For you, what are the reasons of its success for 9 years, 201 episodes, two tv movies?

My list:
- Great chemistry between Charlotte Rae and the girls
- You can relate to every character
- The stories are funny when they do comedy and serious with issues

The real life friendships between the actresses. No way it would have lasted 9 years if they didn’t like each other.

Plus the actresses were pretty much the age of their characters they portrayed and they rarely strayed off into unrealistic episodes like what happened on Family Matters.

The one character I had most trouble relating to was Jo.

The real life friendships between the actresses. No way it would have lasted 9 years if they didn’t like each other.

Good point! I remember season 5 on Three's Company when Suzanne Somers was in a contract dispute, when Chrissy was on screen, the other two were very nervous in the scenes with her:lol::lol::lol:. Luckily, Nancy McKeon's dispute ended after two episodes :lol::lol::lol:

Plus the actresses were pretty much the age of their characters they portrayed and they rarely strayed off into unrealistic episodes like what happened on Family Matters.

The one character I had most trouble relating to was Jo.

Another good point!

I'm not a huge fan of Jo (and of Nancy M. in general), I like her but that's it:lol::lol::lol:

Also it's been mentioned here how it's like different shows throughout the years. I think those changes definitely contributed to it's longevity. The Cafeteria Years, the change to Edna's Edibles, then Over Our Heads, then to them all full grown women out in the world. It was like 4 different shows.

And the fact that they didn't keep them stuck in HS for 9 years also contributed. We got to see them all graduate Eastland and move on to college and then out into the world. Keeping it based in a realistic timeline was definitely a positive for the show endurance.

If they were all still at Eastland by the mid 80's I think viewers would've started tuning out in droves.

For you, what are the reasons of its success for 9 years, 201 episodes, two tv movies?

My list:
- Great chemistry between Charlotte Rae and the girls
- You can relate to every character
- The stories are funny when they do comedy and serious with issues

Well, about the success. The show probably shouldn't have run for nine seasons. By the end, they had already run out of plot ideas, most of the original cast had long since departed (even the star), and even the scripts seemed to suggest the actresses were ready to move on. The writing didn't feel realistic anymore.

For example, in episode 8-11, Natalie submits a story to a magazine, which is rejected. Tootie starts reading a story out of the magazine to Natalie, who realizes it's her own writing (big coincidence that out of all the magazines published, Tootie just happens to read a story to Natalie that Natalie wrote, and an even bigger coincidence that the story that's plagiarized is the same one she just submitted to the same exact magazine), and then, in a third coincidence, it turns out the person plagiarizing the story is someone they know: Andy's grandmother. Who somehow submitted the story to the same magazine before Natalie had a chance to. The writing elements are backwards, but they didn't need to be: they easily could have made Natalie's story get rejected because the magazine felt it was plagiarized, eliminating the need for Tootie to read the story out loud to Natalie. It's these sorts of writing miscues that makes the viewer realize that no-one's paying attention to the writing anymore.

In that same episode, there are references to Andy's parents going to Europe, and Andy being taken care of by his grandmother. Yet just two months later, in episode 8-19, Beverly Ann has to adopt Andy(!) because his foster parents have split up, and there's no mention of his grandmother, or the recent trip to Europe. It's like there's no consistency between the episodes.

I really feel the show should have ended when Mrs. Garrett left. If Charlotte Rae wasn't interested in being there anymore, they should have wrapped up the storylines and called it a day. There's nothing that says a show that wraps after seven seasons is less successful than a show that runs nine seasons. Sure, everyone continued making money on the series, but at what cost to the art?

I think this show worked for all this time because the show kept reinventing itself throughout the years. That was the secret sauce of this show’s longevity. The new writers, the cast purge, the new time slot and the retooling of the show in seasons 2, 5, 7 and 8 played a huge role in the show’s success. Had it not been for this, the show may not have survived.

I know a lot of lost girls fans will say the cast purge was a mistake, but for me, it was a necessary evil that kept the show running. I don’t think the show would have continued to work if it focused on 8 girls in the multi-camera and 30 minute sitcom format. We could speculate what would have happened if the show had been retooled to acclimate the lost girls, but I don’t think they needed all those girls to tell a good story. Yes, there were other shows that had large casts but I think a change in the dynamic of the show was necessary to make this show survive. It kept the show fresh and not stale. We really saw in later years when there were add-on characters that it really didn’t work for them to be there and distracted away from the message of the original show and the winning formulaic dynamic of the core 4. When the show was reinvented with Edna’s Edibles, Over Our Heads and Beverly Ann eras, that helped the show keep the close-knit characters together (although by season 9 we started to seem them drift apart).

To me, the great blend of comedy and drama (or dramedy) format of the show, the chemistry of the characters, and the groundbreaking storylines and characters pulled this show together and made it a hit. It also helped that NBC kept this show in a good time slot behind its successor and other hit shows.

That’s just my 2 cents why this show worked.

To me it was definitely the great chemistry MRS G had with all the girls: how she was able to blend/relate to any of them regarding their class and personality.

One day, out of the blues, a HOUSEKEEPER shows up at an all girls school and bond with them right away (even with BLAIR when she was the naughtiest girl).
At first, she clashes with the nervous/eccentric headmaster, she then gets offered a job as a HOUSEMOTHER, and from then on, she would become the wisest, warmest and confidante to all the 'Eastland' girls and form a tight bond with a few of them: at first 7, and eventually 4.....

I think this show worked for all this time because the show kept reinventing itself throughout the years.

I strongly agree with you that the reinvention of the show, again and again, kept the show fresh for viewing audiences. But don't you ever feel the show sort of falls apart when examining all the reboots? By the end, nearly all of the original characters are gone, with a nearly completely different cast in place. We see a similar situation with Designing Women. Had The Golden Girls replaced Blanche and Dorothy with an Australian Golden Girl and a Texan Golden Girl for the final two seasons, it would have resembled what FOL and DW did. Which, to me, is unthinkable.

Anyway, thanks, as always, for your take.

To me it was definitely the great chemistry MRS G had with all the girls: how she was able to blend/relate to any of them regarding their class and personality.

That's a really good point, Valentina: Mrs. Garrett could relate to any of the girls, despite their very different backgrounds. It didn't matter if the girl was a trouble-making gang-banger, an elite preppy snob, an African-American girl who liked to gossip, a Jewish girl who liked to crack wise, or a willowy young tomboy not sure of where she fit in life. Mrs. Garrett taught them all life lessons. And while the girls have sometimes stated that Charlotte wasn't motherly on set to them, it's undeniable that there was major chemistry between Mrs. Garrett and her girls, at least during the first six seasons, before Pod Edna took over.

Tom Kennedy is still among us at 93 years old.

That's a really good point, Valentina: Mrs. Garrett could relate to any of the girls, despite their very different backgrounds. It didn't matter if the girl was a trouble-making gang-banger, an elite preppy snob, an African-American girl who liked to gossip, a Jewish girl who liked to crack wise, or a willowy young tomboy not sure of where she fit in life. Mrs. Garrett taught them all life lessons. And while the girls have sometimes stated that Charlotte wasn't motherly on set to them, it's undeniable that there was major chemistry between Mrs. Garrett and her girls, at least during the first six seasons, before Pod Edna took over.



Very well described [B]Retro[/B!

In order, the girls were JO, BLAIR, TOOTIE, NATALIE and CINDY (what about the others?).

Although i liked to think that BLAIR was more than just your basic 'elite preppy snob' (she certainly was more 'rebellious' on the pilot and season 1).

And yes, MRS G was a POD during season 7 (on her last episode on season 8 'Out of Peekskills', she reverts to herself to say goodbye to her girls).

I really don't buy it that CHARLOTTE RAE wasn't motherly to them: there is too much of MRS G in CHARLOTTE + the girls got on so well with her on and off set too! (So much, that after 15 years, they reunited again for 'REUNION 2001' movie, although minus JO).:wave::wave::wave:

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I strongly agree with you that the reinvention of the show, again and again, kept the show fresh for viewing audiences. But don't you ever feel the show sort of falls apart when examining all the reboots? By the end, nearly all of the original characters are gone, with a nearly completely different cast in place. We see a similar situation with Designing Women. Had The Golden Girls replaced Blanche and Dorothy with an Australian Golden Girl and a Texan Golden Girl for the final two seasons, it would have resembled what FOL and DW did. Which, to me, is unthinkable.

Anyway, thanks, as always, for your take.

The show did fall a part near the end, but also, it also fell a part at the very beginning as well. As we know, over the course of the series, there were characters who suddenly disappeared, new characters being added who served very little purpose for the plot, timelines that didn't make sense, episodes where characters behaved and veered differently from their original self, and character progressions and arcs that didn't make much sense. The show had its ups and downs, much like life. The show had to adapt and make changes along the way to see what worked and what didn't work.

By the end of season 9, it definitely was a shell of its former self. Only 3 of the original characters remained, and they've had all very much changed, and it seemed like all the characters were aloof or going in their own direction.

For me, it's difficult for me to draw that comparison to The Golden Girls. If I were to compare it to how the show could have changed similar in vein to The Facts of Life in the later years, I think characters personalities would change and minor characters would be sprinkled into the show. Possibly, Dorothy and Sophia would become much more softer, Blanche would be less flirtatious, more career and community minded, and Rose would be less naive. New supplement characters would be brought in. So some spark would be gone.

But in The Facts of Life, I don't believe anyone was actually ever replaced, so for me, I don't think it would be like The Golden Girls losing two people from the original quartet. In my opinion, new characters supplemented previous ones or were brought in to change the dynamic, but not replaced in The Facts of Life. For a great part of the show, our core 4 were the heart of this show, and it was only Jo who had been brought in, but not to replace, but to supplement.

I think the main elements were the constant reinventing and the cast changes.

Some "Cheers" fans hated to see Diane go, but the show probably wouldn't have gone for ELEVEN YEARS without such a pivotal cast change going from Diane to Rebecca.


The real life friendships between the actresses. No way it would have lasted 9 years if they didn’t like each other.

Good point!

A show can last with actors hating each other, as well as movies, IF the actors are professional to pull it off and indeed act. The prime example of this is "I Love Lucy" where William Frawley and Vivian Vance (Fred & Ethel) got off to a really bad start and DETESTED each other, but you'd never know it watching the show.


Had The Golden Girls replaced Blanche and Dorothy with an Australian Golden Girl and a Texan Golden Girl for the final two seasons, it would have resembled what FOL and DW did. Which, to me, is unthinkable.

Well, in DW's defense, Jean Smart decided on her own to leave at the time when Delta was going.

A show can last with actors hating each other, as well as movies, IF the actors are professional to pull it off and indeed act. The prime example of this is "I Love Lucy" where William Frawley and Vivian Vance (Fred & Ethel) got off to a really bad start and DETESTED each other, but you'd never know it watching the show.



True but they were also a pretty argumental couple :lol:

It’s true that a show can last with actors hating each other. I heard that Bea Arthur absolutely couldn’t stand Betty White and The Golden Girls lasted 7 seasons.

True but they were also a pretty argumental couple :lol:

Yes, but they did so in a fun way. And could still smile and cuddle each other! :lol:


It’s true that a show can last with actors hating each other. I heard that Bea Arthur absolutely couldn’t stand Betty White and The Golden Girls lasted 7 seasons.

Well, I think folks like to make more of that than there is. Betty did confirm Bea was "not fond" of her, but she said nothing bad ever happened on set, and Bea would always wait for Betty when it was lunchtime for the show and Bea wouldn't go for lunch without Betty with them. I like that. :)

A show can last with actors hating each other, as well as movies, IF the actors are professional to pull it off and indeed act. The prime example of this is "I Love Lucy" where William Frawley and Vivian Vance (Fred & Ethel) got off to a really bad start and DETESTED each other, but you'd never know it watching the show.

Well, I think folks like to make more of that than there is. Betty did confirm Bea was "not fond" of her, but she said nothing bad ever happened on set, and Bea would always wait for Betty when it was lunchtime for the show and Bea wouldn't go for lunch without Betty with them. I like that. :)


It depends on how bad they hate each other. There's been shows where one of the leads leave because of a cast member they dislike. The Facts of Life is a cast ensemble show. If any of the core four left because of fighting, the show wouldn't have come back.

Bea Arthur's dislike of Betty White showed a lot onscreen. That's why I don't care for The Golden Girls. You can tell she gets pleasure out of hitting Betty on the head with newspapers or magazines during the scenes Dorothy does that in irritation of Rose. I remember Rue saying in an interview that Estelle Getty felt relieved when they did The Golden Palace because Bea wasn't there. I guess Bea caused a lot of tension on set.

Desperate Housewives is a little similar to The Golden Girls. As it's been reported Teri Hatcher was stuck up on set and didn't get close to the other three actresses. There were so many stories as the show went on that involved Teri's character drifting out of the core four. It did damage the show. Ratings suffered because fans wanted the friendship of the characters to be shown more but in real life only three of their core four like each other. Even in their live stream reunion a week or two ago, Teri didn't participate and the ones that did hardly even mention her. It does affect a show badly if the performers do not like each other.

It depends on how bad they hate each other. There's been shows where one of the leads leave because of a cast member they dislike. The Facts of Life is a cast ensemble show. If any of the core four left because of fighting, the show wouldn't have come back.

Bea Arthur's dislike of Betty White showed a lot onscreen. That's why I don't care for The Golden Girls. You can tell she gets pleasure out of hitting Betty on the head with newspapers or magazines during the scenes Dorothy does that in irritation of Rose. I remember Rue saying in an interview that Estelle Getty felt relieved when they did The Golden Palace because Bea wasn't there. I guess Bea caused a lot of tension on set.

Desperate Housewives is a little similar to The Golden Girls. As it's been reported Teri Hatcher was stuck up on set and didn't get close to the other three actresses. There were so many stories as the show went on that involved Teri's character drifting out of the core four. It did damage the show. Ratings suffered because fans wanted the friendship of the characters to be shown more but in real life only three of their core four like each other. Even in their live stream reunion a week or two ago, Teri didn't participate and the ones that did hardly even mention her. It does affect a show badly if the performers do not like each other.

Vivian Vance and William Fawley hated one another, but you could never see that on the show.

Happy Days is another show where most of the cast (with the exception of Erin Moran) got along well and you could see it. Same with the Andy Griffith Show.

It depends on how bad they hate each other. There's been shows where one of the leads leave because of a cast member they dislike. The Facts of Life is a cast ensemble show. If any of the core four left because of fighting, the show wouldn't have come back.

Bea Arthur's dislike of Betty White showed a lot onscreen. That's why I don't care for The Golden Girls. You can tell she gets pleasure out of hitting Betty on the head with newspapers or magazines during the scenes Dorothy does that in irritation of Rose. I remember Rue saying in an interview that Estelle Getty felt relieved when they did The Golden Palace because Bea wasn't there. I guess Bea caused a lot of tension on set.

Desperate Housewives is a little similar to The Golden Girls. As it's been reported Teri Hatcher was stuck up on set and didn't get close to the other three actresses. There were so many stories as the show went on that involved Teri's character drifting out of the core four. It did damage the show. Ratings suffered because fans wanted the friendship of the characters to be shown more but in real life only three of their core four like each other. Even in their live stream reunion a week or two ago, Teri didn't participate and the ones that did hardly even mention her. It does affect a show badly if the performers do not like each other.


I never liked Teri Hatcher and glad her career hit the skids after DH. It's nice to know the other 3 women liked each other although the only one I still like is Marcia Cross.
Felicity Huffman had that college scandal that put me off to her forever, and Eva Longoria goes through men like people go through underwear. She seems pretty needy with all those quick relationships she goes through.

If Bea hated Betty it doesn't bother me. I may be in the minority, but I can see through Betty's sweet, wholesome act. I mean, I do love her but she coasted for decades on that phony act of hers and it very well could be she's an ice queen in real life and Bea saw it first hand.

Have you ever known someone who is sickly sweet to everyone but when you're alone with them you see the inner bitch come out that no one else gets to see? I have and it can really get on your nerves!!

Besides, it was always hysterical when Bea hit her over the head with the newspaper. "Hand me that paper Rose, (hands paper)....."No the sports section please"....(hands sports section)....SLAM, right over the head with it! :lol::lol:

I never liked Teri Hatcher and glad her career hit the skids after DH. It's nice to know the other 3 women liked each other although the only one I still like is Marcia Cross.
Felicity Huffman had that college scandal that put me off to her forever, and Eva Longoria goes through men like people go through underwear. She seems pretty needy with all those quick relationships she goes through.

Teri was a diva on set and wanted to be the star of the show. From what's been said, she was jealous the other actresses were getting liked more than her. She stopped talking to the other actresses to the point of not even saying hello. It was uncomfortable for them. I love how Eva in the reunion interview talks about how Felicity and Marcia came off hit TV shows before Desperate Housewives and took her under their wing to help her with the success of that show. It really shows Teri was selfish to not want to help everyone on the show with keeping it a success.

Marcia is the reason I started watching Desperate Housewives. I was still big on Melrose Place in the early 2000's with reruns on SoapNet and watched a lot of her work besides Melrose Place. I was excited when I learned she was on a new show starting that 2004 TV season and even downloaded the unaired pilot that was floating around online to see what the show would be like. I could tell from the pilot, Marcia was going to be the hit with fans because her character was way more complex than the others.

So this is way off topic but I feel bad for Felicity. She's getting all the blame when you know William Macy was also involved. He gets to still act on his show Shameless and be liked by fans while Felicity gets prosecuted and sent to prison regardless how many days it was. At least with Lori Loughlin, they're getting her husband too. It should be both parents since you know they both broke the law.

If Bea hated Betty it doesn't bother me. I may be in the minority, but I can see through Betty's sweet, wholesome act. I mean, I do love her but she coasted for decades on that phony act of hers and it very well could be she's an ice queen in real life and Bea saw it first hand.

Have you ever known someone who is sickly sweet to everyone but when you're alone with them you see the inner bitch come out that no one else gets to see? I have and it can really get on your nerves!!

Besides, it was always hysterical when Bea hit her over the head with the newspaper. "Hand me that paper Rose, (hands paper)....."No the sports section please"....(hands sports section)....SLAM, right over the head with it! :lol::lol:

To be honest, I prefer Bea over Betty. Acting wise, Bea does a better job. Rose was written so cartoony that it also killed my interest to stay a fan rewatching the show like I do The Facts of Life.

I don't know if I would say Betty has an inner bitch. She seems genuinely nice. She doesn't have the diva attitude and which is great. She returned to Mama's Family for an episode and decided to stick with Hot in Cleveland even though she was only supposed to be in the first episode. She loves animals and donates to charities to help them. She may be a nice woman in real life :)

Vivian Vance and William Fawley hated one another, but you could never see that on the show.

Exactly.


Bea Arthur's dislike of Betty White showed a lot onscreen.

I don't think so.


That's why I don't care for The Golden Girls. You can tell she gets pleasure out of hitting Betty on the head with newspapers or magazines during the scenes Dorothy does that in irritation of Rose.

I don't see any extra pleasure Bea is getting. I see Dorothy doing what Dorothy is supposed to do. I think so many interpretations of the Bea/Betty thing has some fans looking for things to see (I know you're not a fan, I'm just being general).


I remember Rue saying in an interview that Estelle Getty felt relieved when they did The Golden Palace because Bea wasn't there. I guess Bea caused a lot of tension on set.

Yes, by season 5 Bea was getting restless. She was wanting to (Justin) branch out into other things. By season 7, she was so unhappy and was wanting the show to be done. Which by that point, thanks to the newer generation of writers writing more "caricature" than "character", it might as well have been ending anyway.


I may be in the minority, but I can see through Betty's sweet, wholesome act. I mean, I do love her but she coasted for decades on that phony act of hers and it very well could be she's an ice queen in real life and Bea saw it first hand.

She couldn't be an ice queen and be loved by so many people in her personal life. I don't think she's "phony". People can be really sweet and nice but still have a wicked wit, like her.

I've noticed you love to look at things through a negative lens sometimes! :lol:


To be honest, I prefer Bea over Betty. Acting wise, Bea does a better job. Rose was written so cartoony that it also killed my interest to stay a fan rewatching the show like I do The Facts of Life.

They were both fantastic. If anyone else but Betty had played Rose, Rose would have been too pathetic and unbelievable. Betty did her just right.


She seems genuinely nice. She doesn't have the diva attitude and which is great. She returned to Mama's Family for an episode and decided to stick with Hot in Cleveland even though she was only supposed to be in the first episode. She loves animals and donates to charities to help them. She may be a nice woman in real life.

She "may be"? lol...I believe she is, otherwise she wouldn't be America's treasure (well, "America except cfr's treasure" :lol:).

Yes, by season 5 Bea was getting restless. She was wanting to (Justin) branch out into other things. By season 7, she was so unhappy and was wanting the show to be done. Which by that point, thanks to the newer generation of writers writing more "caricature" than "character", it might as well have been ending anyway.

I have to say that some of the most hysterical scenes were during that final season. It's like they just let loose and made those girls funny as all hell. It may have veered into caricature, but the laughs were still there and at times even got better. :)




She couldn't be an ice queen and be loved by so many people in her personal life. I don't think she's "phony". People can be really sweet and nice but still have a wicked wit, like her.

I've noticed you love to look at things through a negative lens sometimes! :lol:


I prefer cynical over negative. :cool:

But seriously, none of us know Betty personally, and if Bea had this intense dislike for her, there had to be a valid reason. I'm not saying Betty is this hell on wheels person, because I don't know her personally. BUT it's entirely possible that she has a mean streak in her and Bea felt the wrath of it first hand.
Who knows? Maybe it was Betty who didn't like Bea and treated her different causing Bea to treat her back the same? No one really knows, but i'm siding with Bea here only because I don't think she was being irrational towards Betty and there had to be valid reasons behind her alleged behavior towards her.


They were both fantastic. If anyone else but Betty had played Rose, Rose would have been too pathetic and unbelievable. Betty did her just right.

I could see Cloris Leachman doing a really good Rose Nylund. When watching her on FOL, i'm also noticing how she has a tiny bit of Rose in that character and I think she would've been a good fit had Betty never taken the part.

I prefer cynical over negative. :cool:

Ah, yes! That's it. ;)


But seriously, none of us know Betty personally, and if Bea had this intense dislike for her, there had to be a valid reason.

No there didn't. Sometimes people just plain don't get along. Just personality clashes. And in this case we have Betty who came from the world of live television and enjoyed cutting up with the audience during bloopers and between takes, and Bea who came from the world of theater and would not acknowledge the audience during the TV taping process.


I'm not saying Betty is this hell on wheels person, because I don't know her personally. BUT it's entirely possible that she has a mean streak in her and Bea felt the wrath of it first hand.

I don't think so.


Who knows? Maybe it was Betty who didn't like Bea and treated her different causing Bea to treat her back the same?

No, there's no evidence of that. In fact, Betty says she adored Bea. And she just wished it had been mutual.


No one really knows, but i'm siding with Bea here only because I don't think she was being irrational towards Betty and there had to be valid reasons behind her alleged behavior towards her.

Again, I disagree. Bea is the only person in the entire universe in the history of mankind who did not like Betty White. :lol: (she was the Loki! ;) :lol:) Why be cynical and try to see trouble with only one person not loving her? I think it's just the reasons I mentioned above. Haven't you ever simply had a personality clash with someone?

Boy, are you cynical! :lol: :p


I could see Cloris Leachman doing a really good Rose Nylund. When watching her on FOL, i'm also noticing how she has a tiny bit of Rose in that character and I think she would've been a good fit had Betty never taken the part.

Yeah, I do agree with that! :nod:

To be honest i always found BETTY WHITE adorable! In the movie 'THE PROPOSAL', she was fantastic and played this sweet but feisty old lady, along side SANDRA BULLOCK and RYAN REYNOLD!

Vivian Vance and William Fawley hated one another, but you could never see that on the show.

Happy Days is another show where most of the cast (with the exception of Erin Moran) got along well and you could see it. Same with the Andy Griffith Show.

What was the problem with Erin Moran? :confused:

Uh oh, looks like I opened a can of worms when I mentioned The Golden Girls :boxing: :lol:

Uh oh, looks like I opened a can of worms when I mentioned The Golden Girls :boxing: :lol:

No :lol: 80sSitcoms and I have talked prior to this about Bea and Betty. We agree to disagree. That's why there's no hard core fighting between us...unlike what Bea did to Betty :bash: :p

What was the problem with Erin Moran? :confused:

She never showed up at reunion shows and said she was unhappy on the set. She had a downward sprial similar to Dana Plato. Went broke and was living in poverty in the last few years of her life.

She never showed up at reunion shows and said she was unhappy on the set. She had a downward sprial similar to Dana Plato. Went broke and was living in poverty in the last few years of her life.

I've never heard of this before. Thanks for the answer!

I've never heard of this before. Thanks for the answer!

Scott Baio acted like a total jerk after Erin's death. Her brother and Scott got into a really bitter Twitter War that even discussed the size of Scott's "manhood". Totally was bizarre.

Scott Baio acted like a total jerk after Erin's death. Her brother and Scott got into a really bitter Twitter War that even discussed the size of Scott's "manhood". Totally was bizarre.

What??:eek::eek:. Bizarre and disrespectful. I hate Social Network Wars between celebrities

I have never been a Scott Baio fan. His character Chauncey seem pretty conceited and full of himself. Reports came out that Scott was the same way himself at the time and the cast had to do a few things to get him under control. His behavior hasn't changed much since.

I hope his cousin Jimmy Baio who appeared on a couple of FOL episodes as a Bates boy is not the same way.
https://www.nickiswift.com/108267/shady-scott-baio/

Uh oh, looks like I opened a can of worms when I mentioned The Golden Girls :boxing: :lol:


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Scott Baio acted like a total jerk after Erin's death. Her brother and Scott got into a really bitter Twitter War that even discussed the size of Scott's "manhood". Totally was bizarre.

Yikes how sad :(:eek:

I have never been a Scott Baio fan. His character Chauncey seem pretty conceited and full of himself. Reports came out that Scott was the same way himself at the time and the cast had to do a few things to get him under control. His behavior hasn't changed much since.

I hope his cousin Jimmy Baio who appeared on a couple of FOL episodes as a Bates boy is not the same way.
https://www.nickiswift.com/108267/shady-scott-baio/

I never watched HD religiously as I did (and still do) with Facts and I didn't like his character too. And his behavior hasn't changed? Too bad :(
Now that I remember, years and years ago (like 12-13 years) I read an article on FB about the reasons of Ron Howard's departure from the show, saying that he didn't like the show's atmosphere at that point and he wasn't getting along with the crew. At the time, I thought it wasn't true but, now that you gave me all these details, I start to think it was

I think interesting, loveable and relatable characters.

The friendships.

The wonderful chemistry between all the actors and actresses on the show.

1. I liked what Nancy Mckeon said in the 2014 Reunion panel, that each of them had character specific episodes. (That way I can skip past Blair and Natalie episodes when I wanted to LOL). My favorite episodes were the ones centered around Tootie and Jo.

2. I liked that the main black character was NOT a negative racial stereotype (Upper middle class, 2 black lawyer parents, not from the "ghetto" or "hood") Tootie's character had a lot of focus and we got to see her whole entire family (brother, parents, Aunt and Uncle).

1. I liked what Nancy Mckeon said in the 2014 Reunion panel, that each of them had character specific episodes. (That way I can skip past Blair and Natalie episodes when I wanted to LOL). My favorite episodes were the ones centered around Tootie and Jo.

2. I liked that the main black character was NOT a negative racial stereotype (Upper middle class, 2 black lawyer parents, not from the "ghetto" or "hood") Tootie's character had a lot of focus and we got to see her whole entire family (brother, parents, Aunt and Uncle).




I can't believe you said you skip the BLAIR and NATALIE's episodes??? (those 2 are the best lol!!!!!).
I don't even skip the JO focused episodes, and she's one of my least favourite, sorry to disagree with you....

Actually, my range from favorite to least favourite is quite opposite to yours:

1. BLAIR/MRS G
2. NATALIE
3. JO/TOOTIE (i can't decide now).

I guess we all have different tastes, but i would never SKIP anything relating the 'Core of 4' (even though i have my favourites):
Each girl has a special personality of their own, and that's what made the FOL episodes wonderful.....

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