Wow, i'm watching where she plays the mother of a latchkey kid. (I was one and it really was no big deal)...but my God she's a giant standing next to Tootie LOL. I had no idea she guest starred on this! I'm sure I saw it when it originally aired, but didn't recognize her since it was before Designing Woman and she was still a "nobody".

Now I wonder how many other "nobodies" guested on FOL before going on to their own hit shows? (No need to mention Loony Clooney since his stint was well known)

Wow, i'm watching where she plays the mother of a latchkey kid. (I was one and it really was no big deal)...but my God she's a giant standing next to Tootie LOL. I had no idea she guest starred on this! I'm sure I saw it when it originally aired, but didn't recognize her since it was before Designing Woman and she was still a "nobody".

Now I wonder how many other "nobodies" guested on FOL before going on to their own hit shows? (No need to mention Loony Clooney since his stint was well known)

Let's count the ways. There are many so I may have missed a few.

1. Helen Hunt in "Dope"
2. Richard Dean Anderson (original McGiver) in Brian and Sylvia
3. David Spade in "Big Apple Blues".
4. Juliette Lewis and Seth Green (who was flashed by Natalie's tatas when he was 14) in the finale.

Wow, i'm watching where she plays the mother of a latchkey kid. (I was one and it really was no big deal)

:lol:


...but my God she's a giant standing next to Tootie LOL.

:rofl:

YES! Honest, my first thought when I saw this thread title was, "haha, I'm gonna have to post first of all she is an absolute GIANTESS towering over Tootie and Mrs. Garrett!" :lol:


I had no idea she guest starred on this!

Yup!


I'm sure I saw it when it originally aired, but didn't recognize her since it was before Designing Woman and she was still a "nobody".

:lol:

Yeah, DW (by the way, make sure you say "Designing Women", not "Woman", or else Molly Parker will ream you out for discounting 3 women!) would hit the air waves in the autumn of 1986.


Now I wonder how many other "nobodies" guested on FOL before going on to their own hit shows? (No need to mention Loony Clooney since his stint was well known)

lol, that is a fun question. Well, Helen Hunt was the first future biggie, in episode 13 of season 1!

Let's count the ways. There are many so I may have missed a few.

1. Helen Hunt in "Dope"
2. Richard Dean Anderson (original McGiver) in Brian and Sylvia
3. David Spade in "Big Apple Blues".
4. Juliette Lewis and Seth Green (who was flashed by Natalie's tatas when he was 14) in the finale.

I remember the first 3 but it's been so long since I saw the finale so i'll look out for that one.

These Edna Edible years are SO new to me! It's like i'm seeing them for the very first time. and I love it!

The episode that played after Jean Smart is a serious one where Natalie goes out with Tootie's cousin and they delve into racism. Wow, it was handled so well and mature. I cried at the end scene between Nat & Tootie it was done that well. You don't see that kind of raw honesty depicted on TV today because everything now has to have an agenda.

If this episode was done today, everyone would be bashing Natalie and she'd probably be banned from the group and forever labeled a racist LOL. God I miss the 80's!

You'll also see Tom Eplin carry Blair into either the living room or the girls' room, I think in "Working It Out" (not a household name, but he would go on to soap stardom as "bad boy" Jake McKinnon on NBC's "Another World" from the mid-'80s to 1999).

These Edna Edible years are SO new to me! It's like i'm seeing them for the very first time. and I love it!

Such fun! :clap:


The episode that played after Jean Smart is a serious one where Natalie goes out with Tootie's cousin and they delve into racism. Wow, it was handled so well and mature. I cried at the end scene between Nat & Tootie it was done that well. You don't see that kind of raw honesty depicted on TV today because everything now has to have an agenda.

If this episode was done today, everyone would be bashing Natalie and she'd probably be banned from the group and forever labeled a racist LOL. God I miss the 80's!

Lol, I do too. and yes, it is a good episode, only, in my re-written episode guide, it's Molly who dates Tootie's cousin. :)

You'll also see Tom Eplin carry Blair into either the living room or the girls' room, I think in "Working It Out" (not a household name, but he would go on to soap stardom as "bad boy" Jake McKinnon on NBC's "Another World" from the mid-'80s to 1999).

GET OUT!! Jake McKinnon was on this?! I was HOOKED on AW all through the 80's and 90's. He was a bad boy who dated the good and evil twins on that show. Talk about your stereotypical daytime soap plot...but it was so good!

I have to see that episode now.

Such fun! :clap:




Lol, I do too. and yes, it is a good episode, only, in my re-written episode guide, it's Molly who dates Tootie's cousin. :)


I don't understand---you re-wrote the episodes?! Like an alternate FOL reality?

GET OUT!! Jake McKinnon was on this?! I was HOOKED on AW all through the 80's and 90's. He was a bad boy who dated the good and evil twins on that show. Talk about your stereotypical daytime soap plot...but it was so good!

I have to see that episode now.

HAHA OMG yes! I LOVE '80s and '90s AW, and in fact, the first few months of this year I've BINGED on January to November 1992! :lol: :D LOVE the late '80s and early '90s of this show.

Now, he has maybe ONE line in his appearance, so just be warned he's definitely treated as a "nobody", lol. But it's definitely him!

(and man, he could be such a JERK in Bay City! LOL)

I don't understand---you re-wrote the episodes?! Like an alternate FOL reality?

Well, just the episode "guide"---:typing:---it's the link in the bottom of most of my posts. :)


(I don't know why it doesn't appear in every post though---I'm kinda tech-advanced, but not that tech-advanced :lol:)

Mayim Bialik of Blossom was one of the students in the finale.

HAHA OMG yes! I LOVE '80s and '90s AW, and in fact, the first few months of this year I've BINGED on January to November 1992! :lol: :D LOVE the late '80s and early '90s of this show.

Now, he has maybe ONE line in his appearance, so just be warned he's definitely treated as a "nobody", lol. But it's definitely him!

(and man, he could be such a JERK in Bay City! LOL)

I think the "Who Shot Jake" storyline and that whole year was AW's absolute best and peak. I found episodes on You Tube a couple years ago from that era and binged on the episodes from 90-92...after that year they seem to get less and less. But it was so fun to revisit that show again.

If you can post a link to the episode guide, i'd love to see it.

I think the "Who Shot Jake" storyline and that whole year was AW's absolute best and peak.

Oh yeah, and that ushered in 1991, what I LOVE to call "The Year of Frankie"---Frankie's my favorite character! :D And she was all over the place that year, with the Frankie/Cass/Kathleen triangle, her P.I. partnership with Ryan, her helping her aunt Sharlene & John with whacko Dr. Taylor Benson, man---such good stuff!! (my 2nd favorite is Iris Cory Wheeler and her delicious "Cultivated Australian" accent! :loveya:)


I found episodes on You Tube a couple years ago from that era and binged on the episodes from 90-92...after that year they seem to get less and less. But it was so fun to revisit that show again.

Yup, there are TONS of episodes on YT, thank goodness (I've made my own DVDs by downloading tons of YT vids and editing them together).


If you can post a link to the episode guide, i'd love to see it.

It's my "signature" here, a blue link, so just look for it in one of my posts. If it doesn't appear in this one, t's definitely in one of mine further up on this page. :)

Oh yeah, and that ushered in 1991, what I LOVE to call "The Year of Frankie"---Frankie's my favorite character! :D And she was all over the place that year, with the Frankie/Cass/Kathleen triangle, her P.I. partnership with Ryan, her helping her aunt Sharlene & John with whacko Dr. Taylor Benson, man---such good stuff!! (my 2nd favorite is Iris Cory Wheeler and her delicious "Cultivated Australian" accent! :loveya:)



Yup, there are TONS of episodes on YT, thank goodness (I've made my own DVDs by downloading tons of YT vids and editing them together).




It's my "signature" here, a blue link, so just look for it in one of my posts. If it doesn't appear in this one, t's definitely in one of mine further up on this page. :)

All of it 100% agree about AW. I loved every single thing about 1991. The Cass/Frankie/Kathleen story was so well done, while you rooted for Frankie, you couldn't help but also root for Kathleen too because of the past history. Oh God I could go on and on and on about it all...Sharlene and crazy Taylor, Lorna, Carl Hutchins...oh the memories!...And yes, Iris Wheeler who I called the Alexis Carrington of Daytime because of that accent, even though it was Australian and not British lol.


I'll look for that signature up thread. It's not showing in the later posts.

All of it 100% agree about AW. I loved every single thing about 1991. The Cass/Frankie/Kathleen story was so well done, while you rooted for Frankie, you couldn't help but also root for Kathleen too because of the past history.

Oh, yes I could help! Heck no I wasn't on Kathleen's side! :lol: But the 2nd time I watched the story play out, I was a little softer on her, haha.


Oh God I could go on and on and on about it all...Sharlene and crazy Taylor, Lorna, Carl Hutchins...oh the memories!

Oh gosh yes, Carl, wonderfully theatrically British villain Carl...and Lorna! I love her! What a dark-haired Cher-bodied spitfire!


...And yes, Iris Wheeler who I called the Alexis Carrington of Daytime because of that accent, even though it was Australian and not British lol.

lol, yeah, I'd never heard of "Cultivated Australian" before until I saw that while looking her up on the Internet. It really does have a distinction---and (and this sounds weird to those who won't know or understand) she has the absolutely "cleanest" S-es of anyone I know! (the letter "S"---every time she says it in words, it is SO pure and pristine!! LOL)


I'll look for that signature up thread. It's not showing in the later posts.

Yeah, now it's showing here! :)

I guess posts have to reach a certain length before signatures show up.

^-----I guess not, because yours did! :lol:

^-----I guess not, because yours did! :lol:

WELP, there blows that theory! :lol:

WELP, there blows that theory! :lol:

:rofl:

And it was such a good "Molly" theory, too! :read:

My new theory, judging from the pattern of this thread, is that a signature shows up on your FIRST post on EACH page of a thread. Where it goes from there, I have no idea, lol. :confused:

^---And now there goes THAT theory!

:brent

*EDIT*

Wait! I posted this message because my signature appeared in my previous message---but when I posted this one, it vanished! :eek:

So, my NEW NEW theory (lol) is that signatures will not appear on successive posts by the same poster. :read:

:rofl:

And it was such a good "Molly" theory, too! :read:

My new theory, judging from the pattern of this thread, is that a signature shows up on your FIRST post on EACH page of a thread. Where it goes from there, I have no idea, lol. :confused:

Ooh, I like that theory! Let's see if it holds up! :read:

(okay, this is getting ridiculous---now it's showing in my previous post after my previous-previous post!!)

DANG! :lol:

Okay, here is my new NEW scientific theory:

God controls whether or not we will see the signature or not. We mere mortals can never know when He will bestoweth the signature. And when you see a signature, and it suddenly vanishes, that is because God giveth and then taketh away! :lol:

I dunno, all I know is NOOOWWWWWWW it's ONLY showing up in my FIRST post on this page! :crazy:

I dunno, all I know is NOOOWWWWWWW it's ONLY showing up in my FIRST post on this page! :crazy:

See? God giveth, and then he taketh away. This proves the theory. See? Science. :lol:

I found the link and saw the episode guide. I was picturing entire redone scripts of the show. This was much easier to read over that...but i'm curious to why you changed it from Natalie to Molly dating Tootie's cousin in the racial episode?

I think it works best with Natalie since she and Tootie were best friends. I'm not too familiar with those "extra" season 1 girls...and that's not a slam to them, it's just that I never paid attention to really care much about them. I watched season 1 on Antenna TV in January when it began, and already have forgotten what their personalities were like since they all just blended into each other in my mind.

Was Molly better suited for that storyline over Natalie? Was she and Tootie close in the first season?

Wow, i'm watching where she plays the mother of a latchkey kid. (I was one and it really was no big deal)...but my God she's a giant standing next to Tootie LOL. I had no idea she guest starred on this! I'm sure I saw it when it originally aired, but didn't recognize her since it was before Designing Woman and she was still a "nobody".

Now I wonder how many other "nobodies" guested on FOL before going on to their own hit shows? (No need to mention Loony Clooney since his stint was well known)


The woman playing the mother of that 'latchkey' kid looked like she came out of 'DALLAS' or 'DYNASTY': she totally had the kind of figure and height lol! (not to mention the hair and fashion ha ha!):happyface

I'm not too familiar with those "extra" season 1 girls...and that's not a slam to them, it's just that I never paid attention to really care much about them. I watched season 1 on Antenna TV in January when it began, and already have forgotten what their personalities were like since they all just blended into each other in my mind.


*dies*

Probably Antenna TV didn't show the controversial episodes, since many syndicators never show those episodes. Did you see the "lesbian" episode, or the "marijuana" episode? These help define the characters.

But here's how you can tell them apart:

Cindy's the girl
Who is a tomboy
Nancy's the girl
On the phone with a boy

Sue Ann is the gal
From Kansas, the City
Molly's the "woman"
On the Social Justice committee

These are the Lost Girls
21 episodes of the show
After the first season
Replaced by a Jo.

*dies*

Probably Antenna TV didn't show the controversial episodes, since many syndicators never show those episodes. Did you see the "lesbian" episode, or the "marijuana" episode? These help define the characters.

But here's how you can tell them apart:

Cindy's the girl
Who is a tomboy
Nancy's the girl
On the phone with a boy

Sue Ann is the gal
From Kansas, the City
Molly's the woman
On the Social Justice committee


They're the 4 in your avatar right? Is that a real TV Guide picture or one you made to replace the later 4? If it's real it's eerie how it's 4 different girls on the cover with Mrs. G. instead of Blair, Jo, Tootie & Natalie.

The woman playing the mother of that 'latchkey' kid looked like she came out of 'DALLAS' or 'DYNASTY': she totally had the kind of figure and height lol! (not to mention the hair and fashion ha ha!):happyface

She's built like a linebacker lol. Remember, this was the 80's and shoulder pads were all the rage, but for people with her figure it was unflattering and only made them look big and scary.

She looks like she's about devour Tootie in that episode! :lol:

They're the 4 in your avatar right? Is that a real TV Guide picture or one you made to replace the later 4? If it's real it's eerie how it's 4 different girls on the cover with Mrs. G. instead of Blair, Jo, Tootie & Natalie.

Yes, I adore the Lost Girls. My avatar is sadly just my own Photoshoppery.

I grew up watching the show, and wishing they would bring back the original girls, who we'd seen in the first three seasons. And they finally DID, in Season 8!

Yes, I adore the Lost Girls. My avatar is sadly just my own Photoshoppery.

I grew up watching the show, and wishing they would bring back the original girls, who we'd seen in the first three seasons. And they finally DID, in Season 8!

I like the season 1 girls too and have start having a rerun: the dialogues are just authentic and fun, and like i said, i'd build a time machine and go back in 1979 to change a few things and have them all stay!:wave:

I like the season 1 girls too and have start having a rerun: the dialogues are just authentic and fun, and like i said, i'd build a time machine and go back in 1979 to change a few things and have them all stay!:wave:

If I had to change it, i'd switch out Natalie for one of those original girls. Maybe the one with the long dark hair (sorry, don't know her name offhand). But I still stand by what I said in an earlier thread about Natalie how she's always trying to hold back a laugh or smile when speaking serious lines.

She held back in the latest racial episode that played today, but i'd still switch her out for the dark haired girl.

Which is a good question to ask....if you had to switch out 1 later girl with 1 "lost girl", which would it be?

I like the season 1 girls too and have start having a rerun: the dialogues are just authentic and fun, and like i said, i'd build a time machine and go back in 1979 to change a few things and have them all stay!:wave:

YEP!

It's no slight to Nancy McKeon to say there was just something so special about that first year. The show was about Mrs. Garrett, and her interactions at Eastland: dealing with the girls, of course; but also dealing with a rigid, stupid administration ("The Girls' School", "Running"); dealing with troublesome parents ("Like Mother, Like Daughter", "Overachieving"); and dealing with bad influences on the girls ("Dope", "The Facts of Love"). Mrs. Garrett was central to the show.

But after seeing Little Darlings, the producers changed things, and pretty soon, Mrs. Garrett became less central to the show. It happened gradually, but by Season Five, she was mostly just flitting in and out, dispensing quiche and good advice. I see exactly why Charlotte started limiting her appearances in Season Six. It wasn't "her show" anymore. And at that point, we lost something important. No amount of shoulder pads, hairspray, tacky gift shops, Australian sidekicks, or Cloris Leachman could repair the damage.

If I had to change it, i'd switch out Natalie for one of those original girls. Maybe the one with the long dark hair (sorry, don't know her name offhand). But I still stand by what I said in an earlier thread about Natalie how she's always trying to hold back a laugh or smile when speaking serious lines.

She held back in the latest racial episode that played today, but i'd still switch her out for the dark haired girl.

Which is a good question to ask....if you had to switch out 1 later girl with 1 "lost girl", which would it be?

The one with the long, dark hair is Nancy; she wanted to be an actress, or maybe a psychologist (she mentioned wanting to become a "shrink to the stars"). She also had a boyfriend named Roger, who she constantly was talking on the phone with. She was a very nice girl, but she wasn't the most popular outside the dorm, and she was the only one of the older girls who didn't get into "The Group", the snobs over in another dorm. In her final scene in the first season, she is led out to the garden as she's told she didn't make the cut, which mirrors what happened in real life.


I wouldn't have cut Natalie from the cast, because I like the character a lot, but I would have kept on both Cindy or Sue Ann (because if Saved By the Bell can have six students, and Head of the Class can have "ten, twelve" students, The Facts of Life could surely have had six students as well).

Sue Ann was the conservative girl from the Midwest. Not only was she very smart and pretty, she was a good foil for Blair. When Blair talked about Manhattan values, Sue Ann talked about Midwestern values. As we began to see Sue Ann less and less, we lost the conservative POV that The Facts of Life had included during the first season: in "The Facts of Love", we saw her arguing for traditional marriage, and waiting to have sex. Blair argues against this. As '80 Sitcoms points out, in later years, Blair becomes the conservative, mirroring Lisa Whelchel's conservatism, which is quite unlike the original Blair, as conceived in the beginning: Blair is rich and spoiled, but she's also an artist, and is a bit of a sexual tease. Without Sue Ann, we end up in the final seasons with an uncomfortable shifting of the Blair character, and we also end up (for a while) with no conservative perspective in controversial episodes, which I think is important in controversial topics. We lost that balance when we lost Sue Ann, and the writers realized it far too late. When we last see Sue Ann, she is desperate to impress her friends with what she's accomplished in her life, leading us to realize that Sue Ann, who always tried to achieve the best, whether it was in schoolwork or running, has some flaws herself.

I would also have kept Cindy. This is a character who could do backflips, and who had a physical role on the series. She could play tennis and baseball, and at the same time could win Corn Maiden of the Harvest. Cindy challenged gender stereotypes from the very first episode, long before there was a Jo. There has been a good deal of critical praise of Julie Anne Haddock's portrayal of Cindy Webster, who may have been the first teenage girl to have questioned her sexuality on American television (it turns out she wasn't gay, but the question was asked).

And while Jo also challenged gender stereotypes, with the jettisoning of Cindy, we lost that physical role: we never saw Jo play sports, perform a backflip, or even jog. Jo couldn't do those things. An important role model for sporty girls watching 1980s television was lost. How many girls were teased because of their "masculine" tendencies in sports because Cindy Webster was no longer on television, to provide that role model? How many girls "learned" that they couldn't watch football or wear a baseball cap, or play tug-of-war?


And while I really liked the characters of Molly and Nancy, their roles feel slightly more expendable, to me (though I know others strongly disagree). I would have liked to have kept them on, too, and even if this were not possible (due to NBC interference), I would still have kept bringing them back as recurring characters. Nancy deserved to be at her own graduation ceremony, and Molly should have been there with Natalie, graduating from Eastland.

YEP!

It's no slight to Nancy McKeon to say there was just something so special about that first year. The show was about Mrs. Garrett, and her interactions at Eastland: dealing with the girls, of course; but also dealing with a rigid, stupid administration ("The Girls' School", "Running"); dealing with troublesome parents ("Like Mother, Like Daughter", "Overachieving"); and dealing with bad influences on the girls ("Dope", "The Facts of Love"). Mrs. Garrett was central to the show.

But after seeing Little Darlings, the producers changed things, and pretty soon, Mrs. Garrett became less central to the show. It happened gradually, but by Season Five, she was mostly just flitting in and out, dispensing quiche and good advice. I see exactly why Charlotte started limiting her appearances in Season Six. It wasn't "her show" anymore. And at that point, we lost something important. No amount of shoulder pads, hairspray, tacky gift shops, Australian sidekicks, or Cloris Leachman could repair the damage.


MRS G had so much chemistry with the season 1 girls and especially with BLAIR: they bonded so well and she looked up to her! (she was like her confidante/conscience).

I have never seen 'LITTLE DARLINGS', and i didn't know that is the reason the producers got the idea of NANCY MKEON, but she surely became the lime light on season 2, practically pushing BLAIR and MRS G aside to make her big entrance as JO!

And yes: BEVERLY ANN, ANDY, GEORGE, PIPPA and CINAMON ruined the show, and by then MRS G became a legend...:mad:

MRS G had so much chemistry with the season 1 girls and especially with BLAIR: they bonded so well and she looked up to her! (she was like her confidante/conscience).

I have never seen 'LITTLE DARLINGS', and i didn't know that is the reason the producers got the idea of NANCY MKEON, but she surely became the lime light on season 2, practically pushing BLAIR and MRS G aside to make her big entrance as JO!

Little Darlings is on YouTube. It's definitely worth checking out, as a FOL fan. You can definitely see the inspiration for the Jo/Blair feud.


And yes: BEVERLY ANN, ANDY, GEORGE, PIPPA and CINAMON ruined the show, and by then MRS G became a legend...:mad:

Do not get me started on Pippa, Cinnamon, Kelly, George Clooney, Kevin, Andy, and Beverly Ann... :lol:

The one with the long, dark hair is Nancy; she wanted to be an actress, or maybe a psychologist (she mentioned wanting to become a "shrink to the stars"). She also had a boyfriend named Roger, who she constantly was talking on the phone with. She was a very nice girl, but she wasn't the most popular outside the dorm, and she was the only one of the older girls who didn't get into "The Group", the snobs over in another dorm. In her final scene in the first season, she is led out to the garden as she's told she didn't make the cut, which mirrors what happened in real life.


I wouldn't have cut Natalie from the cast, because I like the character a lot, but I would have kept on both Cindy or Sue Ann (because if Saved By the Bell can have six students, and Head of the Class can have "ten, twelve" students, The Facts of Life could surely have had six students as well).

Sue Ann was the conservative girl from the Midwest. Not only was she very smart and pretty, she was a good foil for Blair. When Blair talked about Manhattan values, Sue Ann talked about Midwestern values. As we began to see Sue Ann less and less, we lost the conservative POV that The Facts of Life had included during the first season: in "The Facts of Love", we saw her arguing for traditional marriage, and waiting to have sex. Blair argues against this. As '80 Sitcoms points out, in later years, Blair becomes the conservative, mirroring Lisa Whelchel's conservatism, which is quite unlike the original Blair, as conceived in the beginning: Blair is rich and spoiled, but she's also an artist, and is a bit of a sexual tease. Without Sue Ann, we end up in the final seasons with an uncomfortable shifting of the Blair character, and we also end up (for a while) with no conservative perspective in controversial episodes, which I think is important in controversial topics. We lost that balance when we lost Sue Ann, and the writers realized it far too late. When we last see Sue Ann, she is desperate to impress her friends with what she's accomplished in her life, leading us to realize that Sue Ann, who always tried to achieve the best, whether it was in schoolwork or running, has some flaws herself.

I would also have kept Cindy. This is a character who could do backflips, and who had a physical role on the series. She could play tennis and baseball, and at the same time could win Corn Maiden of the Harvest. Cindy challenged gender stereotypes from the very first episode, long before there was a Jo. There has been a good deal of critical praise of Julie Anne Haddock's portrayal of Cindy Webster, who may have been the first teenage girl to have questioned her sexuality on American television (it turns out she wasn't gay, but the question was asked).

And while Jo also challenged gender stereotypes, with the jettisoning of Cindy, we lost that physical role: we never saw Jo play sports, perform a backflip, or even jog. Jo couldn't do those things. An important role model for sporty girls watching 1980s television was lost. How many girls were teased because of their "masculine" tendencies in sports because Cindy Webster was no longer on television, to provide that role model? How many girls "learned" that they couldn't watch football or wear a baseball cap, or play tug-of-war?


And while I really liked the characters of Molly and Nancy, their roles feel slightly more expendable, to me (though I know others strongly disagree). I would have liked to have kept them on, too, and even if this were not possible (due to NBC interference), I would still have kept bringing them back as recurring characters. Nancy deserved to be at her own graduation ceremony, and Molly should have been there with Natalie, graduating from Eastland.


After reading that description of the original girls, i'll switch my choice from Nancy to Sue Ann because a conservative character would've played well against the others.

I did see how Blair was "looser" early on when it started on Antenna TV and that shocked me a bit because that's not how I remembered the character at all. Then I got to the 2nd season where she was toned down considerably to the Blair I remember.

So I think it would've been good to keep Blair loose, like a young Blanche from GG and keep the conservative girl to offset her slutty traits, and maybe switch out Jo for Cindy and keep Tootie and I still say ditch Natalie lol.

Then the 4 would have been Blair, Sue Ann, Cindy & Tootie. I think it was a good decision to keep only 4 main characters because it's just the right amount for a 30 minute show. Though Friends came along later and had 6 core characters, but I loathed that pretentious show and never watch the reruns. I think FOL is much better in comparison.

Little Darlings is on YouTube. It's definitely worth checking out, as a FOL fan. You can definitely see the inspiration for the Jo/Blair feud.



Do not get me started on Pippa, Cinnamon, Kelly, George Clooney, Kevin, Andy, and Beverly Ann... :lol:


:lol::lol::lol::happyface:happyface:happyface

I had to Google this "Pippa" person I keep seeing here. I saw her pic but for the life of me don't remember her AT ALL! It says she was in the final season and that's about when I tuned out of the show. I turned 17, got my car and finally was no longer trapped home on Saturday nights watching Facts of Life & Golden Girls. My life had finally begun! LOL

I'm trying to insert a pic of Pippa, but don't know how.

Heres the link instead.

https://factsoflife.fandom.com/wiki/Pippa_McKenna

After reading that description of the original girls, i'll switch my choice from Nancy to Sue Ann because a conservative character would've played well against the others.

I did see how Blair was "looser" early on when it started on Antenna TV and that shocked me a bit because that's not how I remembered the character at all. Then I got to the 2nd season where she was toned down considerably to the Blair I remember.

So I think it would've been good to keep Blair loose, like a young Blanche from GG and keep the conservative girl to offset her slutty traits, and maybe switch out Jo for Cindy and keep Tootie and I still say ditch Natalie lol.

Then the 4 would have been Blair, Sue Ann, Cindy & Tootie. I think it was a good decision to keep only 4 main characters because it's just the right amount for a 30 minute show. Though Friends came along later and had 6 core characters, but I loathed that pretentious show and never watch the reruns. I think FOL is much better in comparison.


This is brilliant thinking cfr1970!

BLAIR vs SUE ANN and CINDY together with TOOTIE i like it!

And yes, i prefer the BLAIR character from season 1: she had so much potential as the 'rebellious' girl who got into trouble sneaking with boys, but at the same time she was over protective to the younger girls (NAT, MOLLY and TOOTIE) when needed. Later on season 2, they rewrote her as 'snobbish conservative', and she lost her spark as the 'funny wild one' (JO took that role on then).
And i'm sorry, but for me she was no longer the BLAIR i liked and remembered from the very beginning on 'The girls school' from 'DS': that episode made such an impact on me watching her as the 'rebellious smoking' girl who was rude to MRS G ha ha! :lol:

After reading that description of the original girls, i'll switch my choice from Nancy to Sue Ann because a conservative character would've played well against the others.

I did see how Blair was "looser" early on when it started on Antenna TV and that shocked me a bit because that's not how I remembered the character at all. Then I got to the 2nd season where she was toned down considerably to the Blair I remember.

So I think it would've been good to keep Blair loose, like a young Blanche from GG and keep the conservative girl to offset her slutty traits, and maybe switch out Jo for Cindy and keep Tootie and I still say ditch Natalie lol.

Then the 4 would have been Blair, Sue Ann, Cindy & Tootie. I think it was a good decision to keep only 4 main characters because it's just the right amount for a 30 minute show. Though Friends came along later and had 6 core characters, but I loathed that pretentious show and never watch the reruns. I think FOL is much better in comparison.

I loved Friends, but I do agree that FOL is the better show, at least for the first few seasons. By the end, the series had evolved into something quite different, with almost unrecognizable characters. A critic in the 1990s once said that if the show were still on the air, by then it would be set in Antarctica, where the four girls have a pretzel shop, and Charo would inexplicably be the housemother. :lol: The decision to keep these girls all together, season after season, using increasingly bizarre scenarios, harmed the show.

There's been some discussion, here, about the Golden Girls seemingly ripping off FOL, with Blanche/Blair and Dorothy/Jo comparisons, as well as the fact that both series revolved around four female characters. (Of course, there are many differences as well).

Blair was definitely "looser" originally, and by the end, she was a very different character. But the same thing happened to Jo.

The character of Sue Ann was nice because not only could she have been a foil for Blair, she could be a foil for Jo or even Molly. With Jo, the writers could have contrasted Sue Ann's farm life with Jo's urban life. Unfortunately, that never happened, although we saw an interesting role reversal in "The Little Chill", Sue Ann not being honest with herself, and Jo being refreshingly honest. The two characters were foils, but in a very unexpected way.

I had to Google this "Pippa" person I keep seeing here. I saw her pic but for the life of me don't remember her AT ALL! It says she was in the final season and that's about when I tuned out of the show. I turned 17, got my car and finally was no longer trapped home on Saturday nights watching Facts of Life & Golden Girls. My life had finally begun! LOL

Don't worry. You're not the only one who doesn't remember her.

I was like 12, so I was stuck home watching Facts of Life and The Golden Girls. :lol:

Pippa was the Australian exchange student who came to stay with the girls during the final six seasons of the show (or what felt like six seasons ;) ). She appeared during the brief late 1980s US craze for all things Australian (https://mashable.com/2015/12/28/america-obsessed-australia-1980s/), just after the late 1980s huge hair craze brought Cinnamon to the show, and just before Bull from Night Court was brought in. She was the third urchin brought in to try to keep the show going, but it didn't work, and the show was quietly cancelled, Nancy McKeon complaining that their farewell wrap party was just beer and pretzels.

I loved Friends, but I do agree that FOL is the better show, at least for the first few seasons. By the end, the series had evolved into something quite different, with almost unrecognizable characters. A critic in the 1990s once said that if the show were still on the air, by then it would be set in Antarctica, where the four girls have a pretzel shop, and Charo would inexplicably be the housemother. :lol: The decision to keep these girls all together, season after season, using increasingly bizarre scenarios, harmed the show.

There's been some discussion, here, about the Golden Girls seemingly ripping off FOL, with Blanche/Blair and Dorothy/Jo comparisons, as well as the fact that both series revolved around four female characters. (Of course, there are many differences as well).

Blair was definitely "looser" originally, and by the end, she was a very different character. But the same thing happened to Jo.

The character of Sue Ann was nice because not only could she have been a foil for Blair, she could be a foil for Jo or even Molly. With Jo, the writers could have contrasted Sue Ann's farm life with Jo's urban life. Unfortunately, that never happened, although we saw an interesting role reversal in "The Little Chill", Sue Ann not being honest with herself, and Jo being refreshingly honest. The two characters were foils, but in a very unexpected way.


To be honest, i never liked the episode 'The little chill' and how they had SUE ANN as the 'bad guy', being dishonest with the rest of the girls and clashing with JO.
I also hated the fact that MRS G was no longer there, and how they introduced BEVERLY ANN as a 'special' member of the family: are you kidding me lol?!
And yes, it would have been great having all the 'lost girls' interacting with JO (as the new FOL girl member) and create story lines for each of them, for instance:
SUE ANN + JO best buddies vs BLAIR as a great foil to her (both being her 'frenemies/rival', and later on the 3 of them become best friends).
CINDY and MOLLY would be inseparable buddies as the 'modern women' of their time (aka GRETA THUNBERG).
And finally NAT and TOOTIE as the younger best friends, always following the older girls...
Oops, i almost forgot NANCY! I don't really know where to put her on FOL: maybe as another 'foil' for BLAIR?:talk:

Don't worry. You're not the only one who doesn't remember her.

I was like 12, so I was stuck home watching Facts of Life and The Golden Girls. :lol:

Pippa was the Australian exchange student who came to stay with the girls during the final six seasons of the show (or what felt like six seasons ;) ). She appeared during the brief late 1980s US craze for all things Australian (https://mashable.com/2015/12/28/america-obsessed-australia-1980s/), just after the late 1980s huge hair craze brought Cinnamon to the show, and just before Bull from Night Court was brought in. She was the third urchin brought in to try to keep the show going, but it didn't work, and the show was quietly cancelled, Nancy McKeon complaining that their farewell wrap party was just beer and pretzels.


I think the show did go on too long. I distinctly remember in the spring of '88, I turned on the TV and when I saw FOL playing, I remember saying "That show is STILL ON?!"
I mean, it started when I was freaking 9 years old and here I was 18 and the damn thing is still on the air LOL. I remember thinking these are all grown women now and why the hell is it still playing?...And like that TV critic said....Why the hell are they all still together? It was really weird that they still didn't go their separate ways yet. :lol:

To be honest, i never liked the episode 'The little chill' and how they had SUE ANN as the 'bad guy', being dishonest with the rest of the girls and clashing with JO.

I know '80s sitcoms would agree with you, there.


I also hated the fact that MRS G was no longer there, and how they introduced BEVERLY ANN as a 'special' member of the family: are you kidding me lol?!

It's too bad TLC didn't air just 5 episodes earlier, so we couldn't have had a reunion between them and Mrs. Garrett. Then maybe Mrs. Garrett could have been the one to poke holes in Sue Ann's story. "Sue Ann, I know you were voted Most Likely to Succeed at Eastland, but don't you think you're taking things too far?" "Well, I suppose you're right, Mrs. Garrett..."

To be honest, i never liked the episode 'The little chill' and how they had SUE ANN as the 'bad guy', being dishonest with the rest of the girls and clashing with JO.
I also hated the fact that MRS G was no longer there, and how they introduced BEVERLY ANN as a 'special' member of the family: are you kidding me lol?!
And yes, it would have been great having all the 'lost girls' interacting with JO (as the new FOL girl member) and create story lines for each of them, for instance:
SUE ANN + JO best buddies vs BLAIR as a great foil to her (both being her 'frenemies/rival', and later on the 3 of them become best friends).
CINDY and MOLLY would be inseparable buddies as the 'modern women' of their time (aka GRETA THUNBERG).
And finally NAT and TOOTIE as the younger best friends, always following the older girls...
Oops, i almost forgot NANCY! I don't really know where to put her on FOL: maybe as another 'foil' for BLAIR?:talk:

I thought in the Little Chill they should have also brought along Mr. Bradley like near the end. When he appeared and they introduced him to Beverly Ann, Beverly Ann could have said "I swear I've seen you somewhere before?"
Mr. Bradley; "No, I never seen you before".
Beverly Ann: "Were you ever in politics?"
Mr. Bradley: "No, but my twin brother Leonard was".

She's built like a linebacker lol. Remember, this was the 80's and shoulder pads were all the rage, but for people with her figure it was unflattering and only made them look big and scary.

She looks like she's about devour Tootie in that episode! :lol:

:lol: Well, that sounds more like someone like Delta after she put on a lot of weight, not like Jean with her model-like figure (but I get what you're saying about the shoulder pads, lol).

Also, how can a sensitive tomboy, a conservative farm girl, a feisty activist, and a boy-crazy phone girl blend together? ;)

I turned 17, got my car and finally was no longer trapped home on Saturday nights watching Facts of Life & Golden Girls. My life had finally begun! LOL

Are you kidding us?? "trapped" home on Saturday nights watching GG?? It was a PRIVILEGE to be "trapped" at home Saturday nights watching GG! lol---CLASSIC TV! props:

I loved Friends

I did too. "Friends", "Mama's Family", GG, "Cheers" make me laugh out loud much more than FOL, although I do lol at FOL a lot.


There's been some discussion, here, about the Golden Girls seemingly ripping off FOL, with Blanche/Blair and Dorothy/Jo comparisons, as well as the fact that both series revolved around four female characters. (Of course, there are many differences as well).

There are comparisons, of course, but I would never say GG or DW or Living Single "ripped off" FOL. There are too many differences.

I was like 12, so I was stuck home watching Facts of Life and The Golden Girls. :lol:

What is wrong with you guys?? "trapped"? "stuck"? GG is one of the greatest and funniest comedies EVER! Where would you rather be on a Saturday night??? :lol:

Oops, i almost forgot NANCY!

That's okay, so did the writers!


I don't really know where to put her on FOL

That's okay, neither did the writers! lol

I know '80s sitcoms would agree with you, there.

Well, I can't say I "never liked", I just wish it had been done differently.


It's too bad TLC didn't air just 5 episodes earlier, so we couldn't have had a reunion between them and Mrs. Garrett.

Yes, so close!

What is wrong with you guys?? "trapped"? "stuck"? GG is one of the greatest and funniest comedies EVER! Where would you rather be on a Saturday night??? :lol:

In the 1980's on a Saturday night?....OUT HAVING FUN!! :lol::crazy:

It was a MUCH different time than today. Though there were some Saturday's i'd have GG on while getting ready to go out. But stay home on Saturday night during that time? NO WAY! :crazy:

In the 1980's on a Saturday night?....OUT HAVING FUN!! :lol::crazy:

It was a MUCH different time than today. Though there were some Saturday's i'd have GG on while getting ready to go out. But stay home on Saturday night during that time? NO WAY! :crazy:

Haha, I know, it's so foreign to me, who was a child in the '80s so of course I'd be at home on Saturday nights, and I freakin' LOVED EV'RY MINUTE OF IT. lol :D "The Golden Girls", "Empty Nest", "Amen", "227"---I was in SITCOM HEAVEN!! :loveya:

On "Friends" Monica ratted out Ross when they were all yelling secrets about each other, and she yelled, "Ross used to stay home on Saturday nights to watch 'Golden Girls'!!" I was like, well, duh, yeah, WHO WOULDN'T?!? :lol: But I'm sure if you were in your 20s it was expected you'd be "out on the town" on Saturday nights in the '80s, lol.

I found the link and saw the episode guide. I was picturing entire redone scripts of the show. This was much easier to read over that...

I'm glad to hear it's "user-friendly", lol. And I still make a change or two in it once in a very blue moon.


but i'm curious to why you changed it from Natalie to Molly dating Tootie's cousin in the racial episode?

I think it works best with Natalie since she and Tootie were best friends. I'm not too familiar with those "extra" season 1 girls...and that's not a slam to them, it's just that I never paid attention to really care much about them. I watched season 1 on Antenna TV in January when it began, and already have forgotten what their personalities were like since they all just blended into each other in my mind.

Was Molly better suited for that storyline over Natalie? Was she and Tootie close in the first season?

I'm not saying Molly is "better suited" for it, it's just that I see Molly growing up and easily breaking "social norms" to so speak. Perhaps Tootie might think that with Molly's activism and speaking out on things that she (Molly) has an agenda with interracial dating, a "point to prove", but that wouldn't be Molly's motive at all---she truly would have been interested in the boy.

Molly and Tootie did have a few cute little moments in season 1. They "Ouija-ed" together, lol.

Also, one of my main objectives in this project was to balance out the girls by showing their friendships all across the board, so there are stories of Tootie and Natalie involved with others of their friends besides their classic duo of each other.

Haha, I know, it's so foreign to me, who was a child in the '80s so of course I'd be at home on Saturday nights, and I freakin' LOVED EV'RY MINUTE OF IT. lol :D "The Golden Girls", "Empty Nest", "Amen", "227"---I was in SITCOM HEAVEN!! :loveya:

On "Friends" Monica ratted out Ross when they were all yelling secrets about each other, and she yelled, "Ross used to stay home on Saturday nights to watch 'Golden Girls'!!" I was like, well, duh, yeah, WHO WOULDN'T?!? :lol: But I'm sure if you were in your 20s it was expected you'd be "out on the town" on Saturday nights in the '80s, lol.

I can't BELIEVE that on this board of all places, you left out THE FACTS OF LIFE which aired Saturday nights before the Golden Girls!!

If I remember correctly, in 1985 the schedule was

8pm Gimme a Break
8:30 Facts of Life
9PM Golden Girls
9:30 227

In 86 "Amen" came along (which I also liked) and in 88 came "Empty Nest" which was great too because they had some crossovers with GG.

I wasn't yet in my 20's by then, my entire teens were the 80s...which I think was perfect. My 20's began in 90...which was also a great decade too to be young and wild. After that everything went downhill. I feel so sorry for today's teens and 20 somethings.
Sure they have the internet and phones, but as a result of that many are so isolated than we were back then. It's sad.

I'm glad to hear it's "user-friendly", lol. And I still make a change or two in it once in a very blue moon.




I'm not saying Molly is "better suited" for it, it's just that I see Molly growing up and easily breaking "social norms" to so speak. Perhaps Tootie might think that with Molly's activism and speaking out on things that she (Molly) has an agenda with interracial dating, a "point to prove", but that wouldn't be Molly's motive at all---she truly would have been interested in the boy.

Molly and Tootie did have a few cute little moments in season 1. They "Ouija-ed" together, lol.

Also, one of my main objectives in this project was to balance out the girls by showing their friendships all across the board, so there are stories of Tootie and Natalie involved with others of their friends besides their classic duo of each other.


So Molly was kind of like a social justice warrior of the time then? My memory of these early girls is so foggy. I'm surprised people here seem to know so much about them since they only appeared for 1 short season. They seem to have made a huge impression!

Even though I just watched that whole first season on Antenna TV in January, i've already forgotten so much about them lol.

I can't BELIEVE that on this board of all places, you left out THE FACTS OF LIFE which aired Saturday nights before the Golden Girls!!

:lol:

Okay, sure, I watched FOL back then as a kid on Saturday nights and I enjoyed it, but I was even more into GG, EN, A, and 227.

As a kid in daytime syndication in summer, I was ALL ABOUT classic earlier FOL! :D


I wasn't yet in my 20's by then,

Oh, sure, and I knew that from your comments about being exasperated Tootie drove before you did, lol---I was referring to Ross and his generation, since they were in their 20s (or right about there).


my entire teens were the 80s...which I think was perfect.

As was my childhood, which I also think was perfect for the '80s! Man, gotta love those '80s. :loveya:


My 20's began in 90...which was also a great decade too to be young and wild. After that everything went downhill. I feel so sorry for today's teens and 20 somethings.
Sure they have the internet and phones, but as a result of that many are so isolated than we were back then. It's sad.

Yeah...

So Molly was kind of like a social justice warrior of the time then?

Yup!


My memory of these early girls is so foggy. I'm surprised people here seem to know so much about them since they only appeared for 1 short season. They seem to have made a huge impression!

A HUGE impression. I soaked up those early years of FOL in my early formative childhood years, and I have vivid memories of season 1.


Even though I just watched that whole first season on Antenna TV in January, i've already forgotten so much about them lol.

And I think that's sad! :lol:

Yup!




A HUGE impression. I soaked up those early years of FOL in my early formative childhood years, and I have vivid memories of season 1.




And I think that's sad! :lol:


Being a child of the 70's, our syndication shows in daytime were Gilligan's Island, Brady Bunch, Partridge Family, I Dream of Jeannie and Bewitched. All great shows to grow up on too.

One great thing about being young today is that they have literally EVERYTHING at their fingertips all ready to consume. The music, videos, movies, TV shows etc from the 20th century is like having it all released at once. I can only wonder what that's like. They must be overwhelmed with all that creativity right there in front of them all ready to play while we got them slowly as they each came out.

:yeahthat

Being about the same age as the older girls, I saw this show from the very beginning with the Rough Housing episode and had a big crush on Cindy.

My memory of these early girls is so foggy. I'm surprised people here seem to know so much about them since they only appeared for 1 short season.

Well, that's not entirely accurate, though.

They were only billed in the opening credits in Season One, but they (or some mixture of them) also appeared in four episodes of Season Two, three episodes of Season Three, they appeared in flashbacks in Season Five, and then their final appearance (a major one) was in Season Eight. So I don't consider them "first season girls".

While we saw them most often in Season One, we still learned all sorts of things about them in later seasons: For example, Nancy was really featured in "Gossip", we learned that she was still seeing Roger, and that she still liked Baryshnikov. We also learned that Cindy and Sue Ann were still rooming together (they had also roomed together for part of Season One), and Cindy was apparently still on one or more athletics teams. The girls were really integral, here.

In "Sex Symbol", they were kind of mean girls, not only making fun of Natalie, but also a girl they called Home Run Helen.

In "Pretty Babies", we learn that Nancy hopes to become a model for Mr. Jonathan Dutton, as does Blair, but Tootie steals their thunder.

In "Dear Me", Nancy plans to make out with Roger and go skinny-dipping at Cooper's Rock.

In "Green-Eyed Monster", we see Nancy urging Tootie to audition for South Pacific.

In "Front Page", we learn that Cindy and Sue Ann are in the same Journalism class as Blair, Jo, and Natalie. They are still hanging out together, and are surprised that Jo was daring enough to write the story.

In "The New Girl, part 2", we learn that Molly is still attending Eastland, and she's hanging around a mean girl named Margo. (Hopefully, that didn't last very long, but maybe Molly's social justice opinions rubbed off on Margo).

And of course we have a major reunion with three of the Lost Girls in "The Little Chill".

We should (at the very least) have also seen them in "The Four Musketeers" and "Graduation, Part 2", but for whatever reason, the producers used three random other girls who made much less of an impact to the storyline (although Brenda's lines were pretty funny). '80s Sitcoms' revised episode guide provides much more balance than what we saw on screen.


They seem to have made a huge impression!

Similar to '80s Sitcoms, I watched the early syndicated episodes of The Facts of Life which aired on NBC in the summers. They probably just aired the first few seasons at that time. I saw the Lost Girls episodes, mixed in with the episodes of the Core Four only, and, while I enjoyed the episodes, as a kid, I was very confused. Why were my favorite characters present in some episodes, but absent in others? I did not understand that these episodes were reruns, and that the Lost Girls had been shown the door about two years earlier. I preferred the larger cast.

As it turns out, my experience was quite common. My YouTube video on The Lost Girls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y72fTKZTWk4) has received over 810,000 views, and thousands of people have commented along the lines of "The show really suffered when they fired the Lost Girls. Julie Anne was so talented, Julie Pie was so pretty, Felice was so funny, and Molly Ringwald really proved her star power" (and variations of that), along with the comment that the school felt less realistic once the girls were gone, and we rarely saw other girls at Eastland.


Even though I just watched that whole first season on Antenna TV in January, i've already forgotten so much about them lol.

Well, the nice thing is, those episodes will roll back around, and you can watch them again, if you choose. Critics' choice "Rough Housing", the very first episode, is definitely one to watch out for.

Being about the same age as the older girls, I saw this show from the very beginning with the Rough Housing episode and had a big crush on Cindy.

Who didn't have a crush on Cindy? Just the right mix of pretty and vulnerable, and nice, and sweet... There was a melancholy mixture of emotions around her that I think was very appealing.

This is one of those Retro/'80s concrete disagreements, lol:

I don't consider them "first season girls".

I most definitely do. They were first season girls because they were regulars only in the first season, then faded away after that. It seems to me to really be stretching to go so far as not to call them "first season girls" because that phrase indicates their "regular cast member" status.


They were only billed in the opening credits in Season One,

Yup, since they were regular cast members.


but they (or some mixture of them) also appeared in four episodes of Season Two, three episodes of Season Three, they appeared in flashbacks in Season Five, and then their final appearance (a major one) was in Season Eight. So I don't consider them "first season girls".

But they were no longer part of the cast---the regular cast, that is. So they were first season girls who made some guest appearances afterward. That's how I've always seen them and always will.


Well, the nice thing is, those episodes will roll back around, and you can watch them again, if you choose. Critics' choice "Rough Housing", the very first episode, is definitely one to watch out for.

Yes cfr, watch for season 1 again, and really screen it! :)

Who didn't have a crush on Cindy?

Me. :)

I was too young for crushes when I first met our girls, lol. :baby:


Just the right mix of pretty and vulnerable, and nice, and sweet... There was a melancholy mixture of emotions around her that I think was very appealing.

Greg Hockney certainly thought so!

And these non-traditional characteristics of a tomboy could have made for some great stories...dang you, "cast purge"! [shakes fist] :grr:

This is one of those Retro/'80s concrete disagreements, lol:

Gotta agree to disagree! :lol:

Gotta agree to disagree! :lol:

:yeahthat

Sadly, it's a "fact of life"! :lol:

Me. :)

I was too young for crushes when I first met our girls, lol. :baby:


Did you never have a crush on Cindy later on, either?


Greg Hockney certainly thought so!

:lol::lol::lol::lol:


And these non-traditional characteristics of a tomboy could have made for some great stories...dang you, "cast purge"! [shakes fist] :grr:

YEP!

Did you never have a crush on Cindy later on, either?

Nah...they had already been cemented in my mind as my "surrogate older sisters", and Mrs. Garrett a "third grandmother"! :lol:

Nah...they had already been cemented in my mind as my "surrogate older sisters", and Mrs. Garrett a "third grandmother"! :lol:

Hey, I can definitely understand that!

It seems these "Lost Girls" really have a cult following! Next time season 1 cycles around again i'll watch a little closer to see just what the fascination with those girls are lol.

I think it makes a difference that the next generation watched FOL in daytime reruns that it made much more of an impact than to the first generation who only got to see it once a week stretched out over years.

I can understand that because from remembering the sitcoms I grew up daily on syndication, those shows did have a bigger impact on me than what was on TV currently on prime time each week. I think it's because we saw them every single day over once a week.

It seems these "Lost Girls" really have a cult following! Next time season 1 cycles around again i'll watch a little closer to see just what the fascination with those girls are lol.

I think it makes a difference that the next generation watched FOL in daytime reruns that it made much more of an impact than to the first generation who only got to see it once a week stretched out over years.

I can understand that because from remembering the sitcoms I grew up daily on syndication, those shows did have a bigger impact on me than what was on TV currently on prime time each week. I think it's because we saw them every single day over once a week.

I think you are right that seeing a show in daily syndication is very different than seeing it stretched out over years.

I think it's also likely that you may have missed episodes on Antenna TV because syndicators don't always air the controversial episodes, or sometimes cut scenes. I know when I was watching episodes on Nick at Nite in the early 2000s, they skipped over many episodes. I don't think "Rough Housing", "The Facts of Love", or "Dope" aired (though I've been wrong before...).

There was many years where they didn't play season 1 shows in syndication. Too many controversial episodes, alleged weak scripts, etc. With the advant of DVDs and YouTube, it got people curious again. Of course the younger generation know Molly Ringwald from Life of an American Teenager and Riverdale and are curious about her early career, her 80s movies and even Facts of Life.

Someone claimed in a Facebook group that the combination Season 1 and 2 DVD outsold all other seasons. I don't have any evidence to back that up though.

The roughhousing episode did play on Antenna TV in January because I remember it, but now i'm wondering just how much they edited out. That channel is famous for butchering shows for endless commercials. DVD is the only way to go for uncut episodes of classic sitcoms.

Eventually I want to get the whole FOL series.

It seems these "Lost Girls" really have a cult following! Next time season 1 cycles around again i'll watch a little closer to see just what the fascination with those girls are lol.

Lol, and we'll be curious to see what you think! :)


I think it makes a difference that the next generation watched FOL in daytime reruns that it made much more of an impact than to the first generation who only got to see it once a week stretched out over years.

I'd never thought about that before, but you're definitely right in a way. But there are exceptions, like "Fraggle Rock": I rarely got to see that in my childhood, but it was so special and "an event" on the rare times that I did. It made me yearn for it so, and now it's one of my favorite shows ever.


Someone claimed in a Facebook group that the combination Season 1 and 2 DVD outsold all other seasons. I don't have any evidence to back that up though.

I wouldn't be surprised if that were true. It was the first release of the show on DVD, and it was TWO full seasons. And it had Mrs. Garrett and the Core Four on the front, raking in all those nostalgic memories when people saw this first release. So I imagine lots of folks during that first release just saw it in stores and were like "Facts of Life! Omg I used to love that when I was growing up!" and bought the 1&2 set right away. :tv:


Eventually I want to get the whole FOL series.

I've got it, and I binged it again a couple of years ago. But there are a handful of episodes I now skip over.

The roughhousing episode did play on Antenna TV in January because I remember it, but now i'm wondering just how much they edited out. That channel is famous for butchering shows for endless commercials. DVD is the only way to go for uncut episodes of classic sitcoms.

Eventually I want to get the whole FOL series.

The season 1 and 2 combo DVD is really cheap on Amazon.com. I think they are all fully intact of the original broadcast, except perhaps The Facts of Love.

The season 1 and 2 combo DVD is really cheap on Amazon.com. I think they are all fully intact of the original broadcast, except perhaps The Facts of Love.

And the suitcase moment in "Overachieving" (but apparently it was re-inserted for the complete DVD series box set).

Well i got season 1 & 2 together, and both episodes: 'The facts of love' and 'Overachieving' are on it. (I bought it in 2010 together, and then season 3, 4 & 5)
The rest of the seasons only came out in 2014 or 2015 i think.
And i bought season 6 this year 2020....

And the suitcase moment in "Overachieving" (but apparently it was re-inserted for the complete DVD series box set).

What was the suitcase moment in Overacheiving?

What was the suitcase moment in Overacheiving?

It's the scene where Nancy helps Tootie pack her suitcase. It's missing in some syndication prints.

Some syndicated episodes also cut one of Molly's lines in "The New Girl, part 2", where she tells the girls to hang in there.

I also suspect some lines were cut out of "The Facts of Love", because a fan here has posted additional lines which sound familiar.

Well i got season 1 & 2 together, and both episodes: 'The facts of love' and 'Overachieving' are on it. (I bought it in 2010 together, and then season 3, 4 & 5)
The rest of the seasons only came out in 2014 or 2015 i think.
And i bought season 6 this year 2020....

Yeah, it's just the syndicated episodes, shown on TV, that miss certain controversial episodes.

I have seen the season 1/2 combo DVDs, but my copies are separate for Seasons 1 and 2. I like that one better, as we get to see the Lost Girls on the front cover of the first DVD. Although I admit I'd also like to own the three-disc set, as it features Molly and Sue Ann (https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qxAAAOSwdbRdplaQ/s-l1600.jpg) on the DVDs themselves.

Yeah, it's just the syndicated episodes, shown on TV, that miss certain controversial episodes.

I have seen the season 1/2 combo DVDs, but my copies are separate for Seasons 1 and 2. I like that one better, as we get to see the Lost Girls on the front cover of the first DVD. Although I admit I'd also like to own the three-disc set, as it features Molly and Sue Ann (https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qxAAAOSwdbRdplaQ/s-l1600.jpg) on the DVDs themselves.


That's exactly the DVDs i got: with the MOLLY, SUE ANN, JO and BLAIR disk cover you took the photo from, so i guess because i bought the 1 + 2 combine together i'm missing some important parts that have been cut? (damn it!).
At the time i bought it in 2010 they didn't have it split (only 3, 4 & 5 came split):mad:

That's exactly the DVDs i got: with the MOLLY, SUE ANN, JO and BLAIR disk cover you took the photo from, so i guess because i bought the 1 + 2 combine together i'm missing some important parts that have been cut? (damn it!).
At the time i bought it in 2010 they didn't have it split (only 3, 4 & 5 came split):mad:

I honestly don't know what the differences are between the two sets of DVDs, other than your DVDs have the interviews, and mine do not. I bought these ones because they were in the sales bin at the store.

I honestly don't know what the differences are between the two sets of DVDs, other than your DVDs have the interviews, and mine do not. I bought these ones because they were in the sales bin at the store.


You're right: i do have the interviews between some of the FOL girls on the 'special features set'. It's not the most recent one though (it was filmed in 2006) but CHARLOTTE RAE does not appear on it, what a shame!:(

You're right: i do have the interviews between some of the FOL girls on the 'special features set'. It's not the most recent one though (it was filmed in 2006) but CHARLOTTE RAE does not appear on it, what a shame!:(

Until the new documentary came out, those featurettes on the Season 1 & 2 were the most coverage the Lost Girls ever got.

Until the new documentary came out, those featurettes on the Season 1 & 2 were the most coverage the Lost Girls ever got.


Are you saying the 'lost girls' had to wait 14 years to get another interview???:eek:

There was many years where they didn't play season 1 shows in syndication. Too many controversial episodes, alleged weak scripts, etc. With the advant of DVDs and YouTube, it got people curious again. Of course the younger generation know Molly Ringwald from Life of an American Teenager and Riverdale and are curious about her early career, her 80s movies and even Facts of Life.

Someone claimed in a Facebook group that the combination Season 1 and 2 DVD outsold all other seasons. I don't have any evidence to back that up though.

I definitely remember Nick skipping alot of s1 eps. The only ones I saw were the first four, then Emily Dickinson, Facts of Love, Adoption, and Molly's Holliday.

Are you saying the 'lost girls' had to wait 14 years to get another interview???:eek:

No, I know that Julie Pie did an interview with a local station when Erin Moran died, as well as a Disney interview where she talked about her time on the New Mickey Mouse Club and FOL. I know, also, that Felice did interviews where she talked about her job and her family. Molly, of course, has done many interviews between 2006 and now, including WWHL and the one where she watched herself as Molly Parker.

I'm not aware of Julie Anne doing any interviews between 2006 and now, but I believe she was the only one.

To get three Lost Girls together for any FOL documentary was a huge coup for the producers of Behind Closed Doors. It has never happened.

If the lost girls had stayed, we would had some tall girls. Felice was the tallest at the beginning, but by the 3rd season, Molly would have caught up close to her and would eventually be the tallest. Even though we didn't see Molly on the show, we saw her on movies in each successive year. She was pretty tall at age 13 on the Tempest.

If the lost girls had stayed, we would had some tall girls. Felice was the tallest at the beginning, but by the 3rd season, Molly would have caught up close to her and would eventually be the tallest. Even though we didn't see Molly on the show, we saw her on movies in each successive year. She was pretty tall at age 13 on the Tempest.


KIM FIELDS was the shortest of them all (she was about the same height as CHARLOTTE RAE), LISA WHELCHEL looked taller after season 1: by season 2 she started wearing high hills (whereas during season 1 she was in shorts and trainers).:crazy:

Well i got season 1 & 2 together, and both episodes: 'The facts of love' and 'Overachieving' are on it.

Oh sure, we were just saying how not all of those two episodes were on the set, since apparently some material was cut from scenes.


I have seen the season 1/2 combo DVDs, but my copies are separate for Seasons 1 and 2. I like that one better, as we get to see the Lost Girls on the front cover of the first DVD. Although I admit I'd also like to own the three-disc set, as it features Molly and Sue Ann on the DVDs themselves.

I honestly don't know what the differences are between the two sets of DVDs, other than your DVDs have the interviews, and mine do not. I bought these ones because they were in the sales bin at the store.

I don't understand. :confused:

WHY did you not buy the seasons 1&2 combo? It was the first FOL DVD release, and it had season 1! As an ardent Lost Girls fan, why did you not go out and buy it as soon as it came out??? :confused:

Why did you not buy seasons 1 and 2 until they were in a sales bin?? That sounds like something someone just barely half-hearted about FOL would do, not a passionate, dedicated fan.

How did you obtain the 1&2 set's bonus feature interviews if you do not have that set???

"Inquiring minds wanna know!" ;)

To get three Lost Girls together for any FOL documentary was a huge coup for the producers of Behind Closed Doors. It has never happened.

Four. I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR ALL FOUR lol.

I don't understand. :confused:

WHY did you not buy the seasons 1&2 combo? It was the first FOL DVD release, and it had season 1! As an ardent Lost Girls fan, why did you not go out and buy it as soon as it came out??? :confused:

Why did you not buy seasons 1 and 2 until they were in a sales bin?? That sounds like something someone just barely half-hearted about FOL would do, not a passionate, dedicated fan.

How did you obtain the 1&2 set's bonus feature interviews if you do not have that set???

"Inquiring minds wanna know!" ;)

When I had checked on the status of the DVDs in the early 2000s, they weren't available. I didn't know the series was out on DVD until 2013, when my sister and I found it on sale in a bin, in a video store. She said, "We HAVE to get this!" And of course we did. When we were kids, she was a huge fan of Tootie (even getting the raincoat Tootie wore in "Flash Flood"), and I was a huge fan of the Lost Girls. So we watched back-to-back episodes of the first two seasons. It wasn't until later that I discovered there were other sets available, but by then, I had begun purchasing Facts of Life scripts.

The bonus feature interviews were available on YouTube, uploaded by another passionate fan. I simply downloaded them with my video editing suite, and edited them into my video.

Four. I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR ALL FOUR lol.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

If the lost girls had stayed, we would had some tall girls. Felice was the tallest at the beginning, but by the 3rd season, Molly would have caught up close to her and would eventually be the tallest. Even though we didn't see Molly on the show, we saw her on movies in each successive year. She was pretty tall at age 13 on the Tempest.

Yes, but The Julies are relatively short, so it all balances out.

I have a question for you hardcore fans on the DVD's. I know the first season DVD does NOT have closed captions and that's why I never bought it. (unfortunately I need them for my older ears) They're only Captioned from season 2 on for some strange reason.

But I see the Complete Series set on E bay shows the "CC" logo for all the seasons so I THINK that's the one I should get to have the first season with the captions.

If any of you have the Complete Series set, can you pop in that first season DVD from it and check if it has Captions? The only way to check would be to have your TV Caption mode on from the TV remote. It wouldn't be an option on the on screen DVD menu since it's not Subtitles.

I want to get that set, but if they're just throwing that same first season DVD from the previous set into this complete set, it's worthless to me. But I think it should be a completely new DVD pressing for this series set so it SHOULD have them for the 1st season. At least i'm hoping because I really want to get it.

And could anyone actually figure just WHY only the 1st season doesn't have the CC? All the seasons are made by the same company so it's odd they singled out that 1 season to not have them.

cfr, I'm not help to you here as I don't have the box set, but I wanted to say that since "Overachieving" in the box set has the missing suitcase moment which the "seasons 1&2" combo pack does not, perhaps they did it differently on the full set and did utilize closed captions? I don't know, but maybe. (I have no idea about the separately-sold seasons 1 and 2 individual sets).

I have a question for you hardcore fans on the DVD's. I know the first season DVD does NOT have closed captions and that's why I never bought it. (unfortunately I need them for my older ears) They're only Captioned from season 2 on for some strange reason.

But I see the Complete Series set on E bay shows the "CC" logo for all the seasons so I THINK that's the one I should get to have the first season with the captions.

If any of you have the Complete Series set, can you pop in that first season DVD from it and check if it has Captions? The only way to check would be to have your TV Caption mode on from the TV remote. It wouldn't be an option on the on screen DVD menu since it's not Subtitles.

I want to get that set, but if they're just throwing that same first season DVD from the previous set into this complete set, it's worthless to me. But I think it should be a completely new DVD pressing for this series set so it SHOULD have them for the 1st season. At least i'm hoping because I really want to get it.

And could anyone actually figure just WHY only the 1st season doesn't have the CC? All the seasons are made by the same company so it's odd they singled out that 1 season to not have them.

Do you have the Season 1 and Season 2 combo DVD (the one with the extra interview shows) or are did you get them as separate packages?

cfr, I'm not help to you here as I don't have the box set, but I wanted to say that since "Overachieving" in the box set has the missing suitcase moment which the "seasons 1&2" combo pack does not, perhaps they did it differently on the full set and did utilize closed captions? I don't know, but maybe. (I have no idea about the separately-sold seasons 1 and 2 individual sets).

Ok thanks for that info it really helps, because it tells me it's a new DVD pressing and not just the old disc thrown into the complete set. I'll hold out a bit till I get someone who hopefully has the whole set to verify for sure, but so far it's looking good to have the CC on that season 1 disc.

It's currently 69.99 on Amazon which is pretty good for all 9 seasons. That's about 7.77 per season broken down which is nice and for the 2 movies as well.

Do you have the Season 1 and Season 2 combo DVD (the one with the extra interview shows) or are did you get them as separate packages?

It's the season 1 & 2 combo pack. I knew I had bought it and never watched season 1 because the lack of CC. I fished it out and popped it in again to re-check and sure enough no CC. But the season 2 disc that came with the set has them so it's weird!

Then I went online to look at just the season 1 dvd for sale and that has no mention of CC on the back of the box. So that right there showed me that when they made the season 1 & 2 combo to sell, they just tossed in the season 1 dvd from the previous pressing.

So this is why i'm wary of getting the whole series in fear this is what they've done again. I scoured the Amazon reviews on that complete set, and i'm seeing many people complaining about the terrible video quality, so that's a red flag also.

I really want the whole series because I know Antenna TV is editing out things and I want to see this whole series again completely uncut.

Ok thanks for that info it really helps

Yeah? Wow, I said I wasn't a help, but I was! :lol:


It's currently 69.99 on Amazon which is pretty good for all 9 seasons. That's about 7.77 per season broken down which is nice and for the 2 movies as well.

That's a great price!! :eek:


Then I went online to look at just the season 1 dvd for sale and that has no mention of CC on the back of the box. So that right there showed me that when they made the season 1 & 2 combo to sell, they just tossed in the season 1 dvd from the previous pressing.

Actually, that's backwards---the combo DVD was released first. That was the BIG NEWS that FOL was finally coming to DVD. Then sometime down the road after they sold the 1&2 pack, that's when they split it up to sell as separate sets to grab any more $ they could, lol.


So this is why i'm wary of getting the whole series in fear this is what they've done again. I scoured the Amazon reviews on that complete set, and i'm seeing many people complaining about the terrible video quality, so that's a red flag also.

Really? That's weird. Some guys here have the box set and they've never complained of any alleged "terrible video quality". :confused:

Really? That's weird. Some guys here have the box set and they've never complained of any alleged "terrible video quality". :confused:

I'm just going by what i've seen on the Amazon reviews for the box set. I like to check the low star ratings to see what they say and there's quite a few complaining about the video quality, but it's good to know some here actually have it and haven't mentioned it. That's a good sign. Maybe they just got bootleg copies.

For example, I bought the complete set of The Jeffersons brand new on E Bay last year and the discs would skip and freeze so I suspect it was bootleg and I was PISSED OFF because I spent 50 bucks on that and couldn't return it.

They seem to be getting really good at making bootleg DVD sets look like they're brand new from the manufacturer when they're actually not. This is just my theory and I can't prove it. But i'm convinced that's what's going on out there.

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That is something they should have consulted Molly on.

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LOL---It seems those poor "Lost Girls" just get no love. :crying:

That is something they should have consulted Molly on.

:lol:

So true!


LOL

You've been " '80s-ed!" :) :wave:

It seems those poor "Lost Girls" just get no love. :crying:

Well, they certainly do around here! :D

:bighug:

Can someone explain to me what a CC is, or what do you mean by that?

"closed captioned", where the words are shown on the screen for the deaf and hard of hearing and hearing-impaired.

"closed captioned", where the words are shown on the screen for the deaf and hard of hearing and hearing-impaired.


CHEERS!:wave:

It's the season 1 & 2 combo pack. I knew I had bought it and never watched season 1 because the lack of CC. I fished it out and popped it in again to re-check and sure enough no CC. But the season 2 disc that came with the set has them so it's weird!

Then I went online to look at just the season 1 dvd for sale and that has no mention of CC on the back of the box. So that right there showed me that when they made the season 1 & 2 combo to sell, they just tossed in the season 1 dvd from the previous pressing.

So this is why i'm wary of getting the whole series in fear this is what they've done again. I scoured the Amazon reviews on that complete set, and i'm seeing many people complaining about the terrible video quality, so that's a red flag also.

I really want the whole series because I know Antenna TV is editing out things and I want to see this whole series again completely uncut.

I have the Mill Creek s1 and s2 DVDs from 2014, and can confirm the s1 DVD is missing the CC logo on the back, but s2 does have the logo. Not sure why any company wouldn't closed-caption their DVDs at this point. Seems like a way to lose sales.

The quality of the videos seemed fine.

I know what you mean about wanting to see the whole series. Years ago, a syndicator advertised they'd be broadcasting "the complete" series of Doctor Who. Now, there are over 100 episodes of the show that are missing, presumed destroyed, but I still thought I was watching a reasonably complete series. Nope! They didn't air any partial episode, any episode that had a part 2, 3, or 4 that was missing, meaning I was very confused.

Also: Sue Ann's house shoes?? :lol:

Also: Sue Ann's house shoes?? :lol:

Why does it look like one of them is going through the floor?!

Why does it look like one of them is going through the floor?!

Haha, because she has it mushed down on the front.

But they look so funny! :lol: I never noticed them until seeing them in a still photo, lol.

Are they, like, "all the rage" in Kansas City, Kansas?? Because Blair sure wouldn't wear those!

(What's on them, anyway? Are those supposed to be bunny ears like "bunny slippers", or just some random decoration? Oh, 1980! :lol:)

I have the Mill Creek s1 and s2 DVDs from 2014, and can confirm the s1 DVD is missing the CC logo on the back, but s2 does have the logo. Not sure why any company wouldn't closed-caption their DVDs at this point. Seems like a way to lose sales.

The quality of the videos seemed fine.

I know what you mean about wanting to see the whole series. Years ago, a syndicator advertised they'd be broadcasting "the complete" series of Doctor Who. Now, there are over 100 episodes of the show that are missing, presumed destroyed, but I still thought I was watching a reasonably complete series. Nope! They didn't air any partial episode, any episode that had a part 2, 3, or 4 that was missing, meaning I was very confused.


A few years ago I was going to start watching Dr. Who because it looked interesting....but it's a 26 season show with hundreds of episodes, I said to myself, i'll never get through that lol.
Amazon seems to have the whole series of 27 seasons on Prime. It would probably take me years to get through all those episodes! :lol:

Today's FOL had another "Another World" star on it...Ellen Wheeler had a small part at the end during Jo's party and even spouted a line "Blair Warner a ventriloquist?!"
Coincidentally, she played opposite Tom Eplin on AW who also guested on FOL, and even married him in real life too. Funny.

The next episode is playing now and Blair actually has TWO steady boyfriends. There's Cliff and Guy, both who were in a few episodes. (I had forgotten all about Guy when I asked in the other thread about steady boyfriends) So Blair did date a couple of steady guys.

I think those are just bows. I think those were very popular in the 1980s. I remember my female relatives wearing them in the mornings and late at night.

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I have always loved the set from season 1 FOL: the school with the cozy living room, the stairs and the girl's room.:cool:

The 'Eastland years' season 2 to 4 were great too, but i was glad when they built 'Edna's Edibles': it reminded me a lot the first year with the 'lost girls', because now at last they had the large living room sofa and the stairs, and of course the core of 4 were now living under the same roof as MRS G, like the real family they never had....

So thank you to all of you fans for the photos you download regularly!:wave:

A few years ago I was going to start watching Dr. Who because it looked interesting....but it's a 26 season show with hundreds of episodes, I said to myself, i'll never get through that lol.
Amazon seems to have the whole series of 27 seasons on Prime. It would probably take me years to get through all those episodes! :lol:

Yeah, with 861 episodes, watching for 2 hours per day, every day, would take... 431 days. :lol:


The next episode is playing now and Blair actually has TWO steady boyfriends. There's Cliff and Guy, both who were in a few episodes. (I had forgotten all about Guy when I asked in the other thread about steady boyfriends) So Blair did date a couple of steady guys.

Well, one Guy and one Cliff. :lol:

Today's FOL had another "Another World" star on it...Ellen Wheeler had a small part at the end during Jo's party and even spouted a line "Blair Warner a ventriloquist?!"
Coincidentally, she played opposite Tom Eplin on AW who also guested on FOL, and even married him in real life too. Funny.

Yes! As soon as I read "Today's FOL had another "Another World" star on it", I knew who it was before I read her name. I totally remembered her being in that scene, yup!

Anna Stuart (Donna Love Hudson) appeared on a "Who's the Boss?" episode in a TINY role. She was the mother of a prom-dress-shopping rival of Samantha's in a dress shop, lol. And she had ONE LINE, something like, "Of course, darling. I want you to be happy for your prom!" It's so weird watching huge audience favorites/constant presences like Jake and Donna being "nobodies" on these other appearances, lol.


The next episode is playing now and Blair actually has TWO steady boyfriends. There's Cliff and Guy, both who were in a few episodes. (I had forgotten all about Guy when I asked in the other thread about steady boyfriends) So Blair did date a couple of steady guys.

Guy? I don't remember any "Guy"! :lol:

Also, I would LOVE to be able to watch the first 20 years of "Sesame Street" in uncut episodes! That's only 2,615 one-hour shows! :lol: Alright Retro, how long do I need to take off for for that?? :lol:

Also, I would LOVE to be able to watch the first 20 years of "Sesame Street" in uncut episodes! That's only 2,615 one-hour shows! :lol: Alright Retro, how long do I need to take off for for that?? :lol:

Well, at 24 hours a day, seven days a week, you'd only need to take off 109 days in a row. Easy peasy! :lol:

Yes! As soon as I read "Today's FOL had another "Another World" star on it", I knew who it was before I read her name. I totally remembered her being in that scene, yup!

Anna Stuart (Donna Love Hudson) appeared on a "Who's the Boss?" episode in a TINY role. She was the mother of a prom-dress-shopping rival of Samantha's in a dress shop, lol. And she had ONE LINE, something like, "Of course, darling. I want you to be happy for your prom!" It's so weird watching huge audience favorites/constant presences like Jake and Donna being "nobodies" on these other appearances, lol.




Guy? I don't remember any "Guy"! :lol:

He played was on a few episodes. First time was when Jo hid in Blair's dorm in the start of the season and he lived on the same floor. They dated a few times. I have a pic of him and Blair from that episode but can't find a way to insert it here. I don't know how you guys do that! :lol:


Here's his appearances listed on IMDB:

1984The Facts of Life (TV Series)
Guy Reynolds
- Taking a Chance on Love: Part 2 (1984) ... Guy Reynolds
- Taking a Chance on Love: Part 1 (1984) ... Guy Reynolds
- Star at Langley (1984) ... Guy Reynolds
- Advance Placement (1983) ... Guy Reynolds
- Brave New World: Part 2 (1983) ... Guy Reynolds
- Brave New World: Part 1 (1983) ... Guy Reynolds

Guy? I don't remember any "Guy"! :lol:

We're everywhere! :lol:

Yes! As soon as I read "Today's FOL had another "Another World" star on it", I knew who it was before I read her name. I totally remembered her being in that scene, yup!

Anna Stuart (Donna Love Hudson) appeared on a "Who's the Boss?" episode in a TINY role. She was the mother of a prom-dress-shopping rival of Samantha's in a dress shop, lol. And she had ONE LINE, something like, "Of course, darling. I want you to be happy for your prom!" It's so weird watching huge audience favorites/constant presences like Jake and Donna being "nobodies" on these other appearances, lol.

As soon as I saw her I was like "That's Ellen Wheeler!" I had NO idea she was on here...(see what I mean about these episodes being new to me? I did see them when they first aired, but my brain just forgot so much!)

Though there are stand out scenes that are burned in my memory. The one that just played where Mrs. G told her story to Natalie about how she went to the movies when her own father died and she laughed for 2 hours which helped ease the grief...I clearly remembered that scene because I always thought about it over the years when I experienced the loss of others. That scene just struck a chord with me that I never forgot it. :)

But anyways, now I HAVE to have the complete series of this just to forever have those old AW stars on it. It brings back so many good memories!

I have always loved the set from season 1 FOL: the school with the cozy living room, the stairs and the girl's room.:cool:

Then I bet you would enjoy the "Season 1 props/sets/decor discussion thread". :)


The 'Eastland years' season 2 to 4 were great too, but i was glad when they built 'Edna's Edibles': it reminded me a lot the first year with the 'lost girls', because now at last they had the large living room sofa and the stairs, and of course the core of 4 were now living under the same roof as MRS G

Oooo, I never thought of that! Neat comparison!


like the real family they never had....

Ouch! :eek: They had families, it's just that they formed a "second family" since I always imagined boarding schools were away from home, and since the girls were all "quarantined together" (lol).


So thank you to all of you fans for the photos you download regularly!:wave:

It's our pleasure! :wave:

Well, at 24 hours a day, seven days a week, you'd only need to take off 109 days in a row. Easy peasy! :lol:

Wait, that can't be right! You're saying 20 years of SS, which aired 5 days a week, would take LESS time to watch than 27 years of Dr.W, which only aired 1 day a week?? :confused:

I have a pic of him and Blair from that episode but can't find a way to insert it here. I don't know how you guys do that! :lol:


Click the "Attachments" button in the top menu bar, then in the "Manage attachments" window, choose "Browse". Select your file, then click "open", "upload", and when it's loaded, click "close this window". Then type some text (you have to type at least one character), then hit "Submit Reply". Voila!

We're everywhere! :lol:

:rofl:

Wait, that can't be right! You're saying 20 years of SS, which aired 5 days a week, would take LESS time to watch than 27 years of Dr.W, which only aired 1 day a week?? :confused:

No, for Doctor Who, I allowed CFR a relatively easy 2-hour-a-day schedule. For you, since I know you're a huge Sesame Street fan, I estimated you'd be watching the show 24 hours a day, seven days a week. :lol:

(see what I mean about these episodes being new to me? I did see them when they first aired, but my brain just forgot so much!)

Yes, that's so much fun!

Oh, another future star on FOL---in the cafeteria years, Brian Robbins, who would go on to become popular teen Eric on "Head of the Class" (he says the word "hair" really funny when he says, "What if you were busy doing something, like washing your huaihr?" lol)


Though there are stand out scenes that are burned in my memory. The one that just played where Mrs. G told her story to Natalie about how she went to the movies when her own father died and she laughed for 2 hours which helped ease the grief...I clearly remembered that scene because I always thought about it over the years when I experienced the loss of others. That scene just struck a chord with me that I never forgot it. :)

That's sweet. :) And I know what you mean. I totally have certain scenes or episodes in my "memory bank" too.


But anyways, now I HAVE to have the complete series of this just to forever have those old AW stars on it. It brings back so many good memories!

Lol, yup!

No, for Doctor Who, I allowed CFR a relatively easy 2-hour-a-day schedule. For you, since I know you're a huge Sesame Street fan, I estimated you'd be watching the show 24 hours a day, seven days a week. :lol:

OH, okay. :lol:

Hmmm, well, what if I were to watch, say, 3 episodes a day? How long would it take me then?

Click the "Attachments" button in the top menu bar, then in the "Manage attachments" window, choose "Browse". Select your file, then click "open", "upload", and when it's loaded, click "close this window". Then type some text (you have to type at least one character), then hit "Submit Reply". Voila!

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I think it worked! Guy is the guy on the right. :lol:

EDIT: Yes it worked. Thanks so much! I was always trying to use the little yellow icon that said "insert pic". Thanks again! (And the look on Jo's face between them is hysterical!)

OH, okay. :lol:

Hmmm, well, what if I were to watch, say, 3 episodes a day? How long would it take me then?

2,615 episodes divided by 3 per day = 872 days, or 2 years and 142 days. But by then, there would be an additional number of episodes. :lol:

Click the "Attachments" button in the top menu bar

Oh, haha! I never do that! I never even noticed it! :rofl:

What I do is scroll down and click "Manage Attachments", and it brings up the window to "browse". Funny! :lol:

I think it worked! Guy is the guy on the right. :lol:

Really? :lol:


EDIT: Yes it worked. Thanks so much! I was always trying to use the little yellow icon that said "insert pic". Thanks again! (And the look on Jo's face between them is hysterical!)

YAY! It worked!

Yeah, I never use that yellow "Insert image" button: it doesn't always work because some websites prohibit hotlinking, and later, if the image is taken down, it breaks the image on the forum, leaving people who want to look at old threads looking at a bunch of broken image icons. Avoid that evil yellow button!

Then I bet you would enjoy the "Season 1 props/sets/decor discussion thread". :)




Oooo, I never thought of that! Neat comparison!




Ouch! :eek: They had families, it's just that they formed a "second family" since I always imagined boarding schools were away from home, and since the girls were all "quarantined together" (lol).




It's our pleasure! :wave:


I suppose the core of 4 had real families, although they never seemed real to me.
for instance: MONICA WARNER was more like a 'play pal' to BLAIR, always traveling and changing men! And the only time she was with her daughter was to take her shopping instead of giving her good advice or heart to heart talk (that job was delegated to MRS G of course).
MRS POLNIACZEC (i can't remember JO's mum name) was also busy working overtime, and to be honest she didn't really understand her own daughter (That was MRS G's job once again).
MRS RAMSEY (again i don't know TOOTIE's mum's name either) was incapable of dealing with her own daughter: they just didn't click (TOOTIE even said MRS G understood her more).
And finally,
MRS GREEN (don't know her name either) is the only one of the biological mothers who truly bonded and understood her own daughter (but then again, MRS G was the 'adult role model' for NAT!):lol:

Oh, haha! I never do that! I never even noticed it! :rofl:

:lol:


What I do is scroll down and click "Manage Attachments", and it brings up the window to "browse". Funny! :lol:

More than one way to skin a cat. (Oops, sorry Tootie). :lol:

Really? :lol:



YAY! It worked!

Yeah, I never use that yellow "Insert image" button: it doesn't always work because some websites prohibit hotlinking, and later, if the image is taken down, it breaks the image on the forum, leaving people who want to look at old threads looking at a bunch of broken image icons. Avoid that evil yellow button!

Here's another one of Guy. No one remembers him dating Blair?!

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I think it worked! Guy is the guy on the right. :lol:

It did! Okay, and I remember him from that episode, but that's all! :lol:


EDIT: Yes it worked. Thanks so much! I was always trying to use the little yellow icon that said "insert pic". Thanks again! (And the look on Jo's face between them is hysterical!)

Oh, sure. Retro explains something to you with a visual aid, and you can do it. IIIIIII explain something with a visual aid, and you "can't". :mad:

Well, Retro is a teacher, so I guess I'll give you a pass on this one. ;)

:lol:

:p

I suppose the core of 4 had real families, although they never seemed real to me.
for instance: MONICA WARNER was more like a 'play pal' to BLAIR, always traveling and changing men! And the only time she was with her daughter was to take her shopping instead of giving her good advice or heart to heart talk (that job was delegated to MRS G of course).
MRS POLNIACZEC (i can't remember JO's mum name) was also busy working overtime, and to be honest she didn't really understand her own daughter (That was MRS G's job once again).
MRS RAMSEY (again i don't know TOOTIE's mum's name either) was incapable of dealing with her own daughter: they just didn't click (TOOTIE even said MRS G understood her more).
And finally,
MRS GREEN (don't know her name either) is the only one of the biological mothers who truly bonded and understood her own daughter (but then again, MRS G was the 'adult role model' for NAT!):lol:

I adore Rose Polniaczek, working, like 32 different jobs trying to put Jo through a good school, and then college, but I don't really care for the other moms on the show.

It seems to me like they only showed up to boss the girls around and interfere in their lives. Heck, we saw Guy, a part-time boyfriend of Blair's, more often than we saw most of the girls' mothers. How much influence could their mothers have on their lives when we saw, for example, Natalie's mom exactly three times in nine years? Tootie's mom was even more absentee: twice in over nine years.

I suppose the core of 4 had real families, although they never seemed real to me.

They did to me. They all had bonds with their daughters in different ways. It doesn't mean they loved them any less.

And of course Mrs. Garrett had bonding relationships with them, because at boarding school you're living at the school. That gives her an unfair advantage. :lol:

And most parents and teenagers don't understand each other, at least at times.

Oh, sure. Retro explains something to you with a visual aid, and you can do it. IIIIIII explain something with a visual aid, and you "can't". :mad:

Well, Retro is a teacher, so I guess I'll give you a pass on this one. ;)

:lol:

:p

Are you talking about the multiple quoting you explained to me? Don't feel bad because I still can't figure that out and just gave up on it. Attaching the pics is SO much easier in comparison to that!

I don't really care for the other moms on the show.

I was afraid this was going to come up again. That's very sad. And that's a fact of life. :(


It seems to me like they only showed up to boss the girls around and interfere in their lives.

It seems to me they (AND their dads) showed up at school when they could to visit their daughters, and the girls were always so happy to see them. :) :grouphug:


How much influence could their mothers have on their lives when we saw, for example, Natalie's mom exactly three times in nine years? Tootie's mom was even more absentee: twice in over nine years.

That was only what we as the viewers saw on screen. Their mothers and fathers of course visited more often than that (in my mind they certainly did).

Are you talking about the multiple quoting you explained to me? Don't feel bad because I still can't figure that out and just gave up on it. Attaching the pics is SO much easier in comparison to that!

I'll try not to be insulted! ;)

I adore Rose Polniaczek, working, like 32 different jobs trying to put Jo through a good school, and then college, but I don't really care for the other moms on the show.

It seems to me like they only showed up to boss the girls around and interfere in their lives. Heck, we saw Guy, a part-time boyfriend of Blair's, more often than we saw most of the girls' mothers. How much influence could their mothers have on their lives when we saw, for example, Natalie's mom exactly three times in nine years? Tootie's mom was even more absentee: twice in over nine years.


I liked ROSE too (that was her name thank you!): she was warm and funny. And although MONICA WARNER seemed 'shallow', i kind of liked her too: she was sweet, and you could tell she wanted so much to be close to her daughter but didn't know how.
NAT's mum was cool too, but if i'd have to say out of the mums, she was definitely the 'bossy' one!
Finally,
TOOTIE''s mum was the only one i couldn't warm up too: to me she seemed 'cold' and 'distant'....:p

Here's another one of Guy. No one remembers him dating Blair?!

I said I did from that one episode! :lol:

I liked ROSE too (that was her name thank you!): she was warm and funny. And although MONICA WARNER seemed 'shallow', i kind of liked her too: she was sweet, and you could tell she wanted so much to be close to her daughter but didn't know how.

Exactly! :) That was great about her.


NAT's mum was cool too, but if i'd have to say out of the mums, she was definitely the 'bossy' one!

I definitely "felt" for her, being the adoptive mother. Poor Evie! What an emotional time they went through. And she was not "bossy", not at all. She was parenting. She was sensitive, understanding, and hated to say "no" to her child, but she knew what was best for her daughter. It's very realistic.

Plus, she was supportive of Natalie finding her birth mother, and even gave her her birth mother's name. That is very loving of an adoptive parent to do. Based on a show about adoption I watch (I'm not adopted but enjoy the happy stories on the show), some adoptive parents keep the truth hidden or lie when asked.

It seems to me they (AND their dads) showed up at school when they could to visit their daughters,

Peekskill is only a 45-minute drive from NYC. I could understand Rose and Charlie visiting less often, because they're working their butts off to pay for Jo's school, but we actually see Rose and Charlie fairly often. way more often than Tootie's or Natalie's parents.


and the girls were always so happy to see them. :) :grouphug:

Yeah, except when Blair's mom is slapping her, :schmack: or her father is using their visits as a tax write-off. :typing: Blair says it herself: Jo and Molly's parents love them more than Blair's parents love her. Blair is trying to assemble enough parents and step-parents to assemble one mother and father.

The perfect ratio of parent visits per year would be several times per season. Charlie/Rose, despite their hectic schedules, almost manage that, with 16 visits over 8 years. Dr. Parker averages 1 time per season. All the other girls fall far below that number, Tootie's parents visiting three times in nine years.

And, while it can be argued they visited more between episodes, we just don't see that.

We're not going to agree or see eye to eye on this unless you change your mind, lol. ;)

Peekskill is only a 45-minute drive from NYC.

I don't consider 45 minutes "only". 20 I would, but not 45. It's still a ways away. And it's a boarding school. My impression of boarding schools has always been they are for kids to be sent to for schooling, to live at the school while having their education. So it's natural to not see your family as much as public school kids who live at home near their school.


I could understand Rose and Charlie visiting less often, because they're working their butts off to pay for Jo's school, but we actually see Rose and Charlie fairly often. way more often than Tootie's or Natalie's parents.

That's only going by the documented episodes, a very small sampling of each year. If each season were 9 months long (lol), I'm sure we'd see them more.


Yeah, except when Blair's mom is slapping her, :schmack: or her father is using their visits as a tax write-off. :typing:

Well, some teens cross the line with parents, and some parents "discipline" them. And Blair's dad still loves her.

I wonder what it is that turned you off of them so much. I think the girls would be a little hurt if you didn't come around to being open-minded about their parents.


Blair says it herself: Jo and Molly's parents love them more than Blair's parents love her. Blair is trying to assemble enough parents and step-parents to assemble one mother and father.

Yes, in spring 1980. But things gradually improved. :)


The perfect ratio of parent visits per year would be several times per season. Charlie/Rose, despite their hectic schedules, almost manage that, with 16 visits over 8 years. Dr. Parker averages 1 time per season. All the other girls fall far below that number, Tootie's parents visiting three times in nine years.

And, while it can be argued they visited more between episodes, we just don't see that.

Exactly. You cannot argue that the parents don't show up more. It seems you really dislike them and just don't want to believe that they did.

Again, another one of those (unfortunate) Retro/'80s concrete differences.

I used to live in the Bronx and Westchester NY. When I lived in White Plains, (which is already a 45 mins drive from NYC, and usually more with traffic), it's another 45 minutes from White Plains to Peekskill. So you're actually looking at a 90 minute drive from NYC to Peekskill.

In reality none of the parents would've driven anyway. It's much more convenient to take the Metro North from Grand Central Station straight up to Peekskill. That I believe is only 45 minutes so they would've logically done that over driving there.

EDIT: I just checked on Google maps...the fastest driving route from midtown Manhattan to Peekskill is 1 hr and 17 minutes.

I used to live in the Bronx and Westchester NY. When I lived in White Plains, (which is already a 45 mins drive from NYC, and usually more with traffic), it's another 45 minutes from White Plains to Peekskill. So you're actually looking at a 90 minute drive from NYC to Peekskill.

Good insight!


In reality none of the parents would've driven anyway. It's much more convenient to take the Metro North from Grand Central Station straight up to Peekskill. That I believe is only 45 minutes so they would've logically done that over driving there.

Well, I don't think the Warners would set foot on "the Metro North". :lol:

I liked ROSE too (that was her name thank you!): she was warm and funny. And although MONICA WARNER seemed 'shallow', i kind of liked her too: she was sweet, and you could tell she wanted so much to be close to her daughter but didn't know how.
NAT's mum was cool too, but if i'd have to say out of the mums, she was definitely the 'bossy' one!
Finally,
TOOTIE''s mum was the only one i couldn't warm up too: to me she seemed 'cold' and 'distant'....:p

"Cold", "distant", "bossy", "shallow", "didn't know how to be close to her daughter". The perfect adjectives to describe the FOL girls' mothers. Well said, Valentina.

Rose is the only one who had to bust her butt to put her daughter through school, and the only one who was able to consistently show her love to her daughter.

Good insight!




Well, I don't think the Warners would set foot on "the Metro North". :lol:

Actually, I believe they would. The Metro North isn't like a subway. It's more like Amtrak and in real life lots of well to do people use it to shuttle back & forth from NYC to Westchester & Connecticut. Believe me, driving to and from NYC is a nightmare and Blair's mother doesn't strike me as the type who would sit in traffic. :lol:

"Cold", "distant", "bossy", "shallow", "didn't know how to be close to her daughter". The perfect adjectives to describe the FOL girls' mothers. Well said, Valentina.

Rose is the only one who had to bust her butt to put her daughter through school, and the only one who was able to consistently show her love to her daughter.

I highly disagree (and "didn't know how to be close to her daughter" isn't necessarily a fault).

I can't believe you love this show so much yet have such disdain for the parents. :( It feels like you're not able to enjoy the show to your full enjoyment potential when they're on.

I used to live in the Bronx and Westchester NY. When I lived in White Plains, (which is already a 45 mins drive from NYC, and usually more with traffic), it's another 45 minutes from White Plains to Peekskill. So you're actually looking at a 90 minute drive from NYC to Peekskill.

In reality none of the parents would've driven anyway. It's much more convenient to take the Metro North from Grand Central Station straight up to Peekskill. That I believe is only 45 minutes so they would've logically done that over driving there.

EDIT: I just checked on Google maps...the fastest driving route from midtown Manhattan to Peekskill is 1 hr and 17 minutes.

Thanks for the local input; that's very helpful. I don't think Monica or David Warner would have taken a Metro, but I think that underscores the problem: they rarely even came up in their limos.

Actually, I believe they would. The Metro North isn't like a subway. It's more like Amtrak and in real life lots of well to do people use it to shuttle back & forth from NYC to Westchester & Connecticut.

Ahh, okay.


Believe me, driving to and from NYC is a nightmare and Blair's mother doesn't strike me as the type who would sit in traffic. :lol:

:lol:

I dunno, I mean, as long as there's a 1980 car phone and she's being chaufferred (if that were the case), why not? lol


but I think that underscores the problem: they rarely even came up in their limos.

Only from what was documented. I'm a glass half-full viewer, so I disagree.

And we shall always agree to disagree, and move on, lol. :cheers:

Ahh, okay.




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I dunno, I mean, as long as there's a 1980 car phone and she's being chaufferred (if that were the case), why not? lol

Probably true, but the train would be 45 mins compared to 90 mins or more in the car. I just think for convenience sake I could see her cabbing it to Grand Central Station and another cab from Peekskill station to the school.

One thing that did irk me being a local was how they always referred to Manhattan as "New York". They lived in Peekskill for crying out loud, not another state!
People in upstate NY just say we're going to "the city" or "down to the city". Whenever the characters mentioned going downtown, they'd say "let's go to New York" or "It's in New York"....Um, hello....you already ARE in New York! :lol:

I blame that on clueless Hollywood writers though.

Peekskill is only a 45-minute drive from NYC. I could understand Rose and Charlie visiting less often, because they're working their butts off to pay for Jo's school, but we actually see Rose and Charlie fairly often. way more often than Tootie's or Natalie's parents.



Yeah, except when Blair's mom is slapping her, :schmack: or her father is using their visits as a tax write-off. :typing: Blair says it herself: Jo and Molly's parents love them more than Blair's parents love her. Blair is trying to assemble enough parents and step-parents to assemble one mother and father.

The perfect ratio of parent visits per year would be several times per season. Charlie/Rose, despite their hectic schedules, almost manage that, with 16 visits over 8 years. Dr. Parker averages 1 time per season. All the other girls fall far below that number, Tootie's parents visiting three times in nine years.

And, while it can be argued they visited more between episodes, we just don't see that.

We never knew anything about Nancy O's parents. Cindy's father seemed more in her life than her mother (he did teach her the facts of life after all). While we never seen SueAnn parents, from her talking about them, they appeared happily married.

Probably true, but the train would be 45 mins compared to 90 mins or more in the car. I just think for convenience sake I could see her cabbing it to Grand Central Station and another cab from Peekskill station to the school.

One thing that did irk me being a local was how they always referred to Manhattan as "New York". They lived in Peekskill for crying out loud, not another state!
People in upstate NY just say we're going to "the city" or "down to the city". Whenever the characters mentioned going downtown, they'd say "let's go to New York" or "It's in New York"....Um, hello....you already ARE in New York! :lol:

I blame that on clueless Hollywood writers though.

:lol:

It's the same in the Bay Area: people just call it "the city". I have seen movies where people call it "Frisco". No-one in the Bay Area calls it "Frisco".

We never knew anything about Nancy O's parents.

We do hear, in The Girls' School, that Nancy's father lost her job; that's why she had to leave Eastland.

Cindy's father seemed more in her life than her mother (he did teach her the facts of life after all). While we never seen SueAnn parents, from her talking about them, they appeared happily married.

I really wish we'd gotten more of these glimpses into their lives. It would have been cool to meet all their parents.

"Cold", "distant", "bossy", "shallow", "didn't know how to be close to her daughter". The perfect adjectives to describe the FOL girls' mothers. Well said, Valentina.

Rose is the only one who had to bust her butt to put her daughter through school, and the only one who was able to consistently show her love to her daughter.


Thank you for the compliment retro!;)

And yes you are right: ROSE tends to show JO her love consistently, and actually NAT's mum too (remember she gave her the 'biological' mum's address, although it pained her).
BLAIR is the one who suffers more in my opinion (she has always craved for a real family) and therefore the one who needs MRS G most. She tends to hide her feelings by pretending to be snobbish and shallow, but underneath she really is hurting...
I think i'm one of the minority/few person to really understand what she's going through, and i can actually rely more to her than all the other girls!
Why you'd ask? Because i always see the best in everyone, and i tend to give the 'villains' (not that BLAIR is) a second chance to redeem themselves.
To me it's so obvious that she is just wearing a mask to protect herself from the society, and the only people who really see through her and love her just the way she is, are MRS G and JO.
TOOTIE is more fortunate: her parents are 'workaholics', but at least she has brothers and sisters lol! :wave:

^---I agree with a lot of that :)

And it's funny you mention Mrs. Green's adoptive mothering, because I added more on that to my post at the top of this page.

Thank you for the compliment retro!;)

And yes you are right: ROSE tends to show JO her love consistently

Yeah, even when Rose is yelling at Jo, you can tell she's doing it from a place of both worry and love.


BLAIR is the one who suffers more in my opinion (she has always craved for a real family) and therefore the one who needs MRS G most. She tends to hide her feelings by pretending to be snobbish and shallow, but underneath she really is hurting...
I think i'm one of the minority/few person to really understand what she's going through, and i can actually rely more to her than all the other girls!
Why you'd ask? Because i always see the best in everyone, and i tend to give the 'villains' (not that BLAIR is) a second chance to redeem themselves.
To me it's so obvious that she is just wearing a mask to protect herself from the society, and the only people who really see through her and love her just the way she is, are MRS G and JO.


I agree that Mrs. Garrett definitely became a surrogate mother to all the girls, and especially Blair. But that doesn't absolve the parents' responsibility. Where were they, for example, during the girls' birthdays? Why didn't we see them at school plays, college events, cotillions, parents' nights, PTA meetings, grand openings... Are you telling me your little girl is opening a shop, and you can't be bothered to show up for the grand opening? :lol:

See I never saw her as a surrogate mother, because she was "old", lol. I've said around here elsewhere that since she's about 2 generations older than the girls, that I've always thought of her more as a surrogate grandmother (and in my formative years a third grandmother for me, too).

That's what makes her relationships with the girls so special. She's not solely an authority figure while they're away at school, nor an guiding relative, but a wonderful combination. :)

See I never saw her as a surrogate mother, because she was "old", lol. I've said around here elsewhere that since she's about 2 generations older than the girls, that I've always thought of her more as a surrogate grandmother (and in my formative years a third grandmother for me, too).

That's what makes her relationships with the girls so special. She's not solely an authority figure while they're away at school, nor an guiding relative, but a wonderful combination. :)


I can see where's you're coming from with your comment: of course for you as a child growing, MRS G would seem more like a 'granny' than a 'mum' (after all she was in her fifties) but she could still easily pass as a 'mature mum' to the teenage girls;)