1979-80 season which led to the retooling of the show and just focus on 4 girls. Normally when a show is ranked that low after it's first season it is a instant cancellation.

1979-80 season which led to the retooling of the show and just focus on 4 girls. Normally when a show is ranked that low after it's first season it is a instant cancellation.


WHAT???? NO WAY!:confused::confused::confused:

WHAT???? NO WAY!:confused::confused::confused:

After the 1st season the show was ranked 74th out of 79 shows and that's why they retooled the show and only had 4 girls in season 2

I’m sorry. I’m really not trying to stir the pot, but you’re status is “Forum Legend” and you’re honestly claiming to have not known this?

It didn’t have great ratings, true, but it was given a second chance with the hopes it might pull a bigger audience.

I’m sorry. I’m really not trying to stir the pot, but you’re status is “Forum Legend” and you’re honestly claiming to have not known this?

It didn’t have great ratings, true, but it was given a second chance with the hopes it might pull a bigger audience.

I never knew it was the lowest rated NBC show after it's 1st season

I never knew it was the lowest rated NBC show after it's 1st season

But the ratings went up by quite a bit during the summer reruns in 1980.

But the ratings went up by quite a bit during the summer reruns in 1980.

They did. The show actually entered the top 20 over the summer, once its time slot was changed.

To put this into perspective though, just look at the dates that first season aired---

ep 1--8/24/79
ep2--8/31/79
ep3--9/7/79
ep4--9/14/79

And the next episode didn't air until 3/12/80. Keep in mind, those first 4 episodes were still in summer before the fall TV season even began, so it was naturally hard to find an audience when most people were still outside enjoying their summer vacations rather than back in front of the TV in the evenings.

And when March rolled around, i'm sure most viewers were all like "what the hell is this show with all these screaming girls and why the hell is Mrs. Garrett from Different Strokes living with them all?"

The way those first season weeks were separated between summer and spring would naturally make any new sitcom back then have terrible ratings. Also, and thankfully, back then shows were given more time and patience to find an audience in comparison to today.

I’m sorry. I’m really not trying to stir the pot, but you’re status is “Forum Legend” and you’re honestly claiming to have not known this?

It's possible he didn't. Back in the day, he was mainly about Good Times not being a spinoff of Maude and had that discussion on so many boards here :lol: I don't know if he ever posted on this forum before recently. If he's a newer fan of the show, he's probably learning a lot about the show behind the scenes and wants to share.

Forum legend doesn't really hold much value on here. If you go to the Chit Chat Politics board, you'll see a member who only posts news topics post after post in her own threads. She's a Forum Legend because she does that. She's made 16 threads like that and they get closed after a little over 1,000 posts. I don't think that should qualify you a Forum Legend since the only one you're posting for is yourself.


I never knew it was the lowest rated NBC show after it's 1st season

This topic has been discussed a lot here. If you do a search, you'll find many threads of the first season fans trying to justify the bad ratings and give excuses it was doing better in reruns. The first season didn't work. After the retooling, NBC had a show that became a hit and a trend setter for female cast shows. I fall in with the majority of viewers that prefer the show at the start of season two with Mrs. Garrett and her four girls.

It's possible he didn't. Back in the day, he was mainly about Good Times not being a spinoff of Maude and had that discussion on so many boards here :lol: I don't know if he ever posted on this forum before recently. If he's a newer fan of the show, he's probably learning a lot about the show behind the scenes and wants to share.

Forum legend doesn't really hold much value on here. If you go to the Chit Chat Politics board, you'll see a member who only posts news topics post after post in her own threads. She's a Forum Legend because she does that. She's made 16 threads like that and they get closed after a little over 1,000 posts. I don't think that should qualify you a Forum Legend since the only one you're posting for is yourself.


In syndication?

This topic has been discussed a lot here. If you do a search, you'll find many threads of the first season fans trying to justify the bad ratings and give excuses it was doing better in reruns. The first season didn't work. After the retooling, NBC had a show that became a hit and a trend setter for female cast shows. I fall in with the majority of viewers that prefer the show at the start of season two with Mrs. Garrett and her four girls.

I'm thinking that my post in this thread https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=390071 is what inspired the creation of this thread.

I'm thinking that my post in this thread https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=390071 is what inspired the creation of this thread.

you are correct

Here is a list of shows that didn't do well in their first season and later became hit series. The X-Files is one. https://www.ranker.com/list/great-tv-shows-with-bad-first-seasons/alexandra-plesa

Forum legend doesn't really hold much value on here. If you go to the Chit Chat Politics board, you'll see a member who only posts news topics post after post in her own threads. She's a Forum Legend because she does that. She's made 16 threads like that and they get closed after a little over 1,000 posts. I don't think that should qualify you a Forum Legend since the only one you're posting for is yourself.

Jeez...yeah, "Forum Legend" that is not, lol.


This topic has been discussed a lot here. If you do a search, you'll find many threads of the first season fans trying to justify the bad ratings and give excuses it was doing better in reruns.

Well, it did do better in reruns. I had no idea of that until I saw others posting the research here. I know there's been debates on both sides, but I think it was a combination: It was building a bigger audience in reruns, it was promoted as returning, and after it came back retooled, fans stuck around and more showed up to check it out and jump on board.

Forum legend doesn't really hold much value on here. If you go to the Chit Chat Politics board, you'll see a member who only posts news topics post after post in her own threads. She's a Forum Legend because she does that. She's made 16 threads like that and they get closed after a little over 1,000 posts. I don't think that should qualify you a Forum Legend since the only one you're posting for is yourself.

If you call that "news"... :lol:

If you call that "news"... :lol:

Well she calls it "News you can use" so who knows :lol: I don't think she posts on any other forum either. I think the politics board with her "news" posts are all she does here.

Well, whoops. Maybe the self-isolation is hitting me hard than I thought!

Well she calls it "News you can use" so who knows :lol: I don't think she posts on any other forum either. I think the politics board with her "news" posts are all she does here.

Lemme get this straight: Someone seeks out a website community of sitcom message boards to only post on a politics board?

What does she do, go to CNN's website and post about "Seinfeld"?

;)

Lemme get this straight: Someone seeks out a website community of sitcom message boards to only post on a politics board?

What does she do, go to CNN's website and post about "Seinfeld"?

;)

There's a bunch of other topics there to chat about...I see people even talk about what they ate for breakfast too. :lol:

I think it's great this site is so well rounded where people can basically talk about anything.

I see people even talk about what they ate for breakfast too. :lol:

Vegan chocolate chip mini muffins and organic orange juice! :D

:lol:

Vegan chocolate chip mini muffins and organic orange juice! :D

:lol:


You're keeping very healthy: does that mean you don't eat meat, or did u just like to try out a 'vegan' dessert?:wave:

You're keeping very healthy: does that mean you don't eat meat, or did u just like to try out a 'vegan' dessert?:wave:

I realize my post does make me sound super vegan, lol. Well, I don't "not eat meat", I just basically reduce my red meat, and go for organic options of foods I like when available. For meat I do enjoy turkey, chicken, and fish a lot. Some grocery stores around here have some nice organic choices, plus there are a few health food stores around. :)

I realize my post does make me sound super vegan, lol. Well, I don't "not eat meat", I just basically reduce my red meat, and go for organic options of foods I like when available. For meat I do enjoy turkey, chicken, and fish a lot. Some grocery stores around here have some nice organic choices, plus there are a few health food stores around. :)

Same here! I'm hardly a "vegan" but as I get older, the thought of eating red meat just isn't appetizing anymore. Turkey and chicken are fine, but I just have no desire for red meat anymore. I used to love steaks, but I pass them in the grocery and all that red meat just looks gross now. All I see are dead animal parts. :lol:

Same here! I'm hardly a "vegan" but as I get older, the thought of eating red meat just isn't appetizing anymore. Turkey and chicken are fine, but I just have no desire for red meat anymore. I used to love steaks, but I pass them in the grocery and all that red meat just looks gross now. All I see are dead animal parts. :lol:


I have never been much of a 'red meat' myself (to be honest i don't eat much meat lol) and as a kid i wasn't even able to chew: i remember taking the meat out of my mouth and hide it in a napkin yikes!:lol::lol::lol:
I prefer much more sausages or fish.....

Lemme get this straight: Someone seeks out a website community of sitcom message boards to only post on a politics board?

What does she do, go to CNN's website and post about "Seinfeld"?

;)

It's my understanding that that member may be differently-abled. The News posts actually don't make much sense. I did ask her, once, why she was posting those threads, and didn't get much of a response. If it helps her in some way, then it's causing no harm, so I personally don't see a problem with it.

Same here! I'm hardly a "vegan" but as I get older, the thought of eating red meat just isn't appetizing anymore. Turkey and chicken are fine, but I just have no desire for red meat anymore. I used to love steaks, but I pass them in the grocery and all that red meat just looks gross now. All I see are dead animal parts. :lol:

See? You might like Molly a bit after all! :lol:

Wasn't NBC a real train wreck in the late 1970s?

I think ABC had the biggest hits followed by CBS.

Wasn't NBC a real train wreck in the late 1970s?

I think ABC had the biggest hits followed by CBS.


Yes they only had 1 sitcom in the top ten from 1975-1979 and that was Sanford and Son. And one show in the top ten overall from 1975 to 1979 and that was Little House on the Prarie

See? You might like Molly a bit after all! :lol:

Actually no...i'm now worried about her! The poor girl doesn't even eat meat either?! My God just what the hell did that little girl do for fun? She's like 12 and already a vegan sjw feminist. Maybe today that wouldn't bat an eye...but in 1979 that was a full fledged weirdo for a little girl that age! Were all the other girls annoyed by her? Because she sure doesn't sound like a fun character. :lol:

Now i'm really going to pay attention to season 1 a lot more!

Hahaha, no cfr, I was having fun, she's not an extreme vegan, lol.

Hahaha, no cfr, I was having fun, she's not an extreme vegan, lol.

Except in that Lost Episode, "Molly's Holiday Recipe" - Molly Parker (Molly Ringwald) decides to go on a crash vegan diet to impress her Social Justice 101 teacher. Jane Fonda guest stars.

Except in that Lost Episode, "Molly's Holiday Recipe" - Molly Parker (Molly Ringwald) decides to go on a crash vegan diet to impress her Social Justice 101 teacher. Jane Fonda guest stars.

:brent

Actually no...i'm now worried about her! The poor girl doesn't even eat meat either?! My God just what the hell did that little girl do for fun? She's like 12 and already a vegan sjw feminist. Maybe today that wouldn't bat an eye...but in 1979 that was a full fledged weirdo for a little girl that age! Were all the other girls annoyed by her? Because she sure doesn't sound like a fun character. :lol:

Now i'm really going to pay attention to season 1 a lot more!

Well, Molly Ringwald did say in her 1986 worse job ever interview that kids at her real school that that kids thought she was weird and the person she would like to meet the most was Bob Dylan.

I thought Molly ate the mystery meat in "Dieting".

Well, Molly Ringwald did say in her 1986 worse job ever interview that kids at her real school that that kids thought she was weird and the person she would like to meet the most was Bob Dylan.

I thought Molly ate the mystery meat in "Dieting".

Is it safe to say her character on FOL is pretty much an accurate portrayal of who she is in real life? Heck, they even share the same name!

Well, Molly Ringwald did say in her 1986 worse job ever interview that kids at her real school that that kids thought she was weird and the person she would like to meet the most was Bob Dylan.

Hope she got her wish!


I thought Molly ate the mystery meat in "Dieting".

She did, as well as the cinnamon buns. Good thing Eastland got a school dietician the following year, because meat and cinnamon buns are not a balanced meal! :lol:

Hope she got her wish!



She did, as well as the cinnamon buns. Good thing Eastland got a school dietician the following year, because meat and cinnamon buns are not a balanced meal! :lol:

Haha! Nope, Sue Ann def coulda used a dietician in dieting

Is it safe to say her character on FOL is pretty much an accurate portrayal of who she is in real life? Heck, they even share the same name!

The characters were originally very similar to the girls who were cast: Julie Pie's character (Sue Ann) came from the Midwest, just like her. Julie Anne's character (Cindy) did backflips, while Julie Anne herself was involved in gymnastics. Mindy was a funny girl, much like Natalie. Molly, Laura, and Jennifer were simply named Molly, Laura, and Jennifer.

The character of Blair seems to have been the first girl with a personality different than the actresses'. Lisa read a line kind of snobbily while looking at Julie Pie's posterior, and the writers loved that take, re-writing Blair from the fast-talking Texan girl she had been (which was based on Lisa) into the snobby rich girl from Manhattan, providing for some conflict among the girls. Thus, Julie Pie's butt created the character of Blair Warner! :lol:

Jo was also not at all like Nancy McKeon. After seeing Little Darlings, they wanted a Fonzie-type character, and called her Foxy. That was the origin of Jo.

The characters were originally very similar to the girls who were cast: Julie Pie's character (Sue Ann) came from the Midwest, just like her. Julie Anne's character (Cindy) did backflips, while Julie Anne herself was involved in gymnastics. Mindy was a funny girl, much like Natalie. Molly, Laura, and Jennifer were simply named Molly, Laura, and Jennifer.

The character of Blair seems to have been the first girl with a personality different than the actresses'. Lisa read a line kind of snobbily while looking at Julie Pie's posterior, and the writers loved that take, re-writing Blair from the fast-talking Texan girl she had been (which was based on Lisa) into the snobby rich girl from Manhattan, providing for some conflict among the girls. Thus, Julie Pie's butt created the character of Blair Warner! :lol:

Jo was also not at all like Nancy McKeon. After seeing Little Darlings, they wanted a Fonzie-type character, and called her Foxy. That was the origin of Jo.


Interesting facts about LISA WHELCHEL and NANCY MCKEON: it turned out that both of them played personalities different than themselves and those 2 became huge stars!:D:D:D

The characters were originally very similar to the girls who were cast: Julie Pie's character (Sue Ann) came from the Midwest, just like her. Julie Anne's character (Cindy) did backflips, while Julie Anne herself was involved in gymnastics. Mindy was a funny girl, much like Natalie. Molly, Laura, and Jennifer were simply named Molly, Laura, and Jennifer.

The character of Blair seems to have been the first girl with a personality different than the actresses'. Lisa read a line kind of snobbily while looking at Julie Pie's posterior, and the writers loved that take, re-writing Blair from the fast-talking Texan girl she had been (which was based on Lisa) into the snobby rich girl from Manhattan, providing for some conflict among the girls. Thus, Julie Pie's butt created the character of Blair Warner! :lol:

Jo was also not at all like Nancy McKeon. After seeing Little Darlings, they wanted a Fonzie-type character, and called her Foxy. That was the origin of Jo.

Wow! That's interesting how Blair's character was changed! Was this during a regular rehearsal or her audition? If it was after the audition and the show had started, does that mean we see Blair as the fast talking Texan early on in the series? Or was she the Manhattan snob right from the start? I love learning this inside stuff!

Wow! That's interesting how Blair's character was changed! Was this during a regular rehearsal or her audition? If it was after the audition and the show had started, does that mean we see Blair as the fast talking Texan early on in the series? Or was she the Manhattan snob right from the start? I love learning this inside stuff!


I really cannot wait until you get your DS DVD set from 'The girls school' so you can watch it and see the difference lol! (please let us know when you do):happyface:happyface:happyface

Wow! That's interesting how Blair's character was changed! Was this during a regular rehearsal or her audition? If it was after the audition and the show had started, does that mean we see Blair as the fast talking Texan early on in the series? Or was she the Manhattan snob right from the start? I love learning this inside stuff!

By the time of the DS backdoor pilot, Blair is already a blue-blood snob. However, her Daisy Duke outfit screams "Texas". So it seems she was possibly in the process of evolving during the backdoor pilot.

And if you'd like to learn more inside stuff, you should watch some of the documentaries, one of which is linked in my signature, and another in the Reelz thread. :)

I really cannot wait until you get your DS DVD set from 'The girls school' so you can watch it and see the difference lol! (please let us know when you do):happyface:happyface:happyface

Oh definitely! I should get it soon!! :)

By the time of the DS backdoor pilot, Blair is already a blue-blood snob. However, her Daisy Duke outfit screams "Texas". So it seems she was possibly in the process of evolving during the backdoor pilot.

And if you'd like to learn more inside stuff, you should watch some of the documentaries, one of which is linked in my signature, and another in the Reelz thread. :)

Thanks, i'll check those out. So she's dressed like Daisy Duke in the DS pilot that's on the DS dvd? I can't wait to see that!

Thanks, i'll check those out. So she's dressed like Daisy Duke in the DS pilot that's on the DS dvd? I can't wait to see that!


i can't wait until you get it lol! (the girls look kind of different and so young!):wave::wave:

i can't wait until you get it lol! (the girls look kind of different and so young!):wave::wave:

Yes. Soooo young! :baby:

Yes. Soooo young! :baby:

I just ordered the DS season 1 on Ebay! Got it for $5 bucks with free shipping!! Estimated delivery says April 7, but who knows in these times. I don't even know if post offices are open for people to ship lol.

It ships from Jacksonville and i'm in Orlando so it should hopefully arrive quick!! :yippee:

I just ordered the DS season 1 on Ebay! Got it for $5 bucks with free shipping!! Estimated delivery says April 7, but who knows in these times. I don't even know if post offices are open for people to ship lol.

It ships from Jacksonville and i'm in Orlando so it should hopefully arrive quick!! :yippee:

Oh, I had no idea you were in Orlando! When I worked at Disney, I lived Kissimmee-adjacent, in St. Cloud. Orlando is quite the area! Always hopping...

I just ordered the DS season 1 on Ebay! Got it for $5 bucks with free shipping!!

Yay! More Mrs. Garrett for cfr! :clap:


Estimated delivery says April 7, but who knows in these times. I don't even know if post offices are open for people to ship lol.

Yes, thankfully, post offices and UPS stores are still open---and thank you for saying that, you reminded me I wanted to do an Amazon order! Thanks! lol


It ships from Jacksonville and i'm in Orlando so it should hopefully arrive quick!! :yippee:

Oh wow! And all this time I thought you were a yankee way up there in New York! But you're really down closer to the Golden Girls in the sunshine state! :lol:

Oh, I had no idea you were in Orlando! When I worked at Disney, I lived Kissimmee-adjacent, in St. Cloud. Orlando is quite the area! Always hopping...

I'm actually in Kissimmee! I just say Orlando because it's the main city. St. Cloud is like 10 mins from where I live. I love it here...will be 20 years next week since I moved here. Wouldn't wanna live anywhere else!! :crazy:

^---wow, cool!

Yay! More Mrs. Garrett for cfr! :clap:




Yes, thankfully, post offices and UPS stores are still open---and thank you for saying that, you reminded me I wanted to do an Amazon order! Thanks! lol




Oh wow! And all this time I thought you were a yankee way up there in New York! But you're really down closer to the Golden Girls in the sunshine state! :lol:

I grew up in NY and moved here to FL the day after I turned 30. I packed my car with everything and drove down. Never looked back!! :lol:

I'm actually in Kissimmee! I just say Orlando because it's the main city. St. Cloud is like 10 mins from where I live. I love it here...will be 20 years next week since I moved here. Wouldn't wanna live anywhere else!! :crazy:

Wow thats even CLOSER to Disney World! Awesome!

the day after I turned 30. I packed my car with everything and drove down

From what you've told us of your adventures, I'm not surprised at all! :lol:

I'm actually in Kissimmee! I just say Orlando because it's the main city. St. Cloud is like 10 mins from where I live. I love it here...will be 20 years next week since I moved here. Wouldn't wanna live anywhere else!! :crazy:

Awww, Kissimmee is so cool! Yes, of course most people would just say "Orlando", no point in mentioning which suburb.

Wow! Cool connection! :wave:

Awww, Kissimmee is so cool! Yes, of course most people would just say "Orlando", no point in mentioning which suburb.

Wow! Cool connection! :wave:

Retro, when did you work at Disney? For years I worked right across the street from the Disney entrance at the Crossroads Plaza in 535 at the Gooding's Supermarket. (Which is hear is being torn down to make way for the i-4 highway expansion, which is sad.)

From what you've told us of your adventures, I'm not surprised at all! :lol:

From my earliest memory I wanted to get out and see the world! I sometimes think I was born an adult and just waited for my childhood body to grow and catch up with me. :lol::lol:

Retro, when did you work at Disney? For years I worked right across the street from the Disney entrance at the Crossroads Plaza in 535 at the Gooding's Supermarket. (Which is hear is being torn down to make way for the i-4 highway expansion, which is sad.)

2005-2007. I know I drove just past there on many occasions, on the 535. It's always sad to see a place you liked working at disappear.

I worked frequently at the old Toontown in Magic Kingdom, and was sad to see that get revamped, though I know almost nothing stays the same at Disney parks. I also worked in a building just off Main Street, in Magic Kingdom, which is now a glassblowing shop. That space still has an octagonal shape, the same shape as when it had an octagonal table in it, which is where I kept my equipment.

I also worked at Disney Feature Animation, on the third floor, doing media work, though the facility was mostly shut down. I hear that that building is now the Star Wars launch bay.

2005-2007. I know I drove just past there on many occasions, on the 535. It's always sad to see a place you liked working at disappear.

I worked frequently at the old Toontown in Magic Kingdom, and was sad to see that get revamped, though I know almost nothing stays the same at Disney parks. I also worked in a building just off Main Street, in Magic Kingdom, which is now a glassblowing shop. That space still has an octagonal shape, the same shape as when it had an octagonal table in it, which is where I kept my equipment.

I also worked at Disney Feature Animation, on the third floor, doing media work, though the facility was mostly shut down. I hear that that building is now the Star Wars launch bay.
Wow thats so awesome! I used to love Toontown as a kid!

2005-2007. I know I drove just past there on many occasions, on the 535. It's always sad to see a place you liked working at disappear.

I worked frequently at the old Toontown in Magic Kingdom, and was sad to see that get revamped, though I know almost nothing stays the same at Disney parks. I also worked in a building just off Main Street, in Magic Kingdom, which is now a glassblowing shop. That space still has an octagonal shape, the same shape as when it had an octagonal table in it, which is where I kept my equipment.

I also worked at Disney Feature Animation, on the third floor, doing media work, though the facility was mostly shut down. I hear that that building is now the Star Wars launch bay.

That's really cool! I always wanted to get a p/t Disney job to make extra money but the crazy hours at my f/t job just wouldn't allow it. It sounds like a lot of fun to actually work at Disney! It's sad the closest I ever got was across the street from it. Whenever i'd leave work, i'd wistfully look at that entrance across the street and dream.
They have a really great pet resort on their grounds that I use to board my bird whenever I go away. Being Disney, I trust them completely with my baby.

Wow thats so awesome! I used to love Toontown as a kid!

Who wouldn't? Even as an adult, I LOVED the cartoony, misshapen houses for Mickey and Minnie.

Toontown was great because the big top was air conditioned, meaning it was great to work in, all year round. You couldn't say that about many locations. At that time, the character rooms were the Pooh Room, the Princess Room, the Fab Four room, and four rooms for Mickey. I was a Photopass photographer at the time, and adored working in the Pooh room because the characters were terrific to work with (great to the guests and the photographers), the lines were rarely long, and it was like working in a studio playset. Mickey's rooms were hell.

When Julie Pie taped her FOL/NMMC WDW interview on a spot near the castle, a few years ago, I knew the exact spot on the lawn she was at, having been there 300 times myself. It was a trip back in nostalgia not just for her, but for me as well. Quite the experience watching that video! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's really cool! I always wanted to get a p/t Disney job to make extra money but the crazy hours at my f/t job just wouldn't allow it. It sounds like a lot of fun to actually work at Disney!

WDW Feature Animation was a dream. Disney Photo Imaging could be great, but was also sometimes a nightmare.


It's sad the closest I ever got was across the street from it. Whenever i'd leave work, i'd wistfully look at that entrance across the street and dream.
They have a really great pet resort on their grounds that I use to board my bird whenever I go away. Being Disney, I trust them completely with my baby.

Yeah, they are so good with animals. One of the reasons I loved Animal Kingdom was Disney's great respect for the wildlife.

Who wouldn't? Even as an adult, I LOVED the cartoony, misshapen houses for Mickey and Minnie.

Toontown was great because the big top was air conditioned, meaning it was great to work in, all year round. You couldn't say that about many locations. At that time, the character rooms were the Pooh Room, the Princess Room, the Fab Four room, and four rooms for Mickey. I was a Photopass photographer at the time, and adored working in the Pooh room because the characters were terrific to work with (great to the guests and the photographers), the lines were rarely long, and it was like working in a studio playset. Mickey's rooms were hell.

When Julie Pie taped her FOL/NMMC WDW interview on a spot near the castle, a few years ago, I knew the exact spot on the lawn she was at, having been there 300 times myself. It was a trip back in nostalgia not just for her, but for me as well. Quite the experience watching that video! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Disneyland still has a Toontown though. Fab four? I thought it was fab five? :lol: Wow what an amazing job you had!

Disneyland still has a Toontown though. Fab four? I thought it was fab five? :lol: Wow what an amazing job you had!

Disney World has a Toontown, now, too. They completely revamped it, because when I worked there, the studio space for the 100 Acre Woods was fine, but the other character areas were sooo overcrowded.

Working in the Mickey rooms was hell, in part because the space was just too crowded. The lines were long, the guests were irritated by the time they got to see Mickey, the photo space wouldn't accommodate a large group, etc. Between the handler, the photographer, Mickey, and the guests, there just were too many people crowded together, and no place for the kids to interact with Mickey. Just "love and shove".

So, it's much improved, I'm sure, for the cast members, but they gutted my happy memories with new character spaces.

It is the "fab five". for part of the time I worked there, they wanted us to call that space the "fab four" because Goofy was scheduled to mostly be at another location. So if the guest got to see Goofy anyway, it was a nice treat, instead of a sad disappointment.

Disney World has a Toontown, now, too. They completely revamped it, because when I worked there, the studio space for the 100 Acre Woods was fine, but the other character areas were sooo overcrowded.

Working in the Mickey rooms was hell, in part because the space was just too crowded. The lines were long, the guests were irritated by the time they got to see Mickey, the photo space wouldn't accommodate a large group, etc. Between the handler, the photographer, Mickey, and the guests, there just were too many people crowded together, and no place for the kids to interact with Mickey. Just "love and shove".

So, it's much improved, I'm sure, for the cast members, but they gutted my happy memories with new character spaces.

It is the "fab five". for part of the time I worked there, they wanted us to call that space the "fab four" because Goofy was scheduled to mostly be at another location. So if the guest got to see Goofy anyway, it was a nice treat, instead of a sad disappointment.
Toontown is now Storybook Circus. They removed Mickey and Minnie's houses, but kept the tents and Goofy's Barnstormer kid coaster. They also moved Dumbo over there and redid the train station to something more permanent.

I'm sure I did that meet Mickey as a kid atleast once, tbh when I was really little I was afraid of chars, and once I reached a certain age I didnt really care about characters. I'd rather go on rides. :lol:

For years I worked right across the street from the Disney entrance at the Crossroads Plaza in 535 at the Gooding's Supermarket. (Which is hear is being torn down to make way for the i-4 highway expansion, which is sad.)

Wow! Just like in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit"! :nod:


From my earliest memory I wanted to get out and see the world! I sometimes think I was born an adult and just waited for my childhood body to grow and catch up with me. :lol::lol:

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Toontown is now Storybook Circus.

Storybook WHAT?! I've never heard of such a thing! :lol:

But I did hear TGS was a circus! #Felice! ;)


I'm sure I did that meet Mickey as a kid atleast once, tbh when I was really little I was afraid of chars

Aww, poor frightened little Lorsie! :baby: heehee :)


and once I reached a certain age I didnt really care about characters. I'd rather go on rides. :lol:

:lol: I know what you mean...I used to LOVE parades as a kid, but nowadays, who wants the bother? When I was in a Disney park as a teen, if a parade was starting, it meant it was prime time to hit the rides, baby! :lol:

Toontown is now Storybook Circus. They removed Mickey and Minnie's houses, but kept the tents

Yes, but the inside of the tents is different, now.

and Goofy's Barnstormer kid coaster. They also moved Dumbo over there and redid the train station to something more permanent.

Yeah, I was last there in 2011, and it felt so weird, for me.


I'm sure I did that meet Mickey as a kid atleast once, tbh when I was really little I was afraid of chars, and once I reached a certain age I didnt really care about characters. I'd rather go on rides. :lol:

Yeah, many kids are terrified of the characters. That's actually really common. As a photographer, I had to ask many parents NOT to force their kids to meet a character. The parents wanted a nice photo of their kid with Pluto or whoever, but the child was completely terrified. I told parents many times: let the child see other kids interact with the character, and their fear will gradually fade. Soon, they will want to touch Pluto's fur, too. But you can't just grab the kid's arm and force him/her to stand next to the character. That will only lead to screaming and tears, and ruined photos.

At Disneyland, when I was in second grade, I saw a person's face inside Donald's mouth, and loudly yelled, "Hey, that's not Donald Duck! That's a person in a costume!" Donald shushed me! :lol: I was so confused on why everyone wasn't surprised by the sham I had revealed!

Retro!! You--you---spoiler!! :lol:

Yes, but the inside of the tents is different, now.

Yep they rethemed them!


At Disneyland, when I was in second grade, I saw a person's face inside Donald's mouth, and loudly yelled, "Hey, that's not Donald Duck! That's a person in a costume!" Donald shushed me! :lol: I was so confused on why everyone wasn't surprised by the sham I had revealed!

:brent

Well, I suppose NBC was down in the dumps during this time period and was desperate to make things work. Most of these executives bank on the success of their parent show, have an idea, and expect it to work. Had this show not been on NBC and had not been on during this time in TV, I'm not sure this show would have fared well and would probably have been cancelled after 1 season. It's interesting to think what could have been, but because Charlotte Rae was such a bonafide star, they took a risk on it for season 2. It was really just the perfect timing for a show like this, with Little Darlings coming out in 1980, and the writers picking up on it and drawing it for inspiration. Had these combinations of circumstances not arose, the writers would have not captured lighting in a bottle with the season 2 premiere.

Well, I suppose NBC was down in the dumps during this time period and was desperate to make things work. Most of these executives bank on the success of their parent show, have an idea, and expect it to work. Had this show not been on NBC and had not been on during this time in TV, I'm not sure this show would have fared well and would probably have been cancelled after 1 season. It's interesting to think what could have been, but because Charlotte Rae was such a bonafide star, they took a risk on it for season 2. It was really just the perfect timing for a show like this, with Little Darlings coming out in 1980, and the writers picking up on it and drawing it for inspiration. Had these combinations of circumstances not arose, the writers would have not captured lighting in a bottle with the season 2 premiere.

Maybe it also helped that Natalie and Tootie started appearing on DS before season 2 of FOL. Plus tootie appeared on the season 3 premiere of DS a week before the season 2 premiere of FOL.

Maybe it also helped that Natalie and Tootie started appearing on DS before season 2 of FOL. Plus tootie appeared on the season 3 premiere of DS a week before the season 2 premiere of FOL.


I only have the season 1 on DS and the only reference on FOL is the episode 'The girls school', so i guess NAT, TOOTIE and BLAIR must have been making guest appearances by season 2 on DS :p:p:p

I only have the season 1 on DS and the only reference on FOL is the episode 'The girls school', so i guess NAT, TOOTIE and BLAIR must have been making guest appearances by season 2 on DS :p:p:p

Yup, the spring of 1980 and Fall of 1980. They stopped appearing on DS after 1981.

Well, Blair only appeared once, and Natalie twice.

Well, Blair only appeared once, and Natalie twice.

Blair appeared in TGS didn’t she appear again?

Well, Blair only appeared once, and Natalie twice.

Off the top of my head I think Natalie appeared with blair in fall of 80

Blair appeared in TGS didn’t she appear again?

TGS?

TGS = "The Girls' School" episode of DS :)

Okay, yeah, Blair did appear "twice", but I was thinking of actual organic DS, as in the Drummond penthouse, the DS set. Blair only appeared on there once.

TGS = "The Girls' School" episode of DS :)

Okay, yeah, Blair did appear "twice", but I was thinking of actual organic DS, as in the Drummon penthouse, the DS set. Blair only appeared on there once.

Always thought it was odd that Blair, Tootie, and Natalie appeared on DS more than once and Kimberly only appeared on FS one time

Always thought it was odd that Blair, Tootie, and Natalie appeared on DS more than once and Kimberly only appeared on FS one time

I did too until RetroGuy2000 pointed out that maybe Charlotte didn't think Dana Plato would be a good influence on the set, with the problems she began to display/have.

I did too until RetroGuy2000 pointed out that maybe Charlotte didn't think Dana Plato would be a good influence on the set, with the problems she began to display/have.

I have to look at rough housing again to see if blair and kimberly had any scenes together. Im thinking no lol

I have to look at rough housing again to see if blair and kimberly had any scenes together. Im thinking no lol


Nope: BLAIR and KIMBERLY didn't interact at all during the 'Rough housing' episode (KIMBERLY was more like a 'wallpaper').
In fact, the only time they did, was when KIMBERLY introduces MRS G to the girls (on the pilot episode 'The girls school') and rolling her eyes she says "Oh i almost forgot, that's BLAIR!":whatever::whatever::whatever:

Nope: BLAIR and KIMBERLY didn't interact at all during the 'Rough housing' episode (KIMBERLY was more like a 'wallpaper').
In fact, the only time they did, was when KIMBERLY introduces MRS G to the girls (on the pilot episode 'The girls school') and rolling her eyes she says "Oh i almost forgot, that's BLAIR!":whatever::whatever::whatever:

which makes Blair appearance on DS even more weird lol

which makes Blair appearance on DS even more weird lol

Not really. By the time Blair appeared on DS in Kimberly's home, she had spent more than a year with Mrs. Garrett and her "sisters" to start becoming a better person. :)

Not really. By the time Blair appeared on DS in Kimberly's home, she had spent more than a year with Mrs. Garrett and her "sisters" to start becoming a better person. :)


That's a good way of putting it: BLAIR definitely became a better person after MRS G appeared in her life (the 'feisty red haired lady' surely was a great influence on the spoiled rich girl hee hee hee!):lol::lol::lol:

PS: and her 'sister' JO was also a great foil for the debutante ha ha!:cool: