We all know by now that UM liked to leave out certain relevant information about a victim in order to make for a more mysterious narrative. And with better online resources in the past decade or so, we're often able to Google a case a find out exactly what the segment didn't tell us. However, I emphasized the word 'suspect' in the thread title because we all have those cases where it seems like the segment isn't giving the whole story, but there's no article online to confirm our suspicions. Such cases usually have almost no internet presence outside of UM-related links. Anyway, here are my choices:

* I know I say this a lot, but I really believe that Charlie Sigmin may have had an abusive side when he drank that he was possibly "unlucky in love" for a valid reason. What Ann did was certainly wrong, but I think there was definitely a lot more to his murder than just "crazy Satanic b!tch randomly murders good all-American Christian man". We only have Charlie's relatives' claims that he told them Ann practiced witchcraft anyway.

* I've always believed that Perman Gilbert was in fact having an affair and was caught in the act by the woman's husband and was killed before he could get his clothes on. His wife's theory that his killer left him nude to hinder identification or humiliate the family sounds like a wife in denial. But I've also suspected that if one were to dig into their marriage, we'd discover a history of infidelity on Perman's part.

* Most of us agree that Tony Lombardi committed suicide, but I always got the feeling that he may have had documented mental health issues a la Keith Warren's nervous breakdown which was never mentioned and only came to light a few years ago. I can't make up mind on way or the other about whether Keith was murdered or not.

Eric Tamiyasu

Michael Rosenblum.

The late Georgia Boyd's life and family.

Kurt McFall

To all the people who responded – do you have anything specific in mind about the segment you listed that you think was left out?

To all the people who responded – do you have anything specific in mind about the segment you listed that you think was left out?

This might not exactly answer your question, but I would loved to have heard from the Pittsburgh and Baldwin police departments for their side of the Michael Rosenblum case. I have always suapected some kind of coverup in his disappearance.

Kurt McFall

Was the SCA involved?

To all the people who responded – do you have anything specific in mind about the segment you listed that you think was left out?

None of the 3 suspects in the segment had a reason to interrupt Eric and his date that night. Especially if they intended to kill him.

There's something more to the case.

Jeffrey Digman.

The more I've considered it over the years, the more I think the reason he was reportedly so perfectionistic and "serious" is because he suffered severe anxiety and depression (and maybe even an alcohol abuse problem) that ultimately led to a suicide.

Jeffrey Digman.

The more I've considered it over the years, the more I think the reason he was reportedly so perfectionistic and "serious" is because he suffered severe anxiety and depression (and maybe even an alcohol abuse problem) that ultimately led to a suicide.

I agree with this. It's ironic (because he supervised the drug testing program) that he may have had a alcohol or substance abuse problem. After reading your post, I also wonder if he may have been gay. I don't say that flippantly (as some people have accused everyone of being gay in the past) but the more I've watched his story, the more I sensed he was trying to be too perfect also. Whether he was trying to live up to his parents ideals, he was gay and didn't want people to know, he had a drug or alcohol problem, or he was going through depression/anxiety it seemed like maybe he was trying to hide some personal "flaw" (in his mind) or he just wasn't happy like he thought he would be. But yeah, Meg, I think you might be on to something here. If it was substance related, I would think it would be easier for him to hide it since he ran the drug testing program. I don't know what kind of controls they had it place, but at a minimum, I suspect he would at least know when tests were taking place so he could make sure to be clean if he needed a random test.

The fact that his journal and/or records are missing is very suspicious... but not necessarily sinister. It may very well have had the personal reflections of Jeffrey who detailed his struggles with whatever. He may have wanted to leave a clean record after he died. I can see him there alone, struggling with something in his mind, getting mad and ripping the door off his desk to get at his records so he could destroy them, then he drank himself into a stupor to build up the nerve to kill himself. It would cover all of the details in this case, with the lone exception being the angle of the bullet which I do not think is accurate. I think that part is a red herring.

Speaking of Jeffrey Digman and more to the story, I've said this before and I'll say it again -- I am very bothered by the fact Jeffrey's roommate came home, saw Jeffrey's car there and lights on, but needed the neighbor to go with him to check things out. Even in the reenactment, the neighbor is like "WTF?" I don't think an officer in the Marine Corps would be scared to go in his own house just because his roommate is home when he was supposed to be gone. It wasn't like a dark house had the front door hanging wide open at 3am. I think the roommate either KNEW or suspected what he was going to find and wanted a witness. I'm not even saying he did it -- but maybe he knew or suspected Jeffrey was suicidal and didn't want to see it himself and/or wanted a witness so he couldn't be accused of the crime. This part really bothered me and it was kind of glossed over by UM. There has to be more to that part of the story at a minimum.

In any case, I feel bad for Jeffrey and his family. He was a person and a member of the U.S. military and he may have been suffering from something very personal. I have to wonder if this happened today, maybe he could have gotten the help he may have needed since these things have so much less of a stigma. I just hope he is at peace now. I pray for peace and understanding for his family.

I'm going to add one: Tim McClure. (Yes, yes... I know... but hang on.)

I've waffled on this case more than IHOP. From 100% guilty, to probably guilty, to "maybe not guilty?" to "he knows more than he is saying."

As I look at this case now, there is some aspect of this that we are missing. I don't think Tim just straight up planned to murder his mom; nor do I think she just stopped at a casino, got into the passenger seat, and someone just randomly shot her to death.

The "something more" here is what many of us have been asking for years: what is up with Tim's (ex)wife? Why was she not interviewed? What is her version of things? Why did it say she was going to testify against him and then backed out?

It could be as simple as his ex-wife had an axe to grind against him after they broke up and she thought she would stir up the crap pot by going to the police and fingering him in the murder of his mother. But that is an awfully big gamble and she would have to be awfully mad.

I think there is something here we are missing, whether it is his ex-wife, the relationship with his mother, or something his mother was up to that was never admitted (maybe meeting someone on the way home?). I think there is some piece to this story that would fill the hole and explain why Terry was killed and why Tim was so guilty looking/flustered after the fact. He may very well not have killed her, but his behavior suggests he knew a lot more than what he told the police.

Speaking of Jeffrey Digman and more to the story, I've said this before and I'll say it again -- I am very bothered by the fact Jeffrey's roommate came home, saw Jeffrey's car there and lights on, but needed the neighbor to go with him to check things out. Even in the reenactment, the neighbor is like "WTF?" I don't think an officer in the Marine Corps would be scared to go in his own house just because his roommate is home when he was supposed to be gone. It wasn't like a dark house had the front door hanging wide open at 3am. I think the roommate either KNEW or suspected what he was going to find and wanted a witness. I'm not even saying he did it -- but maybe he knew or suspected Jeffrey was suicidal and didn't want to see it himself and/or wanted a witness so he couldn't be accused of the crime. This part really bothered me and it was kind of glossed over by UM. There has to be more to that part of the story at a minimum.



I agree with this. I think the natural reaction would be "oh, my roommate must've missed his flight" not "I'm scared to go in the house alone!" This frightened reaction definitely makes me feel there's more to the story, more background that we don't know.

Jeffrey Digman.

The more I've considered it over the years, the more I think the reason he was reportedly so perfectionistic and "serious" is because he suffered severe anxiety and depression (and maybe even an alcohol abuse problem) that ultimately led to a suicide.


This whole case is messed up. Jeff's father dwells too much on Jeff being left-handed (I think he was shot on the right side). I know of at least three people who are right-handed that shoot left handed (and I'm sure the opposite is true of left-handers who shoot right-handed). Furthermore, it was a handgun so the dominant hand makes very little difference.

Jeff's father also seems convinced that any drug users would be automatically discharged. I'm not certain that would be the case, even in 1988 (1989 was when Jeff was found, during Super Bowl 23).

I think Jeff's roommate suspected he was suicidal. He asked the neighbor to come over to cover himself (so he would have a stronger alibi). The roommate was in no way involved and didn't want to draw any undue suspicion upon himself by being alone when he found Jeff in the house dead (if he suspected Jeff was inside).

My heart ached (still does) for his parents when I first saw this segment on TV (I was in 4th or 5th grade).

I never really bought the story about the woman babynapper that took Marlene Santana

I know of at least three people who are right-handed that shoot left handed (and I'm sure the opposite is true of left-handers who shoot right-handed). Furthermore, it was a handgun so the dominant hand makes very little difference.

Me too! I am right-handed but left-eye dominant, so I shoot left. And although I usually grip handguns with my left hand, I interchange hands occasionally.

Jeff's father also seems convinced that any drug users would be automatically discharged. I'm not certain that would be the case, even in 1988 (1989 was when Jeff was found, during Super Bowl 23).

I think Jeff's roommate suspected he was suicidal. He asked the neighbor to come over to cover himself (so he would have a stronger alibi). The roommate was in no way involved and didn't want to draw any undue suspicion upon himself by being alone when he found Jeff in the house dead (if he suspected Jeff was inside).

My heart ached (still does) for his parents when I first saw this segment on TV (I was in 4th or 5th grade).

I too suspect the roommate might have known more about Jeffrey's state of mind than might have been evident in the segment, and simply had a not-unfounded bad feeling. I would love to know what he knew, if anything.

I had forgotten what the Jeffrey Digman case was about, and I have so many observations that fall right in line with this thread:

-I think it's not out of the question that Digman could have been gay. I know that sounds far-fetched but back in the day these things had to be alluded-to: his parents describe him as "clean" and "organized," he joined the Marines partly because it was a "macho" thing to do, he was a really good-looking guy with kind of a frumpy girlfriend, etc. In addition, being in such a macho profession and trying to live a lie could certainly have pushed anyone, especially a perfectionist, over the edge. (This segment made me think of the Seinfeld episode where people mistake Jerry for being gay because he's "thin, neat, single, late 30s" or something like that.)

-Digman's father's toupee....wow

-Holy crap they showed the actual crime scene photo? I was not prepared for that.

-They don't really show a convincing reason why someone would have murdered him. The Army-drugs angle just doesn't seem "extreme" enough to warrant murder. Suicide, on the other hand, makes sense if you're talking about a highly-driven, perfectionist individual (I have dealt with perfectionism myself and am very aware of how it can drive a person to deep depression).

Similar to the Marlena Santana case there was a case (can't remember the name) where a mother supposedly had to use a portable toilet and couldn't fit the baby carriage inside and in that one minute timeframe the child was abducted in the middle of a crowded fair. I offer a million apologizes if I am wrong and it was a kidnapping but I remain VERY skeptical that some random abductor just stole a baby. Think about it: what amazing timing for the kidnapper? We aren't talking about a bicycle here and random infant abductions are rare at the best of times let alone in such a small window. I strongly suspect if this was a kidnapping that there is far more to the story than UM lets on.

-I think it's not out of the question that Digman could have been gay. I know that sounds far-fetched but back in the day these things had to be alluded-to: his parents describe him as "clean" and "organized," he joined the Marines partly because it was a "macho" thing to do, he was a really good-looking guy with kind of a frumpy girlfriend, etc. In addition, being in such a macho profession and trying to live a lie could certainly have pushed anyone, especially a perfectionist, over the edge. (This segment made me think of the Seinfeld episode where people mistake Jerry for being gay because he's "thin, neat, single, late 30s" or something like that.)

That sounds like a decent enough theory. Although I wish we were privy to more information. It was mentioned that he wanted to be a marine since he was a little boy, which might predate any inner gay panic on his part. But that doesn't mean it couldn't have become an issue later in life if he did end up being gay. I don't think Jeffrey's name was ever mentioned in the gay speculation thread. But it's just a theory. The perfectionist angle could torture a person regardless of their sexuality.

-They don't really show a convincing reason why someone would have murdered him. The Army-drugs angle just doesn't seem "extreme" enough to warrant murder. Suicide, on the other hand, makes sense if you're talking about a highly-driven, perfectionist individual (I have dealt with perfectionism myself and am very aware of how it can drive a person to deep depression).

Not just to deep depression but sometimes even worse. This often goes to a parenting thing I take deep issue with. When you pressure your children to be nothing less than perfection, you're psychologically damaging them because you've set a standard that no human could possibly live up to. And that damage lives with you into adulthood and through the rest of of your life.

A good example of this was from the Duncan Gilmore lost love segment. There's a section of Patsy Summers diary shown on screen where she mentions that telling her mother about her pregnancy would be impossible for her to bear because all of her children had to be perfect in every way. Anything less than that was out of the question. The damage was done and Patsy ended up making multiple suicide attempts later in life before finally killing herself by driving in to oncoming traffic on the freeway.

I'm not saying Jeffrey's parents demanded perfection of him at every turn, because we don't have enough information. But the strife for perfection combined with other inner turmoil can definitely be a cause for disaster.

I'm not saying Jeffrey's parents demanded perfection of him at every turn, because we don't have enough information. But the strife for perfection combined with other inner turmoil can definitely be a cause for disaster.

I'm sure they were loving parents, but along those lines that you mentioned, it may explain a lot. Maybe Jeffrey's parents had very high standards and perhaps even spoke out against gay people. I had a lot of extended relatives who, around that time, spoke out openly against gay people. So if Jeffrey had grown up in an environment where he had to excel and where being homosexual was not an option, then I can see where he would really have serious inner turmoil.

If you read between the lines in his UM segment, you see a man who was driven to be a soldier (even "macho") and that made his parents proud. But he also was not where he wanted to be (Puerto Rico) and perhaps not WHO he wanted to be. Even if the homosexual part isn't true, you can see a troubled person who may very well have suffered from depression and may have turned to drugs and alcohol.

We know he was heavily intoxicated when he died. I highly doubt that alcohol was forced into him. It's far more likely that he was severely depressed, got drunk, and took his own life.

dynoguy, I think you bring up some great points. We all want our kids to be happy and successful, but they are also human so they need to have room to explore and even make mistakes. I struggle with that with my own young kids at times. You have to give them room to make their own decisions at times, even if they aren't the best, so that they can learn things for themselves. Looking back, it seems to me that some of the kids I knew with the strictest parents ended up being some of the most messed up kids as adults. You have to find a balance.

I suspect there was more to Andre Jones actually being involved with gangs (at the very least affiliating or being friends with a member), and that he wasn't as innocent as portrayed in the segment. I have a similar feeling with the majority of the murder vs. suicide segments.

Absolutely there was more to Andre Jones than portrayed, as is always the case on documentary style TV shows. Regardless of what Andre Jones affiliations were it did not warrant his murder.

Absolutely there was more to Andre Jones than portrayed, as is always the case on documentary style TV shows. Regardless of what Andre Jones affiliations were it did not warrant his murder.

I do not believe he was murdered.

Really? Suicide in a Mississippi jail is the more likely scenario? Over minor offenses, when the guards even stated he was in a positive mood?

In the Cindy James case, I always suspected two things:

-The divorce between Cindy and her ex-husband was acrimonious (it was totally glossed-over in the UM segment).

-Cindy had fragile mental health.

I don't claim to have any answers to this case, I am honestly 50/50 on whether her injuries/death were self-inflicted or not. But, I suspect (with admittedly no proof!) that the above two points are true regardless.

Eric Tamiyasu was extremely strange and problematic.

The idea that the sheriff would burn evidence (the bed Eric was murdered on) is disturbing on so many levels and indicative of a cover up at the worst or horrific police work at the least.

The case of Chaim Weiss seems filled with intrigue and some weirdness about the actual killer. Clearly, people there knew something, but everyone remained quiet for some dark reason.

I can think of many, many cases where there's been some unexplored thread that would shed more light on the case, but those two obviously have shades of conspiracy wrapped around them.

CBW

In the Cindy James case, I always suspected two things:

-The divorce between Cindy and her ex-husband was acrimonious (it was totally glossed-over in the UM segment).

-Cindy had fragile mental health.

I don't claim to have any answers to this case, I am honestly 50/50 on whether her injuries/death were self-inflicted or not. But, I suspect (with admittedly no proof!) that the above two points are true regardless.

Agreed on both of these.

From what I've read about the case, Cindy had something of a strict and overbearing father, and eventually ended up marrying a much older, professionally prominent man when she was a very young woman. The events didn't begin until after the divorce, and I've had the idea she ultimately staged them in an attempt to keep herself out of a situation in which she'd be "on her own", so to speak.

Really? Suicide in a Mississippi jail is the more likely scenario? Over minor offenses, when the guards even stated he was in a positive mood?

Yes. The UM segment said as much when the Department of Justice looked into the multiple suicides in Mississippi jails and determined that the lack of safeguards in the jails was the reason why the suicide rate was so high.

Lack of Safeguards huh? Ok if that is enough to convince you.

Lack of Safeguards huh? Ok if that is enough to convince you.

That's not all. I went into more detail about this years ago in this (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=113935&highlight=andre+jones) thread if you're interested.

Agreed on both of these.

From what I've read about the case, Cindy had something of a strict and overbearing father, and eventually ended up marrying a much older, professionally prominent man when she was a very young woman. The events didn't begin until after the divorce, and I've had the idea she ultimately staged them in an attempt to keep herself out of a situation in which she'd be "on her own", so to speak.

Yes -- you nailed it.

I know it's almost impossible to find now, but Neal Hall's book on this case goes into this in great detail. Cindy was a damaged person, probably from early in life. There were definite "Daddy issues" and she seemed to seek father-like figures later on. There was definitely weirdness in her marriage and later relationships.

I'm not completely discounting that some of the stalking at the beginning was real, but for sure later on Cindy staged most if not all of it. She was crying out for attention and help. It really is a sad story and I feel she was ignored and mistreated early on (including by LE) which caused her downward spiral.

Over minor offenses, when the guards even stated he was in a positive mood?

I won't jump into the state of Mississippi jails at the time, but both of these are misnomers.

Many people who commit suicide give no outward signs before they do it. Some people who commit suicide suffer from depression and you can see warning signs, but many suffer privately and leave no clues. I read about the suicides on the Golden Gate bridge and it was very eye opening. One high school kids stopped for breakfast at McDonalds on the way to the bridge where he simply climbed over the railing and jumped. No reason, no note, and everything seemed normal right up until the time that he took his life. That is one of the scary facts about suicide. In fact, some people are upbeat right before they kill themselves because they know the end is near and they will be free of what is causing them pain.

Likewise, what seems like a minor offense may have bigger consequences for someone else. Just being in jail may cause someone's anxiety to skyrocket and cause them to do things they might not normally do.

I'm not going to wade in to the broader debate about whether or not people have been killed while in jail and then it was staged to look like suicide. But people do commit suicide, sometimes in jail, often without warning or outward signs that they are desperate.

I won't jump into the state of Mississippi jails at the time, but both of these are misnomers.

Many people who commit suicide give no outward signs before they do it. Some people who commit suicide suffer from depression and you can see warning signs, but many suffer privately and leave no clues. I read about the suicides on the Golden Gate bridge and it was very eye opening. One high school kids stopped for breakfast at McDonalds on the way to the bridge where he simply climbed over the railing and jumped. No reason, no note, and everything seemed normal right up until the time that he took his life. That is one of the scary facts about suicide. In fact, some people are upbeat right before they kill themselves because they know the end is near and they will be free of what is causing them pain.

Likewise, what seems like a minor offense may have bigger consequences for someone else. Just being in jail may cause someone's anxiety to skyrocket and cause them to do things they might not normally do.

I'm not going to wade in to the broader debate about whether or not people have been killed while in jail and then it was staged to look like suicide. But people do commit suicide, sometimes in jail, often without warning or outward signs that they are desperate.
Yes I am somewhat familiar with the psychology of suicide. I understand what you have stated but I simply do not believe that it is the most likely scenario in this particular case.

In my personal opinion, unless there is a note or conclusive evidence pointing to suicide I find it
repugnant to brazenly go around accusing a deceased person of their own murder. Suicide is a very real and tragic problem.

Yes I am somewhat familiar with the psychology of suicide. I understand what you have stated but I simply do not believe that it is the most likely scenario in this particular case.

In my personal opinion, unless there is a note or conclusive evidence pointing to suicide I find it
repugnant to brazenly go around accusing a deceased person of their own murder. Suicide is a very real and tragic problem.

I’m not arguing the evidence of this case either way. I never said Andre Jones committed suicide. I think there are a lot of bizarre facts to this case and certainly contradictory stories.

What I was doing was countering what you stated which is an incorrect generalization: “Over minor offenses, when the guards even stated he was in a positive mood?” That alone doesn’t mean anything. That points to neither murder nor suicide. Many people commit suicide without leaving a note too. That’s one of the really hard, crappy parts about it. I know people who have killed themselves and they didn’t leave a note nor an obvious reason. Not easy for those left behind.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but minor offenses, a good mood, and lack of a note don’t prove anything. That’s the reality of it.

Suicide is a very real and tragic problem.

That is one thing we can 100% agree on. :(

Ok. I didn't mean to imply that minor offenses and a positive mood rule out suicide. I was making a statement that its not the most likely scenario in Andre's case. You taking my statement and applying it to ALL suicides is an incorrect generalization. What you stated about people in a good mood when they have made the decision to end it is true but doesn't apply in this case. By all accounts he was not "devastated" by being arrested. Unless he had decided earlier in the night to die by suicide, which the facts don't support, ANDRE JONES' positive mood was not due to knowing and end was in sight. If you want to argue that anyone can die by suicide at any time regardless of any circumstances then I really have no response to that.

If you want to argue that anyone can die by suicide at any time regardless of any circumstances then I really have no response to that.

That's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that we don't know what is going on in anyone's head. It is a myth that gets perpetuated that someone couldn't die by suicide because they weren't depressed or didn't seem despondent. Sadly, that happens way too often and there are plenty of examples of it on UM.

Again, I'm not saying Andre Jones killed himself. But what about this? He's in jail; he is facing several charges including potential auto theft or illegal use of a vehicle and having a weapon; he is scared out of his mind; the jailers are harassing him; other inmates are threatening him... and maybe he WAS already depressed and no one knew it or acknowledged it.

I agree that no one suddenly says, "Nothing planned for today... Maybe I'll commit suicide." But we don't know what others may be thinking or feeling. There are plenty of people who come off as happy or at least ok who could be depressed or suffering. And maybe he was one of those and this series of events pushed him over the edge. That is just one possibility. Also possible he was murdered.

All I'm saying is that without knowing what was going on in Andre Jones's head before and during his encounter with the police, we can't rule in or rule out suicide based solely on his behavior or the lack of a note.

Yes I agree we can't rule it in or rule it out as a possibility. Not that you are arguing this, I just personally find it callous to brazenly conclude that an indivual murdered his or herself without concrete evidence to support it.

Another thing I suspect but have no proof:

Sneha Phillip had overbearing parents who expected perfection; to appease them she became a doctor even though she probably wasn't overly enthusiastic about the profession. Her subsequent problems at work and problems in her marriage were due to "acting out" a delayed adolescence.

Suspected but not confirmed:

Many people of this board suspected that there was something off about Mark and Debbie Baskin’s story long before the truth came out, but said nothing out of fear of being viewed as insensitive.

George Owens the elderly Tennessee man who got very confused and disappeared in 1985 with his car found abandoned on a remote backroad trail with sticks in the backseat but no trace of him ever being found. Though in this case, I don't think the authorities held back any info at their disposal, I DO think more could have happened to him that has never been verified.

Another thing I suspect but have no proof:

Sneha Phillip had overbearing parents who expected perfection; to appease them she became a doctor even though she probably wasn't overly enthusiastic about the profession. Her subsequent problems at work and problems in her marriage were due to "acting out" a delayed adolescence.

I also think it's possible that she spend the night of September 10,2001 with a known 9/11 victim and accompanied that victim to the WTC area with neither of them meeting anyone who could remember them who survived and that could be why she may have never been identified as someone who was actually on the premises when that tragedy happened.

I also think it's possible that she spend the night of September 10,2001 with a known 9/11 victim and accompanied that victim to the WTC area with neither of them meeting anyone who could remember them who survived and that could be why she may have never been identified as someone who was actually on the premises when that tragedy happened.

Sneha seemed to be in a very troubled (selfish?) phase at that point. I just find it very hard to believe that when the 9/11 attacks happened, she suddenly ran to the twin towers. They were trying to get everyone away from there and evacuate the injured to hospitals. If she were going to help, it's far more likely she would go to the hospital to help, IMO.

I agree that if she died, she was either in or near the WTC and was a victim or she was meeting someone and was killed when they were near ground zero. But I agree there was likely way more going on here. Her pattern of behavior was bizarre and deceptive. To each their own, but it sounds like their marriage was a mess and Sneha was really struggling with addiction and possibly mental health.

If she was there to help, God bless her. I just still have a problem including her as a victim when there is no evidence of that. Even if it's likely, it's still as likely she disappeared on her own or died in an unrelated matter and was never discovered.

Had Dr. Phillips been with a future known 9/11 victim on the night of September 10th , perhaps after the victim may have remembered some important documents at their WTC workplace around 8AM of that fateful day and the two of them went early to the premises (where the known victim may have been greeted by someone who'd survive but the survivor may not have seen Dr. Phillips with the 9/11 or remembered seeing her with the victim)were on an upper floor that was either in the area of immediate and direct destruction or had had the staircase/elevators cut off by the one of the planes' impact and were seeking a means to find a way down and out when their building collapsed and they perished. That's my theory of what might have happened.

Maybe one jury member was a holdout in the Donnie Hansen murder trial, and the other jury members just called uncle so they could end deliberations and go home. I can't see how he was acquitted otherwise.

Maybe one jury member was a holdout in the Donnie Hansen murder trial, and the other jury members just called uncle so they could end deliberations and go home. I can't see how he was acquitted otherwise.

Good point! There's also the whole issue of the surviving twin sister's unusual death 'from an air bubble' that didn't seem to add up and why HER claims were dismissed/ignored merely because she didn't live to actually testify against him in court seems a bit off to me.

Maybe one jury member was a holdout in the Donnie Hansen murder trial, and the other jury members just called uncle so they could end deliberations and go home. I can't see how he was acquitted otherwise.

I remember seeing an article written after his acquittal which said that several members of the jury went out to lunch with Hansen and his attorney's after the trial. They really did believe he was innocent. And I'd love to know why.

I just still have a problem including her as a victim when there is no evidence of that. Even if it's likely, it's still as likely she disappeared on her own or died in an unrelated matter and was never discovered.

I agree. It would be one thing if there was a definitive sighting of her on 9/11 but there was not. The woman seen on grainy video in the apartment could have been anyone. For all we know Sneha was in Vegas on the morning of 9/11!

It's interesting because I recently re-watched the UM segment on Sneha and at that point, her husband and her friend interviewed in the segment seemed to be leaning towards Sneha NOT dying in the WTC attacks. Yet later on, her family vigorously pushed to get her included in the list of victims when there is just zero evidence of that.

I think during the Tammy Lynn Leppert segment there are times where her mother is speaking about who could be frightening Tammy and he is halting in her speech -- almost like she is consciously remembering not to say a specific person's name. I wonder if they had a suspect at the time and didn't want to name him on camera for the usual precautions.