We know some details about the Lost Girls' home lives, some more than others. Does anyone else find it fascinating to think about what their home lives were like away from Eastland?

Take my Cindy, for instance. Cindy, whose last name "Webster" is never even uttered in any episode. We know that her parents divorced, and her father married someone young enough to be his daughter. Now, if Sue Ann's mother is 41, we could assume most of the girls' parents are around 40. So if Cindy's father was around 40 in 1980, and he married a girl young enough to be his daughter, that means he could have married a girl around 20, just 6 or 7 years older than Cindy! :eek: Apparently he also married a woman roughly the size of his daughter, since Cindy infers she can wear her new stepmom's clothes.

Also, I wonder what happened with Cindy and her mother. Interestingly, in "Rough Housing", we find out that her father was the to explain the facts of life (ha) to her, talking to her about the birds and the bees ("Well, my mom had my dad explain it to me."). This has never been brought up here before, but I find Cindy's dad's awkward birds and bees talk hilarious: "He told me that sex was like a big garden, and each person's like a flower. And when you love someone, you have to put fertilizer on them!" :rofl: I also love Cindy's incredulous expression and emphasis on that last phrase! :lol:

That's fascinating to me that a mother would have her husband have the sex talk with his daughter instead of having a "woman-to-woman" (or, "girl") talk with her herself. I wonder why the former Mrs. Webster "had" her husband explain the birds and bees to her daughter? Was she extremely shy of the subject? Was she overwhelmed with being busy in her life? Was she not very good with parenting? And did she realize what a terrible mistake that was with his bad allegory? lol

We know some details about the Lost Girls' home lives, some more than others. Does anyone else find it fascinating to think about what their home lives were like away from Eastland?

Take my Cindy, for instance. Cindy, whose last name "Webster" is never even uttered in any episode. We know that her parents divorced, and her father married someone young enough to be his daughter. Now, if Sue Ann's mother is 41, we could assume most of the girls' parents are around 40. So if Cindy's father was around 40 in 1980, and he married a girl young enough to be his daughter, that means he could have married a girl around 20, just 6 or 7 years older than Cindy! :eek: Apparently he also married a woman roughly the size of his daughter, since Cindy infers she can wear her new stepmom's clothes.

Also, I wonder what happened with Cindy and her mother. Interestingly, in "Rough Housing", we find out that her father was the to explain the facts of life (ha) to her, talking to her about the birds and the bees ("Well, my mom had my dad explain it to me."). This has never been brought up here before, but I find Cindy's dad's awkward birds and bees talk hilarious: "He told me that sex was like a big garden, and each person's like a flower. And when you love someone, you have to put fertilizer on them!" :rofl: I also love Cindy's incredulous expression and emphasis on that last phrase! :lol:

That's fascinating to me that a mother would have her husband have the sex talk with his daughter instead of having a "woman-to-woman" (or, "girl") talk with her herself. I wonder why the former Mrs. Webster "had" her husband explain the birds and bees to her daughter? Was she extremely shy of the subject? Was she overwhelmed with being busy in her life? Was she not very good with parenting? And did she realize what a terrible mistake that was with his bad allegory? lol

We never saw or met either Cindy's or Sue Ann's parents in the series. Cindy's family background was the most mysterious.

We never saw or met either Cindy's or Sue Ann's parents in the series. Cindy's family background was the most mysterious.

I dunno, there's always our favorite wallpaper, Nancy. I think all we know about her family is they don't have a lot of $, and that she possibly has at least one brother (or more than one, but I think she was lying to Mr. Bradley just to get poker dough :lol:).

I dunno, there's always our favorite wallpaper, Nancy. I think all we know about her family is they don't have a lot of $, and that she possibly has at least one brother (or more than one, but I think she was lying to Mr. Bradley just to get poker dough :lol:).

Forgot about Nancy O.

Forgot about Nancy O.

That's why she's wallpaper! :lol:

We know some details about the Lost Girls' home lives, some more than others. Does anyone else find it fascinating to think about what their home lives were like away from Eastland?

Take my Cindy, for instance. Cindy, whose last name "Webster" is never even uttered in any episode. We know that her parents divorced, and her father married someone young enough to be his daughter. Now, if Sue Ann's mother is 41, we could assume most of the girls' parents are around 40. So if Cindy's father was around 40 in 1980, and he married a girl young enough to be his daughter, that means he could have married a girl around 20, just 6 or 7 years older than Cindy! :eek: Apparently he also married a woman roughly the size of his daughter, since Cindy infers she can wear her new stepmom's clothes.

Also, I wonder what happened with Cindy and her mother. Interestingly, in "Rough Housing", we find out that her father was the to explain the facts of life (ha) to her, talking to her about the birds and the bees ("Well, my mom had my dad explain it to me."). This has never been brought up here before, but I find Cindy's dad's awkward birds and bees talk hilarious: "He told me that sex was like a big garden, and each person's like a flower. And when you love someone, you have to put fertilizer on them!" :rofl: I also love Cindy's incredulous expression and emphasis on that last phrase! :lol:

That's fascinating to me that a mother would have her husband have the sex talk with his daughter instead of having a "woman-to-woman" (or, "girl") talk with her herself. I wonder why the former Mrs. Webster "had" her husband explain the birds and bees to her daughter? Was she extremely shy of the subject? Was she overwhelmed with being busy in her life? Was she not very good with parenting? And did she realize what a terrible mistake that was with his bad allegory? lol

What a GREAT breakdown of everything we know about Cindy's family! Well done, '80s!

(I look forward to future breakdowns of other Lost Girls' family lives, which I know are coming).

I have long suspected that Cindy's family lived too far away for them to visit frequently, which would explain why we never saw them visit. While Molly, Natalie, Jo, and Blair's parents lived in NYC, it seems Cindy didn't have relatives nearby, to come visit her. However, I realize this is a bit more speculative than anything you've mentioned, so it could certainly be debated.

Cindy makes a comment about "making someone a great brother", which to me always seemed to mean she didn't have siblings: why else would she not mention a sibling, and instead say "someone"? But that's my interpretation.

I really wish we'd gotten to know Cindy more. There were many interesting facets of her character left to explore, including her home life, but unfortunately, we never got to see them.

What a GREAT breakdown of everything we know about Cindy's family! Well done, '80s!

Thanks, I had to use my best girl for a first example! lol


I have long suspected that Cindy's family lived too far away for them to visit frequently, which would explain why we never saw them visit. While Molly, Natalie, Jo, and Blair's parents lived in NYC, it seems Cindy didn't have relatives nearby, to come visit her. However, I realize this is a bit more speculative than anything you've mentioned, so it could certainly be debated.

Good point, I kinda got that feeling too. Maybe they live in, oh, say, Jersey?


Cindy makes a comment about "making someone a great brother", which to me always seemed to mean she didn't have siblings: why else would she not mention a sibling, and instead say "someone"? But that's my interpretation.

Mine too! You're right it could be up for debate, but I too interpret her there as to being an only child. And maybe that's why Cindy's so affectionate with her friends? Maybe being an only child (if you want to believe she is one) left her starved for comradeship and peers where she grew up. So when she came to Eastland, she was overwhelmed to suddenly have all these "sisters" to share a house with. :) (even if one of those sisters was wicked :lol:)

Retro, I'm surprised you haven't commented on Cindy's mother having her husband explain sex to their daughter. That seems odd in 2020, much less in 1979! lol :eek:

And with the phrase "put fertilizer on them", it even sounds risque! :o (at least to me, lol)

Good point, I kinda got that feeling too. Maybe they live in, oh, say, Jersey?

Possibly. Maybe her ball caps can help clue us in. I seem to recall her wearing ball caps from several different teams. Who has screenshots of Cindy's hats?


Mine too! You're right it could be up for debate, but I too interpret her there as to being an only child. And maybe that's why Cindy's so affectionate with her friends? Maybe being an only child (if you want to believe she is one) left her starved for comradeship and peers where she grew up. So when she came to Eastland, she was overwhelmed to suddenly have all these "sisters" to share a house with. :) (even if one of those sisters was wicked :lol:)

:lol: She did seem to be a bit overwhelmed, or maybe socially awkward, in RH. I could definitely see what you're saying.


Retro, I'm surprised you haven't commented on Cindy's mother having her husband explain sex to their daughter. That seems odd in 2020, much less in 1979! lol :eek:

I agree it's odd; maybe Cindy's mother lived out of the country? Maybe Cindy's father had sole custody?


And with the phrase "put fertilizer on them", it even sounds risque! :o (at least to me, lol)

:lol: That's nothing compared to today's television... :eek:

(I look forward to future breakdowns of other Lost Girls' family lives, which I know are coming).

Molly heard you and she demanded she be next! :lol:

Well, of all the Lost Girls---indeed, of all the girls in season 1 period---it can perhaps be said we know of Molly's home life the most, at least as far as familial interaction. This is because not only does her sole starring episode feature a parent of hers, it also features said parent's new romantic interest, who could for all we know have become Molly's stepmother in season 2. So we get to meet a relative of hers and a potential future relative.

So we know Molly is the daughter of an orthodontist, though we don't know anything of her mother's profession. Seeing what a staunch activist and feminist Molly is, could Molly's mother have been at the forefront of the '70s women's movement? Was she too aggressive or political which eventually caused the problems in her marriage? Or perhaps she was very mousy and non-involved in life, which spurred Molly on to prove she could do and be anything and deserved respect as a woman? Though "Judy Parker" in the original script for MH certainly seemed to be enough of her own person, but not overbearing. We do learn that she does her own share of fighting and silent "smile-fighting" with Jeff. We also learn, in a rather telling line, that she and Angela are "friends---well, almost." Jeff is quick to add that caveat at the end, lol. This tells me the 2 ladies can be and are civil to one another in each other's company, but that's pretty much it. Of course, part of the fun of that line is it's open to viewer interpretation.

We also know Molly chews on pencils when she's upset, so we can only imagine the number of No. 2s she gnawed away when living at home with fighting parents! She probably chewed more wood than a beaver! :lol: (a trait that is too bad wasn't showcased in "Molly's Holiday", but I believe that episode was taped before "Running", with the pencil revelation, was)

Of course, we learn generously of Molly's father since he's a supporting player in her episode. We see what a nice man and loving father he is, although we know he does his own share of fighting and passive-aggressive "smile-fighting". We also know he drives a Dodge Dart and dresses "like a dentist" lol.

Now, interestingly, we learn a very big aspect of Molly's home life not on "The Facts of Life", but on its parent show "Diff'rent Strokes"---Molly has a brother!! I believe they say he's her little brother, but I may be just assuming that. Anyway, if you want to count DS as being "canon" with the Eastland universe, Molly is a sister, not an only child. Yet "Molly's Holiday" certainly has that "only child" feel to it, and any "brother" is never mentioned or even alluded to at all.

If you do consider him canon, perhaps her brother got a lot of attention in the family---maybe he was a natural athlete or math genius or something---and that could have spurred Molly's equality/respect activism.

It's also interesting in that DS episode to realize that Molly Lives somewhere very near the Drummonds' building in that Park Avenue area; in about half an episode's time or so the girls have enough time to go to Molly's house and return again! (must have been light traffic that day, lol) Living so very close to Kimberly, I wonder if they visited each other's homes much?

This DS episode also re-addresses a characteristic of Cindy---her insecurity. Of all the girls at the slumber party, we're told it's Cindy who was "afraid" that all the girls would catch whatever her brother had ("only-exists-in-1-episode-off-screen-itis"? lol). Here we have Cindy who puts on a tough front in RH only to show how vulnerable she really is, and we proudly see her grow in her personal confidence during her first year at Eastland, only to be reminded here she can still be prone to anxiety and insecurity. This could have opened SO many story line possibilities in future seasons at Eastland for Cindy in her athletics, and her self-esteem, her familial and romantic relationships, and maybe even certain schoolwork.

I would think they'd make Natalie the one afraid of catching what Molly's brother had, as Nat, young as she was, was sometimes the concerned type taking the "mom role" in similar instances.

If it weren't for "Molly's Holiday" and this 1 line on DS, we'd know hardly anything at all about the Parker household!

Molly heard you and she demanded she be next! :lol:

Well, of all the Lost Girls---indeed, of all the girls in season 1 period---it can perhaps be said we know of Molly's home life the most, at least as far as familial interaction. This is because not only does her sole starring episode feature a parent of hers, it also features said parent's new romantic interest, who could for all we know have become Molly's stepmother in season 2. So we get to meet a relative of hers and a potential future relative.

So we know Molly is the daughter of an orthodontist, though we don't know anything of her mother's profession. Seeing what a staunch activist and feminist Molly is, could Molly's mother have been at the forefront of the '70s women's movement? Was she too aggressive or political which eventually caused the problems in her marriage? Or perhaps she was very mousy and non-involved in life, which spurred Molly on to prove she could do and be anything and deserved respect as a woman? Though "Judy Parker" in the original script for MH certainly seemed to be enough of her own person, but not overbearing. We do learn that she does her own share of fighting and silent "smile-fighting" with Jeff. We also learn, in a rather telling line, that she and Angela are "friends---well, almost." Jeff is quick to add that caveat at the end, lol. This tells me the 2 ladies can be and are civil to one another in each other's company, but that's pretty much it. Of course, part of the fun of that line is it's open to viewer interpretation.

We also know Molly chews on pencils when she's upset, so we can only imagine the number of No. 2s she gnawed away when living at home with fighting parents! She probably chewed more wood than a beaver! :lol: (a trait that is too bad wasn't showcased in "Molly's Holiday", but I believe that episode was taped before "Running", with the pencil revelation, was)

Of course, we learn generously of Molly's father since he's a supporting player in her episode. We see what a nice man and loving father he is, although we know he does his own share of fighting and passive-aggressive "smile-fighting". We also know he drives a Dodge Dart and dresses "like a dentist" lol.

Now, interestingly, we learn a very big aspect of Molly's home life not on "The Facts of Life", but on its parent show "Diff'rent Strokes"---Molly has a brother!! I believe they say he's her little brother, but I may be just assuming that. Anyway, if you want to count DS as being "canon" with the Eastland universe, Molly is a sister, not an only child. Yet "Molly's Holiday" certainly has that "only child" feel to it, and any "brother" is never mentioned or even alluded to at all.

If you do consider him canon, perhaps her brother got a lot of attention in the family---maybe he was a natural athlete or math genius or something---and that could have spurred Molly's equality/respect activism.

It's also interesting in that DS episode to realize that Molly Lives somewhere very near the Drummonds' building in that Park Avenue area; in about half an episode's time or so the girls have enough time to go to Molly's house and return again! (must have been light traffic that day, lol) Living so very close to Kimberly, I wonder if they visited each other's homes much?

This DS episode also re-addresses a characteristic of Cindy---her insecurity. Of all the girls at the slumber party, we're told it's Cindy who was "afraid" that all the girls would catch whatever her brother had ("only-exists-in-1-episode-off-screen-itis"? lol). Here we have Cindy who puts on a tough front in RH only to show how vulnerable she really is, and we proudly see her grow in her personal confidence during her first year at Eastland, only to be reminded here she can still be prone to anxiety and insecurity. This could have opened SO many story line possibilities in future seasons at Eastland for Cindy in her athletics, and her self-esteem, her familial and romantic relationships, and maybe even certain schoolwork.

I would think they'd make Natalie the one afraid of catching what Molly's brother had, as Nat, young as she was, was sometimes the concerned type taking the "mom role" in similar instances.

If it weren't for "Molly's Holiday" and this 1 line on DS, we'd know hardly anything at all about the Parker household!

I was wondering if Molly chewed away all the available pencils on the New Girl Part 2. They should have ran and gotten her a pencil because at the rate she was going at biting her lips, she wouldn't have much lips left.

Molly heard you and she demanded she be next! :lol:

Well, of all the Lost Girls---indeed, of all the girls in season 1 period---it can perhaps be said we know of Molly's home life the most, at least as far as familial interaction. This is because not only does her sole starring episode feature a parent of hers, it also features said parent's new romantic interest, who could for all we know have become Molly's stepmother in season 2. So we get to meet a relative of hers and a potential future relative.

So we know Molly is the daughter of an orthodontist, though we don't know anything of her mother's profession. Seeing what a staunch activist and feminist Molly is, could Molly's mother have been at the forefront of the '70s women's movement? Was she too aggressive or political which eventually caused the problems in her marriage? Or perhaps she was very mousy and non-involved in life, which spurred Molly on to prove she could do and be anything and deserved respect as a woman? Though "Judy Parker" in the original script for MH certainly seemed to be enough of her own person, but not overbearing. We do learn that she does her own share of fighting and silent "smile-fighting" with Jeff. We also learn, in a rather telling line, that she and Angela are "friends---well, almost." Jeff is quick to add that caveat at the end, lol. This tells me the 2 ladies can be and are civil to one another in each other's company, but that's pretty much it. Of course, part of the fun of that line is it's open to viewer interpretation.

We also know Molly chews on pencils when she's upset, so we can only imagine the number of No. 2s she gnawed away when living at home with fighting parents! She probably chewed more wood than a beaver! :lol: (a trait that is too bad wasn't showcased in "Molly's Holiday", but I believe that episode was taped before "Running", with the pencil revelation, was)

Of course, we learn generously of Molly's father since he's a supporting player in her episode. We see what a nice man and loving father he is, although we know he does his own share of fighting and passive-aggressive "smile-fighting". We also know he drives a Dodge Dart and dresses "like a dentist" lol.

Now, interestingly, we learn a very big aspect of Molly's home life not on "The Facts of Life", but on its parent show "Diff'rent Strokes"---Molly has a brother!! I believe they say he's her little brother, but I may be just assuming that. Anyway, if you want to count DS as being "canon" with the Eastland universe, Molly is a sister, not an only child. Yet "Molly's Holiday" certainly has that "only child" feel to it, and any "brother" is never mentioned or even alluded to at all.

If you do consider him canon, perhaps her brother got a lot of attention in the family---maybe he was a natural athlete or math genius or something---and that could have spurred Molly's equality/respect activism.

It's also interesting in that DS episode to realize that Molly Lives somewhere very near the Drummonds' building in that Park Avenue area; in about half an episode's time or so the girls have enough time to go to Molly's house and return again! (must have been light traffic that day, lol) Living so very close to Kimberly, I wonder if they visited each other's homes much?

This DS episode also re-addresses a characteristic of Cindy---her insecurity. Of all the girls at the slumber party, we're told it's Cindy who was "afraid" that all the girls would catch whatever her brother had ("only-exists-in-1-episode-off-screen-itis"? lol). Here we have Cindy who puts on a tough front in RH only to show how vulnerable she really is, and we proudly see her grow in her personal confidence during her first year at Eastland, only to be reminded here she can still be prone to anxiety and insecurity. This could have opened SO many story line possibilities in future seasons at Eastland for Cindy in her athletics, and her self-esteem, her familial and romantic relationships, and maybe even certain schoolwork.

I would think they'd make Natalie the one afraid of catching what Molly's brother had, as Nat, young as she was, was sometimes the concerned type taking the "mom role" in similar instances.

If it weren't for "Molly's Holiday" and this 1 line on DS, we'd know hardly anything at all about the Parker household!

Another fine analysis of a Lost Girl's home life, '80s!

You were very thorough, and I can only add a few things. It seems as though Molly was closer to her mom than her dad, in later years, judging by what The Girls said about her in "The Little Chill": it was her mom who was answering questions on the phone.

I have definitely always considered Lost Girls lore on DS to be canon on FOL. The only time I wouldn't is if it were flatly contradicted by something stated on FOL. Thus I consider Mr. Crocker just as canon as Mr. Bradley.

Thanks!

It seems as though Molly was closer to her mom than her dad, in later years, judging by what The Girls said about her in "The Little Chill": it was her mom who was answering questions on the phone.

Hmm, well, I like to think she's close to both. My fan-thinking here is that when her parents divorced, Mr. Parker moved out to co-habitate with Angela, and Mrs. Parker "got the house", so Molly stayed living where "home" had been for her all her life. Again, this is one of the many things about FOL that can be left up to fan interpretation.


I have definitely always considered Lost Girls lore on DS to be canon on FOL. The only time I wouldn't is if it were flatly contradicted by something stated on FOL. Thus I consider Mr. Crocker just as canon as Mr. Bradley.

I too consider Mr. Crocker canon. Molly's brother though, is a tougher choice for me. I would have expected one mention of him in passing in "Molly's Holiday" since it's the breakup of the family---BUT, we don't know when those two scripts were written, therefore Molly's brother could have been penned into "The Slumber Party" after MH had already been written.

Nancy...Nancy, Nancy, Nancy...

Oh Nancy O., your home life is such a mystery to fans.

If you count "The Girls' School" as canon (which I believe most season 1 fans do), we can assume that Nancy came from probably an upper middle class family, for when her father Mr. Olson loses his job, the family can't afford to keep her at Eastland, poor dear. Luckily, Mrs. Garrett manipulates the men involved and engineers a scholarship for Nancy "in dramatic arts" to keep her at school with her friends (oh yeah, and with her studies too, lol).

We assume that Nancy's father found work again, though we're never told any more on that. We do however know for a fact that Nancy's father is strictly against his 15-year-old daughter having sex. :lol:

Nancy may also have siblings, though this isn't entirely clear. In "The Return of Mr. Garrett" her excuse for draining more money out of her school bank account is that she has to buy her brother a birthday present. When Mr. Bradley questions her about her having already bought presents for a brother and a sister, Nancy claims that "This is for another brother."

Does Nancy have two brothers? Does Nancy have one brother? Does Nancy have a sister? Does Nancy have any siblings? You would think with as much as Mr. Bradley is around that hey may have an insight into the home lives of the girls, so maybe there's a soft of confirmation when he says "You sent your brother a gift yesterday, Nancy. And your sister the day before." Or, maybe he has no clue about her home life and just believed her those last two days. After all, he'd never seen Blair's mother before "Like Mother, Like Daughter". It seems it's all up to individual viewer interpretation to decide what siblings Nancy has, if any at all.

I believe that's about all we know or can glean of Nancy's home life. One other thought though: We know Nancy can have self-esteem issues, like when she's excluded from "The Group", but apparently she has a pretty healthy body image of herself. This can be seen when she's confident about being in a pair of extremely tight jeans for Roger, and when she holds up the "Switched-On Sizzlers" up to her, she brims with confidence as she says, "I could make history in this baby!" So she possibly had a home life where her parents reinforced a positive self-image.

After all, it takes a confident person to shove ice down blouses and threaten people with globe-swallowing. :lol:

Nancy...Nancy, Nancy, Nancy...

Oh Nancy O., your home life is such a mystery to fans.

If you count "The Girls' School" as canon (which I believe most season 1 fans do), we can assume that Nancy came from probably an upper middle class family, for when her father Mr. Olson loses his job, the family can't afford to keep her at Eastland, poor dear. Luckily, Mrs. Garrett manipulates the men involved and engineers a scholarship for Nancy "in dramatic arts" to keep her at school with her friends (oh yeah, and with her studies too, lol).

We assume that Nancy's father found work again, though we're never told any more on that. We do however know for a fact that Nancy's father is strictly against his 15-year-old daughter having sex. :lol:

Nancy may also have siblings, though this isn't entirely clear. In "The Return of Mr. Garrett" her excuse for draining more money out of her school bank account is that she has to buy her brother a birthday present. When Mr. Bradley questions her about her having already bought presents for a brother and a sister, Nancy claims that "This is for another brother."

Does Nancy have two brothers? Does Nancy have one brother? Does Nancy have a sister? Does Nancy have any siblings? You would think with as much as Mr. Bradley is around that hey may have an insight into the home lives of the girls, so maybe there's a soft of confirmation when he says "You sent your brother a gift yesterday, Nancy. And your sister the day before." Or, maybe he has no clue about her home life and just believed her those last two days. After all, he'd never seen Blair's mother before "Like Mother, Like Daughter". It seems it's all up to individual viewer interpretation to decide what siblings Nancy has, if any at all.

I believe that's about all we know or can glean of Nancy's home life. One other thought though: We know Nancy can have self-esteem issues, like when she's excluded from "The Group", but apparently she has a pretty healthy body image of herself. This can be seen when she's confident about being in a pair of extremely tight jeans for Roger, and when she holds up the "Switched-On Sizzlers" up to her, she brims with confidence as she says, "I could make history in this baby!" So she possibly had a home life where her parents reinforced a positive self-image.

After all, it takes a confident person to shove ice down blouses and threaten people with globe-swallowing. :lol:

Another great analysis, '80s, and I wondered if you were ever going to do it. But you did indeed, and it was worth the wait.

Like you, I'm not sure what we can glean from Nancy's mentions of brothers and sisters: it's clear she and the other girls aren't being honest, so we can't consider those siblings canon, until we get more info.

The only other clue we have is her family tree in "Adoption", which seems to indicate she's an only child.

I noticed with Tootie's family that her mother does look like her mother in later seasons, but her father's picture looks nothing like the actor that played her father a few episodes earlier. I wonder if the guy in that picture was Kim Field's real life father.

Another great analysis, '80s, and I wondered if you were ever going to do it. But you did indeed, and it was worth the wait.

I'm glad it was, particularly for "the wallpaper"! lol :wave:


The only other clue we have is her family tree in "Adoption", which seems to indicate she's an only child.

Oh? How so? (been a while since I've seen it)

I noticed with Tootie's family that her mother does look like her mother in later seasons, but her father's picture looks nothing like the actor that played her father a few episodes earlier. I wonder if the guy in that picture was Kim Field's real life father.

Wow, good catch, 80s Dude! 🔎

Oh? How so? (been a while since I've seen it)

Well... it doesn't show any siblings. Nancy's is the only picture on the top row.

Well... it doesn't show any siblings. Nancy's is the only picture on the top row.

Ahh, examining her family tree...nice!

Did any of the girls have pictures with siblings. I know Tootie didn't and Molly traveled in a time machine and back to get a photo of her from the episode of Molly's Holiday, which wasn't shown until two weeks later.

It sounds like Ciindy was raised by a single father. Perhaps her mother is not in the picture much.

Did any of the girls have pictures with siblings. I know Tootie didn't and Molly traveled in a time machine and back to get a photo of her from the episode of Molly's Holiday, which wasn't shown until two weeks later.

:lol:

We do know that Tootie has two brothers though, according to season 2's "Who Am I?".



It sounds like Ciindy was raised by a single father. Perhaps her mother is not in the picture much.

There are good indications of that, if that's what you choose to believe. Another one of those "can go in many directions" kind of FOL things.

How come i'm the only one who didn't see any pictures from the family tree in the episode 'Adoption?' (do you guys have BIONIC eyes or am i just blind????)

lol, don't worry valentina, I haven't studied them either!

How come i'm the only one who didn't see any pictures from the family tree in the episode 'Adoption?' (do you guys have BIONIC eyes or am i just blind????)

We can clearly see Nancy's photos in the scene, right before Cindy says "Adopted?!", her only line in the first scene.

We can clearly see Nancy's photos in the scene, right before Cindy says "Adopted?!", her only line in the first scene.

Look! Nancy has "Nancestors"! :lol:

:lol:

If you look at Molly's family ancestry, you can clearly see it's a black and white version of this photo from Molly's Holiday which was broadcast two weeks later. Molly must be a time traveler.
https://cdnmetv.metv.com/VROM7-1548947754-2362-blog-molly%20ringwald.jpg

Look! Nancy has "Nancestors"! :lol:




That's because she's not ALL AMERI CAN!!!!!!:brent:brent:brent

We can clearly see Nancy's photos in the scene, right before Cindy says "Adopted?!", her only line in the first scene.



Thank you for the photo as prove of evidence, Retro: now i can see the family trees (at least NANCY's one is quite clear since she's right at the center!)
:cheers::cheers::cheers:

If you look at Molly's family ancestry, you can clearly see it's a black and white version of this photo from Molly's Holiday which was broadcast two weeks later. Molly must be a time traveler.
https://cdnmetv.metv.com/VROM7-1548947754-2362-blog-molly%20ringwald.jpg




That's a great photo of MOLLY: she looks very pretty there!!!:yourock::yourock::yourock:

I wonder if they asked the young actresses to design their own projects for the Adoption episode? They could use this for the education credit hours of the school some of them attended and child actors can have short attention spans, so they give them a project for the episode to keep their minds into it.

That's a great photo of MOLLY: she looks very pretty there!!!:yourock::yourock::yourock:

Season 1 Molly definitely looked like a happy child and she enjoyed being there.

Wow thanks for those stills Retro! Anyone able to find where Cindy is in her tree? We need stills of the rest of the projects

I wonder if they asked the young actresses to design their own projects for the Adoption episode?

I wondered that, myself. They're all unique, displaying the data in different ways, showing variation like you'd expect in a class of students. Somebody go ask Julie, Julie, or Felice on Twitter/Insta! :lol:


They could use this for the education credit hours of the school some of them attended and child actors can have short attention spans, so they give them a project for the episode to keep their minds into it.

Maybe the prop master did it, or maybe he put seven girls to work.

*checks IMDB* Looks like Phil Krim was the first regularly-credited prop master, but he only worked on episodes post-Cast Purge. Hmmm....

Wow thanks for those stills Retro! Anyone able to find where Cindy is in her tree? We need stills of the rest of the projects

Cindy's photo is at the bottom; Nancy's is at the top.

Oh come on, Retro, Lorsie..."nancestors"?? That was Lost Girl gold! :lol:

Oh come on, Retro, Lorsie..."nancestors"?? That was Lost Girl gold! :lol:
I responded! :eek:

Thank you for the photo as prove of evidence, Retro: now i can see the family trees (at least NANCY's one is quite clear since she's right at the center!)
:cheers::cheers::cheers:
No problem, Valentina!

I responded! :eek:

Oh! You did! :o

As the kids have said ever since the '90s, "My bad!" :blush:

Sorry, 80s Dude's Molly pic was so BIG I missed it! :lol:

And that plain blue background on Nancy's project would make good---WALLPAPER!! 😆

Watching the Adoption episode right now, I see the picture of Natalie/Mindy was one that was not used for an public relations from NBC or a prior episode from the show. She looks a little younger in that. Perhaps it was one of Mindy's past Westlake photos.

Oh come on, Retro, Lorsie..."nancestors"?? That was Lost Girl gold! :lol:

Sorry pawdaddy :grr:

Oh! You did! :o

As the kids have said ever since the '90s, "My bad!" :blush:

Sorry, 80s Dude's Molly pic was so BIG I missed it! :lol:

And that plain blue background on Nancy's project would make good---WALLPAPER!! 😆
:lol::lol:

Watching the Adoption episode right now, I see the picture of Natalie/Mindy was one that was not used for an public relations from NBC or a prior episode from the show. She looks a little younger in that. Perhaps it was one of Mindy's past Westlake photos.

Good eye, spotting the Molly photo.

Yeah, Mindy looks so chunky in that photo I really wonder why they used it.

Sorry pawdaddy :grr:

Hahaha, you were too distracted by the cricket! ;)

Hahaha, you were too distracted by the cricket! ;)

"I caught the cricket" :lol:

"Feed it to the dog"

"Feed it to the dog"

:eek: Dreyfus NOOOOO!!!!!

Sue Ann hails from Kansas City, Kansas 🌽 (in case you didn't know, lol). She loves her hometown and her family, and she isn't afraid to share that with her friends, even going so far as to admit to her "frienemy" Blair that she loves "the smell of the wheat" back home, fishing with her dad at Miller's Pond, and having her mom's pancakes for breakfast. It these down-home memories that make her say she "can't wait" to get back home to Kansas City for spring break.

She comes from a loving family where her parents apparently have a wonderful marriage. We're not told what her folks do for a living, but we know they're not wealthy since Sue Ann is at Eastland on scholarship, and I believe many of us think it's safe to assume that her father is in a rural profession. We do know that Sue Ann's dad likes to go fishing with his daughter at Miller's Pond 🎣, and that her mom apparently makes great pancakes. 🥞 Considering all this, it's easy to picture her parents as naturally rural folk, along with the fact they named their baby "Sue Ann".

We don't know how heavily Sue Ann's parents impart their beliefs on their daughter. When Sue Ann says "nice people staying together is the American way" and Blair mocks her by saying, "Who taught you that? Your mommy and daddy??" (in baby talk), Sue Ann responds with, "That's right, Blair. It's 11:00. Do you know where your mother is?" (bolded emphasis mine) So it's possible Sue Ann's parents have taught her that divorce is wrong, and it's good midwestern values to stay married when you're married. Or, she could have just been frustrated with Blair at making fun of her, and said it just as a lead-in to her big insult she had just cooked up. It's left ambiguous. But it does seem that Sue Ann's conservative values stem from her home environment.

We can also infer that Sue Ann's parents are very much in love and very demonstrative of their love, as Sue Ann says with complete confidence, "My parents would never think of getting divorced!"

Sue Ann's mom is 41 in early 1980, which means Mama Weaver gave birth to Sue Ann when she was approximately 26 years old, since Sue Ann is 15 in season 1. Mama Weaver is the only parent on the show whose age is explicitly told to us, I believe. There are no mentions of any Weaver siblings, so I think most of us assume Sue Ann is an only child.

We even get a little bit of a picture about the people in Sue Ann's direct community back in Kansas City, something we don't get from any of the other girls until Jo comes along. We get the feeling the people around Sue Ann back at home in her community are not very slim, as she claims her figure is "okay for Kansas City" but it's not "okay" for New York (implying she was "okay enough" with her weight herself overall until the whole Scott Dunbar thing came along). And we know her family survived a flood there when 38 people were lost. :eek: That's a line from "Flash Flood" you hear, but you don't really consider the heaviness of it because it's immediately followed with a joke.

And Sue Ann is also apparently an animal lover, as she has a dog, Tiger, back at home, although admittedly, in a weak moment of peer pressure she is ready to sacrifice losing her dog before losing her mother, which it may be hard to fault her for, lol. It's because of her dog being named "Tiger" that I like to think the stuffed animal in the girls' room affectionately known by some of us as "Señor Tiger" (because he has a sombrero on his head--particularly in seasons 2, 3, 4, when he crosses over into the core four's room over the kitchen) is Sue Ann's stuffed animal, and she brought him to Eastland with her.

She wasnt ready to sacrifice Tiger Eightsy!:nonono::nonono::nonono:

She crossed her fingers thus making any swears NULL AND VOID!!! :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

She wasnt ready to sacrifice Tiger Eightsy!

She crossed her fingers thus making any swears NULL AND VOID!!!

Haha, true, but she does agree to it before crossing her fingers, lol.

Oh, that lying Sue Ann! ;)

Haha, true, but she does agree to it before crossing her fingers, lol.

Oh, that lying Sue Ann! ;)

Yes lying by SAVING Tigers life! Good girl Sue Ann!

:lol:

Sue Ann hails from Kansas City, Kansas 🌽 (in case you didn't know, lol). She loves her hometown and her family, and she isn't afraid to share that with her friends, even going so far as to admit to her "frienemy" Blair that she loves "the smell of the wheat" back home, fishing with her dad at Miller's Pond, and having her mom's pancakes for breakfast. It these down-home memories that make her say she "can't wait" to get back home to Kansas City for spring break.

She comes from a loving family where her parents apparently have a wonderful marriage. We're not told what her folks do for a living, but we know they're not wealthy since Sue Ann is at Eastland on scholarship, and I believe many of us think it's safe to assume that her father is in a rural profession. We do know that Sue Ann's dad likes to go fishing with his daughter at Miller's Pond 🎣, and that her mom apparently makes great pancakes. 🥞 Considering all this, it's easy to picture her parents as naturally rural folk, along with the fact they named their baby "Sue Ann".

We don't know how heavily Sue Ann's parents impart their beliefs on their daughter. When Sue Ann says "nice people staying together is the American way" and Blair mocks her by saying, "Who taught you that? Your mommy and daddy??" (in baby talk), Sue Ann responds with, "That's right, Blair. It's 11:00. Do you know where your mother is?" (bolded emphasis mine) So it's possible Sue Ann's parents have taught her that divorce is wrong, and it's good midwestern values to stay married when you're married. Or, she could have just been frustrated with Blair at making fun of her, and said it just as a lead-in to her big insult she had just cooked up. It's left ambiguous. But it does seem that Sue Ann's conservative values stem from her home environment.

We can also infer that Sue Ann's parents are very much in love and very demonstrative of their love, as Sue Ann says with complete confidence, "My parents would never think of getting divorced!"

Sue Ann's mom is 41 in early 1980, which means Mama Weaver gave birth to Sue Ann when she was approximately 26 years old, since Sue Ann is 15 in season 1. Mama Weaver is the only parent on the show whose age is explicitly told to us, I believe. There are no mentions of any Weaver siblings, so I think most of us assume Sue Ann is an only child.

We even get a little bit of a picture about the people in Sue Ann's direct community back in Kansas City, something we don't get from any of the other girls until Jo comes along. We get the feeling the people around Sue Ann back at home in her community are not very slim, as she claims her figure is "okay for Kansas City" but it's not "okay" for New York (implying she was "okay enough" with her weight herself overall until the whole Scott Dunbar thing came along). And we know her family survived a flood there when 38 people were lost. :eek: That's a line from "Flash Flood" you hear, but you don't really consider the heaviness of it because it's immediately followed with a joke.

And Sue Ann is also apparently an animal lover, as she has a dog, Tiger, back at home, although admittedly, in a weak moment of peer pressure she is ready to sacrifice losing her dog before losing her mother, which it may be hard to fault her for, lol. It's because of her dog being named "Tiger" that I like to think the stuffed animal in the girls' room affectionately known by some of us as "Señor Tiger" (because he has a sombrero on his head--particularly in seasons 2, 3, 4, when he crosses over into the core four's room over the kitchen) is Sue Ann's stuffed animal, and she brought him to Eastland with her.

'80s, what a GREAT analysis of Sue Ann's home life!

The only thing I'd add is that Sue Ann seems to come from a family with a modest background, considering she's a scholarship student.

Maybe Sue Ann's father is a farmer or something. My guess is Sue Ann's mom is a housewife

Maybe Sue Ann's father is a farmer or something. My guess is Sue Ann's mom is a housewife

I think you are right on both counts. There's no way they're corporate lawyers or anything similar.

'80s, what a GREAT analysis of Sue Ann's home life!

The only thing I'd add is that Sue Ann seems to come from a family with a modest background, considering she's a scholarship student.

Maybe Sue Ann's father is a farmer or something. My guess is Sue Ann's mom is a housewife

Thanks Retro, but psst, I mentioned that in paragraph 2. ;)

"We're not told what her folks do for a living, but we know they're not wealthy since Sue Ann is at Eastland on scholarship, and I believe many of us think it's safe to assume that her father is in a rural profession."

I do think of Mr. Weaver as a farmer, myself. And yeah, it's easy to picture Mrs. Weaver being a farmer's wife at home tending to the homestead. (sorry Mols! :lol:)

Thanks Retro, but psst, I mentioned that in paragraph 2. ;)

"We're not told what her folks do for a living, but we know they're not wealthy since Sue Ann is at Eastland on scholarship, and I believe many of us think it's safe to assume that her father is in a rural profession."

Thanks for pointing that out, '80s.


I do think of Mr. Weaver as a farmer, myself. And yeah, it's easy to picture Mrs. Weaver being a farmer's wife at home tending to the homestead. (sorry Mols! :lol:)

Definitely!

So the scholarship girl role went from Nancy O. to Sue Ann to Jo? I don't recall Nancy O. as being on Scholarship in the regular season 1.

You're right, Nancy's only scholarship reference is in TGS.

So the scholarship girl role went from Nancy O. to Sue Ann to Jo? I don't recall Nancy O. as being on Scholarship in the regular season 1.

Like at most schools, I'm sure there was more than one scholarship given out at Eastland. It's even possible that there were many scholarship girls at the school. Maybe this was why the pickings were so slim when Jo lost her scholarship. I know where I teach, there are over a hundred different scholarships. I can't imagine Eastland limiting scholarships to a single student.

I can't imagine Eastland limiting scholarships to a single student.

Why not?* They only had ONE new student that year in the entire school. ONE. :lol:

"You must beeeeeeeee JO! The new student!"

THE new student?? The only one?? :lol:

*(I mean, I doubt much they only have 1 scholarship too, I'm just saying "Why not?" for the sake of bringing up the silly "ONE" new student thing, lol)

Why not?* They only had ONE new student that year in the entire school. ONE. :lol:

"You must beeeeeeeee JO! The new student!"

THE new student?? The only one?? :lol:

*(I mean, I doubt much they only have 1 scholarship too, I'm just saying "Why not?" for the sake of bringing up the silly "ONE" new student thing, lol)


I don't find that at all unusual. I was THE new student at the school I attended in junior high: the only new student, although two more students transferred in later that year. There were thousands of smaller schools in the 1980s, although many of them have disappeared since then. And there are still schools in rural areas where the graduating class is, like, one (https://www.13newsnow.com/article/life/people/senior-grads/graduating-class-of-one-for-tangier-combined-school/291-ebef8b59-ddec-467d-bb7e-b983ec72a41d).

And Jo isn't the only new student that year, as we see Cynthia transfer in partway through the semester. There could have been others, as well.

I don't find that at all unusual. I was THE new student at the school I attended in junior high: the only new student, although two more students transferred in later that year. There were thousands of smaller schools in the 1980s, although many of them have disappeared since then. And there are still schools in rural areas where the graduating class is, like, one (https://www.13newsnow.com/article/life/people/senior-grads/graduating-class-of-one-for-tangier-combined-school/291-ebef8b59-ddec-467d-bb7e-b983ec72a41d).

Your school was TINY though. Eastland had at least 7 dorms, I think you say? And Mrs. Garrett says in the bun warmer episode that Eastland has "hundreds of girls." And you would assume the entire lowest grade are new students that year. That's why I always think it's so funny when she says "JO! The new student!" lol...I mean, that makes sense for a dorm, but not an entire school the size of Eastland.

And Jo isn't the only new student that year, as we see Cynthia transfer in partway through the semester. There could have been others, as well.

Yeah but that's after TNG, like you said. :wave:

Your school was TINY though. Eastland had at least 7 dorms, I think you say? And Mrs. Garrett says in the bun warmer episode that Eastland has "hundreds of girls." And you would assume the entire lowest grade are new students that year. That's why I always think it's so funny when she says "JO! The new student!" lol...I mean, that makes sense for a dorm, but not an entire school the size of Eastland.


I definitely believe there are at least seven dorms, based on the info Tootie gives us in "Brave New World". The dorms go to at least G. But even if there are around 32 students per dorm, as we see in "The Girls' School", that would still only be 224 students. Maybe there are more dorms. Maybe there are even dorms that have far more than 30+ students. But we don't really see that. Blair and Jo's graduating class doesn't have much more than 30 students, based on what we see in the Eastland Auditorium. And even the larger Eastland cafeteria of seasons 2 through 4 would only seat 224 students in shifts.

Yeah, the students in the lowest grade would all be new students, but who would refer to any of those girls as "the new girl"? Those young girls are ALL new.

But even if there are around 32 students per dorm, as we see in "The Girls' School"

Close, 23. But that would make the total only 161. But like you say, we don't know officially how many dorms there are, nor the size of each dorm.


Yeah, the students in the lowest grade would all be new students, but who would refer to any of those girls as "the new girl"? Those young girls are ALL new.

Exactly. That's why it sounds preposterous to me when Mrs. Garrett says "JO! The new student!" as if she's the only one new to that campus.

I guess it just depends on how the viewer interprets that line. :wave:

Wouldn't Margo be a new student since we never saw her in Season 1?

I get the impression Margo is a "returning" student. Especially from her attitude and mean girl "queen bee-ness"; she wouldn't have that if this were her first couple of days at school.

I get the impression Margo is a "returning" student. Especially from her attitude and mean girl "queen bee-ness"; she wouldn't have that if this were her first couple of days at school.



Good catch, 80sSitcoms[/B!!!!:wave::wave::wave:

MARGO is definitely an oldie (or returning student as you call it) and the '[B]mean girl from Eastland!!!:birthday::birthday::birthday:

:rock::rock::rock:

Yeah, I definitely didn't get the impression Margo was new. She definitely had the "queen bee" vibe. And even though we never saw her before, we never saw a lot of other students, too, who were supposedly already attending Eastland.

Yeah, I definitely didn't get the impression Margo was new. She definitely had the "queen bee" vibe. And even though we never saw her before, we never saw a lot of other students, too, who were supposedly already attending Eastland.
Agreed! She was to ego driven for a new student