Interesting - if most of it already known to Bewitched fans - documentary looking back at the show. Barry Pintar hosts - very interesting is that he has the original 1963 pilot script. Liz actually wrote a food recipe on it she got from a fellow cast member.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHaXWsX06Es

Another interesting bit is that Bill Asher told Pintar that the set was actually really dirty and dusty all the time calling it "filthy." You can see how bad the living room carpet looks often in photo stills.

This was so interesting. Lots of information that I have not heard before. The dirty set was hilarious.

Asher had an affair for almost 5 years with Nancy Fox , Liz caught him about a third of the way into filming season 8, she kicked him out, he was eventually banned from the set and she took up with Richard Michaels.

They never left for Europe, it was Hawaii and not before all the filming for season 8 was over. In fact there was no special final episode because a season 9 had been agreed too and Liz had signed and only later during the hiatus she changed her mind and pulled the plug on Bewitched. She just wanted to do other things like A Case of Rape or The Legend of Lizzie Borden for example.

Asher ran the show but after he was banned Richard Michaels ran the show the rest of that 8th season. She never went to Europe and didn't go anywhere till season 8 finished filming.

Asher came back to direct the last episode but from the Samantha on thin ice ep to that one he was banned from the set with those 12 episodes directed by Richard Michaels except for two by others when he was not available.

The A&E Biography episode on EM states that she went to Europe in 1972 (end of season 8). The Pintar biography states she and Michaels went to Europe together in 1972 (end of season 8).

That was just the narrative Asher was spinning at the time to paint himself in a good light and Liz in a bad one while hiding his in effect second wife in Nancy Fox.

There are photos of Liz and RM in Hawaii and SF together in early 1972, none of them in Europe which has been debunked as a false narrative, but hey believe what you want.

The important point is that Liz did not just disappear with episodes yet to be filmed, that narrative that Pinter spoke of is ridiculous.

The A&E Biography episode on EM states that she went to Europe in 1972 (end of season 8). The Pintar biography states she and Michaels went to Europe together in 1972 (end of season 8).

none of them in Europe which has been debunked as a false narrative, but hey believe what you want.

Who "debunked" that as a false narrative...and why would anyone want to? Why would people need to think she was in Europe when it was "really" Hawaii.

You really don't have a clue do you,when talking about the Ashers marriage and how it ended it is extremely important oh well never mind, i am not teaching a course here.

Who "debunked" that as a false narrative...and why would anyone want to? Why would people need to think she was in Europe when it was "really" Hawaii.

You really don't have a clue do you,when talking about the Ashers marriage and how it ended it is extremely important oh well never mind, i am not teaching a course here.

"extremely important" to whom...

To any fan of Bewitched and Elizabeth Montgomery of which clearly you are neither.!

"extremely important" to whom...

To any fan of Bewitched and Elizabeth Montgomery of which clearly you are neither.!

If you don't know the answer just say so. Obfuscation doesn't really help solve the mystery.

Obfuscate and deflect much?, me thinks you do.
I know you are invariably a classic Star Trek moment where i say to myself:

"Beam me up Scottie, there is no intelligent life down here."

You know i was going to comment to these replies but none of them said anything, that is NOT fair and puts me at a disadvantage when i am a sentient and cognitive human being and you are not.



If you don't know the answer just say so. Obfuscation doesn't really help solve the mystery.

Interesting - if most of it already known to Bewitched fans - documentary looking back at the show. Barry Pintar hosts - very interesting is that he has the original 1963 pilot script. Liz actually wrote a food recipe on it she got from a fellow cast member.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHaXWsX06Es

Another interesting bit is that Bill Asher told Pintar that the set was actually really dirty and dusty all the time calling it "filthy." You can see how bad the living room carpet looks often in photo stills.

I watched the first half yesterday, and will watch the second part today.

It's funny, because I never would have taken Samantha for a slovenly housekeeper! :lol: I mean, we totally got the opposite impression on the show; you'd think that the crew would have noticed, and would have had someone come in and clean the carpets.

For those who are interested in the pilot script for "Bewitched" - it was reprinted in its entirety in this book by '"series creator" Sol Saks: "The Craft of Comedy Writing."

https://www.biblio.com/book/craft-comedy-writing-sol-saks/d/864616670?aid=frg&utm_source=google&utm_medium=product&utm_campaign=feed-details&gclid=Cj0KCQiAwP3yBRCkARIsAABGiPq5TmdY30xC8SIq6K8af1BidM5KW1m14L6XV5ezOlFe5NTVHdoPHMIaAkI7EALw_wcB

Why would they want to clean it if one could not see it on film that it was so, plus Samantha is not a real person therefore the comment about her being a sloppy housekeeper in regards to carpets that actually existed in real life where she did not shows a disconnect from fantasy and reality.

I watched the first half yesterday, and will watch the second part today.

It's funny, because I never would have taken Samantha for a slovenly housekeeper! :lol: I mean, we totally got the opposite impression on the show; you'd think that the crew would have noticed, and would have had someone come in and clean the carpets.

Why would they want to clean it if one could not see it on film that it was so, plus Samantha is not a real person therefore the comment about her being a sloppy housekeeper in regards to carpets that actually existed in real life where she did not shows a disconnect from fantasy and reality.

If you actually read RetroGuy2000's post he was suggesting that the crew should have kept the set very clean to help portray Samantha as a fastidious housekeeper (as the show portrays) - not that Samantha was a real person who cleaned...

The point is there was nothing to read there, he err you clued out on the stated fact that one could not see on film the state of the carpets, and the way he posted it he stated Samantha should have done so even thought she isn't you know like a real person.

If you actually read RetroGuy2000's post he was suggesting that the crew should have kept the set very clean to help portray Samantha as a fastidious housekeeper (as the show portrays) - not that Samantha was a real person who cleaned...

For those who are interested in the pilot script for "Bewitched" - it was reprinted in its entirety in this book by '"series creator" Sol Saks: "The Craft of Comedy Writing."

https://www.biblio.com/book/craft-comedy-writing-sol-saks/d/864616670?aid=frg&utm_source=google&utm_medium=product&utm_campaign=feed-details&gclid=Cj0KCQiAwP3yBRCkARIsAABGiPq5TmdY30xC8SIq6K8af1BidM5KW1m14L6XV5ezOlFe5NTVHdoPHMIaAkI7EALw_wcB

Bill Asher said that Sol Saks HATED his changes to the concept - making Samantha the girl next door instead of a real dark witch. But Asher kept him in the credit to hopefully keep him happy. I can't find the exact quote now, but Sol Saks was not happy and wanted nothing to do with Asher's retooled (for the better) concept.

If you actually read RetroGuy2000's post he was suggesting that the crew should have kept the set very clean to help portray Samantha as a fastidious housekeeper (as the show portrays) - not that Samantha was a real person who cleaned...

True. But there's no point in arguing with this "Larry Tate"/"Monliz" person. There was a time when I could believe some of what "Larry Tate" wrote here, and even take some of the scholarly comments seriously, but once we started dealing with altered audio clips and quotes, it ruined his credibility.

No Sol Saks threatened to file a complaint with the writers guild against Asher so he went along with giving Sol Saks credit for the script and the series creator credit as well.

Bill Asher said that Sol Saks HATED his changes to the concept - making Samantha the girl next door instead of a real dark witch. But Asher kept him in the credit to hopefully keep him happy. I can't find the exact quote now, but Sol Saks was not happy and wanted nothing to do with Asher's retooled (for the better) concept.

Again you are a liar, i am me and she is she two totally different entities, Yaaaaaaawn.

You are being educated and are still being so,as such my bill is still in the mail.

You never had any credibility to lose and there was no altering and in saying so you are again proven to be what you are, a Liar.!!!!!!!

True. But there's no point in arguing with this "Larry Tate"/"Monliz" person. There was a time when I could believe some of what "Larry Tate" wrote here, and even take some of the scholarly comments seriously, but once we started dealing with altered audio clips and quotes, it ruined his credibility.

True. But there's no point in arguing with this "Larry Tate"/"Monliz" person. There was a time when I could believe some of what "Larry Tate" wrote here, and even take some of the scholarly comments seriously, but once we started dealing with altered audio clips and quotes, it ruined his credibility.

Says the guy who likes to put words in Elizabeth's mouth that she never really said :lol:

Sol Saks discusses the show at length in his book. No matter how it all shook down, it's cool to have the full script to read, so I recommend the book.