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cfr1970

06-15-2020, 02:24 PM

“The New Girl”

Ahhh! The REAL FOL theme song finally plays again! Yay! :clap:

Tootie has finally learned to walk and enters the cafeteria to hug her bestie Natalie who was busy raiding the continental breakfast area. Learning to walk wasn’t all Tootie learned over the summer as she pulls out a pair of boys shorts from her purse (EW!) to show Nat her prize from “panty raids”. Natalie is impressed but doesn’t ask why the hell she’s keeping some boy’s sweaty shorts in her purse! :eek2:

Blair enters with her makeup bag explaining that the rest of her luggage is being delivered by truck. The emergence of shallow Blair begins! Then for reasons unknown Arnold Drummond starts running around the cafeteria with a lobster that new school Dietician Mrs. Garrett wants to boil for dinner. (Boy they must eat good at Eastland!)

Why the hell is Arnold even there? If school is starting he should be down in the city going to his own school, but I guess NBC really wanted to snag ratings for their retool unveiling and Gary Coleman brought the viewers in.

Mrs. G is in the middle of admonishing the little Urchin when she sees her girls and mid sentence leaves Arnold high & dry to go hug her girls. Blair exclaims “You got so thin!” and Tootie is all “What happened to the other half of you?!” And Mrs. G displays her newly svelte figure all giddy exclaiming that she lost “25 big ones!” from “the new inflation diet where you eat what you can afford!” Ha! :lol:

She does look really good, but her hair is kind of a mess and the high poof is gone. But she still looks really great! Which reminds me of when I was in college and came back from summer break and this fat girl I knew in one of my classes came back looking really thin and as soon as I saw her I was just like Tootie and said---”Wow! You lost so much weight and look really good!”---to which this nasty piece of work says back “Are you saying I was fat?”----LOL---OMG I was completely dumbfounded and had no idea how to respond to this psycho.

I just said nicely, “Well, you lost of lot of weight and look so good. It's a compliment!”---But this nutcase was having none of it and again was like “So you're saying I was fat?!”....OMG! I just said “Yes you were fat!” and walked away because I have no patience for that kind of BS...and she never spoke to me again lol. Seriously, she didn't!….I mean, if you’re going to do all that work to lose weight and someone notices and compliments you….you say THANK YOU!....30 years later I still don’t know what the hell was wrong with that girl and I bet she’s 400 pounds now lol. Some people just cannot take a compliment I guess!

Anyway, we learn that Arnold has a couple days off from school and is visiting with Mrs. G and he takes Tootie away to go feed Claude the Lobster. (I would’ve named him “Louie the Lobster” because that sounds better lol).

And then….we’re treated to the sound of a motorcycle revving outside that Mrs. G exclaims sounds like “The Wild Bunch!” (which I google to find out what the heck that is, and see it’s a Western movie so i’m bewildered why she equates that movie with the sound of a motorcycle revving lol.) :confused:

Then Angry Jo walks in wearing her biker helmet and looking like a 14 year old boy. Blair directs her to where deliveries are supposed to go and Natalie is about to ask “him” to the fall dance lol. And Angry Jo looks like she’s going to punch Nat’s stifling smirk right off her face! This girl is REALLY ANGRY!! :mad:

Mrs. G asks if she’s the new student "Jo" and informs her that she parked her bike on her flower bed. (So Mrs. G is the gardener at Eastland TOO?!) Angry Jo nastily tells her that she thought they were weeds and really doesn’t give a crap that she messed them up. Yiles! She walks away from her while a smiley, giddy Natalie watches in awe and Blair sizes up this filthy little hoodlum and makes fun of her flared jeans to which Jo fires back if she wants to have flared teeth? :eek:

A giddy Natalie informs Jo that everything she wears is flared because she’s fat and Angry Jo gives her a look like “What the hell is wrong with that one?!” lol.

Mrs. G tells the girls to be nice and properly introduce themselves and when Blair shakes Angry Jo’s hand she notices they’re all dirty. EW! She doesn’t wash? Gross!

They go off to look at their dorm assignments and Blair sees that Angry Jo is her roommate but doesn’t know it's her and thinks she’ll need an interpreter since her last name sounds so foreign, (which it does, so it is a natural assumption imo) Angry Jo gets even angrier at that and tells her that her fist will be her interpreter. Ugh...she’s not making a good impression on me...I can’t believe audiences warmed to this chick while watching in 1980.

Angry Jo warns Blair that nobody jokes about her name and Blair replies that they don’t have to since there’s enough laughs in the way she acts…(and I agree lol) Go Blair!

Mrs. G gets in between them to offer some “Meow Mix” before the claws come out and tells Natalie to go and show Angry Jo where to properly park her bike to which Angry Jo says that she wants to park it on Blair’s face. Wow, what is up this girl’s ass? She’s there all of 5 minutes and hates everyone and everything...angry angry angry. :angryfire:angryfire

A still giddy Natalie is all arcastically “She’s a breath of fresh air, isn’t she?” And heads offstage to guffaw before she bursts in laughter in front of the camera. :lol:

Blair lets us know she’s a Gemini which is actually true for Lisa Whelchel being born on 5/29. And she asks Mrs. G how she could do this to her when she admits to her that it was she who suggested they be roommates, and once again Mrs. G works her mastery in manipulation on Blair!

She tells Blair that Jo is really smart and got a 98 (to Blair’s 96) on the entrance exam and has had so many problems at home and Eastland is the perfect place to help her. She tells Blair how perfect she is and someone as perfect as her is just what Angry Jo needs, and Blair gets all soft at hearing how perfect she is and agrees to try and be her friend.

Then we go to Mrs. G’s new room. I guess being the school Dietician gives her a nicer bedroom over the kitchen. She’s bringing flowers inside with Angry Jo trailing behind her apologizing for killing her flower bed and offers electrical tape that she weirdly keeps on her belt loop to hold them together.

She starts to complain about “Barbie Doll” Blair who probably says “I love you to herself” when you wind her up but Mrs. G is now going to work her magic on Angry Jo telling her not to jump to conclusions about her and that you can’t judge books by covers and she has a heart of gold. (ok she doesn’t say that but she should about judging books by covers because Angry Jo is a perfect example of that one.)

Blair enters the room (is Mrs. G’s bedroom just open to everyone?!) and Mrs. G sees this as an opportunity for the two to share that bowl of Meow Mix together instead of fighting over it lol. She leaves the room to let the two form their everlasting bond with each other! :love:

Jo knows what’s going on and asks Blair if Mrs. G was working on her too and Blair admits it but still says she wants to try and be friends but Angry Jo is still a major angry bitch. I mean, even when Blair nicely says “My Jordaches are your Jordaches", Angry Jo is like “You don’t mind me taking them in?!” Wow! Nasty!

Here's Blair extending a hand in friendship and this nasty C word girl insults her. Really, audiences must’ve really hated her in this episode because she doesn’t even TRY to make nice and hogs the whole bowl of Meow Mix all for herself! Blair looks both hurt and insulted when she says that too. :(

Tootie then comes in with Annoying Arnold who wants to show her where he bunks with Mrs. G while he visits. It’s actually clever having someone shorter than Tootie there now that she’s off her skates lol. Tootie tells Annoying Arnold that his work is done and he’s drawn in the viewers and they don’t need him anymore and shoos him out the door to be annoying on his own show. (sorry, not a fan of him! And don’t even get me started on that Webster kid lol!)

Tootie introduces herself to Angry Jo who’s surprisingly pleasant back to her. I was expecting her to growl at her too but she doesn’t. Instead, she asks where to find the boys and the booze lol. And Natalie guffaws into the room exclaiming she’s just in time for the good stuff when hearing that and plants herself in a chair to tell Blair to tell Angry Jo all about “preppy heaven” Bates Academy.

But Angry Jo doesn’t want boys...she wants MEN! But then she and Blair fling that bowl of Meow Mix out the window and begin insulting each other back and forth to the immense delight of Natalie & Tootie who are looking on in glee at the claw fest. Blair then tells Angry Jo she she’s lucky they don’t move in the same circles or she’d show her that men would easily go for her “Rolls Royce” over Angry Jo’s “motorbike”.

Tootie then pipes up that she could actually show her by going to the Chugalug Bar that’s loaded with college guys. Blair, who doesn’t seem to want to take up the challenge says they’re underage and can’t get in to which Angry Jo shows her the fake ID she has and can make one up for Blair.

She then peruses through her endless wallet pictures for the perfect one to use which annoys Angry Jo who shouts “Who Cares?! Is it a deal or isn’t it?” and a reluctant Blair is all hesitatingly, “It’s a deal” and shakes her greasy dirty hand again.

Mrs. G returns and sees them shaking hands and asks “So you decided to room together?” and Tootie is all “They're gonna do all kinds of things together.”....and i’m not touching that one because it's the joke is too obvious lol. :lol:

They all leave to go to their dorms and a happy Mrs. G is glad that they fought and made up.

Down in the cafeteria Angry Jo confirms to Blair that they’re going to the bar that night and Tootie confirms she’ll be ready too and Blair is like “excuse me?” And Tootie says that she and Nat are going with them but Blair is like, they'll never pass for 18 but Tootie just wants to look through the window at all the action inside. :lol:

Blair is like “Absolutely not” but Tootie blackmails her with her gossipy mouth and Angry Jo is all “Will she squeal?” (Oh she really doesn’t know Tootie does she? lol) Blair confirms that she will and Angry Jo is all “fine with me: to bring them along. But Blair, still trying to get out of this, says how the bar is 5 miles away and she’s certainly not riding on the back of her motorcycle but Jo just says they’ll steal the van parked outside.

Tootie is all thrilled about this and even Blair is hesitant, but doesn’t protest the idea, and Natalie is smiling from ear to ear as usual. They’re talking about hotwiring and stealing a van from the school and no one is even thinking this will get them in trouble! Yikes! These aren't the Four Musketeers, but The Four Sociopaths! :eek:

We fade out to a 1980 commercial and come back to the outside of the Chugalug Bar where Blair is telling Angry Jo the stolen van is fine where she parked it. And we see Angry Jo in high heels walking awkwardly in them which immediately tells me this girl’s tough act is all show because if this were old hat to her, she’d be able to walk in them from past experience and then we find out it IS all an act because when Blair suggests Jo go in first. Angry Jo isn’t so angry anymore, but afraid, and is all trepidatiously “Ok, unless you want to?” Oh you little phony you! Right there Blair should've called her on it!

Tootie has had enough and tells them to stop yapping and get in there and get some studs! They walk inside and their fake id’s work and they take a look at some average looking guy who Angry Jo calls “not bad” and Blair actually calls “gorgeous” (lol) at the bar who looks 30 if he’s a day. This guy looks completely NOT Blair’s type but whatever...she tells Angry Jo he looks too old for her which is true. He looks like he’s got 3 kids at home!

They sit at the bar where Angry Jo orders “two brews” but Blair corrects her and says “One brew, i’ll have a beer.” LOL...she can’t be that ignorant!! This is the rebel who smoked behind the couch last season...surely she knows what a brew is! See how they changed her and took all her rebel-ness away and gave it all to Angry Jo?! The line was funny though.

They then cut to a close up of some serial killer looking guy who looks at the two of them like he can’t wait to get them both chained up in his basement lol. The 30 year old with 3 kids introduces himself as Brad and creepily puts his arms around both of them to say the “beautiful ones travel in pairs.” EW! Run children...RUN!! This is a creep bar if I ever saw one...It looks absolutely nothing like a college bar at all but instead like a place where young girls go and are never seen alive again.

We cut to Mrs. G reading “War & Peace” on her bed and is more than halfway finished with that 1,300 page book. (I don’t have the patience for books that long. No way!) But I guess doing leg ups while reading helps the time fly by like Mrs. G is doing lol.

Ugh, Annoying Arnold is back to tell Mrs. G he hasn’t spent much time with Tootie and will probably be 90 by the time he finally gets to bang her. Mrs. G says she’s probably too busy settling into her room and they can go bowling together if he wants to. But Annoying Arnold tells her those girls are not settling in but stole the van and headed for the Chugalug Bar to find the boys and the booze!

A horrified Mrs. G grabs her coat and flees out the door. I’m surprised she didn't pick up the phone to call the Headmaster or the police. I mean, first instincts should tell her to do this is they’ve gotten into an accident or worse. It’s a little odd that she seems to choose to take care of this herself. What if they’re lying in a ditch before they even got to the bar?

Back at the Chugalug, creepy 30 year old guy is guessing which school the girls are from and strangely never mentions Langley College lol. I guess it wasn't dreamed up by the writers yet. He guesses Sarah Lawrence for Angry Jo and “Secretarial School” for Blair which sets her off big time at being compared to a secretary! :lol:

She starts yelling at him about Warner Textile MIlls and he then assumes she’s a factory worker lol. And that sends Blair flying over the edge when she gets hysterical for being called such a lowly, horrible thing and Nat & Tootie can see the action from the outside and thinks he said something awful to her and Tootie is all “I’m going in!” Oh good lord….for what?!

They both burst into the place like they own it and Tootie is all “Ok turkey, what did you say to our friend?!” Oh Tootie you idiot lol. Blair tries to pass Nat & Tootie as her sisters and just then an angry Mrs. Garrett bursts in all “GIRLS!!!!” and demands to know what the hell is going on! Tootie is all “Group sleepwalking?” And then the 30 year old creep announces that he’s the police and is taking them all to jail. Then a series of events occur to make everything go from bad to worse!

Mrs. G tries to reason with creepy 30 year old cop but puts her foot in her mouth when she offers too much information by mentioning the stolen van lol. Before that, I think she could’ve got him to let them go in her custody. But when he hears that part, he has no choice now but to take them to jail.

Just then we hear a loud crash outside and Mrs. G, already knowing what that sound was, asks “Girls...where is that van?” And Angry Jo assures her she parked it real carefully outside. But creepy 30 year old cop is like “That’s no street. That’s a one way alley”...which makes absolutely no sense because Jo didn’t say it was a street and if it’s a one way alley, how could someone else have crashed into it since it’s an alley and no one is supposed to be driving down it? So technically, the person who just crashed should be arrested too!

And where did all the other bar people park?

Anyway, Tootie is all “We are in troublllllle!” The cop says he’s taking them in and Mrs. G accuses him of entrapment (uh, it’s actually not!) and Natalie angrily pushes him and Tootie pours a whole pitcher of beer over his head. OMG what the hell’s wrong with them two?! Tootie just SAID she knows they’re in trouble and then proceeds to pour beer all over his head?! Is she mental?!

The creepy 30 year old cop is now LIVID and is taking them ALL to jail and throwing away the key forever as the action freeze frames and “To Be Continued” flashes across the screen lol.

A great episode that sets up the new Core Four and the true start of the series for many. I have to admit that i’m one of them and view season 1 as the FOL “prequel” and this is where the main series begins.

I have to admit though that I don’t like Angry Jo in the beginning here, although we do see by the end of the episode that her whole tough girl schtick is just an act by how she’s hesitant to enter the bar. So I think that kind of softened her up to the audiences to get them to accept her.

Part 2 coming next….there’s so much action in this one that I just couldn't cram it all into one review!!

RetroGuy2000

06-15-2020, 02:45 PM

GREAT, hilarious review, CFR! No rush on the next one; take your time. We can wait. :)

80s Dude

06-15-2020, 04:32 PM

Then Angry Jo walks in wearing her biker helmet and looking like a 14 year old boy. Blair directs her to where deliveries are supposed to go and Natalie is about to ask “him” to the fall dance lol. And Angry Jo looks like she’s going to punch Nat’s stifling smirk right off her face! This girl is REALLY ANGRY!!

Did you know what "Angry Jo" was what the writers allegedly nicknamed Nancy M., according to Andy Borowitz who wrote for the series in it's mid seasons?

cfr1970

06-15-2020, 04:51 PM

Did you know what "Angry Jo" was what the writers allegedly nicknamed Nancy M., according to Andy Borowitz who wrote for the series in it's mid seasons?

This is actually where I lifted it from lol. I don't know who said it, but there's a recent post here mentioning the story above and while watching today, I remembered it and felt it fits perfectly for her because she is so damn angry! :mad::bash:

I guess we find out in part 2 why she's this mad. I mean, she got a 98 on her entrance exam and is going to a good school that's going to give her opportunity--so why so angry?!

And I just thought about this now---how on earth did a 15 year old girl ride a motorcycle from The Bronx to Peekskill without getting arrested? It's against the law to do that at her age!!! I can't believe it didn't enter my mind until now.

Has anyone questioned this incredible error?! 15 year olds cannot legally ride motorcycles on the streets, much less the highways driving from county to county!!

And where was her mother? I know she busts her butt as a waitress but surely she could've taken a day off to bring her daughter to the school she's working so hard to put her in.

cfr1970

06-15-2020, 04:52 PM

GREAT, hilarious review, CFR! No rush on the next one; take your time. We can wait. :)

Thanks Retro! :wave:

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80s Dude

06-15-2020, 05:28 PM

This is actually where I lifted it from lol. I don't know who said it, but there's a recent post here mentioning the story above and while watching today, I remembered it and felt it fits perfectly for her because she is so damn angry! :mad::bash:

I guess we find out in part 2 why she's this mad. I mean, she got a 98 on her entrance exam and is going to a good school that's going to give her opportunity--so why so angry?!

And I just thought about this now---how on earth did a 15 year old girl ride a motorcycle from The Bronx to Peekskill without getting arrested? It's against the law to do that at her age!!! I can't believe it didn't enter my mind until now.

Has anyone questioned this incredible error?! 15 year olds cannot legally ride motorcycles on the streets, much less the highways driving from county to county!!

And where was her mother? I know she busts her butt as a waitress but surely she could've taken a day off to bring her daughter to the school she's working so hard to put her in.

Since when does Angry Jo obeys laws, LOL? In later reasons she drives her motorcycle in winter and in snowstorms.

cfr1970

06-15-2020, 05:42 PM

Since when does Angry Jo obeys laws, LOL? In later reasons she drives her motorcycle in winter and in snowstorms.

Which only reinforces the little sociopath that she is in the beginning. I also place blame on Mrs. G and the school for not questioning how this 15 year old girl is riding to school from The Bronx on a motorcycle! She wouldn't even have a learner's permit much less s full fledged driver's license and driving that on school property makes them responsible and liable for her.

In reality, that bike would've been immediately confiscated from her until she was of legal age to use it. And this actually makes her mother kind of a sociopath too for allowing her 15 year old daughter to ride a Harley by herself from The Bronx all the way up to Peekskill with her luggage over her shoulder. :lol:

Lorimar Television

06-15-2020, 05:50 PM

Which reminds me of when I was in college and came back from summer break and this fat girl I knew in one of my classes came back looking really thin and as soon as I saw her I was just like Tootie and said---”Wow! You lost so much weight and look really good!”---to which this nasty piece of work says back “Are you saying I was fat?”----LOL---OMG I was completely dumbfounded and had no idea how to respond to this psycho.

I just said nicely, “Well, you lost of lot of weight and look so good. It's a compliment!”---But this nutcase was having none of it and again was like “So you're saying I was fat?!”....OMG! I just said “Yes you were fat!” and walked away because I have no patience for that kind of BS...and she never spoke to me again lol. Seriously, she didn't!….I mean, if you’re going to do all that work to lose weight and someone notices and compliments you….you say THANK YOU!....30 years later I still don’t know what the hell was wrong with that girl and I bet she’s 400 pounds now lol. Some people just cannot take a compliment I guess!

OMG CFR :eek: you can say she looks good but dont comment on a woman's weight or tell her she's fat! Just say, "no i just see you lost weight and think you look great" or something. Its just the way it goes ;)

Lorimar Television

06-15-2020, 06:01 PM

"Angry Jo" HAHAHA! :brent She really is quite a bitch in this episode! If only we had Sue Ann to team up with Blair and put her in her place! :(

cfr1970

06-15-2020, 06:17 PM

OMG CFR :eek: you can say she looks good but dont comment on a woman's weight or tell her she's fat! Just say, "no i just see you lost weight and think you look great" or something. Its just the way it goes ;)

LOL NO!! You misread! Of course I would never say that! But when I repeatedly told her "You lost weight and look great!!", she kept on saying "So you're saying I was fat?!" until I knew she wasn't gonna let that go so I just agreed with her and said "YES! YOU WERE FAT!" and walked away because it's obviously all she wanted to hear!

People like that are psycho because a normal person would've been like Mrs. G and accepted the compliment, showed off her svelte figure and moved on. Only a head case would react the way that girl did. :lol:

cfr1970

06-15-2020, 06:21 PM

"Angry Jo" HAHAHA! :brent She really is quite a bitch in this episode! If only we had Sue Ann to team up with Blair and put her in her place! :(

Sue Ann would've taken that girl by the ponytail and set her straight quickly. I bet she's taken dozens of "Angry Jo's" behind the barn back in Kansas and tossed them down in the haystacks without breaking a sweat! :lol:

valentina warner

06-15-2020, 08:36 PM

“The New Girl”

Ahhh! The REAL FOL theme song finally plays again! Yay!

Tootie has finally learned to walk and enters the cafeteria to hug her bestie Natalie who was busy raiding the continental breakfast area. Learning to walk wasn’t all Tootie learned over the summer as she pulls out a pair of boys shorts from her purse (EW!) to show Nat her prize from “panty raids”. Natalie is impressed but doesn’t ask why the hell she’s keeping some boy’s sweaty shorts in her purse!

Blair enters with her makeup bag explaining that the rest of her luggage is being delivered by truck. The emergence of shallow Blair begins! Then for reasons unknown Arnold Drummond starts running around the cafeteria with a lobster that new school Dietician Mrs. Garrett wants to boil for dinner. (Boy they must eat good at Eastland!)

Why the hell is Arnold even there? If school is starting he should be down in the city going to his own school, but I guess NBC really wanted to snag ratings for their retool unveiling and Gary Coleman brought the viewers in.

Mrs. G is in the middle of admonishing the little Urchin when she sees her girls and mid sentence leaves Arnold high & dry to go hug her girls. Blair exclaims “You got so thin!” and Tootie is all “What happened to the other half of you?!” And Mrs. G displays her newly svelte figure all giddy exclaiming that she lost “25 big ones!” from “the new inflation diet where you eat what you can afford!” Ha!

She does look really good, but her hair is kind of a mess and the high poof is gone. But she still looks really great! Which reminds me of when I was in college and came back from summer break and this fat girl I knew in one of my classes came back looking really thin and as soon as I saw her I was just like Tootie and said---”Wow! You lost so much weight and look really good!”---to which this nasty piece of work says back “Are you saying I was fat?”----LOL---OMG I was completely dumbfounded and had no idea how to respond to this psycho.

I just said nicely, “Well, you lost of lot of weight and look so good. It's a compliment!”---But this nutcase was having none of it and again was like “So you're saying I was fat?!”....OMG! I just said “Yes you were fat!” and walked away because I have no patience for that kind of BS...and she never spoke to me again lol. Seriously, she didn't!….I mean, if you’re going to do all that work to lose weight and someone notices and compliments you….you say THANK YOU!....30 years later I still don’t know what the hell was wrong with that girl and I bet she’s 400 pounds now lol. Some people just cannot take a compliment I guess!

Anyway, we learn that Arnold has a couple days off from school and is visiting with Mrs. G and he takes Tootie away to go feed Claude the Lobster. (I would’ve named him “Louie the Lobster” because that sounds better lol).

And then….we’re treated to the sound of a motorcycle revving outside that Mrs. G exclaims sounds like “The Wild Bunch!” (which I google to find out what the heck that is, and see it’s a Western movie so i’m bewildered why she equates that movie with the sound of a motorcycle revving lol.)

Then Angry Jo walks in wearing her biker helmet and looking like a 14 year old boy. Blair directs her to where deliveries are supposed to go and Natalie is about to ask “him” to the fall dance lol. And Angry Jo looks like she’s going to punch Nat’s stifling smirk right off her face! This girl is REALLY ANGRY!!

Mrs. G asks if she’s the new student "Jo" and informs her that she parked her bike on her flower bed. (So Mrs. G is the gardener at Eastland TOO?!) Angry Jo nastily tells her that she thought they were weeds and really doesn’t give a crap that she messed them up. Yiles! She walks away from her while a smiley, giddy Natalie watches in awe and Blair sizes up this filthy little hoodlum and makes fun of her flared jeans to which Jo fires back if she wants to have flared teeth?

A giddy Natalie informs Jo that everything she wears is flared because she’s fat and Angry Jo gives her a look like “What the hell is wrong with that one?!” lol.

Mrs. G tells the girls to be nice and properly introduce themselves and when Blair shakes Angry Jo’s hand she notices they’re all dirty. EW! She doesn’t wash? Gross!

They go off to look at their dorm assignments and Blair sees that Angry Jo is her roommate but doesn’t know it's her and thinks she’ll need an interpreter since her last name sounds so foreign, (which it does, so it is a natural assumption imo) Angry Jo gets even angrier at that and tells her that her fist will be her interpreter. Ugh...she’s not making a good impression on me...I can’t believe audiences warmed to this chick while watching in 1980.

Angry Jo warns Blair that nobody jokes about her name and Blair replies that they don’t have to since there’s enough laughs in the way she acts…(and I agree lol) Go Blair!

Mrs. G gets in between them to offer some “Meow Mix” before the claws come out and tells Natalie to go and show Angry Jo where to properly park her bike to which Angry Jo says that she wants to park it on Blair’s face. Wow, what is up this girl’s ass? She’s there all of 5 minutes and hates everyone and everything...angry angry angry.

A still giddy Natalie is all arcastically “She’s a breath of fresh air, isn’t she?” And heads offstage to guffaw before she bursts in laughter in front of the camera.

Blair lets us know she’s a Gemini which is actually true for Lisa Whelchel being born on 5/29. And she asks Mrs. G how she could do this to her when she admits to her that it was she who suggested they be roommates, and once again Mrs. G works her mastery in manipulation on Blair!

She tells Blair that Jo is really smart and got a 98 (to Blair’s 96) on the entrance exam and has had so many problems at home and Eastland is the perfect place to help her. She tells Blair how perfect she is and someone as perfect as her is just what Angry Jo needs, and Blair gets all soft at hearing how perfect she is and agrees to try and be her friend.

Then we go to Mrs. G’s new room. I guess being the school Dietician gives her a nicer bedroom over the kitchen. She’s bringing flowers inside with Angry Jo trailing behind her apologizing for killing her flower bed and offers electrical tape that she weirdly keeps on her belt loop to hold them together.

She starts to complain about “Barbie Doll” Blair who probably says “I love you to herself” when you wind her up but Mrs. G is now going to work her magic on Angry Jo telling her not to jump to conclusions about her and that you can’t judge books by covers and she has a heart of gold. (ok she doesn’t say that but she should about judging books by covers because Angry Jo is a perfect example of that one.)

Blair enters the room (is Mrs. G’s bedroom just open to everyone?!) and Mrs. G sees this as an opportunity for the two to share that bowl of Meow Mix together instead of fighting over it lol. She leaves the room to let the two form their everlasting bond with each other!

Jo knows what’s going on and asks Blair if Mrs. G was working on her too and Blair admits it but still says she wants to try and be friends but Angry Jo is still a major angry bitch. I mean, even when Blair nicely says “My Jordaches are your Jordaches", Angry Jo is like “You don’t mind me taking them in?!” Wow! Nasty!

Here's Blair extending a hand in friendship and this nasty C word girl insults her. Really, audiences must’ve really hated her in this episode because she doesn’t even TRY to make nice and hogs the whole bowl of Meow Mix all for herself! Blair looks both hurt and insulted when she says that too.

Tootie then comes in with Annoying Arnold who wants to show her where he bunks with Mrs. G while he visits. It’s actually clever having someone shorter than Tootie there now that she’s off her skates lol. Tootie tells Annoying Arnold that his work is done and he’s drawn in the viewers and they don’t need him anymore and shoos him out the door to be annoying on his own show. (sorry, not a fan of him! And don’t even get me started on that Webster kid lol!)

Tootie introduces herself to Angry Jo who’s surprisingly pleasant back to her. I was expecting her to growl at her too but she doesn’t. Instead, she asks where to find the boys and the booze lol. And Natalie guffaws into the room exclaiming she’s just in time for the good stuff when hearing that and plants herself in a chair to tell Blair to tell Angry Jo all about “preppy heaven” Bates Academy.

But Angry Jo doesn’t want boys...she wants MEN! But then she and Blair fling that bowl of Meow Mix out the window and begin insulting each other back and forth to the immense delight of Natalie & Tootie who are looking on in glee at the claw fest. Blair then tells Angry Jo she she’s lucky they don’t move in the same circles or she’d show her that men would easily go for her “Rolls Royce” over Angry Jo’s “motorbike”.

Tootie then pipes up that she could actually show her by going to the Chugalug Bar that’s loaded with college guys. Blair, who doesn’t seem to want to take up the challenge says they’re underage and can’t get in to which Angry Jo shows her the fake ID she has and can make one up for Blair.

She then peruses through her endless wallet pictures for the perfect one to use which annoys Angry Jo who shouts “Who Cares?! Is it a deal or isn’t it?” and a reluctant Blair is all hesitatingly, “It’s a deal” and shakes her greasy dirty hand again.

Mrs. G returns and sees them shaking hands and asks “So you decided to room together?” and Tootie is all “They're gonna do all kinds of things together.”....and i’m not touching that one because it's the joke is too obvious lol.

They all leave to go to their dorms and a happy Mrs. G is glad that they fought and made up.

Down in the cafeteria Angry Jo confirms to Blair that they’re going to the bar that night and Tootie confirms she’ll be ready too and Blair is like “excuse me?” And Tootie says that she and Nat are going with them but Blair is like, they'll never pass for 18 but Tootie just wants to look through the window at all the action inside.

Blair is like “Absolutely not” but Tootie blackmails her with her gossipy mouth and Angry Jo is all “Will she squeal?” (Oh she really doesn’t know Tootie does she? lol) Blair confirms that she will and Angry Jo is all “fine with me: to bring them along. But Blair, still trying to get out of this, says how the bar is 5 miles away and she’s certainly not riding on the back of her motorcycle but Jo just says they’ll steal the van parked outside.

Tootie is all thrilled about this and even Blair is hesitant, but doesn’t protest the idea, and Natalie is smiling from ear to ear as usual. They’re talking about hotwiring and stealing a van from the school and no one is even thinking this will get them in trouble! Yikes! These aren't the Four Musketeers, but The Four Sociopaths!

We fade out to a 1980 commercial and come back to the outside of the Chugalug Bar where Blair is telling Angry Jo the stolen van is fine where she parked it. And we see Angry Jo in high heels walking awkwardly in them which immediately tells me this girl’s tough act is all show because if this were old hat to her, she’d be able to walk in them from past experience and then we find out it IS all an act because when Blair suggests Jo go in first. Angry Jo isn’t so angry anymore, but afraid, and is all trepidatiously “Ok, unless you want to?” Oh you little phony you! Right there Blair should've called her on it!

Tootie has had enough and tells them to stop yapping and get in there and get some studs! They walk inside and their fake id’s work and they take a look at some average looking guy who Angry Jo calls “not bad” and Blair actually calls “gorgeous” (lol) at the bar who looks 30 if he’s a day. This guy looks completely NOT Blair’s type but whatever...she tells Angry Jo he looks too old for her which is true. He looks like he’s got 3 kids at home!

They sit at the bar where Angry Jo orders “two brews” but Blair corrects her and says “One brew, i’ll have a beer.” LOL...she can’t be that ignorant!! This is the rebel who smoked behind the couch last season...surely she knows what a brew is! See how they changed her and took all her rebel-ness away and gave it all to Angry Jo?! The line was funny though.

They then cut to a close up of some serial killer looking guy who looks at the two of them like he can’t wait to get them both chained up in his basement lol. The 30 year old with 3 kids introduces himself as Brad and creepily puts his arms around both of them to say the “beautiful ones travel in pairs.” EW! Run children...RUN!! This is a creep bar if I ever saw one...It looks absolutely nothing like a college bar at all but instead like a place where young girls go and are never seen alive again.

We cut to Mrs. G reading “War & Peace” on her bed and is more than halfway finished with that 1,300 page book. (I don’t have the patience for books that long. No way!) But I guess doing leg ups while reading helps the time fly by like Mrs. G is doing lol.

Ugh, Annoying Arnold is back to tell Mrs. G he hasn’t spent much time with Tootie and will probably be 90 by the time he finally gets to bang her. Mrs. G says she’s probably too busy settling into her room and they can go bowling together if he wants to. But Annoying Arnold tells her those girls are not settling in but stole the van and headed for the Chugalug Bar to find the boys and the booze!

A horrified Mrs. G grabs her coat and flees out the door. I’m surprised she didn't pick up the phone to call the Headmaster or the police. I mean, first instincts should tell her to do this is they’ve gotten into an accident or worse. It’s a little odd that she seems to choose to take care of this herself. What if they’re lying in a ditch before they even got to the bar?

Back at the Chugalug, creepy 30 year old guy is guessing which school the girls are from and strangely never mentions Langley College lol. I guess it wasn't dreamed up by the writers yet. He guesses Sarah Lawrence for Angry Jo and “Secretarial School” for Blair which sets her off big time at being compared to a secretary!

She starts yelling at him about Warner Textile MIlls and he then assumes she’s a factory worker lol. And that sends Blair flying over the edge when she gets hysterical for being called such a lowly, horrible thing and Nat & Tootie can see the action from the outside and thinks he said something awful to her and Tootie is all “I’m going in!” Oh good lord….for what?!

They both burst into the place like they own it and Tootie is all “Ok turkey, what did you say to our friend?!” Oh Tootie you idiot lol. Blair tries to pass Nat & Tootie as her sisters and just then an angry Mrs. Garrett bursts in all “GIRLS!!!!” and demands to know what the hell is going on! Tootie is all “Group sleepwalking?” And then the 30 year old creep announces that he’s the police and is taking them all to jail. Then a series of events occur to make everything go from bad to worse!

Mrs. G tries to reason with creepy 30 year old cop but puts her foot in her mouth when she offers too much information by mentioning the stolen van lol. Before that, I think she could’ve got him to let them go in her custody. But when he hears that part, he has no choice now but to take them to jail.

Just then we hear a loud crash outside and Mrs. G, already knowing what that sound was, asks “Girls...where is that van?” And Angry Jo assures her she parked it real carefully outside. But creepy 30 year old cop is like “That’s no street. That’s a one way alley”...which makes absolutely no sense because Jo didn’t say it was a street and if it’s a one way alley, how could someone else have crashed into it since it’s an alley and no one is supposed to be driving down it? So technically, the person who just crashed should be arrested too!

And where did all the other bar people park?

Anyway, Tootie is all “We are in troublllllle!” The cop says he’s taking them in and Mrs. G accuses him of entrapment (uh, it’s actually not!) and Natalie angrily pushes him and Tootie pours a whole pitcher of beer over his head. OMG what the hell’s wrong with them two?! Tootie just SAID she knows they’re in trouble and then proceeds to pour beer all over his head?! Is she mental?!

The creepy 30 year old cop is now LIVID and is taking them ALL to jail and throwing away the key forever as the action freeze frames and “To Be Continued” flashes across the screen lol.

A great episode that sets up the new Core Four and the true start of the series for many. I have to admit that i’m one of them and view season 1 as the FOL “prequel” and this is where the main series begins.

I have to admit though that I don’t like Angry Jo in the beginning here, although we do see by the end of the episode that her whole tough girl schtick is just an act by how she’s hesitant to enter the bar. So I think that kind of softened her up to the audiences to get them to accept her.

Part 2 coming next….there’s so much action in this one that I just couldn't cram it all into one review!!

Hello cfr1970!!!!

It's season 2 time now: I guess JO hasn't made quite an impression on you hee hee!!! (you make her sound like an angry bird lol!)

The NEW BLAIR is very unconvincing and i don't understand why she got nicknamed as shallow right away???? (BOOTSIE was the shallow one!).
I mean, just because BLAIR likes to look good and is fashionable doesn't turn her into a shallow person, does it?
And yes, MRS G once again manipulates BLAIR for her own good, when she decides to pair her up with a 'Barbarian Bronx girl': i always thought she was very clever in forcing two opposite girls to become friends by rooming them together!!!! (our now 'slim feisty ginger hair' is a genius!!!!):clap

MRS G could see right through people: she knew that BLAIR was too spoiled for her own good, and that she needed someone from a poor background to show her the values of life.
Likewise, she probably thought that JO needed BLAIR to softens her up, and show her that 'appearances aren't always what it seems, that you can become friends with the person you least expect, and that there is more to BLAIR than meets the eyes.....:love:

Whats more: I don't believe for a minute that BLAIR was reluctant at all to go to the 'Chugalug bar'! (remember she's the 'rebel with a golden heart?').
On the contrary, BLAIR seemed to be delighted to break the rules, and prove to that new BRONX GIRL that she wasn't a chicken!!!!!
But of course, our NEW PAMPERED PRINCESS has to look her best, and so she takes a while to choose a photo to JO biggest dismay who is losing patience:
"Who cares????":rotflmao:

Meanwhile, our juniors TOOTIE and NAT are delighted with this new girl who seems to bring out the worse in BLAIR!!!!
They also know, that you can't go wrong by hanging out with the older girls because this is where the fun begins!!!!!
(In fact, TOOTIE is an expert at blackmailing BLAIR!!!!!)party:party

What MRS G doesn't realize though, is that she will have her hands full with two troublesome teenagers and her two little sisters for the next 8 years!!!!:rofl::rofl:

The last scene at the 'Chugalag bar' is a classic: a 30 year old man (married with 3 children as you said) starts flirting with both teenage girls, and when BLAIR becomes outraged when he calls her a 'working girl'.
And when TOOTIE + NAT walk inside the bar, he asks "who are those kids?" and BLAIR replies:
"These are my little sisters!" (while putting her arms around their shoulders) you can see how caring and protective she is of her little friends......:grouphug:

Of course when MRS G walks in and spots her 4 girls, the first thing she says is "Blair, i want an explanation!" (instinctively she blames our 'rebel from season 1'):nonono::nonono:

And you're right about JO: i think she doesn't want to give BLAIR a chance to get her to know her at first (all she sees is a Barbie doll who says 'I love you to herself!') but once our 'rebel season 1 girl' challenges her, and accepts to go to the bar with fake IDS and agrees to steal the school van, i believe she is INTRIGUED by the Barbie doll and here begins the friendship between the rich kid with the golden heart and the Bronx tough kid with a soft heart.....:loveya::loveya:

'The new girl' is actually my favourite episode from season 2, and i can understand why it is so popular among the fans......

Nevertheless, for me the REAL FOL begins with the pilot 'The girls school' and the introduction of the REBEL GIRL WITH THE HEART OF GOLD.....:bighug:

By the way: i have start watching a program called ONE STEP BEYOND (it's a 1950 s/ early 60 s paranormal series inspired by the TWILIGHT ZONE).
Have you ever heard of it?
My dad is the one who introduced me to it, and you'll never guess in a million years (or maybe you will) who had an episode:
CLORIS LEAHMAN!!!!! (when i saw her i was like 'Oh my god what's BEVERLY ANN doing there!!!! And she looked so young and pretty too!!!):trio

PS: the writers have definitely transferred the rebelliousness from our BLAIR and pass it on to ANGRY JO boohoo!!!! (but we know better, don't we?)

:birthday::birthday:

Lorimar Television

06-15-2020, 08:50 PM

LOL NO!! You misread! Of course I would never say that! But when I repeatedly told her "You lost weight and look great!!", she kept on saying "So you're saying I was fat?!" until I knew she wasn't gonna let that go so I just agreed with her and said "YES! YOU WERE FAT!" and walked away because it's obviously all she wanted to hear!

People like that are psycho because a normal person would've been like Mrs. G and accepted the compliment, showed off her svelte figure and moved on. Only a head case would react the way that girl did. :lol:

Hahahahaha

Lorimar Television

06-15-2020, 08:51 PM

Sue Ann would've taken that girl by the ponytail and set her straight quickly. I bet she's taken dozens of "Angry Jo's" behind the barn back in Kansas and tossed them down in the haystacks without breaking a sweat! :lol:

Yep she’s give her a shiner and then dunk her face in rice pudding! ;)

cfr1970

06-15-2020, 10:46 PM

Hello cfr1970!!!!

It's season 2 time now: I guess JO hasn't made quite an impression on you hee hee!!! (you make her sound like an angry bird lol!)

The NEW BLAIR is very unconvincing and i don't understand why she got nicknamed as shallow right away???? (BOOTSIE was the shallow one!).
I mean, just because BLAIR likes to look good and is fashionable doesn't turn her into a shallow person, does it?
And yes, MRS G once again manipulates BLAIR for her own good, when she decides to pair her up with a 'Barbarian Bronx girl': i always thought she was very clever in forcing two opposite girls to become friends by rooming them together!!!! (our now 'slim feisty ginger hair' is a genius!!!!):clap

MRS G could see right through people: she knew that BLAIR was too spoiled for her own good, and that she needed someone from a poor background to show her the values of life.
Likewise, she probably thought that JO needed BLAIR to softens her up, and show her that 'appearances aren't always what it seems, that you can become friends with the person you least expect, and that there is more to BLAIR than meets the eyes.....:love:

Whats more: I don't believe for a minute that BLAIR was reluctant at all to go to the 'Chugalug bar'! (remember she's the 'rebel with a golden heart?').
On the contrary, BLAIR seemed to be delighted to break the rules, and prove to that new BRONX GIRL that she wasn't a chicken!!!!!
But of course, our NEW PAMPERED PRINCESS has to look her best, and so she takes a while to choose a photo to JO biggest dismay who is losing patience:
"Who cares????":rotflmao:

Meanwhile, our juniors TOOTIE and NAT are delighted with this new girl who seems to bring out the worse in BLAIR!!!!
They also know, that you can't go wrong by hanging out with the older girls because this is where the fun begins!!!!!
(In fact, TOOTIE is an expert at blackmailing BLAIR!!!!!)party:party

What MRS G doesn't realize though, is that she will have her hands full with two troublesome teenagers and her two little sisters for the next 8 years!!!!:rofl::rofl:

The last scene at the 'Chugalag bar' is a classic: a 30 year old man (married with 3 children as you said) starts flirting with both teenage girls, and when BLAIR becomes outraged when he calls her a 'working girl'.
And when TOOTIE + NAT walk inside the bar, he asks "who are those kids?" and BLAIR replies:
"These are my little sisters!" (while putting her arms around their shoulders) you can see how caring and protective she is of her little friends......:grouphug:

Of course when MRS G walks in and spots her 4 girls, the first thing she says is "Blair, i want an explanation!" (instinctively she blames our 'rebel from season 1'):nonono::nonono:

And you're right about JO: i think she doesn't want to give BLAIR a chance to get her to know her at first (all she sees is a Barbie doll who says 'I love you to herself!') but once our 'rebel season 1 girl' challenges her, and accepts to go to the bar with fake IDS and agrees to steal the school van, i believe she is INTRIGUED by the Barbie doll and here begins the friendship between the rich kid with the golden heart and the Bronx tough kid with a soft heart.....:loveya::loveya:

'The new girl' is actually my favourite episode from season 2, and i can understand why it is so popular among the fans......

Nevertheless, for me the REAL FOL begins with the pilot 'The girls school' and the introduction of the REBEL GIRL WITH THE HEART OF GOLD.....:bighug:

By the way: i have start watching a program called ONE STEP BEYOND (it's a 1950 s/ early 60 s paranormal series inspired by the TWILIGHT ZONE).
Have you ever heard of it?
My dad is the one who introduced me to it, and you'll never guess in a million years (or maybe you will) who had an episode:
CLORIS LEAHMAN!!!!! (when i saw her i was like 'Oh my god what's BEVERLY ANN doing there!!!! And she looked so young and pretty too!!!):trio

PS: the writers have definitely transferred the rebelliousness from our BLAIR and pass it on to ANGRY JO boohoo!!!! (but we know better, don't we?)

:birthday::birthday:

I believe Blair definitely was reluctant to go to the Chugalug. When Tootie first brought the bar up, Blair says sternly "Thank you, Tootie!" for putting the idea in Angry Jo's head. She doesn't want to do this and remember, she's no longer "the rebel" this season anymore. That's been passed onto Angry Jo now.

Blair is now more "Bootsie" than rebel caring about her looks, her clothes more than breaking the rules. That's Angry Jo's turf now and Blair cares more about trucking in her luggage from home lol.

Also, if you watch the scene in the cafeteria, she seems reluctant again to go ahead with the plan because she mentions that the bar is 5 miles away and there's no way to get there, and that she's not getting on the back of Angry Jo's bike. She thinks this could be her out until Angry Jo says she'll hotwire the van, and when Nat & Tootie are all in with Angry Jo Blair has no choice at this point or look like the weak and scared one in front of them all.

Blair doesn't really want to do it and feels that she has to at this point. Her rebelness has left with season 1 and this is the beginning of her "Bootsie" mode.

80s Dude

06-15-2020, 10:49 PM

Sue Ann definitely could have teach Jo on how to punch Blair more realistically.

cfr1970

06-15-2020, 10:53 PM

BTW valentina, I too just saw Cloris Leachman on an old show last week. She was on "The Donna Reed Show" which was an early '60's sitcom and she looked so young! :eek:

I have to look up One Step Beyond. I never heard of that one but if it's like Twilight Zone i'd probably enjoy it. I finally watched Nightmare on Elm St. on Saturday and didn't like it as much as the early Friday the 13th films. I just don't find Freddy Kruegar scary at all. I think he's a clownish buffoon and Jason is much scarier! omg:omg:omg:

:cow::cow::cow:

cfr1970

06-15-2020, 10:55 PM

Sue Ann definitely could have teach Jo on how to punch Blair more realistically.

Jo punches Blair?! :eek:

I don't remember that!

valentina warner

06-16-2020, 03:58 PM

I believe Blair definitely was reluctant to go to the Chugalug. When Tootie first brought the bar up, Blair says sternly "Thank you, Tootie!" for putting the idea in Angry Jo's head. She doesn't want to do this and remember, she's no longer "the rebel" this season anymore. That's been passed onto Angry Jo now.

Blair is now more "Bootsie" than rebel caring about her looks, her clothes more than breaking the rules. That's Angry Jo's turf now and Blair cares more about trucking in her luggage from home lol.

Also, if you watch the scene in the cafeteria, she seems reluctant again to go ahead with the plan because she mentions that the bar is 5 miles away and there's no way to get there, and that she's not getting on the back of Angry Jo's bike. She thinks this could be her out until Angry Jo says she'll hotwire the van, and when Nat & Tootie are all in with Angry Jo Blair has no choice at this point or look like the weak and scared one in front of them all.

Blair doesn't really want to do it and feels that she has to at this point. Her rebelness has left with season 1 and this is the beginning of her "Bootsie" mode.

Maybe i have a way of looking things differently, but i don't believe for a minute that BLAIR was in the BOOTSIE mood (even though her rebellious ways were transferred to ANGRY JO): BLAIR was caring and had a heart of gold, whereas BOOTSIE was manipulative!!!!!:bash::bash::bash:

And i still think BLAIR was trying to challenge ANGRY JO by accepting to go to the 'Chugalug bar': (she just didn't want to ride on her motorbike and that's understandable!!!!) I mean, now she was caring more about her looks, but deep down i still believe she had some rebel in her...otherwise she would have just said no, or come up with some lame excuses lol!!!! Instead she wanted to make sure she got the right photo, cos that's our NEW VAIN BLAIR now!!!!!:hello:hello:hello

I miss the OLD BLAIR though: the 'rebel with the heart of gold', and that is why i will always cherish the pilot 'The girls school' and season 1!!!! (i want REBEL ADVENTUROUS BLAIR back!!!!):crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

:violin::violin::violin:

valentina warner

06-16-2020, 08:44 PM

BTW valentina, I too just saw Cloris Leachman on an old show last week. She was on "The Donna Reed Show" which was an early '60's sitcom and she looked so young!

I have to look up One Step Beyond. I never heard of that one but if it's like Twilight Zone i'd probably enjoy it. I finally watched Nightmare on Elm St. on Saturday and didn't like it as much as the early Friday the 13th films. I just don't find Freddy Kruegar scary at all. I think he's a clownish buffoon and Jason is much scarier! omg:omg:omg:

:cow::cow::cow:

Hey cfr1970 you're right about FREDDY KRUEGER looking like a clown: JASON from FRIDAY THE 13TH was a lot more scarier, and especially part 1, 2 and 3 (that's the one with DINAH BECKER!!!!!):devil::devil::devil:

pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:

PS: ONE STEP BEYOND was an inspiration from 'THE TWILIGHT ZONE', but it never gained the same success. It was based on true events though...:ufo::ufo::ufo:

Christopher

06-17-2020, 12:03 PM

I finally watched Nightmare on Elm St. on Saturday and didn't like it as much as the early Friday the 13th films. I just don't find Freddy Kruegar scary at all. I think he's a clownish buffoon and Jason is much scarier! omg:omg:omg:

Hey cfr1970 you're right about FREDDY KRUEGER looking like a clown: JASON from FRIDAY THE 13TH was a lot more scarier, and especially part 1, 2 and 3 (that's the one with DINAH BECKER!!!!!):devil::devil::devil:

Oh this hurts :faint::facepalm: If I may offer my perspective on Freddy and Jason :p I agree Freddy is perceived as a man who has fun with his kills, but that's what makes him scarier than Jason IMO. To Freddy, his kills have to be creative and enjoyable for him to keep killing. He's a true psychopath. With Jason, his kills were always the same with that machete. There was no creativity. Plus it was always with the camp counselors right when they have sex so it was predictable who Jason was going to target :lol: I love Freddy. I like that every movie was different. They really went into Freddy's history as the sequels went on. I like we got to see how Freddy became himself. I don't care for Nightmare on Elm Street 2 that much, but 3 - 6 are really good. I hope you both stick with finishing the series :)

Also cfr, when are you starting the Final Destination series? I love 1, 2, and 5 of that franchise. The Scream movies are also good if you find those 4 on sale :D

80s Dude

06-17-2020, 01:13 PM

Jo punches Blair?! :eek:

I don't remember that!

It's in season 4. I won't say which episode since you don't like spoilers.

cfr1970

06-17-2020, 01:39 PM

Oh this hurts :faint::facepalm: If I may offer my perspective on Freddy and Jason :p I agree Freddy is perceived as a man who has fun with his kills, but that's what makes him scarier than Jason IMO. To Freddy, his kills have to be creative and enjoyable for him to keep killing. He's a true psychopath. With Jason, his kills were always the same with that machete. There was no creativity. Plus it was always with the camp counselors right when they have sex so it was predictable who Jason was going to target :lol: I love Freddy. I like that every movie was different. They really went into Freddy's history as the sequels went on. I like we got to see how Freddy became himself. I don't care for Nightmare on Elm Street 2 that much, but 3 - 6 are really good. I hope you both stick with finishing the series :)

Also cfr, when are you starting the Final Destination series? I love 1, 2, and 5 of that franchise. The Scream movies are also good if you find those 4 on sale :D

There were a few surprise kills with Jason....in one of them, there's this nerdy girl who was clearly a virgin and when she hid from Jason, I thought she'd get away since it went against the pattern, but he got the poor virgin and I was sad about that one because she didn't deserve it. But she seemed to be ABOUT to get laid so I guess Jason was being preventative there. :lol:

Also, there were "regular" types of people out of the Crystal Lake area that got it from him---one was this poor heavyweight woman just sitting on the side of the road not bothering anyone who got whacked by Jason. So he did branch out from just killing horny teens.

I find him more menacing because he never speaks whereas Freddy cracks jokes which imo takes away from the fear factor...had he been silent, I think I would've found him more scary.

I'm definitely going to finish the series. After all I bought them lol. And since I literally haven't seen then since the 80's in theaters I want to go through them all.
There's one I clearly remember in my head that I saw in theaters where a girl is turned into a fish before she's killed? I don't know which one it is but that's the one I can't wait to see again because I remember me and my friends laughing at how silly it was when we saw it. :lol:

I'm so backed up on my movie viewing because i'm buying used dvd's off e bay like crazy lately and they're stacking up now. But i'm sticking to one horror each Saturday night so should be done with the series by August and then start the Final Destinations...I really love those and can watch them again and again. My favorites of that one are the first one and the one on the highway which I think was the 2nd one?

cfr1970

06-17-2020, 01:44 PM

It's in season 4. I won't say which episode since you don't like spoilers.

Part of me wants to ask but I wont. (so start a new thread if you guys want to discuss this punch in depth. But please not here! :nonono::nonono:)

I'm trying to remember this but drawing a complete blank. I'm guessing it's an accident like when Sue Ann did it, but don't say it! This is why I love revisiting old shows I haven't seen in ages because they're "new" to me all over again and it's a lot of fun that way. :lol: :crazy:

cfr1970

06-17-2020, 01:50 PM

The Scream movies are also good if you find those 4 on sale :D

Thanks for reminding me of that franchise! Yes, that's going on my list too. I have to search E bay for used copies of those films and i'll always remember when I saw the first Scream.

Me and a friend flew to California to appear on The Price is Right. (we didn't get called up to play :() but we rented a car for the week and drove out to Vegas for New Year's Eve '96 into '97, and then to Santa Barbara afterwards where we saw Scream one night at a downtown theater that was SO packed people were sitting on the steps in the aisles lol. It was such a fun experience watching the film in such a crowded theater and I always think about that memory when I think of Scream. Good times! :crazy::cool:

Christopher

06-17-2020, 03:12 PM

There were a few surprise kills with Jason....in one of them, there's this nerdy girl who was clearly a virgin and when she hid from Jason, I thought she'd get away since it went against the pattern, but he got the poor virgin and I was sad about that one because she didn't deserve it. But she seemed to be ABOUT to get laid so I guess Jason was being preventative there. :lol:

:rotflmao: I have all the Jason movies, but it's hard to stay interested when rewatching them. I wish he'd talk. I think if he had clever lines like Ghostface and Freddy, I might have liked them better. Or even better actors. I find Michael Myers boring, but Jamie Lee Curtis and Danielle Harris kept me watching the sequels with them.

I find him more menacing because he never speaks whereas Freddy cracks jokes which imo takes away from the fear factor...had he been silent, I think I would've found him more scary.

I like the crazy jokes from Freddy. His kills are a work of art because he has so many ways to torture someone before they die. One of the best kills from Freddy is when he rips the veins out of a boy's arms and uses them to walk him around like he's a puppet on a string. It's clever and unique for a horror villain. At least I thought so. I also like that the special effects in some of the movies (definitely not all) were pretty cool for its' time.

I'm definitely going to finish the series. After all I bought them lol. And since I literally haven't seen then since the 80's in theaters I want to go through them all.
There's one I clearly remember in my head that I saw in theaters where a girl is turned into a fish before she's killed? I don't know which one it is but that's the one I can't wait to see again because I remember me and my friends laughing at how silly it was when we saw it. :lol:

Yay! I'm glad you're going to finish. I watch this series every October and always fall in love with them year after year. They hold a special place in me because Freddy is the first horror villain I remember seeing when I was kid. It was part 6 with Roseanne and her lame ass husband in real life during that time ohno: She was really desperate for attention to be with Arnold IMO.

I don't recall a girl being turned into a fish. I know this annoying Rocky type girl was turned into a bug in her dream before Freddy killed her. Is that it?

I'm so backed up on my movie viewing because i'm buying used dvd's off e bay like crazy lately and they're stacking up now. But i'm sticking to one horror each Saturday night so should be done with the series by August and then start the Final Destinations...I really love those and can watch them again and again. My favorites of that one are the first one and the one on the highway which I think was the 2nd one?

Yeah buy all you can get because pretty soon a lot of our stuff will be out of print because of political correctness. The highway scene is from part 2. 3 is ok, but 4 has got to be the worst. I like 5 because of the surprise ending. That made it in the top 3 of the FD movies for me.

Thanks for reminding me of that franchise! Yes, that's going on my list too. I have to search E bay for used copies of those films and i'll always remember when I saw the first Scream.

Horror genre is my specialty. If you like gore, the Wrong Turn series is pretty good. The first one with Eliza Dushku will always be the best. Part 4 is pretty decent and 6 is true to the redneck hillbilly stereotype you hear about. I like the Halloween movies with Jamie Lee Curtis and Danielle Harris. Although, I don't like the Rob Zombie versions of Halloween even though Danielle Harris is in those. You can tell by the first one Rob did that he was definitely trying to get his wife in the spotlight. I never finished the Saw series, but 2 and 3 are really good in that one. 2 had a surprise ending that I didn't see coming which made me need to see 3 to find out how that all came into effect. It reminded me of Sleepaway Camp when we find out who the killer is at the end. I love movies like those that blow you away with reveals you couldn't expect. The Leprechaun series is fun. He even goes to space like Jason in one of them :lol:

If you can find these horror TV series, Harper's Island is good and so is Dead of Summer. Slasher the TV series is good too. I like seasons 1 and 2 the best.

Me and a friend flew to California to appear on The Price is Right. (we didn't get called up to play :() but we rented a car for the week and drove out to Vegas for New Year's Eve '96 into '97, and then to Santa Barbara afterwards where we saw Scream one night at a downtown theater that was SO packed people were sitting on the steps in the aisles lol. It was such a fun experience watching the film in such a crowded theater and I always think about that memory when I think of Scream. Good times! :crazy::cool:

That would have been awesome if you could have gotten to play on The Price is Right. I miss Bob Barker as the host. I don't care for Drew Carey.

I never went to the theaters to see the Scream series, or any horror movie. People talk too much in theaters. I could see me yelling at them to shut up. The only movie I went to the theater to see, and more than twice because I wanted it to do well, was Dark Shadows. That was a waste because of what Johnny Depp did to the story of the show.

cfr1970

06-17-2020, 04:00 PM

cfr1970

06-17-2020, 04:19 PM

:rotflmao: I have all the Jason movies, but it's hard to stay interested when rewatching them. I wish he'd talk. I think if he had clever lines like Ghostface and Freddy, I might have liked them better. Or even better actors. I find Michael Myers boring, but Jamie Lee Curtis and Danielle Harris kept me watching the sequels with them.

The Halloweens I can only watch are Parts 1, 2 and H20. The rest of them imo don't exist. And there's no way in hell i'll ever see that latest one they did where Jamie Lee's character goes all Linda Hamilton/Terminator waiting 40 years for Michael's return and basically erasing parts 2 and H20. You CAN'T DO THAT! And I don't care who disagrees with me about it....what they effectively did with that film was kill the whole series.

But I will continue to ignore it's existence and continue to watch 1, 2, and H20 every Halloween. pumpkin:

I like the crazy jokes from Freddy. His kills are a work of art because he has so many ways to torture someone before they die. One of the best kills from Freddy is when he rips the veins out of a boy's arms and uses them to walk him around like he's a puppet on a string. It's clever and unique for a horror villain. At least I thought so. I also like that the special effects in some of the movies (definitely not all) were pretty cool for its' time.

I have a vague recollection of that scene and it'll be fun to watch all these again because there's so much i've forgotten.

Yay! I'm glad you're going to finish. I watch this series every October and always fall in love with them year after year. They hold a special place in me because Freddy is the first horror villain I remember seeing when I was kid. It was part 6 with Roseanne and her lame ass husband in real life during that time ohno: She was really desperate for attention to be with Arnold IMO.

Roseanne was in one of the Freddy films?! What?! I don't recall that at all. :eek:

I don't recall a girl being turned into a fish. I know this annoying Rocky type girl was turned into a bug in her dream before Freddy killed her. Is that it?

I think that's it...a bug. I know there was a girl turned into something and it had to be that then. Though i'm still picturing a fish and I have no idea why....maybe it was another 80's horror film?

Yeah buy all you can get because pretty soon a lot of our stuff will be out of print because of political correctness. The highway scene is from part 2. 3 is ok, but 4 has got to be the worst. I like 5 because of the surprise ending. That made it in the top 3 of the FD movies for me.

This is exactly why i'm snatching things up because a lot of stuff is going to be either removed completely, "revised" or given "introduction speeches" that viewers won't be able to FF on. So if you want TV shows and films in their original forms, now is the time to get them before they're altered or even disappeared forever.

Horror genre is my specialty. If you like gore, the Wrong Turn series is pretty good. The first one with Eliza Dushku will always be the best. Part 4 is pretty decent and 6 is true to the redneck hillbilly stereotype you hear about. I like the Halloween movies with Jamie Lee Curtis and Danielle Harris. Although, I don't like the Rob Zombie versions of Halloween even though Danielle Harris is in those. You can tell by the first one Rob did that he was definitely trying to get his wife in the spotlight. I never finished the Saw series, but 2 and 3 are really good in that one. 2 had a surprise ending that I didn't see coming which made me need to see 3 to find out how that all came into effect. It reminded me of Sleepaway Camp when we find out who the killer is at the end. I love movies like those that blow you away with reveals you couldn't expect. The Leprechaun series is fun. He even goes to space like Jason in one of them :lol:

If you can find these horror TV series, Harper's Island is good and so is Dead of Summer. Slasher the TV series is good too. I like seasons 1 and 2 the best.

I saw the first 2 Wrong Turns many years ago and the Saw series just got more gross as they went on. The first one is the best imo. I was one of the few viewers who stuck with Harper's Island till the end when it aired in 2009 and really enjoyed it and was shocked when we found out who the killer was at the end! :eek:

That would have been awesome if you could have gotten to play on The Price is Right. I miss Bob Barker as the host. I don't care for Drew Carey.

I miss him too and feel that TPIR died when Drew Carey took over. I never tuned in after he left and never will. He was a terrible choice to replace ol' Bob. :(

I never went to the theaters to see the Scream series, or any horror movie. People talk too much in theaters. I could see me yelling at them to shut up. The only movie I went to the theater to see, and more than twice because I wanted it to do well, was Dark Shadows. That was a waste because of what Johnny Depp did to the story of the show.

I just can't watch anything Depp is in. His scene chewing is always so over the top that it's laughable and too distracting to ever take whatever film he's in serious.

Christopher

06-17-2020, 06:03 PM

The Halloweens I can only watch are Parts 1, 2 and H20. The rest of them imo don't exist. And there's no way in hell i'll ever see that latest one they did where Jamie Lee's character goes all Linda Hamilton/Terminator waiting 40 years for Michael's return and basically erasing parts 2 and H20. You CAN'T DO THAT! And I don't care who disagrees with me about it....what they effectively did with that film was kill the whole series.

But I will continue to ignore it's existence and continue to watch 1, 2, and H20 every Halloween. pumpkin:

1 and H20 are the best IMO. 2 is alright but not enough Jamie for me. I agree Jamie's character was changed far too drastically in the latest one. She turned her whole house into a trap for Michael. Seriously? That seemed too far fetch. At least she was realistic in H20. I love Jamie Lee Curtis's acting so I'll keep watching her Halloween movies no matter how dumb they may appear.

Roseanne was in one of the Freddy films?! What?! I don't recall that at all. :eek:

It's in Freddy's Dead The Final Nightmare which is part 6 of the series. It's a cameo appearance with Tom.

I think that's it...a bug. I know there was a girl turned into something and it had to be that then. Though i'm still picturing a fish and I have no idea why....maybe it was another 80's horror film?

Or it could be the legendary Don Knotts in The Incredible Mr. Limpet ;):p

This is exactly why i'm snatching things up because a lot of stuff is going to be either removed completely, "revised" or given "introduction speeches" that viewers won't be able to FF on. So if you want TV shows and films in their original forms, now is the time to get them before they're altered or even disappeared forever.

That's why I'm so glad I bought All in The Family and The Jeffersons when I did. I can see them stop selling Norman Lear's shows because of the language that was used. We're lucky we had the shows we did at the time they were made because they would not make it in today's world. Even Shameless has become PC over the recent seasons. It's nothing like it was the first 5 or 7 years.

I saw the first 2 Wrong Turns many years ago and the Saw series just got more gross as they went on. The first one is the best imo. I was one of the few viewers who stuck with Harper's Island till the end when it aired in 2009 and really enjoyed it and was shocked when we found out who the killer was at the end! :eek:

I stuck with Harper's Island. I even have the DVD set that was released of the show. Since you do like slasher stories, the series Slasher would be a good one for you. The first two seasons are good. Season 3 is very PC.

I just can't watch anything Depp is in. His scene chewing is always so over the top that it's laughable and too distracting to ever take whatever film he's in serious.

You really pay attention to what actors and actresses do when acting :lol: I don't watch enough Johnny movies to notice the chewing.

80s Dude

06-17-2020, 06:03 PM

“The New Girl Pt. 2”

This review will be a bit shorter than usual because it’s taking so long to write them up that i’m falling behind on other things! So i’ll just make a few observations until I can get caught up!

Angry Jo in the jail cell threatening Big Bertha to give Blair back her watch was like a chihuahua barking at a pit bull. Bertha would’ve clearly torn Angry Jo to shreds and it was hilarious how she so quickly backed down from the barking ponytailed little doggie. In reality, that wouldn't have happened and Jo would be laying in the hospital’s Expensive Care! :lol:

But Angry Jo is just that...all bark and no bite! Look at how quickly she dissolved in a puddle of tears just because some Mean Girl said a few nasty words to her. If Angry Jo were for real, that Mean Girl would’ve had 2 black eyes rather than pudding all over her face. Heck, BLAIR showed more toughness in that scene than Angry Jo did lol.

And I think that Mean Girl part definitely should’ve been played by Sue Ann. In fact, I really wish it was. I think it would’ve been so perfect for her in that role and we could’ve seen Blair get back at her with pudding in HER face, as payback from the Dieting episode so it would’ve been a double victory there! What a total missed opportunity that was!! :(

Needlebutt looked like she was having the worst time of her life so I can believe when she says she was humiliated going back for that one scene. I felt just a twinge of sympathy for her, but only a twinge because I just can’t make myself like that girl. Sorry! But RIP anyway. :violin::rip::angel:party:

Natalie and her stifling smile was on OVERLOAD here. OMG with every single line she spouted she looked ready to break into laughter!! It’s going to annoy me right up till Daddy kicks the bucket for the next 4 seasons! :eek:

Mrs. G is in fine form in this episode. I love how strict she is with the girls yet shows at the same time that she cares about them. This was the beginning of the closeness that they all shared for the next 6 years and where that long lasting bond is really being formed. :grouphug:

I have no idea who this Howard the Cook guy is...is he a one and done character or do we see him more? I really have no recollection of him through the series….and how funny was it that they get home from the jail and you know it’s clearly after midnight, but some random guy waltzes in the school to apply for a busboy job? I don’t think a guy like that would’ve gotten past security of a girl’s boarding school at that time of night! :eek:

I guess it was a comic relief scene to allow Mindy to release her stifling smile for a few minutes. And once again we saw why she was the perfect pick to get popped out of the Core Four...that girl is perpetually in heat and was all ready to take him up to her dorm!

Does anyone notice that when they all enter the storage room for the first time, Blair’s Notre Dame painting is tossed in there against the wall?! Why the hell would it be there and not still in her dorm room?! I know they needed props to make it look like a junk room...but Blair’s painting wouldn’t be there imo. I think she’d still have it proudly displayed in her dorm room, unless Tumpy’s New Yorker poster has now replaced it lol.

The final scene where Angry Jo melts and the tears begin flowing shows she’s all talk and no action. Look at how quick she is to run away with her tail between her legs because some girl said a few words to her. And she cries like a little girl right in front of Blair too which was surprising! :eek:

Blair even told her the Angry Jo she displayed was all just an act and that’s probably what made her cry lol. I hadn’t seen this episode in a while but now I realize that she’s actually a weak little girl and overcompensates with the tough act...and the second that Blair calls her on it she caves in tears! :crysoup:

However, Mrs. G handled her really good when she got her to change her mind and stay….and even Blair was happy that her new angry friend wasn’t going to leave her…..Or as Blair wondered out loud...was that the bad news? :lol:

Later that night, Mrs. G went out to the garden in search of the Graduation Rock that she gives Angry Jo in a few years. :brent

In real life, Angry Jo would have been Big Bertha's bitch and wife. Also no prison would put an 11 or 12 year old like Tootie in the same cell as adult or older prisoners.

Don't feel too sorry for Needlebutt. She would go on to make more money than all the 7 other girls combined and still has an active career. Glad I am not the only one who saw how miserable Needlebutt looked here. The lip biting, the eye rolls, the piercing stares toward Angry Jo (whom she had no conversation with at all). Oh to be a fly on the wall during the taping of Needlebutt's final appearance on "that show that replaced me with Nancy McKeon". Yes, that was an actual Needlebutt quote.

Mrs. G. is very patient with Angry Jo. First she helps wrecks the school van, then ends up in jail. In a few episodes later, Angry Jo's actions almost end Mrs. G. in jail. I would have returned Angry Jo back to her mother a lot sooner. They kicked Emily and Tumpy out of Eastland for smoking a joint, but keep Angry Jo around despite at least 2 incidents of larceny.

You will see Howard the Cook on a few more episodes. Between Season 1 and 2, there was press releases that they were going to cast for a young cook (a George Clooney type role) and an older gentleman to be a friend of Mrs. Garrett (to replace Mr. Bradley? Off screen, John Lawlor was Charlotte's confidant and adult companion). I guess they combined those to roles for Howard the Cook. I am not going to spoil how much we see him.

Lorimar Television

06-17-2020, 06:55 PM

Wow a twinge of sympathy for Molly???? Who are you and what have you done with the real CFR???

cfr1970

06-17-2020, 07:51 PM

1 and H20 are the best IMO. 2 is alright but not enough Jamie for me. I agree Jamie's character was changed far too drastically in the latest one. She turned her whole house into a trap for Michael. Seriously? That seemed too far fetch. At least she was realistic in H20. I love Jamie Lee Curtis's acting so I'll keep watching her Halloween movies no matter how dumb they may appear.

I saved my time & money and just went to Wikipedia and read the whole plot when the movie was released. They pretty much explained scene by scene so I felt like I saw the whole movie in 5 minutes reading it, and wasn't impressed at all.

I mean if they erased part 2 from happening and took away Jamie's relation to Michael, then what do you have left but a teen babysitter who stumbled onto a murder scene and was chased by the killer for 10 minutes and he got away.

There would be absolutely ZERO logical reason for that woman to spend the next 40 YEARS of her life planning for his return to get her. I mean, if you erase part 2, then it's just a random murder she came across...so what reason would she have now to basically dedicate her whole life for this killer to come get her? It makes no sense anymore...but when he was her brother there was the connection and made it plausible like we saw in H20. That's what really ticked me off about it. :mad:

Too bad there's not a horror movie thread on this site...I could go on and on about how they ruined that series. :mumble:

That's why I'm so glad I bought All in The Family and The Jeffersons when I did. I can see them stop selling Norman Lear's shows because of the language that was used. We're lucky we had the shows we did at the time they were made because they would not make it in today's world. Even Shameless has become PC over the recent seasons. It's nothing like it was the first 5 or 7 years.

I have to get The Jeffersons before they get their grubby PC paws on that one and i'm so glad I got the whole Sanford & Son series because I know they're going to mess with that one. The Aunt Esther jokes alone will give them all heart attacks. :lol::lol:

I stuck with Harper's Island. I even have the DVD set that was released of the show. Since you do like slasher stories, the series Slasher would be a good one for you. The first two seasons are good. Season 3 is very PC.

Thanks for the warning about season 3 so I know to skip it. Other than the recent Roseanne reboot on Cozi channel, I haven't watched any modern television in 5 years now. If Slasher is on dvd I may get the first season to check it out.

cfr1970

06-17-2020, 08:00 PM

In real life, Angry Jo would have been Big Bertha's bitch and wife. Also no prison would put an 11 or 12 year old like Tootie in the same cell as adult or older prisoners.

Don't feel too sorry for Needlebutt. She would go on to make more money than all the 7 other girls combined and still has an active career. Glad I am not the only one who saw how miserable Needlebutt looked here. The lip biting, the eye rolls, the piercing stares toward Angry Jo (whom she had no conversation with at all). Oh to be a fly on the wall during the taping of Needlebutt's final appearance on "that show that replaced me with Nancy McKeon". Yes, that was an actual Needlebutt quote.

Mrs. G. is very patient with Angry Jo. First she helps wrecks the school van, then ends up in jail. In a few episodes later, Angry Jo's actions almost end Mrs. G. in jail. I would have returned Angry Jo back to her mother a lot sooner. They kicked Emily and Tumpy out of Eastland for smoking a joint, but keep Angry Jo around despite at least 2 incidents of larceny.

You will see Howard the Cook on a few more episodes. Between Season 1 and 2, there was press releases that they were going to cast for a young cook (a George Clooney type role) and an older gentleman to be a friend of Mrs. Garrett (to replace Mr. Bradley? Off screen, John Lawlor was Charlotte's confidant and adult companion). I guess they combined those to roles for Howard the Cook. I am not going to spoil how much we see him.

To be fair to Needlebutt, I really saw absolutely no reason for her character to be there anyway when it could've easily been filled by an extra. Why have her come all the way to the studio for that one pitiful scene and say "see ya! You're fired!" I guess I would harbor resentment too so I really can't make fun of it because it does seem kind of cruel to do that to a 12 year old child.

Unless she had some contractual obligation to fulfill, then I can see it. But other than that, the part could've been done by an extra like Mean Girl was because I don't think we ever saw her again either after this.

And you make a good point about Tumpy being expelled without question for a joint, yet the Core Four are given a second chance after stealing the school van, underage drinking, and assaulting the cop. In that aspect, poor Tumps should've been given a second chance too. :(

cfr1970

06-17-2020, 08:05 PM

Wow a twinge of sympathy for Molly???? Who are you and what have you done with the real CFR???

Now that I saw the pitiful scene I can see the cruelness of it all. She barely did anything and had no purpose there at all. If anything her best use would've been to toss that chauvinist Howard the cook into a vat of boiling oil for his "Women belong in the kitchen" comment, but the comeback went to Natalie instead which must've stung poor Molly even more because her character would be the one to give it to him.

valentina warner

06-17-2020, 08:58 PM

“The New Girl Pt. 2”

This review will be a bit shorter than usual because it’s taking so long to write them up that i’m falling behind on other things! So i’ll just make a few observations until I can get caught up!

Angry Jo in the jail cell threatening Big Bertha to give Blair back her watch was like a chihuahua barking at a pit bull. Bertha would’ve clearly torn Angry Jo to shreds and it was hilarious how she so quickly backed down from the barking ponytailed little doggie. In reality, that wouldn't have happened and Jo would be laying in the hospital’s Expensive Care!

But Angry Jo is just that...all bark and no bite! Look at how quickly she dissolved in a puddle of tears just because some Mean Girl said a few nasty words to her. If Angry Jo were for real, that Mean Girl would’ve had 2 black eyes rather than pudding all over her face. Heck, BLAIR showed more toughness in that scene than Angry Jo did lol.

And I think that Mean Girl part definitely should’ve been played by Sue Ann. In fact, I really wish it was. I think it would’ve been so perfect for her in that role and we could’ve seen Blair get back at her with pudding in HER face, as payback from the Dieting episode so it would’ve been a double victory there! What a total missed opportunity that was!!

Needlebutt looked like she was having the worst time of her life so I can believe when she says she was humiliated going back for that one scene. I felt just a twinge of sympathy for her, but only a twinge because I just can’t make myself like that girl. Sorry! But RIP anyway.

Natalie and her stifling smile was on OVERLOAD here. OMG with every single line she spouted she looked ready to break into laughter!! It’s going to annoy me right up till Daddy kicks the bucket for the next 4 seasons!

Mrs. G is in fine form in this episode. I love how strict she is with the girls yet shows at the same time that she cares about them. This was the beginning of the closeness that they all shared for the next 6 years and where that long lasting bond is really being formed.

I have no idea who this Howard the Cook guy is...is he a one and done character or do we see him more? I really have no recollection of him through the series….and how funny was it that they get home from the jail and you know it’s clearly after midnight, but some random guy waltzes in the school to apply for a busboy job? I don’t think a guy like that would’ve gotten past security of a girl’s boarding school at that time of night!

I guess it was a comic relief scene to allow Mindy to release her stifling smile for a few minutes. And once again we saw why she was the perfect pick to get popped out of the Core Four...that girl is perpetually in heat and was all ready to take him up to her dorm!

Does anyone notice that when they all enter the storage room for the first time, Blair’s Notre Dame painting is tossed in there against the wall?! Why the hell would it be there and not still in her dorm room?! I know they needed props to make it look like a junk room...but Blair’s painting wouldn’t be there imo. I think she’d still have it proudly displayed in her dorm room, unless Tumpy’s New Yorker poster has now replaced it lol.

The final scene where Angry Jo melts and the tears begin flowing shows she’s all talk and no action. Look at how quick she is to run away with her tail between her legs because some girl said a few words to her. And she cries like a little girl right in front of Blair too which was surprising!

Blair even told her the Angry Jo she displayed was all just an act and that’s probably what made her cry lol. I hadn’t seen this episode in a while but now I realize that she’s actually a weak little girl and overcompensates with the tough act...and the second that Blair calls her on it she caves in tears!

However, Mrs. G handled her really good when she got her to change her mind and stay….and even Blair was happy that her new angry friend wasn’t going to leave her…..Or as Blair wondered out loud...was that the bad news?

Later that night, Mrs. G went out to the garden in search of the Graduation Rock that she gives Angry Jo in a few years.

Hello cfr1970!!!!

That scene at the jail is actually one of my favourites from this episode: ANGRY JO saving BLAIR from the wrath of the BIG OLDER BULLY was hilarious!!!! (especially when BLAIR tells BIG BULLY that her watch is worth a fortune to make things worse!) TOOTIE just shakes her head in disbelief, "Great Blair, that's just great!" :brent:brent

And yes, BLAIR is definitely stronger and tougher than JO, despite appearances (as MRS G would say): i love how she dumps that pie on MEAN MARGO's face!!!!
Our now VAIN PRINCESS WITH THE HEART OF GOLD is showing us, that she will be the only one (aside from MRS G of course) able to handle ANGRY JO, by polishing her a little as the years go by!!!!:rotflmao::rotflmao:

I don't know if i see SUE ANN as the MEAN GIRL (as MARGO is): she was BLAIR's best friend for a whole season remember?
Unless, she was jealous of JO and would make everything to get rid of her???
It's a possibility!!!!

MRS G is really taking her role as the girls warden (as NAT often says) guardian very seriously: when she hears her two older girls fight, she simply enters in the room without knocking, and orders them, "like each other and that's an order!!!!" :nonono::nonono

It's also adorable, when our 'feisty red haired' hears the 'Core of 4' argue, and smiling amused, she says to herself: "Kids! They scream, they fight, but when they make up it's wonderful.....":loveya:

BLAIR is actually very perceptive: she hardly knows ANGRY JO, but it's like she can read her,
"you know Jo, i think deep down you're very sensitive...." (when JO tells her about EDDIE) and of course our ANGRY JO snaps at her, "who you're calling sensitive!!!!":rofl::rofl:

This is definitely the beginning of a promising long lasting bond, between MRS G and her now 4 girls.... (i'm saying NOW, cos the other 4 are 'lost forever' as the whole ensemble of the former 7.....):grouphug:

PS: if MRS G is looking for a rock for ANGRY JO from her garden, she also needs to find one for BLAIR too!!!!!:seeya:

Poor MOLLY: she looked like she'd lost a best friend and was almost in tears!!!!:baby:

NATALIE is definitely a naughty girl here: when the young handsome walks in the kitchen asking if the job was still available, she says, "you're hired!" (and throws herself practically at him).

BLAIR on the other hand is the tease: "you'll do the washing, and we'll watch".

ANGRY JO just rolls her eyes, ready to punch her frenemy

TOOTIE is too busy with Michael Jackson to care.

But MRS G is having none of that nonsense: "GIRLS, i don't think so!"

In which HOWARD THE COOK replies to the handsome young guy: "sorry but the position is taking!":bouncers

On another note, i see what you mean about JASON being more frightening with his silence: i think the fact that he doesn't talk makes it more scary for audiences!!!!
I also love, how cleverly they did it in the FRIDAY THE 13TH original, when his mother was still alive: nobody suspected she was the killer until the very end!!!!!!
And, i also love it, that every time i see a lake (ANYWHERE) it reminds me of CAMP CRYSTAL LAKE....pumpkin:pumpkin

:cheers::cheers:

80s Dude

06-17-2020, 10:12 PM

To be fair to Needlebutt, I really saw absolutely no reason for her character to be there anyway when it could've easily been filled by an extra. Why have her come all the way to the studio for that one pitiful scene and say "see ya! You're fired!" I guess I would harbor resentment too so I really can't make fun of it because it does seem kind of cruel to do that to a 12 year old child.

Unless she had some contractual obligation to fulfill, then I can see it. But other than that, the part could've been done by an extra like Mean Girl was because I don't think we ever saw her again either after this.

And you make a good point about Tumpy being expelled without question for a joint, yet the Core Four are given a second chance after stealing the school van, underage drinking, and assaulting the cop. In that aspect, poor Tumps should've been given a second chance too. :(

Angry Jo will be committing more crimes in near future.

80s Dude

06-17-2020, 10:24 PM

To be fair to Needlebutt, I really saw absolutely no reason for her character to be there anyway when it could've easily been filled by an extra. Why have her come all the way to the studio for that one pitiful scene and say "see ya! You're fired!" I guess I would harbor resentment too so I really can't make fun of it because it does seem kind of cruel to do that to a 12 year old child.

. :(

It was also cruel to leave a 12 year old isolated from her former castmates/housemates. They should have had a least one of the other lost girls their to comfort Molly. I don't think Molly had very much in common with the almost 20 year old actress who played Margo (Margo was 16 according to the script).

FOL-FAN-ITA

06-18-2020, 09:24 AM

Christopher

06-18-2020, 08:38 PM

I saved my time & money and just went to Wikipedia and read the whole plot when the movie was released. They pretty much explained scene by scene so I felt like I saw the whole movie in 5 minutes reading it, and wasn't impressed at all.

I mean if they erased part 2 from happening and took away Jamie's relation to Michael, then what do you have left but a teen babysitter who stumbled onto a murder scene and was chased by the killer for 10 minutes and he got away.

There would be absolutely ZERO logical reason for that woman to spend the next 40 YEARS of her life planning for his return to get her. I mean, if you erase part 2, then it's just a random murder she came across...so what reason would she have now to basically dedicate her whole life for this killer to come get her? It makes no sense anymore...but when he was her brother there was the connection and made it plausible like we saw in H20. That's what really ticked me off about it. :mad:

Too bad there's not a horror movie thread on this site...I could go on and on about how they ruined that series. :mumble:

It was establish in Halloween 1 that Laurie was Michael's sister. That's why Dr. Loomis was there to help Laurie because Michael wanted his sister dead. It's referenced in the new Halloween that Michael is her brother.

There is a movie forum in the chit chat section. You could create a thread for cfr's movie reviews :lol:

I have to get The Jeffersons before they get their grubby PC paws on that one and i'm so glad I got the whole Sanford & Son series because I know they're going to mess with that one. The Aunt Esther jokes alone will give them all heart attacks. :lol::lol:

I never watched Sanford & Son but a radio host mentioned that show along with All in The Family when discussing racism. What were the jokes on Sanford & Son that's giving these extremists a reason to cry?

Thanks for the warning about season 3 so I know to skip it. Other than the recent Roseanne reboot on Cozi channel, I haven't watched any modern television in 5 years now. If Slasher is on dvd I may get the first season to check it out.

I'm still pissed at ABC for what they did to Roseanne. They allow celebrities like Wanda Sykes and Ken Jeong who have displayed acts of racism to still work for the network but crucify Roseanne ruining her reputation for one tweet. I seriously doubt Roseanne even knew what she was talking about when she wrote her tweet. If people haven't noticed from her Twitter when this was going on back then and before, she sounded like she was going through a little mental illness. I haven't watched any of the ABC shows since and I don't think I ever will. It's ridiculous how they reacted.

Mom and Supernatural are the two main shows I watch today. I'm very surprise how Supernatural has been able to remain its own original show for 15 years without being forced to go PC. It's always been a straight, white male cast show throughout its whole run. I'm surprise people haven't targeted yet because other CW shows get targeted for not being PC. Molly Ringwald is playing a lesbian on Riverdale. I haven't watched this last season yet to know how that happened, but it sounds forced because she was with men the last time she was on the show. Not to mention she's also Archie's mother. I miss the days when shows gradually wrote things in so it felt naturally for viewers instead of having to please a certain group of people. Writers and producers are definitely forced nowadays to please the loud people demanding certain aspects in shows rather then doing their own creative work for fans to see.

80s Dude

06-18-2020, 10:01 PM

I have the impression you don't like Gary Coleman that much :lol::lol:. But I appreciate that he visited Mrs. Garrett, it's one of the last crossovers between the two shows, before the connection disappears

There was one more Different Strokes to Facts of Life crossovers when Willis visits later in season 2 in what was one of the best episodes of Season 2. There were still quite a few Facts of Life to Different Strokes episodes. Tootie appears on quite a few of them when Gary Coleman was having health issues.

TV Guy

06-18-2020, 10:25 PM

cfr1970

06-19-2020, 02:25 AM

It was establish in Halloween 1 that Laurie was Michael's sister. That's why Dr. Loomis was there to help Laurie because Michael wanted his sister dead. It's referenced in the new Halloween that Michael is her brother.

There is a movie forum in the chit chat section. You could create a thread for cfr's movie reviews :lol:

I heard they dropped the brother/sister angle of the story but if they kept Michael being her sister then the plot would make sense for Jamie to be on alert for him to finish her off. Maybe one Halloween when i'm really bored I may check it out...but I don't want to ruin my view of the franchise and i'd be afraid it will so i'm keeping away from it for now.

I also read they're doing TWO more sequels to the 2018 film which makes me even more wary of it...I mean how much can you tell of this story 40 years later? Will Jamie be 75, on Social Security and still fighting off Michael Myers? :lol::lol:. It's too much!

I'll seek out that movie thread though!! :wave:

I never watched Sanford & Son but a radio host mentioned that show along with All in The Family when discussing racism. What were the jokes on Sanford & Son that's giving these extremists a reason to cry?

There are jokes that would never be allowed to be uttered today. Fred always called Aunt Esther animal names because she's not pretty, and there's one joke that's memorable where he says to her "I'm gonna push your face in some dough and make gorilla cookies." The first time I heard that I literally gasped because it was so shocking to hear in this PC culture. It wasn't said racially since Fred is black himself, but I could see the PC brigade up in arms about that one.

I'm still pissed at ABC for what they did to Roseanne. They allow celebrities like Wanda Sykes and Ken Jeong who have displayed acts of racism to still work for the network but crucify Roseanne ruining her reputation for one tweet. I seriously doubt Roseanne even knew what she was talking about when she wrote her tweet. If people haven't noticed from her Twitter when this was going on back then and before, she sounded like she was going through a little mental illness. I haven't watched any of the ABC shows since and I don't think I ever will. It's ridiculous how they reacted.

Mom and Supernatural are the two main shows I watch today. I'm very surprise how Supernatural has been able to remain its own original show for 15 years without being forced to go PC. It's always been a straight, white male cast show throughout its whole run. I'm surprise people haven't targeted yet because other CW shows get targeted for not being PC. Molly Ringwald is playing a lesbian on Riverdale. I haven't watched this last season yet to know how that happened, but it sounds forced because she was with men the last time she was on the show. Not to mention she's also Archie's mother. I miss the days when shows gradually wrote things in so it felt naturally for viewers instead of having to please a certain group of people. Writers and producers are definitely forced nowadays to please the loud people demanding certain aspects in shows rather then doing their own creative work for fans to see.

I also have a problem with just tossing in PC things for the sake of it. If Riverdale wants a lesbian character, then bring one in...but to change an already established character for PC purposes is like shoving a square peg in a round hole. It doesn't work and viewers will see right through it.

I do think it's great that there's so much more diversity on TV these days and there's something for everyone to enjoy without feeling excluded. I watch many classic sitcoms and wonder to myself why everything was so "white"...I mean, it was pretty much like that all the way up to the late 90's and kind of shocking that it went on for that long before change finally came.

I stopped watching TV shows 5 years ago because it was veering away from quality storytelling towards brainwashing propaganda and that's not what I want to tune in for. It used to be television allowed viewers to make up their own minds and come to their own conclusions, but now they seem to want to do that themselves and I don't go for that.

I will check out the first season of Slasher though since you say it's not PC and focuses on the story rather than trying to hit me over the head with a PC message. :rolleyes:

cfr1970

06-19-2020, 02:29 AM

Amen to all of this. Wayne Brady would make a much better TPIR host. And Depp is a terrible ham now.

Wayne Brady is a good pick and I would've kept tuning in if he had gotten the job. Drew Carey was just a real head scratcher of a pick and just didn't fit into TPIR mold, and i'm actually quite shocked he's lasted this long.

If he ever leaves, that's when i'll tune in again. I just never liked Carey even when he had that dumb sitcom of his in the 90's. :lol:

cfr1970

06-19-2020, 04:14 PM

RetroGuy2000

06-19-2020, 04:43 PM

“Double Standard”

We learn that Angry Jo rides her motorcycle all over Peekskill to arcades etc. How is she allowed to do this at her age? It's a glaring loophole that no one questions! She's got to be 16 at the most and I don't think that's legal age for a girl to be riding a Harley by herself. And surely the school wouldn't allow that!

Isn't it legal for a 16-year-old to ride a motorcycle in New York State? This (https://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/motorcycle-licenses/) seems to indicate it is:
New York
Class M or MJ license is required.
Class MJ: The holder shall be at least 16 years of age and may operate any motorcycle. The holder may not drive in the city of New York. Such license will automatically become a class M license when the holder turns 18.

Anyways, the emergence of snobby Blair is becoming clearer with this episode. At one point she even gleefully says that she’s certain she will “marry into money”. It’s an incredibly tacky thing to say because it shows that she places that before anything else about marriage. And she even brags about that!

It's true: in order to create more friction between Blair and Jo, the writers push Blair into becoming more snobby. I think it works okay, but there are times I still miss the characterization of Blair in the first season.

And our “rebel” is no more as that term is now given over to Angry Jo as Tootie and Nat point out multiple times how Blair isn’t a rebel and Angry Jo is. Blair even goes as far as putting on Angry Jo’s jacket to try and convince herself that she's rebellious and it’s a far cry from the girl in short shorts last season smoking behind the couch! Blair is now more Bootsie than boots. :lol:

:lol:

Anyway, it’s a good episode and I recall something from seeing it when I was 10. (This show seems to do it a lot to me!)
When Angry Jo says to Blair “Eat your heart out!”....I remember thinking “what the hell does that MEAN?!”...I seriously thought it meant eating someone’s heart lol. It baffled me to no end and there was no internet to just Google the saying and find out! So for a long time I wondered why someone would want to eat their own heart out. :lol::happyface

Yep! I love that feeling of nostalgia! And that is a funny story! :lol:

Tootie is pretty good with the cattiness towards Blair when she crows: “A date Blair!....We call that a date!”....Ooh, meow!! Hiss! :crazy:

I love Kim's delivery, there! :lol:

Anyway, thanks for the review, CFR!

cfr1970

06-19-2020, 04:56 PM

Isn't it legal for a 16-year-old to ride a motorcycle in New York State? This (https://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/motorcycle-licenses/) seems to indicate it is:
New York
Class M or MJ license is required.
Class MJ: The holder shall be at least 16 years of age and may operate any motorcycle. The holder may not drive in the city of New York. Such license will automatically become a class M license when the holder turns 18.

Interesting....so she wasn't legally allowed to ride that bike in The Bronx then! I guess we just have to suspend our disbelief on that because I would think the school surely wouldn't allow it for liability reasons since she's under their responsibility.

It's true: in order to create more friction between Blair and Jo, the writers push Blair into becoming more snobby. I think it works okay, but there are times I still miss the characterization of Blair in the first season.

It does work because Lisa pulls it off great and it does make for better friction than if theo 2 girls were both rebellious. I too miss season 1 Blair and now see what valentina was talking about with her character there. She had so much more depth than she showed from season 2 on. We do still see it, but it's becoming more sporadic and only when it's from a lesson taught by deep, rock layered, Angry Jo. :bash:

Anyway, thanks for the review, CFR!

I know they're not as in depth as past ones, but i've been really getting behind on other things that I needed to start condensing. I wish I had more time to dedicate to them because it's fun to do. :crazy::wave:

80s Dude

06-19-2020, 04:57 PM

cfr1970

06-19-2020, 05:07 PM

Great review. I have a feeling you may not give the next episode a great review.

I rewatched that one last year during the Decades marathon and really like it. The high drama episodes I really take to which is why season 5 is my favorite. This one is definitely high in drama and Kim Fields is great in it. The only thing that won't get a great review is that nasty friend of Tootie's who tries to fill her head with garbage. But it is one of my favorites so the episode itself will not get a bad review from me. In fact, just the opposite. The more serious drama there is the better!! :)

RetroGuy2000

06-19-2020, 05:44 PM

Interesting....so she wasn't legally allowed to ride that bike in The Bronx then! I guess we just have to suspend our disbelief on that because I would think the school surely wouldn't allow it for liability reasons since she's under their responsibility.

I don't think Eastland would be responsible for what Jo does in NYC, outside of school-sponsored events in "the city". They can't control what an apparently licensed driver does outside of the Peekskill area. What Jo does in her home borough, during breaks, is up to her mother, in my opinion. The school definitely has a "checking out" policy, as seen in "Dope". If the older girls can go into "the city" unsupervised, as we see upon occasion, then the school can't be liable for what happens out of the area, if it's been approved by the parent. Since Jo came up to the school on her motorcycle, rather than transported there by her mother, Rose must have approved of how Jo got up to the school: Jo isn't really there willingly, anyway.

I know they're not as in depth as past ones, but i've been really getting behind on other things that I needed to start condensing. I wish I had more time to dedicate to them because it's fun to do. :crazy::wave:

I appreciate your time. I always have a good laugh! :lol:

cfr1970

06-19-2020, 05:57 PM

I don't think Eastland would be responsible for what Jo does in NYC, outside of school-sponsored events in "the city". They can't control what an apparently licensed driver does outside of the Peekskill area. What Jo does in her home borough, during breaks, is up to her mother, in my opinion. The school definitely has a "checking out" policy, as seen in "Dope". If the older girls can go into "the city" unsupervised, as we see upon occasion, then the school can't be liable for what happens out of the area, if it's been approved by the parent. Since Jo came up to the school on her motorcycle, rather than transported there by her mother, Rose must have approved of how Jo got up to the school: Jo isn't really there willingly, anyway.

The link said that it's not legal to ride the motorcycle in NYC under 18, so whether Rose allowed it or not, when she was riding it in The Bronx, she was doing so illegal.
Eastland may be responsible for her riding it around Peekskill though since she's under their care. But the link said it was ok outside of NYC at 16 so I guess it was ok for her there....but i'd still think the school would frown on that.

I appreciate your time. I always have a good laugh! :lol:

:thanks::wave:

valentina warner

06-19-2020, 06:04 PM

“Double Standard”

A good episode where Blair anticipates her 24 year old high school Bates Academy guy will ask her to the country club “cotillion”, but when he hears Angry Jo rattle off a bunch of auto mechanical jargon, he thinks she’s an easy lay and asks her instead.

We learn that Angry Jo rides her motorcycle all over Peekskill to arcades etc. How is she allowed to do this at her age? It's a glaring loophole that no one questions! She's got to be 16 at the most and I don't think that's legal age for a girl to be riding a Harley by herself. And surely the school wouldn't allow that!

Anyways, the emergence of snobby Blair is becoming clearer with this episode. At one point she even gleefully says that she’s certain she will “marry into money”. It’s an incredibly tacky thing to say because it shows that she places that before anything else about marriage. And she even brags about that!

And our “rebel” is no more as that term is now given over to Angry Jo as Tootie and Nat point out multiple times how Blair isn’t a rebel and Angry Jo is. Blair even goes as far as putting on Angry Jo’s jacket to try and convince herself that she's rebellious and it’s a far cry from the girl in short shorts last season smoking behind the couch! Blair is now more Bootsie than boots.

Angry Jo once again gets to turn on the waterworks for her big crying scene. So I guess she’s the “rebel with a heart of gold” now? Mrs. G consoles her once again and afterwards heads back out to her rock garden in search of her graduation present because this girl is SO deep and has SO many layers while Blair now has the depth of a puddle and just wants to marry money and shop.

In Blair’s defense though, she does stick up for Angry Jo when she finds out her 30 year old high school Bates guy tried to take Angry Jo behind the Country Club. She snarls to him accusingly that “there are girls that you marry….and girls that you don’t?” before attempting to kick his ass all dressed in her Angry Jo gear.

But it’s Angry Jo who holds her back saying he’s not worth it. So in a way the two have switched places for a few minutes with Angry Jo being the restrained one and Blair the angry rebel. The 35 year old high school Bates guy flees in terror while Angry Jo and Blair share a very awkward stare where it really looks like they were going to kiss lol. It thankfully freeze framed and th eshow was over, but right before it did, Blair stops to look at Angry Jo and their eyes meet and they just stand there gazing at each other smiling….it really felt like a kiss was coming and if you don’t believe me, watch that scene and tell me it’s not awkward!

Anyway, it’s a good episode and I recall something from seeing it when I was 10. (This show seems to do it a lot to me!)

When Angry Jo says to Blair “Eat your heart out!”....I remember thinking “what the hell does that MEAN?!”...I seriously thought it meant eating someone’s heart lol. It baffled me to no end and there was no internet to just Google the saying and find out! So for a long time I wondered why someone would want to eat their own heart out.

There’s a Cinderella theme going that hits you over the head like a hammer. This show is not known for its subtlety lol. The 40 year old high school guy even returns with the slipper that Angry Jo decked him with when he tried to have his way with her, and Nat & Tootie even play the wicked stepsisters to an upset Blair in their room. But Natalie isn’t wicked enough with her giggly smiles at dramatic lines, (go to acting school Mindy!) but Tootie is pretty good with the cattiness towards Blair when she crows: “A date Blair!....We call that a date!”....Ooh, meow!! Hiss!

Mrs. G of course comes to the rescue for our Angry little Jo and forms more of their bond where she marvels at all those deep layers that she possesses and spends endless nights in her garden for the perfect rock.

I’ve seen it said here that in season 2 Charlotte’s trim figure left her face deflated, but I really don’t see that and think she looks quite good. The only thing I don’t care for is that ginger hair color and am waiting for the deep red to make it’s debut where I like her best.

Oh I almost forgot about that hideous dress Angry Jo wore to the dance. EW!! It looked like something a poor person wore in the 1600’s lol. Blair did call it a peasant dress and the name sure fit it.
There was absolutely nothing at all flattering about it….she looked like she belonged on a box of Swiss Miss lol….speaking of which, she will probably soon to be no more because the Swiss people may suddenly find her offensive and cancel her too like they did to poor Mrs. Butterworth, Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben this week….it appears that no one on grocery products are safe anymore! Swiss Miss must be shaking in her clogs right now!! But that’s for another board of course.

Anyway...great episode!

Hello again at last cfr1970!!!!!

I have to say i was kind of DREADING reading your review, cos every time JO gains over BLAIR is really upsets me, and i'm sorry but i don't see how an ANGRY JO might be deep, nor that MRS G is spending every night in her garden searching for that particular graduation rock.....

I mean, just because BLAIR is snobbish now, still doesn't turn her into BOOTSIE (that girl was manipulative in case you've forgotten): in fact, BLAIR was sticking up for ANGRY JO (over her 30/40 old boyfriend as you pointed out).... Okay, so she was jealous at first and was talking about marrying money, but that was just talk lol!!!!

I'll still never understand how most fans would choose ANGRY JO over a SNOBBISH SWEET BLAIR: to be honest, JO's tears had always irritated me, and for me BLAIR is still the one with the 'heart of gold' (despite what everyone says).:bighug::bighug:

When BLAIR is upset i get upset, whereas when JO burst into crocodile tears i just roll my eyes.......

It also angers me how suddenly TOOTIE and NAT are on ANGRY JO's side: they were certainly BLAIR's friend in season 1!!!!

I also prefer MRS G from season 1: i felt she was closer to BLAIR then, and that ANGRY JO just wants the attention lol!!!!:bash:

That is the reason why i listed how i prefer FOL from this order:

1. Pilot with the introduction of REBELLIOUS BLAIR
2. Season 1 with REAL HEART OF GOLD BLAIR
3. Season 5:MRS G is now closer than ever to her girls, she owns her own business and the 5 of them live like a real family!
4. Season 4 with CARING SENSITIVE BLAIR who has grown so much since season 2 and 3!
And
5. Season 6: MRS G final REAL moments with her girls, before she turns into a complete POD!!!!:ufo::ufo:

To be brutallyhonest (as BLAIR once said) i have never cared much for the JO focused episodes (hey i even prefer the NATALIE ones): they kind of bore me, and in season 2 she has far too many episodes for my taste!!!!:barf::barf:

PS:That was a bit harsh for you to say BLAIR has the depth of a PUDDLE!!!!! She's just snobbish and probably trying to provoke ANGRY JO.....

And ANGRY JO is not an angel either: she told BLAIR not to forget to put ketchup and eat her heart out!!!!! OUCH!!!!

I have a feeling i'm really going to be upset about reading reviews on BLAIR until season 4: when she finally matures and shows how CARING and SENSITIVE she really is.....:crysoup::crysoup:

And yes: that dress ANGRY JO was wearing was horrible, and did make her look like a PEASANT yep!!!! (good one BLAIR) and she was dressed for the BIER OCTOBER FEST in Germany ha ha!:cheers::cheers:

I really MISS OLD BLAIR......:crybaby::crybaby:

:violin::violin:

cfr1970

06-19-2020, 06:21 PM

Hello again at last cfr1970!!!!!

I have to say i was kind of DREADING reading your review, cos every time JO gains over BLAIR is really upsets me, and i'm sorry but i don't see how an ANGRY JO might be deep, nor that MRS G is spending every night in her garden searching for that particular graduation rock.....

I mean, just because BLAIR is snobbish now, still doesn't turn her into BOOTSIE (that girl was manipulative in case you've forgotten): in fact, BLAIR was sticking up for ANGRY JO (over her 30/40 old boyfriend as you pointed out).... Okay, so she was jealous at first and was talking about marrying money, but that was just talk lol!!!!

I'll still never understand how most fans would choose ANGRY JO over a SNOBBISH SWEET BLAIR: to be honest, JO's tears had always irritated me, and for me BLAIR is still the one with the 'heart of gold' (despite what everyone says).:bighug:

When BLAIR is upset i get upset, whereas when JO burst into crocodile tears i just roll my eyes.......

It also angers me how suddenly TOOTIE and NAT are on ANGRY JO's side: they were certainly BLAIR's friend in season 1!!!!

I also prefer MRS G from season 1: i felt she was closer to BLAIR then, and that ANGRY JO just wants the attention lol!!!!:bash:

That is the reason why i listed how i prefer FOL from this order:

1. Pilot with the introduction of REBELLIOUS BLAIR
2. Season 1 with REAL HEART OF GOLD BLAIR
3. Season 5:MRS G is now closer than ever to her girls, she owns her own business and the 5 of them live like a real family!
4. Season 4 with CARING SENSITIVE BLAIR who has grown so much since season 2 and 3!
And
5. Season 6: MRS G final REAL moments with her girls, before she turns into a complete POD!!!!:ufo::ufo:

To be brutallyhonest (as BLAIR once said) i have never cared much for the JO focused episodes (hey i even prefer the NATALIE ones): they kind of bore me, and in season 2 she has far too many episodes for my taste!!!!:barf::barf:

PS:That was a bit harsh for you to say BLAIR has the depth of a PUDDLE!!!!! She's just snobbish and probably trying to provoke ANGRY JO.....

And ANGRY JO is not an angel either: she told BLAIR not to forget to put ketchup and eat her heart out!!!!! OUCH!!!!

I have a feeling i'm really going to be upset about reading reviews on BLAIR until season 4: when she finally matures and shows how CARING and SENSITIVE she really is.....:crysoup::crysoup:

And yes: that dress ANGRY JO was wearing was horrible, and did make her look like a PEASANT yep!!!! (good one BLAIR) and she was dressed for the BIER OCTOBER FEST in Germany ha ha!:cheers::cheers:

I really MISS OLD BLAIR......:crybaby::crybaby:

:violin::violin:

You brought up something I forgot! When Tootie shoots at Blair about Angry Jo compared to her that "she's nice!"...I thought that was needlessly being catty and it just wasn't true either. Blair has always been nice to Tootie even protecting her from drugged out Tumpy, but suddenly Tootie is all "well she's nicer than you!"? LIES!

Angry Jo is just that...angry and always either scowling or crying lol. Although Tootie MAY be right because I even noticed in The New Girl, that Angry Jo was nasty to both Blair and Natalie, but sweet as pie to Tootie for some reason, so maybe from her perspective she's nice....But Blair has always been nice to Tootie even after she blackmailed her for the Emily Dickenson poem lol.

That was one scene that irritated me today when she called Angry Jo nice which she clearly isn't...and also, it was Angry Jo who got Tootie in trouble with stealing the ugly shirt from the store, so Tootie should not be calling that girl "nice" but "sociopath"! :lol:

Christopher

06-19-2020, 07:00 PM

I got carried away talking about the movies, I forgot the FOL reviews :crazy:

“The New Girl”

Ahhh! The REAL FOL theme song finally plays again! Yay!

One of the most catchy TV theme songs ever for a sitcom. There's so many shows that make reference to it.

Tootie has finally learned to walk and enters the cafeteria to hug her bestie Natalie who was busy raiding the continental breakfast area. Learning to walk wasn’t all Tootie learned over the summer as she pulls out a pair of boys shorts from her purse (EW!) to show Nat her prize from “panty raids”. Natalie is impressed but doesn’t ask why the hell she’s keeping some boy’s sweaty shorts in her purse!

I'm glad Tootie was taken off the skates at the start of the season. I thought it was silly she's rolling around the whole first season. Don't get too gross out over Tootie having boys undies in her purse. She said no one was wearing them when she took them. I took it that she just went through the boy's dresser drawers taking their undies before they had a chance to wear them. Remember Tootie was very naive in the early seasons and then slightly naive in the later years.

Then Angry Jo walks in wearing her biker helmet and looking like a 14 year old boy. Blair directs her to where deliveries are supposed to go and Natalie is about to ask “him” to the fall dance lol. And Angry Jo looks like she’s going to punch Nat’s stifling smirk right off her face! This girl is REALLY ANGRY!!

I agree Jo was perceived as an angry child in the beginning. I took it as part of her backstory that Jo was forced into Eastland because her mother wanted her away from Eddie. She didn't have any say on the matter because of her age. I think it's believable she is going to act out.

They go off to look at their dorm assignments and Blair sees that Angry Jo is her roommate but doesn’t know it's her and thinks she’ll need an interpreter since her last name sounds so foreign, (which it does, so it is a natural assumption imo) Angry Jo gets even angrier at that and tells her that her fist will be her interpreter. Ugh...she’s not making a good impression on me...I can’t believe audiences warmed to this chick while watching in 1980.

They were going for something different on the show. They wanted the audience to see that even a tough chick like Jo can have a softer side. As Mrs. Garrett says, "appearances" they're not always what they seem.

Jo knows what’s going on and asks Blair if Mrs. G was working on her too and Blair admits it but still says she wants to try and be friends but Angry Jo is still a major angry bitch. I mean, even when Blair nicely says “My Jordaches are your Jordaches", Angry Jo is like “You don’t mind me taking them in?!” Wow! Nasty!

Here's Blair extending a hand in friendship and this nasty C word girl insults her. Really, audiences must’ve really hated her in this episode because she doesn’t even TRY to make nice and hogs the whole bowl of Meow Mix all for herself! Blair looks both hurt and insulted when she says that too.

Really? I love that scene because Blair's facial expression after Jo says that is hilarious. The writers clearly wanted these two girls to be rivals and that's why it was so quick and harsh with the put downs between them in Jo's first few minutes on the show.

Tootie introduces herself to Angry Jo who’s surprisingly pleasant back to her. I was expecting her to growl at her too but she doesn’t. Instead, she asks where to find the boys and the booze lol. And Natalie guffaws into the room exclaiming she’s just in time for the good stuff when hearing that and plants herself in a chair to tell Blair to tell Angry Jo all about “preppy heaven” Bates Academy.

I'm not surprise Jo was pleasant to Tootie. Tootie held her hand out to shake Jo's hand and not having any snide comments on Jo's fashion styles showing manners. Tootie was obviously raised with class of how to properly treat others.

She then peruses through her endless wallet pictures for the perfect one to use which annoys Angry Jo who shouts “Who Cares?! Is it a deal or isn’t it?” and a reluctant Blair is all hesitatingly, “It’s a deal” and shakes her greasy dirty hand again.

I love this scene too. It's so Blair to make sure she has the right, attractive photo on an ID regardless if it's real or not :lol:

And we see Angry Jo in high heels walking awkwardly in them

I don't understand why they had Jo in heels for that scene. They should have done boots for her or flats. She couldn't walk right in heels and that was definitely going to draw looks on them.

They sit at the bar where Angry Jo orders “two brews” but Blair corrects her and says “One brew, i’ll have a beer.” LOL...she can’t be that ignorant!! This is the rebel who smoked behind the couch last season...surely she knows what a brew is! See how they changed her and took all her rebel-ness away and gave it all to Angry Jo?! The line was funny though.

Maybe not. Blair wasn't a real rebel in the first season. Yeah she smoked, but that didn't even last long. She became more caring as the first season went on. A rebel wouldn't care about helping others. They would look after themselves breaking rules. Blair wasn't like that in season 1 so I don't think the brew line for Blair was ignorant. Remember, her social class doesn't hang around people of Jo's social class.

They then cut to a close up of some serial killer looking guy who looks at the two of them like he can’t wait to get them both chained up in his basement lol. The 30 year old with 3 kids introduces himself as Brad and creepily puts his arms around both of them to say the “beautiful ones travel in pairs.” EW! Run children...RUN!! This is a creep bar if I ever saw one...It looks absolutely nothing like a college bar at all but instead like a place where young girls go and are never seen alive again.

:rotflmao:

Anyway, Tootie is all “We are in troublllllle!” The cop says he’s taking them in and Mrs. G accuses him of entrapment (uh, it’s actually not!) and Natalie angrily pushes him and Tootie pours a whole pitcher of beer over his head. OMG what the hell’s wrong with them two?! Tootie just SAID she knows they’re in trouble and then proceeds to pour beer all over his head?! Is she mental?!

This Tootie moment makes me cringe. She grabs the pitcher of beer holding it after just saying "we are in trouble", waits for Natalie to push the cop, and then pours it over the cop giving him an attitude look like, "bitch please" ohno: They should have done that scene a little better. Just the way she grabs the pitcher of beer and holds it knowing she's waiting for her mark is silly. She should have grabbed it after Natalie pushes him so it made it a surprise she was going to pour it on him.

A great episode that sets up the new Core Four and the true start of the series for many. I have to admit that i’m one of them and view season 1 as the FOL “prequel” and this is where the main series begins.

Season 1 is definitely a complete different show. I prefer the Jo seasons because I like the core four friendship and how it's explored over the course of the show how tight they grow. They aren't just friends. They become family.

Angry Jo in the jail cell threatening Big Bertha to give Blair back her watch was like a chihuahua barking at a pit bull. Bertha would’ve clearly torn Angry Jo to shreds and it was hilarious how she so quickly backed down from the barking ponytailed little doggie. In reality, that wouldn't have happened and Jo would be laying in the hospital’s Expensive Care!

I don't know if I agree with this. It's usually the big ones that act all tough like Big Bertha that are the weak chihuahua's. Size doesn't always make a person tough no matter how much they try. I think Jo would have taken her.

Needlebutt looked like she was having the worst time of her life so I can believe when she says she was humiliated going back for that one scene. I felt just a twinge of sympathy for her, but only a twinge because I just can’t make myself like that girl. Sorry! But RIP anyway.

I love how Needlebutt was treated. I didn't feel any sympathy for her. I was just glad she was gone. The worst character ever for FOL. It made it even sweeter knowing she was humiliated :dance::cheers: As Drusilla said on Buffy, "do it again, do it again!" :lol:

Does anyone notice that when they all enter the storage room for the first time, Blair’s Notre Dame painting is tossed in there against the wall?! Why the hell would it be there and not still in her dorm room?! I know they needed props to make it look like a junk room...but Blair’s painting wouldn’t be there imo. I think she’d still have it proudly displayed in her dorm room, unless Tumpy’s New Yorker poster has now replaced it lol.

Maybe Blair entered the painting in an art show and that's where they went during cleaning? It should have been thrown away though if Blair wasn't going to keep it.

Anyways, the emergence of snobby Blair is becoming clearer with this episode. At one point she even gleefully says that she’s certain she will “marry into money”. It’s an incredibly tacky thing to say because it shows that she places that before anything else about marriage. And she even brags about that!

I like Blair as a snob though because when she goes through something meaningful, you see the real Blair shine through. Her being a snob is just a front for who she really is on the inside. That's why her breakup from Cliff really affected her. Everyone thought she'd be fine with it because of how she presents herself to others. Instead, she showed everyone she really does care about others and hurts when she unintentionally hurts someone else.

And our “rebel” is no more as that term is now given over to Angry Jo as Tootie and Nat point out multiple times how Blair isn’t a rebel and Angry Jo is. Blair even goes as far as putting on Angry Jo’s jacket to try and convince herself that she's rebellious and it’s a far cry from the girl in short shorts last season smoking behind the couch! Blair is now more Bootsie than boots.

I don't see this at all with Blair. What Blair's main problem in the episode was is why Harrison picked Jo over her. And again, I don't think Blair was a rebel at all in season 1. She was more caring about others than doing bad things. She wanted to help Natalie find her birth parents, she wanted to help Molly with her problems over her dad, she covered for Sue Ann during the marijuana episode, she spoke up to Tootie's father who was going to take Tootie out of Eastland AND she even comforted Mrs. Garrett in the same episode when she saw how badly Mrs. Garrett was affected by Mr. Ramsey wanting Tootie to stay away from her, and other caring moments from Blair. I don't see the rebel in Blair at all because she's the heart of the group of friends.

Angry Jo once again gets to turn on the waterworks for her big crying scene. So I guess she’s the “rebel with a heart of gold” now? Mrs. G consoles her once again and afterwards heads back out to her rock garden in search of her graduation present because this girl is SO deep and has SO many layers while Blair now has the depth of a puddle and just wants to marry money and shop.

:lol: cfr, are you needing a rock like Jo's? :p I'll look on ebay for one ;) I think all the girls have layers, not just Jo, and we see this as the series goes on. Blair has just as many episodes as Jo on who she truly is and how she became the way she is. She didn't have family around her growing up because her parents hired people to look after her. Blair never had the true meaning of family until Mrs. Garrett and the other 3 girls.

In Blair’s defense though, she does stick up for Angry Jo when she finds out her 30 year old high school Bates guy tried to take Angry Jo behind the Country Club. She snarls to him accusingly that “there are girls that you marry….and girls that you don’t?” before attempting to kick his ass all dressed in her Angry Jo gear.

But it’s Angry Jo who holds her back saying he’s not worth it. So in a way the two have switched places for a few minutes with Angry Jo being the restrained one and Blair the angry rebel. The 35 year old high school Bates guy flees in terror while Angry Jo and Blair share a very awkward stare where it really looks like they were going to kiss lol. It thankfully freeze framed and th eshow was over, but right before it did, Blair stops to look at Angry Jo and their eyes meet and they just stand there gazing at each other smiling….it really felt like a kiss was coming and if you don’t believe me, watch that scene and tell me it’s not awkward!

Before I begin, I'm so glad I was never on this show because no one can age a man faster than cfr in his reviews :lol: Harrison goes from 30 to 35 in a just a few sentences :p

I love this scene of Blair going to kick Harrison's ass. We see again Blair will stand up for her friends and for what's right. No matter how shallow Blair may come off, she has layers to her that come out to surprise the viewers. This is why I consider Lisa the star of girls. Her character is so complex and we see this over the years.

Also, no, I'm not going to view their freeze frame moment as a potential kissing scene. Sorry cfr, they're friends who become like family. Nothing more :nonono: :lol:

There’s a Cinderella theme going that hits you over the head like a hammer. This show is not known for its subtlety lol. The 40 year old high school guy even returns with the slipper that Angry Jo decked him with when he tried to have his way with her, and Nat & Tootie even play the wicked stepsisters to an upset Blair in their room. But Natalie isn’t wicked enough with her giggly smiles at dramatic lines, (go to acting school Mindy!) but Tootie is pretty good with the cattiness towards Blair when she crows: “A date Blair!....We call that a date!”....Ooh, meow!! Hiss!

Again, Harrison ages another 5 years here :lol:

I love that Tootie scene. I don't think Tootie knew she was being catty towards Blair which makes it even funnier.

Edit: we need to encourage TJ into letting us have more than 15 smilies in a post. I had to cut a lot out.

80s Dude

06-19-2020, 07:04 PM

Tootie was always catty to Blair. See IQ where Tootie says "You are right, Blair. It's not you" after Blair said she couldn't have the highest IQ because of all her outside interests. And then Tootie says " I always wondered what it was like to have a white maid" in Emily Dickinson.

I love catty and sassy Tootie. I was not a fan of whiny Tootie.

Christopher

06-19-2020, 07:25 PM

I heard they dropped the brother/sister angle of the story but if they kept Michael being her sister then the plot would make sense for Jamie to be on alert for him to finish her off. Maybe one Halloween when i'm really bored I may check it out...but I don't want to ruin my view of the franchise and i'd be afraid it will so i'm keeping away from it for now.

I also read they're doing TWO more sequels to the 2018 film which makes me even more wary of it...I mean how much can you tell of this story 40 years later? Will Jamie be 75, on Social Security and still fighting off Michael Myers? :lol::lol:. It's too much!

I'll seek out that movie thread though!! :wave:

So this has been bugging me that I watched the new Halloween movie again. I'll be damned. They did drop the brother / sister angle of Michael and Laurie in the new Halloween. I'm not a huge Halloween fan like I am with Freddy and Scream. I didn't catch onto this. In Scream it took Sydney two events with killers to isolate herself from the world. That made sense. Laurie hiding for so many years and not getting help because of one event seems silly now. Michael is a serial killer so why is he invested in killing Laurie? That doesn't make sense now.

One thing that can be said about Jamie Lee Curtis, no matter how old she'll be, she'll always be grateful to the movie that made her career. A lot of actors / actresses can learn from her on this.

Did you hear they're in talks of making a Scream 5? If it goes through, I'm curious who will be targeting Sydney now. They went through so many people in her life the first 4 movies. I don't know who else is out there that would want her dead.

cfr1970

06-19-2020, 08:37 PM

Really? I love that scene because Blair's facial expression after Jo says that is hilarious. The writers clearly wanted these two girls to be rivals and that's why it was so quick and harsh with the put downs between them in Jo's first few minutes on the show.

I think they made Jo just a little TOO angry when she first arrived to the point where it could've alienated viewers early on. That obviously didn't happen, but when Blair extended her hand in friendship by offering her Jordaches, Jo's response of taking them in just seemed uncalled for. There's angry, and then there's "bitch on wheels" which Jo was.

Granted, she toned down as the series progressed, and even by Double Standard was chummy with Blair at the end, but her anger was a bit overboard in that first appearance imo.

I'm not surprise Jo was pleasant to Tootie. Tootie held her hand out to shake Jo's hand and not having any snide comments on Jo's fashion styles showing manners. Tootie was obviously raised with class of how to properly treat others.

That's true and you have a point. Blair directed her to the delivery entrance and Natalie called her a boy right off the bat (which was mean) so Tootie was the only one who showed respect at their first meeting.

I don't understand why they had Jo in heels for that scene. They should have done boots for her or flats. She couldn't walk right in heels and that was definitely going to draw looks on them.

To me, that scene showed Jo was all talk and probably never even used that fake id before in her life. If she did, she wouldn't have put those heels on like an amatuer.

Maybe not. Blair wasn't a real rebel in the first season. Yeah she smoked, but that didn't even last long. She became more caring as the first season went on. A rebel wouldn't care about helping others. They would look after themselves breaking rules. Blair wasn't like that in season 1 so I don't think the brew line for Blair was ignorant. Remember, her social class doesn't hang around people of Jo's social class.

You're right and the only time we saw Blair truly rebel was in Dope with the pot, but even then she made the decision herself to not want any part of it. I think valentina has convinced me that she's the rebel with the heart of gold.....Perhaps the "snob with the heart of gold" is a better fit. :lol:

This Tootie moment makes me cringe. She grabs the pitcher of beer holding it after just saying "we are in trouble", waits for Natalie to push the cop, and then pours it over the cop giving him an attitude look like, "bitch please" ohno: They should have done that scene a little better. Just the way she grabs the pitcher of beer and holds it knowing she's waiting for her mark is silly. She should have grabbed it after Natalie pushes him so it made it a surprise she was going to pour it on him.

I agree it should've been reshot because to have Tootie do that right after saying "we're in trouble" makes no sense. In fact, if anyone was going to do that I think it would've been Jo instead.

Season 1 is definitely a complete different show. I prefer the Jo seasons because I like the core four friendship and how it's explored over the course of the show how tight they grow. They aren't just friends. They become family.

True and I do like Jo but it's so easy to rag on her in the beginning with the way she acts...and besides, until Kelly arrives in season 5, there's no Urchins to pick on.

I don't know if I agree with this. It's usually the big ones that act all tough like Big Bertha that are the weak chihuahua's. Size doesn't always make a person tough no matter how much they try. I think Jo would have taken her.

I don't think we ever see Jo get into a real physical fight, and come to think of it, that should've been done with the tough girl from The Bronx. She may be a good fighter, but since we never get to see her in action, I think Big Bertha would've knocked her on her ponytail. :lol:

I love how Needlebutt was treated. I didn't feel any sympathy for her. I was just glad she was gone. The worst character ever for FOL. It made it even sweeter knowing she was humiliated :dance::cheers: As Drusilla said on Buffy, "do it again, do it again!"

You're worse than me because I did feel a little sorry for her because she was just a kid and I just can't see why they brought her back for that one tiny scene if she wasn't contractually obligated...it just seemed cruel...but maybe she pissed off someone with her Needlebutt ways lol.

I like Blair as a snob though because when she goes through something meaningful, you see the real Blair shine through. Her being a snob is just a front for who she really is on the inside. That's why her breakup from Cliff really affected her. Everyone thought she'd be fine with it because of how she presents herself to others. Instead, she showed everyone she really does care about others and hurts when she unintentionally hurts someone else.

The snob angle worked well for a few seasons but went into overdrive towards the end of the series when by that point, she had really grown past that already. The watch episode pretty much reinforced Blair's growth from snob to human being, and everything after should've been played with Blair more down to earth, but for some reason the writers decided regression was more comical for her character. :rolleyes:

I don't see this at all with Blair. What Blair's main problem in the episode was is why Harrison picked Jo over her. And again, I don't think Blair was a rebel at all in season 1. She was more caring about others than doing bad things. She wanted to help Natalie find her birth parents, she wanted to help Molly with her problems over her dad, she covered for Sue Ann during the marijuana episode, she spoke up to Tootie's father who was going to take Tootie out of Eastland AND she even comforted Mrs. Garrett in the same episode when she saw how badly Mrs. Garrett was affected by Mr. Ramsey wanting Tootie to stay away from her, and other caring moments from Blair. I don't see the rebel in Blair at all because she's the heart of the group of friends.

I admit all of that is correct and in actuality Blair really wasn't the rebel at all. (Sorry valentina! :wave:)

cfr, are you needing a rock like Jo's? :p I'll look on ebay for one ;) I think all the girls have layers, not just Jo, and we see this as the series goes on. Blair has just as many episodes as Jo on who she truly is and how she became the way she is. She didn't have family around her growing up because her parents hired people to look after her. Blair never had the true meaning of family until Mrs. Garrett and the other 3 girls.

I know that they all have depth and that it's not just Jo...The whole rock thing is a running joke in my reviews lol. Every time we see Jo & Mrs. G have one of their heart to heart talks, she runs out in the middle of the night to her garden in search of the perfect rock for her. :lol:

Before I begin, I'm so glad I was never on this show because no one can age a man faster than cfr in his reviews :lol: Harrison goes from 30 to 35 in a just a few sentences

It's another running joke I do in my reviews. :lol: I actually lifted it off All in the Family when Archie is kept up all night and in every scene he keeps exaggerating the time by pushing it later and later when only a few minutes actually went by. :happyface

I love this scene of Blair going to kick Harrison's ass. We see again Blair will stand up for her friends and for what's right. No matter how shallow Blair may come off, she has layers to her that come out to surprise the viewers. This is why I consider Lisa the star of girls. Her character is so complex and we see this over the years.

It reminds me of her "In your ear" comment to her snobby friend in New York, New York. These are the moments when real Blair is shown to peek out from under the snobby facade.

Also, no, I'm not going to view their freeze frame moment as a potential kissing scene. Sorry cfr, they're friends who become like family. Nothing more

I know they are and I would never even hint at them being more, but the scene is a little awkwardly done where I can see millions of little lesbian girls watching at the time and gushing in delight at that end scene. :lol:

Edit: we need to encourage TJ into letting us have more than 15 smilies in a post. I had to cut a lot out.

We desperately need more smilies allowed...I too have to cut out when I reply and it's just added work. We should start a petition!! :)

cfr1970

06-19-2020, 08:45 PM

So this has been bugging me that I watched the new Halloween movie again. I'll be damned. They did drop the brother / sister angle of Michael and Laurie in the new Halloween. I'm not a huge Halloween fan like I am with Freddy and Scream. I didn't catch onto this. In Scream it took Sydney two events with killers to isolate herself from the world. That made sense. Laurie hiding for so many years and not getting help because of one event seems silly now. Michael is a serial killer so why is he invested in killing Laurie? That doesn't make sense now.

One thing that can be said about Jamie Lee Curtis, no matter how old she'll be, she'll always be grateful to the movie that made her career. A lot of actors / actresses can learn from her on this.

Did you hear they're in talks of making a Scream 5? If it goes through, I'm curious who will be targeting Sydney now. They went through so many people in her life the first 4 movies. I don't know who else is out there that would want her dead.

So if they did drop the relationship angle then it ruins the entire series and basically voids the whole history and I hate that. Why not just make a whole new movie then and call it something else?

The fact that the writers want fans to swallow that this babysitter in 1978, who accidently stumbled onto a random serial killer who offed her friends, and chased her for 5 minutes, would spend the next 4 DECADES of her life preparing for his return lol. It makes zero sense now that it was just a random crime she happened upon. This is how low Hollywood apparently thinks of us, that we'll just buy whatever they force feed us no matter how illogical.

And since it made so much money, it sadly proves they're correct, and we have 2 more on the way with a 60 year old Jaime Lee still fighting Michael Myers...where the hell does it end?! They did it wonderfully with H20 and the following one where Michael finally got her was a good closing. It should've been done there. But oh well...this is what audiences apparently want I guess. :rolleyes:

And I did read about the upcoming Scream sequel...not sure how I feel about that either...these are films made 20 years ago...why keep dragging them along instead of coming up with something new?! :confused::confused:

valentina warner

06-19-2020, 08:50 PM

I got carried away talking about the movies, I forgot the FOL reviews

One of the most catchy TV theme songs ever for a sitcom. There's so many shows that make reference to it.

I'm glad Tootie was taken off the skates at the start of the season. I thought it was silly she's rolling around the whole first season. Don't get too gross out over Tootie having boys undies in her purse. She said no one was wearing them when she took them. I took it that she just went through the boy's dresser drawers taking their undies before they had a chance to wear them. Remember Tootie was very naive in the early seasons and then slightly naive in the later years.

I agree Jo was perceived as an angry child in the beginning. I took it as part of her backstory that Jo was forced into Eastland because her mother wanted her away from Eddie. She didn't have any say on the matter because of her age. I think it's believable she is going to act out.

They were going for something different on the show. They wanted the audience to see that even a tough chick like Jo can have a softer side. As Mrs. Garrett says, "appearances" they're not always what they seem.

Really? I love that scene because Blair's facial expression after Jo says that is hilarious. The writers clearly wanted these two girls to be rivals and that's why it was so quick and harsh with the put downs between them in Jo's first few minutes on the show.

I'm not surprise Jo was pleasant to Tootie. Tootie held her hand out to shake Jo's hand and not having any snide comments on Jo's fashion styles showing manners. Tootie was obviously raised with class of how to properly treat others.

I love this scene too. It's so Blair to make sure she has the right, attractive photo on an ID regardless if it's real or not

I don't understand why they had Jo in heels for that scene. They should have done boots for her or flats. She couldn't walk right in heels and that was definitely going to draw looks on them.

Maybe not. Blair wasn't a real rebel in the first season. Yeah she smoked, but that didn't even last long. She became more caring as the first season went on. A rebel wouldn't care about helping others. They would look after themselves breaking rules. Blair wasn't like that in season 1 so I don't think the brew line for Blair was ignorant. Remember, her social class doesn't hang around people of Jo's social class.

This Tootie moment makes me cringe. She grabs the pitcher of beer holding it after just saying "we are in trouble", waits for Natalie to push the cop, and then pours it over the cop giving him an attitude look like, "bitch please" They should have done that scene a little better. Just the way she grabs the pitcher of beer and holds it knowing she's waiting for her mark is silly. She should have grabbed it after Natalie pushes him so it made it a surprise she was going to pour it on him.

Season 1 is definitely a complete different show. I prefer the Jo seasons because I like the core four friendship and how it's explored over the course of the show how tight they grow. They aren't just friends. They become family.

I don't know if I agree with this. It's usually the big ones that act all tough like Big Bertha that are the weak chihuahua's. Size doesn't always make a person tough no matter how much they try. I think Jo would have taken her.

I love how Needlebutt was treated. I didn't feel any sympathy for her. I was just glad she was gone. The worst character ever for FOL. It made it even sweeter knowing she was humiliated As Drusilla said on Buffy, "do it again, do it again!"

Maybe Blair entered the painting in an art show and that's where they went during cleaning? It should have been thrown away though if Blair wasn't going to keep it.

I like Blair as a snob though because when she goes through something meaningful, you see the real Blair shine through. Her being a snob is just a front for who she really is on the inside. That's why her breakup from Cliff really affected her. Everyone thought she'd be fine with it because of how she presents herself to others. Instead, she showed everyone she really does care about others and hurts when she unintentionally hurts someone else.

I don't see this at all with Blair. What Blair's main problem in the episode was is why Harrison picked Jo over her. And again, I don't think Blair was a rebel at all in season 1. She was more caring about others than doing bad things. She wanted to help Natalie find her birth parents, she wanted to help Molly with her problems over her dad, she covered for Sue Ann during the marijuana episode, she spoke up to Tootie's father who was going to take Tootie out of Eastland AND she even comforted Mrs. Garrett in the same episode when she saw how badly Mrs. Garrett was affected by Mr. Ramsey wanting Tootie to stay away from her, and other caring moments from Blair. I don't see the rebel in Blair at all because she's the heart of the group of friends.

cfr, are you needing a rock like Jo's? :p I'll look on ebay for one I think all the girls have layers, not just Jo, and we see this as the series goes on. Blair has just as many episodes as Jo on who she truly is and how she became the way she is. She didn't have family around her growing up because her parents hired people to look after her. Blair never had the true meaning of family until Mrs. Garrett and the other 3 girls.

Before I begin, I'm so glad I was never on this show because no one can age a man faster than cfr in his reviews Harrison goes from 30 to 35 in a just a few sentences

I love this scene of Blair going to kick Harrison's ass. We see again Blair will stand up for her friends and for what's right. No matter how shallow Blair may come off, she has layers to her that come out to surprise the viewers. This is why I consider Lisa the star of girls. Her character is so complex and we see this over the years.

Also, no, I'm not going to view their freeze frame moment as a potential kissing scene. Sorry cfr, they're friends who become like family. Nothing more

Again, Harrison ages another 5 years here

I love that Tootie scene. I don't think Tootie knew she was being catty towards Blair which makes it even funnier.

Edit: we need to encourage TJ into letting us have more than 15 smilies in a post. I had to cut a lot out.

That was great reading you Christopher!!!! (i can't believe i had to wait until season 1 was over to have you on board again yippee!!!!)party:party:party:

And i absolutely agree on everything you said about BLAIR: she is definitely the heart of the group of friends, and her shallowness is only on the outside (MRS G said to her that on the inside she 'had a heart of gold').
In fact, i always suspected MRS G was the only one who TRULY knew there was more to BLAIR than meet the eyes...(Even her own friends JO, NAT and TOOTIE treated her as [I]shallow).
I'd say BLAIR was the most complex character out of the 4, and she definitely has layers to her that come out to surprise the viewers!!!!!:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

A great example is the episode 'Working it out': BLAIR is truly upset about her breakup with CLIFF. She thinks she is not a person of depth because she has stopped loving him.
MRS G has the right answer for her as usual: "people fall out of love all the time".
'Working it out'is really my favourite episode of season 6, because it shows you the motherly chemistry between MRS G and BLAIR: you see how concerned she is about her, because she is falling back into her bad habits; dating a different guy every day, cutting classes without a care in the world ....
MRS G knows that something is wrong with BLAIR and that she is hurt, but she doesn't know how to reach out. She still feels that the 4 girls are her responsibility, and being the motherly person she is, she decides to ground BLAIR even though she is already an adult.
BLAIR's reaction of course is to rebel, and when she calls MRS G a landlady i think she regretted it immediately, but instead of apologizing she goes out slamming the door behind her....
That final moment is so bittersweet though: when MRS G tells BLAIR that she is now on her own two feet, BLAIR's facial expression shows disbelief, and then she finally answers, "But i'll make so many mistakes....."
Out of the 4 girls, i always felt that BLAIR was the one who needed MRS G the most.....:baby::baby::baby:

PS: you're right about 15 smilies not being enough (i always have to erase a few of my own)!!!!!

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

valentina warner

06-19-2020, 09:44 PM

cfr1970

06-19-2020, 09:57 PM

valentina warner

06-19-2020, 10:21 PM

What they did was erase everything that happened after the first Halloween to make Jamie's character alive again. So basically all the films we saw after part 1 didn't happen and we wasted our time and money watching them. :lol:

I think it's a slap in the face to fans any why i'm done with the Halloweens and i'm a huge fan of the franchise, but they killed it for me. They already had her character wait 20 years for his return in H20, and they just redid that as 40 years later in the last film...it's silly.

I don't remember Scream 2-4...only the first one. So I have to watch them all to see how I feel about a part 5. I just hope they don't erase history like Halloween did.

I got the SCREAM TRILOGY (i watched the 4th part at the cinema which was presumably the last).:devil::devil::devil:

Christopher

06-19-2020, 10:23 PM

I think they made Jo just a little TOO angry when she first arrived to the point where it could've alienated viewers early on. That obviously didn't happen, but when Blair extended her hand in friendship by offering her Jordaches, Jo's response of taking them in just seemed uncalled for. There's angry, and then there's "bitch on wheels" which Jo was.

Granted, she toned down as the series progressed, and even by Double Standard was chummy with Blair at the end, but her anger was a bit overboard in that first appearance imo.

I agree she was very angry. I'm hoping that was part of the backstory for Jo since she was forced into Eastland by her mom to keep her and Eddie apart.

To me, that scene showed Jo was all talk and probably never even used that fake id before in her life. If she did, she wouldn't have put those heels on like an amatuer.

That's a great point you make that I never thought about. Jo knew she couldn't wear heels so why bother when she's trying to portray herself like an adult?

I agree it should've been reshot because to have Tootie do that right after saying "we're in trouble" makes no sense. In fact, if anyone was going to do that I think it would've been Jo instead.

Well I think it made sense for Tootie to do it because she's the youngest child of the group with little impulse control; I just don't think she should have grabbed the pitcher so quickly and waited. Did she telepathically tell Natalie to push the guy so she could pour the beer on him? It was so cheesy and cringeworthy. I wish they had seen that when filming the scene.

True and I do like Jo but it's so easy to rag on her in the beginning with the way she acts...and besides, until Kelly arrives in season 5, there's no Urchins to pick on.

:lol:

I don't think we ever see Jo get into a real physical fight, and come to think of it, that should've been done with the tough girl from The Bronx. She may be a good fighter, but since we never get to see her in action, I think Big Bertha would've knocked her on her ponytail. :lol:

No, we never saw Jo fight anyone on screen. Well she did stand up to her friend in New York, New York. I think she would have beaten the crap out of her if the scene were to go that way.

You're worse than me because I did feel a little sorry for her because she was just a kid and I just can't see why they brought her back for that one tiny scene if she wasn't contractually obligated...it just seemed cruel...but maybe she pissed off someone with her Needlebutt ways lol.

I am worst than you and everybody else on her, I know :lol: It's just, Molly had her first big break with The Facts of Life. They even taught her a valuable lesson about showbiz; you get fired when someone better comes along. She could have been humble but instead, she became this bitter stuck up bitch ignoring the fans she had from the show. I don't like her and as I said in previous threads, porn stars have more money than some actors / actresses so Molly's bank account means crap IMO. Traci Lords probably has more money than her and she actually is a better actress. In her shows / movies that is; not her skinflicks :lol: cfr, remember when Traci was on Melrose Place as the woman who trashed Shooters framing Sydney for it and then getting her into the cult? Season 3 was such a great year for Melrose Place. And very risque for Aaron Spelling to allow a former porn star on his show.

The snob angle worked well for a few seasons but went into overdrive towards the end of the series when by that point, she had really grown past that already. The watch episode pretty much reinforced Blair's growth from snob to human being, and everything after should've been played with Blair more down to earth, but for some reason the writers decided regression was more comical for her character.

I like Blair season 8. I still saw her as the same and she even showed more of her comical side.

We desperately need more smilies allowed...I too have to cut out when I reply and it's just added work. We should start a petition!! :)

We would need to suggest it on this forum (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=166) :)

Christopher

06-19-2020, 10:29 PM

So if they did drop the relationship angle then it ruins the entire series and basically voids the whole history and I hate that. Why not just make a whole new movie then and call it something else?

The fact that the writers want fans to swallow that this babysitter in 1978, who accidently stumbled onto a random serial killer who offed her friends, and chased her for 5 minutes, would spend the next 4 DECADES of her life preparing for his return lol. It makes zero sense now that it was just a random crime she happened upon. This is how low Hollywood apparently thinks of us, that we'll just buy whatever they force feed us no matter how illogical.

And since it made so much money, it sadly proves they're correct, and we have 2 more on the way with a 60 year old Jaime Lee still fighting Michael Myers...where the hell does it end?! They did it wonderfully with H20 and the following one where Michael finally got her was a good closing. It should've been done there. But oh well...this is what audiences apparently want I guess. :rolleyes:

And I did read about the upcoming Scream sequel...not sure how I feel about that either...these are films made 20 years ago...why keep dragging them along instead of coming up with something new?! :confused::confused:

Well John Carpenter said he regretted making Michael and Laurie siblings. He thought it would be more terrifying if a serial killer just targeted a random person without any reason. That's why he dropped it in the latest film.

I can understand continuing Scream. Scream the movie series has never been messed up over the years. Sydney is still the badass heroine that makes sure the ones who want her dead are killed. Although with everything being so PC nowadays, I'm worried how a new Scream movie will be. Did you ever hear of the MTV series Scream? Seasons 1 and 2 had a continuing story of their own with Ghostface. When MTV renewed it for a season 3, they canceled the continuing storyline and rewrote it using the PC agenda. They compared it to the movie, 'Get Out', where white people kill black people because of their abilities. Once I read how Scream season 3 was going to include racism, I skipped it. I hope if Scream 5 goes on, they're able to stick with the original story of Sydney and not some propaganda bull crap.

Christopher

06-19-2020, 10:38 PM

That was great reading you Christopher!!!! (i can't believe i had to wait until season 1 was over to have you on board again yippee!!!!)party:

I actually stopped replying during his reviews of season 9. I'm not a passionate season 9 fan and didn't have much to contribute. Same with season 1. I didn't want to say anything that might persuade his opinion while reviewing the season. But yes, I'm back and enjoying more than just FOL talk with you guys. Horror movies are my favorite genre to watch. I'm a Freddy / Ghostface geek :rock:

A great example is the episode 'Working it out': BLAIR is truly upset about her breakup with CLIFF. She thinks she is not a person of depth because she has stopped loving him.
MRS G has the right answer for her as usual: "people fall out of love all the time".
'Working it out'is really my favourite episode of season 6, because it shows you the motherly chemistry between MRS G and BLAIR: you see how concerned she is about her, because she is falling back into her bad habits; dating a different guy every day, cutting classes without a care in the world

This episode was a big moment for Blair. I think we see her human side more in this episode than any other. She hates herself for what she did to Cliff and punishes herself by sabotaging her friendships with the girls, her relationship with Mrs. Garrett, and portrays herself as everyone sees her, flighty man addict. She really self-loathed herself in this episode that it was sad watching. She's not a vain, snobby, heartless woman at all. She really does care how others are and hates it when she hurts someone. It's one of my favorites too.

Christopher

06-19-2020, 10:45 PM

Oh my god Christopher and cfr1970: if a new SCREAM is out i'm up for it!!!!!! (i just love all of them and have been wondering about it too!)

In fact, if there ever was another FINAL DESTINATION movie i'll be running straight to the cinema hooray!!!!

PS: i'm also a big HORROR FAN!!!!!!

I have watched all theHALLOWEEN movies, but never understood why JAMIE LEE CURTIS came back from the dead on her last one (it was out 2 years ago i think) if she supposedly died by the hands of MICHAEL MYERS on that 'mental hospital' where she was held prisoner?????

I don't know about Final Destination. That series ended so perfectly with 5 that I'm satisfied of never having another one again. Now Scream on the other hand, as long as it's the core three and they're the same as they've been in the first 4 movies, I'm all for however many they want to make. David, Courteney, and Neve are Scream and should never be killed off.

What they did was erase everything that happened after the first Halloween to make Jamie's character alive again. So basically all the films we saw after part 1 didn't happen and we wasted our time and money watching them. :lol:

I think it's a slap in the face to fans any why i'm done with the Halloweens and i'm a huge fan of the franchise, but they killed it for me. They already had her character wait 20 years for his return in H20, and they just redid that as 40 years later in the last film...it's silly.

I don't remember Scream 2-4...only the first one. So I have to watch them all to see how I feel about a part 5. I just hope they don't erase history like Halloween did.

As cfr pointed out, they did erase all the Halloween's that was made after 1. It doesn't make sense anymore why Laurie is so terrified of Michael. He's a serial killer. He should be killing anyone for the thrill of it. Why a babysitter? Because she got away from him? It doesn't make sense.

Scream has never been messed with like the Halloween movies. Wes Craven has done the series justice with his sequels. Each movie is centered around Sydney still and who is out to get her. That's why I'm curious who are they going to make try to kill her this time? Scream 4 was so much fun at the end. I'm not going to ruin it for you, but all 4 movies in the Scream series are a blast to watch :dance::guitar:party:party:popcorn::jig:

Lorimar Television

06-19-2020, 11:15 PM

It’s interesting how Blair is more shallow in s2 on. Did Jo just bring cattiness out in her? Did Sue Ann, Molly, and Cindy keep her more in touch with her conscience? (Yes Ik I Nancied someone ;) )

valentina warner

06-20-2020, 03:09 PM

It’s interesting how Blair is more shallow in s2 on. Did Jo just bring cattiness out in her? Did Sue Ann, Molly, and Cindy keep her more in touch with her conscience? (Yes Ik I Nancied someone ;) )

That's what i'v been telling everyone: BLAIR from season 1 is different from BLAIR season 2!!!!!!!:meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya:

Lorimar Television

06-20-2020, 06:21 PM

That's what i'v been telling everyone: BLAIR from season 1 is different from BLAIR season 2!!!!!!!:meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya:

Jo's influence without Sue Ann's conscience ;)

Lorimar Television

06-20-2020, 09:22 PM

Cfr are you gonna watch Reba today?

cfr1970

06-20-2020, 11:36 PM

Cfr are you gonna watch Reba today?

So THAT'S what I forgot to do tonight!! :lol::lol::lol: Oh man i'm getting old! :eek:

I watched my "Nightmare on Elm St. Pt. 2" earlier tonight (didn't care for this one either...maybe with Pt. 3 it gets better?:confused:)....Anyway, after it was over i'm flipping through the TV channels looking for anything interesting but thinking in the back of my mind that I know i'm forgetting something, but couldn't quite remember what lol.

So I just let The Six Million Dollar Man play on Cozi and then came here and saw your post and finally remembered "Reba was what I wanted to watch after the movie tonight!" :lol::wallbang

I wanted to do another 4 episodes of that tonight, so will just do it tomorrow night before I watch my Sunday MTM. I have so many dvd's to watch that i'm getting confused as to which night i'm supposed to watch what. :lol: :wave:

cfr1970

06-20-2020, 11:44 PM

That's what i'v been telling everyone: BLAIR from season 1 is different from BLAIR season 2!!!!!!!:meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya:

Blair of season 1 was more level headed and even a protector of others, like how she was with Tootie in Dope. I think the writers needed to veer her away from having those qualities in order to show more of a disparity between her and new character Angry Jo to raise the conflict between them.

I think Angry Jo would've liked season 1 Blair and they'd probably have been instant friends, so writers had to inject more of a snobbish attitude into her in order to make them more opposites so they'd dislike each other.

Lorimar Television

06-20-2020, 11:48 PM

So THAT'S what I forgot to do tonight!! :lol::lol::lol: Oh man i'm getting old! :eek:

I watched my "Nightmare on Elm St. Pt. 2" earlier tonight (didn't care for this one either...maybe with Pt. 3 it gets better?:confused:)....Anyway, after it was over i'm flipping through the TV channels looking for anything interesting but thinking in the back of my mind that I know i'm forgetting something, but couldn't quite remember what lol.

So I just let The Six Million Dollar Man play on Cozi and then came here and saw your post and finally remembered "Reba was what I wanted to watch after the movie tonight!" :lol::wallbang

I wanted to do another 4 episodes of that tonight, so will just do it tomorrow night before I watch my Sunday MTM. I have so many dvd's to watch that i'm getting confused as to which night i'm supposed to watch what. :lol: :wave:

Haha no prob

80s Dude

06-21-2020, 07:21 AM

Christopher

06-21-2020, 09:37 AM

I watched my "Nightmare on Elm St. Pt. 2" earlier tonight (didn't care for this one either...maybe with Pt. 3 it gets better?:confused:)....

I didn't like part 2 either. I think part 3 gets better. The kills are more entertaining. We also start to see Freddy's history come into play with this movie.

I have so many dvd's to watch that i'm getting confused as to which night i'm supposed to watch what. :lol: :wave:

Have you tried setting the ones you want to watch on your Blu-Ray player so you can remind yourself that way when you go to put a disc in? This is why I like making my own playlist of episodes to watch with my digital copies. Each day I have a lineup of shows I want to watch so I'm not constantly skimming through my folders of which show to watch.

Christopher

06-21-2020, 09:46 AM

Blair of season 1 was more level headed and even a protector of others, like how she was with Tootie in Dope. I think the writers needed to veer her away from having those qualities in order to show more of a disparity between her and new character Angry Jo to raise the conflict between them.

I think Angry Jo would've liked season 1 Blair and they'd probably have been instant friends, so writers had to inject more of a snobbish attitude into her in order to make them more opposites so they'd dislike each other.

I don't see the changes in Blair from season 1 to season 2 like some of you guys do. She still uses her money and name to get what she wants. It even bugged Sue Ann like in the episode Adoption when Blair was going to find out who Natalie's birth mother was. She was even full of herself in season 1. I thought it was worst in season 1 than the following seasons. She had to pose correctly for Molly's pictures, she made the crack about her IQ being higher than her waist size, she talked about how perfect she was in her poem she wrote (love the perky little nose line :lol: ), and other moments. She's not that different compared to season 2. I thought Blair grew up more starting in season 2 and onward than season 1. I also don't see Blair in season 1 going to deck a boy for what he says about one of her friends like she tried in Double Standard. Blair season 1 had to be perfect. Look how horrified she was when Sue Ann and Cindy were fighting. I really don't see this rebel and spectacular Blair fans make her out to be in season 1.

cfr1970

06-21-2020, 10:34 AM

Sometimes Blair is still the protector. She even protects Angry Jo. Like when she threw the pie at Needlebutt's lunch partner or went after her childhood friend who took Angry Jo to the dance because he thought Angry Jo would be easy. Though there will be an episode where Blair tries to sneak off with somebody's boyfriend and you won't believe who it is.

I can't believe I left that out and I just watched it lol. Yes, Blair definitely was still the protector even with Angry Jo in Double Standard when she quickly came to her defense of the 50 year old Bates date. I think i'm focusing too much on the new snobby attitude that she has now in season 2 that I tend to forget moments when she's "real" Blair.

I hope the boyfriend she sneaks off with isn't Mrs. Garrett's because we know Blair likes her men old. :lol: <no spoilers!> :bash:

cfr1970

06-21-2020, 10:46 AM

I didn't like part 2 either. I think part 3 gets better. The kills are more entertaining. We also start to see Freddy's history come into play with this movie.

I thought Freddy only came to them in their dreams and there he was killing kids at a pool party. I was like "How is he doing that in reality if he's restricted to their dreams?!"...And then the girl went to the old power plant to fight him and she wasn't sleeping, so he was in the real world? That confused the hell out of me. Andhey also made a little parrot explode and being a bird owner that didn't sit well with me....though I did laugh at the falling feathers afterwards. :lol:

Have you tried setting the ones you want to watch on your Blu-Ray player so you can remind yourself that way when you go to put a disc in? This is why I like making my own playlist of episodes to watch with my digital copies. Each day I have a lineup of shows I want to watch so I'm not constantly skimming through my folders of which show to watch.

That's what I did last night. I took the Reba dvd and put it next to the TV to remind me to watch tonight. I'm buying up so many dvd's lately that I should make some kind of list for when to watch them or they'd just go onto the shelf to collect dust. :lol:

cfr1970

06-21-2020, 10:58 AM

I don't see the changes in Blair from season 1 to season 2 like some of you guys do. She still uses her money and name to get what she wants. It even bugged Sue Ann like in the episode Adoption when Blair was going to find out who Natalie's birth mother was. She was even full of herself in season 1. I thought it was worst in season 1 than the following seasons. She had to pose correctly for Molly's pictures, she made the crack about her IQ being higher than her waist size, she talked about how perfect she was in her poem she wrote (love the perky little nose line :lol: ), and other moments. She's not that different compared to season 2. I thought Blair grew up more starting in season 2 and onward than season 1. I also don't see Blair in season 1 going to deck a boy for what he says about one of her friends like she tried in Double Standard. Blair season 1 had to be perfect. Look how horrified she was when Sue Ann and Cindy were fighting. I really don't see this rebel and spectacular Blair fans make her out to be in season 1.

Maybe "rebel" is the wrong word to use. But she is more down to earth and accessible with her peers than she is in season 2. Sure there's moments where she still comes out to defend them like she did in Double Standard with Jo, but we see her act like she's above them much more than we saw her do in the previous season.
I think the writers purposely did that to enhance the conflict between her and Jo and it was a successful change that worked, but Blair is less snobby in the first season than she is in the next.

cfr1970

06-21-2020, 02:36 PM

“Who Am I?”

This is a great episode that I always liked because I love all the drama!

There’s an annual dance contest coming up at Eastland that Tootie and her partner won last year which i'd really love to see because she apparently did it on roller skates since she never took them off then. :lol:

The new candy machine filler Fred is a racist creep who gets upset when he sees black Tootie among her white friends and without a “sister” in sight. :rolleyes:

Tootie is initially smitten with him and introduces herself but quickly realizes he has contempt for white people when he calls Eastland an “ivory tower”. Blair walks in and only sets him off further when she hands Tootie the fabric for a dress she’s making for her art class that Blair is going to wear to the dance.

Tootie is making that dress anyway for this project, and Blair offers her the fabric free from the Warner Company if she’ll make the dress in her size so she can wear it to the dance. But racist Fred interprets this as slavery because Blair is white and thinks she’s treating Tootie like she’s Mammy from Gone With the Wind. He even asks Tootie if she does her laundry too. Wow what an ass! Tootie’s initial reaction is the same at first, because she tells him to back the hell off.:eek:

But he tightens the screws further by saying Blair talks down to her, but a smart Tootie shoots back that that's just Blair and she talks down to everybody lol.

But he’s not finished working on her and tells her that when you mix a black person with white friends you get a “confused zebra”. (seems Fred's been watching too much of The Jeffersons.) Tootie still isn’t buying his crap and tells him “I don’t know if I want to talk to you anymore.”...but he turns on his charm saying he’s just “rappin’” with her and everything’s “cool” and poor Tootie is taken in and gushes back at the creep. Ew. puke:

Days apparently have gone by and Tootie continues seeing racist Fred and he’s only been filling her mind with more garbage because innocent sayings like “white lie” and “behind the eight ball” now trigger her into talks about race. The other girls are bewildered by her new obsession with their difference in races and are even a little hurt and offended by her sudden distance towards them.

All of it is a little difficult to watch, especially in these current times where the media seems intent on igniting a race war in the country, but it’s startling just how easily manipulated impressionable minds can be swayed.

Fred almost made Tootie believe all of his nonsensical crap and thankfully once again it’s Mrs. Garrett who comes to the rescue! Now she doesn’t really tell her anything because she freely admits that “the black experience” isn’t her experience---BUT---what Tootie needs to do is look inside herself for the answers and not to others.

Before Mrs. Garrett tells her this though, Tootie seeks out other Eastland “sisters” and sets up a meeting with them because this is what she thinks she's supposed to do based on her skin color. It’s a very funny scene because all Tootie wants to do is talk about being black with them, while the other girls have regular teenage interests they’d much rather talk about. :lol:

When Tootie asks one where she’s from, she responds with “Baltimore”...and Tootie is all “No where are you ORIGINALLY from?", expecting to hear ancestral origins, but the girl comically replies with “Atlanta” to Tootie’s dismay lol.

It’s a funny scene and shows that normal teenage girls don’t just sit around discussing their race with each other, but have the same interests as anyone else regardless of color. I think she begins to realize this even before Mrs. G comes to have her talk with her.

Tootie finishes Blair’s dress and instead of making what Blair asked her for, she gives her this hideous African looking gown that Blair very nicely accepts and even compliments her on. This is where I love Blair for being diplomatic and it shows her depth and maturity.

I think it would’ve been perfectly acceptable for Blair to say “This isn’t the dress I asked for” and she’d be 100% right, but she saw how Tootie was struggling with the garbage racist crap that Fred was feeding her and decided to be sensitive instead and I love her for that because that dress really was butt ugly lol.

The dance comes and Tootie has ditched her regular partner Carl because he’s white and decided that racist black Fred should be her partner even though he can’t dance as well. And he dances SO bad that even Angry Jo looks on and cracks “Another myth shot to pieces”. Tootie is horrified as well by racist Fred’s bad dancing and her old partner Carl comes up and says it’s not too late to dance with him. :lol:

Racist Fred is all “Do you really want to dance with that white boy?” And Tootie is like “No, I want to dance with Carl!” and racist Fred cracks that her friends all “dance white” and that low comment finally wakes Tootie up completely from his brainwashing and she tells him “If they dance white, then I do too because I taught them how to dance!” :lol:

She tells him that she can think for herself and can choose her own friends and no one is going to pick them for her. She even appeases the ass by saying “I picked you didn’t I”. (UGH!) and that makes racist Fred happy and he finally backs off. (And I truly hope she never sees him ever again!)

Tootie begins to dance with Carl and what’s really funny here is how Blair & Natalie look on all happy and smiling, while Angry Jo is so…..angry looking! :mad: Seriously, she looks on like she wants to murder them and it’s hysterical. Watch it and you’ll see...she looks so mad watching them dance and I don’t know why. It's very bizarre!

And even before that, Angry Jo was a real bitch when two innocent guys approached her and before they even getting a chance to talk she shuts them down by growling “What are you smiling at?” and “Keep walking nerd”. And neither guys did anything to warrant it. She’s so unlikeable here that I hoped both guys had smacked her before walking away. She’s just angry for the sake of being angry! Lighten the hell up you nasty girl! :angryfire

Anyways, it’s a really good episode where we see an important “Fact of Life” shown and it’s handled very well and Kim Fields really shines here. The scene in the kitchen where she yells at Mrs. G how she’s afraid she’ll lose herself in a mostly all white environment is done exceptionally well and you see real tears well up in her eyes (Eat your heart out Jo! Tootie can do it too!) :lol:

Oh and this episode is where we first see Blair tell the others that he’s just had another one of her “brilliant ideas”!! Yay!!....And also Natalie does a very awkward “Black Power” sign with her fist to Tootie’s “sister” friends that’s funny but would surely be met with gasps and pearl clutching today lol.

I really love these heavy drama episodes because it’s where the show shines its brightest imo and the girls shine as well. :):wave:

valentina warner

06-21-2020, 07:41 PM

I don't see the changes in Blair from season 1 to season 2 like some of you guys do. She still uses her money and name to get what she wants. It even bugged Sue Ann like in the episode Adoption when Blair was going to find out who Natalie's birth mother was. She was even full of herself in season 1. I thought it was worst in season 1 than the following seasons. She had to pose correctly for Molly's pictures, she made the crack about her IQ being higher than her waist size, she talked about how perfect she was in her poem she wrote (love the perky little nose line :lol: ), and other moments. She's not that different compared to season 2. I thought Blair grew up more starting in season 2 and onward than season 1. I also don't see Blair in season 1 going to deck a boy for what he says about one of her friends like she tried in Double Standard. Blair season 1 had to be perfect. Look how horrified she was when Sue Ann and Cindy were fighting. I really don't see this rebel and spectacular Blair fans make her out to be in season 1.

I have to say you'r confusing me Christopher: yesterday you said BLAIR was the heart of the group, and now you're saying she's full of herself and especially on season 1????
I don't see that at all: the only time she was nasty and horrible, was on the episode 'Rough housing', when she bullied CINDY and called her strange!!!!! (before MRS G worked her magic on her).
But afterwards she was helping out her younger friends when they were in need (just as you pointed out yesterday) and i never got under the impression that she was a snob at all: she was lose and dating older boys, but she never talked about money or being perfect the way she does on season 2....
She might have not being a rebel, but she was definitely less uptight on season 1 that she was in any other seasons.

It is true though, that BLAIR did most of the growing by season 4....

:yeahthat:yeahthat:yeahthat:yeahthat:yeahthat:yeahthat:yeahthat:yeahthat:yeahthat:yeahthat

valentina warner

06-22-2020, 05:54 PM

“Who Am I?”

This is a great episode that I always liked because I love all the drama!

There’s an annual dance contest coming up at Eastland that Tootie and her partner won last year which i'd really love to see because she apparently did it on roller skates since she never took them off then.

The new candy machine filler Fred is a racist creep who gets upset when he sees black Tootie among her white friends and without a “sister” in sight.

Tootie is initially smitten with him and introduces herself but quickly realizes he has contempt for white people when he calls Eastland an “ivory tower”. Blair walks in and only sets him off further when she hands Tootie the fabric for a dress she’s making for her art class that Blair is going to wear to the dance.

Tootie is making that dress anyway for this project, and Blair offers her the fabric free from the Warner Company if she’ll make the dress in her size so she can wear it to the dance. But racist Fred interprets this as slavery because Blair is white and thinks she’s treating Tootie like she’s Mammy from Gone With the Wind. He even asks Tootie if she does her laundry too. Wow what an ass! Tootie’s initial reaction is the same at first, because she tells him to back the hell off

But he tightens the screws further by saying Blair talks down to her, but a smart Tootie shoots back that that's just Blair and she talks down to everybody lol.

But he’s not finished working on her and tells her that when you mix a black person with white friends you get a “confused zebra”. (seems Fred's been watching too much of The Jeffersons.) Tootie still isn’t buying his crap and tells him “I don’t know if I want to talk to you anymore.”...but he turns on his charm saying he’s just “rappin’” with her and everything’s “cool” and poor Tootie is taken in and gushes back at the creep. Ew.

Days apparently have gone by and Tootie continues seeing racist Fred and he’s only been filling her mind with more garbage because innocent sayings like “white lie” and “behind the eight ball” now trigger her into talks about race. The other girls are bewildered by her new obsession with their difference in races and are even a little hurt and offended by her sudden distance towards them.

All of it is a little difficult to watch, especially in these current times where the media seems intent on igniting a race war in the country, but it’s startling just how easily manipulated impressionable minds can be swayed.

Fred almost made Tootie believe all of his nonsensical crap and thankfully once again it’s Mrs. Garrett who comes to the rescue! Now she doesn’t really tell her anything because she freely admits that “the black experience” isn’t her experience---BUT---what Tootie needs to do is look inside herself for the answers and not to others.

Before Mrs. Garrett tells her this though, Tootie seeks out other Eastland “sisters” and sets up a meeting with them because this is what she thinks she's supposed to do based on her skin color. It’s a very funny scene because all Tootie wants to do is talk about being black with them, while the other girls have regular teenage interests they’d much rather talk about.

When Tootie asks one where she’s from, she responds with “Baltimore”...and Tootie is all “No where are you ORIGINALLY from?", expecting to hear ancestral origins, but the girl comically replies with “Atlanta” to Tootie’s dismay lol.

It’s a funny scene and shows that normal teenage girls don’t just sit around discussing their race with each other, but have the same interests as anyone else regardless of color. I think she begins to realize this even before Mrs. G comes to have her talk with her.

Tootie finishes Blair’s dress and instead of making what Blair asked her for, she gives her this hideous African looking gown that Blair very nicely accepts and even compliments her on. This is where I love Blair for being diplomatic and it shows her depth and maturity.

I think it would’ve been perfectly acceptable for Blair to say “This isn’t the dress I asked for” and she’d be 100% right, but she saw how Tootie was struggling with the garbage racist crap that Fred was feeding her and decided to be sensitive instead and I love her for that because that dress really was butt ugly lol.

The dance comes and Tootie has ditched her regular partner Carl because he’s white and decided that racist black Fred should be her partner even though he can’t dance as well. And he dances SO bad that even Angry Jo looks on and cracks “Another myth shot to pieces”. Tootie is horrified as well by racist Fred’s bad dancing and her old partner Carl comes up and says it’s not too late to dance with him.

Racist Fred is all “Do you really want to dance with that white boy?” And Tootie is like “No, I want to dance with Carl!” and racist Fred cracks that her friends all “dance white” and that low comment finally wakes Tootie up completely from his brainwashing and she tells him “If they dance white, then I do too because I taught them how to dance!”

She tells him that she can think for herself and can choose her own friends and no one is going to pick them for her. She even appeases the ass by saying “I picked you didn’t I”. (UGH!) and that makes racist Fred happy and he finally backs off. (And I truly hope she never sees him ever again!)

Tootie begins to dance with Carl and what’s really funny here is how Blair & Natalie look on all happy and smiling, while Angry Jo is so…..angry looking! Seriously, she looks on like she wants to murder them and it’s hysterical. Watch it and you’ll see...she looks so mad watching them dance and I don’t know why. It's very bizarre!

And even before that, Angry Jo was a real bitch when two innocent guys approached her and before they even getting a chance to talk she shuts them down by growling “What are you smiling at?” and “Keep walking nerd”. And neither guys did anything to warrant it. She’s so unlikeable here that I hoped both guys had smacked her before walking away. She’s just angry for the sake of being angry! Lighten the hell up you nasty girl!

Anyways, it’s a really good episode where we see an important “Fact of Life” shown and it’s handled very well and Kim Fields really shines here. The scene in the kitchen where she yells at Mrs. G how she’s afraid she’ll lose herself in a mostly all white environment is done exceptionally well and you see real tears well up in her eyes (Eat your heart out Jo! Tootie can do it too!)

Oh and this episode is where we first see Blair tell the others that he’s just had another one of her “brilliant ideas”!! Yay!!....And also Natalie does a very awkward “Black Power” sign with her fist to Tootie’s “sister” friends that’s funny but would surely be met with gasps and pearl clutching today lol.

I really love these heavy drama episodes because it’s where the show shines its brightest imo and the girls shine as well.

Hello cfr1970!!!!

That was a great review you wrote last night, and if i only replied now it's because i was out with my flatmate until very late: yesterday was the LONGEST day and summer begin, and so we decided to go up the mountains (i live on the outskirts) to watch the sunset....The sky was really beautiful and blueish (even though it had rained) and we had stayed out until 11 pm, having drinks etc....

'Who am i' is definitely a TOOTIE episode, and ones of my favourites on season 2: i especially like the 'heart to heart' between TOOTIE and MRS G, and when she says the black experience isn't her experience it was in a very sweet and tender:grouphug::grouphug:

JO on the other hand was annoying and very aggressive you're right: the way she snaps at those 2 boys (who were probably shy and nervous about talking to girls) was very brutal, and i felt really sorry for them!!!!
On another note: did you see the way she was glaring at SUE ANN??? (only for a split second at the dance)

BLAIR on the other hand was very graceful and she handled TOOTIE really well, complimenting her about the dress and saying how she loved it! In fact, i think she was the Belle of the ball when she wore it at the dance!!!! No matter how snobbish and spoiled BLAIR is: she is definitely the sensitive one with the biggest heart!!!!:bighug::bighug:

I found the black boy who befriended TOOTIE rather amusing in a peculiar way: i know he put ideas on her head, but to be honest he was just an insecure teenager trying to fit in with his white brothers, paranoid and lonely, who felt probably homier having a sister around him, so i wouldn't blame him for his silly behaviour (and neither did TOOTIE)!!!!:gary::gary:

The ones i didn't like, were TOOTIE's black friends: those girls were obviously not interested in getting to know her, they had nothing in common at all with her, and as soon as the cookies she prepared with such ardor were finished, they just left her alone and feeling like a fool!!!!!
Luckily that's when our 'feisty red haired' appeared (by magic as usual) just on time to work her magic on the baby of the group: our TOOTIE!!! :baby::baby:

PS: i like your comparison on FREDDY insinuating that BLAIR treats TOOTIE like MAMMY from GONE WITH THE WIND ha ha! (it's actually one of my favourite classics, and SCARLET is the new BLAIR + RHETT is BEN):brent:brent

The next episode is an ALL BLAIR, and of course one of my favourites: 'Cousin Geri', where we have MRS G working her magic on BLAIR again!!!:bighug::bighug:

popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:

Lorimar Television

06-22-2020, 06:51 PM

Sue Ann doesnt appear in that ep Valentina, you might be thinking of Sex Symbol

valentina warner

06-22-2020, 07:04 PM

Sue Ann doesnt appear in that ep Valentina, you might be thinking of Sex Symbol

Oops! You're right Lorsie! (what a dummy am i!!!!!):stupid::stupid::stupid::stupid::stupid::stupid::stupid::stupid:

Christopher

06-23-2020, 08:22 AM

I thought Freddy only came to them in their dreams and there he was killing kids at a pool party. I was like "How is he doing that in reality if he's restricted to their dreams?!"...And then the girl went to the old power plant to fight him and she wasn't sleeping, so he was in the real world? That confused the hell out of me. Andhey also made a little parrot explode and being a bird owner that didn't sit well with me....though I did laugh at the falling feathers afterwards. :lol:

Freddy is able to come to the real world if the kids he's attacking holds onto him as they wake up. This continues up to Freddy vs. Jason. With part 2, I have no clue what they were trying to do :lol: It was like they were using the boy to be Freddy's vessel because he was becoming Freddy and killing his friends. That's the only time we see that thankfully.

I have to say you'r confusing me Christopher: yesterday you said BLAIR was the heart of the group, and now you're saying she's full of herself and especially on season 1????
I don't see that at all: the only time she was nasty and horrible, was on the episode 'Rough housing', when she bullied CINDY and called her strange!!!!! (before MRS G worked her magic on her).
But afterwards she was helping out her younger friends when they were in need (just as you pointed out yesterday) and i never got under the impression that she was a snob at all: she was lose and dating older boys, but she never talked about money or being perfect the way she does on season 2....
She might have not being a rebel, but she was definitely less uptight on season 1 that she was in any other seasons.

Blair is the heart of the group, but she is also very vain and into her money. Let's start with Rough Housing. When she announces she's running for harvest queen, she takes pride in arrogantly saying she's running up. She also makes fun of Cindy not just because of how Cindy portrays herself, but also because Blair thinks she's prettier than others to win.

Like Mother, Like Daughter we see Blair again focusing on her looks. She tries to make herself ugly by wearing glasses and doing pigtails for her hair so she doesn't have a life like her mother.

IQ Blair makes a comment her IQ is higher than her weight. She also tells the vanishing duo not to worry because it causes frown lines. Here's her two best friends feeling like crap and instead of offering advice or support, she makes a remark regarding looks.

Even though Emily Dickison is my favorite episode of season 1, Blair does make it about how perfect looking she is with her poem. I still laugh at her perky little nose line and then Mrs. Garrett says here's a tissue for that perky little nose of hers :lol:

Dieting shows Blair focusing again on her weight and Sue Ann's weight. She makes snide comments about Sue Ann's thighs (at least I think it's this episode that comment is made) that cause Sue Ann to stop eating.

The Facts of Love shows Blair dating a guy Natalie has a crush on. Blair doesn't care how Natalie would feel because Blair wants what Blair wants. This is an aspect she was taught by her parents growing up over the money and name she has.

Adoption shows Blair using her family name to get Natalie's birth mother's name. Blair even makes a line, "the judge will probably trip over his robe" to get to the phone to talk to Blair like she's as powerful as God. We really see in this episode how Blair uses the spoiled rich girl act thinking she can do whatever she wants.

Running shows Blair worrying about Sue Ann's face getting bruised during the fist fighting rather than her two friends fighting. Blair's obsession over looks comes out again that it's more important to her than what's going on between her friends like the episode IQ.

In overview of Blair in season 1, she's not that much different than the Blair we see in the following seasons. If anything, I think Blair becomes more mature in the following seasons because she worries over her friends problems without making it a vain reason and tries to help them.

She tells him that she can think for herself and can choose her own friends and no one is going to pick them for her. She even appeases the ass by saying “I picked you didn’t I”. (UGH!) and that makes racist Fred happy and he finally backs off. (And I truly hope she never sees him ever again!)

This is the scene I really hate from the episode. Fred made all those racist comments and screwed with Tootie's head, but she's going to keep him around anyways? She should have kicked him to the curb because he isn't a nice person and he's not going to change his way of thinking.

cfr1970

06-23-2020, 11:06 AM

The ones i didn't like, were TOOTIE's black friends: those girls were obviously not interested in getting to know her, they had nothing in common at all with her, and as soon as the cookies she prepared with such ardor were finished, they just left her alone and feeling like a fool!!!!!

I love that scene because it showed a very important point. That just because you throw a bunch of people together based on their shared skin color, it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be compatible or instant friends.

That's what that scene was conveying imo. Tootie thought that she can just round up other black Eastland girls and have instant rapport with them just because they share the same skin color. It's silly.

One girl even corrected Tootie and told her she was from Jamaica and not Africa like Tootie ignorantly assumed just because she was black. I think it's a very effective scene that shows that our friends are who we share common interests and a rapport with.

It's the same if you round up any other groups of people together based on skin color, religion, or sex. They're not all going to be compatible with each other solely based on that one thing.

If Tootie felt like a fool, it was because her little plan was foolish and I think by the end of the episode she realized that. If you watch the scene from that perspective, I think you might agree. :):wave:

cfr1970

06-23-2020, 11:12 AM

valentina warner

06-23-2020, 02:14 PM

I love that scene because it showed a very important point. That just because you throw a bunch of people together based on their shared skin color, it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be compatible or instant friends.

That's what that scene was conveying imo. Tootie thought that she can just round up other black Eastland girls and have instant rapport with them just because they share the same skin color. It's silly.

One girl even corrected Tootie and told her she was from Jamaica and not Africa like Tootie ignorantly assumed just because she was black. I think it's a very effective scene that shows that our friends are who we share common interests and a rapport with.

It's the same if you round up any other groups of people together based on skin color, religion, or sex. They're not all going to be compatible with each other solely based on that one thing.

If Tootie felt like a fool, it was because her little plan was foolish and I think by the end of the episode she realized that. If you watch the scene from that perspective, I think you might agree. :):wave:

I see your pointcfr1970, so let's drink to that!!!!:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

valentina warner

06-23-2020, 02:28 PM

Freddy is able to come to the real world if the kids he's attacking holds onto him as they wake up. This continues up to Freddy vs. Jason. With part 2, I have no clue what they were trying to do :lol: It was like they were using the boy to be Freddy's vessel because he was becoming Freddy and killing his friends. That's the only time we see that thankfully.

Blair is the heart of the group, but she is also very vain and into her money. Let's start with Rough Housing. When she announces she's running for harvest queen, she takes pride in arrogantly saying she's running up. She also makes fun of Cindy not just because of how Cindy portrays herself, but also because Blair thinks she's prettier than others to win.

Like Mother, Like Daughter we see Blair again focusing on her looks. She tries to make herself ugly by wearing glasses and doing pigtails for her hair so she doesn't have a life like her mother.

IQ Blair makes a comment her IQ is higher than her weight. She also tells the vanishing duo not to worry because it causes frown lines. Here's her two best friends feeling like crap and instead of offering advice or support, she makes a remark regarding looks.

Even though Emily Dickison is my favorite episode of season 1, Blair does make it about how perfect looking she is with her poem. I still laugh at her perky little nose line and then Mrs. Garrett says here's a tissue for that perky little nose of hers :lol:

Dieting shows Blair focusing again on her weight and Sue Ann's weight. She makes snide comments about Sue Ann's thighs (at least I think it's this episode that comment is made) that cause Sue Ann to stop eating.

The Facts of Love shows Blair dating a guy Natalie has a crush on. Blair doesn't care how Natalie would feel because Blair wants what Blair wants. This is an aspect she was taught by her parents growing up over the money and name she has.

Adoption shows Blair using her family name to get Natalie's birth mother's name. Blair even makes a line, "the judge will probably trip over his robe" to get to the phone to talk to Blair like she's as powerful as God. We really see in this episode how Blair uses the spoiled rich girl act thinking she can do whatever she wants.

Running shows Blair worrying about Sue Ann's face getting bruised during the fist fighting rather than her two friends fighting. Blair's obsession over looks comes out again that it's more important to her than what's going on between her friends like the episode IQ.

In overview of Blair in season 1, she's not that much different than the Blair we see in the following seasons. If anything, I think Blair becomes more mature in the following seasons because she worries over her friends problems without making it a vain reason and tries to help them.

This is the scene I really hate from the episode. Fred made all those racist comments and screwed with Tootie's head, but she's going to keep him around anyways? She should have kicked him to the curb because he isn't a nice person and he's not going to change his way of thinking.

Hi Christopher!

I see your point of view on BLAIR, and you're right: she definitely focuses on her looks, but we only find out why is it so important for her to be beautiful many years later.......

Do you remember the episode from season 8 (i can't remember the title) where BLAIR is stuck in a winter cabin with her friends? She then confesses to BEVERLY ANN, that beauty was the only way to attract people's attention (the attention she craved from her own parents) and that is why she became a little obsessed with it and really believed it was the only way people would notice her: unfortunately BEVERLY ANN was asleep and never heard the confession, but i think it's the crucial moment when we begin to understand her need for affection and love.:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

RetroGuy2000

06-23-2020, 02:55 PM

I love that scene because it showed a very important point. That just because you throw a bunch of people together based on their shared skin color, it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be compatible or instant friends.

That's what that scene was conveying imo. Tootie thought that she can just round up other black Eastland girls and have instant rapport with them just because they share the same skin color. It's silly.

One girl even corrected Tootie and told her she was from Jamaica and not Africa like Tootie ignorantly assumed just because she was black. I think it's a very effective scene that shows that our friends are who we share common interests and a rapport with.

It's the same if you round up any other groups of people together based on skin color, religion, or sex. They're not all going to be compatible with each other solely based on that one thing.

CFR, what you are saying is so true. Fred got Tootie very confused about who her friends should be, based on the color of her skin. But from the pilot episode on, we saw Tootie's friends were a series of white girls: first Jennifer, Molly, Nancy, Sue Ann, and Kimberly; then Molly, Nancy, Sue Ann, Cindy, Natalie, and Blair; and finally Jo, Blair, and Natalie. Although we see Tootie occasionally interact with Terry, who is also African-American, we cannot say they were ever close. You can't force a friendship based on skin color. It just doesn't work that way.

(Also of note, one of the girls Tootie tries to befriend in this episode, Madge, is played by Lisa and Julie's co-star on the New Mickey Mouse Club: Shawntee Northcutte. It must have been cool for Lisa to reunite with one of her former co-workers.)

80s Dude

06-23-2020, 04:57 PM

80s Dude

06-23-2020, 05:01 PM

Blair was always vain. The main change from Season 1 to later seasons was that Blair was not as loose.

Christopher

06-23-2020, 06:53 PM

valentina warner

06-23-2020, 07:49 PM

Blair was more loose in the later seasons. She’s on date after date with different guys. Natalie scolds her claiming Blair is going to be a home wrecker like her father’s mistress. In Working It Out she’s out all night with God knows how many guys worrying Mrs. Garrett. She even brings one of the men up to her bedroom for role playing games. In season one, she didn’t have nearly as many guys like the later seasons. In fact, she was more reserved because she didn’t want to be like her mother in season one. Season one Blair was not loose at all.

It was heartbroken to see how devastated BLAIR was to end up like her mother, on the episode 'Like mother like daughter', but luckily MRS G works her magic on her, and they have their first 'heart to heart' talk.....:bighug::bighug::bighug:

I guess in season 1, BLAIR was a little shy and was mostly hanging out with guys because she loved the attention: after all, she was only a TEASE then!!!!:ladiesman:ladiesman:ladiesman

:cheer::cheer::cheer:

RetroGuy2000

06-23-2020, 11:50 PM

I went to a private college in the 80s that had lots of boarding school graduates going to it. Out of 1,500 hundred students, you could count the number of black students on both hands. Of those, most were from African or Caribbean wealthy families. That began to change in the 90s, but the demographics of Eastland were very realistic for the time.

I attended private junior high during the time FOL was on the air, and we had no African-American students. None. :eek:

I agree that the demographics of Eastland were very realistic for the era.

Lorimar Television

06-23-2020, 11:59 PM

I attended private junior high during the time FOL was on the air, and we had no African-American students. None. :eek:

I agree that the demographics of Eastland were very realistic for the era.

None? Wow that’s crazy!

RetroGuy2000

06-24-2020, 01:02 AM

None? Wow that’s crazy!

No so crazy. My graduating class was 11. :lol:

Lorimar Television

06-24-2020, 01:39 AM

No so crazy. My graduating class was 11. :lol:

Eleven? I went to a private high school and I didn’t even have any class with only 11 students.

RetroGuy2000

06-24-2020, 01:42 AM

Eleven? I went to a private high school and I didn’t even have any class with only 11 students.

Nine boys, two girls. :lol:

Lorimar Television

06-24-2020, 01:56 AM

Nine boys, two girls. :lol:

So ten or twelve kids ;)

RetroGuy2000

06-24-2020, 02:03 AM

So ten or twelve kids ;)

:brent

80s Dude

06-24-2020, 09:08 AM

They did appear to try to diversify the Eastand student body with the Asian character Miko in Season 3, but that went nowhere. Perhaps Angry Jo erupted.

Christopher

06-24-2020, 12:14 PM

I know from memory that the 3rd and 4th installments I liked because I remember seeing them in theaters in the late 80's. I think this is a series that's the opposite of Friday the 13th in that it got better as it went along whereas the Fridays got worse. :lol:

You didn't like it when Jason went to space? :lol: I think Freddy got better as it went on because it was more about the history of Freddy than the victims themselves. Freddy's Dead The Final Nightmare throws another angle in the Freddy story that was fun.

Hi Christopher!

I see your point of view on BLAIR, and you're right: she definitely focuses on her looks, but we only find out why is it so important for her to be beautiful many years later.......

Do you remember the episode from season 8 (i can't remember the title) where BLAIR is stuck in a winter cabin with her friends? She then confesses to BEVERLY ANN, that beauty was the only way to attract people's attention (the attention she craved from her own parents) and that is why she became a little obsessed with it and really believed it was the only way people would notice her: unfortunately BEVERLY ANN was asleep and never heard the confession, but i think it's the crucial moment when we begin to understand her need for affection and love.

:eek: Valentina, you watched a season 8 episode?!?!?!?! I'm shocked :faint: :lol: I like the episode you mentioned, A Winter's Tale. Beverly Ann telling Dwayne that her husband was eaten by wild animals and trying not to laugh about it is priceless. cfr is right. She was a fun bitter ex in season 8.

I guess in season 1, BLAIR was a little shy and was mostly hanging out with guys because she loved the attention: after all, she was only a TEASE then!!!!

Blair season 1 would never do the things she did in the later seasons. They made her more careless in the Jo seasons. Besides Steve in The Facts of Love, did Blair have any other guys in season 1 she was dating? I'm not a big season 1 buff like some of you guys so I don't remember. I just remember Blair being more about her looks than boys in season 1.

80s Dude

06-24-2020, 03:29 PM

Blair season 1 would never do the things she did in the later seasons. They made her more careless in the Jo seasons. Besides Steve in The Facts of Love, did Blair have any other guys in season 1 she was dating? I'm not a big season 1 buff like some of you guys so I don't remember. I just remember Blair being more about her looks than boys in season 1.

There was Steve, there was the guy she dated in "Emily Dickinson", there was a guy she dated in Dieting. This was Experimental Blair after all.,

valentina warner

06-24-2020, 07:11 PM

You didn't like it when Jason went to space? :lol: I think Freddy got better as it went on because it was more about the history of Freddy than the victims themselves. Freddy's Dead The Final Nightmare throws another angle in the Freddy story that was fun.

:eek: Valentina, you watched a season 8 episode?!?!?!?! I'm shocked :faint: :lol: I like the episode you mentioned, A Winter's Tale. Beverly Ann telling Dwayne that her husband was eaten by wild animals and trying not to laugh about it is priceless. cfr is right. She was a fun bitter ex in season 8.

Do you wanna have a shock Christopher: i actually bought season 8 in your honour!!!!! (you said it was the best from the later seasons because it shows the deep friendship between the 'Core of 4', and how much they've learned from MRS G). :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

I also wanna see BEVERLY ANN interact with the girls!!!!!:beeutiful:beeutiful:beeutiful

party:party:party:

Blair season 1 would never do the things she did in the later seasons. They made her more careless in the Jo seasons. Besides Steve in The Facts of Love, did Blair have any other guys in season 1 she was dating? I'm not a big season 1 buff like some of you guys so I don't remember. I just remember Blair being more about her looks than boys in season 1.

Christopher

06-25-2020, 11:34 AM

Do you wanna have a shock Christopher: i actually bought season 8 in your honour!!!!! (you said it was the best from the later seasons because it shows the deep friendship between the 'Core of 4', and how much they've learned from MRS G).

I also wanna see BEVERLY ANN interact with the girls!!!!!

Whoa! I hope you like it. I think it's the strongest of the later years. There's so many great episodes too. I know cfr didn't care for Write & Wrong, but I love the scene where Tootie is doing her explanation of how people snap and Jo tells her to shut up. Tootie responds, "like that" :lol: Plus Beverly Ann tells a story that actually makes sense to the issue Natalie is going through! :eek: :lol: I like it a lot. It's not a dramatic season at all. It's very fun and campy because that was the direction the later years went for. I think season 8 is the only season it actually worked and it's because they kept the core four together instead of separating them like in season 9. Please share your thoughts on season 8 as you watch the episodes. I would like to know what you think of it :)

valentina warner

06-25-2020, 04:12 PM

Whoa! I hope you like it. I think it's the strongest of the later years. There's so many great episodes too. I know cfr didn't care for Write & Wrong, but I love the scene where Tootie is doing her explanation of how people snap and Jo tells her to shut up. Tootie responds, "like that" :lol: Plus Beverly Ann tells a story that actually makes sense to the issue Natalie is going through! :eek: :lol: I like it a lot. It's not a dramatic season at all. It's very fun and campy because that was the direction the later years went for. I think season 8 is the only season it actually worked and it's because they kept the core four together instead of separating them like in season 9. Please share your thoughts on season 8 as you watch the episodes. I would like to know what you think of it :)

Hi Christopher!!!!

I will definitely let you know about season 8 once i get the DVDs and start watching them (though my reviews might not be as long as cfr1970 ones hee hee!!!!!)

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

Christopher

06-25-2020, 06:19 PM

Hi Christopher!!!!

I will definitely let you know about season 8 once i get the DVDs and start watching them (though my reviews might not be as long as cfr1970 ones hee hee!!!!!)

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

I will look forward to them just like I do with cfr's reviews.

Speaking of cfr, it's been days since he's posted here. I know he does this sometimes, but I think this is the longest he's been away. I hope everything is ok :wave:

valentina warner

06-25-2020, 07:17 PM

I will look forward to them just like I do with cfr's reviews.

Speaking of cfr, it's been days since he's posted here. I know he does this sometimes, but I think this is the longest he's been away. I hope everything is ok :wave:

You're right about cfr: i'v been wondering where he is too?????

HELLO CFR1970 ANYBODY HOME???? (We've been missing you here on board!!!!):welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome:

valentina warner

06-25-2020, 07:38 PM

Are you still on board cfr1970??? We miss you!!!!

Lorimar Television

06-25-2020, 08:16 PM

Enjoy season 8 Valentina! Hope you enjoy the lost girls appearance in TLC! Blair and Sue Ann interact a lot!

valentina warner

06-25-2020, 08:24 PM

Enjoy season 8 Valentina! Hope you enjoy the lost girls appearance in TLC! Blair and Sue Ann interact a lot!

Thanks Lorsie!!!!

The DVDs are due to arrive by next week yippee!!!!

:birthday::birthday::birthday::birthday::birthday::birthday::birthday::birthday:

cfr1970

06-26-2020, 11:09 AM

Speaking of cfr, it's been days since he's posted here. I know he does this sometimes, but I think this is the longest he's been away. I hope everything is ok :wave:

Everything is ok...it's been a busy week and I haven't had any time to pop in the FOL dvd. Also, since i've seen seasons 2-4 already it's not as important for me as seeing season 1 or the later seasons that I missed a lot of episodes of.

Now that i'm all caught up on the whole series, i'm also being lazy too. :lol:

BTW I saw the Movie board over in Chit Chat so I may head over there as I watch more of the Freddy films and then Final Destinations/Scream. :happyface:wave:

cfr1970

06-26-2020, 11:15 AM

Are you still on board cfr1970??? We miss you!!!!

Thanks valentina! I'm just taking a short break from FOL now that i've seen the whole series. And those long reviews were taking up so much time and making me fall behind on other stuff that I need to catch up on. :lol::wave:

valentina warner

06-26-2020, 07:03 PM

Thanks valentina! I'm just taking a short break from FOL now that i've seen the whole series. And those long reviews were taking up so much time and making me fall behind on other stuff that I need to catch up on. :lol::wave:

Welcome back on board cfr1970, and i'm glad to hear you're just busy, but okay!!!!!
Enjoy your SCREAM and FINAL DESTINATION: those two are also my favourites modern (relatively modern, cos they're from the 2000 s) horror flicks lol!!!!

PS: don't worry about writing reviews (i may be the next one to join u soon, since i promised [B]Christopher to start on them once i get my season 8 DVDs)!!!!

popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:

valentina warner

06-26-2020, 07:07 PM

Oops! SCREAM 1 is actually from 1996 and SCREAM 2 from 1998 (not 2000 s yet)

Christopher

06-26-2020, 08:36 PM

Everything is ok...it's been a busy week and I haven't had any time to pop in the FOL dvd. Also, since i've seen seasons 2-4 already it's not as important for me as seeing season 1 or the later seasons that I missed a lot of episodes of.

Now that i'm all caught up on the whole series, i'm also being lazy too. :lol:

BTW I saw the Movie board over in Chit Chat so I may head over there as I watch more of the Freddy films and then Final Destinations/Scream. :happyface:wave:

I didn't know you were caught up with the whole series. How would you rank the seasons from favorite to least? Mine is 2, 8, 3, 4, 6, 7, 5, 9, and 1.

I'll keep a lookout for a thread by you over there. I love talking about horror movies. I have a feeling I may not like Scream 5 when it comes out next year. As of right now, only David is confirmed to come back. It's likely Neve will return but if Courteney doesn't return, it's not a valid Scream movie IMO. We can't have a Scream movie without all of the core 3.

valentina warner

06-26-2020, 09:51 PM

Lorimar Television

06-26-2020, 09:59 PM

Thanks valentina! I'm just taking a short break from FOL now that i've seen the whole series. And those long reviews were taking up so much time and making me fall behind on other stuff that I need to catch up on. :lol::wave:

We wanna hear your reviews of lost girl eps like Gossip and Sex Symbol know that you know who the lost girls are more.

valentina warner

06-26-2020, 10:36 PM

We wanna hear your reviews of lost girl eps like Gossip and Sex Symbol know that you know who the lost girls are more.

He needs to review in order: 'Cousin Geri' is next lol!:wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave:

cfr1970

06-26-2020, 11:01 PM

I didn't know you were caught up with the whole series. How would you rank the seasons from favorite to least? Mine is 2, 8, 3, 4, 6, 7, 5, 9, and 1.

I'll keep a lookout for a thread by you over there. I love talking about horror movies. I have a feeling I may not like Scream 5 when it comes out next year. As of right now, only David is confirmed to come back. It's likely Neve will return but if Courteney doesn't return, it's not a valid Scream movie IMO. We can't have a Scream movie without all of the core 3.

I've seen all the seasons now, but the only season that I need to see again is season 4. I know most of them, but some of those season 4 episodes I read the synopsis, but drawing a blank on. So I want to give that a rewatch, but I love the episodes I remember from it. . And seasons 2 & 3 I know all of and love both. So i'd rank then as 5, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 1, 9.

And I think even after rewatching the 4th season the rank would stay the same as I really love the cafeteria years. To all the Lost Girl fans, I like season 1, but had to place it behind the Cafeteria & Edna Edibles years. At least I find it better than season 9 which I call "The Twilight Zone Season." :lol:

I'll probably start a Freddy thread over on the movie board this weekend after I see part 3 on Saturday. Or better yet a general horror thread so it can have Scream and Final Destination too. :wave:

cfr1970

06-26-2020, 11:06 PM

He needs to review in order: 'Cousin Geri' is next lol!:wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave:

Yes Cousin Geri is the next one. I'm being lazy because i've seen that one a few times. I'll try and make time for it next week with shorter reviews because unlike seasons 1 and 6-9, the rest aren't new to me and will feel like reviewing repeats lol. I kinda miss not having anymore "new" FOL episodes to see. :lol:

Christopher

06-27-2020, 07:32 AM

Same here: SCREAM without Courteney, David and Neve wouldn't be the same!!!!

PS: i cannot believe you prefer season 7 over season 5??? (to me season 7 is the worst of them all!!!)
Season 7 was the experimental one, with bizarre and boring stories, and very bad acting......

:meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya:

I haven't seen anything regarding Courteney being associated with it. Right now David is the only one signed on. I saw a blurb that said Neve feels it's the perfect time to do a Scream sequel since enough time has passed since Wes's death. They need to make it right by having all three there though.

Season 5 is too dark and depressing for me. We also had to endure Kelly ohno: One aspect I really enjoyed on season 7 was the core four doing things together. They started that aspect in the second half of season 6 and brought it back in season 7. I like seeing the friendship of the core four because it reminds fans why they still live together and have each other in their lives.

I've seen all the seasons now, but the only season that I need to see again is season 4. I know most of them, but some of those season 4 episodes I read the synopsis, but drawing a blank on. So I want to give that a rewatch, but I love the episodes I remember from it. . And seasons 2 & 3 I know all of and love both. So i'd rank then as 5, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 1, 9.

And I think even after rewatching the 4th season the rank would stay the same as I really love the cafeteria years. To all the Lost Girl fans, I like season 1, but had to place it behind the Cafeteria & Edna Edibles years. At least I find it better than season 9 which I call "The Twilight Zone Season." :lol:

I'll probably start a Freddy thread over on the movie board this weekend after I see part 3 on Saturday. Or better yet a general horror thread so it can have Scream and Final Destination too. :wave:

I knew season 5 would be at the top of your list. Did you always like depressing stories from shows? I'm rewatching Buffy right now. I used to love season 6 of that show in my teen years and early adult years because it was incredibly dark and realistic with everyday problems people go through. The creator and writer for Buffy wanted the big bad that year to be something everyone deals with, life. I'm wondering after how much I've been enjoying seasons 2 and 3 in my rewatch if I'll feel the same about season 6 when I get to it or hurry my way through it for something lighter.

I agree season 9 is a bizarre twilight zone season because the core four don't act like themselves. There's some episodes that are ok to watch. The only real good one is Rumor Has It IMO. I always found The First Time overrated because sex isn't a big deal between two consenting adults. I view it like Ellen's coming out episode. It's a big deal for some but to me as long as the show is still producing quality writing, I could care less.

I'm going to watch part 1 and 3 of Freddy today so when you do your review over on the movie board, it'll be fresh in my head to discuss about. Part 3 is in relation to part 1 btw. Part 2 was like a standalone dud that it doesn't have any relevance on the following films.

RetroGuy2000

06-27-2020, 08:27 AM

I'm rewatching Buffy right now. I used to love season 6 of that show in my teen years and early adult years because it was incredibly dark and realistic with everyday problems people go through. The creator and writer for Buffy wanted the big bad that year to be something everyone deals with, life. I'm wondering after how much I've been enjoying seasons 2 and 3 in my rewatch if I'll feel the same about season 6 when I get to it or hurry my way through it for something lighter.

This is the second time in the last week you've mentioned Buffy. I had no idea you were a huge fan, but I am one, too. I have all seasons on DVD, and it was the first show where I had the complete series on DVD. I started watching when Season 2 was new. It was awesome from beginning to end; there were very few episodes I never cared for, and the writing was consistently good. The first three seasons are my favorites, with Season 6 being my least favorite, but even the last years were still really, really good. In your last post about Buffy, you quoted Drusilla; she was such a fun character! My favorite Drusilla line is this exchange between her and Darla:

[Yorkshire, 1880. Angelus and Spike are about to trade blows]

Darla : I think our boys are going to fight.

Drusilla : The King of Cups expects a picnic... but this is not his birthday.

Darla : ...Good point.

:lol:

cfr1970

06-27-2020, 11:34 AM

I knew season 5 would be at the top of your list. Did you always like depressing stories from shows? I'm rewatching Buffy right now. I used to love season 6 of that show in my teen years and early adult years because it was incredibly dark and realistic with everyday problems people go through. The creator and writer for Buffy wanted the big bad that year to be something everyone deals with, life. I'm wondering after how much I've been enjoying seasons 2 and 3 in my rewatch if I'll feel the same about season 6 when I get to it or hurry my way through it for something lighter.

The main reason I love season 5 is because of the beginning of Edna's Edibles. I love the whole story of how Edna left Eastland to start her own business and it realistically showed how the girls followed her there without seeming convoluted. And I love the store set so much.

I do prefer realism in my sitcoms and that means not everything can be light and happy. So when Natalie's dad dies, Jo gets her heart ripped out and squashed by Eddie, and Tootie deals with race issues with her best friend, it's things we all can relate to and true to life.

There are bright spots in that season though...A standout and favorite is Blair's 2000 Dream, also "The Chain Letter" when Mrs. G fires all the girls and they apply to get their jobs back, "Store Games", "Gamma Gamma or Bust" (I think this was when Blair ordered Mrs. G around to cater her sorority and fired her--and the first of Bootsie's appearances!)...and even the episode where they take Mrs. G to the strip club is fun. So it's not all dark and depressing.

Even the appearance of that hateful Kelly doesn't bring the season down for me. :lol:

I've never seen that Buffy show but I may check it out at some point if it's that good. I have so many dvds on my plate to watch that there's no way at this point that I can start something new. I've been buying more than I can watch lately. :lol:

I agree season 9 is a bizarre twilight zone season because the core four don't act like themselves. There's some episodes that are ok to watch. The only real good one is Rumor Has It IMO. I always found The First Time overrated because sex isn't a big deal between two consenting adults. I view it like Ellen's coming out episode. It's a big deal for some but to me as long as the show is still producing quality writing, I could care less.

I despise season 9 because the whole feel of the show is gone. I liked the sex episode because Mindy acted great in it. The focus wasn't really about Natalie doing it, but the aftermath and her thinking that's all he wanted from her. The scene with Jo being all sanctimonious could've been left out because it didn't fit with the story. Like you said, they're consenting adults at this point, and Jo was talking down to her like she was still 16 and should've waited. It was absurd. :rolleyes:
I like Rumor Has It too---but the rest of them I could get by without ever seeing again. :lol:

I'm going to watch part 1 and 3 of Freddy today so when you do your review over on the movie board, it'll be fresh in my head to discuss about. Part 3 is in relation to part 1 btw. Part 2 was like a standalone dud that it doesn't have any relevance on the following films.[/QUOTE]

I'm watching part 3 of Freddy tonight and I think this is the point where the series picks up so I think i'm going to enjoy it!

Christopher

06-27-2020, 12:10 PM

This is the second time in the last week you've mentioned Buffy. I had no idea you were a huge fan, but I am one, too. I have all seasons on DVD, and it was the first show where I had the complete series on DVD. I started watching when Season 2 was new. It was awesome from beginning to end; there were very few episodes I never cared for, and the writing was consistently good. The first three seasons are my favorites, with Season 6 being my least favorite, but even the last years were still really, really good. In your last post about Buffy, you quoted Drusilla; she was such a fun character! My favorite Drusilla line is this exchange between her and Darla:

[Yorkshire, 1880. Angelus and Spike are about to trade blows]

Darla : I think our boys are going to fight.

Drusilla : The King of Cups expects a picnic... but this is not his birthday.

Darla : ...Good point.

:lol:

I've been a fan of Buffy since it began back in March of 1997. I recorded all the episodes from The WB on VHS tapes and even cut out the TV Guide ads to paste on my tape cases. Just like The Facts of Life, it's been part of my upbringing :lol: I'll never forget how big it was in my high school during the second season. Almost every student was talking about Buffy killing Angel and running away. Good times. After rewatching season 2 recently, I see why it's a top favorite for fans. I think one of the main reasons I always considered the later seasons of Buffy better is because of Anya and Tara. I consider Anya funnier than Cordy, and Willow and Tara are my favorite TV couple. That's not changing but I do have more appreciation for season 2 now. I've always love season 3. Having an evil slayer was fun. Season 4 is probably my least favorite. I didn't care for the initiative story and the character of Riley. He was a crybaby. Although I do like the big fight the scooby gang have with each other in The Yoko Factor. Willow finally announcing Tara is her girlfriend was so sweet and drunk Giles saying, "Bloody hell" was hilarious :lol:

Season 6 is a season that is hard to take. I see why it's a least favorite for fans. There's no happiness for any of the characters that year. I get what Joss was doing having Buffy be depressed and the rest of the characters go through their trauma. It was so heavy looking back on it now. No one really caught a break that year. You had addiction, depression, rape, murder, fear of spouse abuse, financial problems, and other real life issues. It was worst than season 5 of The Facts of Life ohno: cfr, if you ever watch Buffy, this is a season made for you.

Drusilla is a fun character. I love her craziness in Surprise and Innocence. Her acting when she says "do it again, do it again" when the demon burns a vampire was funny. I like crazy Drusilla than sick Drusilla at the beginning of season 2. When I start season 4 of Buffy, I'm going to watch Angel with it. I know Darla and Drusilla appear in season 2 of Angel and that's what I always try to get to but I tune out by the 5th or 6th episode of Angel in season 1. I'm surprise Angel lasted 5 years. It did not start out very well.

Christopher

06-27-2020, 12:30 PM

The main reason I love season 5 is because of the beginning of Edna's Edibles. I love the whole story of how Edna left Eastland to start her own business and it realistically showed how the girls followed her there without seeming convoluted. And I love the store set so much.

I do prefer realism in my sitcoms and that means not everything can be light and happy. So when Natalie's dad dies, Jo gets her heart ripped out and squashed by Eddie, and Tootie deals with race issues with her best friend, it's things we all can relate to and true to life.

There are bright spots in that season though...A standout and favorite is Blair's 2000 Dream, also "The Chain Letter" when Mrs. G fires all the girls and they apply to get their jobs back, "Store Games", "Gamma Gamma or Bust" (I think this was when Blair ordered Mrs. G around to cater her sorority and fired her--and the first of Bootsie's appearances!)...and even the episode where they take Mrs. G to the strip club is fun. So it's not all dark and depressing.

Even the appearance of that hateful Kelly doesn't bring the season down for me. :lol:

I've never seen that Buffy show but I may check it out at some point if it's that good. I have so many dvds on my plate to watch that there's no way at this point that I can start something new. I've been buying more than I can watch lately. :lol:

Gamma Gamma or Bust and Store Games are two of my favorites in season 5. I like Mrs. Garrett standing up for herself with the girls. There are times when they refuse to listen to her or are rude. It's justifiable Mrs. Garrett yelling at the girls at times.

You might like Buffy. The creator had everything planned out before the show even started so he could drop easter eggs in episodes of what's to come in the later seasons.

I despise season 9 because the whole feel of the show is gone. I liked the sex episode because Mindy acted great in it. The focus wasn't really about Natalie doing it, but the aftermath and her thinking that's all he wanted from her. The scene with Jo being all sanctimonious could've been left out because it didn't fit with the story. Like you said, they're consenting adults at this point, and Jo was talking down to her like she was still 16 and should've waited. It was absurd. :rolleyes:
I like Rumor Has It too---but the rest of them I could get by without ever seeing again. :lol:

I didn't care for Jo's behavior towards Natalie in that episode. The whole, "it doesn't matter what I think, it's up to you" was ignoring what Natalie was really needing. She needed friends to help her. Jo by that point knew how to be there for her friends.

I'm watching part 3 of Freddy tonight and I think this is the point where the series picks up so I think i'm going to enjoy it!

I hope you enjoy it. The kills get creative with this part.

valentina warner

06-27-2020, 02:45 PM

I've seen all the seasons now, but the only season that I need to see again is season 4. I know most of them, but some of those season 4 episodes I read the synopsis, but drawing a blank on. So I want to give that a rewatch, but I love the episodes I remember from it. . And seasons 2 & 3 I know all of and love both. So i'd rank then as 5, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 1, 9.

And I think even after rewatching the 4th season the rank would stay the same as I really love the cafeteria years. To all the Lost Girl fans, I like season 1, but had to place it behind the Cafeteria & Edna Edibles years. At least I find it better than season 9 which I call "The Twilight Zone Season." :lol:

I'll probably start a Freddy thread over on the movie board this weekend after I see part 3 on Saturday. Or better yet a general horror thread so it can have Scream and Final Destination too. :wave:

I cannot believe you ranked season 1 right at the end, and choose season 7 over it????? :faint::faint::faint:

I can understand Christopher cos he never cared much for the 'Lost girls' though.....

To me season 7 is by far, the worst of them all (i even prefer season 9 over it): URCHIN keeps annoying everyone and is in almost on every episode, the story lines around 'Edna's Edibles' are completely absurd and MRS G is a real POD all along!!!!! :ufo::ufo::ufo:

PS: the only good episodes on season 7 are the last ones 'The graduate' and 'The apartment' because it's a big change for the 'Core of 4' and a temporarily split up between them when the 2 younger ones move out, and i love how in the end TOOTIE and NAT decide to move back again at 'Over our heads'. (i especially love the 'heart to heart' talk between BLAIR/TOOTIE and JO/NAT):grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

I am even considering buying season 9 DVDs once i watch season 8 (which by the way hasn't arrived yet) but season 7 will definitely be the ONLY DVDs i won't own.....

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

valentina warner

06-27-2020, 02:47 PM

PS: i meant 'Over our heads' cfr1970 (not 'Edna's Edibles') OOPS!!!!!!

Christopher

06-27-2020, 03:15 PM

I cannot believe you ranked season 1 right at the end, and choose season 7 over it????? :faint::faint::faint:

I can understand Christopher cos he never cared much for the 'Lost girls' though.....

To me season 7 is by far, the worst of them all (i even prefer season 9 over it): URCHIN keeps annoying everyone and is in almost on every episode, the story lines around 'Edna's Edibles' are completely absurd and MRS G is a real POD all along!!!!! :ufo::ufo::ufo:

PS: the only good episodes on season 7 are the last ones 'The graduate' and 'The apartment' because it's a big change for the 'Core of 4' and a temporarily split up between them when the 2 younger ones move out, and i love how in the end TOOTIE and NAT decide to move back again at 'Over our heads'. (i especially love the 'heart to heart' talk between BLAIR/TOOTIE and JO/NAT):grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

I am even considering buying season 9 DVDs once i watch season 8 (which by the way hasn't arrived yet) but season 7 will definitely be the ONLY DVDs i won't own.....

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

It's not that I didn't care for the lost girls, it was just the writing. Although my tastes in shows are changing. I think it's because I've become such a hard core 3rd Rock From The Sun fan recently. I now have this playing in the background instead of The Facts of Life. It's fluffy entertainment but John's facial reactions are funny. I might redo my FOL list and have season 1 before season 5. Season 1 may not seem like the real FOL show but it's not dark and depressing like season 5. Another reason I don't care for season 5 like the others is because of what they did with Jo and Eddie. She really loved him and they turned him into a cheating *******. He made Jo the other woman and that was cruel and demeaning to her. Even though Nancy did some of her best raw acting in that scene at the end, it was still painful to watch. You could feel her pain from what Eddie did to her. Before that episode, I wanted them to end up together. After seeing that, it killed all likeness I had for Eddie. Jo should have used that wrench he gave her to tighten some nuts on him in payback :schmack:

valentina warner

06-27-2020, 03:22 PM

It's not that I didn't care for the lost girls, it was just the writing. Although my tastes in shows are changing. I think it's because I've become such a hard core 3rd Rock From The Sun fan recently. I now have this playing in the background instead of The Facts of Life. It's fluffy entertainment but John's facial reactions are funny. I might redo my FOL list and have season 1 before season 5. Season 1 may not seem like the real FOL show but it's not dark and depressing like season 5. Another reason I don't care for season 5 like the others is because of what they did with Jo and Eddie. She really loved him and they turned him into a cheating *******. He made Jo the other woman and that was cruel and demeaning to her. Even though Nancy did some of her best raw acting in that scene at the end, it was still painful to watch. You could feel her pain from what Eddie did to her. Before that episode, I wanted them to end up together. After seeing that, it killed all likeness I had for Eddie. Jo should have used that wrench he gave her to tighten some nuts on him in payback :schmack:

I am not a big EDDIE fan but i'd choose him 100 % over RICK (that guy was such a wacko and totally NOT right for JO!!!!!):horse::horse::horse::horse::horse::horse::horse::horse::horse:

valentina warner

06-27-2020, 03:24 PM

P.S: and yes you're right Christopher, what EDDIE did to JO in the end was unbelievable and very hurtful!!!! (no wonder her tastes changed so drastically after that)

RetroGuy2000

06-27-2020, 04:03 PM

I've never seen that Buffy show but I may check it out at some point if it's that good. I have so many dvds on my plate to watch that there's no way at this point that I can start something new. I've been buying more than I can watch lately. :lol:

The writing on Buffy was a cut above network television in the 1990s. I can highly recommend it to people who like television. It inspired shows like Supernatural and is still used in film classes and literary criticism to teach students about good writing in film and television. They were doing things on that show that were thought impossible on network TV: "Hush", with 27 minutes of no dialogue, is one example of many. It has mostly held up well, even 24 years later.

RetroGuy2000

06-27-2020, 04:32 PM

I've been a fan of Buffy since it began back in March of 1997. I recorded all the episodes from The WB on VHS tapes and even cut out the TV Guide ads to paste on my tape cases.

You are a true fan, then, obviously! I also recorded Buffy religiously, until I got my DVDs.

Just like The Facts of Life, it's been part of my upbringing :lol: I'll never forget how big it was in my high school during the second season. Almost every student was talking about Buffy killing Angel and running away. Good times.

I was out of high school by then, but I remember that time, and everyone I spoke to was, likek, "OMG, did you just see the last episode [of Season Two]? It was heartbreaking. People couldn't stop talking about it. I also remember many of the people I knew, who were still in high school, were banned from watching the show after the LGTB elements were added in Season 4. It was a very different time.

After rewatching season 2 recently, I see why it's a top favorite for fans. I think one of the main reasons I always considered the later seasons of Buffy better is because of Anya and Tara. I consider Anya funnier than Cordy, and Willow and Tara are my favorite TV couple.

I adored Willow and Tara, but Cordy was always better than Anya. Not that Anya was bad -- in fact, the "shrimp" and "rabbit" and "game of Life" tangents are some of my favorite moments -- but Cordy was the original Queen C.

That's not changing but I do have more appreciation for season 2 now. I've always love season 3. Having an evil slayer was fun.

Faith brought a very cool dimension to the show. It is my absolute favorite, although Season 2 is also awesome. I have a sweet spot for Season 5, because of everything that happens, and it's devastating, and I also adore Season 7.

Season 4 is probably my least favorite. I didn't care for the initiative story and the character of Riley. He was a crybaby. Although I do like the big fight the scooby gang have with each other in The Yoko Factor. Willow finally announcing Tara is her girlfriend was so sweet and drunk Giles saying, "Bloody hell" was hilarious :lol:

Riley was too whitebread to ever really work, and the Initiative storyline got botched, but I enjoy the individual episodes of Season 4. It's just, as a whole, it feels... too campy, especially with Adam being the Big Bad. JMHO.

Season 6 is a season that is hard to take. I see why it's a least favorite for fans. There's no happiness for any of the characters that year. I get what Joss was doing having Buffy be depressed and the rest of the characters go through their trauma. It was so heavy looking back on it now. No one really caught a break that year. You had addiction, depression, rape, murder, fear of spouse abuse, financial problems, and other real life issues.

I wouldn't have minded Season 6 being dark, but the villains that years were one-dimensional twerps who didn't feel realistic to me. They needed depth, and wouldn't get that until Season 7.

Drusilla is a fun character. I love her craziness in Surprise and Innocence. Her acting when she says "do it again, do it again" when the demon burns a vampire was funny. I like crazy Drusilla than sick Drusilla at the beginning of season 2. When I start season 4 of Buffy, I'm going to watch Angel with it. I know Darla and Drusilla appear in season 2 of Angel and that's what I always try to get to but I tune out by the 5th or 6th episode of Angel in season 1. I'm surprise Angel lasted 5 years. It did not start out very well.

It started off very badly, but I feel it picks up once Wesley goes to LA. My understanding is that the actor who played Doyle, Glenn Quinn, had a big drug problem, and this resulted in some chaos on the set, although it still doesn't explain the weak scripts. But whether or not you enjoy Angel, the crossover episodes, nearly all of them, are brilliant. I especially adore the flashbacks with Darla/Drusilla/Spike/Angelus.

The ratings for Angel started off very strong, due to the show originally airing right after Buffy (this is where spin-offs belong, their first year); the strong back-to-back performance meant that The WB was actually profitable for a couple of years. Sadly, that did not last.

cfr1970

06-27-2020, 04:43 PM

I cannot believe you ranked season 1 right at the end, and choose season 7 over it????? :faint::faint::faint:

I can understand Christopher cos he never cared much for the 'Lost girls' though.....

To me season 7 is by far, the worst of them all (i even prefer season 9 over it): URCHIN keeps annoying everyone and is in almost on every episode, the story lines around 'Edna's Edibles' are completely absurd and MRS G is a real POD all along!!!!! :ufo::ufo::ufo:

PS: the only good episodes on season 7 are the last ones 'The graduate' and 'The apartment' because it's a big change for the 'Core of 4' and a temporarily split up between them when the 2 younger ones move out, and i love how in the end TOOTIE and NAT decide to move back again at 'Over our heads'. (i especially love the 'heart to heart' talk between BLAIR/TOOTIE and JO/NAT):grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

I am even considering buying season 9 DVDs once i watch season 8 (which by the way hasn't arrived yet) but season 7 will definitely be the ONLY DVDs i won't own.....

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

Season 7 has favorites like "Out of the Fire", "Teacher Teacher", "A New Life", "Come Back to the Truck Stop", "We Get Letters", "Christmas Baby", "Tootie Drives", and "Concentration".
All those episodes I like more than Season 1. Granted, there are some stinkers in season 7 also, like "Stake Out Blues", "The Candidate", "Men For All Seasons", "3,2,1" and "Doo Wah"...but for me, the good episodes of that season outweigh the bad so it goes before Season 1.

I know people will disagree with me, but I feel season 1 has the tone of a whole different show. Yes, it's fun and light, but i'd watch all the other seasons (besides season 9), before watching season 1 again. To me, it's a prequel and separate from the rest of the series.
Again, I do like it, but just now a hardcore fan of it. :crazy:

cfr1970

06-27-2020, 04:53 PM

Even though Nancy did some of her best raw acting in that scene at the end, it was still painful to watch. You could feel her pain from what Eddie did to her.

This is exactly why I love the episode so much. It really was painful to watch and I too despised Eddie after that. But how Nancy M did that whole scene was wonderful because it pulled the viewer in and made you really care about the hurt she was feeling. These are the kinds of dramatic scenes I love.

cfr1970

06-27-2020, 05:01 PM

The writing on Buffy was a cut above network television in the 1990s. I can highly recommend it to people who like television. It inspired shows like Supernatural and is still used in film classes and literary criticism to teach students about good writing in film and television. They were doing things on that show that were thought impossible on network TV: "Hush", with 27 minutes of no dialogue, is one example of many. It has mostly held up well, even 24 years later.

I'll have to give it a try. I've never been into vampire stories and always saw the show as banal teen vampire silliness. In fact, i've never even tuned into one episode during it's entire run because of my preconceived notion of it (I never saw the movie either that came before it).

But if the writing is that good, then i'll put it on my list and give it a look. I like intelligent writing but here's my preconceived notion rearing it's head again....just how intelligent can a show be written about vampires?! Is it realistically written or will a large amount of suspension of disbelief be needed in order to watch it? :lol:

RetroGuy2000

06-27-2020, 05:26 PM

I'll have to give it a try. I've never been into vampire stories and always saw the show as banal teen vampire silliness. In fact, i've never even tuned into one episode during it's entire run because of my preconceived notion of it (I never saw the movie either that came before it).

But if the writing is that good, then i'll put it on my list and give it a look. I like intelligent writing but here's my preconceived notion rearing it's head again....just how intelligent can a show be written about vampires?! Is it realistically written or will a large amount of suspension of disbelief be needed in order to watch it? :lol:

Don't worry: I didn't watch it during the first year because of the exact same reason: I thought: it's going to be this banal teen vampire series, maybe like a soap opera. And maybe it started out that way.* However, it somehow grew into this very sophisticated series that sort of subverted the genre with clever writing and very good acting. I started watching, and by mid-season 2, I was hooked. I thought, "This is way better than I expected."

It was a show that pushed the limits of television of that era: they did technical things and wrote episodes in ways that weren't thought possible at that time. And the writers were smart enough to see how our world was changing, and wrote that into scripts. They filmed an episode with a school shooting before the Columbine tragedy happened, predicting the current era of school violence. While there are a few episodes I don't care for, there's a good reason the series ended up winning several Emmys and Hugo Awards (16 industry award wins, 47 nominations), despite being on the lowly-rated WB network.

I know you have many shows you want to watch, but since it's been brought up here, I would be remiss to not recommend it. Also, IMO, the original feature film was horrible, and can be skipped entirely.

*There is some silliness in the first season; despite this, I love that year anyway.

valentina warner

06-27-2020, 06:46 PM

This is exactly why I love the episode so much. It really was painful to watch and I too despised Eddie after that. But how Nancy M did that whole scene was wonderful because it pulled the viewer in and made you really care about the hurt she was feeling. These are the kinds of dramatic scenes I love.

I have to say that i'm not a big fan of JO, so the episodes focused on her are DEFINITELY my least favourites!!!!! (sorry JO fans come and get me now!!!!)

The reason i love season 5 as well, is because MRS G finally opens her own gourmet shop 'Edna's Edibles' (not because of JO) and if i'm brutally honest, i didn't care for the episode 'Seems like old time': sorry but JO tears don't convince me and neither does BORING EDDIE!!!!:sleep2::sleep2::sleep2:

On the other hand, i have always liked the episodes focused on JO with her parents (especially her father) which is why i really love the episode 'The second time around': ALEX ROCCO and NANCY MCKEON had such great chemistry on set!!!!!:bighug::bighug::bighug:

I also liked the episode 'A death in the family' (i know it's a favourite of yours too): it's heartbreaking to see NAT lose her dad, and i was also in grief to see TOOTIE's suffering for her best friend......

But, my favourite episode of all from season 5 is the one focused on BLAIR and MRS G of course: 'Gamma gamma' lol!!!!

:typing::typing::typing:

valentina warner

06-27-2020, 07:02 PM

Season 7 has favorites like "Out of the Fire", "Teacher Teacher", "A New Life", "Come Back to the Truck Stop", "We Get Letters", "Christmas Baby", "Tootie Drives", and "Concentration".
All those episodes I like more than Season 1. Granted, there are some stinkers in season 7 also, like "Stake Out Blues", "The Candidate", "Men For All Seasons", "3,2,1" and "Doo Wah"...but for me, the good episodes of that season outweigh the bad so it goes before Season 1.

I know people will disagree with me, but I feel season 1 has the tone of a whole different show. Yes, it's fun and light, but i'd watch all the other seasons (besides season 9), before watching season 1 again. To me, it's a prequel and separate from the rest of the series.
Again, I do like it, but just now a hardcore fan of it. :crazy:

Sorry to disagree with you, cfr1970, but ESPECIALLY the episodes focused on JO in season 7 were the most boring ones for me, which is why i didn't care at all for 'Ballroom dancing' and 'Teacher teacher'!!!!!!:yousuck::yousuck::yousuck:

As for season 1: for me (as you know) it will always be the REAL BEGINNING OF FOL, along with the Pilot 'The girls school'.....:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

phone2:phone2:phone2: (That's NANCY on the phone lol!);)

valentina warner

06-27-2020, 07:08 PM

PS: it's funny how some people find season 1 light cos i don't find that at all!!! (in fact, season 7 was a lot lighter and experimental lol!)

cfr1970

06-27-2020, 08:38 PM

I'm going to watch part 1 and 3 of Freddy today so when you do your review over on the movie board, it'll be fresh in my head to discuss about. Part 3 is in relation to part 1 btw. Part 2 was like a standalone dud that it doesn't have any relevance on the following films.

I just started Part 3 and want to know how the hell is Nancy from Part 1 in this when Freddy locked her and her friends in the car at the end of that film and took them all away?! So that was a dream she had and audiences were fooled?!

Otherwise it seems like a big fat plothole to me! :lol:

valentina warner

06-27-2020, 09:04 PM

I just started Part 3 and want to know how the hell is Nancy from Part 1 in this when Freddy locked her and her friends in the car at the end of that film and took them all away?! So that was a dream she had and audiences were fooled?!

Otherwise it seems like a big fat plothole to me! :lol:

Yes, NANCY was definitely having nightmares after FREDDY KRUEGER killed her friends, boyfriend and her mother in the NIGHTMARE ON ELM ST part 1: that part in the car when she sees all her friends, boyfriend alive and her mother smiling from the main entrance was only a dream (she probably ended up in rehab at the hospital after witnessing their death).

On part 3 THE DREAM WARRIORS: a few years had passed and NANCY was already a young adult (probably 21 years old) a student trying to help the last remaining Elm st kids.....

pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:

cfr1970

06-28-2020, 12:54 AM

Yes, NANCY was definitely having nightmares after FREDDY KRUEGER killed her friends, boyfriend and her mother in the NIGHTMARE ON ELM ST part 1: that part in the car when she sees all her friends, boyfriend alive and her mother smiling from the main entrance was only a dream (she probably ended up in rehab at the hospital after witnessing their death).

On part 3 THE DREAM WARRIORS: a few years had passed and NANCY was already a young adult (probably 21 years old) a student trying to help the last remaining Elm st kids.....

pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:

She had a big patch of gray hair which confused me because she'd only be 21 like you said, but they were trying to make her look 40?! :confused::confused:

BTW I started a Freddy thread over at the Movie board!! Hop on over!! :crazy::wave:

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=366

Lorimar Television

06-28-2020, 03:44 AM

I know people will disagree with me, but I feel season 1 has the tone of a whole different show. Yes, it's fun and light, but i'd watch all the other seasons (besides season 9), before watching season 1 again. To me, it's a prequel and separate from the rest of the series.
Again, I do like it, but just now a hardcore fan of it. :crazy:

I think most will agree with you actually! :lol: We are just season 1 heavy around here. Its def very different from the rest of the series though so its understandable.

FOL-FAN-ITA

06-28-2020, 06:01 AM

Christopher

06-28-2020, 07:41 AM

P.S: and yes you're right Christopher, what EDDIE did to JO in the end was unbelievable and very hurtful!!!! (no wonder her tastes changed so drastically after that)

Oh good point! I never thought of it but Jo did seem to pick safe guys to be with after Eddie. Maybe her breakup with Eddie damaged her more than we thought. Her next guy was Sam, the 30 year old teacher with a kid. She couldn't get more safe than that because he was mature with a steady job.

The writing on Buffy was a cut above network television in the 1990s. I can highly recommend it to people who like television. It inspired shows like Supernatural and is still used in film classes and literary criticism to teach students about good writing in film and television. They were doing things on that show that were thought impossible on network TV: "Hush", with 27 minutes of no dialogue, is one example of many. It has mostly held up well, even 24 years later.

One thing Buffy did start was the snarky comedy dialogue in supernatural TV shows. Buffy also started a trend of girl power TV shows at that time. We had Charmed, Alias, Snoops, Birds of Prey, and other female hero shows. Supernatural definitely takes after Buffy with its story telling. Each season does their own version of big bad with the clever funny dialogue. I recommend Supernatural to anyone who hasn't seen it. Jensen Ackles is the best actor on that show. He plays Dean perfectly.

You are a true fan, then, obviously! I also recorded Buffy religiously, until I got my DVDs.

I started watching for Sarah Michelle Gellar. I was a fan of hers on All My Children. Season 1 I definitely kept watching for her. There were some good episodes, but it was nothing compared to what season 2 and onward brought on. The stories really picked up in season 2 and I was hooked. I also bought the DVDs. Each time a season came out, I bought it. God remember how expensive they were back then? SunCoast really charged an arm and a leg for them.

I was out of high school by then, but I remember that time, and everyone I spoke to was, likek, "OMG, did you just see the last episode [of Season Two]? It was heartbreaking. People couldn't stop talking about it. I also remember many of the people I knew, who were still in high school, were banned from watching the show after the LGTB elements were added in Season 4. It was a very different time.

I'm surprise people were banned from watching it due to the gay relationship. It wasn't like it took over the whole show. Plus they were so sweet together. I think they were the best couple on that show. They really loved each other.

I adored Willow and Tara, but Cordy was always better than Anya. Not that Anya was bad -- in fact, the "shrimp" and "rabbit" and "game of Life" tangents are some of my favorite moments -- but Cordy was the original Queen C.

OOOOO the game of life scene. I laughed so hard when Anya seriously asked Xander, "can I trade the kids in for more money?" :rotflmao::rotflmao::lol: Her "dumb" moments were perfect because she didn't know she was being dumb with what she was asking or talking about at times. Plus Anya's scene in that season 5 episode was so spot on with how people respond to death. I don't think anyone could have done that scene as perfect as Emma.

Faith brought a very cool dimension to the show. It is my absolute favorite, although Season 2 is also awesome. I have a sweet spot for Season 5, because of everything that happens, and it's devastating, and I also adore Season 7.

Season 7 has a few good episodes. 'Him' is probably my favorite. I love Willow's dialogue in response to Anya saying "he has a penis" :lol:

Riley was too whitebread to ever really work, and the Initiative storyline got botched, but I enjoy the individual episodes of Season 4. It's just, as a whole, it feels... too campy, especially with Adam being the Big Bad. JMHO.

I agree so much with this. Adam was not a good big bad.

I wouldn't have minded Season 6 being dark, but the villains that years were one-dimensional twerps who didn't feel realistic to me. They needed depth, and wouldn't get that until Season 7.

They were desperate to be something. I think that's what made them somewhat dangerous. What they did in Dead Things showed how seriously messed up they were to be bad guys. But they weren't meant to be the big bad of season 6. Overall the big bad was growing up and experiencing life issues. The fact that when someone says to a mystical God to please bring someone back and the response is, "this is a human death by human means" it's like what the hell are you doing Joss calling this a supernatural show if they can't use magic to bring someone back to life? :mumble: I hate the ending to Seeing Red and the beginning of Villains. Thankfully Joss made up for it with the ending of Villains. As Drusilla says, "do it again, do it again!" only, I would add "slower" when that scene happens :D

It started off very badly, but I feel it picks up once Wesley goes to LA. My understanding is that the actor who played Doyle, Glenn Quinn, had a big drug problem, and this resulted in some chaos on the set, although it still doesn't explain the weak scripts. But whether or not you enjoy Angel, the crossover episodes, nearly all of them, are brilliant. I especially adore the flashbacks with Darla/Drusilla/Spike/Angelus.

The ratings for Angel started off very strong, due to the show originally airing right after Buffy (this is where spin-offs belong, their first year); the strong back-to-back performance meant that The WB was actually profitable for a couple of years. Sadly, that did not last.

I'm going to try Angel and really force myself to stay with it. I want to watch it from the beginning so I understand how Darla comes into play. And yes, Glenn was on drugs during Angel. I believe he was fired from Angel and that's why Wesley was brought back.

Granted, there are some stinkers in season 7 also, like "Stake Out Blues", "The Candidate", "Men For All Seasons", "3,2,1" and "Doo Wah"...but for me, the good episodes of that season outweigh the bad so it goes before Season 1.

I must have forgotten you dislike 3, 2, 1. That's one of my favorite Jo / Blair episodes.

This is exactly why I love the episode so much. It really was painful to watch and I too despised Eddie after that. But how Nancy M did that whole scene was wonderful because it pulled the viewer in and made you really care about the hurt she was feeling. These are the kinds of dramatic scenes I love.

I'm surprise Nancy or the other girls from the core 4 were never nominated in the Emmy's for their acting on the show. Nancy shouldn't be ashamed of this show because she did some of her best dramatic acting on this show. Seems Like Old Times is a good example of this.

I'll have to give it a try. I've never been into vampire stories and always saw the show as banal teen vampire silliness. In fact, i've never even tuned into one episode during it's entire run because of my preconceived notion of it (I never saw the movie either that came before it).

But if the writing is that good, then i'll put it on my list and give it a look. I like intelligent writing but here's my preconceived notion rearing it's head again....just how intelligent can a show be written about vampires?! Is it realistically written or will a large amount of suspension of disbelief be needed in order to watch it? :lol:

Like Retro said, don't watch the movie :lol: It's very corny and doesn't have any purpose for the story of the show. The writing on the show is one of the best for a primetime series. As I mentioned earlier, Joss had the show planned out for each season. He even drops hints in episodes of what's to come in the later seasons. When writers, or the creator, know how they want their show to be, that's what makes a show gold IMO. Buffy also became one of the rarest supernatural shows to bring in realistic issues to the stories. Season 5 started it with one of the most heartbreaking stories. It then continued with more real life issues in season 6. I think you would like seasons 5 and 6 the best because of how depressingly dark they are.

Don't worry: I didn't watch it during the first year because of the exact same reason: I thought: it's going to be this banal teen vampire series, maybe like a soap opera. And maybe it started out that way.* However, it somehow grew into this very sophisticated series that sort of subverted the genre with clever writing and very good acting. I started watching, and by mid-season 2, I was hooked. I thought, "This is way better than I expected."

It was a show that pushed the limits of television of that era: they did technical things and wrote episodes in ways that weren't thought possible at that time. And the writers were smart enough to see how our world was changing, and wrote that into scripts. They filmed an episode with a school shooting before the Columbine tragedy happened, predicting the current era of school violence. While there are a few episodes I don't care for, there's a good reason the series ended up winning several Emmys and Hugo Awards (16 industry award wins, 47 nominations), despite being on the lowly-rated WB network.

I know you have many shows you want to watch, but since it's been brought up here, I would be remiss to not recommend it. Also, IMO, the original feature film was horrible, and can be skipped entirely.

*There is some silliness in the first season; despite this, I love that year anyway.

I'll never forget how the Columbine shooting delayed not only Earshot from airing but also the season finale that year. It was neat though we got two new episodes later that summer.

I just started Part 3 and want to know how the hell is Nancy from Part 1 in this when Freddy locked her and her friends in the car at the end of that film and took them all away?! So that was a dream she had and audiences were fooled?!

Otherwise it seems like a big fat plothole to me! :lol:

She had a big patch of gray hair which confused me because she'd only be 21 like you said, but they were trying to make her look 40?!

BTW I started a Freddy thread over at the Movie board!! Hop on over!!

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=366

I responded :dance::banana:

Yes, NANCY was definitely having nightmares after FREDDY KRUEGER killed her friends, boyfriend and her mother in the NIGHTMARE ON ELM ST part 1: that part in the car when she sees all her friends, boyfriend alive and her mother smiling from the main entrance was only a dream (she probably ended up in rehab at the hospital after witnessing their death).

On part 3 THE DREAM WARRIORS: a few years had passed and NANCY was already a young adult (probably 21 years old) a student trying to help the last remaining Elm st kids.....

Valentina and all the other Freddy fans, join cfr and I over on the movie board to discuss the Freddy movies :cheers::guitar::banana::dance:

I know Charlotte leaves in the following season but season 8 has a very strong writing

I agree so much with this. They really reinvented itself that season. It's no wonder The Facts of Life lasted as long as it did. Until season 9, it was still a strong show at that point.

valentina warner

06-28-2020, 09:08 PM

My rank is 2 4 3 5 8 6 1 9 7. In my opinion 7 is the worst season (with several good episodes of course, for example "The Lady who Came to Dinner"). I don't know why, but with Mrs. Garrett's role reduced, Edna's Edibles gone and the writing, it was a diff'rent show. I know Charlotte leaves in the following season but season 8 has a very strong writing

I agree with you FOL FAN ITA: season 7 is definitely the worst because of its experimental 'Over our heads' opening, but i cannot believe you ranked season 1 almost at the bottom lol!!! (i personally found season 2 & 3 less appealing than 1 lol ) but 4, 5 & 6 were definitely good!!!:welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome:

valentina warner

06-28-2020, 09:46 PM

Oh good point! I never thought of it but Jo did seem to pick safe guys to be with after Eddie. Maybe her breakup with Eddie damaged her more than we thought. Her next guy was Sam, the 30 year old teacher with a kid. She couldn't get more safe than that because he was mature with a steady job.

One thing Buffy did start was the snarky comedy dialogue in supernatural TV shows. Buffy also started a trend of girl power TV shows at that time. We had Charmed, Alias, Snoops, Birds of Prey, and other female hero shows. Supernatural definitely takes after Buffy with its story telling. Each season does their own version of big bad with the clever funny dialogue. I recommend Supernatural to anyone who hasn't seen it. Jensen Ackles is the best actor on that show. He plays Dean perfectly.

I started watching for Sarah Michelle Gellar. I was a fan of hers on All My Children. Season 1 I definitely kept watching for her. There were some good episodes, but it was nothing compared to what season 2 and onward brought on. The stories really picked up in season 2 and I was hooked. I also bought the DVDs. Each time a season came out, I bought it. God remember how expensive they were back then? SunCoast really charged an arm and a leg for them.

I'm surprise people were banned from watching it due to the gay relationship. It wasn't like it took over the whole show. Plus they were so sweet together. I think they were the best couple on that show. They really loved each other.

OOOOO the game of life scene. I laughed so hard when Anya seriously asked Xander, "can I trade the kids in for more money?" :rotflmao::rotflmao::lol: Her "dumb" moments were perfect because she didn't know she was being dumb with what she was asking or talking about at times. Plus Anya's scene in that season 5 episode was so spot on with how people respond to death. I don't think anyone could have done that scene as perfect as Emma.

Season 7 has a few good episodes. 'Him' is probably my favorite. I love Willow's dialogue in response to Anya saying "he has a penis"

I agree so much with this. Adam was not a good big bad.

They were desperate to be something. I think that's what made them somewhat dangerous. What they did in Dead Things showed how seriously messed up they were to be bad guys. But they weren't meant to be the big bad of season 6. Overall the big bad was growing up and experiencing life issues. The fact that when someone says to a mystical God to please bring someone back and the response is, "this is a human death by human means" it's like what the hell are you doing Joss calling this a supernatural show if they can't use magic to bring someone back to life? :mumble: I hate the ending to Seeing Red and the beginning of Villains. Thankfully Joss made up for it with the ending of Villains. As Drusilla says, "do it again, do it again!" only, I would add "slower" when that scene happens :D

I'm going to try Angel and really force myself to stay with it. I want to watch it from the beginning so I understand how Darla comes into play. And yes, Glenn was on drugs during Angel. I believe he was fired from Angel and that's why Wesley was brought back.

I must have forgotten you dislike 3, 2, 1. That's one of my favorite Jo / Blair episodes.

I'm surprise Nancy or the other girls from the core 4 were never nominated in the Emmy's for their acting on the show. Nancy shouldn't be ashamed of this show because she did some of her best dramatic acting on this show. Seems Like Old Times is a good example of this.

Like Retro said, don't watch the movie :lol: It's very corny and doesn't have any purpose for the story of the show. The writing on the show is one of the best for a primetime series. As I mentioned earlier, Joss had the show planned out for each season. He even drops hints in episodes of what's to come in the later seasons. When writers, or the creator, know how they want their show to be, that's what makes a show gold IMO. Buffy also became one of the rarest supernatural shows to bring in realistic issues to the stories. Season 5 started it with one of the most heartbreaking stories. It then continued with more real life issues in season 6. I think you would like seasons 5 and 6 the best because of how depressingly dark they are.

I'll never forget how the Columbine shooting delayed not only Earshot from airing but also the season finale that year. It was neat though we got two new episodes later that summer.

I responded :dance::banana:

Valentina and all the other Freddy fans, join cfr and I over on the movie board to discuss the Freddy movies :cheers::guitar::banana::dance:

I agree so much with this. They really reinvented itself that season. It's no wonder The Facts of Life lasted as long as it did. Until season 9, it was still a strong show at that point.

Hi Christopher, what movie board on FREDDY MOVIES are you talking about???? (is it on this site?):wave::wave::wave:

Lorimar Television

06-28-2020, 11:58 PM

FOL-FAN-ITA

06-29-2020, 03:14 AM

I agree with you FOL FAN ITA: season 7 is definitely the worst because of its experimental 'Over our heads' opening, but i cannot believe you ranked season 1 almost at the bottom lol!!! (i personally found season 2 & 3 less appealing than 1 lol ) but 4, 5 & 6 were definitely good!!!:welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome::welcome:

Oh, don't get me wrong Valentina :lol:, I'm not a hater of the first season. I like the Lost Girls (especially Cindy and Nancy), Mr. Bradley (I always wished they kept him instead of Mr. Parker). I prefer the cafeteria years and the Edna's Edibles storyline, what I don't like about the first year is the writing, but I think every show with every season has its good and bad side of the writing. But really, I love every season of Facts, it's one of the few shows that kept a good continuity for its run and never became silly or unwatchable during the later years

valentina warner

06-29-2020, 07:50 PM

Oh, don't get me wrong Valentina :lol:, I'm not a hater of the first season. I like the Lost Girls (especially Cindy and Nancy), Mr. Bradley (I always wished they kept him instead of Mr. Parker). I prefer the cafeteria years and the Edna's Edibles storyline, what I don't like about the first year is the writing, but I think every show with every season has its good and bad side of the writing. But really, I love every season of Facts, it's one of the few shows that kept a good continuity for its run and never became silly or unwatchable during the later years

Same here FOL FAN ITA: i have never loved a show as much as FOL, and even though season 7 is my least favourite, the last 2 episodes are very crucial and in a way important for the introduction to the season 8 (the departure of MRS G and the introduction of BEVERLY ANN).:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

valentina warner

06-30-2020, 01:52 PM

2 and 3 are good seasons, they're still at Eastland and we still have the lost girls pop in. The first 3 are my fav for sure.

Hi Lorsie!

Of course season 2 and 3 are great (the complete lot of FOL is fantastic!!!!) i just got my favourites seasons like everybody else, that's all.

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

Lorimar Television

06-30-2020, 05:06 PM

Hi Lorsie!

Of course season 2 and 3 are great (the complete lot of FOL is fantastic!!!!) i just got my favourites seasons like everybody else, that's all.

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

Thats fair Tina ;):lol:

valentina warner

06-30-2020, 05:40 PM

Thats fair Tina ;):lol:

TINA????? (as in TURNER????):brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent

Lorimar Television

06-30-2020, 06:37 PM

TINA????? (as in TURNER????):brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent:brent
Short for ValenTINA ;)

valentina warner

06-30-2020, 06:50 PM

Short for ValenTINA ;)

I know: i was only teasing you!!!!!:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

FOL-FAN-ITA

07-02-2020, 06:15 PM

Cfr, where are you? I hope everything is okay

valentina warner

07-02-2020, 06:43 PM

Cfr, where are you? I hope everything is okay

cfr1970 is having a break from FOL and watching horror movies instead hee hee hee!!!pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:pumpkin:

cfr1970

07-03-2020, 12:45 AM

Cfr, where are you? I hope everything is okay

Hey FOL-FAN-ITA! Everything is ok! Thanks for asking!! :thumbsup::woohoo:

As valentina said, i'm taking a break from FOL for the moment to catch up on other things...and yes, my horror films is one of them! 👻

I've also got my Reba, Mary Tyler Moore dvds to watch, and a ton of classic films i've been buying off Ebay that are filling my time now.

The later seasons of FOL i've never seen so it was fun to watch and review them as I went along because they were all "new" to me. The same with season 1 as well.

But now that i'm back to season 2, these are all "old" episodes to me since i've seen them all before so i'm putting Facts on the back burner for now to watch "new" dvd's.

And valentina you need to pick up where I left off and review season 8 here. We all want to hear your opinions on the season and Beverly Ann. :beeutiful

:triplets:triplets:triplets

valentina warner

07-03-2020, 12:38 PM

Hey FOL-FAN-ITA! Everything is ok! Thanks for asking!!

As valentina said, i'm taking a break from FOL for the moment to catch up on other things...and yes, my horror films is one of them! 👻

I've also got my Reba, Mary Tyler Moore dvds to watch, and a ton of classic films i've been buying off Ebay that are filling my time now.

The later seasons of FOL i've never seen so it was fun to watch and review them as I went along because they were all "new" to me. The same with season 1 as well.

But now that i'm back to season 2, these are all "old" episodes to me since i've seen them all before so i'm putting Facts on the back burner for now to watch "new" dvd's.

And valentina you need to pick up where I left off and review season 8 here. We all want to hear your opinions on the season and Beverly Ann. :beeutiful

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Hello cfr1970!!!!

Guess what: i finally got my season 8 DVD yippee!!!! (it arrived on the mail today with a couple of days delay), so as soon as i finish watching season 6, i'll definitely start reviewing on your BELOVED BEVERLY ANN!!!!:beeutiful:beeutiful:beeutiful:beeutiful:beeutiful:beeutiful:beeutiful:beeutiful

In the meantime: enjoy your horror zone!!!:alien::alien::alien::alien::alien:

Lorimar Television

07-08-2020, 06:50 PM

Hey CFR, try not to read the comments on the Reba board, someones giving away storylines in them. But I wanna hear your thoughts on s2 eps 3 and 4!

cfr1970

07-08-2020, 09:24 PM

Hey CFR, try not to read the comments on the Reba board, someones giving away storylines in them. But I wanna hear your thoughts on s2 eps 3 and 4!

I'm not getting e mail notifications from the Reba thread for some reason so I didn't see the latest posts in there. I only saw your posts but since I read this thread first, I didn't read the other person's posts in between knowing they were spoilers so I scrolled quickly past them.

All I noticed was that you disagreed with the person about something to do with Cheyenne...It's so hard to stay unspoiled when you go online!! Anyway, I replied to you over there about the episodes! :wave:

valentina warner

07-09-2020, 05:08 PM

Okay everyone, here is the moment you have all been waiting for: as i have now started with season 8, i will be able to review them as i watch them, so here it goes!!!!!!

OUT OF PEEKSKILL, PART 1 & 2

It's late at night, and NATALIE is writing down her thoughts: right now she is reminiscing her last moments with the one person who became special in so many ways to her and her 3 best friends, MRS G, who in only a few days will be leaving Peekskill, and her 4 girls who have been the daughters she never had:heart:

As NATALIE reminisces, we see JO enter the living room after summer vacation, and noticing the absence of MRS G right away, she walks towards TOOTIE (who we all know is a 'gossip queen') for answers:
"Tootie What do you know?"
Of course after feigning innocence, the baby of the group blurts out everything she knows: as it turns out, their guardian and longtime friend has got a boyfriend and by the tone of TOOTIE's voice it is quite serious!

As if on cue, our 'feisty red haired' enters in the arms of a handsome middle aged man, and after introducing him to the girls, she cheekily tells them to get out of here (in a nice and funny way) in which BLAIR answers:
"It's okay MRS G, we can take a hint!"

TOOTIE then announces unexpectedly that BEVERLY ANN is on her way (first introduction to MRS G's sister) before exiting discreetly to leave MRS G and her Beau some privacy......

Unfortunately, MRS G's date with her new flame turns into a disaster when he proposes her to marry him and move to Africa with him: the first thing that comes into the motherly woman are her 4 girls! How can she leave them after all these years of forming such a close bond with them; it's obvious how emotionally attached she is to them. After all, she has watched them grow up from young teenage girls into young adults in the 7 years she lived with them, and to her, and it's understandable that she loves them as if they were her flesh and blood......

MRS G turns down BRUCE's proposal, and while she is taking a snooze in the comfy living room sofa, she falls into a deep sleep, and has the worst nightmare ever: BLAIR has just confessed of murdering her, to stop her from making more quiches! And to make matters worse, her other 3 girls are completely aloof about her lying in a coffin (apparently dead) and of course we have a brief appearance from URCHIN ANDY (he just couldn't keep from pocking his nose everywhere!) but thank god it's only in the dream!

Just before she wakes up from that weird and horrible nightmare, MRS G tries to make herself heard, claiming that her life had meaning, how she helped everyone and cannot just die like that, and screaming at the top of her lungs, she scares the girls who then rush up to her to see what was all the yelling about!

We see then NATALIE then writes down on her diary what a horrible dream MRS G had indeed, but to her and the 3 girls, the worst and most shocking news, is when MRS G tells them that she is off to Africa with the man she loves, that she'd made up the decision to go for it while there is still time, and stomps out of the living room like a happy schoolgirl!

The shock and disbelief is obvious on the girls faces when they realize they might be losing their guardian, mother figure and longtime friend who has always been there for each of them....:baby:

We see then the 4 girls reminisce their special moments with MRS G: how life will never be the same again once she leaves their side, and what a special place she has in their heart.:love:

As if by magic, MRS G walks into the living room again and tells her girls how she cannot make a decision like his without consulting them: in their selfless way, JO, BLAIR, NATALIE and TOOTIE reassure her that their respect her choice, that she has given them so much in 7 years and that it's time for her to be happy and do what her heart desires (even though it means they will lose her).:crybaby:

The next day though, MRS G walks into the shop and tells them how she has to leave sooner than planned and that there won't be even time to organize a wedding, in which BLAIR replies that she will not stand for it, that they've waited 7 years to be bridesmaids, and that nothing is impossible in the WARNER's vocabulary (smart one our 'girl with the golden heart') and here she goes, ready to organize her mentor and longtime friend's wedding with the little help of the 2 youngsters TOOTIE and NAT!

MRS G then has a special moment with JO, who tells her that she will never forget what she's done for her, that thanks to her she finished school and was able to stick for so long at 'Eastland' and then 'Langley' (she didn't quite say those words, but i know that's what she meant).
MRS G gets emotional and tells her, that she won't forget either what she's done for her, and they both hug!:kiss:

Meanwhile and right on schedule, we see BLAIR busy on the phone trying to get a licence for MRS G's wedding, and when she cannot get results right away she panics and speaks from the heart:
"she's more than a housemother or a friend, her name is Mrs Garret, and i don't know what i'll do without her, have a heart!"
Words spoken from the heart indeed, and you can feel her pain in losing the one person who has been a real mother to her (she didn't quite say it that way, but that exactly what she was hinting at when she says that MRS G is more than a friend to her):loveya:

MRS G then walks into the living room, and a very excited BLAIR tells her that everything is under control and that there will be a wedding as planned!

The next moment is a very heart warming one, when MRS G tells her girls how special they all are to her, how much she enjoyed caring for them all these years, and that they will always be in her heart:
"i hope you felt love because you were, very much! And you always will!"
If you watch closely, you'll notice that BLAIR is the one who was most moved: the expression in her face says how much she will miss the one person who has always been there for her in the good and bad times:eyes:

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The big day has finally arrived, but before i continue, let's all give a big clap and welcome to BEVERLY ANN for making such a great entrance!:beeutiful:beeutiful

So this is it: the introduction to the heart warming eccentric sister of MRS G, who will be taking her place for better or worse!

As predicted, BEVERLY ANN turns out to be lots of laugh and very different from her sister MRS G: the one thing they both share though is their heart! The great capacity for loving without waiting anything in return, and also their capacity to forgive no matter what!

Now, back to BEVERLY ANN: her first encounter with the girls turns out to be abrupt and a little bitter when she almost sabotages her sister wedding (without meaning it of course) and MRS G finds herself wanting to call the whole thing off, and hides in the back of the shop!

TOOTIE and JO follow MRS G to try to reason with her, while a very cool and hyper BEVERLY ANN tries to warm up to BLAIR and NATALIE: she confesses to them, how she has always felt that she knew her sister girls (after reading all these years the letters MRS G wrote to her about everything her girls went though).
BEVERLY ANN then puts her arms lovingly behind BLAIR and NATALIE's shoulders, and says how she and her husband FRANK never had any sex (i'm sure she meant for a long time they hadn't) and therefore couldn't have any children! (Ha ha ha our 'eccentric short blond haired' is hilarious, and BLAIR & NAT's face even so!).

Meanwhile, JO & TOOTIE try to convince MRS G not to run away from her problems, but rather face them!
Unfortunately, our 'feisty red haired' is very stubborn and wants to be left alone, so when JO & TOOTIE walks back into the living room they find BLAIR & NAT but minus BEVERLY ANN!

As it turns out, our 'eccentric short blond haired' is hiding in a caravan: away from civilization and feeling sorry for herself and for always be the black sheep in the family! (again, she didn't say those words, but i know that's exactly how she felt).
The girls must have felt guilty, because in the next minute the 4 of them burst into the caravan and of course JO cannot resist teasing BLAIR:
"Just be nice and don't say anything nasty to her", in which she replies:
"Jo, i'm not a moron!"
But in the next moment when BLAIR enters inside BEVERLY ANN's caravan, she exclaims in disgust: "what kind of place is that?" but retracts herself immediately: "i meant that in the nicest way!" :rofl:

To make matters more entertaining, MRS G appears too and says to her sister not to worry, that she will not go along with the wedding, that the timing is wrong, and that if BRUCE really loved her he would be here etc....

BRUCE then appears as if by magic (along with the priest) and you see his devotion has no limits: he just has to marry her and carry her off!

Then something strange really happens: as MRS G decides to drive, the caravan hangs of a cliff and they might fall into the nothingness!!!!

The girls panic of course, but to my surprise: BLAIR is the bravest one when she decides to jump in right after BEVERLY ANN (our 'eccentric short blond haired' has such feelings of guilt that she has decided to jump in first!).
JO on the other hand is a real goose:
"I can't do it! I can't jump!"
But the funny part i just love, is when TOOTIE starts singing and JO asks her what she's doing the dialogue between them is hilarious:
Jo: "why are you singing?"
Tootie: "i always sing when i'm scared, what do you do?"
Jo: "i hit people!":brent

Finally and lastly it's almost the end:

As MRS G and her girls gather around her for goodbyes, she has a very special moment with each of them: first she tells NATALIE how she was would always make her laugh & that she will miss her very much and then hugs; then comes TOOTIE (quite brief as well) and she tells her that she was the one to always believe in magic, then hugs her.

Now it's BLAIR's turn and the most crucial one: you see how difficult is it for MRS G to say goodbye to her most difficult girl, and i know we agree on that one Christopher, but when she lingers with BLAIR a lot longer as with the others, (even though the audiences were looking for comedy when she says 'Blair Blair Blair' 3 times) she tries to find the right words for the girl who meant so much to her (not that the other 3 didn't: of course they did in their own special way), the girl whom she had the greatest dynamic with, the girl she saw grow and go from naughty/ ill mannered (in the pilot) to snobbish/self absorbed, to the finally sensitive mature young woman with the heart of gold, and who was a lot more than appearances.....
The magic words she delivers then are spoken right from the heart:
Mrs G: "you taught me never to judge a book by its cover. On the outside you may appear to be...."
Blair: "perfect?"
Mrs G: "but the important thing is the inside. You have a heart of gold and love to let it shine!":bighug:

Wow! Sorry for lingering with BLAIR and MRS G's moment guys, but to me those 2 are so important!

CONCLUSION: MRS G throws the bouquet, it lands on JO (who we all know will marry as next)......

Flashaback at NATALIE's and her writing: it's 3 am in the morning, and our new member of the family ECCENTRIC HEART WARMING BEVERLY ANN says to NAT in a very loving voice:
"i haven't discussed sleeping habits with Edna, but i'm sure that 3 am is past your bed time!" (don't we all love her already!).

THE END......

So, cfr1970 and Christopher: as promised i have written the first review from season 8 with my point of view, and hope you are around to read it and comment it? (after all, i did it in both your honour!!!!)

So this is it: goodbye to MRS G (our beloved 'feisty red haired' with the biggest heart!):crysoup:
and hello to BEVERLY ANN (our new 'eccentric/hyper short haired' with a heart as big as her sisters!):cheers:

:violin:

cfr1970

07-09-2020, 08:10 PM

Okay everyone, here is the moment you have all been waiting for: as i have now started with season 8, i will be able to review them as i watch them, so here it goes!!!!!!

OUT OF PEEKSKILL, PART 1 & 2

It's late at night, and NATALIE is writing down her thoughts: right now she is reminiscing her last moments with the one person who became special in so many ways to her and her 3 best friends, MRS G, who in only a few days will be leaving Peekskill, and her 4 girls who have been the daughters she never had:heart:

As NATALIE reminisces, we see JO enter the living room after summer vacation, and noticing the absence of MRS G right away, she walks towards TOOTIE (who we all know is a 'gossip queen') for answers:
"Tootie What do you know?"
Of course after feigning innocence, the baby of the group blurts out everything she knows: as it turns out, their guardian and longtime friend has got a boyfriend and by the tone of TOOTIE's voice it is quite serious!

As if on cue, our 'feisty red haired' enters in the arms of a handsome middle aged man, and after introducing him to the girls, she cheekily tells them to get out of here (in a nice and funny way) in which BLAIR answers:
"It's okay MRS G, we can take a hint!"

TOOTIE then announces unexpectedly that BEVERLY ANN is on her way (first introduction to MRS G's sister) before exiting discreetly to leave MRS G and her Beau some privacy......

Unfortunately, MRS G's date with her new flame turns into a disaster when he proposes her to marry him and move to Africa with him: the first thing that comes into the motherly woman are her 4 girls! How can she leave them after all these years of forming such a close bond with them; it's obvious how emotionally attached she is to them. After all, she has watched them grow up from young teenage girls into young adults in the 7 years she lived with them, and to her, and it's understandable that she loves them as if they were her flesh and blood......

MRS G turns down BRUCE's proposal, and while she is taking a snooze in the comfy living room sofa, she falls into a deep sleep, and has the worst nightmare ever: BLAIR has just confessed of murdering her, to stop her from making more quiches! And to make matters worse, her other 3 girls are completely aloof about her lying in a coffin (apparently dead) and of course we have a brief appearance from URCHIN ANDY (he just couldn't keep from pocking his nose everywhere!) but thank god it's only in the dream!

Just before she wakes up from that weird and horrible nightmare, MRS G tries to make herself heard, claiming that her life had meaning, how she helped everyone and cannot just die like that, and screaming at the top of her lungs, she scares the girls who then rush up to her to see what was all the yelling about!

We see then NATALIE then writes down on her diary what a horrible dream MRS G had indeed, but to her and the 3 girls, the worst and most shocking news, is when MRS G tells them that she is off to Africa with the man she loves, that she'd made up the decision to go for it while there is still time, and stomps out of the living room like a happy schoolgirl!

The shock and disbelief is obvious on the girls faces when they realize they might be losing their guardian, mother figure and longtime friend who has always been there for each of them....

We see then the 4 girls reminisce their special moments with MRS G: how life will never be the same again once she leaves their side, and what a special place she has in their heart.

As if by magic, MRS G walks into the living room again and tells her girls how she cannot make a decision like his without consulting them: in their selfless way, JO, BLAIR, NATALIE and TOOTIE reassure her that their respect her choice, that she has given them so much in 7 years and that it's time for her to be happy and do what her heart desires (even though it means they will lose her).

The next day though, MRS G walks into the shop and tells them how she has to leave sooner than planned and that there won't be even time to organize a wedding, in which BLAIR replies that she will not stand for it, that they've waited 7 years to be bridesmaids, and that nothing is impossible in the WARNER's vocabulary (smart one our 'girl with the golden heart') and here she goes, ready to organize her mentor and longtime friend's wedding with the little help of the 2 youngsters TOOTIE and NAT!

MRS G then has a special moment with JO, who tells her that she will never forget what she's done for her, that thanks to her she finished school and was able to stick for so long at 'Eastland' and then 'Langley' (she didn't quite say those words, but i know that's what she meant).
MRS G gets emotional and tells her, that she won't forget either what she's done for her, and they both hug!:kiss:

Meanwhile and right on schedule, we see BLAIR busy on the phone trying to get a licence for MRS G's wedding, and when she cannot get results right away she panics and speaks from the heart:
"she's more than a housemother or a friend, her name is Mrs Garret, and i don't know what i'll do without her, have a heart!"
Words spoken from the heart indeed, and you can feel her pain in losing the one person who has been a real mother to her (she didn't quite say it that way, but that exactly what she was hinting at when she says that MRS G is more than a friend to her):loveya:

MRS G then walks into the living room, and a very excited BLAIR tells her that everything is under control and that there will be a wedding as planned!

The next moment is a very heart warming one, when MRS G tells her girls how special they all are to her, how much she enjoyed caring for them all these years, and that they will always be in her heart:
"i hope you felt love because you were, very much! And you always will!"
If you watch closely, you'll notice that BLAIR is the one who was most moved: the expression in her face says how much she will miss the one person who has always been there for her in the good and bad times:eyes:

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The big day has finally arrived, but before i continue, let's all give a big clap and welcome to BEVERLY ANN for making such a great entrance!:beeutiful:beeutiful

So this is it: the introduction to the heart warming eccentric sister of MRS G, who will be taking her place for better or worse!

As predicted, BEVERLY ANN turns out to be lots of laugh and very different from her sister MRS G: the one thing they both share though is their heart! The great capacity for loving without waiting anything in return, and also their capacity to forgive no matter what!

Now, back to BEVERLY ANN: her first encounter with the girls turns out to be abrupt and a little bitter when she almost sabotages her sister wedding (without meaning it of course) and MRS G finds herself wanting to call the whole thing off, and hides in the back of the shop!

TOOTIE and JO follow MRS G to try to reason with her, while a very cool and hyper BEVERLY ANN tries to warm up to BLAIR and NATALIE: she confesses to them, how she has always felt that she knew her sister girls (after reading all these years the letters MRS G wrote to her about everything her girls went though).
BEVERLY ANN then puts her arms lovingly behind BLAIR and NATALIE's shoulders, and says how she and her husband FRANK never had any sex (i'm sure she meant for a long time they hadn't) and therefore couldn't have any children! (Ha ha ha our 'eccentric short blond haired' is hilarious, and BLAIR & NAT's face even so!).

Meanwhile, JO & TOOTIE try to convince MRS G not to run away from her problems, but rather face them!
Unfortunately, our 'feisty red haired' is very stubborn and wants to be left alone, so when JO & TOOTIE walks back into the living room they find BLAIR & NAT but minus BEVERLY ANN!

As it turns out, our 'eccentric short blond haired' is hiding in a caravan: away from civilization and feeling sorry for herself and for always be the black sheep in the family! (again, she didn't say those words, but i know that's exactly how she felt).
The girls must have felt guilty, because in the next minute the 4 of them burst into the caravan and of course JO cannot resist teasing BLAIR:
"Just be nice and don't say anything nasty to her", in which she replies:
"Jo, i'm not a moron!"
But in the next moment when BLAIR enters inside BEVERLY ANN's caravan, she exclaims in disgust: "what kind of place is that?" but retracts herself immediately: "i meant that in the nicest way!" :rofl:

To make matters more entertaining, MRS G appears too and says to her sister not to worry, that she will not go along with the wedding, that the timing is wrong, and that if BRUCE really loved her he would be here etc....

BRUCE then appears as if by magic (along with the priest) and you see his devotion has no limits: he just has to marry her and carry her off!

Then something strange really happens: as MRS G decides to drive, the caravan hangs of a cliff and they might fall into the nothingness!!!!

The girls panic of course, but to my surprise: BLAIR is the bravest one when she decides to jump in right after BEVERLY ANN (our 'eccentric short blond haired' has such feelings of guilt that she has decided to jump in first!).
JO on the other hand is a real goose:
"I can't do it! I can't jump!"
But the funny part i just love, is when TOOTIE starts singing and JO asks her what she's doing the dialogue between them is hilarious:
Jo: "why are you singing?"
Tootie: "i always sing when i'm scared, what do you do?"
Jo: "i hit people!":brent

Finally and lastly it's almost the end:

As MRS G and her girls gather around her for goodbyes, she has a very special moment with each of them: first she tells NATALIE how she was would always make her laugh & that she will miss her very much and then hugs; then comes TOOTIE (quite brief as well) and she tells her that she was the one to always believe in magic, then hugs her.

Now it's BLAIR's turn and the most crucial one: you see how difficult is it for MRS G to say goodbye to her most difficult girl, and i know we agree on that one Christopher, but when she lingers with BLAIR a lot longer as with the others, (even though the audiences were looking for comedy when she says 'Blair Blair Blair' 3 times) she tries to find the right words for the girl who meant so much to her (not that the other 3 didn't: of course they did in their own special way), the girl whom she had the greatest dynamic with, the girl she saw grow and go from naughty/ ill mannered (in the pilot) to snobbish/self absorbed, to the finally sensitive mature young woman with the heart of gold, and who was a lot more than appearances.....
The magic words she delivers then are spoken right from the heart:
Mrs G: "you taught me never to judge a book by its cover. On the outside you may appear to be...."
Blair: "perfect?"
Mrs G: "but the important thing is the inside. You have a heart of gold and love to let it shine!":bighug:

Wow! Sorry for lingering with BLAIR and MRS G's moment guys, but to me those 2 are so important!

CONCLUSION: MRS G throws the bouquet, it lands on JO (who we all know will marry as next)......

Flashaback at NATALIE's and her writing: it's 3 am in the morning, and our new member of the family ECCENTRIC HEART WARMING BEVERLY ANN says to NAT in a very loving voice:
"i haven't discussed sleeping habits with Edna, but i'm sure that 3 am is past your bed time!" (don't we all love her already!).

THE END......

So, cfr1970 and Christopher: as promised i have written the first review from season 8 with my point of view, and hope you are around to read it and comment it? (after all, i did it in both your honour!!!!)

So this is it: goodbye to MRS G (our beloved 'feisty red haired' with the biggest heart!)
and hello to BEVERLY ANN (our new 'eccentric/hyper short haired' with a heart as big as her sisters!)

:violin:

Great review valentina! :cheers:

The whole episode played in my head as I was reading it. This is one I have to watch over on the dvd because on TV when I watched it, Beverly Ann leaves the house upset, but we don't see it. Though I think on the dvd it's shown when she leaves?

So how do you like Beverly Ann :beeutiful in her first appearance? At first I still didn't like her much because of how stupid she was running over the priest and ruining Mrs. G's wedding at the house. But after a couple of episodes I saw how she really wanted to be part of the girl's lives but seemed nervous not to overstep boundaries.

You'll notice in the next few episodes in her body language with the girls how she wants to be close to them, but still holds back not to scare them off. :lol:

I'm so glad you'll be doing more reviews of season 8 here and keep the thread alive! When I get time i'll try and continue for season 2-4 but things are busy for me these days. :typing:

I can't wait till you get up to "Write & Wrong" to see if you agree Natalie was a huge POD in that one, and also if you hate "Seven Little Indians" as much as I do. :lol:

valentina warner

07-09-2020, 08:40 PM

Great review valentina! :cheers:

The whole episode played in my head as I was reading it. This is one I have to watch over on the dvd because on TV when I watched it, Beverly Ann leaves the house upset, but we don't see it. Though I think on the dvd it's shown when she leaves?

So how do you like Beverly Ann :beeutiful in her first appearance? At first I still didn't like her much because of how stupid she was running over the priest and ruining Mrs. G's wedding at the house. But after a couple of episodes I saw how she really wanted to be part of the girl's lives but seemed nervous not to overstep boundaries.

You'll notice in the next few episodes in her body language with the girls how she wants to be close to them, but still holds back not to scare them off. :lol:

I'm so glad you'll be doing more reviews of season 8 here and keep the thread alive! When I get time i'll try and continue for season 2-4 but things are busy for me these days. :typing:

I can't wait till you get up to "Write & Wrong" to see if you agree Natalie was a huge POD in that one, and also if you hate "Seven Little Indians" as much as I do. :lol:

Hello cfr1970 and i'm very pleased to have you back on board and thank you for your compliment!:cheers::cheers::cheers:

Funny enough, i liked BEVERLY ANN right away now that i got to watch it the second time around, and in a way she even looks younger than MRS G???? (probably because she is wearing modern clothes and is slimmer).
I don't know, but the way she handles and expresses herself is hilarious: especially when she has her 'heart to heart' talk with MRS G, who says that BRUCE is a gentleman, in which BEVERLY ANN replies,
"And FRANK wasn't????" (the expression on her face cracks me up!):brent:brent:brent

Tomorrow is a TOOTIE and BEVERLY ANN episode ('Ready or not') so i'm really looking forward to it!

popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:

cfr1970

07-09-2020, 09:41 PM

Hello cfr1970 and i'm very pleased to have you back on board and thank you for your compliment!:cheers::cheers::cheers:

Funny enough, i liked BEVERLY ANN right away now that i got to watch it the second time around, and in a way she even looks younger than MRS G???? (probably because she is wearing modern clothes and is slimmer).
I don't know, but the way she handles and expresses herself is hilarious: especially when she has her 'heart to heart' talk with MRS G, who says that BRUCE is a gentleman, in which BEVERLY ANN replies,
"And FRANK wasn't????" (the expression on her face cracks me up!):brent:brent:brent

Tomorrow is a TOOTIE and BEVERLY ANN episode ('Ready or not') so i'm really looking forward to it!

popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:

Ready or Not is good and the ending between Tootie & Beverly Ann is so sweet and when I really warmed up to her. I don't know if you've seen it before so I won't say more, but it's such a nice moment in that very last scene as Tootie is walking up the stairs. :heart:

Part of Beverly Ann's charm is how she can be both bitter and funny at the same time. When she talks about her ex husband so bitterly, she does it in such a hysterical way. :lol:

And I think part of what also makes her look younger than Mrs. G is that spiky hair of hers. Can you imagine if Mrs. G dumped the big red poof and spiked it up like Beverly Ann? Though on her I think it would be a disaster! :lol:

Speaking of Mrs. G....I saw this clip on You Tube the other day. Charlotte Rae was in the 1979 Musical film "Hair" which I never knew till now. In the clip, she dances on a table. You have to see our "feisty redhead" in this scene! And she looks like she's having a ball. :lol:

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valentina warner

07-09-2020, 10:04 PM

Ready or Not is good and the ending between Tootie & Beverly Ann is so sweet and when I really warmed up to her. I don't know if you've seen it before so I won't say more, but it's such a nice moment in that very last scene as Tootie is walking up the stairs. :heart:

Part of Beverly Ann's charm is how she can be both bitter and funny at the same time. When she talks about her ex husband so bitterly, she does it in such a hysterical way. :lol:

And I think part of what also makes her look younger than Mrs. G is that spiky hair of hers. Can you imagine if Mrs. G dumped the big red poof and spiked it up like Beverly Ann? Though on her I think it would be a disaster! :lol:

Speaking of Mrs. G....I saw this clip on You Tube the other day. Charlotte Rae was in the 1979 Musical film "Hair" which I never knew till now. In the clip, she dances on a table. You have to see our "feisty redhead" in this scene! And she looks like she's having a ball. :lol:

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Of course i remember CHARLOTTE RAE from HAIR, although at the time i watched it, i was like: what's the housekeeper from DS doing there???? (remember i grew watching DS rather than FOL) but thanks for the link lol!party:party:party:party:party:party:

PS: feisty redhead' indeed hee hee hee!

valentina warner

07-09-2020, 10:14 PM

cfr1970

07-09-2020, 10:35 PM

Heycfr1970!

I just watched the HAIR clip you sent me: did you notice how identical that guy is to CASEY ???? (BLAIR's beau from season 9).
I just couldn't believe it, and i almost thought it was him!!!!!
The resemblance is astonishing!!!!!

Yes he does look like Casey! The same crazy hair and even the crazy eyes too. :crazy::lol:

I saw Hair way back when I was a kid and had no idea Charlotte Rae was in it! The clip randomly appeared in my You Tube feed the other day and when I played it I was shocked to see our Mrs. G happily dancing on the table! I never knew she was in it.

I only saw that little clip....is Charlotte in other parts of the film too? If so, I may buy it then. :cool:

valentina warner

07-10-2020, 01:53 PM

Yes he does look like Casey! The same crazy hair and even the crazy eyes too. :crazy::lol:

I saw Hair way back when I was a kid and had no idea Charlotte Rae was in it! The clip randomly appeared in my You Tube feed the other day and when I played it I was shocked to see our Mrs. G happily dancing on the table! I never knew she was in it.

I only saw that little clip....is Charlotte in other parts of the film too? If so, I may buy it then. :cool:

Hello cfr1970!!!!!

First of all, where did you leave MRS G and her girls???? (you've changed the profile to some strange women i'v never seen before!!!!!):crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

And then about HAIR: i think that's the only scene with CHARLOTTE RAE on it (i watched it ages ago, like in 1989 so i don't remember that much) so i wouldn't buy it if i were you! After all, CASEY is the main character on it and not MRS G!!!!!:brent:brent:brent

PS: did you ship MRS G and her girls to Africa???:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

cfr1970

07-10-2020, 02:19 PM

Hello cfr1970!!!!!

First of all, where did you leave MRS G and her girls???? (you've changed the profile to some strange women i'v never seen before!!!!!):crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

And then about HAIR: i think that's the only scene with CHARLOTTE RAE on it (i watched it ages ago, like in 1989 so i don't remember that much) so i wouldn't buy it if i were you! After all, CASEY is the main character on it and not MRS G!!!!!:brent:brent:brent

PS: did you ship MRS G and her girls to Africa???:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

OMG "strange women"???? :brent

That's Mary & Rhoda! Surely you've heard of them over in the UK? :eek:

I'm giving Mrs. G and the girls a rest and wanted to switch my avatar up with Mary & Rhoda because i'm into that show a lot now. You've heard of The Mary Tyler Moore Show I hope! :lol: That's Rhoda on the left and Mary on the right in the picture.

I still might buy Hair anyway because I like all the singing and dancing in it.

valentina warner

07-10-2020, 02:41 PM

OMG "strange women"???? :brent

That's Mary & Rhoda! Surely you've heard of them over in the UK? :eek:

I'm giving Mrs. G and the girls a rest and wanted to switch my avatar up with Mary & Rhoda because i'm into that show a lot now. You've heard of The Mary Tyler Moore Show I hope! :lol: That's Rhoda on the left and Mary on the right in the picture.

I still might buy Hair anyway because I like all the singing and dancing in it.

Nope, i have never heard or seen the MARY TYLER & RHODA (which is weird because i know most of the classic stuff!!!!!).

From the 70 s, i watched WONDER WOMAN, THE MILLION DOLLAR MAN, THE BIONIC WOMAN, LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE, THE MAN OF THE ATLANTIS, THE INCREDIBLE HULK, CHARLIE'S ANGELS, FANTASY ISLAND etc.... (i watched them all in the early 80 s):jig::jig::jig:

I think i know probably why i had never watched that MARY & RHODA show you're talking about though: it looks like it's more focused on adults (rather than kids) and that was before my time, or i would have been rather too small/baby to watch it lol!:baby::baby::baby:

:cheer::cheer::cheer:

cfr1970

07-10-2020, 02:48 PM

Nope, i have never heard or seen the MARY TYLER & RHODA (which is weird because i know most of the classic stuff!!!!!).

From the 70 s, i watched WONDER WOMAN, THE MILLION DOLLAR MAN, THE BIONIC WOMAN, LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE, THE MAN OF THE ATLANTIS, THE INCREDIBLE HULK, CHARLIE'S ANGELS, FANTASY ISLAND etc.... (i watched them all in the early 80 s):jig::jig::jig:

I think i know probably why i had never watched that MARY & RHODA show you're talking about though: it looks like it's more focused on adults (rather than kids) and that was before my time, or i would have been rather too small/baby to watch it lol!:baby::baby::baby:

:cheer::cheer::cheer:

You're completely right that it's more an adult focused show and why I never watched it myself until recently. When I was growing up I had zero interest in it because it was something for the adults to watch. But now that i'm 50, I guess i'm part of that adult audience finally. :lol:

If you enjoy ensemble shows, you may like MTM. Check out some of the videos on You Tube to see if it's your taste or not. And Cloris Leachman in in it, but she's sprinkled in different episodes and you don't see her in all of them.

I also grew up on all those other shows you mentioned. In fact i'm watching Little House on the Prairie every day now because they show 3 episodes a day from 4-7 so I leave my TV on that.

I never heard of The Man from Atlantis though. :confused::confused:

I have to look that one up. :typing:

valentina warner

07-10-2020, 03:00 PM

You're completely right that it's more an adult focused show and why I never watched it myself until recently. When I was growing up I had zero interest in it because it was something for the adults to watch. But now that i'm 50, I guess i'm part of that adult audience finally. :lol:

If you enjoy ensemble shows, you may like MTM. Check out some of the videos on You Tube to see if it's your taste or not. And Cloris Leachman in in it, but she's sprinkled in different episodes and you don't see her in all of them.

I also grew up on all those other shows you mentioned. In fact i'm watching Little House on the Prairie every day now because they show 3 episodes a day from 4-7 so I leave my TV on that.

I never heard of The Man from Atlantis though. :confused::confused:

I have to look that one up. :typing:

Oh my god, i cannot believe you have never heard of MAN OF THE ATLANTIS???? PATRICK DUFFY (the guy from DALLAS) is the main star lol!!!!! Check it out! I used to love watching it as a child and wished i was a little mermaid!!!!:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

RetroGuy2000

07-10-2020, 03:40 PM

cfr1970

07-10-2020, 04:12 PM

Oh my god, i cannot believe you have never heard of MAN OF THE ATLANTIS???? PATRICK DUFFY (the guy from DALLAS) is the main star lol!!!!! Check it out! I used to love watching it as a child and wished i was a little mermaid!!!!:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

I looked it up and saw it lasted one season and only had 13 episodes. So it was an easy show to miss. :lol:

It seems to have been a bigger hit where you are. I found this on the show's Wikipedia page:

In the United Kingdom, Man from Atlantis was shown in most regions, in an early Saturday evening slot on ITV starting in September 1977, opposite the BBC's long-running sci-fi series Doctor Who, which was then in its 15th season. Although Man from Atlantis had not been a ratings/audience-share or demographic success in the US, the series actually beat Doctor Who during its transmission in the UK.

valentina warner

07-10-2020, 06:57 PM

I looked it up and saw it lasted one season and only had 13 episodes. So it was an easy show to miss. :lol:

It seems to have been a bigger hit where you are. I found this on the show's Wikipedia page:

In the United Kingdom, Man from Atlantis was shown in most regions, in an early Saturday evening slot on ITV starting in September 1977, opposite the BBC's long-running sci-fi series Doctor Who, which was then in its 15th season. Although Man from Atlantis had not been a ratings/audience-share or demographic success in the US, the series actually beat Doctor Who during its transmission in the UK.

Wow! Really? And it had such an impact in me during my early childhood!!!!
I guess it must have been a hit in Europe too, but i am not surprised!
I know a few cases with singers: like the Backstreet boys or David Hasselhoff (although he's an actor too) who gained fame in Europe and the UK.:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

valentina warner

07-11-2020, 03:20 PM

READY OR NOT

The opening begins with BEVERLY ANN pretending to do some cleaning (i'm saying pretending, cos it's obvious she wants to pray into the girl's conversation when once they come in ha ha ha!):rotflmao:

We see then the front door opening and JO & BLAIR walk in and start to talk about taking Langley courses: BLAIR of course has one of her 'brilliant ideas'! She wants to sign up for as many classes as possible, and when JO argues that she might not like them all, she has the best answer of all,
"It's simply like shopping! you select the ones you want, and the others you return, just like a merchandise!" (isn't she just wonderful????):bouncers:

NATALIE is next to walk in looking for something (she looks amazing by the way with all the weight she lost wow!) in which BLAIR asks: "what have you lost, your cigar????":clap

Then it's finally TOOTIE's turns to enter into the house but she's not alone: she's got with her, the most UGLY guy i have ever seen her with, and a WIMP too! (where are you HANDSOME JEFFREY???? Please come back!!!!!):eek2:

BEVERLY ANN doesn't miss a trick though: she walks into the room with a mop in her hands (pretending to do some cleaning) and says to TOOTIE and her new boyfriend
"you two were quite late last night it seems? Too late if you ask me?[/B]"
In which TOOTIE replies:"Beverly Ann, you were young once, weren't you?"
Beverly Ann: "sure i was, right before i arrived here!"
:rofl:

TOOTIE and her Beau say their goodbyes, and JO rolls her eyes (she's on my side too and doesn't like the new guy either "Goodbye lunch!"):lol:

UGLY WIMPY guy leaves, and BLAIR's remark is the best: "finally! they're separating!"
TOOTIE's reply to that one is: "guys, we don't see each other that much!" (what a bad taste you have girl!)
But JO's comment is even better: "he's in in the background of your ID photo!"
BLAIR has more to say though: "i thought you weren't that attracted to him when you were in the last play?"
In which TOOTIE babbles something like her RUDY (that's the guy's name) was playing a 963 year old guy etc...
And BEVERLY ANN has the best reply ever:
"he's just the right age for me!":brent

Our 'eccentric short blond haired' doesn't give up though: after all the other girl leave the room, she walks discreetly towards TOOTIE with some cleaning stuff in her hand (keep spraying all over BEVERLY ANN ha ha ha!) and asks her in nosily: "I don't mean to pray and i'm sure it's not my business...."
She then shakes the cleaning bottle and spray some more and continues:
"It certainly isn't my business, but aren't you seeing a bit too much of this guy?"
TOOTIE's reply is a bit rude if you asks me: "you're right Beverly Ann. It isn't your business!"

And forgive me for that, cfr1970, but during the whole episode, we've got a POD TOOTIE, who is very nasty towards BEVERLY ANN and NAT!!!! Now she'll get a real slap from me!!!!! Bad bad girl!!!!!:bash:

UGLY RUDY rings the bell, TOOTIE answers it, and meanwhile a very hurt BEVERLY ANN leaves discreetly.....

UGLY RUDY and TOOTIE sit cozily in the sofa, they talk for a while, until he says to her how they should take things further now that they know each other a bit more....
TOOTIE then answers okay, UGLY RUDY seems quite nervous and says he has never done it, and when she asks him: "you mean you have never? You are?"
"don't say that WORD!" poor UGLY RUDY begs! (he meant virgin lol!)
But TOOTIE blurts our without mercy:
"So you are a virgin?"
"God i hate that WORD!" UGLY RUDY yells frustrated.:clap:

The scene then focus then on BEVERLY ANN and NATALIE in the back of the shop: they are talking about friendship, and NATALIE says how lucky she is to have TOOTIE as best friend, how they never kept any secret from each other etc... (yeah right! wait until you see how changed your best pal is now!).
BEVERLY ANN then answers that she saw TOOTIE going shopping alone, and a very shocked NATALIE replies "WITHOUT ME????"

We see then NATALIE enter the living room and spot POD TOOTIE sitting by the sofa with a shopping bag:
"you went shopping? What did you get?" A surprised NATALIE asks her POD BEST FRIEND, who then hides her carrier bag and says: "nothing, just shoes!" (yeah right!).
We then hear the first mention of SNAKES (NATALIE's future Beau to come) and a giggling NAT, tells TOOTIE she wants to know her opinion about if she should go to a party with him or not?
TOOTIE replies in a very haughty tone: that she should start making her own decision, that they're not 12 years old anymore and the old days of sitting with their pajamas sipping coco are over etc...
And a very hurt/surprised NAT (she's hiding how hurt she is) says: "but i'd like to know your opinion, and no, we haven't stopped sipping cocoa with our pajamas on".
NASTY POD TOOTIE replies: "there are times when we don't have to discuss with each other about everything."
NAT tries to see the humour in it, and replies: "why not?"
POD TOOTIE replies: "because our husband might feel left out." (bad bad TOOTIE!) :horse:

NATALIE then exits, and as soon as she does, POD TOOTIE takes some sexy lingerie out of her 'secret bag'...
BEVERLY ANN happens to walk in (she's everywhere man ha ha ha!) and at the sight of such 'sexy lingerie' POD TOOTIE is holding in her hand, she asks her:
"Lovely night gown Something for your mother?" (ha ha ha lol!)
NASTY POD TOOTIE says in a very haughty voice: "no, it's for me!"
And when a very caring BEVERLY ANN wants to have a 'heart to heart' talk with her, NASTY POD TOOTIE explodes:
"look this is none of your business but my own!"
and stomps out of the living room!!!!

JO then comes downstairs to find a very distressed BEVERLY ANN, who then babbles that everything is okay, our 'Bronx girl' doesn't buy it of course, but before she can answer they hear the bell rings: it's UGLY RUDY at the door (of course) carrying flowers!
BEVERLY ANN is angry/shocked: "you brought flowers? Here let me take them!"
Our 'eccentric short blond haired' grabs the flowers out of UGLY RUDY's hand, leaves the living room and then we suddenly hear a loud noise (BEVERLY ANN threw the flowers into the TOILET!!!! ha ha ha!)
But the best of all is JO's answer: "you have to excuse HER! She's knew!!!":lol:

We then focus on a car scene: TOOTIE and her UGLY BOYFRIEND are trying to make out, failing miserably! Both are nervous as it's their first time, and to make matters worse, UGLY RUDY practically throws himself at TOOTIE very clumsily!!!! They almost knock the door open and everything goes wrong.....
TOOTIE then says she changed her mind, and that the 'first time' should be special.
UGLY RUDY gets frustrated and drives her back home.....

Now we focused into another scene: BEVERLY ANN walks into the living room with 2 very caring JO & BLAIR (i have to say those 2 were very sweet and caring during the episode) who asks her concerned why she is so upset, if they did something that bothered her etc.....
"Tootie is the problem: she is way too serious about this guy!" A very distressed BEVERLY ANN wails!!!!!
NATALIE suddenly walks in unexpectedly and babbles how she thinks TOOTIE and UGLY RUDY might be having sex right now, BEVERLY ANN then answers:
"let's not panic about this... Tootie is an adult, but then... so is Rudy!!!!"

TOOTIE then opens abruptly the entrance door, and when she tells everybody she blew it, NAT says to her that she has a right to change her mind, but BEVERLY ANN's tip is the best:
"Frank and i went through the same thing once he had his... other woman... I said to myself, don't worry... he'll come back!"
TOOTIE frowns and answers: "But he didn't come back!"
But our 'eccentric short haired blond' doesn't give up: "okay, we can still learn from it! Sometimes, they don't come back! (ha ha ha lol!):cheers:

The bell unexpectedly rings, and a very happy TOOTIE says: "he does love me!" She then waves her friends off to have some privacy with her Beau (who as it turns out only came back to collect the books he forgot).

We then see a HEARTBROKEN TOOTIE close the door: BEVERLY ANN magically appears, and they have their first 'heart to heart' talk!!!!
"Congratulations on becoming a woman":loveya:

THE END.....

Another great episode, and BEVERLY ANN was simply the best!!!:beeutiful

popcorn:popcorn

cfr1970

07-11-2020, 04:24 PM

READY OR NOT

The opening begins with BEVERLY ANN pretending to do some cleaning (i'm saying pretending, cos it's obvious she wants to pray into the girl's conversation when once they come in ha ha ha!)

We see then the front door opening and JO & BLAIR walk in and start to talk about taking Langley courses: BLAIR of course has one of her 'brilliant ideas'! She wants to sign up for as many classes as possible, and when JO argues that she might not like them all, she has the best answer of all,
"It's simply like shopping! you select the ones you want, and the others you return, just like a merchandise!" (isn't she just wonderful????)

NATALIE is next to walk in looking for something (she looks amazing by the way with all the weight she lost wow!) in which BLAIR asks: "what have you lost, your cigar????"

Then it's finally TOOTIE's turns to enter into the house but she's not alone: she's got with her, the most UGLY guy i have ever seen her with, and a WIMP too! (where are you HANDSOME JEFFREY???? Please come back!!!!!)

BEVERLY ANN doesn't miss a trick though: she walks into the room with a mop in her hands (pretending to do some cleaning) and says to TOOTIE and her new boyfriend
"you two were quite late last night it seems? Too late if you ask me?[/B]"
In which TOOTIE replies:"Beverly Ann, you were young once, weren't you?"
Beverly Ann: "sure i was, right before i arrived here!"

TOOTIE and her Beau say their goodbyes, and JO rolls her eyes (she's on my side too and doesn't like the new guy either "Goodbye lunch!")

UGLY WIMPY guy leaves, and BLAIR's remark is the best: "finally! they're separating!"
TOOTIE's reply to that one is: "guys, we don't see each other that much!" (what a bad taste you have girl!)
But JO's comment is even better: "he's in in the background of your ID photo!"
BLAIR has more to say though: "i thought you weren't that attracted to him when you were in the last play?"
In which TOOTIE babbles something like her RUDY (that's the guy's name) was playing a 963 year old guy etc...
And BEVERLY ANN has the best reply ever:
"he's just the right age for me!"

Our 'eccentric short blond haired' doesn't give up though: after all the other girl leave the room, she walks discreetly towards TOOTIE with some cleaning stuff in her hand (keep spraying all over BEVERLY ANN ha ha ha!) and asks her in nosily: "I don't mean to pray and i'm sure it's not my business...."
She then shakes the cleaning bottle and spray some more and continues:
"It certainly isn't my business, but aren't you seeing a bit too much of this guy?"
TOOTIE's reply is a bit rude if you asks me: "you're right Beverly Ann. It isn't your business!"

And forgive me for that, cfr1970, but during the whole episode, we've got a POD TOOTIE, who is very nasty towards BEVERLY ANN and NAT!!!! Now she'll get a real slap from me!!!!! Bad bad girl!!!!!

UGLY RUDY rings the bell, TOOTIE answers it, and meanwhile a very hurt BEVERLY ANN leaves discreetly.....

UGLY RUDY and TOOTIE sit cozily in the sofa, they talk for a while, until he says to her how they should take things further now that they know each other a bit more....
TOOTIE then answers okay, UGLY RUDY seems quite nervous and says he has never done it, and when she asks him: "you mean you have never? You are?"
"don't say that WORD!" poor UGLY RUDY begs! (he meant virgin lol!)
But TOOTIE blurts our without mercy:
"So you are a virgin?"
"God i hate that WORD!" UGLY RUDY yells frustrated.:clap:

The scene then focus then on BEVERLY ANN and NATALIE in the back of the shop: they are talking about friendship, and NATALIE says how lucky she is to have TOOTIE as best friend, how they never kept any secret from each other etc... (yeah right! wait until you see how changed your best pal is now!).
BEVERLY ANN then answers that she saw TOOTIE going shopping alone, and a very shocked NATALIE replies "WITHOUT ME????"

We see then NATALIE enter the living room and spot POD TOOTIE sitting by the sofa with a shopping bag:
"you went shopping? What did you get?" A surprised NATALIE asks her POD BEST FRIEND, who then hides her carrier bag and says: "nothing, just shoes!" (yeah right!).
We then hear the first mention of SNAKES (NATALIE's future Beau to come) and a giggling NAT, tells TOOTIE she wants to know her opinion about if she should go to a party with him or not?
TOOTIE replies in a very haughty tone: that she should start making her own decision, that they're not 12 years old anymore and the old days of sitting with their pajamas sipping coco are over etc...
And a very hurt/surprised NAT (she's hiding how hurt she is) says: "but i'd like to know your opinion, and no, we haven't stopped sipping cocoa with our pajamas on".
NASTY POD TOOTIE replies: "there are times when we don't have to discuss with each other about everything."
NAT tries to see the humour in it, and replies: "why not?"
POD TOOTIE replies: "because our husband might feel left out." (bad bad TOOTIE!) :horse:

NATALIE then exits, and as soon as she does, POD TOOTIE takes some sexy lingerie out of her 'secret bag'...
BEVERLY ANN happens to walk in (she's everywhere man ha ha ha!) and at the sight of such 'sexy lingerie' POD TOOTIE is holding in her hand, she asks her:
"Lovely night gown Something for your mother?" (ha ha ha lol!)
NASTY POD TOOTIE says in a very haughty voice: "no, it's for me!"
And when a very caring BEVERLY ANN wants to have a 'heart to heart' talk with her, NASTY POD TOOTIE explodes:
"look this is none of your business but my own!"
and stomps out of the living room!!!!

JO then comes downstairs to find a very distressed BEVERLY ANN, who then babbles that everything is okay, our 'Bronx girl' doesn't buy it of course, but before she can answer they hear the bell rings: it's UGLY RUDY at the door (of course) carrying flowers!
BEVERLY ANN is angry/shocked: "you brought flowers? Here let me take them!"
Our 'eccentric short blond haired' grabs the flowers out of UGLY RUDY's hand, leaves the living room and then we suddenly hear a loud noise (BEVERLY ANN threw the flowers into the TOILET!!!! ha ha ha!)
But the best of all is JO's answer: "you have to excuse HER! She's knew!!!":lol:

We then focus on a car scene: TOOTIE and her UGLY BOYFRIEND are trying to make out, failing miserably! Both are nervous as it's their first time, and to make matters worse, UGLY RUDY practically throws himself at TOOTIE very clumsily!!!! They almost knock the door open and everything goes wrong.....
TOOTIE then says she changed her mind, and that the 'first time' should be special.
UGLY RUDY gets frustrated and drives her back home.....

Now we focused into another scene: BEVERLY ANN walks into the living room with 2 very caring JO & BLAIR (i have to say those 2 were very sweet and caring during the episode) who asks her concerned why she is so upset, if they did something that bothered her etc.....
"Tootie is the problem: she is way too serious about this guy!" A very distressed BEVERLY ANN wails!!!!!
NATALIE suddenly walks in unexpectedly and babbles how she thinks TOOTIE and UGLY RUDY might be having sex right now, BEVERLY ANN then answers:
"let's not panic about this... Tootie is an adult, but then... so is Rudy!!!!"

TOOTIE then opens abruptly the entrance door, and when she tells everybody she blew it, NAT says to her that she has a right to change her mind, but BEVERLY ANN's tip is the best:
"Frank and i went through the same thing once he had his... other woman... I said to myself, don't worry... he'll come back!"
TOOTIE frowns and answers: "But he didn't come back!"
But our 'eccentric short haired blond' doesn't give up: "okay, we can still learn from it! Sometimes, they don't come back! (ha ha ha lol!):cheers:

The bell unexpectedly rings, and a very happy TOOTIE says: "he does love me!" She then waves her friends off to have some privacy with her Beau (who as it turns out only came back to collect the books he forgot).

We then see a HEARTBROKEN TOOTIE close the door: BEVERLY ANN magically appears, and they have their first 'heart to heart' talk!!!!
"Congratulations on becoming a woman":loveya:

THE END.....

Another great episode, and BEVERLY ANN was simply the best!!!:beeutiful

popcorn:popcorn

Another review!! Yay! :clap:

I like Ready or Not but have to disagree that Tootie was no POD here. I think she was kind of cold to Beverly Ann because she was still so new living there with them.

You'll notice in the next few episodes the other girls are kind of cold towards her too in the beginning not letting her into their circle until well into the season. I don't think Tootie was a POD through the entire series---except for one time when she got all spastic about her damn camera that Natalie borrowed for her Florida trip. :lol:

"Ugly Rudy"! Aw lol....I shouldn't laugh but it's funny how you called him that all through your review. I don't think he's ugly, but he does look a little too young. I think Tootie was supposed to be 17 here, so I guess he looks that age, but he has a baby face that makes him look 12 lol. I'll put a pic at the end of this post.

I do agree he doesn't seem to be Tootie's type and he's a big difference from her real boyfriend Jeff, who looked like a college guy while Rudy looks like he's still in Junior High School. :lol:

You notice how Beverly Ann seems to want to be "one of the girls" but you can see she's still afraid of overstepping her boundaries and offending them. But to her, after reading Mrs. G's letters over the years, they're already her girls too....but to the girls, she's still pretty much a stranger.

I think Beverly Ann is the best part of season 8 and I liked seeing how she slowly became close with the girls and by season 9, she was finally one of them. :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

Here's a pic of "Ugly Rudy" on the couch with Tootie. I think he looks ok...but I remember thinking that his acting wasn't all that great and i'm glad she wound up with Jeff in the end! :heart::love:

valentina warner

07-11-2020, 07:14 PM

Another review!! Yay!

I like Ready or Not but have to disagree that Tootie was no POD here. I think she was kind of cold to Beverly Ann because she was still so new living there with them.

You'll notice in the next few episodes the other girls are kind of cold towards her too in the beginning not letting her into their circle until well into the season. I don't think Tootie was a POD through the entire series---except for one time when she got all spastic about her damn camera that Natalie borrowed for her Florida trip.

"Ugly Rudy"! Aw lol....I shouldn't laugh but it's funny how you called him that all through your review. I don't think he's ugly, but he does look a little too young. I think Tootie was supposed to be 17 here, so I guess he looks that age, but he has a baby face that makes him look 12 lol. I'll put a pic at the end of this post.

I do agree he doesn't seem to be Tootie's type and he's a big difference from her real boyfriend Jeff, who looked like a college guy while Rudy looks like he's still in Junior High School.

You notice how Beverly Ann seems to want to be "one of the girls" but you can see she's still afraid of overstepping her boundaries and offending them. But to her, after reading Mrs. G's letters over the years, they're already her girls too....but to the girls, she's still pretty much a stranger.

I think Beverly Ann is the best part of season 8 and I liked seeing how she slowly became close with the girls and by season 9, she was finally one of them.

Here's a pic of "Ugly Rudy" on the couch with Tootie. I think he looks ok...but I remember thinking that his acting wasn't all that great and i'm glad she wound up with Jeff in the end! :

Hello again cfr1970 and thank you for being the ONLY one (so far) to comment on my reviews!!!!:birthday::birthday:

Just to clarify the girl's age: TOOTIE was already 18 years old (remember she's in college now, and like she says to BEVERLY ANN, an adult), NAT was 19 years old & JO/BLAIR 22 years old.

As for TOOTIE, she might not exactly being a POD, but i didn't like her attitude at all towards NATALIE: you don't exclude a best friend like that, and if someone says to me all those hurtful things she said to NATALIE i would have been very upset!!!!:crybaby::crybaby:

I can understand TOOTIE's attitude towards BEVERLY ANN more (after all she's a stranger) but not towards NAT, sorry....

In fact, i decided now that my favourites in order from now on (now that MRS G is away) are the following:

1. BLAIR will always be my number one (i can't help having a soft spot for the girl with 'the golden heart')
2. NATALIE/BEVERLY ANN (i can't decide cos they both absolutely cheer me up!)
3. JO: she has softened up towards BLAIR (although sometimes i miss her 'old BRONX GIRL' attitude towards SNOBBISH BLAIR from season 2)
4. TOOTIE (sorry, but i liked her a lot more when she was just a kid.).
.:meangya::meangya:

The older TOOTIE gets, the more stuck up she seems: remember how in BLAIR's 2001 dream she told BLAIR that she never developed her artistic talents and that it was too late?????:nonono:

As for RUDY, it's not his baby face that bothers me: i just find him plain UGLY!!!! In fact, TOOTIE's big brother from college was the most handsome black guy of them all wow! (remember on one episode in season 4 'Let's party' how hot he was??? I remember looking at him thinking "i wish i had a brother like that!"):ladiesman:ladiesman

Whats more: i'm glad BEVERLY ANN will eventually become one of the group soon enough (just the fact that she's is MRS G's sister has me warming up towards her!).:grouphug::grouphug:

PS: i still find myself missing our 'feisty red haired' tough!!!! (i'm only going to be able to call her that in my stories now):crysoup::crysoup:

:violin::violin:

cfr1970

07-11-2020, 08:03 PM

Hello again cfr1970 and thank you for being the ONLY one (so far) to comment on my reviews!!!!

Just to clarify the girl's age: TOOTIE was already 18 years old (remember she's in college now, and like she says to BEVERLY ANN, an adult), NAT was 19 years old & JO/BLAIR 22 years old.

As for TOOTIE, she might not exactly being a POD, but i didn't like her attitude at all towards NATALIE: you don't exclude a best friend like that, and if someone says to me all those hurtful things she said to NATALIE i would have been very upset!!!!

I can understand TOOTIE's attitude towards BEVERLY ANN more (after all she's a stranger) but not towards NAT, sorry....

In fact, i decided now that my favourites in order from now on (now that MRS G is away) are the following:

1. BLAIR will always be my number one (i can't help having a soft spot for the girl with 'the golden heart')
2. NATALIE/BEVERLY ANN (i can't decide cos they both absolutely cheer me up!)
3. JO: she has softened up towards BLAIR (although sometimes i miss her 'old BRONX GIRL' attitude towards SNOBBISH BLAIR from season 2)
4. TOOTIE (sorry, but i liked her a lot more when she was just a kid.).

The older TOOTIE gets, the more stuck up she seems: remember how in BLAIR's 2001 dream she told BLAIR that she never developed her artistic talents and that it was too late?????

As for RUDY, it's not his baby face that bothers me: i just find him plain UGLY!!!! In fact, TOOTIE's big brother from college was the most handsome black guy of them all wow! (remember on one episode in season 4 'Let's party' how hot he was??? I remember looking at him thinking "i wish i had a brother like that!")

Whats more: i'm glad BEVERLY ANN will eventually become one of the group soon enough (just the fact that she's is MRS G's sister has me warming up towards her!).:grouphug::grouphug:

PS: i still find myself missing our 'feisty red haired' tough!!!! (i'm only going to be able to call her that in my stories now):crysoup::crysoup:

:violin::violin:

This board seemed to have quieted down lately hasn't it? Hopefully more will reply to your reviews. Believe me I know how much energy is put into them!! :lol::wave:

Aw, Tootie's now your least favorite? :crybaby:

I don't think she's stuck up but you do have a point where she's kind of wrong for not sharing her potential first time with Natalie. Remember when Natalie did it and she couldn't wait to tell Tootie when she got home? Then they stayed up all night talking about it on the bed.

So Natalie was the better friend where it came to that. I don't know why Tootie felt she couldn't talk to Nat about what she was almost planning to do. I'd say perhaps she felt that Natalie would try and talk her out of it, but we all know Natalie is the adventurous free spirit when it comes to sex and would've probably cheered her on!:lol:

I do remember Tootie was a stuck up snob in Blair's 2000 dream, but we can't fault her for that since it was a dream and not her! :crazy:

If you think Tootie's brother is hot, why would you want him for a brother? Then it would be incest! :lol:

I'm glad that you're liking Beverly Ann!! I wasn't expecting to like her when I started season 8, but fell in love with her quickly. :heart::heart:

valentina warner

07-11-2020, 08:31 PM

This board seemed to have quieted down lately hasn't it? Hopefully more will reply to your reviews. Believe me I know how much energy is put into them!!

Aw, Tootie's now your least favorite?

I don't think she's stuck up but you do have a point where she's kind of wrong for not sharing her potential first time with Natalie. Remember when Natalie did it and she couldn't wait to tell Tootie when she got home? Then they stayed up all night talking about it on the bed.

So Natalie was the better friend where it came to that. I don't know why Tootie felt she couldn't talk to Nat about what she was almost planning to do. I'd say perhaps she felt that Natalie would try and talk her out of it, but we all know Natalie is the adventurous free spirit when it comes to sex and would've probably cheered her on!

I do remember Tootie was a stuck up snob in Blair's 2000 dream, but we can't fault her for that since it was a dream and not her!

If you think Tootie's brother is hot, why would you want him for a brother? Then it would be incest!

I'm glad that you're liking Beverly Ann!! I wasn't expecting to like her when I started season 8, but fell in love with her quickly.

Please don't cry cfr1970!!!!!:baby::baby::baby:

I might still change my mind about TOOTIE as the season goes on, and have maybe JO at the bottom sometimes???? (never BLAIR though ha ha!):brent:brent:brent

About TOOTIE's brother: i should have said i wanted him as a date (rather than a brother hee hee!) Me incest?????:rofl::rofl:

PS: i think this thread as quiet down but not others (remember some of them have their exclusive 'Lost girls' thread?)party:party

And yes, i DO put much effort on the reviews and hope that Christopher might read them sometimes: hello, anybody home?????patriot:patriot

phone:phone:phone:

Lorimar Television

07-11-2020, 09:54 PM

Haha I will def comment on TLC ;)

Lorimar Television

07-11-2020, 10:26 PM

Btw will you be reviewing Reba today, CFR?

cfr1970

07-12-2020, 12:51 AM

Btw will you be reviewing Reba today, CFR?

I watched 4 episodes tonight and commented over on the Reba board. :wave:

cfr1970

07-12-2020, 12:59 AM

Please don't cry cfr1970!!!!!

I might still change my mind about TOOTIE as the season goes on, and have maybe JO at the bottom sometimes???? (never BLAIR though ha ha!):brent:brent:brent

About TOOTIE's brother: i should have said i wanted him as a date (rather than a brother hee hee!) Me incest?????:rofl::rofl:

PS: i think this thread as quiet down but not others (remember some of them have their exclusive 'Lost girls' thread?)party:party

And yes, i DO put much effort on the reviews and hope that Christopher might read them sometimes: hello, anybody home?????patriot:patriot

phone:phone:phone:

As the season goes on I think you will move Jo towards the bottom. The episode where she wants to marry the immigrant to keep him in the country is a stinker imo. puke::barf:

I can't wait till you see "Write & Wrong" where Natalie is a POD---but then in "Post Christmas Card" she goes nuts with a credit card and I enjoyed that one a lot.

And then there's "62 Pick up" which I really loved and can't wait till you get to that one! It's a really fun episode.

Then at the end of the season "This is Only a Test" I really can't wait to see if you get upset with Blair for being a big huge POD in that episode. OMG I almost hated her in that one. :angryfire:angryfire:angryfire

valentina warner

07-12-2020, 04:10 PM

ANOTHER ROOM

It's BEVERLY ANN (again) entering inside the girl's room pretending to make their beds: she start doing some 'waltzing' with the bed sheets, until a VERY GRUMPY JO walks into her room, give our 'eccentric short blond haired' a "don't bother me " look, and trying a smile, BEVERLY ANN just says,
"It's always good to put some fun in the work, otherwise life is meaningless and empty....." (ha ha ha lol!):beeutiful:beeutiful

Seeing no reply coming from a GRUMPY JO, our 'eccentric short blond haired' asks her how her day was, and our 'Bronx girl' barks: "my day started yesterday, and i'm now to tired to do more studying. I'm actually trying to take a nap before the others come."
BEVERLY ANN then says: "i know what you mean, and to be honest i don't know how you girls can sleep in the same room with so much noise."
JO sights and says: "i know, and the older we get, the harder it seems!"
BEVERLY ANN has the best answer then: "the older you get, the worst everything gets!":cheers:

JO then blurts: "to be honest, i have been thinking about getting a place of my own."
And BEVERLY ANN is: "oh god, i didn't think it was so bad, although a room can be suffocating!"
She then stomps out of the room holding her neck, pretending to be unable to breathe and a very astonished JO stares at her, wondering if our 'eccentric short blond haired' had gone ballistic!!!!:brent

But, just when JO is ready to take her nap, BEVERLY ANN comes back almost immediately very hyper and tells her how she forgot her bed sheets, walks towards the other beds, then over JO who snaps at her: "great! Just take me with the bed sheets!"
And this is just what our 'eccentric short blond haired' does: she tries to grab the bed sheets were our 'Bronx girl' is lying, knocking her over and then says in a very hyper voice:
"well, since you're awake, how would you like me to read you the letter EDNA wrote from Africa? She's talking about a sewing machine, and i was just wondering where it could be?"
A now very IRRITATED JO rolls her eyes, and says to her:
"why don't you try looking in the attic? Now would be a good time!"
BEVERLY ANN finally seems to get the message, says now its good, walks towards the door, and before closing it, she yells happily to JO:
"Sweet dreams!!!!":rofl:

GRUMPY JO is destined not to get her rest though: NATALIE walks into the room with her walkman on, starts to dance completely unaware of the 'Bronx' who then snaps at her, TOOTIE walks inside the room as next, and NAT says to her to keep it quiet, because their BAD TEMPERED roommate (she didn't quite say it so, but close to it) is trying to get some sleep....
To make matters worse, BLAIR walks in asking in a very low voice, "why is everyone whispering"
And then GRUMPY JO replies: "because if you don't shut up, someone is going to die!"
That doesn't seem to bother BLAIR at all, who then she continues:
"that is so selfish of you Jo! What if someone is trying to have an important conversation?":rotflmao:

Then something really hilarious happens: BLAIR tries to tiptoes not to disturb GRUMPY JO, she opens the ironing board very carefully but the whole thing falls on the floor! (ha ha ha lol you should have seen how she cringed!)
A very IRRITATED JO shoots daggers at BLAIR (probably ready to punch her lights out ha ha ha!) and then blurts:
"that's it! I've made up my mind!"
BLAIR asks: "you're finally gonna streak your hair?" (ha ha ha don't you just love her????)

But then JO gets really serious, and announces her 3 best friends how she's decided to MOVE OUT, that she's had enough and that if she stays they're all gonna finish hating each other etc....
She then says she needs to get dressed, finds the blouse she was going to wear in BLAIR's hand, but when she want to grab it the blouse rips, and just in the worst moment, BEVERLY ANN walks in, exclaiming:
"I finally found the sewing machine but she needs help with it"

BLAIR nicely says to our 'eccentric short blond haired', how this isn't the right time, but an even nicer NAT replies that she will most definitely help, TOOTIE follows and then BLAIR replies before leaving the room: "and i'll just watch!"

TOOTIE then apparently changes her mind: she walks towards GRUMPY JO who is still sulking in her bed, and says to her how when she gets mad the only thing that helps is to write down a letter to the person she's angry with (only never to post it) and then she'd have the satisfaction in knowing how the person addressed would feel if she had the nerve to post it....
An even more ANGERED JO just replies to SWEET TOOTIE: "get out!"
But then our 'baby of the group' knows by now that JO doesn't really bite but just barks, and replies: "i guess that's the direct answer!" (ha ha ha bravo LITTLE TOOTIE!!!!)party:

We then focus on a more RELAXED JO, talking on the phone: BEVERLY ANN happens to overhear the conversation (she's everywhere as usual ha ha!) she then opens the door and says:
"i couldn't help overhearing. That's what happens when i eavesdrop!" (ha ha ha lol!) you're MOVING OUT?"
JO then actually smiles (oh my god what happened to that girl!) and says: "it's alright Beverly Ann. I was just talking to some guy about a room."
Our 'eccentric short blond haired' replies:"why don't we talk like sisters? Of varying ages?" (ha ha ha she totally cracks me up lol!)
JO just gives her a questioning look, but then nods, and here begins their first 'heart to heart' talk......

Then the funniest thing happens: BLAIR falls from the attic wall (while eavesdropping) and into the bed where JO and BEVERLY ANN were having their 'heart to heart' talk, then our 'Bronx girl' exclaims:
"that's it! Now i'm definitely moving out!"
NAT & TOOTIE try to convince her, how moving out isn't always that great (remember our 2 youngsters had some experience with it?) and then, a very
SMART BEVERLY ANN blurts out how this time she has wonderful idea (one of BLAIR's wonderful ideas ha ha ha!) and says to JO:
"why don't you move into the attic?"
A very SUSPICIOUS JO then exclaims: "what??? No way!!!!"
Our 'eccentric short blond haired' doesn't give up though:
"don't think of attic, thinks of art and Champs Ellysees! croissants!" (congratulations lady!!!!):birthday:

TOOTIE and NAT immediately LOVE the idea, and our 'baby of the group' even says: "come on Jo! We're a team!"
BEVERLY ANN seem to be getting emotional here: she says to JO in a very moved voice "come on Jo, these girls know you too well... and on another tone... you don't know me well enough to leave yet....."
JO softens, she relents, and a very relieved BEVERLY ANN exclaims:
"thank god for that! Edna would have killed me!":grouphug:

BLAIR is magnificent though: she walks towards the beds and says how she wants to fix the room for JO & her, and 2 VERY SUSPICIOUS TOOTIE & NAT reply: "who says we are the ones moving into the attic?"
BLAIR's answer is more than hilarious: "well, since you're already in there, and JO & i are the oldest?" (ha ha ha what a clever chick!)
Our 2 youngest ones finally relents, and a very happy TOOTIE says: "we're all in this! The '4 musketeers'! (not quite but almost).
BLAIR then smiles and asks in a very casual voice: "how soon can you move?" (isn't she just wonderful????)

Then we FINALLY (not really) focus on URCHIN ANDY having a moment with BEVERLY ANN: she is trying to sew his ripped pants and begins to tell her an old story, the REBEL PRE TEENAGER rolls his eyes and asks her if it's a long story.
Our 'eccentric blond short haired' then orders him to put the stove on, but REBEL URCHIN replies: "not on your life!"
BEVERLY ANN then shows her authority and says: "i think i see wholes in those pants!" (well done Bev! Just send BABY URCHIN to bed and tell him to shut up!!!!)
BABY URCHIN stares at our 'eccentric short blond haired' in disbelief, and shaking his head he replies: "Mrs Garret was never that aggressive!" (ha ha ha lol!):banana:

URCHIN exits very scared, JO walks into the living room to chat with BEVERLY ANN about the cost of the revamp of the room, how she couldn't get a student loan etc...And then we see TOOTIE and NAT come downstairs with a carpenter they chose themselves, planning to have their attic redone like Barbara Streisand room (very good taste girls, but expensive! hello????)
GRUMPY JO asks the guy if he can do that for a decent price, and when he blurts out: "yes, for 16.00000" our 'Bronx girl' almost has a fit!!!!!
The carpenter then says that he can slim it down to 4.000 and they all agree!!! (all except JO who still has money trouble).....

The next scene then focus on the 3 girls upstairs (minus JO) and the carpenter starting his revamp on the attic, JO then suddenly walks into the room and BLAIR asks her to help her move the bed, so the carpenter can also start working on revamping their room etc....
Unfortunately things aren't looking too rosy for our 'Bronx girl' when she tells BLAIR that she didn't get the loan she was hoping for, but our 'girl with the golden heart' doesn't give up though: she sits next to JO and tries to approach her,
Blair: "Jo, how long have we been 'best friends'?"
GRUMPY JO almost growls
Blair: "good friends?'
GRUMPY JO raises an eyebrow
Blair: "friendlier?"
GRUMPY JO nods
Blair: "and since we have this friendliness going for 7 years, i'v been willing to loan you 1.000 dollars for the room.":love:

JO is too proud to give in though, so she declines and says she'll get the money somehow; BLAIR says she'll try to slow down the carpenter in order to help etc.....
Once BLAIR is out of the room, we see JO grab her helmet and walk over the phone to make a deal out of it: she wants to sell her whole motorcycle equipment!!!!!

BEVERLY ANN (once again) happens to overhear JO selling her motorcycle over the phone, and once the 'Bronx girl' is out of sight, she then tells BLAIR about it!!!!!
But BLAIR doesn't believe our 'eccentric short blond haired' and simply replies to her:
"let me tell you something about Jo and her helmet Beverly Ann, she took her bike out on her first date, she polishes it every day. They're both inseparable like 'butter and jelly".
BEVERLY ANN then babbles more, the phone rings, and when she exits the room to leave BLAIR some privacy, our 'girl with the golden heart' realizes that she was telling the truth all the time, and that JO really is selling her motorcycle helmet......

Then for the last and sweetest/heart warming scene: we see a DEFEATED JO enter in the room (i think by now she must have sold her helmet), BLAIR asks her where she was, JO tells her it's none of her business and walks towards her bed (only it isn't her bed, but BLAIR's!) then frowning she asks our 'girl with the golden heart' where her bed is, in which she replies:
"By the window!"
JO frowns and says: "i thought you wanted the bed by the window?" (which is normally the spacious part of the room).
Blair: "I changed my mind."
Jo: "why?"
Blair: "none of your business."
But thenBLAIR smiles at JO and visa versa (isn't our 'girl with the golden heart' just the best????):bighug:

THE END......

Another great chapter with our 'Core of 4' and our new member BEVERLY ANN!!!!

:typing::typing:

Christopher

07-13-2020, 07:49 AM

Hello again cfr1970 and thank you for being the ONLY one (so far) to comment on my reviews!!!!:birthday::birthday:

I'm sorry Valentina. I didn't know you were already reviewing to season 8. I''ll start checking this thread more regularly now :) :bighug:

Christopher

07-13-2020, 08:12 AM

As NATALIE reminisces, we see JO enter the living room after summer vacation, and noticing the absence of MRS G right away, she walks towards TOOTIE (who we all know is a 'gossip queen') for answers:
"Tootie What do you know?"
Of course after feigning innocence, the baby of the group blurts out everything she knows: as it turns out, their guardian and longtime friend has got a boyfriend and by the tone of TOOTIE's voice it is quite serious!

I like this scene. It really shows how Tootie gets the 411, or tea as young people call it today ohno: , when she wants to.

Unfortunately, MRS G's date with her new flame turns into a disaster when he proposes her to marry him and move to Africa with him: the first thing that comes into the motherly woman are her 4 girls! How can she leave them after all these years of forming such a close bond with them; it's obvious how emotionally attached she is to them. After all, she has watched them grow up from young teenage girls into young adults in the 7 years she lived with them, and to her, and it's understandable that she loves them as if they were her flesh and blood......

They all grew up together. That's one of the things about this show that I like. It shows that friends can be family and have those feelings without the sharing of blood. Mrs. Garrett was heartbroken to leave her girls. But she was leaving for a better life with a man who truly loved her.

MRS G turns down BRUCE's proposal, and while she is taking a snooze in the comfy living room sofa, she falls into a deep sleep, and has the worst nightmare ever: BLAIR has just confessed of murdering her, to stop her from making more quiches!

:lol: It wasn't quiches girl, it was cookies! :p

Just before she wakes up from that weird and horrible nightmare, MRS G tries to make herself heard, claiming that her life had meaning, how she helped everyone and cannot just die like that, and screaming at the top of her lungs, she scares the girls who then rush up to her to see what was all the yelling about!

I like Natalie's response, "You're having a nightmare or gas or something" :lol: Who screams in their sleep from having gas? :crazy: That was a best response though.

Meanwhile and right on schedule, we see BLAIR busy on the phone trying to get a licence for MRS G's wedding, and when she cannot get results right away she panics and speaks from the heart:
"she's more than a housemother or a friend, her name is Mrs Garret, and i don't know what i'll do without her, have a heart!"
Words spoken from the heart indeed, and you can feel her pain in losing the one person who has been a real mother to her (she didn't quite say it that way, but that exactly what she was hinting at when she says that MRS G is more than a friend to her)

MRS G then walks into the living room, and a very excited BLAIR tells her that everything is under control and that there will be a wedding as planned!

The next moment is a very heart warming one, when MRS G tells her girls how special they all are to her, how much she enjoyed caring for them all these years, and that they will always be in her heart:
"i hope you felt love because you were, very much! And you always will!"
If you watch closely, you'll notice that BLAIR is the one who was most moved: the expression in her face says how much she will miss the one person who has always been there for her in the good and bad times

I like how touching they made the packing scene. You can tell how much Mrs. Garrett means to the girls. Their whole purpose that day is helping Mrs. Garrett start her new adventure. They are selfless in this episode. Now if this was written in season 9, they'd be like "sorry bitch, you're on your own. I got my shelter, my own wedding plans, having sex and making a big deal about it, or getting in a wreck and worrying about having this invisible scar that's suppose to ruin my life." ohno: :crazy: So glad the writers got season 8 right for Mrs. Garrett's departure.

As predicted, BEVERLY ANN turns out to be lots of laugh and very different from her sister MRS G: the one thing they both share though is their heart! The great capacity for loving without waiting anything in return, and also their capacity to forgive no matter what!

With the direction the show went in the later years, I felt Beverly Ann fit perfectly in the show. She wasn't serious and just wanted to be laughs for the girls. I'm glad she was written different than Mrs. Garrett because having a copycat character that replaces the original is a waste watching.

BEVERLY ANN then puts her arms lovingly behind BLAIR and NATALIE's shoulders, and says how she and her husband FRANK never had any sex (i'm sure she meant for a long time they hadn't) and therefore couldn't have any children! (Ha ha ha our 'eccentric short blond haired' is hilarious, and BLAIR & NAT's face even so!).

No, she meant they didn't have sex in their marriage. It was a totally bizarre response to not having kids and unexpected :lol: That's what I like about Beverly Ann in season 8. You never knew what was going to come out of her mouth.

"I can't do it! I can't jump!"
But the funny part i just love, is when TOOTIE starts singing and JO asks her what she's doing the dialogue between them is hilarious:
Jo: "why are you singing?"
Tootie: "i always sing when i'm scared, what do you do?"
Jo: "i hit people!"

Quite possibly the best Jo / Tootie scene in the series. I laugh so hard each time I watch that.

Now it's BLAIR's turn and the most crucial one: you see how difficult is it for MRS G to say goodbye to her most difficult girl, and i know we agree on that one Christopher, but when she lingers with BLAIR a lot longer as with the others,

Yes she lingers, but I took it as it was hard for her to get the right words. While it may seem like it was for laughs, what she said showed it wasn't some random speech and it comes from her heart.

I don't have time to respond to your other reviews but I will as soon as I can. Season 8 is a strong season and a lot better than 7 and 9 of the Over Our Heads years :dance:

FOL-FAN-ITA

07-13-2020, 02:50 PM

So you got the 8th season, Valentina! Wonderful! Season 8 is one of the best seasons of the show. I know Mrs. Garrett is absent but the writing is very strong

valentina warner

07-13-2020, 08:02 PM

I like this scene. It really shows how Tootie gets the 411, or tea as young people call it today ohno: , when she wants to.

They all grew up together. That's one of the things about this show that I like. It shows that friends can be family and have those feelings without the sharing of blood. Mrs. Garrett was heartbroken to leave her girls. But she was leaving for a better life with a man who truly loved her.

:lol: It wasn't quiches girl, it was cookies! :p

I like Natalie's response, "You're having a nightmare or gas or something" :lol: Who screams in their sleep from having gas? That was a best response though.

I like how touching they made the packing scene. You can tell how much Mrs. Garrett means to the girls. Their whole purpose that day is helping Mrs. Garrett start her new adventure. They are selfless in this episode. Now if this was written in season 9, they'd be like "sorry bitch, you're on your own. I got my shelter, my own wedding plans, having sex and making a big deal about it, or getting in a wreck and worrying about having this invisible scar that's suppose to ruin my life." So glad the writers got season 8 right for Mrs. Garrett's departure.

With the direction the show went in the later years, I felt Beverly Ann fit perfectly in the show. She wasn't serious and just wanted to be laughs for the girls. I'm glad she was written different than Mrs. Garrett because having a copycat character that replaces the original is a waste watching.

No, she meant they didn't have sex in their marriage. It was a totally bizarre response to not having kids and unexpected :lol: That's what I like about Beverly Ann in season 8. You never knew what was going to come out of her mouth.

Quite possibly the best Jo / Tootie scene in the series. I laugh so hard each time I watch that.

Yes she lingers, but I took it as it was hard for her to get the right words. While it may seem like it was for laughs, what she said showed it wasn't some random speech and it comes from her heart.

I don't have time to respond to your other reviews but I will as soon as I can. Season 8 is a strong season and a lot better than 7 and 9 of the Over Our Heads years

Yes: i truly believe that BLAIR was MRS G's special girl (no matter what other fans might say)....:loveya::loveya::loveya:

Thank you for reading and commenting on my reviews Christopher: i know u & cfr1970 are my faithful followers!!!!:cheers::cheers:

Tomorrow i'll continue with my posts on season 8, and just for the record: i love this season and especially how much effort BEVERLY ANN puts on the girls! (she's truly unbelievable!!!!):bighug::bighug:

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

cfr1970

07-14-2020, 10:36 AM

Yes: i truly believe that BLAIR was MRS G's special girl (no matter what other fans might say)....:loveya::loveya::loveya:

Thank you for reading and commenting on my reviews Christopher: i know u & cfr1970 are my faithful followers!!!!:cheers::cheers:

Tomorrow i'll continue with my posts on season 8, and just for the record: i love this season and especially how much effort BEVERLY ANN puts on the girls! (she's truly unbelievable!!!!):bighug::bighug:

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

I'm really glad that you're liking Beverly Ann as much as I did when I watched season 8. I was totally expecting to hate her and trash her in my reviews, but I just couldn't because she was so sweet and I also loved her bitter streak.

valentina warner

07-14-2020, 01:47 PM

OFF-BROADWAY BABY

Our talented BEVERLY ANN is playing the piano for TOOTIE (who has been selected to audition for a song in Broadway): 'our 'eccentric short haired blond' seems to know the lyrics for 'two of heart' more than our 'baby of the group' hee hee hee!!!!!!:guitar:

TOOTIE is getting more and more nervous, and glancing at URCHIN ANDY (who happens to be in the living room) she asks his opinion, in which he smartly replies "hey you've been for auditions before, haven't you?"
Tootie: "yes, but never in Broadway!!!!"
And of course of wise BEVERLY ANN tries to cheer up our 'baby of the group' by telling her to have fun and see the whole thing as a new adventure!!!! (bravo woman!!!!):clap

We then see BLAIR & JO coming downstairs arguing sweetly: our 'Bronx girl' insists on showing BEVERLY ANN the real New York (the Bronx, China town etc...) while our 'pampered princess with the golden heart' wants to spend it on shopping all day!!!!! (don't you just love when those 2 argue????):argue:

A very hyper BEVERLY ANN starts yelling NEW YORK NEW YORK, NATALIE then stomps into the living room to tell JO & BLAIR she won't be able to spend the day in town with them, cos she needs to write an article for the newspaper and go with her best friend TOOTIE to Broadway!!!! (isn't she adorable!!!!):grouphug

A still very NERVOUS TOOTIE continues to rehearse briefly with BEVERLY ANN, and then asks URCHIN to give his honest opinion: our 'pre teenage boy' stares at our STAR TOOTIE in a very intense and flirty way (i guess he still has his old crush on her hee hee hee!) and says in his best amateur way "Cut!" when TOOTIE starts singing, and frustrated she yells at him: "Andy!!!"
CHEEKY URCHIN just smiles lazily at the couple of years older teenager TOOTIE (she is still in her teens) and gives her a look that says "your mine baby!!!" (i guess pre teenage boys like to play big men hee hee hee!):ladiesman

We are now in the Broadway studios and a JULIE WALTERS lookalike (the red haired woman who walks in singing, is a spitting image of the British actress and you gotta believe it!!!!) walks into the studios singing at the top of her lungs (just as JULIE WALTERS did in MAMMA MIA ha ha!).
Then our 2 youngsters TOOTIE & NAT walk into the studios as next: our 'bubbly journalist' holds some kind of 'microphone/tape recorder' in her hands, and ask her best friend, "so what is your first impression?"
Tootie: "what is this place?????" (ha ha ha lol!)

Then we focus on a stage manager, walking towards a queue of 'wanna be actors', and get our first glimpse of STACEY Q (the real singer of 'two of hearts') as CINNAMON on the queue....
The stage manager & starts eliminating the 'wanna be actors' he feels are wrong for the song/part, TOOTIE & NAT then get on the queue, only to be told by JULIE WALTERS lookalike that the queue is right behind her.

A very EXCITED BEVERLY ANN walks into the studio as next, and spotting her 2 youngest immediately, she walks over them & asks: "have you been called to rehearse yet?"
In which TOOTIE replies: "not yet, we haven't even got our numbers."
Our 'eccentric short blond haired' then happily swirl about Broadway & how she remembers it used to be back then, but the UNFRIENDLY STAGE MANAGER says to her in a very unpleasant voice: "you! The one with the spiky hair! ADIOS!!!!" (thinking she's probably auditioning too) :rotflmao::rotflmao

TOOTIE & NAT ask our 'eccentric short haired blond' where JO & BLAIR are (they all came into BEVERLY ANN's caravan lol!) and she tells them that they looking for a parking nearby etc....

Our 2 best friends then walk towards the UNPLEASANT STAGE MANAGER to ask for a number (you need one for the audition), he tells them he needs a photo, NAT apologizes & says they don't have any, but TOOTIE doesn't loose hope, she takes one photo from her wallet & gives him a photo with NAT & her together at some amusement park: it works, & the STAGE MANAGER gives TOOTIE a number & tells her to wait for her turn when she gets call.
Both friends walk towards BEVERLY ANN & tell her that she should enjoy New York instead of spending the afternoon with them, and our 'eccentric short blond' accepts.

TOOTIE & NAT walk over to a seat, and our 'bubbly journalist' starts talking on her 'portable microphone' while our 'baby of the group' starts writing down some 'artist names' she thinks might get her the part:
"COCO CHANEL????" NAT says in disbelief when she sees the name list of her best friend, and when TOOTIE replies, "i need a name with character" NAT has the best answer: "she is French and she is death!!!!!":rofl:

CINNAMON (aka STACEY Q) joins TOOTIE & NAT, and starts babbling about how she chewed all her pens because she was so nervous and a wreck about the audition, and if they maybe can lent her one?
TOOTIE amiably says "Bon appetit!" while handing her the pen and here begins the introductions between our REAL STAR and the 2 best friends:
Stacey Q: "hi, i'm Cinnamon but it isn't my real name."
Nat: hi, this is my friend Ginger and i'm Glen Close!":brent:brent

While our 3 friends chat, they hear a number 20 get called (TOOTIE/GINGER & CINNAMON are only number 300 something) & then something really funny happens: as soon as MAN EATER NATALIE spots the hot guy (who happens to be number 20) she runs up to him!!!! (ha ha ha naughty NAT doesn't wanna miss her chance!!!!)

We then focus on JULIE WALTERS lookalike, who decides to join our 2 'wanna be' singers/actresses, but as it tuns out to be: she is a very SNOTTY RED HAIRED who doesn't like small talks at all!!!!!
So when CINNAMON starts babbling, JULIE WALTERS snaps at her: "do you mind? I'm trying to rehearse my part!"
We then see a SLIGHTLY HURT CINNAMON leave them, babbling how she should rehearse for her song too, and when TOOTIE tries to engage conversation, JULIE WALTERS lookalike goes to a far away seat & ignores her (talk about a rude lady!!!!!):soapbox

Then we focus on JO & BLAIR sitting in BEVERLY ANN's caravan talking, when suddenly our 'girl with the golden heart' says: "is that a new eau de cologne you're wearing, Jo?"
Our 'Bronx girl' frowns at her bestie, and then they get the answer: a white horse is standing right in front of the caravan/car, and a very angry police officer opens the door, and stepping inside her grumbles how this isn't a parking place etc.....
Then we see our 'eccentric short blond' hair make an entrance wearing a 'statue of the liberty' hat, and smiling the best she can, she tells the police officer to go easy on them, that there is nowhere else to park, and how she needs to be here for TOOTIE if she doesn't want to loose the friendship she is just beginning to build etc...
POLICE OFFICER then relents, but BLAIR opens her big mouth to make some very clumsy comment and screws the whole thing up, and they end up getting charged for a parking ticket!!!! (oops! DUMMY BLAIR lol!!!!!)

Back to the studio, TOOTIE and JULIE WALTERS lookalike are still sitting waiting for their number to be called: our 'baby of the group' is getting bored, but when she starts humming her song, NASTY JULIE WALTERS shoots daggers at her!!!!!
Getting the message, our 'baby of the group' leaves mumbling apologies (what's wrong with that SNOBBY RED HAIRED???? Does she thinks she owns the studio or what????).:wazzup

But then something really funny happens: as TOOTIE walks away mumbling to her song, she spots CINNAMON singing the exact same song (only 10 times better!) and feeling frustrated she looks out for NATALIE to asks her what she should do, that she has ONLY rehearse for this song and that maybe the wise thing would be to forget the whole thing and go back to Peeskills, to study for the verb " i give up" and cram for some other exams etc.....
NASTY/AMBITIOUS JULIE WALTERS overhears TOOTIE, and says: "so you're giving up already? I guess getting the part isn't important enough to you!"
TOOTIE then gets defensive and starts saying how she wants to get the part more than anything, but that CINNAMON is already singing the only song she knows etc.....
NASTY JULIE WALTERS then says to TOOTIE how she has to be professional about it, that being sensitive won't get her anywhere, and that when she tells CINNAMON to break her leg she should make sure she really does!!!! (what kind of monster is this RED HAIRED LADY lol!!!!!):eek2

We then very briefly focus on JO, BLAIR & BEVERLY ANN parked (again!) at the same spot they got ticketed before, and a very worried BLAIR says to JO how she fears this isn't such a good idea: what if the police officer catches them again, but our 'rebellious Bronx girl' says it is very unlikely it'll happen, only that when she wants to open the car door she comes face to face with exact same POLICE OFFICER!!!!!
Police officer: "surely you couldn't be parking in here a second time?"
Our 'eccentric short blond' tries to work her magic on POLICE OFFICER, and smiling warmly at him she says, "i knew you and i would be good friends!" (ha ha ha lol!)

Back at the studio again, a very desperate TOOTIE tells CINNAMON some crazy story about the cruel song that got the manager of the studio fall for an impossible love, and when a very GULLIBLE CINNAMON asks LIAR TOOTIE what the name of the song is, she blurts out 'two of hearts' making our REAL STAR STACEY Q drop out!!!!!!!

A very REPENTANT TOOTIE tells CINNAMON then the truth: how she auditioned for the same song and that she made up the whole story etc....
While they are talking though, CINNAMON's number gets called out 3 times, and too late to answer it she looses her chance!!!!!!

TOOTIE is now feeling very guilty and ends up doing the right thing after all: she hands CINNAMON her own number, claiming she isn't ready for Hollywood yet, but that STACEY Q definitely is!!!!!:loveya:

For the end credits, we finally see REAL SINGER STACEY Q sing the song that made her famous 'two of hearts' and the one i may say made me groove until i dropped back in 1986!!!!! (that was my favourite song then as a teeny!!!!!!):drummer:

We also spot a very caring moment before the end credits: TOOTIE is watching CINNAMON sing her song, BEVERLY ANN joins her and puts in a very loving way her arms around her shoulders, to show her how proud she is of the 'baby of the group' for acting so mature (just as proud as MRS G would be if she were here):bighug:

THE END.....

A good episode, but not as strong as the 4 first ones (although you'll be pleased to know i now have TOOTIE back on third placecfr1970 and JO right at the bottom) sorry JO FANS!!!!.
1.BLAIR
2.BEVERLY ANN/NAT
3.TOOTIE
and lastly
4.JO

PS: by the way i must disagree with you on that one cfr1970, NATALIE looks really hot with her red hair & slim figure!!!!!!

:cheers::cheers:

cfr1970

07-14-2020, 02:13 PM

OFF-BROADWAY BABY

Our talented BEVERLY ANN is playing the piano for TOOTIE (who has been selected to audition for a song in Broadway): 'our 'eccentric short haired blond' seems to know the lyrics for 'two of heart' more than our 'baby of the group' hee hee hee!!!!!!

TOOTIE is getting more and more nervous, and glancing at URCHIN ANDY (who happens to be in the living room) she asks his opinion, in which he smartly replies "hey you've been for auditions before, haven't you?"
Tootie: "yes, but never in Broadway!!!!"
And of course of wise BEVERLY ANN tries to cheer up our 'baby of the group' by telling her to have fun and see the whole thing as a new adventure!!!! (bravo woman!!!!)

We then see BLAIR & JO coming downstairs arguing sweetly: our 'Bronx girl' insists on showing BEVERLY ANN the real New York (the Bronx, China town etc...) while our 'pampered princess with the golden heart' wants to spend it on shopping all day!!!!! (don't you just love when those 2 argue????)

A very hyper BEVERLY ANN starts yelling NEW YORK NEW YORK, NATALIE then stomps into the living room to tell JO & BLAIR she won't be able to spend the day in town with them, cos she needs to write an article for the newspaper and go with her best friend TOOTIE to Broadway!!!! (isn't she adorable!!!!)

A still very NERVOUS TOOTIE continues to rehearse briefly with BEVERLY ANN, and then asks URCHIN to give his honest opinion: our 'pre teenage boy' stares at our STAR TOOTIE in a very intense and flirty way (i guess he still has his old crush on her hee hee hee!) and says in his best amateur way "Cut!" when TOOTIE starts singing, and frustrated she yells at him: "Andy!!!"
CHEEKY URCHIN just smiles lazily at the couple of years older teenager TOOTIE (she is still in her teens) and gives her a look that says "your mine baby!!!" (i guess pre teenage boys like to play big men hee hee hee!)

We are now in the Broadway studios and a JULIE WALTERS lookalike (the red haired woman who walks in singing, is a spitting image of the British actress and you gotta believe it!!!!) walks into the studios singing at the top of her lungs (just as JULIE WALTERS did in MAMMA MIA ha ha!).
Then our 2 youngsters TOOTIE & NAT walk into the studios as next: our 'bubbly journalist' holds some kind of 'microphone/tape recorder' in her hands, and ask her best friend, "so what is your first impression?"
Tootie: "what is this place?????" (ha ha ha lol!)

Then we focus on a stage manager, walking towards a queue of 'wanna be actors', and get our first glimpse of STACEY Q (the real singer of 'two of hearts') as CINNAMON on the queue....
The stage manager & starts eliminating the 'wanna be actors' he feels are wrong for the song/part, TOOTIE & NAT then get on the queue, only to be told by JULIE WALTERS lookalike that the queue is right behind her.

A very EXCITED BEVERLY ANN walks into the studio as next, and spotting her 2 youngest immediately, she walks over them & asks: "have you been called to rehearse yet?"
In which TOOTIE replies: "not yet, we haven't even got our numbers."
Our 'eccentric short blond haired' then happily swirl about Broadway & how she remembers it used to be back then, but the UNFRIENDLY STAGE MANAGER says to her in a very unpleasant voice: "you! The one with the spiky hair! ADIOS!!!!" (thinking she's probably auditioning too)

TOOTIE & NAT ask our 'eccentric short haired blond' where JO & BLAIR are (they all came into BEVERLY ANN's caravan lol!) and she tells them that they looking for a parking nearby etc....

Our 2 best friends then walk towards the UNPLEASANT STAGE MANAGER to ask for a number (you need one for the audition), he tells them he needs a photo, NAT apologizes & says they don't have any, but TOOTIE doesn't loose hope, she takes one photo from her wallet & gives him a photo with NAT & her together at some amusement park: it works, & the STAGE MANAGER gives TOOTIE a number & tells her to wait for her turn when she gets call.
Both friends walk towards BEVERLY ANN & tell her that she should enjoy New York instead of spending the afternoon with them, and our 'eccentric short blond' accepts.

TOOTIE & NAT walk over to a seat, and our 'bubbly journalist' starts talking on her 'portable microphone' while our 'baby of the group' starts writing down some 'artist names' she thinks might get her the part:
"COCO CHANEL????" NAT says in disbelief when she sees the name list of her best friend, and when TOOTIE replies, "i need a name with character" NAT has the best answer: "she is French and she is death!!!!!"

CINNAMON (aka STACEY Q) joins TOOTIE & NAT, and starts babbling about how she chewed all her pens because she was so nervous and a wreck about the audition, and if they maybe can lent her one?
TOOTIE amiably says "Bon appetit!" while handing her the pen and here begins the introductions between our REAL STAR and the 2 best friends:
Stacey Q: "hi, i'm Cinnamon but it isn't my real name."
Nat: hi, this is my friend Ginger and i'm Glen Close!":brent:brent

While our 3 friends chat, they hear a number 20 get called (TOOTIE/GINGER & CINNAMON are only number 300 something) & then something really funny happens: as soon as MAN EATER NATALIE spots the hot guy (who happens to be number 20) she runs up to him!!!! (ha ha ha naughty NAT doesn't wanna miss her chance!!!!)

We then focus on JULIE WALTERS lookalike, who decides to join our 2 'wanna be' singers/actresses, but as it tuns out to be: she is a very SNOTTY RED HAIRED who doesn't like small talks at all!!!!!
So when CINNAMON starts babbling, JULIE WALTERS snaps at her: "do you mind? I'm trying to rehearse my part!"
We then see a SLIGHTLY HURT CINNAMON leave them, babbling how she should rehearse for her song too, and when TOOTIE tries to engage conversation, JULIE WALTERS lookalike goes to a far away seat & ignores her (talk about a rude lady!!!!!):soapbox

Then we focus on JO & BLAIR sitting in BEVERLY ANN's caravan talking, when suddenly our 'girl with the golden heart' says: "is that a new eau de cologne you're wearing, Jo?"
Our 'Bronx girl' frowns at her bestie, and then they get the answer: a white horse is standing right in front of the caravan/car, and a very angry police officer opens the door, and stepping inside her grumbles how this isn't a parking place etc.....
Then we see our 'eccentric short blond' hair make an entrance wearing a 'statue of the liberty' hat, and smiling the best she can, she tells the police officer to go easy on them, that there is nowhere else to park, and how she needs to be here for TOOTIE if she doesn't want to loose the friendship she is just beginning to build etc...
POLICE OFFICER then relents, but BLAIR opens her big mouth to make some very clumsy comment and screws the whole thing up, and they end up getting charged for a parking ticket!!!! (oops! DUMMY BLAIR lol!!!!!)

Back to the studio, TOOTIE and JULIE WALTERS lookalike are still sitting waiting for their number to be called: our 'baby of the group' is getting bored, but when she starts humming her song, NASTY JULIE WALTERS shoots daggers at her!!!!!
Getting the message, our 'baby of the group' leaves mumbling apologies (what's wrong with that SNOBBY RED HAIRED???? Does she thinks she owns the studio or what????).:wazzup

But then something really funny happens: as TOOTIE walks away mumbling to her song, she spots CINNAMON singing the exact same song (only 10 times better!) and feeling frustrated she looks out for NATALIE to asks her what she should do, that she has ONLY rehearse for this song and that maybe the wise thing would be to forget the whole thing and go back to Peeskills, to study for the verb " i give up" and cram for some other exams etc.....
NASTY/AMBITIOUS JULIE WALTERS overhears TOOTIE, and says: "so you're giving up already? I guess getting the part isn't important enough to you!"
TOOTIE then gets defensive and starts saying how she wants to get the part more than anything, but that CINNAMON is already singing the only song she knows etc.....
NASTY JULIE WALTERS then says to TOOTIE how she has to be professional about it, that being sensitive won't get her anywhere, and that when she tells CINNAMON to break her leg she should make sure she really does!!!! (what kind of monster is this RED HAIRED LADY lol!!!!!):eek2

We then very briefly focus on JO, BLAIR & BEVERLY ANN parked (again!) at the same spot they got ticketed before, and a very worried BLAIR says to JO how she fears this isn't such a good idea: what if the police officer catches them again, but our 'rebellious Bronx girl' says it is very unlikely it'll happen, only that when she wants to open the car door she comes face to face with exact same POLICE OFFICER!!!!!
Police officer: "surely you couldn't be parking in here a second time?"
Our 'eccentric short blond' tries to work her magic on POLICE OFFICER, and smiling warmly at him she says, "i knew you and i would be good friends!" (ha ha ha lol!)

Back at the studio again, a very desperate TOOTIE tells CINNAMON some crazy story about the cruel song that got the manager of the studio fall for an impossible love, and when a very GULLIBLE CINNAMON asks LIAR TOOTIE what the name of the song is, she blurts out 'two of hearts' making our REAL STAR STACEY Q drop out!!!!!!!

A very REPENTANT TOOTIE tells CINNAMON then the truth: how she auditioned for the same song and that she made up the whole story etc....
While they are talking though, CINNAMON's number gets called out 3 times, and too late to answer it she looses her chance!!!!!!

TOOTIE is now feeling very guilty and ends up doing the right thing after all: she hands CINNAMON her own number, claiming she isn't ready for Hollywood yet, but that STACEY Q definitely is!!!!!:loveya:

For the end credits, we finally see REAL SINGER STACEY Q sing the song that made her famous 'two of hearts' and the one i may say made me groove until i dropped back in 1986!!!!! (that was my favourite song then as a teeny!!!!!!):drummer:

We also spot a very caring moment before the end credits: TOOTIE is watching CINNAMON sing her song, BEVERLY ANN joins her and puts in a very loving way her arms around her shoulders, to show her how proud she is of the 'baby of the group' for acting so mature (just as proud as MRS G would be if she were here):bighug:

THE END.....

A good episode, but not as strong as the 4 first ones (although you'll be pleased to know i now have TOOTIE back on third placecfr1970 and JO right at the bottom) sorry JO FANS!!!!.
1.BLAIR
2.BEVERLY ANN/NAT
3.TOOTIE
and lastly
4.JO

PS: by the way i must disagree with you on that one cfr1970, NATALIE looks really hot with her red hair & slim figure!!!!!!

:cheers::cheers:

I'm glad that you're enjoying season 8! This was a fun episode and I love how Tootie gave her number to Cinnamon in the end and did the right thing. You know that's some of Mrs. G's influence there! :heart:

I'm glad you bumped Tootie up a notch and dropped Jo down...in the later seasons, Jo just became a whole different person....and a woman. :lol: I think I prefer Angry Man Jo better.

One thing about this episode that bothered me was how unbelievable it was that Tootie goes to a Broadway audition and doesn't bring an 8x10 picture to give. She's so obsessed with acting, I don't think she'd forget something that important and would have a huge portfolio with her.

I will half agree with you on Natalie---her slimmer figure looked great on her, but that red hair was a big no no imo. I don't think it looked right on her. She can pass as a brunette and dirty blond, but I think that red was frightening on her. :eek:

I too like Cinnamon/Stacy Q and so miss the mid 80's and all that music. I remember buying her 45 record for "Two of Hearts". :heart::heart:

I wonder whatever happened to her? I'll have to Google and see. :typing:

valentina warner

07-14-2020, 03:01 PM

I'm glad that you're enjoying season 8! This was a fun episode and I love how Tootie gave her number to Cinnamon in the end and did the right thing. You know that's some of Mrs. G's influence there! :heart:

I'm glad you bumped Tootie up a notch and dropped Jo down...in the later seasons, Jo just became a whole different person....and a woman. :lol: I think I prefer Angry Man Jo better.

One thing about this episode that bothered me was how unbelievable it was that Tootie goes to a Broadway audition and doesn't bring an 8x10 picture to give. She's so obsessed with acting, I don't think she'd forget something that important and would have a huge portfolio with her.

I will half agree with you on Natalie---her slimmer figure looked great on her, but that red hair was a big no no imo. I don't think it looked right on her. She can pass as a brunette and dirty blond, but I think that red was frightening on her. :eek:

I too like Cinnamon/Stacy Q and so miss the mid 80's and all that music. I remember buying her 45 record for "Two of Hearts". :heart::heart:

I wonder whatever happened to her? I'll have to Google and see. :typing:

You're absolutely right,cfr1970!!!!!

Season 2 JO was definitely her 'Golden' years: when she excelled as the biggest 'foil' for BLAIR!!!!! (the later years JO just seemed like a whole different person indeed!):wasntme::wasntme::wasntme:

I still like NAT a lot more with her red hair than when she was the 'chubby girl with the mousy brown hair': plus i love her new found confidence, and in a way she is the most mature and worldly one of all the core!!!!:yourock::yourock::yourock:

popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:

valentina warner

07-15-2020, 01:44 PM

THE LITTLE CHILL

Okay everybody, the moment you have all been waiting for (especially Retro,Lorsie & 80s is finally there, so let's all give a big clap to much waited special guest star 'THE LOST GIRLS!!!!!!!':birthday:

BLAIR is coming down the stairs, all excited about the Reunion with her longtime friends NANCY, SUE ANN & CINDY and gives TOOTIE & NAT (who are in charge of the decorations for the welcome party) instructions on how to make sure it's done 100 % perfect!!!!!

URCHIN ANDY then makes an entrance: his hormones are jumping alright, he starts babbling about how he's never seen a model in flesh, NAT then tells him to cool it, that she remembers when CINDY (who is now a famous model) had nothing worth showing etc.... (not quite right NAT: our 'former tomboy' had always a firm body, & was already fit as a teenager with all the sports she was practicing).
HORMONE CRAZY URCHIN then approaches the expert on men: BLAIR WARNER, to asks her for some advice on how to hook MODEL CINDY, if he should wear that 'Miami vice' look and start shaving, and then exits away claiming he'll put on some after shave to get our former tomboy crazy about him!!!! (keep dreaming MINI URCHIN!)

JO & BEVERLY ANN are next to make an entrance into the living room: our 'Bronx girl' asks if she can help with the decorations, and our 'eccentric short blond haired' begins to chat excitedly about how she remembers her own school reunion, she keeps on babbling & then BLAIR asks her politely if this is going to be a long story!!!!!:rotflmao:

Taking that as an invitation, BEVERLY ANN starts with her tale, on how after 25 years all her school friends had become bald, fat & ugly while in contrast she had turned into a successful physicist!!!!:rofl:

The doorbell rings, and BLAIR, TOOTIE & NAT open the door excitedly to let the 'LOST GIRLS' inside: the 6 friends begin to all talk at once about how much they've changed etc... and when NATALIE wants to introduce them to their new member of the family, JO naturally assume it's her (although to be honest i don't know why she thought such thing, since they all knew her already lol!) she approaches them shyly, but ignoring her, our 'bubbly journalist' walks over BEVERLY ANN and begins with the introductions:
"Guys, this is MRS GARRET's sister who is now living with us!"
Beverly Ann: "her MUCH younger sister!":cheers:

JO is still standing awkwardly, but then a VERY NICE TOOTIE (i really loved her there for showing tact!) notices her and says:
"You guys remember Jo from school, don't you?"
They all nod, and feeling more welcome, our 'Bronx girl' tries to engage a conversation with the 'Lost girls', who unfortunately are more focused on BEVERLY ANN (being MRS GARRET's sister) and themselves.....

Feeling like a third wheel, JO then babbles about going to the library but nobody is paying attention to her, except for BLAIR, who when she sees our 'Bronx girl' open the main door exclaims:
"Jo are you leaving?"
Jo: "yeah, i'm going to the library to study."
As soon as she exits though, BITCHY NANCY (sorry but i didn't like how she expresses herself about our 'Bronx girl') snickers:
"So this is the famous JO? I was expecting a wild cat!"
NATALIE then ads more fuel to the fire:
"We've domesticated her, but we still keep her on the chain!"
(stupid girls!!!!):bash:

On the other hand, our 'girl with the golden heart' reminisces the first time she met JO and smiles.........

The 6 friends continue to reminisce about the good old days at 'Eastland' and about their goals and careers, JO then comes back from the library and decides to join them and engage into their conversation.
Unfortunately, she has no memories to share with them, and a very SNOTTY SUE ANN (sorry 'Lost girls' fans cos i know she is a favourite here: but i found her unbearable to watch all through the episode!) replies haughtily to our 'Bronx girl': "you had to be there!"
SNOTTY SUE ANN continues babbling about how she became a real career woman in the corporation she is working for, how she could have gotten her former bestie CINDY a job as the face of a true American model if she had known before she was a model etc.....
The whole thing kept me thinking: SUE ANN and CINDY (who were once the besties of Eastland) had nothing in common anymore, and apparently had lost track of each other if they didn't even know where they worked or what they had been doing all those years??????:hello

JO is no fool though: she doesn't buy all the phony act SNOTTY SUE ANN is pulling, and so they keep clashing!!!!!!

BEVERLY ANN wants to be part of their little reunion though, and tries very hard to fit in by telling them stories: unfortunately the girls are not interested in 'old tales' and keep giving our 'eccentric short blond haired' the cold shoulder (poor BEVERLY ANN!!!!!):crybaby:

It doesn't all end up there though: we now have BLAIR giving our 'Lost girls' a tour of Over our heads, SNOTTY SUE ANN then starts to brag about how she is now the new 'VISE PRESIDENT' of some major corporation, but our 'Bronx girl' is still very suspicious: "vise president at 22?????"
BLAIR then tries to be the peacemaker, and standing in the middle of JO vs SUE ANN, she says:
"believe me Sue Ann, you don't want to mess with Jo! And Jo, you definitely don't want to mess with Sue Ann!" (we then have a flashback of BLAIR reminiscing the time, when a very ANGRY and COMPETITIVE SUE ANN punched her face while she and CINDY were competing with each other!)
In the flashback we see TOOTIE and MOLLY in the room with BLAIR and crying over her swollen face, and at the memory the 6 friends burst out laughing!!!!

There is then the reference of MOLLY (who wasn't able to come to the reunion) and when the girls continue to giggle, JO wants to join in, only to be snickered by SNOTTY SUE ANN who keeps saying over and over:
"You had to be there!!!"
A VERY HURT JO then leaves the shop mumbling: "sorry but i'v got more important things to do!" storming out!!!!!

We then focus on a VERY LONELY JO in her room upstairs grabbing her books to go out again, but a VERY CARING BLAIR stops her:
"Jo, we're been rooming for 6 years & i know when something is bothering you. We don't mean to leave you out, we're just excited to see our longtime friends, that's all...."
Our 'Bronx girl' hates to be the third wheel, and so she tells her bestie that they should all have fun without her, and that she will hit the books!!!!!
And storms out, leaving a WORRIED BLAIR by herself........

We focus again on the 6 friends: it's 'pajama party time with pizza', and while they reminisce some more, NANCY has a confession to make.......

Coming back to NANCY: she is 3 months pregnant, and thinks she has to give up her career as a 'Psychologist' because by the time she is 36 years old it'll be too late to have her own practice (that definitely doesn't apply for today's world, when everybody starts with anything later on lol!).
The girls then confess how they used to have a crush on ROGER back then, and when it's BLAIR's turn to confess, she admits to her friends that she is NOT a natural blond!!!!!!!:bouncers:

A VERY MELANCHOLIC BLAIR has then a 'heart to heart' talk with CINDY (it's the first time we see them interacting so closely wow!):she tells her how she envies her for being a model & that maybe she 'peaked' too soon?????
CINDY tries to comfort MELANCHOLIC BLAIR, telling her how modelling isn't all that glamorous with all the diets she has to do, that she would love to devour the pizza, but that it's not part of her diet etc...
TOOTIE then burst out laughing, while she remembers the time BLAIR tried to convince SUE ANN to go on a diet (in the 'dieting' episode) and we have once again a flashback...........

It's late at night now, & JO is back from the library: she is tired & wants to head upstairs, but when she hears all the laughter & noises coming from her room, she changes her mind & decides to sleep in the sofa instead.

BEVERLY ANN enters the living room, just on time to see our 'Bronx girl' gets comfortable in the large sofa: she knows that JO is still feeling left out & decides to have a 'heart to heart' talk with her.
Our 'eccentric short blond haired' begins to tell JO that she knows what it's like to feel like an outsider (especially when you have no memories with the others to share with), that she still misses 'Appleton' and even her ex husband FRANK, and when a very surprised JO asks her:
"You're ex? I thought he was the...."
Beverly Ann: "worthless 2 timer and dirt time ball.... sometimes at night i see my fist go into his face!!!!!":brent:brent

The 'heart to heart' talk continues between BEVERLY ANN and JO:
"I am growing on you girls, am i?" Our 'eccentric blond short haired' asks our 'Bronx girl'.
Jo: "yes, i guess you can say that!":loveya:

It's now ALMOST the final scene: JO is asleep on the sofa, we see SUE ANN coming downstairs to make a 'private' phone call (thinking our 'Bronx girl' is fast asleep), so she grabs the phone to ask her co worker to cover for her on Monday, cos she wants to spend an extra day in New York, how he should be a good sport instead of a GOLFER, and that's when she realizes that JO has been listening to her conversation all along!!!!!

A VERY DEFENSIVE SUE ANN hangs the phone to confront a VERY ANGRY JO: she tells her it's not what it looks like, but our 'Bronx girl' snaps at her that she is nothing but a PHONY, but SUE ANN just rebels, and before going back upstairs, she tells JO that next time there is a reunion, she will MOST DEFINITELY be a 'vise president'!!!!

The next morning it's FAREWELL: our 'Lost girls' are now leaving, and before their departure we see BEVERLY ANN approach them with 3 roses; she hands the red one to SUE ANN (it's for 'love' she says), the the yellow one to CINDY (it's for 'friendship' she says) & the white one for NANCY (it's for 'purity' she says), in which our tall dark haired girl replies:
"maybe i should get a pink one?:lol:

JO returns from the library, and a VERY NERVOUS SUE ANN tries to hurry their goodbyes, but when TOOTIE, BLAIR & NATALIE start telling her how proud they are from all her achievement she decides to come clean, and this the part when i really love JO:
Our 'Bronx girl' comes to the defense of SUE ANN when she is about to blurt out the whole truth,
"so you didn't fly on first class? Big deal!"
When BLAIR notices SUE ANN & JO smile at each other she becomes very suspicious (and maybe a little jealous too hee hee hee!)
Our 'pampered princess with the heart of gold' asks:
"wait a minute, i thought you 2 weren't getting along?"
"You had to be there!" JO replies, sharing a moment with SUE ANN.

There is then the sound of a taxi beep, our 3 girls (minus JO) hug our 'Lost girls' one last very last time, their goodbye.......

Goodbye to the 'LOST GIRLS' .....:crysoup:

A fantastic episode i must say, and my favourite so far after 'Out of Peeskills!!!!'

I have formed a new opinion on the 'Lost girls' now:

I have to say that as young adults, my favourite is CINDY (i love how she nicely asks JO about why she wasn't at 'Eastland' the first year, and her 'heart to heart' talk with BLAIR was sweet)
As second best i choose NANCY: i love how she interacts with her friends, but her minus point was the way she refers to JO as 'wild cat'.
SUE ANN at the bottom: i found her very SNOTTY with her phony act, she had the worst hairdo too (in fact, CINDY was the prettiest of them all!) and i was saddened to see how there is no trace of the sweet & caring teenager she once was........

So after long consideration, this is how i rate the FOL cast on this episode:

1. BLAIR/JO/BEVERLY ANN (Our 'Bronx girl' showed dignity by covering SUE ANN's deceit, and our 'girl wit the golden heart' was the only one showing concern over JO's feelings, as well as our 'eccentric short blond haired').

2. CINDY/TOOTIE: i love how our 'tomboy' has turned into a glamorous model and that it didn't go into her head, there was no pretense at all, & she was caring all through the episode as well as the best looking one of them all!!!!!
Our 'baby of the group' was so caring & sweet, & she was the only one who cared to introduce JO to the 'Lost girls'.

3. NANCY/NATALIE: they were great & funny at interacting with everyone, but i didn't like how they made fun behind JO's back with that nasty comment, comparing her to a wild cat being domesticated etc....

And lastly,

4. SUE ANN: i know that some of you are going to hate me for that, but her SNOTTY/STUCK UP behaviour irritated me all through the episode, and now i finally understand you Christopher your dislike for SUE ANN......
I mostly hated how SUE ANN belittled JO with her little sentence: "you had to be there!!!!" (In fact, she is the reason our 'Bronx girl' left the room feeling like a THIRD WHEEL lol!).
It also saddened me to know, that the FORMER BEST FRIENDS had drifted so much apart, and that there is nothing left of SUE ANN/CINDY: our 2 sporty besties from 'Eastland' couldn't be more opposites.......

THE END.....

phone2:phone2:

RetroGuy2000

07-15-2020, 02:25 PM

cfr1970

07-15-2020, 02:51 PM

THE LITTLE CHILL

Okay everybody, the moment you have all been waiting for (especially Retro,Lorsie & 80s is finally there, so let's all give a big clap to much waited special guest star 'THE LOST GIRLS!!!!!!!'

BLAIR is coming down the stairs, all excited about the Reunion with her longtime friends NANCY, SUE ANN & CINDY and gives TOOTIE & NAT (who are in charge of the decorations for the welcome party) instructions on how to make sure it's done 100 % perfect!!!!!

URCHIN ANDY then makes an entrance: his hormones are jumping alright, he starts babbling about how he's never seen a model in flesh, NAT then tells him to cool it, that she remembers when CINDY (who is now a famous model) had nothing worth showing etc.... (not quite right NAT: our 'former tomboy' had always a firm body, & was already fit as a teenager with all the sports she was practicing).
HORMONE CRAZY URCHIN then approaches the expert on men: BLAIR WARNER, to asks her for some advice on how to hook MODEL CINDY, if he should wear that 'Miami vice' look and start shaving, and then exits away claiming he'll put on some after shave to get our former tomboy crazy about him!!!! (keep dreaming MINI URCHIN!)

JO & BEVERLY ANN are next to make an entrance into the living room: our 'Bronx girl' asks if she can help with the decorations, and our 'eccentric short blond haired' begins to chat excitedly about how she remembers her own school reunion, she keeps on babbling & then BLAIR asks her politely if this is going to be a long story!!!!!

Taking that as an invitation, BEVERLY ANN starts with her tale, on how after 25 years all her school friends had become bald, fat & ugly while in contrast she had turned into a successful physicist!!!!

The doorbell rings, and BLAIR, TOOTIE & NAT open the door excitedly to let the 'LOST GIRLS' inside: the 6 friends begin to all talk at once about how much they've changed etc... and when NATALIE wants to introduce them to their new member of the family, JO naturally assume it's her (although to be honest i don't know why she thought such thing, since they all knew her already lol!) she approaches them shyly, but ignoring her, our 'bubbly journalist' walks over BEVERLY ANN and begins with the introductions:
"Guys, this is MRS GARRET's sister who is now living with us!"
Beverly Ann: "her MUCH younger sister!":cheers:

JO is still standing awkwardly, but then a VERY NICE TOOTIE (i really loved her there for showing tact!) notices her and says:
"You guys remember Jo from school, don't you?"
They all nod, and feeling more welcome, our 'Bronx girl' tries to engage a conversation with the 'Lost girls', who unfortunately are more focused on BEVERLY ANN (being MRS GARRET's sister) and themselves.....

Feeling like a third wheel, JO then babbles about going to the library but nobody is paying attention to her, except for BLAIR, who when she sees our 'Bronx girl' open the main door exclaims:
"Jo are you leaving?"
Jo: "yeah, i'm going to the library to study."
As soon as she exits though, BITCHY NANCY (sorry but i didn't like how she expresses herself about our 'Bronx girl') snickers:
"So this is the famous JO? I was expecting a wild cat!"
NATALIE then ads more fuel to the fire:
"We've domesticated her, but we still keep her on the chain!"
(stupid girls!!!!):bash:

On the other hand, our 'girl with the golden heart' reminisces the first time she met JO and smiles.........

The 6 friends continue to reminisce about the good old days at 'Eastland' and about their goals and careers, JO then comes back from the library and decides to join them and engage into their conversation.
Unfortunately, she has no memories to share with them, and a very SNOTTY SUE ANN (sorry 'Lost girls' fans cos i know she is a favourite here: but i found her unbearable to watch all through the episode!) replies haughtily to our 'Bronx girl': "you had to be there!"
SNOTTY SUE ANN continues babbling about how she became a real career woman in the corporation she is working for, how she could have gotten her former bestie CINDY a job as the face of a true American model if she had known before she was a model etc.....
The whole thing kept me thinking: SUE ANN and CINDY (who were once the besties of Eastland) had nothing in common anymore, and apparently had lost track of each other if they didn't even know where they worked or what they had been doing all those years??????:hello

JO is no fool though: she doesn't buy all the phony act SNOTTY SUE ANN is pulling, and so they keep clashing!!!!!!

BEVERLY ANN wants to be part of their little reunion though, and tries very hard to fit in by telling them stories: unfortunately the girls are not interested in 'old tales' and keep giving our 'eccentric short blond haired' the cold shoulder (poor BEVERLY ANN!!!!!):crybaby:

It doesn't all end up there though: we now have BLAIR giving our 'Lost girls' a tour of Over our heads, SNOTTY SUE ANN then starts to brag about how she is now the new 'VISE PRESIDENT' of some major corporation, but our 'Bronx girl' is still very suspicious: "vise president at 22?????"
BLAIR then tries to be the peacemaker, and standing in the middle of JO vs SUE ANN, she says:
"believe me Sue Ann, you don't want to mess with Jo! And Jo, you definitely don't want to mess with Sue Ann!" (we then have a flashback of BLAIR reminiscing the time, when a very ANGRY and COMPETITIVE SUE ANN punched her face while she and CINDY were competing with each other!)
In the flashback we see TOOTIE and MOLLY in the room with BLAIR and crying over her swollen face, and at the memory the 6 friends burst out laughing!!!!

There is then the reference of MOLLY (who wasn't able to come to the reunion) and when the girls continue to giggle, JO wants to join in, only to be snickered by SNOTTY SUE ANN who keeps saying over and over:
"You had to be there!!!"
A VERY HURT JO then leaves the shop mumbling: "sorry but i'v got more important things to do!" storming out!!!!!

We then focus on a VERY LONELY JO in her room upstairs grabbing her books to go out again, but a VERY CARING BLAIR stops her:
"Jo, we're been rooming for 6 years & i know when something is bothering you. We don't mean to leave you out, we're just excited to see our longtime friends, that's all...."
Our 'Bronx girl' hates to be the third wheel, and so she tells her bestie that they should all have fun without her, and that she will hit the books!!!!!
And storms out, leaving a WORRIED BLAIR by herself........

We focus again on the 6 friends: it's 'pajama party time with pizza', and while they reminisce some more, NANCY has a confession to make.......

Coming back to NANCY: she is 3 months pregnant, and thinks she has to give up her career as a 'Psychologist' because by the time she is 36 years old it'll be too late to have her own practice (that definitely doesn't apply for today's world, when everybody starts with anything later on lol!).
The girls then confess how they used to have a crush on ROGER back then, and when it's BLAIR's turn to confess, she admits to her friends that she is NOT a natural blond!!!!!!!:bouncers:

A VERY MELANCHOLIC BLAIR has then a 'heart to heart' talk with CINDY (it's the first time we see them interacting so closely wow!):she tells her how she envies her for being a model & that maybe she 'peaked' too soon?????
CINDY tries to comfort MELANCHOLIC BLAIR, telling her how modelling isn't all that glamorous with all the diets she has to do, that she would love to devour the pizza, but that it's not part of her diet etc...
TOOTIE then burst out laughing, while she remembers the time BLAIR tried to convince SUE ANN to go on a diet (in the 'dieting' episode) and we have once again a flashback...........

It's late at night now, & JO is back from the library: she is tired & wants to head upstairs, but when she hears all the laughter & noises coming from her room, she changes her mind & decides to sleep in the sofa instead.

BEVERLY ANN enters the living room, just on time to see our 'Bronx girl' gets comfortable in the large sofa: she knows that JO is still feeling left out & decides to have a 'heart to heart' talk with her.
Our 'eccentric short blond haired' begins to tell JO that she knows what it's like to feel like an outsider (especially when you have no memories with the others to share with), that she still misses 'Appleton' and even her ex husband FRANK, and when a very surprised JO asks her:
"You're ex? I thought he was the...."
Beverly Ann: "worthless 2 timer and dirt time ball.... sometimes at night i see my fist go into his face!!!!!"

The 'heart to heart' talk continues between BEVERLY ANN and JO:
"I am growing on you girls, am i?" Our 'eccentric blond short haired' asks our 'Bronx girl'.
Jo: "yes, i guess you can say that!"

It's now ALMOST the final scene: JO is asleep on the sofa, we see SUE ANN coming downstairs to make a 'private' phone call (thinking our 'Bronx girl' is fast asleep), so she grabs the phone to ask her co worker to cover for her on Monday, cos she wants to spend an extra day in New York, how he should be a good sport instead of a GOLFER, and that's when she realizes that JO has been listening to her conversation all along!!!!!

A VERY DEFENSIVE SUE ANN hangs the phone to confront a VERY ANGRY JO: she tells her it's not what it looks like, but our 'Bronx girl' snaps at her that she is nothing but a PHONY, but SUE ANN just rebels, and before going back upstairs, she tells JO that next time there is a reunion, she will MOST DEFINITELY be a 'vise president'!!!!

The next morning it's FAREWELL: our 'Lost girls' are now leaving, and before their departure we see BEVERLY ANN approach them with 3 roses; she hands the red one to SUE ANN (it's for 'love' she says), the the yellow one to CINDY (it's for 'friendship' she says) & the white one for NANCY (it's for 'purity' she says), in which our tall dark haired girl replies:
"maybe i should get a pink one?

JO returns from the library, and a VERY NERVOUS SUE ANN tries to hurry their goodbyes, but when TOOTIE, BLAIR & NATALIE start telling her how proud they are from all her achievement she decides to come clean, and this the part when i really love JO:
Our 'Bronx girl' comes to the defense of SUE ANN when she is about to blurt out the whole truth,
"so you didn't fly on first class? Big deal!"
When BLAIR notices SUE ANN & JO smile at each other she becomes very suspicious (and maybe a little jealous too hee hee hee!)
Our 'pampered princess with the heart of gold' asks:
"wait a minute, i thought you 2 weren't getting along?"
"You had to be there!" JO replies, sharing a moment with SUE ANN.

There is then the sound of a taxi beep, our 3 girls (minus JO) hug our 'Lost girls' one last very last time, their goodbye.......

Goodbye to the 'LOST GIRLS' .....

A fantastic episode i must say, and my favourite so far after 'Out of Peeskills!!!!'

I have formed a new opinion on the 'Lost girls' now:

I have to say that as young adults, my favourite is CINDY (i love how she nicely asks JO about why she wasn't at 'Eastland' the first year, and her 'heart to heart' talk with BLAIR was sweet)
As second best i choose NANCY: i love how she interacts with her friends, but her minus point was the way she refers to JO as 'wild cat'.
SUE ANN at the bottom: i found her very SNOTTY with her phony act, she had the worst hairdo too (in fact, CINDY was the prettiest of them all!) and i was saddened to see how there is no trace of the sweet & caring teenager she once was........

So after long consideration, this is how i rate the FOL cast on this episode:

1. BLAIR/JO/BEVERLY ANN (Our 'Bronx girl' showed dignity by covering SUE ANN's deceit, and our 'girl wit the golden heart' was the only one showing concern over JO's feelings, as well as our 'eccentric short blond haired').

2. CINDY/TOOTIE: i love how our 'tomboy' has turned into a glamorous model and that it didn't go into her head, there was no pretense at all, & she was caring all through the episode as well as the best looking one of them all!!!!!
Our 'baby of the group' was so caring & sweet, & she was the only one who cared to introduce JO to the 'Lost girls'.

3. NANCY/NATALIE: they were great & funny at interacting with everyone, but i didn't like how they made fun behind JO's back with that nasty comment, comparing her to a wild cat being domesticated etc....

And lastly,

4. SUE ANN: i know that some of you are going to hate me for that, but her SNOTTY/STUCK UP behaviour irritated me all through the episode, and now i finally understand you Christopher your dislike for SUE ANN......
I mostly hated how SUE ANN belittled JO with her little sentence: "you had to be there!!!!" (In fact, she is the reason our 'Bronx girl' left the room feeling like a THIRD WHEEL lol!).
It also saddened me to know, that the FORMER BEST FRIENDS had drifted so much apart, and that there is nothing left of SUE ANN/CINDY: our 2 sporty besties from 'Eastland' couldn't be more opposites.......

THE END.....

phone2:phone2:

OMG! You put Beverly Ann at #1 with Blair & Jo! :clap:

I'm so happy that you're liking her as much as I did when I watched season 8. As she said to Jo---she does grow on you! :heart::beeutiful

I watched this episode before I watched season 1 and after reading your review, I think I need to watch this one again to put it in better context.

I loved Sue Ann when I watched it before---but since seeing all of season 1 since, I think I may have the same opinion as you do of her now. I'm going to view it again now.

It is interesting how Sue Ann & Cindy aren't as close anymore. Since I didn't see the 1st season when I watched it, I couldn't pick it up and now it does make you wonder why?! :confused:

You'd think they'd have kept in touch for the last 5 years since they were besties all through season 1.

I didn't mind Natalie's "domesticated" remark. She's the type to crack a joke like that and she was nice enough to wait to say it when Jo was gone. And we all know Angry Jo has had her share of wicked things to say about others in her heat of anger. :angryfire

I did like Jo keeping Sue Ann's secret. That really showed character and maturity in her. If it were me, I would've gleefully and shamelessly told!! :lol:

I'm really enjoying your reviews of this season valentina!! It's nice to be on the other side of them for a change and read them rather than write them!! :lol::wave:

RetroGuy2000

07-15-2020, 02:58 PM

It is interesting how Sue Ann & Cindy aren't as close anymore. Since I didn't see the 1st season when I watched it, I couldn't pick it up and now it does make you wonder why?! :confused:

You'd think they'd have kept in touch for the last 5 years since they were besties all through season 1.

Not just Season 1, but they're also shown as besties throughout Seasons 2 and 3, as well: they sit together, they have a dorm room together, they take the same classes, and never leave each other's side. So it's sad to think they've lost touch.

I did like Jo keeping Sue Ann's secret.

Same here. Jo was the bigger person. Jo in "The New Girl" would have made sure everyone knew Sue Ann had lied.

valentina warner

07-15-2020, 06:47 PM

Thank you so much for your appraisal Retro and cfr1970: you made my day!!!!

valentina warner

07-15-2020, 07:07 PM

It's a good thing they didn't put Brenda in charge, or the banner would have said "Welcome back, Nancye, Sue Anne, and Cindye".

There's no doubt that Sue Ann should have made an effort to include Jo. And, to be honest, Sue Ann from Season One would have included her, as it would have been the "right thing to do." But Sue ann has now spent years in New York, and her competitive streak is showing...

That's an interesting thought that I don't think has been explored, yet. I assumed they had driven up together from the city because they all arrived at the same time, but how you mention Sue Ann doesn't know Cindy's a model does seem to indicate they've lost touch.

That's true: things have definitely changed.

It's a really good line, there.

It's a nice moment.

It's definitely my favorite, too. Reunions like this, where characters returned after a five-year absence, almost never occurred on US television in this era, so it was an incredibly nice surprise.

We definitely see Sue Ann's competitive streak. However, we do see traces of the old Sue Ann: she does ask how Mrs. Garrett is doing, which felt like a very 'Sue Ann' thing, to me; and she is going to admit to lying when Jo interrupts her. She was going to do the right thing, but in the end, she didn't have to.

We also get many flashback scenes which is another great thing about this episode.

Not at all! Sue Ann was definitely wrong, here. But I feel as though this was typical Sue Ann, making some bad decisions, and leaving out Jo, just as she had done to Nancy in "Dope", and to Natalie, in "Sex Symbol". It felt very true to Sue Ann: she lost sight of the bigger picture, but once she was reminded of what the right thing was, she was going to make amends.

GREAT REVIEW, Valentina! This must have taken hours to write up!

Hello Retro!!!!!

I was very happy to read your opinion!!!!! (it did take me some time to write my review, but it was worth it!):wave::wave::wave:

It would have been funny to have BRENDA as special guest star too: she would have written SUE ANNIE, as well as NANCYE & CINDYE on the banner, and made some comment how she is still dating rocks lol!!!!!:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

I guess you are right about SUE ANN's competitive streak showing: maybe if she had stayed with the 'Core of 4' as part of it (as well as CINDY) & MRS G, she would have never drifted apart so easily??????:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

It would certainly have been interesting to have a 'core of 8' (like on the story i'm writing) to see the girls remained close instead of drifting apart......:violin::violin::violin:

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

valentina warner

07-15-2020, 07:40 PM

OMG! You put Beverly Ann at #1 with Blair & Jo!

I'm so happy that you're liking her as much as I did when I watched season 8. As she said to Jo---she does grow on you!

I watched this episode before I watched season 1 and after reading your review, I think I need to watch this one again to put it in better context.

I loved Sue Ann when I watched it before---but since seeing all of season 1 since, I think I may have the same opinion as you do of her now. I'm going to view it again now.

It is interesting how Sue Ann & Cindy aren't as close anymore. Since I didn't see the 1st season when I watched it, I couldn't pick it up and now it does make you wonder why?!

You'd think they'd have kept in touch for the last 5 years since they were besties all through season 1.

I didn't mind Natalie's "domesticated" remark. She's the type to crack a joke like that and she was nice enough to wait to say it when Jo was gone. And we all know Angry Jo has had her share of wicked things to say about others in her heat of anger.

I did like Jo keeping Sue Ann's secret. That really showed character and maturity in her. If it were me, I would've gleefully and shamelessly told!!

I'm really enjoying your reviews of this season valentina!! It's nice to be on the other side of them for a change and read them rather than write them!! :

Hello cfr1970, and many thanks for your appraisal on my review!!!!!party:party

I knew you'd be delighted to see me put BEVERLY ANN on top 1, as well as TOOTIE as # 2 lol!!!!!:birthday::birthday:

I liked JO very much in this episode: you can see MRS G's influence on her with her mature & selfless act when she backs up SUE ANN, and as you said, she was the bigger person!!!!!!:yourock::yourock:

PS: i can't believe you would have shamelessly told cfr1970!!!!! (shocking!!!!!):brent:brent

I don't know if i'll review tomorrow since i'm out in town: the pubs are now open (since the first time after the Lock down) as from tonight, so i'll be partying yippee!!!!!!:cheers::cheers:

PS: i still miss our 'feisty red haired' & the girls when they were still little, so i might watch 'The girls school' (starring naughty/rebellious BLAIR) tonight!!!!:cheer::cheer::cheer:

popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:

80s Dude

07-15-2020, 10:09 PM

Hello cfr1970, and many thanks for your appraisal on my review!!!!!party:party

I knew you'd be delighted to see me put BEVERLY ANN on top 1, as well as TOOTIE as # 2 lol!!!!!:birthday::birthday:

I liked JO very much in this episode: you can see MRS G's influence on her with her mature & selfless act when she backs up SUE ANN, and as you said, she was the bigger person!!!!!!:yourock::yourock:

PS: i can't believe you would have shamelessly told cfr1970!!!!! (shocking!!!!!):brent:brent

I don't know if i'll review tomorrow since i'm out in town: the pubs are now open (since the first time after the Lock down) as from tonight, so i'll be partying yippee!!!!!!:cheers::cheers:

PS: i still miss our 'feisty red haired' & the girls when they were still little, so i might watch 'The girls school' (starring naughty/rebellious BLAIR) tonight!!!!:cheer::cheer::cheer:

popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:

Don't forget Leon's role in "The Girl's School" either.

Lorimar Television

07-16-2020, 01:06 AM

It's a good thing they didn't put Brenda in charge, or the banner would have said "Welcome back, Nancye, Sue Anne, and Cindye". ;)

There's no doubt that Sue Ann should have made an effort to include Jo. And, to be honest, Sue Ann from Season One would have included her, as it would have been the "right thing to do." But Sue ann has now spent years in New York, and her competitive streak is showing...

That's an interesting thought that I don't think has been explored, yet. I assumed they had driven up together from the city because they all arrived at the same time, but how you mention Sue Ann doesn't know Cindy's a model does seem to indicate they've lost touch.

That's true: things have definitely changed.

It's a really good line, there. :lol:

It's a nice moment.

It's definitely my favorite, too. Reunions like this, where characters returned after a five-year absence, almost never occurred on US television in this era, so it was an incredibly nice surprise.

We definitely see Sue Ann's competitive streak. However, we do see traces of the old Sue Ann: she does ask how Mrs. Garrett is doing, which felt like a very 'Sue Ann' thing, to me; and she is going to admit to lying when Jo interrupts her. She was going to do the right thing, but in the end, she didn't have to.

We also get many flashback scenes which is another great thing about this episode.

Not at all! Sue Ann was definitely wrong, here. But I feel as though this was typical Sue Ann, making some bad decisions, and leaving out Jo, just as she had done to Nancy in "Dope", and to Natalie, in "Sex Symbol". It felt very true to Sue Ann: she lost sight of the bigger picture, but once she was reminded of what the right thing was, she was going to make amends.

GREAT REVIEW, Valentina! This must have taken hours to write up! :bighug:

Haha Retro you explained better than I could. Sorry I’ll always love Sue Ann, Jo can kick rocks for replacing OUR Sue Ann in the group. :bash: Our Kansas girl does what lots of people at reunions do: embellish. And I’m sure she wanted to compete with snobby rich Blair as always. ;)

RetroGuy2000

07-16-2020, 02:07 AM

Haha Retro you explained better than I could. Sorry I’ll always love Sue Ann, Jo can kick rocks for replacing OUR Sue Ann in the group. :bash:

Yep! And Sue Ann was definitely in "our group" at the end of Season One.

Also: I know you know this, but it was Brenda, not Jo, who was into rocks. :lol:

Our Kansas girl does what lots of people at reunions do: embellish.

Well, she went a little further than 'embellish": she went from gofer to VP overnight! :lol:

And I’m sure she wanted to compete with snobby rich Blair as always. ;)

I'm telling you, it's that competitive streak that gets Sue Ann in trouble every time! :lol:

RetroGuy2000

07-16-2020, 02:11 AM

Hello Retro!!!!!

I was very happy to read your opinion!!!!! (it did take me some time to write my review, but it was worth it!):wave::wave::wave:

It would have been funny to have BRENDA as special guest star too: she would have written SUE ANNIE, as well as NANCYE & CINDYE on the banner, and made some comment how she is still dating rocks lol!!!!!:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

That would have been cool!

"How's the banner hanging going, Brenda?

"It's... adequate."

:lol:

I guess you are right about SUE ANN's competitive streak showing: maybe if she had stayed with the 'Core of 4' as part of it (as well as CINDY) & MRS G, she would have never drifted apart so easily??????:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

Yeah, if the Julies had stayed on, Sue Ann and Cindy would never have drifted apart. "Buddies forever!"

80s Dude

07-16-2020, 07:58 AM

Q: What are you doing now a days, Brenda?
A: I am a geologist so I am always close to my rocks.

Q: How is your life going, Brenda?
A: I'm adequate.

80s Dude

07-16-2020, 08:00 AM

Sue Ann had no problem with premarital sex in the Little Chill. Season One Sue Ann would have never done that.

RetroGuy2000

07-16-2020, 09:08 AM

Q: What are you doing now a days, Brenda?
A: I am a geologist so I am always close to my rocks.

Q: How is your life going, Brenda?
A: I'm adequate.

:brent

valentina warner

07-16-2020, 09:49 AM

Thank you for the comments Lorsie,Retro & 80s: i'm very happy to have you back on board yippee!!!!!

valentina warner

07-16-2020, 09:56 AM

Haha Retro you explained better than I could. Sorry I’ll always love Sue Ann, Jo can kick rocks for replacing OUR Sue Ann in the group. :bash: Our Kansas girl does what lots of people at reunions do: embellish. And I’m sure she wanted to compete with snobby rich Blair as always. ;)

I'm totally with you on that one Lorsie!!!!!:wave::wave::wave:

I also prefer SUE ANN over JO 100%!!!! (season 1 SUE ANN though, cos the young adult version of her is way too snotty, sorry):cheers::cheers::cheers:

JO was okay, but SUE ANN was just as good as a 'foil' to BLAIR, and therefore should have never been let go!!!!!:bash::bash::bash:

:dance::dance::dance:

valentina warner

07-16-2020, 10:54 AM

Don't forget Leon's role in "The Girl's School" either.

How could i forget LEON THE FROG oops!!!!! :jar::jar::jar:

PS: and in that case the CROCK too hee hee!!!!!:groucho:groucho:groucho

:grr::grr::grr:

80s Dude

07-16-2020, 12:24 PM

How could i forget LEON THE FROG oops!!!!! :jar::jar::jar:

PS: and in that case the CROCK too hee hee!!!!!:groucho:groucho:groucho

:grr::grr::grr:

It's easy to forget Leon's owner for Laura. She looked a little too old to be going to a girl's boarding school.

RetroGuy2000

07-16-2020, 12:44 PM

It's easy to forget Leon's owner for Laura. She looked a little too old to be going to a girl's boarding school.

Yeah. I did some research Laura was about 26 when she did The Girls' School. She sadly passed away in 2002, at age 49.

80s Dude

07-16-2020, 02:25 PM

Yeah. I did some research Laura was about 26 when she did The Girls' School. She sadly passed away in 2002, at age 49.

That is sad. I wonder why they got an actress whose been out of primary school for almost a decade to play student.

RetroGuy2000

07-16-2020, 04:46 PM

That is sad. I wonder why they got an actress whose been out of primary school for almost a decade to play student.

As you know, it was extremely common, in that era, to cast over-18s in the roles of children, which allowed the actors/actresses to work longer hours. In the Reelz documentary, they mention the decision to cast young girls, as they wanted a more realistic feel. Apparently, that decision didn't extend to guest stars and extras since we know both tumpy and Laura were played by women far over the age of 18.

They gathered a large number of girls for TGS; this group included girlfriends, daughters, etc., of the guys who worked on the set. The great grand-daughter of Jesse L. Lasky, D'Janine King, appeared in that episode, as well as Laura Shuman (later Laura Keith, wife of Gerren Keith, who was a producer on DS).

There was a long tradition of casting relatives of important people in Hollywood as students on FOL: Jenny was played by Dawn Schroder, sister of Ricky; Jimmy Baio, cousin of Scott, played one of the Academy students; Penina Segall sister of Pamela, played a student Jo teaches; Mindy Cohn's sister Pamela played a student named Lisa (this is not an exhaustive list).

Lorimar Television

07-16-2020, 05:06 PM

Sue Ann had no problem with premarital sex in the Little Chill. Season One Sue Ann would have never done that.

Well she didnt really say much about Nancy's pregnancy, but they were getting married so what could she say?
I'm totally with you on that one Lorsie!!!!!:wave::wave::wave:

I also prefer SUE ANN over JO 100%!!!! (season 1 SUE ANN though, cos the young adult version of her is way too snotty, sorry):cheers::cheers::cheers:

JO was okay, but SUE ANN was just as good as a 'foil' to BLAIR, and therefore should have never been let go!!!!!:bash::bash::bash:

:dance::dance::dance:
Yes non pod Blair and Sue Ann are the best!

valentina warner

07-16-2020, 08:47 PM

Yeah. I did some research Laura was about 26 when she did The Girls' School. She sadly passed away in 2002, at age 49.

Really??? She looked younger than her years lol!!!! (was she the one with short dark hair):confused::confused::confused:

RetroGuy2000

07-17-2020, 07:43 AM

Really??? She looked younger than her years lol!!!! (was she the one with short dark hair):confused::confused::confused:

Yep! That's the one! The girl looking for her Frog, Leon.

valentina warner

07-17-2020, 05:11 PM

THE RATINGS GAME

The opening begins with 'Over our heads' for a change: we see BEVERLY ANN & URCHIN tampering with the computer: our 'eccentric blond short haired' is losing patience & looks at the machine like it's from mars (in fact, when URCHIN says to her: "relax, just reading the instructions", BEVERLY ANN obeys & reads out aloud "Do you want to go to Mars?"):rotflmao:

We then see BLAIR coming with some black box, saying it's the end of an era for her, in which NATALIE replies: "let me guess? You're throwing away your make up?"
Our 'sophisticated girl with the golden heart' says: "no, i'm throwing away my files! I'm a modern woman & will now use the computer instead."
BEVERLY ANN is confused & the girls start explaining to her, that BLAIR is talking about her 'dating files' (where you rate the way a guy looks, his financial status, family background, etc....) & of course of 'eccentric short blond haired has the best answer: "that's more that i knew about FRANK when i divorced him." (ha ha ha she certainly doesn't miss a comment lol!):brent:

URCHIN ANDY walks towards 'Princess BLAIR" & asks her: "just out of curiosity, how would you rate me?"
Blair: "including your height?"
Urchin: "short people like me also need love." And then exits.....:baby:

TOOTIE cannot believe how vain & pampered PRINCESS BLAIR is, & asks her:
"Blair, how would you like it if men were rating you?"
Princess Blair: "i'd love it!"
Tootie: "but it's so dehumanising!"
Princess Blair: " not when you're a 10!" (isn't she something????):rofl:

The PRINCESS BLAIR acts is becoming a bit too much for JO's taste (she probably feels like punching her lights out) and we have a BLAIR vs JO's moment for the time being:
Jo: "if you're a 10, i'd hate to see what a 1 looks like?"
Princess Blair: "then avoid looking at the mirror!" (ouch!!!!!)
BEVERLY ANN decides it's time to intervene before a 'cat fight' begins (ha ha ha! Isn't our 'eccentric short blond haired' the best one!!!!!) and so she mumbles something about difference of opinions etc.....
PRINCESS BLAIR then continues to babble about someone named BUFFY who also works with those 'files', & then TOOTIE asks:
"Buffy? What kind of name is that?"
in which our 'Bronx girl' replies:
"Beats me, Tootie!":lol:

PRINCESS BLAIR doesn't want to give up though, so she insists on fixing ANGRY JO with a number 2, but our 'Bronx girl' says she doesn't believe in her stupid dating program: that she'll meet who she wants & mingle etc...

We then focus on the 'match making' party that PRINCESS BLAIR has organized: TOOTIE + NATALIE starts complaining about how come they got stuck with the decorations, while our 'pampered/vain girl' is upstairs getting glamoured up......
BEVERLY ANN then tries to cheer our 2 best friends: she tells them how PRINCESS BLAIR has made the invitations & that soon someone will come up to help them with the preparations etc....
Something very funny then happens: the doorbell rings, & a very excited NATALIE runs up to open the door expecting a hunk/sexy guy, only to come face to face with a version of 'DUMB & DUMBER'!!!!!!:bouncers

DUMB & DUMBER then ask if this is where the party is, but a very DUMBFOUNDED NAT just closes the door in their face!!!!! (ha ha ha lol!)
This is the part where BEVERLY ANN totally reminds me of MRS G: she tells NAT how you shouldn't judge a book by its cover & that what she did wasn't nice at all!!!!!:nonono:

A SLIGHTLY GUILTY NAT opens the door claiming she was kidding & let DUMB & DUMBER in, JO walks then into the living room & when she sees them she burst out laughing, & makes a funny comment about if they are forced to dress so ridiculously for the fraternity, in which DUMBER & DUMBER reply:
"Yeah! How did you know? It was supposed to be a secret!" (ha ha ha lol!)

The doorbell rings, NAT decides to ignore it mumbling: "you can't judge a book by its cover eh????" (after seeing DUMB & DUMBER), JO answers it instead, & at the sight of the INCREDIBLY HANDSOME TALL DARK HAIRED guy she almost gags!!!!!:ladiesman:

MAN EATER NATALIE is also gaping at the sight of such GORGEOUS CREATURE (sorry NAT, but you lost your chance ha ha ha!) but JO dismissed her:
"Nat, he's mine!!!!":eyes:

As it turns out: our GORGEOUS HUNK OF A MAN comes from the Bronx & JO is already besotted with him!!!!!

We then focus on TOOTIE & NAT, who are desperately looking for dates: they spot a relatively attractive guy (although by far not as hot as JO's Bronx man!) but when they approach them, he turns out to be GEEK, who does the weather forecast & asks them if what they want is his autograph!!!! (get a life geek!!!!)

We then focus on JO who is sitting by herself, & a very caring BEVERLY ANN tells her to mingle with the rest of the people instead, that the party is over there etc.... We then see PRINCESS BLAIR come downstairs all glamoured up:
"Oops! Has the party started already?" In which JO replies:
"yes Blair, & you're fashionably late!!!!" (ha ha lol!)

PRINCESS BLAIR doesn't want to give up on JO though: she tries to persuade her to go out with a 'number 2'.
She tells our 'Bronx girl', that all she needs to do is be with him for just half and hour while our 'pampered girl' herself is with a 'number 10'.......
JO finally relents, but when PRINCESS BLAIR goes out searching for 'number 2' the bell rings, and we see enter HANDSOME BRONX GUY!!!!!!

HANDSOME BRONX GUY walks straight towards JO & their attraction is mutual!!!!
Unfortunately at the same moment: PRINCESS BLAIR returns, claiming she now has the 'perfect number 2' for JO, and introduces him to the GEEK!!!!
ANGRY JO is frustrated, and to make things worse: our 'pampered girl' walks towards her 'number 10' who turns out to be no other than the HANDSOME BRONX BEAU from JO!!!!!
Now the war between the FRENEMIES has begun: it's definitely JO vs BLAIR!!!!!

We then focus at 'Over our heads' the next day, where a VERY ANGRY JO is sulking (after PRINCESS BLAIR stole her date last night); she is thinking about how to get her revenge, and this is when her chance comes to light: BEVERLY ANN has erased the dating files our 'pampered princess' had in the computer & asks our 'Bronx girl' for help:typing:

Thirsty for revenge, a VERY VENGEFUL JO approaches our 'eccentric short blond haired', & promise her to fix the computer..... We all know what she has in mind though: REVENGE!!!!

A while later, PRINCESS BLAIR walks into the shop & ask casually how JO's date with 'number 2' was last night, that she had a wonderful time with HANDSOME BRONX 'number 10' etc....
VENGEFUL JO puts on a phony smile & tells PRINCESS BLAIR that her 'computer partner' BUFFY wants her to check something on the computer, but when our 'pampered/vain girl' walks over there to look at the screen her eyes widen: as it turns out, HANDSOME BRONX GUY is really a 'number 2', whereas GEEK MAN is a 'number 10'!!!!!!!!!:eek2:

VENGEFUL JO then asks PRINCESS BLAIR is she is going to dump HANDSOME BRONX MAN (since apparently her is a 'number 2') but our 'pampered princess' challenges her FRENEMY & that she will NOT do such a thing, and stomps out!!!!!

We then focus on a VERY SNEAKY BLAIR in her room, phoning to break up her date (since she REALLY believes that HANDSOME BRONX MAN is a 'number 2') but when VENGEFUL JO catches her in the act she becomes defensive:
"it wouldn't have worked anyway. He's cotton & i'm silk!" (ha ha ha lol!)

A VERY DESPERATE BLAIR asks VENGEFUL JO for help: claiming that if she breaks her date with HANDSOME BRONX GUY he might commit suicide & how would it looks like if she was sent to prison for manslaughter!!!!!:rofl:

PRINCESS BLAIR then practically pleads VENGEFUL JO to help her out on that one: our 'Bronx girl' then tells 'pampered princess' to break her date easily by fixing him with a friend, in which BLAIR replies: "where would he finds someone as good as me?" (her vanity knows no limit!!!!)

PRINCESS BLAIR continues: "i guess it'll have to set him up with a second best!"
She then calls NATALIE (who declines cos she already has a date with SNAKES), then TOOTIE says she'll pass & is not interested, and turning towards VENGEFUL JO for help, PRINCESS BLAIR begins to beg......
VENGEFUL JO knows no limit with her deceit, and after feigning hesitation she finally relents.....

We then focus on VENGEFUL JO returning from a hot date with HANDSOME BRONX GUY: they start talking & when she asks him why he agreed to go out with PRINCESS BLAIR, he tells her that he wanted to give 'pampered/vain princess' a chance even though she seemed shallow at first, that if she was friends with our 'Bronx girl' there has to be more to her than that etc....
VENGEFUL JO then smiles & replies, that once you get to know BLAIR you realize that her 'shallowness is the deep part'.
HANDSOME BRONX GUY smiles & tells VENGEFUL JO that what he likes about her, it's her 'honesty', and when PRINCESS BLAIR comes back from her date with GEEKY GUY, a VERY GUILTY JO approaches her & confesses her the whole truth: that she tampered with the computer & switched the guys in order to have HANDSOME BRONX GUY for herself as a date!!!!!

GULLIBLE BLAIR doesn't believe VENGEFUL JO: she thinks that our 'Bronx girl' just wants to split her from GEEKY GUY (who apparently hit it off with our 'pampered princess') and walks away with a dreamy smile on her face.....

The final scene focuses on JO with HANDSOME BRONX GUY: he wants to go out on a second date with our 'Bronx girl'......:love:

THE END......

A rather 'light episode', and although i had a good laugh: BLAIR's behaviour as "I'm a Barbie girl.... in a Barbie world!!!!" got slightly on my nerves!!!!!

As for JO's hot date: that HANDSOME GUY was not 'optically compatible' with our 'Bronx girl' nor our 'pampered princess'!!!! (i though he was more MAN EATER NATALIE's type lol!!!!!):cheers:

I got a question for you guys: what did JO mean when she says that 'Blair's shallowness is the deep part?' (did she mean she is DEEP or SHALLOW?)

And lastly: it really bothers me how BLAIR gets pictured as 'shallow'!!!! (i found it a very offensive word & to me if you refer that as a person, it's almost saying that they are 'devoid of emotions'.....).
As as we all know, BLAIR has a 'heart of gold', so i don't think 'shallow' applies to someone as lovable as her, as the 'heart of the show' who will do anything for friendship!!!!!

PS: don't you guys agree?????

This is definitely my LEAST favourite episode, so far.....

:meangya:

Christopher

07-18-2020, 09:24 AM

So at first Valentina I thought you were jumping around episodes in season 8. I forgot the DVD release has them in airdate order than production order. I have them in order of production on my hard drive. It flows better that way because the piano comes and goes in season 8. Then it gets it's own introduction at the beginning of Write & Wrong.

PS: by the way i must disagree with you on that one cfr1970, NATALIE looks really hot with her red hair & slim figure!!!!!!

I too like Mindy's red hair in season 8. I think Mindy looks her best in season 8. I think season 9 is her worst look. I don't like the bangs and her cheeks look like they've had work done.

As for JO's hot date: that HANDSOME GUY was not 'optically compatible' with our 'Bronx girl' nor our 'pampered princess'!!!! (i though he was more MAN EATER NATALIE's type lol!!!!!):cheers:

I thought he looked fine with Jo. The character had the Bronx connection with Jo so they weren't completely incompatible.

I got a question for you guys: what did JO mean when she says that 'Blair's shallowness is the deep part?' (did she mean she is DEEP or SHALLOW?)

It meant Blair was shallow. And Blair had been written shallow the entire series so it's not new. In IQ she talks about worrying causes frown lines but looks in the mirror complimenting her looks saying she wasn't talking about her. Double Standard she thinks boys will transfer schools and move from states or countries just to date her. Marriage Brokers starts out with her not wanting to date the guy because of his appearance only when he has work done, she drools over him. Kids Can Be Cruel, she was part of the mean girls club who made fun of the boy with acne. There's a lot more examples leading up to this episode. She's always been written shallow so it's not an insult. It's just who Blair is.

And lastly: it really bothers me how BLAIR gets pictured as 'shallow'!!!! (i found it a very offensive word & to me if you refer that as a person, it's almost saying that they are 'devoid of emotions'.....).
As as we all know, BLAIR has a 'heart of gold', so i don't think 'shallow' applies to someone as lovable as her, as the 'heart of the show' who will do anything for friendship!!!!!

I listed examples up above. Just because Blair is shallow, doesn't mean she doesn't have a heart of gold. She cares about her friends and family and will do anything for them. When it comes to her personal tastes of interests, her preference is pretty things and that is not a bad thing. She has this belief she is the perfect looking woman and has high expectations of who she wants on her arm.

valentina warner

07-18-2020, 01:51 PM

So at first Valentina I thought you were jumping around episodes in season 8. I forgot the DVD release has them in airdate order than production order. I have them in order of production on my hard drive. It flows better that way because the piano comes and goes in season 8. Then it gets it's own introduction at the beginning of Write & Wrong.

I too like Mindy's red hair in season 8. I think Mindy looks her best in season 8. I think season 9 is her worst look. I don't like the bangs and her cheeks look like they've had work done.

I thought he looked fine with Jo. The character had the Bronx connection with Jo so they weren't completely incompatible.

It meant Blair was shallow. And Blair had been written shallow the entire series so it's not new. In IQ she talks about worrying causes frown lines but looks in the mirror complimenting her looks saying she wasn't talking about her. Double Standard she thinks boys will transfer schools and move from states or countries just to date her. Marriage Brokers starts out with her not wanting to date the guy because of his appearance only when he has work done, she drools over him. Kids Can Be Cruel, she was part of the mean girls club who made fun of the boy with acne. There's a lot more examples leading up to this episode. She's always been written shallow so it's not an insult. It's just who Blair is.

I listed examples up above. Just because Blair is shallow, doesn't mean she doesn't have a heart of gold. She cares about her friends and family and will do anything for them. When it comes to her personal tastes of interests, her preference is pretty things and that is not a bad thing. She has this belief she is the perfect looking woman and has high expectations of who she wants on her arm.

I understand what you're sayingChristopher, but to me: being SHALLOW is a rather negative trait (it's like saying someone is EMPTY & has nothing in their head) and even though BLAIR like's beautiful things doesn't mean she lacks DEPTH in my opinion.....

BOOTSIE seems more like the MANIPULATIVE SHALLOW one: remember how she rewrote NATALIE's article behind her back????
BLAIR on the other hand is more family orientated: she choose to live with MRS G & her 3 friends instead of some fancy dorm with BOOTSIE.

popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:

Lorimar Television

07-18-2020, 09:30 PM

Cfr did you watch Reba today?

valentina warner

07-19-2020, 01:32 PM

THE WEDDING DAY

We focus on 'Over our heads' where BLAIR walks towards NATALIE (who is polishing some jewellery).
Our 'bubbly journalists' says that maybe she should by a bracelet for her her mysterious beau SNAKES......
Our 'pampered princess' then answers: "you want to buy a bracelet for a guy who works in the road?"
In which NATALIE replies: "it'll match his earrings!" (ha ha ha lol!!!!)

As next, we then see a VERY HANDSOME GEORGE enter inside the shop (his new look with shorter hair definitely suits him better) & before i continue: let's ALL give him a welcome back clap (including you cfr1970 even you don't like him hee hee!):birthday:

GEORGE starts babbling about how much it costs to rent an apartment in Peekskills, then we see JO walk in with a picnic basket, & of course BLAIR cannot resist teasing her: "you're going on a picnic? What's the occasion?"
Our 'Bronx girl' then replies that it isn't a big deal, that she is tutoring ENRICO in English, in which our 'snobbish/pampered girl' continues devilish:
"Look how long it took you to learn English?" (meow! ha ha ha lol!):cat:

Next thing we see: is a LATIN GUY entering inside the shop swearing in Spanish, to someone he had an argument with outside about running into his bike (this guy is perfect for JO: he's into bikes too!!!!!)
Just then BEVERLY ANN walks in, and at the sight of the Latin guy she greets him: "ENRICO!!!"
LATINO GUY greats back: "Beverly Ann, que pasa?"
In which our 'eccentric short blond haired' replies: "pasa is doing fine!" (isn't she something?):rotflmao:

BEVERLY ANN is then holding some kind of bag in the shape of a heart & comments: "picnics are so romantic!"
JO then snaps at her: "it's not that kind of picnic, how many times do i have to tell you that?" Then exits with LATINO GUY.....

A slightly DUMBFOUNDED BEVERLY ANN then asks NAT: "did Jo just snapped at me, or am i being paranoid?"
In which our 'bubbly journalist' replies: "yep, she definitely snapped at you!"
TOOTIE then walks in as next, & asks happily if JO & LATINO GUY are going out together, & our 'eccentric short blond haired' replies automatically:
"It's not that kind of picnic!":rofl:

We then focus in the living room where BLAIR is sitting next to the phone who then rings, and when she answers it, her face is bewildered: "what??? You're kidding?"
NOSY SISTERS TOOTIE & NAT (who also happen to be in the living room) ask in unison: "WHAT??????"
BLAIR give them a look that translates 'quiet', continues with her conversation on the phone: "are you sure?" And when she hangs up the phone she exclaims: "i don't believe it!!!"
Our 'bubbly journalist' then tells her: "Blair don't make me say WHAT again!!!!" (ha ha ha lol!):clap:

BEVERLY ANN (who has remained silent all that same & that's a big effort for her) then asks: "is something wrong?"
In which BLAIR replies: "you decide, the doctor just called & says Jo's blood test is okay so she can go ahead & get married."
TOOTIE then blurts: "WHAT????":clap:

Talking about the devil itself, JO walks in, and at the sight of TOOTIE & NATALIE grinning like Cheshire cats, she asks suspiciously:
"are you guys alright?"
BLAIR smiles sheepishly & replies: "we're fine, but before i forget, the doctor called saying that your blood test is okay & that you can get married anytime" (meaning "didn't you forget to tell us something?").
Our 'Bronx girl' grins back & heads upstairs hurriedly (followed by SNOOPY BEVERLY ANN, BLAIR, NAT & TOOTIE)

Back upstairs: JO & her SNOOPY FRIENDS want to know what's going on, & so our 'Bronx girl' tells them the real truth of her 'rushed marriage'.....
As it turns out, LATINO GUY is an illegal immigrant (i don't know what they use the expression ILLEGAL ALIEN like he was some kind of martian from a far away planet lol!!!!!!) & JO has has agreed to marry him so he can stay in the country & not being deported..:ufo:

Still unsatisfied, JO's SNOOPY FRIENDS tell her to think things through, that marriage is something serious, & then our 'Bronx girl' tell them not to worry, that it'll only take 2 days for LATINO GUY to get his green card, & that it was GEORGE's idea etc....

The bell suddenly rings, & a very agitated LATINO GUY walks in begging JO to get married as soon as possible, that the immigration people are after him & that if they don't hurry up he'll be deported!!!!!
Our 'Bronx girl' then relents, & tells her SNOOPY FRIENDS that she won't be wearing anything fancy or make something big out of it: they need to be casual & discreet about it, & then TOOTIE has the fabulous idea to have them married in the house to avoid indiscretion.....

And so the next day we see a TRANSFORMED JO looking astonishing beautiful!!!! (what BEVERLY ANN did with her hair is amazing!).
Our 'Bronx girl' is wearing a long white dress, & while adjusting it, our 'eccentric short blond haired' tells her how her grandmother was happily married for 53 years, her mother 45, & when it comes to her own wedding she finishes: "i guess Frank & i went to the well once to often!":cheers:

We see then a very excited TOOTIE enter the house with a priest, GEORGE comes downstairs at the same time with URCHIN & tells him that he can give the bride away, & taking this as an invitation, our 'pre teenager' walks right in front of JO & says cheekily: "and how's my girl doing?"
Our 'Bronx girl' frowns at URCHIN & tells him menacingly:
"do it & die!!!!":mod:

LATINO GUY then makes an entrance, & at the sight of his ASTONISHING BRIDE TO BE JO, he exclaims: "wow Jo! You look beautiful!!!!!"
Next thing they have BEVERLY ANN playing the piano (she plays far better than JO i must say) & the brides of honour ready to parade......
Unfortunately the bell rings interrupting the rushed wedding, & when NATALIE opens the door, & comes face to face with an unknown man who happens to be from the 'IMMIGRATION', she knows 'There is going to be trouble!!!!!

IMMIGRATION OFFICER invites himself to the 'rushed wedding' (even though he's not invited) & seats comfortable in the sofa, to witness the charade....

Our girls then try our best to distract IMMIGRATION OFFICER: TOOTIE tellls him how she always cries at weddings, NATALIE starts to take pictures & exits discreetly into the shop to make a phone call to stall time (she has found out that if the wedding goes ahead, JO will have to stay married 2 years instead of 2 days) & away from that 'nasty man'!!!!

The priest then begins with his speech, but just when JO is about to answer YES, the phone rings, BLAIR answers is: it turns out to be NATALIE to warn her about the 2 years marriage etc...
Our 'pampered princess' then plays along: she starts telling our 'Bronx girl' that her father is on the phone, and a very GULLIBLE TOOTIE exclaims:
"Your father is here???? Wow isn't that great??????"
JO has to think very quickly about how to stall time, & then she babbles to the IMMIGRANT OFFICER that the tire of her father's car broke down, that there is going to be a delay & ask to speak to her 3 friends upstairs privately!!!!!!

Unfortunately the IMMIGRANT OFFICER doesn't buy any of this charade, & things get pretty ugly not to say uncomfortable: the priest exits hurriedly claiming his got tons of work to do at church, GEORGE tries to soften the IMMIGRANT OFFICER, failing miserably, but here comes BEVERLY ANN to the rescue & yells:
"Wait!!!! What about the PILGRIMS?????":brent:

Our 'eccentric short blond haired' tries to reason with IMMIGRANT OFFICER, about how when the 'PILGRIMS' came to America they didn't have any 'green card' either, that they are ALL immigrants in a way, & that if he has a job it's thanks to the government, that people came here back in time to look for a better life etc.... And the IMMIGRANT OFFICER (now somehow 'softened' after BEVERLY ANN's long speech) asks her:
"You're not going to start talking about the PILGRIMS, are you??????"patriot:

SOFTENED IMMIGRANT OFFICER then relents, babbles about how he doesn't have the heart to be mean, and reluctantly agrees to give LATINO MAN an hour: that he'll be outside waiting for him.......

As soon as SOFTENED IMMIGRANT OFFICER is out of sight, BEVERLY ANN runs upstairs to tell JO she has only an hour time to decide what to do, but the answer is obvious: she cannot go ahead with the wedding, & stay married for 2 years......
Our 'Bronx girl' goes back downstairs & tell GEORGE & URCHIN to go out & give her a private moment with LATINO MAN: our 'pre teenage' was for once very funny & gave the best answer of all:
"What am i, a PUDDLE?" (it looks like BEVERLY ANN is brushing up on him hee hee hee!!!!!)

Finally alone: JO & LATINO GUY have a bittersweet moment together, when they realize this is the last time they'll see each other, that in less than an hour he'll be gone.....
LATINO GUY asks our 'Bronx girl' for one last dance & after the music stops, a very MELANCHOLIC JO pleads with him not to leave, to give him a few minutes to look for a plan & heads hurriedly upstairs!!!!!

For the final scene, we see JO runs back downstairs ready for an elope plan: unfortunately LATINO GUY is gone, leaving her a bittersweet letter in which he explains to our 'Bronx girl' that he has turned himself in to the IMMIGRANT OFFICER, that he cannot go along with the plan & put her in jeopardy, that he will find a way to return & that he will NEVER forget her.......

Before end credits, we see a TEARFUL JO reading LATINO's GUY last words: he has left her a gift parked outside, & when our 'Bronx girl' discovers the bike & helmet, she has tears in her eyes.......:crybaby:

THE END.......

A rather 'bittersweet' episode but very good: i especially loved the fact that JO was willing to help an immigrant by marrying him, and also how her friends were with her all along, for better or worse!!!!!!:grouphug:

On another note: i have to say that i'm pleased URCHIN only has a few brief scenes (during season 7 he was always everywhere & annoyed the hell out of me!!!!). Don't you agree, cfr1970?????

:typing:

valentina warner

07-21-2020, 02:19 PM

FAST FOOD

We have TOOTIE enter in the house with BEVERLY ANN at her hills: our 'baby of the group' is trying to organize a date for our 'eccentric short blond haired' (i'm pleased to see how those 2 finally broke the ice) :grouphug

BLAIR & JO are next to enter the living room: our 'pampered princess' is babbling about how she needs to URGENTLY get a job in order to graduate and pass her business course, & keeps complaining about how all the decent jobs are taking etc....
Giving her a murderous look, our 'Bronx girl' tells her she should have gotten organized & not waited until the last minute to do that, but our 'pampered princess' continues to whine about how life is unfair bla bla bla.....:rotflmao:

Suddenly the phone rings & BEVERLY ANN yells that she'll get it, answers it & when a man tells her that his name is OLIVER THOMPSON, NOSY/GOSSIPY TOOTIE (who has probably been eavesdropping) coming running yelling:
"OLIVER THOMPSON???"
And then, smiling at our 'eccentric short blond haired', TOOTIE continues in a dramatic tone:
"Beverly Ann, before you speak to that special man, you've got to have the right attitude."
BEVERLY ANN doesn't want to compromise though, and grabbing the phone she intends to tell her date that she is not interested, but when she hears the man's voice she changes her mind:
"Hi Mr Thompson, this is Beverly Ann Tickles... A date? Tonight? Sure why not? 8 o' clock? Fine!" And then hangs up excited like a school girl on her first date!!!!! (isn't she adorable????)
NATALIE then comes downstairs & tells everyone that if SNAKES calls to tell him she's at 'SOMBREROS' (the new Mexican restaurant where she works), JO then tells BLAIR that she could maybe get a job there since it's on the student list, but our 'pampered princess' sneers:
"Jo, you're not serious about a Warner dipping her hands in some refried beans?"
Our 'Bronx girl' sneers back: "if you don't DIP it somewhere, you're not going to graduate!":clap

URCHIN then interrupts (i guess this time it was for a good cause) & tries to convince BLAIR, how working with NATALIE might be an easy way out, & succeeds: our 'pampered princess' smiles devilish, & walking towards our 'hardworking bubbly journalist', she begins to tell her how much fun it will for the 2 of them to work together, laugh & share etc.... and a SLIGHTLY IRRITATED JO barks:
"If you start singing we are the world i'm leaving!!!!":brent:

A VERY KIND NATALIE finally relents, & offers BLAIR the job at 'SOMBREROS'

We then focus on 'SOMBREROS', where NATALIE works as an 'assistant manager' for a rather FUSSY BOSS, who starts telling her about the cost of the ingredients (when he catches our 'bubbly journalist' give a customer a generous portion.)....

We then see BLAIR walk inside 'SOMBREROS' dressed like an 'executive' & disdainfully starts to criticize the place in the best possible way she can:
"Wow! This place is a quaint dump! Where is my office?"
An AMUSED NATALIE then tells our 'pampered princess' that this IS her office & here begins the most hilarious conversation between the 2 of them: our 'hardworking bubbly journalist' grabs a form & asks formal questions:
Nat: "name?"
Blair: "Whoopi Goldberg"
Nat: "address Miss Goldberg?"
Blair: "Natalie you lived with me for 8 years! You're probably wearing my pantihose!"
Nat: "i'm just trying to do this by the book Blair, & i borrowed these from Tootie. Age?"
Blair: "22."
Nat: "have you been sexually active these day?":rofl:

Back at 'Over our heads', we see a BEAUTIFULLY DRESSED BEVERLY ANN descend the stairs, ready to meet her date!!!!!!
URCHIN cannot help opening his mouth & exclaims:
"What a babe!"
Our 'eccentric short blond haired' is so nervous (it certainly looks like she hasn't been on a date in a million years!) she says she is ready to throw up!!!! (ha ha ha lol!)
TOOTIE then tells HOT BEVERLY ANN to relax, that it is only a DATE etc....
To make matters worse, the bell rings, and a VERY AGITATED BEVERLY ANN approaches JO (who is sitting on the sofa with URCHIN) & begs her to go on a date with MR MYSTERIOUS MAN instead:
"Jo you go on that date instead? He's never met me, & you can tell him you're from that village in Russia where they eat yogurt." :lol:

The bell rings again, & we see MR DATE entering: the introductions begins, & there is a clumsy & sweet moment between BEVERLY ANN & her BEAU: both of them start to babble like a couple of teenagers, and unable to resist himself, URCHIN steps in & asks:
"So what have u 2 kids have planned for this evening?":bouncers:

We then focus back at 'SOMBREROS' where ASSISTANT MANAGER NATALIE tells PRINCESS BLAIR to get out of her dressing room, that they don't have time to wait for her to get glamoured up etc.....
And then we see a MEXICAN BLAIR coming out, wearing her 'sombrero' & looking anything but happy: she starts whining about how miserable her life is asks BOSS NATALIE why she doesn't have to wear a 'sombrero' too, in which our 'hardworking bubbling journalist' replies:
"I'm the assistant manager: i can't dress like a fool!":cheers:

ASSISTANT MANAGER NATALIE then begins giving MEXICAN BLAIR instructions about the job: she shows her how to make 'tacos' but have to leave unexpectedly when the kitchen bell rings, & our 'pampered princess' is now left all alone & at the mercy of customers.....
To make matters worse, here comes the first customer asking for other things & INEXPERIENCED WORKER BLAIR hasn't got a clue how to make anything but 'tacos' & so she lies & tell the customer that they ONLY have 'tacos'!!!!!
As if things weren't bad enough, FUSSY MANAGER just walks in, & when he notices MEXICAN BLAIR prepare her first 'taco' he begins to make nasty comments on how how generous our 'pampered princess' is with the 'guacamole' (that man is really STINGY i swear!)

Unfortunately, MEXICAN BLAIR & STINGY MANAGER seem to clash & things go from bad to worse: unaware that he is the MANAGER of this place, our 'pampered princess' begins to complain about the quality of the food, describing the bad points so well that they lose a customer (who after hearing all the gross details on how bad the food quality is, decides to leave claiming he is on some 'whole fiber diet')

Still oblivious to who she is talking to, MEXICAN BLAIR keeps babbling how bad the food quality is, & SPEECHLESS STINGY MANAGER tells her how because of her they have lost a customer, & this is where things really take a turn to the worse: our 'pampered princess' has the audacity to tell STINGY MANAGER how in her opinion the manager of this place must be an idiot if he likes horrible quality food like this etc..... And then NATALIE walks in unexpectedly:
"Oh great! I see you 2 have met!"
And here begins the introductions:
Blair: "hi, i'm Blair Warner, student trainee"
Stingy manager: "and i'm the IDIOT manager" party:

ASSISTANT MANAGER NATALIE orders MEXICAN BLAIR to leave the kitchen before things get worse, & give her a job.
STINGY MANAGER gets nastier & nastier, & gives our 'hardworking bubbly journalist' an ultimatum: if STUDENT TRAINEE BLAIR screws one more time she's history..... And so is ASSISTANT MANAGER NATALIE if that happens!!!! Oops!!!!!:faint:

After NASTY STINGY MANAGER delivers the ultimatum to ASSISTANT MANAGER NATALIE, she decides to have a different approach to CLUMSY MEXICAN BLAIR: she tells her not to blow it &, to start waiting tables instead of doing kitchen duties.
Unfortunately it looks like our 'pampered princess' has been jinxed & appearances can be very deceiving: we see entering a PLEASANT LOOKING GRANNY, & MEXICAN BLAIR takes an instant liking at her.
As she takes her orders though, GRANNY is not what she seems to be: she begins to babble about how her doctor told her to avoid certain food, & if she can have substitutes, in which a VERY PATIENT BLAIR tells her not to worry & that she will see what she can do etc....

BEVERLY ANN & her DATE enter inside the restaurant, & here begins a romantic conversation, until our 'eccentric short blond haired' chocks while she chews on 'nachos & jalapenos':lol:

We then focus on 'Over our heads', where JO & TOOTIE are sitting in the living room sofa: our 'baby of the group' has a wonderful idea & decides they should go to 'SOMBREROS' to spy on BEVERLY ANN & her DATE, but our 'Bronx girl' just growls at her & gives her a murderous look......
NOSY TOOTIE doesn't give up though: she tells JO that she will miss seeing BLAIR make a fool of herself while waiting tables, and smiling devilishly, our 'Bronx girl' relents (meow!):cat:

Back to 'SOMBREROS',we focus on MEXICAN BLAIR & MANIPULATIVE GRANNY: the 'old bag' begins to manipulate our 'girl with the golden heart', by telling her how she will pass out if doesn't have her water soon, & on a whim tells her that she wants to change her order!!!!!!! (very very nasty granny!!!!)
To make matters even worse as they already are, JO & TOOTIE walk in as next, & start to distract MEXICAN BLAIR:
Our 'Bronx girl' is particularly nasty with our 'girl with the golden heart' & also catty!!!! She begins to make fun of her by calling her WARNER, MANIPULATIVE GRANNY takes advantage of the situation & also begins to call BLAIR by her surname, & tells her how 'uncooperative' she is, that she wants somebody else to serve her because she is unhappy with the service etc.... (i cannot believe how CATTY & NASTY they all are to BLAIR lol!!!!):horse:

Unable to take it any longer, a VERY FRUSTRATED BLAIR explodes & tells MANIPULATIVE GRANNY the truth on her face: that she is a fussy/trouble maker customer, who enjoys torturing hard working girls like her by making her life miserable, & this is when it really turns ugly!!!!!!
The 'old bag' turns out to be really nasty: she calls our 'girl with the golden heart' a CHEAPY!!!!!
And just when things are about to get even uglier, STINGY MANAGER walks in, & fires both MEXICAN BLAIR & ASSISTANT MANAGER NATALIE!!!!!!!! (although i am proud to say, that our 'girl with the golden heart' resigned herself: go girl go! Who wants to work with people who treat you so badly!)

Back at home, our 2 UNEMPLOYED GIRLS are having a hard time: NATALIE holds a grudge on BLAIR & refuses to talk to her, but our 'girl with the golden heart' doesn't give up that easily, & tries to cheer her up.
TOOTIE & JO then come downstairs, GRUMPY NATALIE leaves, mumbling that there is nothing to be cheerful about, & exists in the kitchen....

BLAIR then flashes her 'Cheshire cat' smile & tells JO & TOOTIE not to worry: that NATALIE will get her job back, cos she has phoned STINGY MANAGER & told him 'white lies/tales', about how her father is a chairman & can get him connections with the owner of some INTERNATIONAL TACOS INDUSTRY, & was looking for someone etc....
And of course our 'Bronx girl' barks: "in other words, you Warner your way out of another one?" (ha ha ha lol!!!!!)

BEVERLY ANN then enters into the living room dressed elegantly, babbling how she's going on another date with her BEAU & a very CATTY JO sneers:
"What, isn't Blair serving us?" (meow!!!!!!!!)

The bell then rings, & thinking that it's MR BEAU from BEVERLY ANN, a very elegantly dressed TOOTIE (i love her sense of fashion a lot as the later seasons i must say) opens it & surprise: standing in front of the door, is a very GUILTY STINGY MANAGER, asking for GREEN.......
A SLIGHTLY STUNNED TOOTIE then yells: "Green are you here?"
NATALIE then comes back into the living room, & at the sight of her BOSS she is stunned herself!!!!!!
GUILTY STINGY BOSS apologizes to our 'hardworking bubbly journalist', offering her the job back!!!!
Feigning surprised, BLAIR walks towards them exclaiming:
"Natalie! He's offering you the job!!!!
Still surprised, NATALIE asks our 'girl with the golden heart':
"What about your job?"
Blair: "don't worry, i'll get something."
Boss: "got help them!!!":brent:

A VERY HAPPY BEVERLY ANN then exclaims excited: "all well that ends well! As Shakespeare & my grandmother used to say!" And then exits, giggling like a school girl!!!!!

Alone, BLAIR vs STINGY MANAGER confront each other: he tells her, how he made a few phone calls & found out how there isn't any INTERNATIONAL TACOS INDUSTRY, TOOTIE then asks him why is he giving NATALIE her old job back, in which he replies:
"Because GREEN is a good worker, and they are very hard to find" & gives BLAIR a knowing look!!!! (ouch!!!!! meow!!!!!)

After STINGY MANAGER is out of sight, a VERY HAPPY BLAIR babbles how it went rather well, JO & TOOTIE then ask her how about her degree, & how is she going to get another job etc....
Our 'girl with the golden heart' has the best attitude though: she cheerfully tells them that she ALREADY has a job, & that they promised her she'd be an 'EASY A'!!!!! (isn't she just fantastic??????):birthday:

THE END......

A brilliant episode but with a few minuses: i didn't like at all JO's CATTY attitude towards BLAIR, nor the fact how she & TOOTIE sneaked over that fast food restaurant to make a fool of her!!!!! (you don't do that to a friend, & especially not on their first day at work!!! I honestly felt like hitting them!!!!)

On the other hand, i loved NATALIE's kindness & professional attitude all through the episode: she helped BLAIR get a job, & even though she got fired she couldn't hold a grudge towards our 'pampered princess' for too long....

I also admire BLAIR for holding her ground & not let anyone intimidate her on her first day at work, and although she got NATALIE fired, she redeemed herself in the end, by making sure that our 'generous hardworking bubbly journalist' got her job back!!!!! (our 'girl with the golden heart' proved once again, how caring she is)

So in this episode, this is how i decided to rate our characters:

1.NATALIE/BEVERLY ANN: our 'bubbly journalist' proved to be a generous friend, by offering one of her closest friend a job; Our 'eccentric short haired' is always there to offer comfort & lend a hand.

2. BLAIR: i respect & admire her for sticking up for herself & not let anyone intimidate her (go girl go!)

3. TOOTIE: she was kind to fix a date for BEVERLY ANN, but very sneaky for encouraging JO to spy & make a mockery of BLAIR.

4. JO: very very sneaky/catty attitude towards BLAIR on her first day work!!! (sorry, but you don't distract a friend & make a fool of them in front of everyone!!!!)

PS: BEVERLY ANN's date seemed rather 'old' for her (even though they're probably the same age).
I don't know why, but i'v always pictured our 'eccentric short blond haired' with a younger man hee hee hee!!!!!!

:groucho:

valentina warner

07-22-2020, 02:25 PM

WHERE'S POPPA

The opening begins with BEVERLY ANN sweeping the floor at 'Over our heads', & the next thing we see is URCHIN running inside in a hurry: apparently he is late, & trying to charm our 'eccentric short blond haired', he apologizes & tells her how he made a human effort to make it on time, that he couldn't find a place to park his 'jaguar' (nice try kid! You can't even drive!), in which BEVERLY ANN replies:
"Why don't you try taking the bus next time?":cheers:

JO is then the next one to enter inside the shop, looking anything but cheerful: apparently she had to walk because the bus was 20 miles away?
Anyway, as next we see BLAIR & TOOTIE entering 'Over our heads' chatting happily: our 'baby of the group' has landed a role as a performing juggler at the theatre DAVID WARNER has sponsored, & she starts babbling about what a great actress she is etc...
Our 'pampered princess' then begins to give her tips on how to act better, & then GRUMPY JO interrupts:
"Blair, just because your father has donated money for the theatre doesn't mean you can tell Tootie how to act?"
But BLAIR as an answer for everything:
"Of course it does!":rotflmao:

NATALIE is our next one to walk inside the shop, & she is holding a bunch of flowers in her hands: apparently they are for 'princess Blair', BEVERLY ANN sees them & is impressed, & when she asks who are they from, BLAIR cannot help bragging:
"They're probably from the college, they always show their gesture of gratitude by sending flowers."
Unfortunately, when BLAIR reads the note, she realizes it is from her father who has cancel their meeting, after something urgent came up.
BEVERLY ANN tries to cheer her up, but our 'girl with the golden heart' tells her not to worry, that she is used to it, & that life must go on.... (go girl go! That's the spirit!)patriot:

We then focus on TOOTIE & JO running down the stairs hurriedly: it's the next morning, & both girls have no time to eat breakfast & just grab a doughnut.
NATALIE who is sitting on the table is having 'whole fiber cereals' & begins to give them a sermon about college kids eating trash food instead of healthy proteins (she sounded & looked just like one of the 'Golden girls' with her hair up hee hee!).
GRUMPY JO has a good answer to give to GRANNY NAT though:
"And what have you been eating, scrap metal?":rofl:

GRANNY NATALIE ignores GRUMPY JO's sarcasm & wants to grab the morning paper while she eats her 'healthy breakfast', but SOPHISTICATED BLAIR takes it from her hands, claiming that who gets to buy the paper first, gets to read it!!!! (ha ha ha lol isn't she just hilarious?????)
Unfortunately, while our 'pampered princess' is begins to read the paper, she fails to notice the headlines of the front page: it's written in capital letters that DAVID WARNER HAS BEEN INDICTED!!!!!!

There is a deadly silence when everyone reads the headline from DAVID WARNER's eviction, and unaware of what's happening, BLAIR continues to read the papers until she notices her friends staring at her:
"Is something wrong?"
JO then blurts:
"Does your father still go by the name DAVID WARNER?"
BEVERLY ANN has the best question though:
"Is your father a middle aged man with a touch of grey, not overly photogenic?":brent:

Still oblivious of all the questions her friends are firing at her about her father, BLAIR just assume that the newspaper is probably talking about all the great donations he has done etc.....
Unfortunately, when our 'pampered princess' read the front page headlines that DAVID WARNER has been indicted, she freezes!!!!!!
TOOTIES starts babbling about how her parents are great lawyers & that it'll be a piece of cake for them to help BLAIR's father, but our 'pampered princess' is still unable to react, & NATALIE just blurts:
"Oops! I think she's in shock!"
BEVERLY ANN has the best reaction of all:
"Shock! What to do when you're in shock? I think you have to walk them around? No! Get a blanket? No, keep them cool.... No! I remember!"
And this is the moment i almost fell of the chair bursting in laugh:
Our 'eccentric short blond haired' slaps BLAIR hard on the face to get a reaction from her, & then right afterwards she hugs her tightly! (ha ha ha isn't she the best?????):lol:

A SLIGHTLY DISORIENTATED BLAIR then asks:
"What happened?"
And our 'Bronx girl' just replies:
"Don't worry Blair, you're with your friends, & Beverly Ann.":clap:

Still unable to believe that her father could have been indicted, BLAIR asks what could have possibly go wrong, that there must be a mistake with the papers.
BEVERLY ANN then reads aloud that DAVID WARNER has been accused of trading stock for profit etc...
Our 'pampered princess' doesn't buy it though: she strongly refuse to believe that her father has anything to do for what he's been accused of, & says that obviously someone is trying to get him.
TOOTIE is on BLAIR's side too: she tries her best to cheer her up, & feeling again like her old self, our 'pampered princess' begins to babble about how when she was a little girl, she was afraid of the Boogieman & that her father would always tell her:
"Honey you don't need to be afraid, we OWN the 'Boogieman!'":clap:

We then focus on TOOTIE (probably the next day) trying to do some juggling for her next play, JO then comes back from the Uni, & starts complaining about all everyone is talking about is BLAIR's father being indicted, BEVERLY ANN walks in as next, babbling about her red apples for her fruit salad, & then NATALIE come inside & bangs the door!
Apparently the newspaper has offered our 'bubbly journalist' a job, but she would need to write a story about DAVID WARNER's scandal, & outraged she refuses to do such a thing!!!!
BLAIR is finally the last one to arrive, claiming she had a rough day, that she met with her father & he looked terrible!
BEVERLY ANN immediately tries to cheer up our 'pampered princess', by telling her not to worry, that she probably has the best lawyer in the country in which BLAIR cheekily replies:
"Not in the country, in the world!" (ha ha lol!).
GRUMPY JO then barks, how she wishes her dad had a good lawyer too, & of course our 'eccentric short haired blond' begins to tell her a tale about some gambler named GOMBLE LOUI who never got a break, but our 'Bronx girl' is not satisfied: she glares at BEVERLY ANN & snarls:
"I have no idea who GOMBLE LOUI is (not sure about the spelling) but i'm sure i don't like him to be mention in the same sentence as my dad!":mod:

The next day, BLAIR packs her suitcase to stay with her father until the trial is over: TOOTIE then walks inside the room to asks her if she needs a hand with packing, & also to thank her for giving her speech for the ceremony at the theatre, NATALIE & BEVERLY ANN are all set for the big play too, but just when they're all about to leave, JO walks in with some unexpected news:
DAVID WARNER has plead guilty, so now the ceremony speech BLAIR was supposed to deliver tonight, has been cancelled......

A VERY DEVASTATED BLAIR is hiding in her room since her father has plead guilty, refusing to see anyone, & a VERY CARING BEVERLY ANN wonders if she should bring our 'pampered princess' some food upstairs, JO tells her not to worry, that everything will be fine etc....
TOOTIE then begins to babble about how the show must go on: that even though BLAIR needs them, she has to do her play because if she doesn't, somebody else might steal her limelight & she doesn't want to end up being an alcoholic leaving in the streets of New York after.... (ha ha ha lol!):yourock:

BLAIR then come downstairs, & when she notices her friends still standing with their coats undecided, she urges them to leave, that it's TOOTIE's big night & that she will be fine, and exits in the kitchen.
BEVERLY ANN doesn't buy it though:
"She really wants us to stay!":bouncers:

Just when they're about to leave though, the phone rings, & a VERY HYPER BEVERLY ANN starts 'flirting' on the phone with DAVID WARNER, who wants to talk to his daughter.
Just then, BLAIR returns from the kitchen, but when our 'eccentric short blond haired' tells her that her father is on the phone asking for her, our 'pampered princess' refuses to speak with him, leaving BEVERLY ANN no choice but tell DAVID WARNER that his daughter has gone out. (isn't our 'eccentric short haired blond' just adorable?????).

BEVERLY ANN tries to approach A VERY STUBBORN BLAIR but she refuses to have anything to do with her father, and giving up, her friends decide to leave her alone to go to TOOTIE's play: everyone except JO.......

Our 'Bronx girl' tries to reason with our 'pampered princess', and they have one of their tender moments that i so much love!!!!
BLAIR gives JO a knowing smile & begins reading her mind:
"I recognize that look on your face Jo. What happened to 'she's a big girl?'"
Jo: "that was for them."
Blair: "look, i know what you're going to say. That he is my father & that no matter what, he needs me right now."
Jo: "it's close."
Blair: "and then you're going to say, that there are enough people judging him without adding me to the list, right?"
Jo: "that's very good, but i'm not done yet."
Blair: "and then you're gonna ad, that i need to grow up & stop acting like a pampered brat, right?"
Jo: "you forgot spoiled!":cheers:

After their funny dialogue, it gets deep & emotional between JO & BLAIR though: our 'pampered princess' begins to tell our 'Bronx girl' how often her father has let her down in the past, but that it has never hurt so much like now, she asks her how come she got over it when her dad was in jail, in which JO replies:
"Who says i got over? I just got on with my life."
They hear a car beep outside, and just before JO leaves, she tries to reason with BLAIR one more time: she tells her that no matter how many mistakes her father has made, he would never turn his back on his daughter if she were in trouble.:grouphug:

The next day we're back at 'Over our heads' again, & everyone is talking about how great TOOTIE was on her play last night: suddenly DAVID WARNER walk inside asking for his daughter, & they all say at once that she is not there, that she went for a walk but he doesn't buy it:
"She doesn't want to talk to me, does she?"
TOOTIE then tells DAVID WARNER that BLAIR is pretty devastated, BEVERLY ANN then offers him a cup of coffee, & they both go to the living room to wait for his daughter.

We then focus on the living room, where DAVID WARNER & BEVERLY ANN are having a 'heart to heart' talk about BLAIR: our 'eccentric short blond haired' tells the handsome middle aged man, how those 4 girls are the daughters she never had, that she never had any children of her own because things didn't work out with her ex, that he shouldn't give up on his daughter etc...

BLAIR then returns unexpectedly, & at the sight of her father she smiles at him surprised. BEVERLY ANN decides to exit to give them some privacy, and here we finally have the most tender heart moment, when we witness a 'heart to heart' talk, between father and daughter.......

DAVID WARNER confesses to his daughter that he took the blame for his own father: (who was the REAL 'culprit' behind all this scandal) that he couldn't let an old man go to jail because it would kill him, that himself on the other hand was relatively young, & it'd be easier for him to face a suspended sentence.

Moved by her father's confession, BLAIR decides to read him the speech she was going to deliver at the theatre:
She tells him what a generous man he is for sharing his fortune with the less fortunate ones, how he has always helped the younger generation fulfill their dreams, and how she is proud to call this man her father.....
A very MOVED & TEARY DAVID tells BLAIR:
"I love you too, princess".... And they both hug!!!!!:bighug:

THE END......

A very heart warming episode!!!!!
I especially loved the BLAIR & DAVID WARNER 'heart to heart' talk: it was the first time they hugged, & when i saw the tears in his eyes, i was so moved i was close to tears myself!!!!
Definitely a 100% episode: a very refreshing father & daughter moment that you rarely see in wealthy families......

This episode has put DAVID WARNER's into a different perspective for me: i used to find him cold & distant, but now he comes into my top list of the girl's father, so here it goes:

1. CHARLIE POLNIACZEK
2. DAVID WARNER
3. MR RAMSEY (i can't remember Tootie's father name)
4.MR GREEN (i can't remember Natalie's father name)

PS: i put NATALIE's father at the bottom, cos she cheated her mother!

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