Has anyone noticed how the 'Lost girls' changed towards the 'Core of 4' after season 1?

I was just having a rerun, and a few points came to my attention: for instance,

1. SUE ANN's relationship towards BLAIR becomes cold and distant: on the episode 'Front page' she just her eyes at her, and shakes her head annoyed during classes.

2. CINDY, who was normally the sweetest one acts really mean and nasty towards NATALIE: on the episode 'Sex symbol' she accuses her of being 'easy' with boys and snarls at her.

3. NANCY is the only one who remains intact with them (although on the episode 'Sex symbol' she is also nasty to NAT).

What does anyone else think?:p:p:p

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I thought it was in char for Sue Ann to shake her head at Blair picking fashion for some hard hitting story. The s1 Sue Ann probably would've made a quip but I guess they didnt have time for that. :lol:

Yeah, the Lost Girls do become antagonistic towards the Core Four... or at least Blair, Tootie, and Natalie, with whom they were very close during S1. It's not horrible, because they clearly still sit together and talk (like in "Gossip"), but their relationship definitely changes.

But the writers clearly wanted the Core Four to click, and that was, in their minds, only possible if there was a distancing between the Core Four and the Lost Girls. That's why, for example, we start seeing Molly hang around that snob, Margo, instead of hanging out with Blair, Tootie, and Natalie. And Sue Ann, for example, would have hung around Blair, waiting for Blair to finish her chores. But we never see that.

Instead, the writers so isolate the Lost Girls from the Core Four that they force them away even in scenes where they could have provided much continuity. So we don't see the Lost Girls in "The Four Musketeers" or "Graduation", episodes where their presence was necessary. In "The Four Musketeers", the Core Four are finally released from their probation, so they properly should have gone back to the Lost Girls. That didn't happen, and instead, those girls aren't even mentioned. Natalie begins hanging out with Brenda, a girl we've never heard of before, and with the personality of a rock. :lol:

Has anyone noticed how the 'Lost girls' changed towards the 'Core of 4' after season 1?

I was just having a rerun, and a few points came to my attention: for instance,

1. SUE ANN's relationship towards BLAIR becomes cold and distant: on the episode 'Front page' she just her eyes at her, and shakes her head annoyed during classes.

2. CINDY, who was normally the sweetest one acts really mean and nasty towards NATALIE: on the episode 'Sex symbol' she accuses her of being 'easy' with boys and snarls at her.

3. NANCY is the only one who remains intact with them (although on the episode 'Sex symbol' she is also nasty to NAT).

What does anyone else think?:p:p:p

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Molly also changed. She went from a smiling happy child in season 1 to looking miserable in her season 2 appearance. Molly was very vocal about her beliefs in season 1 to being a mouse in season 2. Do you think Season 1 Molly who have sat silently while Margo harassed Jo?

Molly also changed. She went from a smiling happy child in season 1 to looking miserable in her season 2 appearance. Molly was very vocal about her beliefs in season 1 to being a mouse in season 2. Do you think Season 1 Molly who have sat silently while Margo harassed Jo?

No she would not have. Molly was about social justice, and seeing Rich Girl Margo mock and humiliate Jo would normally have caused Molly to go into "outrage mode". Instead, she just says "Lay off, Margo."

Margo was a "queen bee mean girl". I think younger Molly must have been so intimidated by her. Maybe they were paired up as roommates and Margo was bullying her.

Margo was a "queen bee mean girl". I think younger Molly must have been so intimidated by her. Maybe they were paired up as roommates and Margo was bullying her.

I do believe they might have been roommates. Why else would Molly, social justice advocate, have ever hung out with a snob like that? We know Mrs. Garrett was in charge of the room assignments. I guess she hoped a little of Molly's social justice would rub off on Margo. It certainly was worth a try.

I do believe they might have been roommates. Why else would Molly, social justice advocate, have ever hung out with a snob like that? We know Mrs. Garrett was in charge of the room assignments. I guess she hoped a little of Molly's social justice would rub off on Margo. It certainly was worth a try.

Or, Margo could have been two-faced and played the "nice girl" around Mrs. Garrett so she wouldn't have known how she really is. But your theory is good too.

I do like picturing them as roommates---and after Blair gives her "that pie bit", she was a fool flat on her face and Molly never let her forget it. :rock:

Or, Margo could have been two-faced and played the "nice girl" around Mrs. Garrett so she wouldn't have known how she really is. But your theory is good too.

I do like picturing them as roommates---and after Blair gives her "that pie bit", she was a fool flat on her face and Molly never let her forget it. :rock:

I could def see Margo being a two face

I could def see Margo being a two face

I can see that, too.

...I can also see Mrs. Garrett seeing right through her. Why else would Mrs. Garrett laugh when seeing Margo had been pied?

I can see that, too.

...I can also see Mrs. Garrett seeing right through her. Why else would Mrs. Garrett laugh when seeing Margo had been pied?

Absolutely! Mrs G could def see through a phoney.

Of course she could. That's why I said that theory was good too.

Of course she could. That's why I said that theory was good too.

Absolutely!

Interesting theory everyone thank you!

And you're right retro: the writers's purpose was too distanced the 'Lost girls' from the 'Core of 4', so BLAIR, JO, NAT and TOOTIE could click and bond like a family!

The best example is on episode 'The 4 musketeers' (that episode reflects how tight the 4 girls have become as 'sisters', and MRS G as their 'surrogate mother').

And o course again on the episode 'Graduation': it was obvious it was centered between MRS G, and her two eldest girls.

And yes, it was definitely MRS G's job to room together the girls she felt were suited for one another: JO as the 'Bronx street wise kid' was just the right challenge for 'snobby princess' BLAIR, as was 'mean bitch' MARGO for 'environmentalist' MOLLY! (The feisty red haired nutritionist is certainly a clever chick hee hee!)

You’d be mad at the core four, too, if you got shunted off to a few stray cafeteria scenes in favor of them.

You’d be mad at the core four, too, if you got shunted off to a few stray cafeteria scenes in favor of them.

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Yes.

Where's Mrs. Garrett when Cindy, Sue Ann, and Nancy need a lesson on hurting Home Run Helen's feelings, in "Sex Symbol"? They get off scot-free.

And why isn't Mrs. Garrett disciplining Sue Ann and Cindy in "Gossip", when their rumor-mongering could have gotten her fired?

Finally, why isn't Mrs. Garrett encouraging Nancy to try out for a part in South Pacific in "Green-Eyed Monster"? She previously had gone to the school board over her belief that Nancy was one of the best performers in the school.

Where's Mrs. Garrett when Cindy, Sue Ann, and Nancy need a lesson on hurting Home Run Helen's feelings, in "Sex Symbol"? They get off scot-free.

Because no one told Mrs. Garrett.


And why isn't Mrs. Garrett disciplining Sue Ann and Cindy in "Gossip", when their rumor-mongering could have gotten her fired?

Because Tootie was the "root" (and because no one mentioned them).


Finally, why isn't Mrs. Garrett encouraging Nancy to try out for a part in South Pacific in "Green-Eyed Monster"? She previously had gone to the school board over her belief that Nancy was one of the best performers in the school.

Now ya got me on that one! :lol:

Because no one told Mrs. Garrett.

That never stopped Mrs. Garrett before. Did Mrs. Garrett have to be told who spread gossip about her, in "Gossip"? No way. Did Mrs. G have to rely on someone snitching about the alcohol in "Growing Pains"? No; Mrs. Garrett's no amateur. Did someone have to tip Mrs. Garrett off about the paint fight? No, she found out all on her own.

Mrs. Garrett knows what's going on in her cafeteria. A group of girls mocks another Eastland girl in her cafeteria? Mrs. G will know.


Because Tootie was the "root" (and because no one mentioned them).

See above. Mrs. Garrett doesn't need students to rat on other students to figure out the truth. She's like a hawk, that way: she sees right to the heart of the problem.


Now ya got me on that one! :lol:

Aha! :lol:

That never stopped Mrs. Garrett before. Did Mrs. Garrett have to be told who spread gossip about her, in "Gossip"? No way. Did Mrs. G have to rely on someone snitching about the alcohol in "Growing Pains"? No; Mrs. Garrett's no amateur. Did someone have to tip Mrs. Garrett off about the paint fight? No, she found out all on her own.

Mrs. Garrett knows what's going on in her cafeteria. A group of girls mocks another Eastland girl in her cafeteria? Mrs. G will know.

Hey, you asked, so that was it in a nutshell, lol.

But what you're saying's not all true; there were plenty of times the girls were into issues of their own that Mrs. Garrett had no idea about until they brought it to her attention.

And besides, the main reason: they don't matter. (we had this discussion here a couple of years ago)

Hey, you asked, so that was it in a nutshell, lol.

But what you're saying's not all true; there were plenty of times the girls were into issues of their own that Mrs. Garrett had no idea about until they brought it to her attention.

And besides, the main reason: they don't matter. (we had this discussion here a couple of years ago)

That's a fine out-of-universe explanation, but it doesn't explain the in-universe logic.

It does if you go by the retooling's new "rules".

My ranking of the Lost Girls.

1. Cindy: my first TV crush with someone my own age. She is athletic but sweet. Someone who you can watch a sporting event with.

2. Molly: the Greta Thunberg of her time. She is not afraid to speak her mind whether about social justice issues or telling Sue Ann it's not worth starving herself for a boy or telling Tootie that it's wrong to not telling a store clerk that she gave back too much change. Also I find it interesting how the world of the two Mollys blend together so much. We can see how Molly Parker's social media posts would look like just be looking at Molly Ringwald's social media posts.

3. Sue Ann: Sweet girl, but one with self esteem problems. She wants so much to be with the cool kids that she allows Blair to treat her like dirt and walk over her.

4. Nancy O.: She is just there. By far the least developed character of the Elite Eight. We know she is boy crazy, obsessed with Baryshnikov, love psychology (what a coincidence that Felice shared all these traits) and she has an unseen boyfriend in Roger. We don't know anything about her family, her values, what makes tick.

My ranking of the Lost Girls.

1. Cindy: my first TV crush with someone my own age. She is athletic but sweet. Someone who you can watch a sporting event with.

Yes, indeed, you could watch sports with Cindy, or you could even go out and toss the football around with her. Or go for a tennis match.


2. Molly: the Greta Thunberg of her time. She is not afraid to speak her mind whether about social justice issues or telling Sue Ann it's not worth starving herself for a boy or telling Tootie that it's wrong to not telling a store clerk that she gave back too much change. Also I find it interesting how the world of the two Mollys blend together so much. We can see how Molly Parker's social media posts would look like just be looking at Molly Ringwald's social media posts.

It's so true. Molly really was playing a version of herself. How ironic, then, that Molly endured some sexual harassment on the set of The Breakfast Club in the 1980s, with Judd Nelson getting under the library table to "get a look at the goods".


3. Sue Ann: Sweet girl, but one with self esteem problems. She wants so much to be with the cool kids that she allows Blair to treat her like dirt and walk over her.

Yeah, and that theme plays out over the course of several episodes: not just "Dieting" but also "Dope", "The Girls' School", and possibly even "The Facts of Love".


4. Nancy O.: She is just there. By far the least developed character of the Elite Eight. We know she is boy crazy, obsessed with Baryshnikov, love psychology (what a coincidence that Felice shared all these traits) and she has an unseen boyfriend in Roger. We don't know anything about her family, her values, what makes tick.

Well, we know her mother and father are alive, and that her father lost his job in May 1979. We also know her father wanted Nancy to stay chaste.

:lol:

Yes.

Where's Mrs. Garrett when Cindy, Sue Ann, and Nancy need a lesson on hurting Home Run Helen's feelings, in "Sex Symbol"? They get off scot-free.

And why isn't Mrs. Garrett disciplining Sue Ann and Cindy in "Gossip", when their rumor-mongering could have gotten her fired?

Finally, why isn't Mrs. Garrett encouraging Nancy to try out for a part in South Pacific in "Green-Eyed Monster"? She previously had gone to the school board over her belief that Nancy was one of the best performers in the school.


Hi retro!:wave:

You're absolutely right in questioning about MRS G not being around when the 'Lost girls' hurt 'Home Run' HELEN's feelings in the episode "Sex Symbol": she should have really scold at them for being so nasty to that poor girl lol! (i even kind of liked her for comforting NAT);)

And yes, MRS G should have disciplined CINDY and SUE ANN for spreading up the 'false' gossip about her (especially when they promised TOOTIE they would keep their word):eek:

It is all very bizarre, cos MRS G is normally the one straightening the girls when needed, but my guess is as you said: none of the girls besides the 'Core of 4' mattered enough to her to get involved?? (does that make sense?):confused:

PS: MRS G certainly didn't waste time on teaching BLAIR a lesson about hurting CINDY on the episode 'Rough housing' ha ha!:lol:

Hi retro!:wave:

You're absolutely right in questioning about MRS G not being around when the 'Lost girls' hurt 'Home Run' HELEN's feelings in the episode "Sex Symbol": she should have really scold at them for being so nasty to that poor girl lol! (i even kind of liked her for comforting NAT);)

And yes, MRS G should have disciplined CINDY and SUE ANN for spreading up the 'false' gossip about her (especially when they promised TOOTIE they would keep their word):eek:

It is all very bizarre, cos MRS G is normally the one straightening the girls when needed, but my guess is as you said: none of the girls besides the 'Core of 4' mattered enough to her to get involved?? (does that make sense?):confused:

PS: MRS G certainly didn't waste time on teaching BLAIR a lesson about hurting CINDY on the episode 'Rough housing' ha ha!:lol:

Yeah, Mrs. Garrett was all about life lessons for ALL of her girls.

Did Mrs. G. interact with any of the LG at all in their post-season 1 appearances? Can't recall off-hand.

Did Mrs. G. interact with any of the LG at all in their post-season 1 appearances? Can't recall off-hand.

Yes, at least twice: Nancy grabs part of the New York Times from Mrs. Garrett, as she is reading it, in "Gossip", and they greet one another. Nancy also talks with Mrs. Garrett about the hike, in "Dear Me".

I found it amazing that the gave Nancy O. more lines in her appearances in the Season 2 and 3 shows than they did in many Season 1 episodes.

I found it amazing that the gave Nancy O. more lines in her appearances in the Season 2 and 3 shows than they did in many Season 1 episodes.

Certainly in "Gossip" and "The Little Chill". I'd say about the same amount in "Dear Me", "Sex Symbol", "Green-Eyed Monster", and "Pretty Babies". But the fact that she did get six more episodes, and flashbacks, does indicate to me that they loved using her. I really wish, though, that she, with the rest of the Lost Girls, had been around in Season 4.

Thanks, RetroGuy. :)

So, Cindy and Sue Ann look to have gotten the cold shoulder in terms of Mrs. G interaction post-season 1. At least for Molly's one S2 appearance, Mrs. G made a scene appearance. :D

Thanks, RetroGuy. :)

So, Cindy and Sue Ann look to have gotten the cold shoulder in terms of Mrs. G interaction post-season 1. At least for Molly's one S2 appearance, Mrs. G made a scene appearance. :D

Oh, Mrs. Garrett appeared in several of Cindy and Sue Ann's scenes, but she didn't speak to them.

Oh, Mrs. Garrett appeared in several of Cindy and Sue Ann's scenes, but she didn't speak to them.


You're absolutely right retro: MRS G hardly had any interaction with the 'Lost girls' after season 1 (a fact that always bothered me) with the exception of NANCY in which she exchanges a few lines.....:(:(:(

So no wonder there was the 'Antagonism' (as you pointed out) between the 'Core of 4' and the 'Lost girls': if MRS G ignored me i'd be upset too lol!:eek::eek::eek:

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The writers probably felt guilty for reducing Nancy O. to wallpaper in season 1, so they decided to make amends in Season 2 and 3 and wallpaper Sue Ann and Cindy over.