don't think normally like us. To them, it was a good choice as long as their needs are satisfied.

EDIT: He also may be impotent and their relationship was not based sexually therefore satisfying the possession of her only physically.

Boom and Boom. That makes no sense to change the locks. That's a *HUGE* sign of I did something and I need to change part of my life.

Part of what police detectives do is see a person that does the SAME thing every day. If there's a change such as that, it's a huge warning sign.

They really laid him out during the last 15 minutes. Wanting to see her bones put together. Holding and kissing her skull?! I think he did it. I don't think any rational, normal person would do that.

And yes.

The POSSESSION. All Caps completely in agreement, idyla! That was crystal clear. He now has her. He won't let the son even look at her cremated ashes? That's just cruel and unfair. Pistol seemed like he was a bad boy growing up, but the ex was done with Pistol *THE NEXT DAY* she disappeared....that's....disturbing. It could be that he hated Pistol so much that he knew it would hurt Pistol more if he killed her and now he has her forever. No divorce needed. Sociopaths don't think normally like us. To them, it was a good choice as long as their needs are satisfied.

EDIT: He also may be impotent and their relationship was not based sexually therefore satisfying the possession of her only physically.



I think the holding the scull was the final F-you power moment. If he did kiss the scull and tell it he loved her it was only for the benefit of the funeral director.

I think the holding the scull was the final F-you power moment. If he did kiss the scull and tell it he loved her it was only for the benefit of the funeral director.

I'll have to rewatch that again, maybe you're right about that part for the funeral director...I was pretty disgusted at that point.

Agreed! That was his final victory over her.

You won't divorce me.

You're Mine Forever.

Good episode.

That lock change move is difficult to accept if the husband is an innocent man, as Is the need to possess the remains in various ways, and all, in the end, as an admitted “**** you” to the son —- two years after the fact, and then continuing on.

There is something very wrong with that man, at the very, very least.

Glad I’m not the only one who was freaked by the StepDad. His antics with the deceased wife overshadows the Crime. Hard to figure who murdered her.

Rob has become the star of the reboot on Twitter :lol:

Netflix rebooted Tim McClure :lol:

I Almost p*ssed my pants laughing at that comment

I’ll bet Rob likes “a clean house” for sure.

Yeah, watching this I kept thinking “okay, people grieve in different ways. He just didn’t get along with the son, so that explains much of it” but yeah, the oddities kept adding up and I’m thinking he must have had something to do with it. I’m not fully convinced, but he said some weird stuff on there. That’s all I can say really. If he’s innocent, he’s a damn weirdo.

I can buy changing the locks. If he assumes she was abducted, the killer could have easy access to the house. Makes sense, but seems a bit fast considering.

Locking her kid out, even if he personally hated the kid, if he loved her that much, you’d think this would make him protective of the kid if only as a last gift to his wife. Of course if innocent he didn’t know she was dead yet, but I think that is only more reason to not lock the son out.

Not letting the kid get his stuff, that is just a dick move in any situation really, but here it’s even worse. If you are worried the kid would trash the place or something, fine, call the police to be there while he gets his stuff. But no, he just won’t let him get it. That is a huge control issue imo.

Kissing the bones? Really? Okay everyone grieves different... ya damn weirdo...

Sleeping with the ashes? I admit I have heard of folks doing this. BUT... I’ve only heard of this with them setting the urn on the bed where the person used to sleep or more often on the nightstand or something and this AFTER removing them from the damn shipping box. Cuddling with them is a complete new thing to me. I saw someone else noticed the stains on the box. Not to sound too gross, but umm yeah, what caused those exactly? Cuddling? Uh huh... ya damn weirdo.

Also, he sleeps and cuddles and gets mystery stains on the box of ashes, yet Keeps them stored under a bunch of crap in the closet? I have an urn on my shelf of a cat I once had that was very special to me. I feel bad if I walk by and set the mail on top of it coming in the door. Yet this guy keeps his beloved wife’s ashes next to a stack of porn in his closet. Hmm.

Never letting the son see the ashes, have some of them or photos of his mother. Come on. If he loved her that much, even if he hated the son, you’d think he’d consider “what would she have wanted?” But no, in the end, he is just a possessive control freak. And a damn weirdo.

This episode features a classic UM “type”. My jaw dropped at some of the things he said.

You ain’t kidding. My wife and I turned to each other and said, “I’m not saying he’s Jule Caylor, but...”

Hooboy.

Strong Jule Caylor vibes from this Rob Endres guy.

They really laid him out during the last 15 minutes. Wanting to see her bones put together. Holding and kissing her skull?! I think he did it. I don't think any rational, normal person would do that.

Yeah - I'm not sure any of that was real. I wish they had the funeral director back up his statement a bit more if possible. At least the asking to have her re-assembled. It's kind of implied, but could be clearer.

I think all of that is a mix of "might have happened" and "this sounds like someone who cares would do". Most people would be very unnerved and not want to see their loved one that way - they'd want to remember them as they were when they were alive. Seeing a dead body is tough, seeing a skeleton is even more difficult. And truly, all of it seems even more off in comparison to the rest of his words/mannerisms in the episode.

It's so very clear she's not a person to him, but property.

16 years later and he's keeping her in a box at the bottom of his closet. I'd put money on it that he only took her out knowing her son/family would be watching to show off that he still has her. Any normal person would have at least faked having her in a place other than the bottom of a junk closet.

Rob didn't do it. Again.

He had an airtight alibi. The police essentially all but ruled him out as a suspect, clinging to the "murder for hire" theory by a thread. Changing the locks was suspicious, but it proves nothing more than he absolutely did not like his stepson and wanted nothing to do with him. I also believe that UM steered this segment towards making Rob look as guilty as possible (panning down to film his hands shaking as he recounted being escorted to the police station to be questioned), although he certainly didn't do himself any favors by saying he paraded around a funeral home with Patrice's skull.

The crime scene does not indicate her husband being involved. Her car was found turned, as if she was leaving, and the 2 witnesses describe another vehicle as if it pulled in and blocked her from leaving. Cash was missing from the salon. Her wedding ring being missing to me is just further evidence of a crime of opportunity. A local known to Patrice is the most likely culprit, IMO. I believe this person was a local for 2 reasons: the location of where Patrice's body was dumped, and the investigator seemed adamant about having someone come forward if they saw someone come home "that night" acting more suspicious than usual. That makes me lean towards a husband/boyfriend of one of Patrice's clients who developed a crush of sorts on her, stopped by the salon and tried to hit on her, she rebuffed him, and then he abducts her at gunpoint and takes the cash and her wedding ring to stage a robbery. Because if it was someone whose intent it was to rob the salon, why remove Patrice from the premises to murder her? Why not just kill her there? This motive was much more personal, IMO.

Rob didn't do it. Again.

:lol::lol::lol:

The perfect quote to bridge the old and new generations of UM...

Here's the thing:

I don't think Rob did it. He's just SUPER SUPER SUPER Weird.

Him admitting to kissing the skeletal remains, sleeping with the box of ashes, and then whipping out the ashes for the camera made me go "The F*** am I watching?!?!".

It was bizarre and that's putting it mildly.

Here's the thing:

I don't think Rob did it. He's just SUPER SUPER SUPER Weird.

Him admitting to kissing the skeletal remains, sleeping with the box of ashes, and then whipping out the ashes for the camera made me go "The F*** am I watching?!?!".

It was bizarre and that's putting it mildly.

The more I think on this one, the more back and forth I am on it. I believe the police said they almost have him ruled out, but not quite. I wasn’t thinking he was involved at all until towards the end when all the strange behavior came up along with the bickering with her son.

It’s completely possible that she was a victim of a random crime (or someone else that knew her) and Rob is just weird. But if he is innocent, he sure didn’t do himself any favors with his behavior on the show.

It’s completely possible that she was a victim of a random crime (or someone else that knew her) and Rob is just weird. But if he is innocent, he sure didn’t do himself any favors with his behavior on the show.

Yes and yes. The Tim McClure comparisons are very accurate in many ways. But I think Rob is innocent.

Rob was much older than Patrice, and when he married her, he obviously out-kicked his coverage. We don't know if he was married before and had other kids but I doubt it. So here is a guy with a decent-looking, much younger wife but she has baggage -- Pistol. The kid is young, used to being spoiled by his mom, and probably not hanging out with the right crowd. Rob put up with it for a while to not rock the boat, but he obviously got more upset as time went on that Pistol was a screw up and that Patrice wasn't disciplining him enough.

His behavior after her murder is dickish and mean, but I think it was probably his grief combined with the fact he didn't need to show Pistol any respect anymore. The funeral home and ashes stuff is beyond bizarre, but he was an old man with a younger wife and I just think he is probably weird. (And maybe another UM spin to make him look worse?)

Rob had everything to lose by killing Patrice and nothing to gain. Even if she was thinking about leaving him, he didn't strike me as the kind of guy who would hire someone to kill her out of spite.

The one odd thing is that they mentioned twice that Patrice seemed "stressed" and "short" with people the day of her murder. Was she expecting someone else and that went south, like an old or new boyfriend, a drug deal, a loan shark, or something else? Could just be a red herring too, but it was interesting how they mentioned it a couple of times.

The one odd thing is that they mentioned twice that Patrice seemed "stressed" and "short" with people the day of her murder. Was she expecting someone else and that went south, like an old or new boyfriend, a drug deal, a loan shark, or something else? Could just be a red herring too, but it was interesting how they mentioned it a couple of times.

What if she was worried Rob knew she wanted to leave? It sounds like she was close to actually leaving him, so he might have picked up on changes in her behavior.

I think it's totally plausible that a friend/relative of Rob's picked her up from her job. She might have played along hoping that Rob and his family didn't know she was planning to leave. Person tells her Rob is going to pick her up later. Given the state of her remains when found, she could have been killed that night or the following morning.

Police have said he has an alibi for the time she was kidnapped but he's also not completely removed from their list of suspects either. I would think, given skeletal remains, they probably can't narrow down time of death to a small time frame either.

2 witnesses said that they saw Patricia with a woman or a man with long hair in front of her salon at the approximate time that she disappeared. This certainly doesn't fit the description of Rob. And there wasn't any evidence presented that he had hired someone to kill Patrice. No mention of life insurance (as a matter of fact, Rob brings up a good point about Patrice being only 38 at the time, so it wasn't even thought about). The guy parades around a room with Patrice's skull, snuggled with her ashes, and changed the locks on his home so his stepson could come back after his mother disappeared. That's all his guilty of, IMO.

The more I think on this one, the more back and forth I am on it. I believe the police said they almost have him ruled out, but not quite. I wasn’t thinking he was involved at all until towards the end when all the strange behavior came up along with the bickering with her son.

It’s completely possible that she was a victim of a random crime (or someone else that knew her) and Rob is just weird. But if he is innocent, he sure didn’t do himself any favors with his behavior on the show.

The police said it would be "difficult but not impossible" for Rob to have done it himself, and that they "haven't found" evidence that he hired someone but implied he could have. Haven't found isn't an exoneration.

What I find interesting about this case is Rob's portrayal of his relationship with Patrice compared with other's peoples' views.

Rob stated on the show that he and Patrice rarely fought. On the other hand, Pistol, Patrice's friends, and sister said that they did fight often in their relatioship. In addition, they said that Rob was controlling towards Patrice. It's also interesting how Rob stated how he doesn't want Pistol, or anyone to have Patrice's remains at the end of the show.

Honestly, after watching the show, I can't help, but think that if Rob couldn't have Patrice, nobody could have Patrice. He's the type of controlling individual that would harm anyone he couldn't control them.

He could have easily ordered a hit on Patrice.

What I find interesting about this case is Rob's portrayal of his relationship with Patrice compared with other's peoples' views.

This is not really uncommon if you consider the circumstances. Statistically, the husband did it. Patrice's friends thinking back to things that they think were "important" to tell the police could have been nothing more than an argument between two spouses.

Rob stated on the show that he and Patrice rarely fought. On the other hand, Pistol, Patrice's friends, and sister said that they did fight often in their relatioship. In addition, they said that Rob was controlling towards Patrice. It's also interesting how Rob stated how he doesn't want Pistol, or anyone to have Patrice's remains at the end of the show.

Now here is an instance where I think Rob was downplaying reality. But the whole remains thing makes it clear that he was a controlling a-hole.

He could have easily ordered a hit on Patrice.

I honestly don't know how "easy" this could have happened. There is no paper trail. There is no evidence of a massive payout of funds. You would think that there would be someone who would have come forward saying that Rob was in the market for someone to murder his wife (a la Dan Montecalvo), but there is nothing. It's not like you can google assassins for hire.

Here's the thing:

I don't think Rob did it. He's just SUPER SUPER SUPER Weird.

Him admitting to kissing the skeletal remains, sleeping with the box of ashes, and then whipping out the ashes for the camera made me go "The F*** am I watching?!?!".

It was bizarre and that's putting it mildly.

He's super weird, yes. But he's also a gigantic a*shole.

If changing the locks was recommended to him by the police because a possible abductor may be out there with Patrice's key, fine. But what purpose does it serve to lock Pistol out immediately to the point where he's banging on the windows just to be let in to get clothing and other items that belonged to him? That's beyond cruel. Even though they did NOT have a great relationship, a mature and logical thinking adult would realize that this 14 year old kid just had the rug pulled out from underneath him and maybe it would be wise to...you know...NOT lock him out in the cold?

Let's remember that Patrice was considered a missing person at this point, not a homicide victim. How exactly would he have explained it to his wife, if she somehow eventually made it home, that he locked her son out of the house?

The ashes. Sleeping with them was weird. But I was more struck by how much delight he took in knowing that he has them and Pistol does not. He even says it plainly.

I'm sorry but f*ck that guy.

This is not really uncommon if you consider the circumstances. Statistically, the husband did it. Patrice's friends thinking back to things that they think were "important" to tell the police could have been nothing more than an argument between two spouses.



Now here is an instance where I think Rob was downplaying reality. But the whole remains thing makes it clear that he was a controlling a-hole.



I honestly don't know how "easy" this could have happened. There is no paper trail. There is no evidence of a massive payout of funds. You would think that there would be someone who would have come forward saying that Rob was in the market for someone to murder his wife (a la Dan Montecalvo), but there is nothing. It's not like you can google assassins for hire.IMO, there's just a lot to unpack from the case. I highly doubt Patrice's friends were merely highlighting one argument between Patrice and Rob. As you said, Rob appears to be a highly controlling a-hole. Usually with a controlling individual like that in a relationship, there's bound to be multiple fights/arguments within a relationship, which are often in public view. It does appear that Rob's reputation was mud for good reason among those close to Patrice.

As for the murder for hire, it's worth pointing out that the case took place in rural Georgia, not high end parts of Los Angeles. Rob easily could have contacts from local scenes like bars and what not. Hell, all he needs to find is a person desperately in need of funds. If the person is desperate enough for money, they might be willing to kill someone. The lack of a paper trail might be due to simple money under the table type deal.

And there wasn't any evidence presented that he had hired someone to kill Patrice. No mention of life insurance (as a matter of fact, Rob brings up a good point about Patrice being only 38 at the time, so it wasn't even thought about).

There's been plenty of women killed for trying to leave their controlling/abusive husbands. Had nothing to do with gaining anything - besides permanent ownership and control over the woman trying to leave. Possession and control on their own have been plenty "reason" for murder.

Her friends and family even say Rob was really nice at first but after they were married things deteriorated - it's SUPER common for marriage to be a trigger for control/abuse. The spouse is comfortable and legally "has" you so they can do whatever they want.

Patrice was a single mother, if she could have afforded it, she would have had life insurance and her son would have been the beneficiary, not Rob. And I cannot imagine Rob being okay with Patrice spending money on life insurance for her son - that could even be why she didn't have the policy in the first place. Couldn't afford it when single, husband won't allow son to be beneficiary.

Rob has a degree in criminology, so I imagine he'd know to avoid some of the obvious links back to himself - and he'd know to point at things like that as proof of his innocence.

And remember, Rob didn't waste any time removing Pistol from his life. For all anyone knew, Patrice could have shown up the next morning and where would Rob be if his wife showed up and her son was out on the pavement? Rob didn't wait a month or a week or even a full DAY before making that move which would have likely annihilated their relationship if Patrice came home and her son wasn't there.

The way he describes that event is like Rob knew he FINALLY didn't have to put up with living with Pistol anymore - and its not even the next day.


As for the murder for hire, it's worth pointing out that the case took place in rural Georgia, not high end parts of Los Angeles. Rob easily could have contacts from local scenes like bars and what not. Hell, all he needs to find is a person desperately in need of funds. If the person is desperate enough for money, they might be willing to kill someone. The lack of a paper trail might be due to simple money under the table type deal.

And, Patrice is a younger minority marrying an old white dude. That's the sort of place where racists would see the marriage as Patrice taking advantage of Rob. I wonder if his degree in criminology comes with contacts with local police, too.

He's super weird, yes. But he's also a gigantic a*shole.

Yes, yes he is.

Let's remember that Patrice was considered a missing person at this point, not a homicide victim. How exactly would he have explained it to his wife, if she somehow eventually made it home, that he locked her son out of the house?

This is a really good point that i totally missed. That makes ZERO sense unless, as you said, it was recommended by the cops. But yeah... I didn't even think about this and that is really weird. Your wife goes missing one day and you change the locks? Hmmm.

Rob clearly became paranoid because he thought his wife was out of his league, and he was right. He did downplay disagreements and tried to paint their marriage as pretty much perfect, which is a little odd. Every couple argues once in a while.

I think he became controlling when he was scared of losing her, as if she would wake up one day and say, "Why the hell am I married to this old, plain, boring guy?" and leave. He knew he'd be lost without her which is why I do NOT think he did it. He really has no motive. I get the "If I can't have her, nobody can" argument but we don't even know she was serious about leaving him.

I say again, the time and place of this crime is risky, even in a small town. To go in and abduct/kill her in the middle of the day while she is working, would be risky as hell. Why not do it when she opens up or closes for the night? Why not wait down the road or at her house? We already know there were witnesses to the car and most likely, the killers. I really think this was a crime of opportunity. Someone either thought they could make quick cash or abduct her, but it was spontaneous.

And remember, Rob didn't waste any time removing Pistol from his life.

Good post! I think you have some valid arguments, even though I think Rob is innocent.

I think Rob really detested Pistol because Patrice gave him attention that Rob wanted (he didn't want to share), he obviously thought Pistol was a f***-up as a kid, and I think he wasn't going to give him an ounce of help when he didn't have to. I think it's weird he changed the locks so quickly and how he treated Pistol was a total dick maneuver.

Rob obviously didn't abduct Patrice, so at worst he contracted to have her abducted and killed. As I mentioned in another post, that would be a very risky plan to do in broad daylight when there might be witnesses around. That's why I don't think Rob was involved.

The cops made a big deal about claiming there were things that only the killer would know, so I'm very curious what that is. Also, I don't believe they ever released a cause of death, which could tell us quite a bit. If it's a hit, I would imagine she would be killed quickly on the spot -- throat slashed, shot, etc. So was she killed at the salon or abducted and killed elsewhere? To me, the method might make a big difference.

Rob was an a-hole, possibly an abuser, and obviously jealous and controlling. But that alone doesn't make him a killer, by his own hands or contract.

Rob obviously didn't abduct Patrice, so at worst he contracted to have her abducted and killed. As I mentioned in another post, that would be a very risky plan to do in broad daylight when there might be witnesses around. That's why I don't think Rob was involved.

The cops made a big deal about claiming there were things that only the killer would know, so I'm very curious what that is. Also, I don't believe they ever released a cause of death, which could tell us quite a bit. If it's a hit, I would imagine she would be killed quickly on the spot -- throat slashed, shot, etc. So was she killed at the salon or abducted and killed elsewhere? To me, the method might make a big difference.


Her salon was on a highway, so it's less likely there would be witnesses.

Here's the address for the salon:
6195 Matt Hwy
Cumming, GA 30028

Address for the church:
4411 Kelly Bridge Rd
Dawsonville, GA 30534

It's a pretty suburban/rural-light location from what I can tell - looks like the sorta place you wouldn't be near unless you lived out there or had an appointment at the salon. The church isn't that far away, either - 10 minute drive and it's deeper into the local/rural area - it's not a main drag that's on the way to a larger city/out of the area.

Seems like the area where most of the traffic passing by would be rush hour, not noon traffic.

So, I don't think broad daylight is as much of a concern for the location as would a salon near other businesses/closer to town.

I'm really curious about what the cops said are details only they and the killer/s would know. The highlighting of the ring not showing up made me wonder if they think someone other than a pawn shop owner might have seen it since her murder.

I've read a few articles where the police involved say that they had a tip recently (like a year or two ago) that confirmed their gut thoughts on the case but wasn't actionable. I wonder if that played into the UM episode and how things were framed.

Her salon was on a highway, so it's less likely there would be witnesses.

Here's the address for the salon:
6195 Matt Hwy
Cumming, GA 30028

Address for the church:
4411 Kelly Bridge Rd
Dawsonville, GA 30534

It's a pretty suburban/rural-light location from what I can tell - looks like the sorta place you wouldn't be near unless you lived out there or had an appointment at the salon. The church isn't that far away, either - 10 minute drive and it's deeper into the local/rural area - it's not a main drag that's on the way to a larger city/out of the area.

Thanks for providing the addresses! It's cool to be able to map those and look around on Google maps.

Yeah, I realize it's a more rural area even at noon compared to a true downtown or busy suburban area, but that still doesn't mean there couldn't be traffic coming by or a customer. There would be almost no way for a contract killer to know her schedule or if any people just walked in for a haircut. You would be taking a really big risk if you went to get her and someone walked in at that moment. We already know there were at least two people who saw the car and people outsider her shop. It just strikes me as taking much bigger risks than necessary.

The ring is another oddity. The cash register was cleaned out so if robbery wasn't the motive, why take the ring? Yes, it helps give the look of a robbery but that is a very specific item that could be traced and would make the person possessing it guilty. Again, if the goal was simply to kill her, it seems like an unnecessary risk.

I think Rob really detested Pistol because Patrice gave him attention that Rob wanted (he didn't want to share), he obviously thought Pistol was a f***-up as a kid, and I think he wasn't going to give him an ounce of help when he didn't have to. I think it's weird he changed the locks so quickly and how he treated Pistol was a total dick maneuver.


While I too got the impression Pistol could be a handful at times and probably needed a little more discipline from his mother, does anyone else also kind of feel that even if Pistol was super well-behaved, Rob still would have hated him? I feel like Pistol's bad behavior was somewhat secondary to Rob's main issue with him — he didn't like "sharing" Patrice and wanted her undivided attention at all times.

I also suspect that Rob may have been the type to sometimes purposely bait Pistol for no good reason and when Pistol would respond in kind, it became "See, Patrice?!? He has no respect! You made him into a spoiled brat!". In such situations (and I don't doubt for a minute that there were more than a few), it's only natural that Patrice would side with her child.

Maybe it's because I kind of see myself in Pistol as an only child who dealt with a stepfather who could sometimes be jealous of my relationship with my mother (I'm also the same age as Pistol), but I feel that Rob did his fair share of bullying his stepson. I don't think that Pistol was some incorrigible monster that Rob made him out to be.

That said, I'm on the fence about Rob's guilt. He for sure is a bully, but bullying does not a murderer make.

While I too got the impression Pistol could be a handful at times and probably needed a little more discipline from his mother, does anyone else also kind of feel that even if Pistol was super well-behaved, Rob still would have hated him? I feel like Pistol's bad behavior was somewhat secondary to Rob's main issue with him — he didn't like "sharing" Patrice and wanted her undivided attention at all times.

Indeed. Also, Pistol was only 8 years old when his mother married Rob. And Pistol said Rob was nice to him for just one year before he started hating him to his face. If you're taking it out on a 9-year old in regards to getting attention from your wife, your priorities are a little deluded.

The guy is a toolbag.

I really think it was one of the serial killers mentioned. It makes sense that a serial killer is driving by, sees only one car, and sets up the scenario about needed a jump start. That would totally explain why her truck was found the way it was. During that process, the person takes the money from the register and either intends to take her or does it because she saw the robbery. The perp drives her just far enough away to get away from people and then kills her.

I agree with this. I don't even necessarily think it was a serial killer, but I do think someone happened upon her and saw an opportunity. The jump start totally makes sense for why her car was like that. It reminded me so much of the Dana Satterfield case. (Now that I looked it up again it wasn't all that similar aside from taking place at a salon :D ). But I'm going with serial killer or rando killer/crime of opportunity. I didn't get guilt from the husband at all, but he was kooky. ETA: As for changing the locks... well if he didn't get along with the step son I thought he maybe thought the son might have had something to do with it and claimed he was scared. I'm not saying that makes it right, but that guy was nutty.

Everyone is making great points. Rob is a piece of s#$t but I don’t think he did it unless we know that Patrice for certain was leaving him (then maybe). I thought maybe some random criminal was holding a gun or knife to her head when she was answering the phone and then killed her.

This episode really dragged for me and is a prime exhibit as to why two 25 -30 minute stories would have worked better than a long solo .

Once you get past the two witnesses who saw a car, Rob's creepiness and the "confessions" there simply wasn't the material to sustain an hour long segment - no "dark side" of Patrice, no cast of viable suspects.

Patrice was abducted during a 13 minute window and murdered sometime after. Rob is weird and unseemly, though has no real motive and is a person of interest and not a suspect. There are two vague witness descriptions of a potential suspect. Her car was parked unusually.

That's it.

While a fascinating and UM-worthy case, I agree that the episode was noticeably padded. Once we got to the third camera angle of Pistol sitting at the top of the stairs and staring pensively in silence for 10 seconds, it was like, “OK.”

There is something to be said how the old UM would tell the story in one segment. You sacrifice some details, but it also makes the story easier to digest and remember.

In this longer format, there is a reduced chance of important details being left out, but it also causes a lot more repetition and padding, which makes it drag.

There is something to be said how the old UM would tell the story in one segment. You sacrifice some details, but it also makes the story easier to digest and remember.

In this longer format, there is a reduced chance of important details being left out, but it also causes a lot more repetition and padding, which makes it drag.

This is obviously splitting it down the middle, but I feel like 20-25 minutes would do the job, 2 stories per ep.

In episode 6 they didn’t tell the audience that she wasn’t reported missing for a few years. Strange detail to leave out.

There is something to be said how the old UM would tell the story in one segment. You sacrifice some details, but it also makes the story easier to digest and remember.

In this longer format, there is a reduced chance of important details being left out, but it also causes a lot more repetition and padding, which makes it drag.

Yes, as a constructed piece of "art" or "entertainment" made to give the illusion, as the original premise did, that one could analyze the evidence oneself and come up with a theory and/or solve the case, the original UM was better. It was more clearly built from the premise that it was an audience-participation show.

I don't know, you guys are talking me into the "it sucks" theory. But for now I still like it.

This episode really dragged for me and is a prime exhibit as to why two 25 -30 minute stories would have worked better than a long solo .

Once you get past the two witnesses who saw a car, Rob's creepiness and the "confessions" there simply wasn't the material to sustain an hour long segment - no "dark side" of Patrice, no cast of viable suspects.

Patrice was abducted during a 13 minute window and murdered sometime after. Rob is weird and unseemly, though has no real motive and is a person of interest and not a suspect. There are two vague witness descriptions of a potential suspect. Her car was parked unusually.

That's it.


Robert Stack spent 15 minutes talking about a rock.

Robert Stack spent 15 minutes talking about a rock.

...and 40 minutes on crop circles.

If the rebooted UM does an episode on the mystery of chocolate, I'm out

There's been plenty of women killed for trying to leave their controlling/abusive husbands. Had nothing to do with gaining anything - besides permanent ownership and control over the woman trying to leave. Possession and control on their own have been plenty "reason" for murder.

Yes there has. And there was evidence which backed up that. None of which is applicable in this case. Patrice and Rob fought over Pistol. Rob was described as controlling by Patrice's friends. Rob had an alibi for the time period that Patrice was abducted. The police looked into the possibility that Rob hired someone to do this, and found nothing. In most "if I can't have you, no one else will!" murder cases, there is added incentive for the motive (custody of children, losing money in a divorce, losing status in society, etc.), none of which are apparent in this case. As a matter of fact, in the years after Patrice's death, in all of the articles I could find pre-social media era (before everything got so biased), Rob was described as nothing more than a grieving husband who attended the trial of the serial killer Jeremy Jones. I couldn't find anything pre-UM which hinted at Rob as being responsible.

This episode features a classic UM “type”. My jaw dropped at some of the things he said.

What a weird dude. Some post compare him to Tim McClure, s very solid comparison. While I was watching the episode he kept reminding me of Al Henderson and his fiance, Jean Moore. Both are absolutely weird guys. Not sure why, but I just don't think Rob did it though. He's guilty of being creepy, weird and probably socially awkward, very socially awkward.
Tim McClure and Al Henderson, those doods are guilty all day!

Robert Stack spent 15 minutes talking about a rock.

:lol:

Bob took one for the team on that one for sure.

This is a really good point that i totally missed. That makes ZERO sense unless, as you said, it was recommended by the cops. But yeah... I didn't even think about this and that is really weird. Your wife goes missing one day and you change the locks? Hmmm.

Rob clearly became paranoid because he thought his wife was out of his league, and he was right. He did downplay disagreements and tried to paint their marriage as pretty much perfect, which is a little odd. Every couple argues once in a while.

I think he became controlling when he was scared of losing her, as if she would wake up one day and say, "Why the hell am I married to this old, plain, boring guy?" and leave. He knew he'd be lost without her which is why I do NOT think he did it. He really has no motive. I get the "If I can't have her, nobody can" argument but we don't even know she was serious about leaving him.

I say again, the time and place of this crime is risky, even in a small town. To go in and abduct/kill her in the middle of the day while she is working, would be risky as hell. Why not do it when she opens up or closes for the night? Why not wait down the road or at her house? We already know there were witnesses to the car and most likely, the killers. I really think this was a crime of opportunity. Someone either thought they could make quick cash or abduct her, but it was spontaneous.

Good thing you turned around because it was really strange how much leeway you were giving Rob.

I don't know if he's guilty or not but that Rob guy is a total a**hole. The way he kicked out the son a day after the wife dissapears and the way he basically says it "because he doesn't like him", it's INSANE. It's a High School kid and the super old man is having a fight and being jealous of a the son. That is horrible. That the guy didn't give a s**t that the boy had lost his mother and all he cared was about himself, shows how selfish the guy is up until today. I also don't buy the act and I don't get why many are criticizing UM for showing the ashe thing when it was the best thing they do. Half an hour of this guy throwing this sob story about how much he adored her and when the guy gets asked to bring out the ashes, he has them stored like I have my Frank Thomas Baseball card collection. Then it comes out how he just wants it to spite Pistol, proving how all he had said was true. He was a possessive a** who truly acted like he owned her and was jealous and insecure and crazy. Like somebody said, f--k that guy.

https://imgur.com/a/BoGNXrp

Found this linked on reddit - curious that they're saying there was life insurance. Though it says the locks were changed the following day, but since Rob says they were changed the same day in the interview as does Pistol, I imagine that's an easy detail to get wrong when you're not the one being barred from the house. Maybe Pistol's stepbrother is remembering the day he got his new house key as the day the locks were changed.

Also, saw a theory that maybe the contents of the cash register were the payoff...I don't know about that.

Another good point was that just because Patrice didn't pick up the phone, doesn't mean she wasn't still there. The window could be larger than 13 minutes.

I think focusing on the 13 minute window is boosting the UM factor for this case and isn't that significant and maybe not even be correct. She could regularly have a lunch hour food run if she didn't take food with her - something her husband would have noticed. IMO, the position of her car makes me think she was interrupted while leaving.

I was wondering if the money in the cash register and the ring could have been payment. Or the ring was proof to Rob the deed was done?

Would explain his changing the locks so quickly if he was knew she wasn't coming back. Still was a dick move to do to a 14 year o!d!

He is a creepy old man though! I wonder if he really did "cuddle" with the box of ashes. By the looks of the box I bet in the closet is where he threw them when he got them from the funeral home.


What he couldn't even manage to put them in a Tupperware or something that might protect them better! And not even share with her only child!!! That pissed me off to no end!

Something tells me when he dies they will find the ring in his belongings. And how do we know he was the one that got the gas and he didn't just give his card to someone as a cover for him?

I was wondering if the money in the cash register and the ring could have been payment. Or the ring was proof to Rob the deed was done?

When I was watching it and Rob's possessiveness, I assumed he kept the ring because it was from him and a symbol of their relationship. I half-expected to see the ring in the bottom of the box of her cremains when I saw him taking the box out from the closet.

The plastic bag they come in is VERY thick plastic and they're very well-protected in that alone. The box is waterproof, too. It's the standard bare-bones package for cremation. He could have paid nothing for it depending on what the city provides for victims of homicide. You can buy an urn online for less than $100 if you don't want to pay the inflated funeral home price.

God did Rob give me the creeps. At bare minimum he was an abusive man who felt he owned Patrice and still does.

He's super weird, yes. But he's also a gigantic a*shole.

If changing the locks was recommended to him by the police because a possible abductor may be out there with Patrice's key, fine. But what purpose does it serve to lock Pistol out immediately to the point where he's banging on the windows just to be let in to get clothing and other items that belonged to him? That's beyond cruel. Even though they did NOT have a great relationship, a mature and logical thinking adult would realize that this 14 year old kid just had the rug pulled out from underneath him and maybe it would be wise to...you know...NOT lock him out in the cold?

Let's remember that Patrice was considered a missing person at this point, not a homicide victim. How exactly would he have explained it to his wife, if she somehow eventually made it home, that he locked her son out of the house?

The ashes. Sleeping with them was weird. But I was more struck by how much delight he took in knowing that he has them and Pistol does not. He even says it plainly.

I'm sorry but f*ck that guy.


There's hate there. It was pretty obvious and it flows both directions.

I don't condone the changing of the locks at least the way it was done.. But, I think Rob wasn't having anything to do with Pistol and he wanted him out of the house and may have had concerns about him stealing.

Pistol even admitted he was a 'handful' in high school.. I think Rob basically just gave up on him and once his mother was gone, didn't want him around anymore.

But.. I will say that this may be the first story where someone seemed to be trying to convince me that he WAS guilty. I immediately thought "Nah, no way" and I had to think more on that as the interview went on.

I still don't think he did it.

Jeremy Jones.. Boy.. Except for the fact that the body was nowhere near where he said.. that's the only hiccup there. Otherwise.. He knew details.. Details that I'd think only the murderer would know.

Jeremy Jones.. Boy.. Except for the fact that the body was nowhere near where he said.. that's the only hiccup there. Otherwise.. He knew details.. Details that I'd think only the murderer would know.

This guy has a long history of false confessions, including in the Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman case in which he claims he kidnapped them and dumped them in mineshafts. He provided information that sounded like it fit, too, but turned out not to be involved at all.

There's hate there. It was pretty obvious and it flows both directions.

I don't condone the changing of the locks at least the way it was done.. But, I think Rob wasn't having anything to do with Pistol and he wanted him out of the house and may have had concerns about him stealing.

Pistol even admitted he was a 'handful' in high school.. I think Rob basically just gave up on him and once his mother was gone, didn't want him around anymore.

But.. I will say that this may be the first story where someone seemed to be trying to convince me that he WAS guilty. I immediately thought "Nah, no way" and I had to think more on that as the interview went on.

I still don't think he did it.

Jeremy Jones.. Boy.. Except for the fact that the body was nowhere near where he said.. that's the only hiccup there. Otherwise.. He knew details.. Details that I'd think only the murderer would know.

He was a handful in HIGH SCHOOL. Because he was a HIGH SCHOOL BOY. This was a grown *ss man, who was even a lot older than the wife and yet acted with less maturity than a high school kid. This was the kid's mother and he locked him out and to this day doesn't want HER SON to get her ashes or to get her stuff because apparently the guy who she was going to get divorced off was more important than her only child.

"Unsolved Mysteries" Co-Creator on Patrice Endres Case
by Rosy Cordero
July 7, 2020


Terry Dunn Meurer is excited that fans have been streaming the new "Unsolved Mysteries" on Netflix since its July 1 debut — not only because it could lead to another season, but because she hopes to bring closure to those dealing with an unsolved mystery.

Meurer, who co-created the original series and the reboot, remains optimistic just a week after the show's premiere as tips relating to some of the 12 new cases have been pouring in.




Georgia hairstylist Patrice Endres disappeared from her salon in April 2004. Her remains were discovered almost two years later, with more questions than answers. In "Unsolved Mysteries'" second episode, "13 Minutes," Endres' husband, Rob Endres, is introduced, and he's a curious subject who speaks his mind. This has led to some viewers speculating on social media that Rob killed his wife, a theory shared by the victim's family.

He has denied such allegations.




"Our goal is to present a balanced story, and I don't express opinions because I don't know," Meurer says.

"We respect Rob and appreciate that he was willing to tell his story. We respect the fact that the police department did thoroughly investigate him and they couldn't find any connection to Patrice's abduction and murder. I don't like to speculate because we are here only to present the facts as we hear them."




Some viewers have also questioned whether the episode was edited and presented in such a way as to make Rob look guilty. Certainly, some of his behavior could be described as unusual: During his interview, he admits to having carried his wife's skull around for some time and cuddling with her ashes.

"Rob is a character since the moment we met him," Meurer says. "We first met him when we scouted this story. But there's also this side to him that's just a normal guy too. I know that he really loved Patrice. He's actually remarried now, to a lovely woman, which is one of the things we didn't talk about in the episode. We didn't include her in the episode because she wasn't around [during the time of the events] and didn't know Patrice."

She adds, "Regarding the editing, we have really long interviews with Rob and [Patrice's son] Pistol Black, and we had to make some choices. We tried to present the best pieces of the interviews to help tell the story. We also develop these people as characters, and Rob is a character. I do believe that Rob was authentic in his interview, and I believe he spoke his mind. I think his character is portrayed authentically."

https://ew.com/tv/unsolved-mysteries-terry-dunn-meurer-rey-rivera-update/

He was a handful in HIGH SCHOOL. Because he was a HIGH SCHOOL BOY. This was a grown *ss man, who was even a lot older than the wife and yet acted with less maturity than a high school kid. This was the kid's mother and he locked him out and to this day doesn't want HER SON to get her ashes or to get her stuff because apparently the guy who she was going to get divorced off was more important than her only child.

My brother passed away last year. He requested of his wife that some of his ashes be placed in our hometown.

We put a marker in the cemetery with our grandparents (He was named after his grandfather).. His wife agreed to have some of the ashes sent to the funeral home to be buried there, all at our expense.

No ashes were ever sent.

Whether it's grief or pettiness.. People do odd things after someone dies.


Him being a grown man doesn't make him exempt from that. He wasn't the boy's father.. Pistol did have a father in the area.. It was right, in my eyes, that is where he should live and who should raise him.

No argument it was handled very poorly. No argument Rob is.. creepy for lack of a better term.

My brother passed away last year. He requested of his wife that some of his ashes be placed in our hometown.

We put a marker in the cemetery with our grandparents (He was named after his grandfather).. His wife agreed to have some of the ashes sent to the funeral home to be buried there, all at our expense.

No ashes were ever sent.

Whether it's grief or pettiness.. People do odd things after someone dies.


Him being a grown man doesn't make him exempt from that. He wasn't the boy's father.. Pistol did have a father in the area.. It was right, in my eyes, that is where he should live and who should raise him.

No argument it was handled very poorly. No argument Rob is.. creepy for lack of a better term.

Raising somebody isn't the same as kicking a person out a day after their mother disappears and keeping all her stuff. Especially when the guy flat out says he doesn't like him. F-- him. Just because he's mourning doesn't mean he should be excused especially compared to the mourning of a kid who lost his mom. If somebody should act like the bigger person, it should be the adult but what can you expect from a guy that totally ends up validating the impression that he was jealous of him and totally possessive of her. Some of the people agreed there was trouble between Rob and Patrice but what everybody agreed was that Patrice loved Pistol and they were very close. That wasn't debatable. And yet Pistol had to be kicked out of his house and not receive anything because HE didn't like him. He's pure garbage.

Raising somebody isn't the same as kicking a person out a day after their mother disappears and keeping all her stuff. Especially when the guy flat out says he doesn't like him. F-- him. Just because he's mourning doesn't mean he should be excused especially compared to the mourning of a kid who lost his mom. If somebody should act like the bigger person, it should be the adult but what can you expect from a guy that totally ends up validating the impression that he was jealous of him and totally possessive of her. Some of the people agreed there was trouble between the Rob and Patrice but what everybody agreed was that Patrice loved Pistol and they were very close. That wasn't debatable. And yet Pistol had to be kicked out of his house and not receive anything because HE didn't like him. He's pure garbage.

This. So this.

It hadn't even been 24 hours yet when he changed the locks. The complete lack of empathy is astounding. Act like a f***ing adult. Let the 14 year old kid in and tell him that you understand if he wants to stay with his birth father until we hear news about your mother. Don't immediately change the locks and then take delight as the step-kid pounds on the doors and windows to be let in to retrieve even the smallest of essentials.

Rob apparently has no shame when it comes to showing his true colors. He wears evil like a badge of honor.

This. So this.

It hadn't even been 24 hours yet when he changed the locks. The complete lack of empathy is astounding. Act like a f***ing adult. Let the 14 year old kid in and tell him that you understand if he wants to stay with his birth father until we hear news about your mother. Don't immediately change the locks and then take delight as the step-kid pounds on the doors and windows to be let in to retrieve even the smallest of essentials.

Rob apparently has no shame when it comes to showing his true colors. He wears evil like a badge of honor.

I really wonder if Pistol was really as badly-behaved as Rob made him seem. Pistol admits that he was no angel, but like I said before, I don't think Rob would have been much nicer to him even if he was. I think to him, Pistol was a nuisance to the marriage by virtue of his existence. Any bad behavior on Pistol's part probably only served as confirmation bias to Rob.

Him being a grown man doesn't make him exempt from that. He wasn't the boy's father.. Pistol did have a father in the area.. It was right, in my eyes, that is where he should live and who should raise him.

No argument it was handled very poorly. No argument Rob is.. creepy for lack of a better term.

His dad wasn't in the area - his dad was in Birmingham, Alabama. It wasn't like Pistol could just go to his dad's across town instead the night of his mom's disappearance. And, his dad had just gotten out of jail earlier that year - not a lot of time to get yourself stable to have your son visit, much less live with you. This isn't a "he sees his dad on the weekends, so going over there when his mom isn't home just makes sense" sort of situation.

This also happened during the school year, so Rob just tossed this kid out not caring about the kid having so much as a picture of his mom, a place to stay until they even KNEW what to do with Pistol, getting his school sorted out, etc.

Pistol left the house that morning and went to school and wasn't allowed in that evening when he got home from school.



Whether it's grief or pettiness.. People do odd things after someone dies.

No one knew she was dead until December 2005.

Unfortunately, being a crappy person isn't a crime. If it was I feel like this dood, and probably many others, would be locked up already. Other than that I don't think there is much connecting him to the murder, unless I missed or have forgotten something.

Unfortunately, being a crappy person isn't a crime.

While this is true, I do wonder if it's legal to lock a kid, a minor, out of his home like that. I don't know what the law states in regards to step parents. But the house had to have been in both Rob and Patrice's name. So what legal right did Rob have in locking him out?

At the very least, child protective services should have been called. And what would Rob's excuse have been? "My wife's been missing for a day so he's outta here!!!". That doesn't hold water. Especially since virtually no time had passed and it was NOT a forgone conclusion that Patrice wasn't coming home at that moment.

Or do these services only apply to bio and legally adopted parents? Step parents have to have SOME type of responsibility and culpability.

While this is true, I do wonder if it's legal to lock a kid, a minor, out of his home like that.

Wasn't Pistol living with his father at the time?

Rob would have been the prime suspect initially and the cops would have looked at him hard. The UM segment insinuates that "something's up with this guy" - but there is just no evidence of his involvement, he has no apparent motive for the crime and the modus operandi doesn't make sense for him (if he wanted to get rid of Patrice, why didn't he do it at home, or when the pair of them were on an outing, rather than at her workplace, during business hours, next to a highway, where a customer could have walked in at any time?) The justice system does not (or at least, should not) operate on vague suspicion.

Having watched 'em all, this is the worst episode of the new series (though Rey Riveria is arguably the most misleading by omission) and the one that would have most benefited from a 30 minute edit. This was a very thin set of facts to base a 55min production around.

Wasn't Pistol living with his father at the time?

No and I'm really not sure where people are getting this from as his dad was in a different state (Alabama).

Pistol was living with his mom and Rob. His dad had just gotten out of prison the same year. When they interview Pistol, Pistol says that when he went home that night, Rob had changed the locks and wouldn't even let him have his own belongings. Pistol is filmed in the house and says that he hasn't been in it since the morning of the day his mom disappeared.

He went to live with his grandfather when Rob kicked him out. He didn't go to live with his dad in Alabama until later.

The imgur link I posted has the wife of one of Rob's sons stating that there was life insurance that Rob kept to himself and that the son she's married to hasn't talked to Rob since Patrice's funeral.

Isn't it possible that Rob legitimately thought Patrice ran off on him, changed the locks out of spite to get back at her (with the hopes that she would then come forward), and then when she doesn't immediately return, he realizes that something terrible had happened to her? This is not an excuse for what he did.

Isn't it possible that Rob legitimately thought Patrice ran off on him, changed the locks out of spite to get back at her (with the hopes that she would then come forward), and then when she doesn't immediately return, he realizes that something terrible had happened to her? This is not an excuse for what he did.

I don't see how this is possible since he claims he didn't know she was unhappy and that the interview was the first he'd heard she'd wanted a divorce. The police were involved from the start.

I'm pretty sure he even says something to the effect of "I changed the locks because we didn't want Pistol back here". I'd have to watch it again though.

I don't see how this is possible since he claims he didn't know she was unhappy and that the interview was the first he'd heard she'd wanted a divorce. The police were involved from the start.

I'm pretty sure he even says something to the effect of "I changed the locks because we didn't want Pistol back here". I'd have to watch it again though.

I think he was downplaying the problems of the marriage in his interview on UM. Here is his quote for his reasoning behind changing the locks:

After Patrice went missing, just as a precautionary measure, I believe I changed all the locks in the house. I didn't want Pistol in the house because I didn't like him. And just to be on the safe side, just go stay somewhere else so then we know you'll be safe, and I'll know I'm not going to have this constant mental drag on me that you're here and I have to put up with your stuff.

Very bizarre way of saying that "my stepchild is a nuisance and I don't want to deal with him while also having to deal with the fact that my wife was abducted."

I think he was downplaying the problems of the marriage in his interview on UM.

"After Patrice went missing, just as a precautionary measure, I believed I changed all the locks in the house. I didn't want Pistol in the house...because the...you know, I didn't like him. And just to be on the safe side, just go stay somewhere else. And then we'll know you'll be safe. And I'll know I won't have this constant mental drag on me that you're here and I have to put up with your stuff." - Rob

I'll also add that in the middle of this, Pistol is describing how he came home to find out the doors were locked and no one would answer the door. So it wasn't planned - and Rob doesn't seem to contradict that at all. Rob didn't say "you go stay at your grandad's/dad's/whoever - just go somewhere else.

Very sad case & terrible crime. As odd & twisted PE's husband was, I don't think he committed the crime. Not because I don't think he's capable of doing something like this, but because he did have a fairly good alibi - and, no - I don't think he hired someone else to do this, either.

I do think it was just a random crime, probably committed by a criminal drifter passing through town. He/she?! figured that the hair salon was enough off the beaten path (given that it was off a road on it's own, and not near any other businesses) so they could do this somewhat undetected. However, why they thought a hair salon would carry a lot of $ is beyond me....

Yeah, the sleeping with the ashes bit is going to propel him near the top of "Weirdest Things People Did on UM." He is certainly an odd duck, which makes her choice to marry him seem weird to me. More on that later...

While were talking about weird, Patrice's son's name is... Pistol? I thought I kept hearing that wrong until I saw it on the screen and thought, "Welp, that's different." I felt bad for the guy, though. He seems lost without his mom and to lose her while he was in high school and in such a horrible manner. Her father was obviously destroyed by this, too. I felt equally bad for him. Oof. :(

Pistol and the husband obviously didn't get along. I chalk that up to stepdad vs. rebellious high school kid with lack of parenting. Patrice obviously loved her son, but I get the impression she wasn't very firm with him. The husband probably played nice for a while but then got tired of it and that's when they started to fight.

As for the husband, Patrice was everything to him, although I do think it was an odd match. She was 20 years younger than him and she was somewhat attractive, while he looked much older and like a plain older man. Maybe they were both tired of being single but it seemed a bit off to me. That said, I really don't think he did it. What would his motive be? He had no life insurance on her and now he is just lonely and sad. He gained nothing. I suppose if she really was going to leave him that might be a motive, but this doesn't seem like a hit. There is too much of a chance for someone to be seen or something to go wrong in the middle of the day.

I really think it was one of the serial killers mentioned. It makes sense that a serial killer is driving by, sees only one car, and sets up the scenario about needed a jump start. That would totally explain why her truck was found the way it was. During that process, the person takes the money from the register and either intends to take her or does it because she saw the robbery. The perp drives her just far enough away to get away from people and then kills her.

The only other thing that strikes me as off, is why would you take her behind that church? Was it for cover? It seems you'd be more likely to be seen there as opposed to an empty field or something. Maybe it was more secluded than it looked, but that choice was off with me.

Another great story though. Well produced and interesting to watch.
I'll admit I am probably somewhat biased here when I tell my story, but I see many similarities between myself and Pistol Black and as such, I really have to sympathize with him much more than Rob. Stepparent vs rebellious high school kid is an over-generalized stereotype. It is perfectly normal (and somewhat necessary) for any teenager to experience rebelliousness and/or arrogance at that age because it is a time when they are molding the foundation of their own identities as they transition into adulthood. Although from an objective point of view, there is no concrete evidence that either of them are responsible for Patrice's fate.

My folks divorced when I was 10 but my folks were always on good terms, especially for the good of my sister and myself. The first guy my mom dated shortly afterwards seemed rough around the edges at first but in short order I discovered his over-intense side which became borderline abuse, especially after he moved into our house but I was too young to understand what was transpiring, because from what I remember there were plenty of times when he offered to me comments that were rather unwarranted/degrading about my sister. This all transpired over the course of my fifth grade year and it wasn't until an incident that happened Easter weekend involving physical handling that caused him to flee the house in my mom's car until the cops forced him back to the house and shortly thereafter, their relationship was officially over.

The next guy my mom dated started when I was in 7th grade and again, he moved into our home in short order and many of the same personality traits from his predecessor began to re-emerge. He was way too involved in our lives, sticking his nose where it didn't belong for years. My grandparents, aunts and uncles even took notice of his mistreatment towards me whenever we would have family get-togethers. It wasn't until my senior year of high school that they got married in a courthouse (an arrangement in which my mom darn-near coerced me into being the guy's "best man", a situation that I wasn't strong enough to stand up against at that age). A couple years later, the recession hit, he was out of work and did nothing but sit on the couch for the better part of a year and a half, although I wasn't there to witness many of the 'incidents of intimidation' happening between him and my mom at home, since I was away at college for most of that time but I could sense there was something going on. It happened around the time of their fourth "anniversary" when I was home on winter break from college that another incident occured while my sister and I were on a brief road trip, which finally prompted my mother to give him the boot and initiate divorce proceedings. I remember it vividly because the day my sister and I returned from our trip and my mom broke the news to us, I immediately felt like Andy Dufresne finishing his crawl through the sewers of Shawshank. On a side note, some years after the guy was no longer in our lives my mom and sister revealed to me that they found out he was doing meth and was involved in some of his (con-artist) of a brother's fraud schemes.

I am not selfish, so it is neither here nor there for me to try inhibiting my mother from romantic pursuits. However, since her previous relationships ended up with disastrous outcomes, in principle I feel it is perfectly fair for me to refuse any association with her romantic partners. I am certainly not judging whoever she is dating because I don't even know the guy, it would simply be a degree of complexity and awkwardness that I cannot get involved in and I don't want to be in a situation where I feel like I have to "compete" for my mother's attention.

From my assessment, Rob was a selfish SOB who cared only about himself and his romantic life than he did about the livelihood of his romantic partner and did not give a crap if it was undermining or degrading the relationship Patrice had with her son (which should have been far more important to her, than a romantic/business arrangement with some random guy). He probably never stopped to think that maybe his presence was the cause of Pistol's rebellious side, because he's just a kid who's growing up to be his own person and (justifiably) felt insulted by the situation of some random guy invading his home and taking over his livelihood. He also never though that maybe he was "poaching" Patrice from her son and that caused

Anybody who does not even have children of their own (like Rob) have absolutely no business whatsoever acting like a parental figure towards somebody else's children; though I will admit that there are rare exceptions when such a relationship dynamic is able to work out amicably but they are so few and far between.

Yeah, the sleeping with the ashes bit is going to propel him near the top of "Weirdest Things People Did on UM." He is certainly an odd duck, which makes her choice to marry him seem weird to me. More on that later...

While were talking about weird, Patrice's son's name is... Pistol? I thought I kept hearing that wrong until I saw it on the screen and thought, "Welp, that's different." I felt bad for the guy, though. He seems lost without his mom and to lose her while he was in high school and in such a horrible manner. Her father was obviously destroyed by this, too. I felt equally bad for him. Oof. :(

Pistol and the husband obviously didn't get along. I chalk that up to stepdad vs. rebellious high school kid with lack of parenting. Patrice obviously loved her son, but I get the impression she wasn't very firm with him. The husband probably played nice for a while but then got tired of it and that's when they started to fight.

As for the husband, Patrice was everything to him, although I do think it was an odd match. She was 20 years younger than him and she was somewhat attractive, while he looked much older and like a plain older man. Maybe they were both tired of being single but it seemed a bit off to me. That said, I really don't think he did it. What would his motive be? He had no life insurance on her and now he is just lonely and sad. He gained nothing. I suppose if she really was going to leave him that might be a motive, but this doesn't seem like a hit. There is too much of a chance for someone to be seen or something to go wrong in the middle of the day.

I really think it was one of the serial killers mentioned. It makes sense that a serial killer is driving by, sees only one car, and sets up the scenario about needed a jump start. That would totally explain why her truck was found the way it was. During that process, the person takes the money from the register and either intends to take her or does it because she saw the robbery. The perp drives her just far enough away to get away from people and then kills her.

The only other thing that strikes me as off, is why would you take her behind that church? Was it for cover? It seems you'd be more likely to be seen there as opposed to an empty field or something. Maybe it was more secluded than it looked, but that choice was off with me.

Another great story though. Well produced and interesting to watch.

While I too got the impression Pistol could be a handful at times and probably needed a little more discipline from his mother, does anyone else also kind of feel that even if Pistol was super well-behaved, Rob still would have hated him? I feel like Pistol's bad behavior was somewhat secondary to Rob's main issue with him — he didn't like "sharing" Patrice and wanted her undivided attention at all times.

I also suspect that Rob may have been the type to sometimes purposely bait Pistol for no good reason and when Pistol would respond in kind, it became "See, Patrice?!? He has no respect! You made him into a spoiled brat!". In such situations (and I don't doubt for a minute that there were more than a few), it's only natural that Patrice would side with her child.

Maybe it's because I kind of see myself in Pistol as an only child who dealt with a stepfather who could sometimes be jealous of my relationship with my mother (I'm also the same age as Pistol), but I feel that Rob did his fair share of bullying his stepson. I don't think that Pistol was some incorrigible monster that Rob made him out to be.

That said, I'm on the fence about Rob's guilt. He for sure is a bully, but bullying does not a murderer make.

I'm totally with you on this one too, even though I'll admit to being somewhat biased. As somebody who dealt with a scumbag-stepfather figure throughout my teens until a stream of incidents that happened between him and my mother while I was away from home prompted her to finally annul the marriage, I totally sympathize with the son in this case. I'm glad that Pistol was able to build an independent life for himself, after dealing with the hardships of losing the most precious person in his life. I also hope that he'll be able to finally have posession of his mother's ashes and belongings once Rob passes away.

Rob probably did not have children of his own and as such, failed to recognize the dynamic between a mother and her only child. He has the vibe of being a selfish bastard and only pegged Pistol Black as "unruly" simply because he was displeased with having to 'compete' for Patrice's attention. He had absolutely no respect whatsoever for the importance of Patrice's relationship with her son. I'm willing to bet his relationships before Patrice were abysmal failures because of his disdainful personality.

The fact that Rob is a selfish, cynical SOB is significant to the story, but irrelevant when it comes to determining his guilt or innocence. Either he had nothing to do with the crime, or he hired somebody from out of town to do it. Either way, I hope karma eventually makes him reap what he sows for his despicable ways.

You ain’t kidding. My wife and I turned to each other and said, “I’m not saying he’s Jule Caylor, but...”

Hooboy.

Wonder how Rob felt about salad bars?

This. So this.

It hadn't even been 24 hours yet when he changed the locks. The complete lack of empathy is astounding. Act like a f***ing adult. Let the 14 year old kid in and tell him that you understand if he wants to stay with his birth father until we hear news about your mother. Don't immediately change the locks and then take delight as the step-kid pounds on the doors and windows to be let in to retrieve even the smallest of essentials.

Rob apparently has no shame when it comes to showing his true colors. He wears evil like a badge of honor.

For me, even today, it just keeps going back to that wedding ring. A robber, or someone in need of money, isn't just going to hide that thing. It was beautiful and obviously worth some funds. Something like that isn't going to go unnoticed. Do I think Rob did it himself? No. Do I think he may have hired someone to do it? Yes. I'm sure he had a way to find out her client schedule and used that as a guide. Getting the ring back was his way of knowing the job was done and control because a guy like him isn't going to let that expensive ring go. It was a symbol of his possession...Patrice.

While this is true, I do wonder if it's legal to lock a kid, a minor, out of his home like that. I don't know what the law states in regards to step parents. But the house had to have been in both Rob and Patrice's name. So what legal right did Rob have in locking him out?

At the very least, child protective services should have been called. And what would Rob's excuse have been? "My wife's been missing for a day so he's outta here!!!". That doesn't hold water. Especially since virtually no time had passed and it was NOT a forgone conclusion that Patrice wasn't coming home at that moment.

Or do these services only apply to bio and legally adopted parents? Step parents have to have SOME type of responsibility and culpability.

It wouldn't surprise me if the house was in Rob's name only. With that, he could, in theory, kick Patrice and Pistol out. However, I'm not sure of the laws in Georgia.