The first stinker of season 7 :eek:

I just don't understand WHY any of these women think filling the store with all that ugly trash is a good idea. Jo with that butt ugly fish pen and being fascinated with it. That's so not Jo. No way...she would be making fun of that crap.

I can see Natalie loving it to go with her lightning bolt hat for studying LOL.

There were a couple of funny moments here though--

Blair's "I don't understand" when the woman offered $2 bucks for the shirt and then said she was "bargaining"....Her reply back with "I don't do that" with a smile on her face was so Blair. Loved it. :lol:

Tootie to the old man who kept returning the doll "Are you using this doll for purposes it wasn't intended?" made me LOL. And when Natalie did her special test on it. Ha!! :lol:

So Edna was telling the realtor "No Sale". Ok---so her son HAD to have either sold the store to her or given it to her and she now solely owns that property. It's the only thing that makes this sensible. So i'm just gonna go with the son transferring the title over to her at some point in the past, and now the 5 of them are on the title with the new store.

I already miss Edna's Edibles :(:(:(

The later seasons definitely went downhill fast.

The later seasons definitely went downhill fast.

Season 7 is with Tootie a senior at Eastland right? I'm thinking now, that this should've been set up as the final season. Have Tootie graduate, Mrs. G find love and marry, and everyone go their separate ways. And no Beverly needing to come. :lol:

At this point they're all adults now, and watching it quickly in syndication is startling to see just how fast they all grow up. And since Charlotte Rae definitely wanted out at this point, they should've folded up the tent when she left, since it was her show after all.

I didn’t like this one either. So they decide in the middle of their grand opening to go out of business? And then change their minds and stay open? And they probably lost their shirts letting all that newly-purchased merchandise sell for below cost. It doesn’t make a lick of sense.

The gift shop, honestly, doesn’t make much sense, especially when Edna disappears in the middle of this season. Do the girls really have time to run the shop with all their school responsibilities/activities?

I didn’t like this one either. So they decide in the middle of their grand opening to go out of business? And then change their minds and stay open? And they probably lost their shirts letting all that newly-purchased merchandise sell for below cost. It doesn’t make a lick of sense.

The gift shop, honestly, doesn’t make much sense, especially when Edna disappears in the middle of this season. Do the girls really have time to run the shop with all their school responsibilities/activities?

She goes away AGAIN this season? Oh no. I thought that was only for season 6 she wanted reduced episodes.

You make a good point about their responsibilities. Look at how busy Jo is with school and she's taking up partnership here? Nat wants to go off and see the world, and is now stuck in Peekskill as another partner when she should be off doing what she wants.

Tootie is in her senior year and should be focusing on that.

Blair seems to have all the time in the world though. I don't see her too focused on her schooling except for which guys in her classes to date, and her Bloomingdale jaunts down to the city. :lol:

Mrs. G should be catering which was her passion. Not selling a plate of chocolate chip cookies shoved in the corner of the store. It's actually kind of sad. :(

She goes away AGAIN this season? Oh no. I thought that was only for season 6 she wanted reduced episodes.

You make a good point about their responsibilities. Look at how busy Jo is with school and she's taking up partnership here? Nat wants to go off and see the world, and is now stuck in Peekskill as another partner when she should be off doing what she wants.

Tootie is in her senior year and should be focusing on that.

Blair seems to have all the time in the world though. I don't see her too focused on her schooling except for which guys in her classes to date, and her Bloomingdale jaunts down to the city. :lol:

Mrs. G should be catering which was her passion. Not selling a plate of chocolate chip cookies shoved in the corner of the store. It's actually kind of sad. :(


Hey cfr1970!;)

I'm certainly glad and eager to read your email on each episode you watch every day!:wave:

BLAIR is certainly no fool, and the only one who knows how to play her cards: she just knows how to enjoy life! (don't you just love her):p

And yes, MRS G is definitely a big disappointment so far i can witness from season 7 (which comes as no surprise from what i watched on YouTube 1o years ago). She turned into a 'STEPFORD WIFE'!:lol:

And NAT and JO just victims of 'Over our head'....:happyface


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Charlotte Rae was absent for seven episodes in season 7. In two others, she only has a brief cameo.

Hey cfr1970!;)

I'm certainly glad and eager to read your email on each episode you watch every day!:wave:

BLAIR is certainly no fool, and the only one who knows how to play her cards: she just knows how to enjoy life! (don't you just love her):p

And yes, MRS G is definitely a big disappointment so far i can witness from season 7 (which comes as no surprise from what i watched on YouTube 1o years ago). She turned into a 'STEPFORD WIFE'!:lol:

And NAT and JO just victims of 'Over our head'....:happyface


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Thank you valentina. I enjoy critiquing the episodes each day. They'll eventually stop when it all cycles back again, but for now i'm really having fun with it! :wave::wave:

Blair is great, and her hair didn't bug me in this episode! :lol:

She's the only one out of the 4 that has the time to run this junk store. Except for Mrs. G of course who's shoved in the corner with her old burned "Edna's Edibles" sign and a plate of cookies wishing she had her gourmet store back. :(

Nat and Jo are victims of this nutty idea. Poor Nat wants to see Europe so bad and is now stuck in Peekskill, and Jo has all her courses, the radio station, student council, making mascot heads and pizza to worry about selling ugly fish pens.

Tootie is acting like a child wanting everyone to stay together, but I get that she's the baby and it must be hard seeing all her friends become adults now.

Thank you valentina. I enjoy critiquing the episodes each day. They'll eventually stop when it all cycles back again, but for now i'm really having fun with it! :wave::wave:

Blair is great, and her hair didn't bug me in this episode! :lol:

She's the only one out of the 4 that has the time to run this junk store. Except for Mrs. G of course who's shoved in the corner with her old burned "Edna's Edibles" sign and a plate of cookies wishing she had her gourmet store back. :(

Nat and Jo are victims of this nutty idea. Poor Nat wants to see Europe so bad and is now stuck in Peekskill, and Jo has all her courses, the radio station, student council, making mascot heads and pizza to worry about selling ugly fish pens.

Tootie is acting like a child wanting everyone to stay together, but I get that she's the baby and it must be hard seeing all her friends become adults now.

Charlotte Rae kept the old burnt Edna's Edibles sign. It was featured in the FOL Colector's Call in February.

I didn’t like this one either. So they decide in the middle of their grand opening to go out of business? And then change their minds and stay open? And they probably lost their shirts letting all that newly-purchased merchandise sell for below cost. It doesn’t make a lick of sense.

No, it does not. They're starting their opening week not only in the hole because of all of the inventory, but now all the inventory they sold at below cost. :lol:


The gift shop, honestly, doesn’t make much sense, especially when Edna disappears in the middle of this season. Do the girls really have time to run the shop with all their school responsibilities/activities?

No. No, they do not. Which is why, I suspect, they quickly drifted away from OOH as well, and closed the shop two years later. Beverly Ann says it herself: no-one's even watching the shop by then.

Yeah 7 was bad, s8 was the best of the OOH years for sure.

Charlotte Rae kept the old burnt Edna's Edibles sign. It was featured in the FOL Colector's Call in February.

I love that she kept that! :heart:

I see this Collector's Call show is on ME-TV and I can't get that channel. :(:(

I wish they were like Buzzr and streamed their shows too. I want to see this!

Season 7 is with Tootie a senior at Eastland right? I'm thinking now, that this should've been set up as the final season. Have Tootie graduate, Mrs. G find love and marry, and everyone go their separate ways. And no Beverly needing to come. :lol:

At this point they're all adults now, and watching it quickly in syndication is startling to see just how fast they all grow up. And since Charlotte Rae definitely wanted out at this point, they should've folded up the tent when she left, since it was her show after all.

But thy did not. So instead we get Beverly Ann, Pimppa, Over Our Heads, and George Clooney. ...Also, Bull from Night Court. :lol:

But thy did not. So instead we get Beverly Ann, Pimppa, Over Our Heads, and George Clooney. ...Also, Bull from Night Court. :lol:


"Pimppa" :lol::lol:

I saw Bull from Night Court in the episode guide on Wikipedia and can't wait to see that one. How on earth the whole group winds up in Malibu and then arrested by Richard Moll sure has my curiosity piqued!! :confused::confused:

For this though....I DON'T want to be spoiled!! :nonono::nonono::nonono:

It looks like too much fun seeing it all unfold while watching it!

"Pimppa" :lol::lol:

I believe 'Pimppa" is ™ and ® TV Guy; we have to pay him a royalty each time we use it. :lol:

And since Charlotte Rae definitely wanted out at this point, they should've folded up the tent when she left, since it was her show after all.


It may have started out as Charlotte's show in season 1 but it quickly became a cast ensemble show over the years. The show did very well ratings wise without Charlotte since NBC wanted to keep the show going. Ratings increased in season 9 prompting NBC to want a season 10 but Mindy and Nancy said no. I think it speaks volume that NBC was fine continuing the show without Charlotte but not without Mindy and Nancy. The show shifted gears in season 5 where the main stars of the show became the core 4. Season 5 is where you notice Mrs. Garrett fading into the background as she has zero episodes focusing on her character that season. The season opener where she decides to leave Eastland is overshadowed by Jo's story with not being able to afford her dorm room. I don't think the writers are to blame as Charlotte has said in interviews she was wanting off the show a couple of years before she actually left. It's the writers job to find ways to make the show click with viewers when one of their main stars wants out.


Yeah 7 was bad, s8 was the best of the OOH years for sure.

I agree. Season 8 felt like one of the earlier seasons. Everything flowed well. The girls had their tight friendship every episode. You see them be a friend to Beverly Ann helping her bounce back after her divorce from Frank. You see Mrs. Garrett's influence on the girls this year of wanting to help others and not be selfish. It's something that was vanished in season 9. Season 8 is the best of the later years.

It may have started out as Charlotte's show in season 1 but it quickly became a cast ensemble show over the years. The show did very well ratings wise without Charlotte since NBC wanted to keep the show going. Ratings increased in season 9 prompting NBC to want a season 10 but Mindy and Nancy said no. I think it speaks volume that NBC was fine continuing the show without Charlotte but not without Mindy and Nancy. The show shifted gears in season 5 where the main stars of the show became the core 4. Season 5 is where you notice Mrs. Garrett fading into the background as she has zero episodes focusing on her character that season. The season opener where she decides to leave Eastland is overshadowed by Jo's story with not being able to afford her dorm room. I don't think the writers are to blame as Charlotte has said in interviews she was wanting off the show a couple of years before she actually left. It's the writers job to find ways to make the show click with viewers when one of their main stars wants out.

I wonder if Charlotte Rae began feeling resentful that the focus was becoming less on her and more on the 4 girls and that's why she wanted out. After she left FOL, what did she do then? I hope she continued working if that made her happy.
The only thing I remember she did afterwards was a really funny bit part on King of Queens auditioning for Arthur in some play. She was hysterical in that. :lol:




I agree. Season 8 felt like one of the earlier seasons. Everything flowed well. The girls had their tight friendship every episode. You see them be a friend to Beverly Ann helping her bounce back after her divorce from Frank. You see Mrs. Garrett's influence on the girls this year of wanting to help others and not be selfish. It's something that was vanished in season 9. Season 8 is the best of the later years.

This gives me something to look forward to after Rae's departure.

I wonder if Charlotte Rae began feeling resentful that the focus was becoming less on her and more on the 4 girls and that's why she wanted out. After she left FOL, what did she do then? I hope she continued working if that made her happy.
The only thing I remember she did afterwards was a really funny bit part on King of Queens auditioning for Arthur in some play. She was hysterical in that. :lol:






This gives me something to look forward to after Rae's departure.

Charlotte had health problems, including needing to have a pacemaker installed. So she wanted out along with other possible reasons.

Season 5 is where you notice Mrs. Garrett fading into the background as she has zero episodes focusing on her character that season.

I don't notice that being an effect. She's still at the helm of the ship with her new venture of Edna's Edibles, such a completely new direction for her. So to me, she doesn't get "Nancied" until season 6.


The season opener where she decides to leave Eastland is overshadowed by Jo's story with not being able to afford her dorm room.

Only if you let it. When I think of "Brave New World", I barely think of a "Jo story" at all (and I think of it as a Blair/Jo story). Mrs. Garrett is the main drive of that two-parter, to me.

"DS for DF" lol ;)

Charlotte had health problems, including needing to have a pacemaker installed. So she wanted out along with other possible reasons.

Wow. I had no idea about that. After I finish Kim's book, i'm going to get hers. I see she lived till 92 which is great to see. I watched a you tube clip yesterday accepting a TV Land award in 2011 and she looked frail, but so happy to be with her "girls". :)

I believe 'Pimppa" is ™ and ® TV Guy; we have to pay him a royalty each time we use it. :lol:

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Cha-ching (the sound of my cash register ringing).

I don't notice that being an effect. She's still at the helm of the ship with her new venture of Edna's Edibles, such a completely new direction for her. So to me, she doesn't get "Nancied" until season 6.

Only if you let it. When I think of "Brave New World", I barely think of a "Jo story" at all (and I think of it as a Blair/Jo story). Mrs. Garrett is the main drive of that two-parter, to me.

"DS for DF" lol ;)


Yeah, we've talked about this before with Brave New World. I feel the main drive in that episode is Jo's issue because there's more screen time on that then Mrs. Garrett leaving Eastland. Her leaving Eastland should have been the main focus with students other than the core 4 telling her goodbye. Instead, it was a whimper because it was the setting for how the core 4 would be together again.

I would consider Mrs. Garrett a supporting character in season 5 than main character. She's only there to help the girls with whatever issues they're going through. It's not like before where Mrs. Garrett also had issues and the girls were helping her out as well. It was the start of the shift on who was going to be the center of attention for the rest of the series and Mrs. Garrett was not included in that. As I mentioned before, I think part of this was also Charlotte's decision as she was wanting to leave the show.

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Cha-ching (the sound of my cash register ringing).

:dollar::dollar::dollar: <-- here ya go, buddy! :lol:

Yeah, we've talked about this before with Brave New World.

Yes, and we agreed to disagree yet again. :lol:


I feel the main drive in that episode is Jo's issue because there's more screen time on that then Mrs. Garrett leaving Eastland.

I haven't timed it (I just feel there's more time at EE than at Langley), but I still think of it as Mrs. Garrett at the helm.


I would consider Mrs. Garrett a supporting character in season 5 than main character. She's only there to help the girls with whatever issues they're going through. It's not like before where Mrs. Garrett also had issues and the girls were helping her out as well.

But she does have issues. She has the board of health. She has the cheating opposition. She has other business issues. She has to with it being her new business venture and complete change of her world. And then her family issue with Raymond and Doris.

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^---that's us agreeing to disagree ;)

Yes, and we agreed to disagree yet again. :lol:




I haven't timed it (I just feel there's more time at EE than at Langley), but I still think of it as Mrs. Garrett at the helm.




But she does have issues. She has the board of health. She has the cheating opposition. She has other business issues. She has to with it being her new business venture and complete change of her world. And then her family issue with Raymond and Doris.



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^---that's us agreeing to disagree ;)


Thank you 80sSitcom and i couldn't agree with you anymore!:wave:

CHARLOTTE RAE as MRS G was still a main focus in my point of view, and she definitely had episodes on her::D such as,

'A brave new world' (leaving 'Eastland' to open her own gourmet shop is a big start).:cool:

'Gamma gamma' (her first big argument with BLAIR, who finally decides to give up her dorm, to move in with her 'Peeskill family').;)

'The chain letter' (a major one, since it puts the girls at prove when MRS G's business almost collapses).:rolleyes:

So yes, i would say: CHARLOTTE RAE was still a hit!:happyface

PS:it's only by season 6 that she slowly retreats (although she still has a few good episodes focused on her, such as 'Working it out' and 'The interview show' which are my two favourites!):talk:

I just don't understand WHY any of these women think filling the store with all that ugly trash is a good idea. Jo with that butt ugly fish pen and being fascinated with it. That's so not Jo. No way...she would be making fun of that crap.

Yeah, I wish the producers/writers had taken time to think of the show being seen in the future and considered how "dating" that would be (that's why the "Jitterbug" segment was cut from "The Wizard of Oz", because they felt it would date the picture---and that was in the 1930s!).


Blair's "I don't understand" when the woman offered $2 bucks for the shirt and then said she was "bargaining"....Her reply back with "I don't do that" with a smile on her face was so Blair. Loved it. :lol:

Ha, yes! :lol:


Tootie to the old man who kept returning the doll "Are you using this doll for purposes it wasn't intended?" made me LOL. And when Natalie did her special test on it. Ha!! :lol:

I can still see and hear her saying that! :rofl:

Also, that "old man" was a recurring character on "Newhart", and he appeared a few times on "Mr. Belvedere" as well. :nod:

Yeah, I wish the producers/writers had taken time to think of the show being seen in the future and considered how "dating" that would be (that's why the "Jitterbug" segment was cut from "The Wizard of Oz", because they felt it would date the picture---and that was in the 1930s!).

What?! I never heard this. What did they do? Jitterbug down the Yellow Brick Road?! :jig::jig::dog:

(that's toto lol)







I can still see and hear her saying that! :rofl:

And the last time when he came back Tootie looked like she was about to scream and ran in terror to the back LOL. How she peeked her head out cautiously when he said he wanted to buy another doll was so funny. :lol:

Also, that "old man" was a recurring character on "Newhart", and he appeared a few times on "Mr. Belvedere" as well. :nod:

Was this the 70's Newhart or 80's Newhart show? I watched the 80's one and only recall the 3 Darryls as recurring characters. I haven't seen the 70's version yet, but it's on my list.

What?! I never heard this. What did they do? Jitterbug down the Yellow Brick Road?! :jig::jig::dog:

(that's toto lol)

:lol:

It was actually a musical song and dance number set in the "Haunted Forest" later in the picture (I keep saying "picture" because this was the '30s, lol :grrbald: ).

The Wicked Witch of the West had sent "the jitterbug" to stop Dorothy and her friends in the forest and dance them until they drop by dancing---you guessed it, the jitterbug, lol.


And the last time when he came back Tootie looked like she was about to scream and ran in terror to the back LOL. How she peeked her head out cautiously when he said he wanted to buy another doll was so funny. :lol:

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Was this the 70's Newhart or 80's Newhart show? I watched the 80's one and only recall the 3 Darryls as recurring characters. I haven't seen the 70's version yet, but it's on my list.

"Newart", from the '80s. The '70s was "The Bob Newhart Show". :) (which I've barely seen at all, but I watched "Newhart" every week as a youngster, and re-watched the entire series on one of those nostalgia channels several years ago).

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It was actually a musical song and dance number set in the "Haunted Forest" later in the picture (I keep saying "picture" because this was the '30s, lol :grrbald: ).

The Wicked Witch of the West had sent "the jitterbug" to stop Dorothy and her friends in the forest and dance them until they drop by dancing---you guessed it, the jitterbug, lol.

Is this on film anywhere? I really want to see that now!

Is this on film anywhere? I really want to see that now!

Well, yes!---and no! :lol: :crazy:

See, the jitterbug was an actual large pink-and-blue costumed character. Now, there IS some home movie-style video footage of Dorothy and company dancing while the living haunted trees are grabbing around them (you get to glimpse one guy inside a tree!), and there is some audio footage of Judy singing "The Jitterbug", BUT, sadly, there is NO surviving footage of the jitterbug character.

cfr, I remember first learning about this in the film's big 50th VHS release that came with a booklet of "behind-the-scenes/making-of" stuff about the movie. And when I read about the jitterbug sequence, and how nothing visual of the actual Jitterbug himself is left, something clicked inside me: I was FASCINATED. And ever since then, my mouth waters most on DVD releases over "deleted scenes"---when I finish watching a new DVD of a movie, the very first bonus features I watch are the deleted scenes! They are utterly fascinating to me, and it's all thanks to the Jitterbug.

Also, something else fascinating to me: they left a reference to him in the film!!!

"Picture it: The castle of the Wicked Witch of the West, 1939..." ( ;) )

It's a scene in the Wicked Witch's "crystal ball" room (btw, biggest crystal ball ever!). WW is talking to Nikko, her head flying monkey, telling him to take his forces and fly to the Haunted Forest and stop Dorothy and her friends: "Do what you like with the others, but bring the little girl back alive and unharmed!"

AND THEN, cfr, she says,

"They'll give you no trouble, I can promise you that. I've sent a little insect on ahead to take the fight out of them! Now go, GO!"

She says it, but most people don't even register what it means, and most people just don't remember it. what with her hurrying Nikko along, and the winged monkeys then taking off through the skies in hordes as she comands them from the tower.

Isn't that fascinating?!?

Here's some of the Jitterbug footage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB9BdxPDCwQ) from The Wizard of Oz. It's actually home movie footage, rather than official production footage, but you can sort of see what the scene might have looked like.

Here you go cfr! All the "Jitterbug" footage there is, along with the witch saying the tell-tale line at the beginning! (fIn_VACu55I) (something Retro's link doesn't include :p )

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And this is the version that I first ever saw as a bonus feature of "The Jitterbug"---this one starts out with Dorothy and company reciting lines that lead into the song, played over black and white photos of them posing like they're going into the number...

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Well, yes!---and no! :lol: :crazy:

See, the jitterbug was an actual large pink-and-blue costumed character. Now, there IS some home movie-style video footage of Dorothy and company dancing while the living haunted trees are grabbing around them (you get to glimpse one guy inside a tree!), and there is some audio footage of Judy singing "The Jitterbug", BUT, sadly, there is NO surviving footage of the jitterbug character.

cfr, I remember first learning about this in the film's big 50th VHS release that came with a booklet of "behind-the-scenes/making-of" stuff about the movie. And when I read about the jitterbug sequence, and how nothing visual of the actual Jitterbug himself is left, something clicked inside me: I was FASCINATED. And ever since then, my mouth waters most on DVD releases over "deleted scenes"---when I finish watching a new DVD of a movie, the very first bonus features I watch are the deleted scenes! They are utterly fascinating to me, and it's all thanks to the Jitterbug.

Also, something else fascinating to me: they left a reference to him in the film!!!

"Picture it: The castle of the Wicked Witch of the West, 1939..." ( ;) )

It's a scene in the Wicked Witch's "crystal ball" room (btw, biggest crystal ball ever!). WW is talking to Nikko, her head flying monkey, telling him to take his forces and fly to the Haunted Forest and stop Dorothy and her friends: "Do what you like with the others, but bring the little girl back alive and unharmed!"

AND THEN, cfr, she says,

"They'll give you no trouble, I can promise you that. I've sent a little insect on ahead to take the fight out of them! Now go, GO!"

She says it, but most people don't even register what it means, and most people just don't remember it. what with her hurrying Nikko along, and the winged monkeys then taking off through the skies in hordes as she comands them from the tower.

Isn't that fascinating?!?

Wait! So the Jitterbug is an actual BUG and not a dance like i'm thinking of?! I'm fascinated now.

Wait! So the Jitterbug is an actual BUG and not a dance like i'm thinking of?! I'm fascinated now.

No, it's both! As you'll see in the footage---the Jitterbug was to lead the characters in dancing the jitterbug until they dropped! :nod:

Here's some of the Jitterbug footage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB9BdxPDCwQ) from The Wizard of Oz. It's actually home movie footage, rather than official production footage, but you can sort of see what the scene might have looked like.

What a bizarre scene! So it's a bug AND a dance in the film? When the Wicked Witch said she sent an insect ahead she meant an actual Jitterbug? And then they dance a Jitterbug? It's all so weird! :lol:

And i'm gonna have nightmares about those trees tonight. Especially after seeing that man inside one of them. That was kinda creepy!

What a bizarre scene! So it's a bug AND a dance in the film? When the Wicked Witch said she sent an insect ahead she meant an actual Jitterbug? And then they dance a Jitterbug?

Yes!


And i'm gonna have nightmares about those trees tonight. Especially after seeing that man inside one of them. That was kinda creepy!

:lol: I love those trees!! :loveya:


And i'm gonna have nightmares about those trees tonight. Especially after seeing that man inside one of them. That was kinda creepy!

Make sure you watch my videos, they have more in them! :nod:

Here you go cfr! All the "Jitterbug" footage there is, along with the witch saying the tell-tale line at the beginning! (fIn_VACu55I) (something Retro's link doesn't include :p )

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Seeing those flying monkeys in the sky at the end of the clip brought flashbacks of being completely terrified of them as a kid. They scared the crap out of me so bad I couldn't sleep after the movie. :lol:

Seeing those flying monkeys in the sky at the end of the clip brought flashbacks of being completely terrified of them as a kid. They scared the crap out of me so bad I couldn't sleep after the movie. :lol:

:lol: Wow, they had nothing of that kind of effect on me!

This movie though did plant in me (no pun intended) my love for humanoid plants---those fighting apple trees earlier in the film? WOW I thought that was the best thing EVER! :lol: :D (and then these haunted forest trees on top of that---I WISH these had been "humanoid" in the film like this!!)

Wasn't that so cool seeing the clip where the witch actually references him???

Also, can you imagine if Flo from "Alice" had been sent to Oz instead of Dorothy? With Florence Jean Castleberry being the "5-time jitterbug champ over at the VW hall", she'd've given that big ol' pink and blue rascal a run for his money! :lol:

:lol: Wow, they had nothing of that kind of effect on me!

This movie though did plant in me (no pun intended) my love for humanoid plants---those fighting apple trees earlier in the film? WOW I thought that was the best thing EVER! :lol: :D (and then these haunted forest trees on top of that---I WISH these had been "humanoid" in the film like this!!)

Wasn't that so cool seeing the clip where the witch actually references him???

It is cool. Now I want to see the whole film again. God it's been ages since i've watched it! The whole forest scene scared me though...it's such a dark and sinister part of the film. How can any kid enjoy that?!

The flying monkeys themselves don't scare me much close up...It's the image of hundreds of them in that dark sky flying that's terrifying. Even now when I saw it again, I got scared LOL. Flashbacks of hiding under the covers thinking they're gonna fly in the window and snatch me from my room. :lol:

Also, can you imagine if Flo from "Alice" had been sent to Oz instead of Dorothy? With Florence Jean Castleberry being the "5-time jitterbug champ over at the VW hall", she'd've given that big ol' pink and blue rascal a run for his money! :lol:

And of course told them to kiss her grits afterwards! :lol:

Is any of this on the dvd releases?

What a bizarre scene! So it's a bug AND a dance in the film? When the Wicked Witch said she sent an insect ahead she meant an actual Jitterbug? And then they dance a Jitterbug? It's all so weird! :lol:

And i'm gonna have nightmares about those trees tonight. Especially after seeing that man inside one of them. That was kinda creepy!

Yeah, seeing people half-inside those trees is pretty creepy.

There are quite a few "lost scenes" from The Wizard of Oz, including this extended scene where Dorothy meets the Scarecrow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSFQy_cLvLU), which is not the version we grew up with.

And, in the earliest 1980s, I remember the annual television broadcast of the film had a nice "Easter Egg" at the end of the film: they briefly showed an animated sequence showing not only the characters from The Wizard of Oz, but also other Oz characters from the books! That was a cool surprise.

Yeah, seeing people half-inside those trees is pretty creepy.

There are quite a few "lost scenes" from The Wizard of Oz, including this extended scene where Dorothy meets the Scarecrow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSFQy_cLvLU), which is not the version we grew up with.

And, in the earliest 1980s, I remember the annual television broadcast of the film had a nice "Easter Egg" at the end of the film: they briefly showed an animated sequence showing not only the characters from The Wizard of Oz, but also other Oz characters from the books! That was a cool surprise.

That's the first time i'm seeing that! I never saw the Scarecrow fly lol. I think that was good enough to have left in because I enjoyed it. :)

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That's the first time i'm seeing that! I never saw the Scarecrow fly lol. I think that was good enough to have left in because I enjoyed it. :)

Yes, it's adorable and hilarious! And that scene explains why Dorothy gushes about his abilities, at the end.

You can get that on the official DVD, but not restored to the film itself; just as a deleted scene. My understanding is that the studio was going to restore that scene for the 60th anniversary theatrical release... but for some reason, they changed their minds.



Edited to add: This scene was quite unlike any scene in The Facts of Life.

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Sorry, Lorimar! Would it help if we occasionally mentioned FOL while discussing the Wizard of Oz? For example, "Unlike the Facts of Life, the 1939 theatrical release of The Wizard of Oz included an extended scene of the Scarecrow cavorting..." :lol:

Sorry, Lorimar! Would it help if we occasionally mentioned FOL while discussing the Wizard of Oz? For example, "Unlike the Facts of Life, the 1939 theatrical release of The Wizard of Oz included an extended scene of the Scarecrow cavorting..." :lol:

Needs more FOL references. For instance, Blair wouldn't be caught dead in Dorothy's ruby slippers or Molly thought it was incredibly sexist that a female had to find a male wizard for guidance. ;)

Needs more FOL references. For instance, Blair wouldn't be caught dead in Dorothy's ruby slippers or Molly thought it was incredibly sexist that a female had to find a male wizard for guidance. ;)

Ahahahahaha!

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...And Sue Ann, much like Dorothy, came from Kansas...

I re-watched this episode and wow, this episode did not age well at all or it didn't make any sense from previous seasons.

Along with the pastel and neon color scheme of the store, there's a lot of xenophobia and islamophobia that dates this show. We hear a lot of it from Natalie and George in this episode regarding George's excursions in Kuwait. The fact that he and Natalie laugh and joke about this Muslim girl and her burka, just made me cringe.

I didn't like Mrs. Garrett in this episode either, she is way too quick to make decisions regarding her shop. First, she fires George, which I can understand, because he was slow in getting the work done. Then, when the shop opens, she's so willing to close it again. Make up your darn mind or leave it up the girls to decide what they want to do with the store! She has no business making decisions. Sure, she funded it, but she should have let the girls handle it, if she wasn't even interested in the store in the first place. What role does she have as an owner anyway? She's relegated to an island in the middle of the store, selling cookies. What the heck? Why was she even made an owner in the first place? She was against the store in the first place, and it seems like the other girls have way more interest in it than she does. She should of just bowed out at the beginning. This all just felt like a half-baked way to satisfy Charlotte Rae's interest to the leave the show, and the show's interest to keep all of the girls together.

Also, I can understand that the girls are attracted to George, and he probably got the job on his looks and his cheap estimate alone, but the fact that that they still swarm around him, after he was fired, I just don't understand. Is he a friend or a crush now? I don't know. He really serves no role after his firing. Just merely eye candy for the girls. Also, his cadence when he speaks his lines makes him sound like a total amateur actor. The head tic I don't even notice.

Another thing is, what is going on in these girls' minds when they came up with this store? I blame Natalie and Tootie for this whole shop and their stupid idea and flawed thinking that something that would sell in New York City would also sell in little ol' Peekskill, New York. Give me a freaking break. Also, Mrs. G said someone had the idea of calling this store the "erogenous zone"? WTF?! We know that it wasn't Blair's idea (Christian Lisa wouldn't have any of it!). It sounds like an idea in the mind of satyromaniac yet-to-be-teenager, Andy, that would have came up with it. If it was, that'd just be creepy coming from someone that young.

The fact that Natalie has a "performance artist" on opening day just baffles me. What is a performance artist from SoHo doing in Peekskill? Are they TRYING to keep customers away? Again, their hijinks just don't make sense and their desperate attempts at laugh are horrendous. What happens in New York, should stay in New York (should be the mantra for the whole episode).

I re-watched this episode and wow, this episode did not age well at all or it didn't make any sense from previous seasons.

Along with the pastel and neon color scheme of the store, there's a lot of xenophobia and islamophobia that dates this show. We hear a lot of it from Natalie and George in this episode regarding George's excursions in Kuwait. The fact that he and Natalie laugh and joke about this Muslim girl and her burka, just made me cringe.

I didn't like Mrs. Garrett in this episode either, she is way too quick to make decisions regarding her shop. First, she fires George, which I can understand, because he was slow in getting the work done. Then, when the shop opens, she's so willing to close it again. Make up your darn mind or leave it up the girls to decide what they want to do with the store! She has no business making decisions. Sure, she funded it, but she should have let the girls handle it, if she wasn't even interested in the store in the first place. What role does she have as an owner anyway? She's relegated to an island in the middle of the store, selling cookies. What the heck? Why was she even made an owner in the first place? She was against the store in the first place, and it seems like the other girls have way more interest in it than she does. She should of just bowed out at the beginning. This all just felt like a half-baked way to satisfy Charlotte Rae's interest to the leave the show, and the show's interest to keep all of the girls together.

Also, I can understand that the girls are attracted to George, and he probably got the job on his looks and his cheap estimate alone, but the fact that that they still swarm around him, after he was fired, I just don't understand. Is he a friend or a crush now? I don't know. He really serves no role after his firing. Just merely eye candy for the girls. Also, his cadence when he speaks his lines makes him sound like a total amateur actor. The head tic I don't even notice.

Another thing is, what is going on in these girls' minds when they came up with this store? I blame Natalie and Tootie for this whole shop and their stupid idea and flawed thinking that something that would sell in New York City would also sell in little ol' Peekskill, New York. Give me a freaking break. Also, Mrs. G said someone had the idea of calling this store the "erogenous zone"? WTF?! We know that it wasn't Blair's idea (Christian Lisa wouldn't have any of it!). It sounds like an idea in the mind of satyromaniac yet-to-be-teenager, Andy, that would have came up with it. If it was, that'd just be creepy coming from someone that young.

The fact that Natalie has a "performance artist" on opening day just baffles me. What is a performance artist from SoHo doing in Peekskill? Are they TRYING to keep customers away? Again, their hijinks just don't make sense and their desperate attempts at laugh are horrendous. What happens in New York, should stay in New York (should be the mantra for the whole episode).

All very good points, Impressions.

I think a store called "The Erogenous Zone" in Peekskill, New York, in the 1980s, that wasn't a porn shop, would quickly close. That would have saved us more than two years of Over Our Heads product jokes, so I'm all for them naming the store "The Erogenous Zone". :lol:

I must admit, when I was a kid watching the show in original airings, I was pretty excited about the new theme song and the new shop. It all felt very thrilling, as if the store was opening in MY neighborhood! But I was, like, ten.

I must admit, when I was a kid watching the show in original airings, I was pretty excited about the new theme song and the new shop. It all felt very thrilling, as if the store was opening in MY neighborhood! But I was, like, ten.

But regardless of whether you were 10 or 50, it was actually the 1980s. So "little did anyone know", lol.

In my opinion, season seven is the worst season for multiple reasons. Open that store was a bad idea, it didn't have the great atmosphere of Edna's Edibles. The girls at that point were women (which is great but women in real life choose to leave and go their own way), they added George for no reason and Mrs. Garrett became a ghost. Starting in season 5, her character, except some episodes, was getting less and less attention and, with her bakery store gone, she really had no role. The only thing I like from OOH period is the updated theme song, Tootie less childish and Jo less aggressive. Luckily, season 8 is a great improvement. I must say that season 9 too is okay but cafeteria years are the best.

In my opinion, season seven is the worst season for multiple reasons. Open that store was a bad idea, it didn't have the great atmosphere of Edna's Edibles. The girls at that point were women (which is great but women in real life choose to leave and go their own way), they added George for no reason and Mrs. Garrett became a ghost. Starting in season 5, her character, except some episodes, was getting less and less attention and, with her bakery store gone, she really had no role. The only thing I like from OOH period is the updated theme song, Tootie less childish and Jo less aggressive. Luckily, season 8 is a great improvement. I must say that season 9 too is okay but cafeteria years are the best.

The cafeteria years are second-best, for me, with the dorm years (May 1979-October 1980) being the best era. The Edibles era is third-best, although I hate seeing Mrs. Garrett fade away. Like you, I do like the now-civilized Jo in the later eras.

The cafeteria years are second-best, for me, with the dorm years (May 1979-October 1980) being the best era. The Edibles era is third-best, although I hate seeing Mrs. Garrett fade away. Like you, I do like the now-civilized Jo in the later eras.

The Eastland years in general are superior than the later seasons, except the 8th. I like Jo's change, after one or two seasons her "bad" behavior became boring.

In my opinion, season seven is the worst season for multiple reasons. Open that store was a bad idea, it didn't have the great atmosphere of Edna's Edibles. The girls at that point were women (which is great but women in real life choose to leave and go their own way), they added George for no reason and Mrs. Garrett became a ghost. Starting in season 5, her character, except some episodes, was getting less and less attention and, with her bakery store gone, she really had no role. The only thing I like from OOH period is the updated theme song, Tootie less childish and Jo less aggressive. Luckily, season 8 is a great improvement. I must say that season 9 too is okay but cafeteria years are the best.


I absolutely agree with you FOL FAN ITA!

I prefer the JO in the later seasons a lot more: she lost her aggressivity completely, and her and BLAIR bond even more; TOOTIE has matured indeed and stopped whining, NAT is still like her old self but more confident, BLAIR matures too and starts to loosen up, and MRS G is always the best up until season 7, where she than becomes a GHOST of herself....

So yes, this is how it goes for me in preference:

1. Pilot and season 1 are at the top! (BLAIR is the focus of the show and the main)

2. Season 5 + 6 'The Edna's Edibles' as next! (i love to see MRS G finally move into her own house/bakery with her 4 girls, and live with them like a real family)

3. Season 2 - 4 'The Eastland years': although i do like MRS G as a nutritionist, i have always preferred her as the housemother of the 7 girls. The dorms were so cozy and homey (like retro says).

4. Season 8 - 9: the 'later years' was definitely about the friendship of the 4 girls, and MRS G gone was no longer the focus (although i did miss her terribly after she left).

5. Season 7 the worst! (agree on that one with you too FOL FAN ITA: 'Over our head' was definitely the worst idea ever, worst acting, worst special guest stars and worse MRS G ever!!!!!(she was no longer present in spirit)

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I absolutely agree with you FOL FAN ITA!

I prefer the JO in the later seasons a lot more: she lost her aggressivity completely, and her and BLAIR bond even more; TOOTIE has matured indeed and stopped whining, NAT is still like her old self but more confident, BLAIR matures too and starts to loosen up, and MRS G is always the best up until season 7, where she than becomes a GHOST of herself....

So yes, this is how it goes for me in preference:

1. Pilot and season 1 are at the top! (BLAIR is the focus of the show and the main)

2. Season 5 + 6 'The Edna's Edibles' as next! (i love to see MRS G finally move into her own house/bakery with her 4 girls, and live with them like a real family)

3. Season 2 - 4 'The Eastland years': although i do like MRS G as a nutritionist, i have always preferred her as the housemother of the 7 girls. The dorms were so cozy and homey (like retro says).

4. Season 8 - 9: the 'later years' was definitely about the friendship of the 4 girls, and MRS G gone was no longer the focus (although i did miss her terribly after she left).

5. Season 7 the worst! (agree on that one with you too FOL FAN ITA: 'Over our head' was definitely the worst idea ever, worst acting, worst special guest stars and worse MRS G ever!!!!!(she was no longer present in spirit)

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Hi Valentina! I'm glad you like my comment:). I really like the relationship between the girls in season 8, this is the reason I continued watching the show after Mrs. Garrett left and after a disastrous season 7. They should have rebuilt the store again or ended the show with Mrs. Garrett's wedding. Anyway, I really like the evolution of Blair (as you said, Lisa Whelchel and Charlotte Rae were the focus). Of all the girls, Blair is the one that changed the most thanks to Mrs. Garrett's guidance. A housekeeper became the mentor of a rich and snobby girl, two different people who came from different backgrounds.

P.S. I read your fanfiction on that DS site. I really really like it, you did a wonderful job with the Mrs. G/Blair dynamic!

The Eastland years in general are superior than the later seasons, except the 8th. I like Jo's change, after one or two seasons her "bad" behavior became boring.

Agreed

Hi Valentina! I'm glad you like my comment:). I really like the relationship between the girls in season 8, this is the reason I continued watching the show after Mrs. Garrett left and after a disastrous season 7. They should have rebuilt the store again or ended the show with Mrs. Garrett's wedding. Anyway, I really like the evolution of Blair (as you said, Lisa Whelchel and Charlotte Rae were the focus). Of all the girls, Blair is the one that changed the most thanks to Mrs. Garrett's guidance. A housekeeper became the mentor of a rich and snobby girl, two different people who came from different backgrounds.

P.S. I read your fanfiction on that DS site. I really really like it, you did a wonderful job with the Mrs. G/Blair dynamic!


You read my story on the 'FANFICTION SITE' for DS? Wow! How did you know it was me????:D:D:D (It's the one called 'The girl's school' right?)

Yep, MRS G and BLAIR have always been my favourites from day one: i immediately saw the great dynamic between them, when MRS G was the housekeeper on the pilot and BLAIR the rebellious bad tempered kid, and i knew all along those two would make history, and boy was i right!:lol::lol::lol:

Wow! I really feel honoured you read i liked my story! (i write from time to time on the Fanfiction site ););););)

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You read my story on the 'FANFICTION SITE' for DS? Wow! How did you know it was me????:D:D:D (It's the one called 'The girl's school' right?)

Yep, MRS G and BLAIR have always been my favourites from day one: i immediately saw the great dynamic between them, when MRS G was the housekeeper on the pilot and BLAIR the rebellious bad tempered kid, and i knew all along those two would make history, and boy was i right!:lol::lol::lol:

Wow! I really feel honoured you read i liked my story! (i write from time to time on the Fanfiction site ););););)

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I found an old topic yesterday on the site. I know it was your story because of the feisty red haired line:lol::lol:

Mrs. Garrett and Blair are my favourite too. Blair changed a lot thanks to Mrs. G

I found an old topic yesterday on the site. I know it was your story because of the feisty red haired line:lol::lol:

Mrs. Garrett and Blair are my favourite too. Blair changed a lot thanks to Mrs. G



Ha ha ha that was me alright: i call MRS G the 'feisty red haired housemother' and BLAIR is the 'golden haired girl', yep indeed!:lol::lol::lol:

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Season 7 is with Tootie a senior at Eastland right? I'm thinking now, that this should've been set up as the final season. Have Tootie graduate, Mrs. G find love and marry, and everyone go their separate ways. And no Beverly needing to come. :lol:

At this point they're all adults now, and watching it quickly in syndication is startling to see just how fast they all grow up. And since Charlotte Rae definitely wanted out at this point, they should've folded up the tent when she left, since it was her show after all.

But many fans like the four girls. I like Mrs. G, but my main reason for watching the show was the four girls. My favorites are Tootie and Blair. I liked the later years and I enjoyed seeing the girls as adults.

But many fans like the four girls. I like Mrs. G, but my main reason for watching the show was the four girls. My favorites are Tootie and Blair. I liked the later years and I enjoyed seeing the girls as adults.


But MRS G was the main one on season 1: she held the girls together and kept them right, telling them right from wrong (our 'feisty red haired' is the best!):cheers::cheers::cheers:

But fish pens are a popular alternative to quiche.

But fish pens are a popular alternative to quiche.

Haha!

I'll always take quiche over a fish pen.

But fish pens are a popular alternative to quiche.

I still don't understand why Jo was so enthralled with those ugly pens throughout the whole episode. This is when she began to change into POD Jo because regular Jo wouldn't even have touched those things! :lol:

Yeah, well Original Jo would never have permed her hair, wore Golden Girls clothes, become a cop, dated that Rick dweeb, played the piano, or considered becoming a nun, either. :lol: The writers forgot who Jo was, as much as the new team on Gimme a Break forgot how to write Katie (according to Kari Michaelsen).

Yeah, well Original Jo would never have permed her hair, wore Golden Girls clothes, become a cop, dated that Rick dweeb, played the piano, or considered becoming a nun, either. :lol: The writers forgot who Jo was, as much as the new team on Gimme a Break forgot how to write Katie (according to Kari Michaelsen).




The writers also forgot who BLAIR was: she was the first one to turn into a POD (to my biggest regret)!!!!!!:crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

I can eat alotta quiche! I wouldn’t buy a single fish pen

Oh come on. These later seasons were awesome!

Oh come on. These later seasons were awesome!

I agree. 7-9 (and maybe 6) don’t get much love. I think they’re the most fun. Even Lisa Whelchel said she preferred the later years.

Oh come on. These later seasons were awesome!




After having begun watching SEASON 8 i agree with you: it's a terrific season!!!!
However, SEASON 7 is the worst!!!! (MRS G is a POD all the way through, and URCHIN ANDY keeps annoying everyone!!!!) :meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya::meangya:

Season 8 is def the best of the last 4 imo

Season 8 is def the best of the last 4 imo




SEASON 6 is just as good lol! (not 7 & 9 though):wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave:

I agree. 7-9 (and maybe 6) don’t get much love. I think they’re the most fun. Even Lisa Whelchel said she preferred the later years.

I agree with you. I prefer the later seasons. They were more fun. And that's so cool that Lisa agrees with us. :wave:

Yeah, well Original Jo would never have permed her hair, wore Golden Girls clothes, become a cop, dated that Rick dweeb, played the piano, or considered becoming a nun, either. :lol: The writers forgot who Jo was, as much as the new team on Gimme a Break forgot how to write Katie (according to Kari Michaelsen).

I actually prefer the milder/softer Jo of the later years.

I actually prefer the milder/softer Jo of the later years.

Well, to each his/her own. :wave:

wore Golden Girls clothes

Remember The Facts of Life was filmed before The Golden Girls. It was 80's fashion and we all know The Facts of Life was the show that always showcased the 80's. So I think it's actually The Golden Girls who wore The Facts of Life clothes :D I think a lot of The Golden Girls is from what The Facts of Life already established in the 80's though.

dated that Rick dweeb,

Of all 8 seasons with Jo, this is the only moment that really showed an out of character behavior. Jo would never had dated Rick for a few weeks and then all of a sudden agree to marry him. She most likely dated Sam in season 6's episode Taking A Chance on Love longer than Rick and was against settling down with him. Now all of a sudden a few years later she decides she wants to? She was just starting her career as a counselor helping people. That was more important to her than getting married. It was definitely a story just thrown in for closure on Jo's character since Nancy didn't want to do a season 10. I would have preferred Jo leave for a counseling job to bring her character to closure instead of having her marry some guy she didn't know. Not to mention weird. Rick was a complete goofball and as we saw the prior 7 years of guys Jo dated, he was not her type.

Remember The Facts of Life was filmed before The Golden Girls. It was 80's fashion and we all know The Facts of Life was the show that always showcased the 80's. So I think it's actually The Golden Girls who wore The Facts of Life clothes :D I think a lot of The Golden Girls is from what The Facts of Life already established in the 80's though.



Of all 8 seasons with Jo, this is the only moment that really showed an out of character behavior. Jo would never had dated Rick for a few weeks and then all of a sudden agree to marry him. She most likely dated Sam in season 6's episode Taking A Chance on Love longer than Rick and was against settling down with him. Now all of a sudden a few years later she decides she wants to? She was just starting her career as a counselor helping people. That was more important to her than getting married. It was definitely a story just thrown in for closure on Jo's character since Nancy didn't want to do a season 10. I would have preferred Jo leave for a counseling job to bring her character to closure instead of having her marry some guy she didn't know. Not to mention weird. Rick was a complete goofball and as we saw the prior 7 years of guys Jo dated, he was not her type.




I couldn't agree anymore with you Christopher!!!!!!:wave::wave::wave:

RICK was so out of character and had NO chemistry at all with JO: the 2 guys she dated (the Bates guy from 'Sweet sorrow' in season 3) and the college rich blond guy (from the episode 'Just my bill' in season 5) were a lot more suitable for her taste & also had the greatest dynamic with her!
Even EDDIE who i am not a great fun of, was more suitable for JO lol!

And yes: it would have been a better closure for JO to see her heading for a career, rather than some RANDOM guy she hardly knew!!!!!!

RICK is just a NO NO NO!!!!:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

I agree with you. I prefer the later seasons. They were more fun. And that's so cool that Lisa agrees with us. :wave:





I also like the later seasons, but i will ALWAYS prefer the earlier seasons when MRS G was the heart of the show: i like BEVERLY ANN, but the show just wasn't the same without our 'feisty red haired'.......:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

Remember The Facts of Life was filmed before The Golden Girls. It was 80's fashion and we all know The Facts of Life was the show that always showcased the 80's. So I think it's actually The Golden Girls who wore The Facts of Life clothes :D I think a lot of The Golden Girls is from what The Facts of Life already established in the 80's though.

I see what you're saying, but both shows, by this time, were being taped at Sunset Gower Studios. It's clear they were using the same wardrobe. What looked fabulous on Dorothy and Blanche looked dowdy and was like nothing the real Jo would ever have worn. It's like they were using the same wardrobe people.


Jo would never had dated Rick for a few weeks and then all of a sudden agree to marry him. She most likely dated Sam in season 6's episode Taking A Chance on Love longer than Rick and was against settling down with him. Now all of a sudden a few years later she decides she wants to? She was just starting her career as a counselor helping people. That was more important to her than getting married. It was definitely a story just thrown in for closure on Jo's character since Nancy didn't want to do a season 10. I would have preferred Jo leave for a counseling job to bring her character to closure instead of having her marry some guy she didn't know. Not to mention weird. Rick was a complete goofball and as we saw the prior 7 years of guys Jo dated, he was not her type.

Jo marrying Rick after such a short period of dating him was so bizarre. In the original airings, I actually missed his introduction, so I was pretty shocked, to say the least, when they suddenly got married.

As you say, they definitely wanted closure for Jo, but it was so sudden it felt very, very wrong.

I see what you're saying, but both shows, by this time, were being taped at Sunset Gower Studios. It's clear they were using the same wardrobe. What looked fabulous on Dorothy and Blanche looked dowdy and was like nothing the real Jo would ever have worn. It's like they were using the same wardrobe people.

I think the bad fashion started in season 6. Remember the one piece suits they had the girls in for Gone With The Wind? Those fashion styles that were bulky started on The Facts of Life before The Golden Girls began airing. They definitely did a lot of different styles for Nancy when she dropped the ponytail hair style. Season 8 is the only later season where she's in clothes Jo would wear. She's in jeans majority of the episodes and dress shirts. Season 9 they made her into a sex object by putting her in skirts that ya know I don't think Jo would wear :lol: Jo always seemed like a jeans girl than skirts. They also had lots of makeup on Nancy in season 9 and the red finger nail polish. She was a girly girl in season 9 compared to the tomboy girl the previous 7 years.


Jo marrying Rick after such a short period of dating him was so bizarre. In the original airings, I actually missed his introduction, so I was pretty shocked, to say the least, when they suddenly got married.

As you say, they definitely wanted closure for Jo, but it was so sudden it felt very, very wrong.

I agree it was definitely bizarre. Jo seasons 2 - 8 was about working and building a career for herself. Now all of a sudden she's ready to marry the first dude that comes along while she's trying to make a career in social work? And she married a guy who didn't have a steady job, who in his first episode thought he was going to die, took Andy out to a bar, let him drive, and so on. I mean Jo from seasons 2 - 8 wouldn't have given that guy the time of day. Now she's marrying that type of guy? Since the writers wanted to close off Jo that year by getting married, they should have brought back someone Jo already dated. Rick was so forced and sudden that it isn't something Jo would have done.

Since Nancy objected stories for Jo in previous years, I wonder if she was just done in season 9 that she didn't care what the writers were doing?

I think the bad fashion started in season 6. Remember the one piece suits they had the girls in for Gone With The Wind?

Oh, god, yes! :lol:

But actually, I don't consider what the Golden Girls wore "bad fashion"; I just think it was totally inappropriate for someone decades younger to be wearing the same type of clothing. What worked well on Bea Arthur didn't work well for someone playing Jo Polniaczek.


Those fashion styles that were bulky started on The Facts of Life before The Golden Girls began airing.

That's a good point.

They definitely did a lot of different styles for Nancy when she dropped the ponytail hair style. Season 8 is the only later season where she's in clothes Jo would wear. She's in jeans majority of the episodes and dress shirts. Season 9 they made her into a sex object by putting her in skirts that ya know I don't think Jo would wear :lol: Jo always seemed like a jeans girl than skirts. They also had lots of makeup on Nancy in season 9 and the red finger nail polish. She was a girly girl in season 9 compared to the tomboy girl the previous 7 years.

The nail polish and makeup and hair just didn't fit Jo. I wouldn't have minded seeing her dressed up once in a while, but where was the "wildcat" of previous seasons? It was like they wanted to bury the things that made Jo... Jo. :eek:


I agree it was definitely bizarre. Jo seasons 2 - 8 was about working and building a career for herself. Now all of a sudden she's ready to marry the first dude that comes along while she's trying to make a career in social work? And she married a guy who didn't have a steady job, who in his first episode thought he was going to die, took Andy out to a bar, let him drive, and so on. I mean Jo from seasons 2 - 8 wouldn't have given that guy the time of day. Now she's marrying that type of guy?

Exactly.

Since the writers wanted to close off Jo that year by getting married, they should have brought back someone Jo already dated. Rick was so forced and sudden that it isn't something Jo would have done.

Since Nancy objected stories for Jo in previous years, I wonder if she was just done in season 9 that she didn't care what the writers were doing?

I suspect that must have been the case. Nancy wasn't one to pull punches, and if she didn't like something on the set, she would have said something. So either she liked the "softening of Jo", or by Season 9, she was ready to move on (which I can't blame her for, after completing seven seasons already).

The nail polish and makeup and hair just didn't fit Jo. I wouldn't have minded seeing her dressed up once in a while, but where was the "wildcat" of previous seasons? It was like they wanted to bury the things that made Jo... Jo. :eek:

Season 9 Jo was all talk and arrogant. There's a scene where she tells Pippa, "Who can be cooler than me and...well me?" Jo from the previous seasons would give advice to kids on how to make friends instead of interrupting to them, "you're friends with me and I'm cool so let it go." :rolleyes: ohno: Jo actually gave good advice years prior. Even to people like Kelly who didn't deserve it. Remember Jo telling Kelly, "what do you care what anyone thinks of you?" Even in season 8, just a year prior season 9, she's there giving advice and helping people like Blair in Where's Poppa or Enrico in The Wedding Day. I don't know how Nancy was ok with the dramatic changes in Jo season 9.


I suspect that must have been the case. Nancy wasn't one to pull punches, and if she didn't like something on the set, she would have said something. So either she liked the "softening of Jo", or by Season 9, she was ready to move on (which I can't blame her for, after completing seven seasons already).

Well I tend to think it's the latter. Mindy confirmed NBC wanted a season 10, but her and Nancy refused. Nancy went in season 9 knowing it was her last so most likely was fine with whatever crap the writers had for her to do because it was going to be their last season doing it to her. See I lose respect for performers like this. I feel they're disrespecting the fans who invested years with the not just the character they're doing, but the performer themselves because of how well they do the acting. When the performer stops caring, they're telling the fans I don't care about you. They should take pride in the work they do.

For example Sarah Michelle Gellar on Buffy. She hated season 6 and knew season 7 was going to be her last season as Buffy. She said she talked to Joss, the creator, and wanted Buffy to go back to being a role model. She wasn't fine with how Buffy was portrayed in season 6 and wanted the lighter, positive Buffy back to end the show on. She cared what was being produced out of her performances showing she cared what fans were seeing. If performers are going to do TV work, they need to be committed and make sure the character they're portraying isn't losing themselves for agendas or cheap thrills and whatnot.

Season 9 Jo was all talk and arrogant. There's a scene where she tells Pippa, "Who can be cooler than me and...well me?" Jo from the previous seasons would give advice to kids on how to make friends instead of interrupting to them, "you're friends with me and I'm cool so let it go." Jo actually gave good advice years prior. Even to people like Kelly who didn't deserve it. Remember Jo telling Kelly, "what do you care what anyone thinks of you?" Even in season 8, just a year prior season 9, she's there giving advice and helping people like Blair in Where's Poppa or Enrico in The Wedding Day. I don't know how Nancy was ok with the dramatic changes in Jo season 9.




Well I tend to think it's the latter. Mindy confirmed NBC wanted a season 10, but her and Nancy refused. Nancy went in season 9 knowing it was her last so most likely was fine with whatever crap the writers had for her to do because it was going to be their last season doing it to her. See I lose respect for performers like this. I feel they're disrespecting the fans who invested years with the not just the character they're doing, but the performer themselves because of how well they do the acting. When the performer stops caring, they're telling the fans I don't care about you. They should take pride in the work they do.

For example Sarah Michelle Gellar on Buffy. She hated season 6 and knew season 7 was going to be her last season as Buffy. She said she talked to Joss, the creator, and wanted Buffy to go back to being a role model. She wasn't fine with how Buffy was portrayed in season 6 and wanted the lighter, positive Buffy back to end the show on. She cared what was being produced out of her performances showing she cared what fans were seeing. If performers are going to do TV work, they need to be committed and make sure the character they're portraying isn't losing themselves for agendas or cheap thrills and whatnot.




You're absolutely right about season 8 Christopher: it's a strong one indeed!!!!:wave::wave:

I especially love the relationship between between JO & BLAIR: those 2 really became sisters, and it's like they can read each other's mind!!!!:grouphug::grouphug:

BEVERLY ANN is also a great addition to the show: you can tell how much she wants to bond with her sister's girls, and she eventually succeeds!!!! (she may not be our 'feisty red haired', but she's got a heart as big as her!):bighug::bighug::bighug:

I like ANDY better in season 8 than in the 7: maybe it's BEVERLY ANN's influence, or maybe he's growing up:bouncers:bouncers

To conclude: the writing is definitely STRONG, and the stories hilarious!!!!
So far, 'Seven little Indians' is my favourite!!!!! (sorry cfr 1970 but i just love it!!!!).
I kept bursting out in laughter every time ROD SERLING clone from the 'Twilight zone' made his speech lol!!!!:groucho:groucho:groucho:

SEASON 8 is almost becoming my second favourite (The pilot and season 1 are still on my top list!)

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You're absolutely right about season 8 Christopher: it's a strong one indeed!!!!

I especially love the relationship between between JO & BLAIR: those 2 really became sisters, and it's like they can read each other's mind!!!!

BEVERLY ANN is also a great addition to the show: you can tell how much she wants to bond with her sister's girls, and she eventually succeeds!!!! (she may not be our 'feisty red haired', but she's got a heart as big as her!)

I like ANDY better in season 8 than in the 7: maybe it's BEVERLY ANN's influence, or maybe he's growing up

To conclude: the writing is definitely STRONG, and the stories hilarious!!!!
So far, 'Seven little Indians' is my favourite!!!!! (sorry cfr 1970 but i just love it!!!!).
I kept bursting out in laughter every time ROD SERLING clone from the 'Twilight zone' made his speech lol!!!!

SEASON 8 is almost becoming my second favourite (The pilot and season 1 are still on my top list!)

I'm glad you're liking season 8. It's my second favorite season. I like Seven Little Indians too. It reminded me of how the girls acted in the Halloween episode all scared and panic. The best part of Beverly Ann is that she's her own character and not a copy of the one she replaced. Oh if she was like Mrs. Garrett, I would agree with the haters of her here. However, she was different and brought a new aspect to the show. Just for season 8 anyways. I didn't care much for her presence in season 9. She was just wasted and it felt out of place because the girls stopped socializing with her. She was mainly the guardian of Andy and Pippa in season 9 than a friend to the core four which was sad to see change from season 8.

I'm glad you're liking season 8. It's my second favorite season. I like Seven Little Indians too. It reminded me of how the girls acted in the Halloween episode all scared and panic. The best part of Beverly Ann is that she's her own character and not a copy of the one she replaced. Oh if she was like Mrs. Garrett, I would agree with the haters of her here. However, she was different and brought a new aspect to the show. Just for season 8 anyways. I didn't care much for her presence in season 9. She was just wasted and it felt out of place because the girls stopped socializing with her. She was mainly the guardian of Andy and Pippa in season 9 than a friend to the core four which was sad to see change from season 8.




BEVERLY ANN was the best one in the episode 'Seven little Indians': she had that spookiness in her, and the acting was superb!!!!! (she reminded me of some of the 'Twilight zones' episodes and also a bit of a MISS MARPLES, while she was trying to guess who the murder is)

We're close in taste: season 8 comes as your second favourite (although i know season 2 is on your top list, whereas season 1 is on my top list)

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Well I tend to think it's the latter. Mindy confirmed NBC wanted a season 10, but her and Nancy refused. Nancy went in season 9 knowing it was her last so most likely was fine with whatever crap the writers had for her to do because it was going to be their last season doing it to her. See I lose respect for performers like this. I feel they're disrespecting the fans who invested years with the not just the character they're doing, but the performer themselves because of how well they do the acting. When the performer stops caring, they're telling the fans I don't care about you. They should take pride in the work they do.

It's possible, also, that she just grew weary of trying to get the writing right: that she tried, but just gradually... gave up.

And it does seem clear that the girls did seem to give up towards the end. Not just Nancy, but Mindy as well: heck, she phoned her last episode in! I know Kim was going to university, and I don't blame her for wanting to complete college...


For example Sarah Michelle Gellar on Buffy. She hated season 6 and knew season 7 was going to be her last season as Buffy. She said she talked to Joss, the creator, and wanted Buffy to go back to being a role model. She wasn't fine with how Buffy was portrayed in season 6 and wanted the lighter, positive Buffy back to end the show on. She cared what was being produced out of her performances showing she cared what fans were seeing. If performers are going to do TV work, they need to be committed and make sure the character they're portraying isn't losing themselves for agendas or cheap thrills and whatnot.

I didn't have a problem with Buffy being out of it after her death and resurrection, or the idea that she might spend some time recovering from that. But it felt strange for Buffy to spend so long (a year!) recovering from the trauma. Old Buffy, even Season Four Buffy, would never have taken that long to get her mojo back.

I greatly respect the work Sarah Michelle did on Buffy. As you say, she pushed back on Joss when she felt the character wasn't being true to herself.

It's possible, also, that she just grew weary of trying to get the writing right: that she tried, but just gradually... gave up.

And it does seem clear that the girls did seem to give up towards the end. Not just Nancy, but Mindy as well: heck, she phoned her last episode in! I know Kim was going to university, and I don't blame her for wanting to complete college...

Oh yeah, season 9 Mindy was definitely over the series as well. I forget about her because her ending doesn't seem that unlikely for the character she played. Natalie was always about seeing the world and trying new experiences. I expected the character to go off on her own since that's how she was portrayed. Did Mindy choose to phone in her last scene or was that the writer's decision?



I didn't have a problem with Buffy being out of it after her death and resurrection, or the idea that she might spend some time recovering from that. But it felt strange for Buffy to spend so long (a year!) recovering from the trauma. Old Buffy, even Season Four Buffy, would never have taken that long to get her mojo back.

I greatly respect the work Sarah Michelle did on Buffy. As you say, she pushed back on Joss when she felt the character wasn't being true to herself.

I'm glad it lasted a whole season because it was more believable Buffy was hurting and didn't know how to bounce back. Joss was all about making Buffy a realistic series for people to relate to. You don't just go into a depression, act in ways you'd never have before, and have it all magically better in a few weeks. Just like with Buffy in what happened with Willow to bring her out of it, it takes a major event to snap someone back to reality. I love how realistic Buffy was in season 6.

I respect any TV performer that is committed to the work they do for fans. Did you ever watch Night Court? I read a piece about how disappointed the cast and crew was that they were renewed for a season 9. They all had stopped caring about the show by that point and wanted out. They did the worst writing EVER for a last season of a TV series. The Facts of Life season 9 is Emmy worthy compared to Night Court season 9. I know we criticize how The Facts of Life ended, but at least they didn't send one of their characters to space to live with aliens like Night Court did. After watching season 9 of that show, they really gave the fans a big "F-you" for watching the show. It makes it hard rewatching the series knowing how little they cared about the fans.

Oh yeah, season 9 Mindy was definitely over the series as well. I forget about her because her ending doesn't seem that unlikely for the character she played. Natalie was always about seeing the world and trying new experiences. I expected the character to go off on her own since that's how she was portrayed. Did Mindy choose to phone in her last scene or was that the writer's decision?

I don't know the answer to that, but I doubt the producers were like, "let's just write Mindy out of this episode." I suspect they were working with her schedule, because they were definitely working with Kim's schedule. As you know, Kim was attending Pepperdine, so that final year, her role was somewhat reduced.


I respect any TV performer that is committed to the work they do for fans. Did you ever watch Night Court? I read a piece about how disappointed the cast and crew was that they were renewed for a season 9. They all had stopped caring about the show by that point and wanted out. They did the worst writing EVER for a last season of a TV series.

I was never a serious Night Court watcher (only watched occasionally), but for me, the worst writing EVER for a last season was the original run of Roseanne: that ninth season was partially "written" by her untrained children, who had no experience writing for television, film, or even plays.

There wasn't a single decent episode, and even the final episode was marred by Roseanne's decision to alter the show, somewhat senselessly, with basic things like which daughter married which Healey boy now altered. They had to write that whole final season out of existence when they made the reboot decades later.


The Facts of Life season 9 is Emmy worthy compared to Night Court season 9. I know we criticize how The Facts of Life ended, but at least they didn't send one of their characters to space to live with aliens like Night Court did. After watching season 9 of that show, they really gave the fans a big "F-you" for watching the show. It makes it hard rewatching the series knowing how little they cared about the fans.

Bull? Yeah, I vaguely remember that.

I don't know the answer to that, but I doubt the producers were like, "let's just write Mindy out of this episode." I suspect they were working with her schedule, because they were definitely working with Kim's schedule. As you know, Kim was attending Pepperdine, so that final year, her role was somewhat reduced.

Tootie was the only character that had the proper ending. Rewatching the Tootie episodes of season 9, I wish they had made Todd a regular cast member because him and Kim had the best chemistry for a couple. I would have preferred seeing more of them than Jo being a POD.


I was never a serious Night Court watcher (only watched occasionally), but for me, the worst writing EVER for a last season was the original run of Roseanne: that ninth season was partially "written" by her untrained children, who had no experience writing for television, film, or even plays.

There wasn't a single decent episode, and even the final episode was marred by Roseanne's decision to alter the show, somewhat senselessly, with basic things like which daughter married which Healey boy now altered. They had to write that whole final season out of existence when they made the reboot decades later.

I agree Roseanne's last season was bad, but I liked the series finale. I never saw those last few minutes of the show coming. I doubt anyone did. Dan was dead, Jackie was a lesbian, Darlene and Becky had each other's husbands instead, and so many other reveals. I thought it was clever. I was disappointed to see it was all part of a book in the season 10 premiere.

Even with that, Night Court was still worst. In season 8 they killed off a character only to bring the actor back in a completely different character. Well in season 9 they made that different character the same as the one who died the previous year. When shows make a story a complete waste, they literally have no regards for what fans care about.



Bull? Yeah, I vaguely remember that.

Yep. The sent Bull to space and ruined Dan's character making him a weak, love sick puppy. That wasn't who Dan was in the first 8 years but they stopped caring. I'm glad The Facts of Life wasn't that bad their last year.