In Dick York's biography he has only nice things to say about Elizabeth Montgomery and their working relationship. He states that they were close certainly early on in the show. He mentioned that they would often sit between filming working on word puzzles together. Here is a photo of them doing just that.

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They got along fine in the first two seasons, but in season three the worm turned and it simply was no longer the case.

The fact is that in the spring of 1969 when he asked to return to the show after leaving, was denied & then said about Liz & the show in an interview about the unpleasant atmosphere on the set, how he was unhappy with how he was being used in the show as in underused & how he wanted to go onto other & better things.

In the 1988 book "Whatever became of?", York stated: "I left in an ambulance and never returned. The atmosphere on the set of Bewitched was extremely unpleasant. I never missed that show."

You have to understand that they were real people who were actors playing roles that were not them, they were not Samantha & Darrin in real life, sometimes people get that reality confused.

This is not unusual as one could say the same thing about any cast member & the majority of the cast & as well about anyone & most of those that they work with her their never having any contact again after his leaving the show is perfectly natural in my view.

This doesn't mean they liked or disliked each other, they merely worked with each other & had the same working experience that any actor or actress has with 95% of all those they work with.

It was a job & they had a job to do & they did it, then they went their own way, as you must recall that they both had spouses & large young families to tend too, this along with the full time job of carrying a weekly series left little or no time for any other interaction between the two, they both already had a full plate to deal with.

I have heard it said that she strongly disliked Dick York and that she thought he was all wet and kind of creepy & weird.

After DY left the show there was simply no reason for them to have any contact with each other as is the case with all actors pretty much once they finish a project, they just move on with their lives.

In Dick York's biography he has only nice things to say about Elizabeth Montgomery and their working relationship. He states that they were close certainly early on in the show. He mentioned that they would often sit between filming working on word puzzles together. Here is a photo of them doing just that.

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Why do I keep being drawn into this nonsense...You push this same narrative over and over and over when you actually have no idea about them at all. Which is fine. Believe whatever you need to. "All wet and kind of creepy & weird" is the DUMBEST thing I've ever read and a total biased opinion if not downright fabrication. You do realize that when a certain producer stated his opinion that York was "in love with Montgomery and it irritated her" his point was a dig at Montgomery as a hard-hearted woman who did not want to be loved by anyone. He wasn't insulting Dick York. He was insulting Montgomery. Now that contradicts what most other cast members have said about her - so his statements are more bad-mouthing and self-serving than gospel fact. You need to believe in the fantasy and that's fine. Have at it.

You have to understand that they were real people who were actors playing roles that were not them, they were not Samantha & Darrin in real life, sometimes people get that reality confused.

And others have an unnatural obsession with Montgomery lusting after her and thinking she was a goddess who was "just like Samantha." She herself was more fond of Lizzie Bordon (the character) than Samantha.

It is not a narrative but rather a recounting of the truth directly from the horses mouth or in this case the witch's mouth as this came directly from Elizabeth Montgomery.

If these truths and facts escape you due to your delusional nonsense and sick DY fantasy's that is your issue.

It is Elizabeth who believed and recounted that he was "All wet and kind of creepy & weird" and she knew him YOU did not, so she is the one whose viewpoint is credible, yours is not!

Your the one who over and over and over again pushes the same DY propaganda that he & Liz were in effect Sam & Darrin, i have news for you.....they were not!

About Yorks infatuation with Liz and the fact that it bothered her has been corroborated by other members of the crew and cast who were there day after day on the set.

It is widely known that York was a little sideways and weird and had some odd ideas about things.

Liz didn't like him, deal with it.
The Asher's were repeatedly asked to dinner by the York's right from the start and the Asher's never went, it is all too obvious now why.




Why do I keep being drawn into this nonsense...You push this same narrative over and over and over when you actually have no idea about them at all. Which is fine. Believe whatever you need to. "All wet and kind of creepy & weird" is the DUMBEST thing I've ever read and a total biased opinion if not downright fabrication. You do realize that when a certain producer stated his opinion that York was "in love with Montgomery and it irritated her" his point was a dig at Montgomery as a hard-hearted woman who did not want to be loved by anyone. He wasn't insulting Dick York. He was insulting Montgomery. Now that contradicts what most other cast members have said about her - so his statements are more bad-mouthing and self-serving than gospel fact. You need to believe in the fantasy and that's fine. Have at it.

You have to understand that they were real people who were actors playing roles that were not them, they were not Samantha & Darrin in real life, sometimes people get that reality confused.

And others have an unnatural obsession with Montgomery lusting after her and thinking she was a goddess who was "just like Samantha." She herself was more fond of Lizzie Bordon (the character) than Samantha.

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I really enjoyed part 2 of "Samantha for the Defense" when the prosecuting attorney just rambled on and on and on and Samantha finally just said "Oh hush up."

Was Dick York Fired or did he resign?
Although i think Dick York would have been fired by both Screen Gems and ABC after his initial 5 year contract expired, i do believe Bill Asher when he said on the day of his collapse that Dick York simply resigned from the show that day.

The delays caused by his absences and the uncertainty of his being able to work any given week due to his back condition cost both ABC & Screen Gems a fair bit of money, so i think they would have been inclined to cut their loses at that point.

Later the following year in late spring Dick York did re-approach Screen Gems and ABC about returning to the cast as Darrin.

He had asked to be allowed a sabbatical till that September to allow his back to heal at which point filming of his scenes would have recommenced.

By that point though Screen Gems had recast Darrin and signed Dick Sargent for the role, in fact 3 or 4 episodes had already been filmed by that point in time and were in the can so to speak.

As well Liz & Bill and Screen Gems did not believe that the time off would make any difference knowing full well the extent of Dick Yorks back problems and how difficult it had been for him all those years.

They correctly believed that he would still be incapacitated after his time off and would be unable to work.

This would have left Bewitched in the Lurch without a Darrin and with most likely all the best candidates no longer available forcing them to take whatever they could get.

They proved to be right as after Dick York's collapse in early December, 1968 he was bedridden and only semi lucid for for more then a year so obviously would have been unable to film scenes for Bewitched in September, 1969.

He was never again able to physically work for any sustained period of time, so the time off would have accomplished nothing.

That summer after he had been rebuffed by the Ashers and Screen Gems he said in an article that he was glad to have left the show and wanted to play other roles, that he felt he was improperly and underused as Darrin and that the atmosphere on the set was very unpleasant.

Talk about burning your bridges, that alone made any further expectation of any contact between Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York in the future unrealistic and not rational.

Why would anyone rush to that aid of someone who in your last interaction with them had slapped you in the face.

Interestingly Dick York in interviews near the end of his life in the 1990's still claimed if they had just given him that summer off he could have finished the run of the show.

So he was clearly in denial on that matter all of his life.

It is sad he was not able to finish the run of the series, it would have been great and preferable if he could have, but it simply was not possible.

At least we do have his wonderful performances of the first 4 2/3 seasons of the show to enjoy over and over, they are all timeless those episodes and never get old.

I love the huge diatribes you write when no one asked the question - pushing your version of reality over and over again.

Dick York resigned - Mrs. York in particular really wanted him to. Asher and ABC wanted him to continue - ABC execs visited the York's home as he recuperated to check on him hoping he could return - as Mrs. York stated a few years before she died. York was flat on his back for 18 months per his own biography - him giving an interview about how "unpleasant" the show had become is complete fiction. The rest you write is pure speculative fantasy.

York did mention hoping to have the summer off to recuperate - 20 years later remembering his time on the show! At the time he fell ill he was under no illusion that he could continue or return to the show.

No what it was and is are Dick Yorks actual words and thoughts given in a live interview to a reporter which were then used verbatim in a book about celebrities, he said it, he owns it, deal with it.

The fact is that the Ashers and ABC wanted him out and if he had not quit he would have been fired and replaced.

It was Asher who visited him not ABC executives and it was in the hospital right after he collapsed not in his home.

They were being gracious to him but he was done and they both knew it as well as the fact he would never be coming back to Bewitched.

20 years later the delusional York was still spouting the fantasy that if only he had the summer off he could have still made it back which of course was pure fantasy.

Your the one that spouts delusional fantasy's over and over again, trying to make others believe your nonsense about Liz & DY living a idealistic Samantha/Darrin like relationship that never existed on or off the set.

You have now been educated, you can leave now, you are dismissed!!!!!


I love the huge diatribes you write when no one asked the question - pushing your version of reality over and over again.

Dick York resigned - Mrs. York in particular really wanted him to. Asher and ABC wanted him to continue - ABC execs visited the York's home as he recuperated to check on him hoping he could return - as Mrs. York stated a few years before she died. York was flat on his back for 18 months per his own biography - him giving an interview about how "unpleasant" the show had become is complete fiction. The rest you write is pure speculative fantasy.

York did mention hoping to have the summer off to recuperate - 20 years later remembering his time on the show! At the time he fell ill he was under no illusion that he could continue or return to the show.

I didn't read all that. But, you know best...as usual.

So true,You are wise beyond your years, the truth and facts always know best.

I didn't read all that. But, you know best...as usual.

This self-delusional Bewitched "expert" Larry sounds a lot like the same, well, shall we say, gentleman (I hate to have to call a Jack Ass a Jack Ass, oop, guess I just did) back to my pernt, the same guy who was BANNED off this sitcom site years ago for his over zealous to the point of insanity:crazy: defense of the fake Dick over the real Darrin, Dick York.

Everyone knows Dick York was the real Darrin. ([whispering] Now watch this guy explode.:lol:)

Maybe they'll even ban him again.:) There's always hope. By the way, how do you get "banned" and then keep returning again and again.:confused: Give it up "Larry" the only one convinced of your wild opinions is you. Face it, ain't nobody buyin'. Wake up and smell that lovely java!:wave:

It is not a narrative but rather a recounting of the truth directly from the horses mouth or in this case the witch's mouth as this came directly from Elizabeth Montgomery.

If these truths and facts escape you due to your delusional nonsense and sick DY fantasy's that is your issue.

It is Elizabeth who believed and recounted that he was "All wet and kind of creepy & weird" and she knew him YOU did not, so she is the one whose viewpoint is credible, yours is not!

Your the one who over and over and over again pushes the same DY propaganda that he & Liz were in effect Sam & Darrin, i have news for you.....they were not!

About Yorks infatuation with Liz and the fact that it bothered her has been corroborated by other members of the crew and cast who were there day after day on the set.

It is widely known that York was a little sideways and weird and had some odd ideas about things.

Liz didn't like him, deal with it.
The Asher's were repeatedly asked to dinner by the York's right from the start and the Asher's never went, it is all too obvious now why.

No what it was and is are Dick Yorks actual words and thoughts given in a live interview to a reporter which were then used verbatim in a book about celebrities, he said it, he owns it, deal with it.

The fact is that the Ashers and ABC wanted him out and if he had not quit he would have been fired and replaced.

It was Asher who visited him not ABC executives and it was in the hospital right after he collapsed not in his home.

They were being gracious to him but he was done and they both knew it as well as the fact he would never be coming back to Bewitched.

20 years later the delusional York was still spouting the fantasy that if only he had the summer off he could have still made it back which of course was pure fantasy.

Your the one that spouts delusional fantasy's over and over again, trying to make others believe your nonsense about Liz & DY living a idealistic Samantha/Darrin like relationship that never existed on or off the set.

You have now been educated, you can leave now, you are dismissed!!!!!

It is sad that some delusional fools can not differentiate between reality and fiction, real people and sitcom characters.

There is NO real Darrin Stephens, there is only a fictional character played by two fine actors who both did a superb job in the role, with the latter DS being better and more appropriate for where the show and the premis was in the last 3 seasons of the show.

Needless to say nobody was ever banned from this site due to giving factual truths about Elizabeth Montgomery and DY and how well they did or didn't get along.

It is sad but some people are a waste of space and a walking justification for birth control.

She has my sympathy and sincere wish that she get help as soon as possible, perhaps more & stronger meds then currently in use by her?

There's always been rumors of DY and EM not getting along, I think it could be true because I noticed that in some interviews of Lizz when she was asked about the success of Bewitched, she always answers that it was mainly because of the incredible cast they had, then she mentions Agnes Moorehead, Maurice Evans, Paul Lynde, David White but she never mentions Dick York.

Not mentioning Dick York who was the costar of the show is very strange, that makes me think that something happened between them.

Anyways, they had a good chemistry on TV and that's what matters.

Yes very true on all counts.
Most co-stars are merely work acquaintance's who are only ok with each other but that is all.
It has not been uncommon for them to hate each other such as Bill Farley and Vivian Vance on ILL, everyone hated Gary Burgoff (Radar) on MASH and so on, so Liz and DY not getting along is no shock or in anyway unusual.

As you say the only thing that matters is that in character the two had brilliant chemistry and were fantastic in their respective roles and made the show a great sitcom, the rest is really immaterial.


There's always been rumors of DY and EM not getting along, I think it could be true because I noticed that in some interviews of Lizz when she was asked about the success of Bewitched, she always answers that it was mainly because of the incredible cast they had, then she mentions Agnes Moorehead, Maurice Evans, Paul Lynde, David White but she never mentions Dick York.

Not mentioning Dick York who was the costar of the show is very strange, that makes me thing that something happened between them.

Anyways, they had a good chemistry on TV and that's what matters.

It’s too bad all of the scuttlebutt emerges after the actors are dead and unable to respond.

There's always been rumors of DY and EM not getting along, I think it could be true because I noticed that in some interviews of Lizz when she was asked about the success of Bewitched, she always answers that it was mainly because of the incredible cast they had, then she mentions Agnes Moorehead, Maurice Evans, Paul Lynde, David White but she never mentions Dick York.

Not mentioning Dick York who was the costar of the show is very strange, that makes me think that something happened between them.

Anyways, they had a good chemistry on TV and that's what matters.

Talking about "Bewitched" and mentioning almost everyone in the cast except for your main co-star is very telling. But I guess if you want to spin it the other way you could say that EM didn't bother mentioning Dick York because it's a given that the two of them and their chemistry were the main reason for the initial success of the show.

That is an asinine extrapolation,i merely stated the facts of his life, nowhere in my comments could such an assumption be made, you are now dismissed!

“Larry Tate”, are you suggesting that Dick York deserved his unhappy fate?

That is an asinine extrapolation,i merely stated the facts of his life, nowhere in my comments could such an assumption be made, you are now dismissed!

I’m sorry.

Talking about "Bewitched" and mentioning almost everyone in the cast except for your main co-star is very telling. But I guess if you want to spin it the other way you could say that EM didn't bother mentioning Dick York because it's a given that the two of them and their chemistry were the main reason for the initial success of the show.

That's silly, you're just trying to defend York desperately but you have no arguments to do it.

EM not mentioning York not even once every time she talks about Bewitched's success while mentioning other actors, is not the only sign that she didn't like him. We have another sign and is EM not commenting about York's death, while she commented Dick Sargent's death.

That's why I think it's true that York was in love with EM, and he made her feel uncomfortable with his behavior, it all makes sense now.

That's silly, you're just trying to defend York desperately but you have no arguments to do it.

EM not mentioning York not even once every time she talks about Bewitched's success while mentioning other actors, is not the only sign that she didn't like him. We have another sign and is EM not commenting about York's death, while she commented Dick Sargent's death.

That's why I think it's true that York was in love with EM, and he made her feel uncomfortable with his behavior, it all makes sense now.

What's "silly" is that you think I'm trying to "desperately" "defend" York. I don't even like Dick York and always preferred Dick Sargent as Darrin, which is pretty evident if one reads almost any of my comments on this board.

Now, I don't expect you or anyone to read my posts, but making a wild accusation like this is laughable, like you'd think anyone would really care that much about how they really felt about each other. I doubt anyone is "desperate" to "defend" any of them.

My comment was merely a way to look at EM's attitude. Unless she has directly stated that she did not like Dick York, no one really knows what motivated her to stay quiet about him. Maybe she was hurt by his attitude or the trouble that he caused, maybe she felt sorry for him, maybe she was very angry with him and just couldn't bring herself to get over it.

My only "argument" is that if Elizabeth Montgomery never said why she didn't talk about Darrin #1 then everything is just speculation. If there is something she said about Dick York out there, I'd be glad to hear about it.

Elizabeth Montgomery did say in a latter interview in her life that she thought "DY was kind of drippy and all wet".

As well other cast members and producers of the show such as Bill Froug stated that he was in love with her and that this really bothered her and made Liz very uncomfortable as she was married and had to be around him all the time on the set.

What's "silly" is that you think I'm trying to "desperately" "defend" York. I don't even like Dick York and always preferred Dick Sargent as Darrin, which is pretty evident if one reads almost any of my comments on this board.

Now, I don't expect you or anyone to read my posts, but making a wild accusation like this is laughable, like you'd think anyone would really care that much about how they really felt about each other. I doubt anyone is "desperate" to "defend" any of them.

My comment was merely a way to look at EM's attitude. Unless she has directly stated that she did not like Dick York, no one really knows what motivated her to stay quiet about him. Maybe she was hurt by his attitude or the trouble that he caused, maybe she felt sorry for him, maybe she was very angry with him and just couldn't bring herself to get over it.

My only "argument" is that if Elizabeth Montgomery never said why she didn't talk about Darrin #1 then everything is just speculation. If there is something she said about Dick York out there, I'd be glad to hear about it.

What's "silly" is that you think I'm trying to "desperately" "defend" York. I don't even like Dick York and always preferred Dick Sargent as Darrin, which is pretty evident if one reads almost any of my comments on this board.

Now, I don't expect you or anyone to read my posts, but making a wild accusation like this is laughable, like you'd think anyone would really care that much about how they really felt about each other. I doubt anyone is "desperate" to "defend" any of them.

My comment was merely a way to look at EM's attitude. Unless she has directly stated that she did not like Dick York, no one really knows what motivated her to stay quiet about him. Maybe she was hurt by his attitude or the trouble that he caused, maybe she felt sorry for him, maybe she was very angry with him and just couldn't bring herself to get over it.

My only "argument" is that if Elizabeth Montgomery never said why she didn't talk about Darrin #1 then everything is just speculation. If there is something she said about Dick York out there, I'd be glad to hear about it.

EM not mentioning York while mentioning other actors when she talks about Bewitchedd's success is very telling, as you said this does not confirm 100% that she didn't like him, but you said that she didn't mention him because "it's a given that the two of them and their chemistry were the main reason for the success of the show" , this is the silliest thing I've red in this forum.

EM not mentioning York while mentioning other actors when she talks about Bewitchedd's success is very telling, as you said this does not confirm 100% that she didn't like him, but you said that she didn't mention him because "it's a given that the two of them and their chemistry were the main reason for the success of the show" , this is the silliest thing I've red in this forum.

I said " But I guess if you want to spin it the other way you could say that EM didn't bother mentioning Dick York because it's a given that the two of them and their chemistry were the main reason for the initial success of the show."

If you want to spin it the other way, as in if you want to reach in the opposite direction of she hated him and therefore didn't mention him. I guess I didn't think I'd have to explain the words "spin it the other way" to anyone, but not so. lol

Now thinking about it further, I don't think of EM as being a bragging sort, and I do think she'd be the type to point out all the other actors who made the show great, instead of talking about herself and Dick York together, and how their on screen chemistry, at least at the start, was what captivated most people who watched Bewitched. (Not me, but most people.)

Oh, so very silly.

Elizabeth Montgomery did say in a latter interview in her life that she thought "DY was kind of drippy and all wet".

As well other cast members and producers of the show such as Bill Froug stated that he was in love with her and that this really bothered her and made Liz very uncomfortable as she was married and had to be around him all the time on the set.

I really don't know what "drippy and all wet," is supposed to mean.

If DY was in love with EM that's just sad, really. EM really managed to hide being "uncomfortable" around DY for filming, and I do see what others have said about that "chemistry" that is absent in the Dick Sargent years. (I still prefer DS, though.)

Didn't EM end up leaving her husband while on "Bewitched," for someone else who worked on the show?

Well obviously "drippy and all wet" is not a compliment and has negative connotations and clearly implies her negative viewpoint on DY.

Their chemistry was not absent re Liz and DS, it was merely different, more loving and affectionate and more believable at that stage of their marriage compared to the more passionate and sexual chemistry she had with DY.

Bill Asher had a long affair with a minor actress for around 5 years, in the middle of season 8 Liz found out, kicked him out and started dating Bewitched director Richard Michaels seen in this photo in season One.

I really don't know what "drippy and all wet," is supposed to mean.

If DY was in love with EM that's just sad, really. EM really managed to hide being "uncomfortable" around DY for filming, and I do see what others have said about that "chemistry" that is absent in the Dick Sargent years. (I still prefer DS, though.)

Didn't EM end up leaving her husband while on "Bewitched," for someone else who worked on the show?

I listened to an interview on The Tom Snyder radio show years ago. Tom Snyder was interviewing EM and had DY call in. They chatted and seemed to be very cordial towards one another. They spoke of times on the set and show and both seemed to be happy talking about their experiences. Maybe that interview buried any hard feeling between either of them. I thought they had great chemistry together. It was a bittersweet interview since Dick York died not to long after it. He was very sick and on oxygen during the interview and sounded very weak.

I listened to an interview on The Tom Snyder radio show years ago. Tom Snyder was interviewing EM and had DY call in. They chatted and seemed to be very cordial towards one another. They spoke of times on the set and show and both seemed to be happy talking about their experiences. Maybe that interview buried any hard feeling between either of them. I thought they had great chemistry together. It was a bittersweet interview since Dick York died not to long after it. He was very sick and on oxygen during the interview and sounded very weak.

That's the nicest thing I've read in a while re: EM and DY. In fact probably most of what I've read on this forum is all negative. And I'm not saying that the negative is untrue, but I'm glad to hear that there's something good out there. It makes more sense that so many years later EM and DY would be cordial towards each other, even if there were issues between them at one point.

Thanks for the info.

Well obviously "drippy and all wet" is not a compliment and has negative connotations and clearly implies her negative viewpoint on DY.

Their chemistry was not absent re Liz and DS, it was merely different, more loving and affectionate and more believable at that stage of their marriage compared to the more passionate and sexual chemistry she had with DY.

Bill Asher had a long affair with a minor actress for around 5 years, in the middle of season 8 Liz found out, kicked him out and started dating Bewitched director Richard Michaels seen in this photo in season One.

Pretty vague, and what could she be referring to if EM said that? How is one "drippy and all wet?" Does that mean overly sentimental, mushy?

I do think of the DS years that way, they'd been married a while and maybe some of the passion is gone but there is still solid love between the characters, and it's evident onscreen. I just prefer the less shrill version of Darrin and that is the DS version, for the most part.

I suppose it's possible that DY knew about BA's affair and maybe thought he had a chance with EM, and that's why he let his alleged feelings be known. Maybe if he stuck around he would have had a chance. It doesn't sound like there were any solid marriages in that group of three.

Pretty vague, and what could she be referring to if EM said that? How is one "drippy and all wet?" Does that mean overly sentimental, mushy?

I do think of the DS years that way, they'd been married a while and maybe some of the passion is gone but there is still solid love between the characters, and it's evident onscreen. I just prefer the less shrill version of Darrin and that is the DS version, for the most part.

I suppose it's possible that DY knew about BA's affair and maybe thought he had a chance with EM, and that's why he let his alleged feelings be known. Maybe if he stuck around he would have had a chance. It doesn't sound like there were any solid marriages in that group of three.



Well, Mr. York's wife Joan DID stay married to him until his death in 1992 after 41 years of marriage and she did not remarry before her own death in 2012 and it was the only marriage for either of them. Hence, I would say that the York marriage proved to be somewhat solid despite any vague onset flirtation he may have had for Miss Montgomery!

What i described between Liz and Asher was in season 8, Bill Froug was talking about season 3 when he was connected to the show, by the time what i was referencing took place DY was long gone from the show by 3 years.

The English language is pretty plain, drippy and all wet is of an offensive and insulting nature.

drippy Slang. revoltingly sentimental; mawkish: another drippy love story.
somebody is all wet
American English informal someone is completely wrong; mistaken.

Pretty vague, and what could she be referring to if EM said that? How is one "drippy and all wet?" Does that mean overly sentimental, mushy?

I do think of the DS years that way, they'd been married a while and maybe some of the passion is gone but there is still solid love between the characters, and it's evident onscreen. I just prefer the less shrill version of Darrin and that is the DS version, for the most part.

I suppose it's possible that DY knew about BA's affair and maybe thought he had a chance with EM, and that's why he let his alleged feelings be known. Maybe if he stuck around he would have had a chance. It doesn't sound like there were any solid marriages in that group of three.

Fake News, never happened.
Elizabeth Montgomery never spoke to or saw DY again after he left the show and Liz was Never interviewed by Tom Snyder.
DY was interviewed once on the radio and they called Liz's home but she was not home according to the maid who answered it.

I listened to an interview on The Tom Snyder radio show years ago. Tom Snyder was interviewing EM and had DY call in. They chatted and seemed to be very cordial towards one another. They spoke of times on the set and show and both seemed to be happy talking about their experiences. Maybe that interview buried any hard feeling between either of them. I thought they had great chemistry together. It was a bittersweet interview since Dick York died not to long after it. He was very sick and on oxygen during the interview and sounded very weak.

I said " But I guess if you want to spin it the other way you could say that EM didn't bother mentioning Dick York because it's a given that the two of them and their chemistry were the main reason for the initial success of the show."

If you want to spin it the other way, as in if you want to reach in the opposite direction of she hated him and therefore didn't mention him. I guess I didn't think I'd have to explain the words "spin it the other way" to anyone, but not so. lol

Now thinking about it further, I don't think of EM as being a bragging sort, and I do think she'd be the type to point out all the other actors who made the show great, instead of talking about herself and Dick York together, and how their on screen chemistry, at least at the start, was what captivated most people who watched Bewitched. (Not me, but most people.)

Oh, so very silly.


Just stop with your nonsense, really. When EM talks about the rest of the cast and she's how good they are she's no talking about herself, she's talking about them.

She could have talked about how good DY was without talking about herself, but she didn't because it's obvious that something happened between them, and probably the reason why she didn't like him it's because DY was in love with her and made her feel uncomfortable with his behavior.

This is NOT fake news. I listened to it and tried to call into the show and could not get in. I do not appreciate you saying that. This happened in the early 90's so it would have been roughly 25 years after Dick York left the show. Tom Snyder had actually promoted that Elizabeth was going to be on. He said it would be a reunion of Samantha and Darrin. I enjoyed his show and listened to it nightly. It came on in the late night hours.

It is Fake News and i don't appreciate you lying and making this up to create a false narrative to promote whatever agenda you may have.

I would ask you to prove it but then again you can't be asked to prove a non sequitur.

Fake News, never happened.
Elizabeth Montgomery never spoke to or saw DY again after he left the show and Liz was Never interviewed by Tom Snyder.
DY was interviewed once on the radio and they called Liz's home but she was not home according to the maid who answered it.

DY's wife can confirm this as a fact.

This is NOT fake news. I listened to it and tried to call into the show and could not get in. I do not appreciate you saying that.

I would not make this up. I love the show "Bewitched" and especially Elizabeth Montgomery. Just because you did not hear or listen to it does not make it fake news. I am not trying to stir up anything I was just adding to a conversation.

Just stop with your nonsense, really. When EM talks about the rest of the cast and she's how good they are she's no talking about herself, she's talking about them.

She could have talked about how good DY was without talking about herself, but she didn't because it's obvious that something happened between them, and probably the reason why she didn't like him it's because DY was in love with her and made her feel uncomfortable with his behavior.

Nah...l will express any opinion I want and you can like it or you can leave it. Or you can have a tantrum about it.

Whichever. Your choice. :happyface

No you are adding lies to the conversation and it is Fake news, if it had happened i would know about it.
It as well has been widely reported that after his collapse on the set of Bewitched Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York never spoke to or ever saw each other again or interacted in any manner.


I would not make this up. I love the show "Bewitched" and especially Elizabeth Montgomery. Just because you did not hear or listen to it does not make it fake news. I am not trying to stir up anything I was just adding to a conversation.

Believe what you want but I know the truth. Probably most of what you have said is Fake News.

Season 8 EM found out about an affair that you state had been going on for 5 years. That would mean affair was happening since around season 3, when DY was still on the show. It's quite possible that many on the show knew about this affair - wife's always the last to know, but many of her co-workers may have known, including DY.

Sentimental to a fault, there are worse ways to describe someone.

What i described between Liz and Asher was in season 8, Bill Froug was talking about season 3 when he was connected to the show, by the time what i was referencing took place DY was long gone from the show by 3 years.

The English language is pretty plain, drippy and all wet is of an offensive and insulting nature.

drippy Slang. revoltingly sentimental; mawkish: another drippy love story.
somebody is all wet
American English informal someone is completely wrong; mistaken.

Well, Mr. York's wife Joan DID stay married to him until his death in 1992 after 41 years of marriage and she did not remarry before her own death in 2012 and it was the only marriage for either of them. Hence, I would say that the York marriage proved to be somewhat solid despite any vague onset flirtation he may have had for Miss Montgomery!

Yeah, it's nice that they stayed together, it's a fact, and much of the rest is rumours and gossip. I don't know what went on behind the scenes. I can speculate along with the rest, but I definitely don't know.

And now with conflicting comments just within this thread, I guess none of it really matters. It was their business and they're all gone now.

No that would be about late season 4 when Asher started, in the later years of it yes most knew and yes she was the last to know.

Drippy and all wet is not a good look and basically a verbal description tantamount to making a face after taking some castor oil.

Season 8 EM found out about an affair that you state had been going on for 5 years. That would mean affair was happening since around season 3, when DY was still on the show. It's quite possible that many on the show knew about this affair - wife's always the last to know, but many of her co-workers may have known, including DY.

Sentimental to a fault, there are worse ways to describe someone.

Yes i believe you are a delusional Yorkie who most likely believes it but it Never happened that is a fact, they never had ANY interaction whatsoever after Yorks collapse on the Bewitched set!
Liz was not present at that time either i might add.

I remember an ET interview DY did a few months before he passed, he was haggard, in a wheel chair with Oxygen tubes up his nose and he spoke glowingly about Bewitched and Liz
and stated they never talked again after Bewitched but that if they had it would be as if no time had passed when they were Darrin and Samantha.
I have it in my collection.

Believe what you want but I know the truth. Probably most of what you have said is Fake News.

This is NOT fake news. I listened to it and tried to call into the show and could not get in. I do not appreciate you saying that. This happened in the early 90's so it would have been roughly 25 years after Dick York left the show. Tom Snyder had actually promoted that Elizabeth was going to be on. He said it would be a reunion of Samantha and Darrin. I enjoyed his show and listened to it nightly. It came on in the late night hours.

You made your lie even bigger now, because if that interaction of EM and DY during an interview happened in the 90s, then that video would be all over the internet.

So stop lying dude, that just never happen, you're lying

Fake news, go take a Prozac,maybe borrow one from your cat, there probably stronger.
I repeat Elizabeth Montgomery was NEVER on the Tom Snyder show and she and DY never met, talked, interacted or communicated ever again after his collapse on the set,deal with it.

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This is NOT fake news. I listened to it and tried to call into the show and could not get in. I do not appreciate you saying that. This happened in the early 90's so it would have been roughly 25 years after Dick York left the show. Tom Snyder had actually promoted that Elizabeth was going to be on. He said it would be a reunion of Samantha and Darrin. I enjoyed his show and listened to it nightly. It came on in the late night hours.[/QUOTE]

There's a book written by Dick York called "The seesaw girl and me"

In this book Dick York talks mainly about his wife, but he also talks about Elizabeth Montgomery. This is what York says about her:

"I first fell in love with Elizabeth Montgomery by leg distance. No, that’s not a typographical error, it’s not long distance. By leg distance. I’d seen her on an Alfred Hitchcock or a Thriller or one of those shows with Tom Poston and I thought, “My God, what a pretty dark-haired girl, and those legs, oh my God.” Hmm. Confession time, Elizabeth."

I walked in to read for Bewitched and Liz was sitting outside the office, too, reading — Memoirs of Anais Nin or, I don’t know, but by some chance I happened to be reading the same thing at the same time. I sat down and said, “Enjoying that?” She unfolded those gorgeous legs and looked at me, and I saw her in person for the first time. She had full lips and dark, soft hair. She was sex all over. Still are, Lizzie. You still are. I’ve seen you lately, you’ve still got that certain thing."



This pretty much confirms the rumors of York being in love with Lizz, so it must be true as well that Lizz was uncomfortable with York's behavior, and that she wanted York gone from Bewitched since the third season.

York must have behaved like a cretin if he bothered Lizz to the point she wanted him gone.

What do you think about York's words about Lizz?

Well, his own words proved that he acted lecherous.

I don't believe for a moment that she wanted him gone after the 3rd season, doesn't sound plausible to me, probably some nonsense created by DY haters. If his actions were really so bad, then I imagine something would have been done about it. The reason York left the series after season 5 is because his health declined to the point where he couldn't continue anymore. Anyway, no one cares about these EM/DY rumors now, it's old news/speculation from over 50 years ago, both of them have long since passed away. The thread starter asked what people think so I'll say that Dick York didn't have great taste in women if he really was in love with the mediocre looking Elizabeth Montgomery. :p

Two paragraphs admitting that he found Miss Montgomery attractive out of an entire book which mostly focused on his wife who he stayed married to virtually his whole adult life! Actions spoke louder than words

Sorry, but I'm not ready to get out the pitchforks over this!

I agree with all that you said, those that say actions speak louder then words are missing the point that it takes two to tango and Liz's total disdain for him left him out in the cold on that count leaving him to play out the fact by himself, probably by himself.

He clearly was infatuated with her and his constant staring and mooning at her made her uncomfortable as it would any woman in any workplace.
All women on this board can understand and relate to these truths as well of how they would feel if treated in this manner in their workplace and any guy here if it was some guy behaving in such a manner.

If she was interested i am sure he would have cheated in a heartbeat and clearly his infatuation with her never ended as is proven by his comments 25 years later.

As for the delusional Yorkies who are getting their panties in a bunch over all of this, their views don't count next to the views that do count, those that were actually there such as William Froug, crew members and the words of Liz herself.

She called him drippy and all kind of wet, that says it all in my view.

There's a book written by Dick York called "The seesaw girl and me"

In this book Dick York talks mainly about his wife, but he also talks about Elizabeth Montgomery. This is what York says about her:

"I first fell in love with Elizabeth Montgomery by leg distance. No, that’s not a typographical error, it’s not long distance. By leg distance. I’d seen her on an Alfred Hitchcock or a Thriller or one of those shows with Tom Poston and I thought, “My God, what a pretty dark-haired girl, and those legs, oh my God.” Hmm. Confession time, Elizabeth."

I walked in to read for Bewitched and Liz was sitting outside the office, too, reading — Memoirs of Anais Nin or, I don’t know, but by some chance I happened to be reading the same thing at the same time. I sat down and said, “Enjoying that?” She unfolded those gorgeous legs and looked at me, and I saw her in person for the first time. She had full lips and dark, soft hair. She was sex all over. Still are, Lizzie. You still are. I’ve seen you lately, you’ve still got that certain thing."



This pretty much confirms the rumors of York being in love with Lizz, so it must be truth as well that Lizz was uncomfortable with York's behavior, and that she wanted York gone from Bewitched since the third season.

York must have behaved like a cretin if he bothered Lizz to the point she wanted him gone.

What do you think about York's words about Lizz?

Your the sick delusional hater of Elizabeth Montgomery lashing out at a woman in her grave with ugly & disgusting words that are clearly false lies.

Everything stated about York is from first hand information from those that were there, your just making Sh*t up in your head because you can't deal with these facts and truths about York having feet of clay.

Liz wanted him gone after season three, that is from first hand corroborated facts from those that were actually there on the set at the time, deal with it.

Your hate filled diatribes against Elizabeth Montgomery confirm for all to see that as Darrin was when shrunk to tiny size, you are a very very very small little man of little or no substance.

As for who cares you seem to care to an inordinate extent about this subject matter and how it presents Dick York as to what kind of person he was.

Elizabeth Montgomery was and is and always will be a stunningly beautiful and gorgeous woman inside and out and your twisted attempts to present a false narrative does nothing to change that fact jack.

Asher let him stay until his collapse on the set because he was good for the show, Liz wanted him gone after season three.
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I don't believe for a moment that she wanted him gone after the 3rd season, doesn't sound plausible to me, probably some nonsense created by DY haters. If his actions were really so bad, then I imagine something would have been done about it. The reason York left the series after season 5 is because his health declined to the point where he couldn't continue anymore. Anyway, no one cares about these EM/DY rumors now, it's old news/speculation from over 50 years ago, both of them have long since passed away. The thread starter asked what people think so I'll say that Dick York didn't have great taste in women if he really was in love with the mediocre looking Elizabeth Montgomery. :p

Oh no!! Larry Tate showed up here! :D Looks like this thread will end up being closed too!!!:lol:

Two paragraphs admitting that he found Miss Montgomery attractive out of an entire book which mostly focused on his wife who he stayed married to virtually his whole adult life! Actions spoke louder than words

Sorry, but I'm not ready to get out the pitchforks over this!


He said he fell in love with Lizz, what else you need to to admit that York was in love with her? This is not a rumor, this is something York himself has said

I don't believe for a moment that she wanted him gone after the 3rd season, doesn't sound plausible to me, probably some nonsense created by DY haters. If his actions were really so bad, then I imagine something would have been done about it. The reason York left the series after season 5 is because his health declined to the point where he couldn't continue anymore. Anyway, no one cares about these EM/DY rumors now, it's old news/speculation from over 50 years ago, both of them have long since passed away. The thread starter asked what people think so I'll say that Dick York didn't have great taste in women if he really was in love with the mediocre looking Elizabeth Montgomery. :p


York also said he and Lizz got along in the first two seasons, he said that something changed in the third season and their relation was never the same again. So this makes me believe that Lizz wanted him gone since the third season, and obviously it was because he made her feel uncomfortable with his inmature behavior

You know i was going to reply to your inane comment but you didn't say anything of a cognizant or sentient nature, that is NOT fair and puts me at a disadvantage when i am a sentient and cognitive human being and you are not.!

Yorkie advocates are invariably a classic Star Trek moment where Capt.Kirk turns to Mr.Spock as he says
"Beam me up Scottie, there is no intelligent life down here.
:wave::happyface:lol::crazy::crazy::lol::happyface

Oh no!! Larry Tate showed up here! :D Looks like this thread will end up being closed too!!!:lol:

York also said he and Lizz got along in the first two seasons, he said that something changed in the third season and their relation was never the same again. So this makes me believe that Lizz wanted him gone since the third season, and obviously it was because he made her feel uncomfortable with his inmature behavior

Maybe so, but just because he said something changed in the 3rd season and their relationship wasn't the same doesn't necessarily apply that it was 100 percent his fault. What I'm saying is, blame could be on both sides, partly him and partly her.

There is no basis to have any blame directed at her, there is at him.
But then i guess you would assign partial blame to the rape victim along with the rapist as well, that is after all the MO that you are presenting!!
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Maybe so, but just because he said something changed in the 3rd season and their relationship wasn't the same doesn't necessarily apply that it was 100 percent his fault. What I'm saying is, blame could be on both sides, partly him and partly her.

Maybe so, but just because he said something changed in the 3rd season and their relationship wasn't the same doesn't necessarily apply that it was 100 percent his fault. What I'm saying is, blame could be on both sides, partly him and partly her.


Yeah but York admitting he was in love with her, it's clear that his crush for Lizz it's what caused their problems.

Besides, why should Lizz be blamed for York being in love with her and making her feel uncomfortable by his unacceptable behavior?

The way Yorks talks about Lizz in his book, it's clear that not only he was in love with her, he was crazily infatuated with her, and his infatuation made him do things that he shouldn't have done, so you can't blame Lizz, it was all York's fault.

Two paragraphs admitting that he found Miss Montgomery attractive out of an entire book which mostly focused on his wife who he stayed married to virtually his whole adult life! Actions spoke louder than words

Sorry, but I'm not ready to get out the pitchforks over this!

It seems like a natural comment to make, especially if there was nothing behind it, no bad behavior. If DY had behaved badly or inappropriately towards EM he probably would have been less likely to make a comment about her beauty and appeal in a book.

But, who knows?

Many TV series have issues between the talent, let's face it, this is an industry of super fueled egos. I don't deny for a second that there were some very serious issues between Montgomery and York, but I seriously doubt romantic interest had much if anything to do with it.

Now that said, I do believe the two had completely different views with respect to storylines and how their characters were to be portrayed. Montgomery saw the series as her starring vehicle, Elizabeth Montgomery in Bewitched. York saw the series as Bewitched starring Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York. In the world of show business what I just described is January and June, big difference and big problems. There were similar problems on the I Dream of Jeannie set, Larry Hagman saw himself as the star of the series (he was the I in the title). I think this issue churned many of the problems on the Bewitched set. York is funny, and the show was a huge hit, the writers probably went with what they thought worked best on the show, and the writers may have felt more comfortable building a great deal of the comedy around his reactions. He may have wanted to be treated as a star of equal importance and compensated accordingly, that didn't happen and there may have been a perception on the part of Montgomery and the production team that he was acting out with respect to the various health issues.

I also don't doubt that Montgomery would have been happier with Sargent from the start, he and Montgomery saw eye to eye on the Darrin role, this part was to be a supporting role to Samantha who was the lead character. Montgomery probably enjoyed playing the role the last few years because her character was the clear lead character (the show centered around her). There's nothing new here, this goes on behind the scenes on TV series all the time.

That said, the show was much better when York was in it. In the early 90's Nick At Nite took a viewer preference poll, York's Darrin received 87%, Sargent's a microscopic 13%.
Steve Hoffman took a poll in 2009 and it was even more lopsided, 94.9% preferred York over Sargent. Neither poll is scientific but I think they honestly represent what a vast majority of the audience felt.

Bewitched lost a great deal of its audience during the Sargent years, now to be fair the show had a long run and there may have been a contributing fatigue factor on the part of the audience.

He said he fell in love with Lizz, what else you need to to admit that York was in love with her? This is not a rumor, this is something York himself has said

You started this thread by asking us what we thought about the late Mr. York's written words and I told you what I thought. You don't have to agree but you do have to accept that not everyone's going to read the very same passage and have the very same interpretation!

Yes, Mr. York was attracted to Miss Montgomery and admitted it via calling it 'love' but it was clearly just an attraction rather than actual love - since even by the passages you shared with us, there wasn't the slightest indication he considered divorcing/leaving his wife for her -and, as I've said he STAYED married for 41 years to his death . Hence, actions speak much louder than two paragraphs waxing about how attractive he thought his costar was! I don't think he ever intended to act upon said attraction but he was willing to acknowledge it since I'm sure he knew folks would have found it hard to believe he had NOT been attracted to her. Virtually every person who has ever married is not above being attracted to those besides their spouses but that doesn't mean that they don't have REAL love for their spouses (which I'm certain the Yorks had for each other).

I'll bet Miss Montgomery herself was attracted to men besides just the four men she chose to marry but that doesn't mean she acted (or was willing to act) on every single attraction she ever had in her life.

I think at most Miss Montgomery was annoyed but NOT intimidated by Mr. York's attraction to her- and I think perhaps she knew it helped make the chemistry of the show work as well as it did.

I also think Mr. York's chronic debilities hurt and delayed the show's production as they became worse so it's likely by Season Three Miss Montgomery simply was worried they'd overwhelm the show which would have affected not just her own but the livelihoods of every single regular cast member and crew person and as time went on she decided that if he ever became unable to continue the role, she'd accept a new performer playing the role for the good of the stability of her job.

Good posts by Duster76 and PracTz, well said, I agree with both. I agree that any differences DY and EM might have had were likely related to the making of the TV show, storylines, how their characters were portayed, things like that. Nothing more. If DY really behaved inappropriate on the Bewitched set and made EM feel uncomfortable, I imagine this would have made the news circuit and resulted in some disciplinary measures taken. I'd like to see a legitimate magazine or newspaper article from around the 1966-67 timeframe/3rd season of Bewitched when this alleged behavior was supposed to have taken place, an article that specifically mentions DY having inappropriate conduct, but I doubt there's such an article because the behavior didn't happen.

Many TV series have issues between the talent, let's face it, this is an industry of super fueled egos. I don't deny for a second that there were some very serious issues between Montgomery and York, but I seriously doubt romantic interest had much if anything to do with it.

Now that said, I do believe the two had completely different views with respect to storylines and how their characters were to be portrayed. Montgomery saw the series as her starring vehicle, Elizabeth Montgomery in Bewitched. York saw the series as Bewitched starring Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York. In the world of show business what I just described is January and June, big difference and big problems. There were similar problems on the I Dream of Jeannie set, Larry Hagman saw himself as the star of the series (he was the I in the title). I think this issue churned many of the problems on the Bewitched set. York is funny, and the show was a huge hit, the writers probably went with what they thought worked best on the show, and the writers may have felt more comfortable building a great deal of the comedy around his reactions. He may have wanted to be treated as a star of equal importance and compensated accordingly, that didn't happen and there may have been a perception on the part of Montgomery and the production team that he was acting out with respect to the various health issues.

I also don't doubt that Montgomery would have been happier with Sargent from the start, he and Montgomery saw eye to eye on the Darrin role, this part was to be a supporting role to Samantha who was the lead character. Montgomery probably enjoyed playing the role the last few years because her character was the clear lead character (the show centered around her). There's nothing new here, this goes on behind the scenes on TV series all the time.

That said, the show was much better when York was in it. In the early 90's Nick At Nite took a viewer preference poll, York's Darrin received 87%, Sargent's a microscopic 13%.
Steve Hoffman took a poll in 2009 and it was even more lopsided, 94.9% preferred York over Sargent. Neither poll is scientific but I think they honestly represent what a vast majority of the audience felt.

Bewitched lost a great deal of its audience during the Sargent years, now to be fair the show had a long run and there may have been a contributing fatigue factor on the part of the audience.

According to producers and crew members of Bewitched, the problems between Lizz and York was his infatuation with her, so I have to believe them over anybody who has never been in the series.

I'm curious about where did you get that stuff from, I mean, has somebody who is close to Lizz or York, said that they had tensions because of their egos? or you're just making things up?

According to producers and crew members of Bewitched, the problems between Lizz and York was his infatuation with her, so I have to believe them over anybody who has never been in the series.

I'm curious about where did you get that stuff from, I mean, has somebody who is close to Lizz or York, said that they had tensions because of their egos? or you're just making things up?

The problems I discussed are very common on TV series, its not unusual. As I wrote, they were having similar problems on the I Dream of Jeannie set with Larry Hagman.

That said, you have every right to believe anything you want.

This article speaks to much of what you reference.
They are actually referring to the sick out York did early in season 4 when he was hurt and missed 2 episodes after aggravating his back injury but then milked it for another episode trying to pressure the Ashers and Screen Gems into giving him a huge raise comparable to what Liz had as well as part ownership and co-equal star billing and control of the creative aspect of the show.

It was a power grab in effect on his part, it failed and the Ashers and SG actually suspended him for an episode that he missed that he could have been a part of and asked to be allowed to returned to do.

He actually still had 2 years at the time on his contract that he attempted to rewrite in the way i have outlined, his attempt was an utter failure and he was forced to honor his contract as is.

So you can imagine how Liz felt about all that, his trying to in part steal her show from her, that all had to greatly contribute to her negative feelings towards DY and exasperated her negative reaction to his mooning over and at her.

He was very popular with the original generation of Bewitched fans that count the most the & although they are not as vocal as the Yorkie's they exist just as much to the same extent.

Although the ratings which are a relative thing to other shows did go down, the actual number of Households & people watching Bewitched were actually higher in the DS years then the early DY years for example.

As well the changeover prior to season 6 was not publicised & was largely unknown to the Bewitched Fan base till it happened. So when the fans tuned in to see the first episode of Season 6 they were expecting to still see DY, the ratings for this episode where they were tuning in to see DY were exactly the same as they were for the rest of the season when when they were tuning in to see DS, as they knew of the switch after seeing the first episode.

As well after the switchover there was no reaction from Bewitched fans, nobody called or wrote & cared or had a problem with it.This according to Screen Gems executives of the time like Bill Asher, Harry Ackermen, Richard Baer & Richard Michaels.

Thank goodness that the show did not end after season 5, that would have been a huge mistake & instead it should have been as it was done with the show continuing onwards for 3 more Wonderful Seasons.

Many TV series have issues between the talent, let's face it, this is an industry of super fueled egos. I don't deny for a second that there were some very serious issues between Montgomery and York, but I seriously doubt romantic interest had much if anything to do with it.

Now that said, I do believe the two had completely different views with respect to storylines and how their characters were to be portrayed. Montgomery saw the series as her starring vehicle, Elizabeth Montgomery in Bewitched. York saw the series as Bewitched starring Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York. In the world of show business what I just described is January and June, big difference and big problems. There were similar problems on the I Dream of Jeannie set, Larry Hagman saw himself as the star of the series (he was the I in the title). I think this issue churned many of the problems on the Bewitched set. York is funny, and the show was a huge hit, the writers probably went with what they thought worked best on the show, and the writers may have felt more comfortable building a great deal of the comedy around his reactions. He may have wanted to be treated as a star of equal importance and compensated accordingly, that didn't happen and there may have been a perception on the part of Montgomery and the production team that he was acting out with respect to the various health issues.

I also don't doubt that Montgomery would have been happier with Sargent from the start, he and Montgomery saw eye to eye on the Darrin role, this part was to be a supporting role to Samantha who was the lead character. Montgomery probably enjoyed playing the role the last few years because her character was the clear lead character (the show centered around her). There's nothing new here, this goes on behind the scenes on TV series all the time.

That said, the show was much better when York was in it. In the early 90's Nick At Nite took a viewer preference poll, York's Darrin received 87%, Sargent's a microscopic 13%.
Steve Hoffman took a poll in 2009 and it was even more lopsided, 94.9% preferred York over Sargent. Neither poll is scientific but I think they honestly represent what a vast majority of the audience felt.

Bewitched lost a great deal of its audience during the Sargent years, now to be fair the show had a long run and there may have been a contributing fatigue factor on the part of the audience.

If able to work would Dick York have been offered a new contract after Season 5?

This is a difficult question to answer, it really could be taken in either direction with one or the other
being just as likely as the other to be the answer to it.

After Season 3 William Froug the producer that season said that Elizabeth Montgomery wanted Dick York fired
and replaced as Darrin, both William Asher & Harry Ackerman thought he was so good in the role that and the show was
going so well with the present cast wanted to keep the status co.

They managed to talk Liz into letting York keep the part.
The question is that after season 5 if York had not had to quiet due to physical ailments would William Asher & Harry Ackerman
felt as strongly about keeping him or would they have been more willing to go along with Liz's request he be replaced.

They may have been more sympathetic to Liz's view, as well if they felt York's health problems were getting worse they may have felt now was
the time to cut the cord as well as per their concern of the money it was costing Screen Gems and the Asher's as time is money in the Biz and York's inconsistent
availability affected production schedules and crew idling time caused lost income to all that owned the show.

I am sure it occurred to them that he could only go on so long and that if they signed him up for 4 more seasons and he broke down as he indeed did
,then they could find themselves without a Darrin as in deed happened in season 5, so their concern on such a event taking place would have affected their
view on the matter resulting in their switching and going with Liz on this one.

It has been stated as well that ABC wanted York out for quite some time for much the same reason.
However this would have been more to the tune of the instability he caused on their flagship show that so much
of their profit was based on, he in their view was a threat to the show by his absence at times and by their not knowing
on any given week if he was going to be able to make it to work that week.

I assume ABC paid a flat rate to Screen Gems per episode so if York caused any episodes to be more expensive
by his inconsistency in availability, then that would have been on Screen Gems dime not ABC's.

Liz most likely still felt the same way for the same reasons and would have wished him out as Darrin.

It well might be that his still being only in year 3 of 5 of his contract had contributed to his being kept on in 1967, but with his contract having expired after season 5 that the powers that be may well have felt that simply not renewing his contract rather then firing him would give them cover from the press and fans in letting him go after season 5.

Even if he managed to deal with his back problems through the end of season 5, this all could well have resulted in Dick York being fired and not being offered a new contract, unlike all the other cast members who of course were offered new contracts and were resigned.

At the same time it is quite possible that what had irked Liz in 1967 had faded in her mind and that she would be willing to continue to work with Dick York as she had in the two previous seasons after her request that he be replaced, after all she had problems with Dick York for most of the first 5 years of the show re his availability and yet she and Asher were willing to keep him on the show for the good of the show, this view in Liz's mind may have become paramount once again leading to his getting a new contract.

William Asher and Harry Ackerman could well have still felt the same way on the matter as in 1967 and insisted he be resigned for the good of the show.

ABC could well have felt that he had made it through 5 years so there was no reason to think that would not continue and after all it was on Screen Gems dime not theirs.

As a result if he could have held up a few more months Dick York could well have been offered a new contract with no additional creative power or billing but with a good sized raise for his work well done.

As i say it could go either way one as likely as the other, and one can't know what the truth is about what lay before him if he did not have to quit, unless Andy Ackermen or perhaps Richard Michaels come forward to illustrate the truth in this matter we shall be forever wondering as to the answer to this question.

Myself i don't think York coming back or not had any impact on Elizabeth Montgomery's decision on continuing the show or not.

In the end i believe the concern they had about Dick York's future availability and that his back condition might deteriorate would have let Bill Asher & Harry Ackerman to side with Elizabeth Montgomery and with ABC agreeing have Dick York fired and not offered a new contract and have him replaced as Darrin.

An interesting sub plot to this is that near the end of season four Dick York pulled a Larry Hagman style power & $$$$ grab trying to get a lot more of both with a sick out that was disingenuous in nature.

Basically he hurt his back in a fall and when it was ok after 2 weeks he milked it for several more trying to force a new long term contract when he still had a year to go.

This was not well received by Liz and Bill who spoke publicly in an interview on the matter and expressed the view that York was trying to pull a fast one at that time, he even offered to take York to the Hospital to get him looked at by specialists with York declining the offer.

When it looked at that time that he might be replaced with hints from Screen Gems that if the role was too much for him physically then he should just stay home for good he made a swift recovery.

He wanted to report to the set right away but was told by the producers that they were already committed to a Non-Darrin script costing him several thousand $$$ for the episode he missed.

A Majority of Two was the one i am referencing here that he was in effect banned from the set and prevented from doing even when he indicated he could.

Point being that there could well have been some additional resentment on behalf of Liz, Bill & Harry Ackerman towards Dick York as a result of his sickout that would have made them think differently towards his unreliability and from that if they were willing to put up with it and resign him after season five.

Your wrong , there was no social media at the time, the magazines were fan magazines that were nothing but glorified fluff more often then not and studio driven PR, so such articles would not have been written at the time even by columnists like Rona Barrett for example, it was a quieter more peaceful and artist friendly era, nobody wanted to kill the goose that laid the golden sitcom.

Good posts by Duster76 and PracTz, well said, I agree with both. I agree that any differences DY and EM might have had were likely related to the making of the TV show, storylines, how their characters were portayed, things like that. Nothing more. If DY really behaved inappropriate on the Bewitched set and made EM feel uncomfortable, I imagine this would have made the news circuit and resulted in some disciplinary measures taken. I'd like to see a legitimate magazine or newspaper article from around the 1966-67 timeframe/3rd season of Bewitched when this alleged behavior was supposed to have taken place, an article that specifically mentions DY having inappropriate conduct, but I doubt there's such an article because the behavior didn't happen.

Good posts by Duster76 and PracTz, well said, I agree with both. I agree that any differences DY and EM might have had were likely related to the making of the TV show, storylines, how their characters were portayed, things like that. Nothing more. If DY really behaved inappropriate on the Bewitched set and made EM feel uncomfortable, I imagine this would have made the news circuit and resulted in some disciplinary measures taken.

Lizz wanted York fired because of his inappropriate behavior. And Lizz's request played a big rol in not letting York come back to the show after the injury despite him wanting to return

Lizz wanted York fired because of his inappropriate behavior. And Lizz's request played a big rol in not letting York come back to the show after the injury despite him wanting to return

After York collapsed on the set while filming the episode Daddy Does His Thing, at that point wasn't it a mutual decision between York and Asher that York was no longer able to continue doing the series? As far as I know, after York's collapse, he said he was done and couldn't continue his role in the series with no desire to return.

Was Dick York Fired or did he resign?
Although i think Dick York would have been fired by both Screen Gems and ABC after his initial 5 year contract expired, i do believe Bill Asher when he said on the day of his collapse that Dick York simply resigned from the show that day.

The delays caused by his absences and the uncertainty of his being able to work any given week due to his back condition cost both ABC & Screen Gems a fair bit of money, so i think they would have been inclined to cut their loses at that point.

Later the following year in late spring Dick York did re-approach Screen Gems and ABC about returning to the cast as Darrin.

He had asked to be allowed a sabbatical till that September to allow his back to heal at which point filming of his scenes would have recommenced.

By that point though Screen Gems had recast Darrin and signed Dick Sargent for the role, in fact 3 or 4 episodes had already been filmed by that point in time and were in the can so to speak.

As well Liz & Bill and Screen Gems did not believe that the time off would make any difference knowing full well the extent of Dick Yorks back problems and how difficult it had been for him all those years.

They correctly believed that he would still be incapacitated after his time off and would be unable to work.

This would have left Bewitched in the Lurch without a Darrin and with most likely all the best candidates no longer available forcing them to take whatever they could get.

They proved to be right as after Dick York's collapse in early December, 1968 he was bedridden and only semi lucid for for more then a year so obviously would have been unable to film scenes for Bewitched in September, 1969.

He was never again able to physically work for any sustained period of time, so the time off would have accomplished nothing.

That summer after he had been rebuffed by the Ashers and Screen Gems he said in an article that he was glad to have left the show and wanted to play other roles, that he felt he was improperly and underused as Darrin and that the atmosphere on the set was very unpleasant.

Talk about burning your bridges, that alone made any further expectation of any contact between Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York in the future unrealistic and not rational.

Why would anyone rush to that aid of someone who in your last interaction with them had slapped you in the face.

Interestingly Dick York in interviews near the end of his life in the 1990's still claimed if they had just given him that summer off he could have finished the run of the show.

So he was clearly in denial on that matter all of his life.

It is sad he was not able to finish the run of the series, it would have been great and preferable if he could have, but it simply was not possible.

At least we do have his wonderful performances of the first 4 2/3 seasons of the show to enjoy over and over, they are all timeless those episodes and never get old.

After York collapsed on the set while filming the episode Daddy Does His Thing, at that point wasn't it a mutual decision between York and Asher that York was no longer able to continue doing the series? As far as I know, after York's collapse, he said he was done and couldn't continue his role in the series with no desire to return.

IAfter York collapsed on the set while filming the episode Daddy Does His Thing, at that point wasn't it a mutual decision between York and Asher that York was no longer able to continue doing the series? As far as I know, after York's collapse, he said he was done and couldn't continue his role in the series with no desire to return.York had asked to be allowed a sabbatical till that September to allow his back to heal

He was told no & understandably so and he did that interview about this as well as saying he was not appreciated on the show, that the atmosphere was very negative on the Bewitched set and that he now was happy to be moving on, this is documented fact.

But the thing is, you say that it's not true York was in love with Lizz and made her feel uncomfortable only because he wasn't fired. Man, Lizz wanted him fired, she requested for York to be out of Bewitched.

So Lizz requesting York to get fired proves that he annoyed her with his unacceptable behavior

Lizz requesting York to get fired proves that he annoyed her with his unacceptable behavior

If he would have committed some behavior that was way out of line, then I imagine he would have been dismissed and replaced, they wouldn't have waited around. If EM really wanted DY gone after season 3, the reason wasn't necessarily 100 percent because of his behavior, she might also have been considering his health and back issues, concerned that one day he might be unable to continue his role in the series (which is eventually what happened anyway) and then they'd be without a Darrin. So maybe her idea was to replace him with another actor before his health/back problems got too serious.

Here's a question: Would Dick Sargent have been available to assume and take over the role of Darrin for season 4, 1967-68, or was he not available because of working on another project/other projects?

I believe that was the year he was starring in The Tammy Grimes Show.

I believe that was the year he was starring in The Tammy Grimes Show.

The very short lived Tammy Grimes Show was part of the previous TV season, 1966-67, so if Dick Sargent was busy in 1967-68 it wasn't with The Tammy Grimes Show.

The website IMDb shows that Dick Sargent was in an episode of Accidental Family in 1967, also in an episode of The Rat Patrol in 1968, looks like he also was in a few movies in 1968 so I guess that's what he was busy doing during that time frame.

Dick Sargent on the Tammy Grimes show was in the fall of 1966 for 3 months, so they were finished shooting in the early fall 1966 when the show was canceled after 14 episodes of which only 4 were shown on TV.

So yes DS would have been available to replace DY if he was fired at any point in season 4 or during or prior to the shooting season in the summer of 1967.

I believe that was the year he was starring in The Tammy Grimes Show.

If he would have committed some behavior that was way out of line, then I imagine he would have been dismissed and replaced, they wouldn't have waited around. If EM really wanted DY gone after season 3, the reason wasn't necessarily 100 percent because of his behavior, she might also have been considering his health and back issues, concerned that one day he might be unable to continue his role in the series (which is eventually what happened anyway) and then they'd be without a Darrin. So maybe her idea was to replace him with another actor before his health/back problems got too serious.

Here's a question: Would Dick Sargent have been available to assume and take over the role of Darrin for season 4, 1967-68, or was he not available because of working on another project/other projects?

You're just making assumptions to try to defend York at ant cost. The thing is producers and crew members of Bewitched have stated that York had a crush for Lizz and annoyed her with his behavior. So deal with it

The only reason they didn't fire York was because they thought he was too good for the role and they knew ratings would decline if they replaced a main character like him.

And also there are another signs of that, such as Lizz mentioning other members of the cast while talking about Bewitched success and never mentioning York, besides Lizz commented Sargent's death but didn't say anything about York's death. Also once York suffered the injury in the set he and Lizz never talked again, Lizz didn't go to visit him in the hospital and didn't call to see how he was doing.

All those things prove that there were tensions between Lizz and York , and according to people who was in the show and according to York himself, he was in love with her.

So all the signs point to York making Lizz feel uncomfortable with his silly behavior. Deal with it

MonLiz,

I think others made a good case for why Mr. York's galloping debilities and unreasonable demands made in lieu of them until he could no longer work (which caused problems for the entire workplace) likely were the most direct cause for any problems between himself and Miss Montgomery.

And, I'd like to remind everyone that Mr. York's two paragraphs waxing about how he found Miss Montgomery attractive didn't compare to (much less derail) the 41 years of marriage he shared with Mrs. York until his own death!

You don't have to agree or like that there are others don't share your theory that Miss Montgomery's less-than-glowing view of Mr. York was mainly or solely due to Mr. York's alleged lusting for Miss Montgomery but please try to learn to accept that not everyone is going to agree with that theory- just as I accept that you do subscribe to that theory even though I don't agree with it.

You're just making assumptions to try to defend York at ant cost. The thing is producers and crew members of Bewitched have stated that York had a crush for Lizz and annoyed her with his behavior.

The only reason they didn't fire York was because they thought he was too good for the role and they knew ratings would decline if they replaced a main character like him.

You sure seem obsessed with this idea of DY being in love with EM and pestering her on the Bewitched set, you won't let it go, the other thread was closed so you go and start another one. :crazy: And the way it's going, this thread will be closed too. :lol:

I will repeat, if DY had behaved on the set in a manner that was way out of line, then I imagine he would have been dismissed and replaced, they wouldn't have waited around, this "too good in the role of Darrin to be replaced" wouldn't have mattered. I believe any friction between DY and EM likely had more to do with power struggles along with York's health and back issues, not as much any questionable conduct he might have had. Duster76 and PracTz make good sense in their posts and I agree with both of them.

all the signs point to York making Lizz feel uncomfortable with his silly behavior. Deal with it

I don't have to "deal with" anything, you have your opinion on the subject, I have my opinion and that's all there is to it.

What unreasonable demands?, there were none, they expected him to do what was needed to portray his character as needed for the show to prosper both creatively and commercially.

They went out of their way and bent over backwards to accommodate York and make things easier and more feasable for him until he just could not hack it anymore and then they moved on and replaced him and correctly so.

Sure it must have been frustrating for the Ashers and Screen Gems as they awaited Yorks weekly phone call that he could or could not make it that week.

This created constant and continuous uncertainty, stress,frustration and a lot of money as Liz especially and the rest of the cast often had to learn a brand new script without Darrin in it for the upcoming weeks filming.

Then in season 4 when the call was on occasion bogus and Yorks attempt to hold out and extort money and Power from Liz right in the middle of the filming season then not surprisingly the Ashers and SG got fed up and wanted to can his butt.

This combined with his mooning at her and making her uncomfortable made Liz want him gone and understandably so, remember in many ways like in the Godfather this was not personal, it was Business, but personal as well it was for Liz for the reasons mentioned.

The fact that York did not cheat on his wife due to Liz's utter lack of interest in him does not preclude that York well might have done so if she was also interested in doing so.

The fact that York stated with his wife for 41 years does not preclude this fact.

Interesting that Yorks wife changed her hair color and style and makeup to mimic and try to doppelganger Elizabeth Montgomery, this clearly demonstrated her fear and insecurity re Yorks infatuation for Liz and what might be brought about as a result.

There is no doubt whatsoever that Liz did not like York and even found him weird and creepy.


MonLiz,

I think others made a good case for why Mr. York's galloping debilities and unreasonable demands made in lieu of them until he could no longer work (which caused problems for the entire workplace) likely were the most direct cause for any problems between himself and Miss Montgomery.

And, I'd like to remind everyone that Mr. York's two paragraphs waxing about how he found Miss Montgomery attractive didn't compare to (much less derail) the 41 years of marriage he shared with Mrs. York until his own death!

You don't have to agree or like that there are others don't share your theory that Miss Montgomery's less-than-glowing view of Mr. York was mainly or solely due to Mr. York's alleged lusting for Miss Montgomery but please try to learn to accept that not everyone is going to agree with that theory- just as I accept that you do subscribe to that theory even though I don't agree with it.

There is no obsession rather only a stating of facts which you can not handle or deal with because it speaks against the warm and fuzzy narrative you and your ilk are attempting to portray with Liz and DY all but being Darrin and Samantha in real life.

They were not, far from it, it is clear she did not like him and as time went on found him weird, creepy,drippy and all wet.

If you can not deal with these facts that is your issue and yours alone.

You can imagine all you want, the fact is Liz wanted him gone,Asher intervened and said no for the good of the show, by then Asher's marriage to Liz was in name only, her well being and benefit was not his top priority in this matter, the show's golden goose was.

You sure seem obsessed with this idea of DY being in love with EM and pestering her on the Bewitched set, you won't let it go, the other thread was closed so you go and start another one. :crazy: And the way it's going, this thread will be closed too. :lol:

I will repeat, if DY had behaved on the set in a manner that was way out of line, then I imagine he would have been dismissed and replaced, they wouldn't have waited around, this "too good in the role of Darrin to be replaced" wouldn't have mattered. I believe any friction between DY and EM likely had more to do with power struggles along with York's health and back issues, not as much any questionable conduct he might have had. Duster76 and PracTz make good sense in their posts and I agree with both of them.



I don't have to "deal with" anything, you have your opinion on the subject, I have my opinion and that's all there is to it.

What unreasonable demands?, there were none, they expected him to do what was needed to portray his character as needed for the show to prosper both creatively and commercially.


The fact that York did not cheat on his wife due to Liz's utter lack of interest in him does not preclude that York well might have done so if she was also interested in doing so.

The fact that York stated with his wife for 41 years does not preclude this fact.

Interesting that Yorks wife changed her hair color and style and makeup to mimic and try to doppelganger Elizabeth Montgomery, this clearly demonstrated her fear and insecurity re Yorks infatuation for Liz and what might be brought about as a result.

There is no doubt whatsoever that Liz did not like York and even found him weird and creepy.

I completely agree with you, the way York talks about Lizz in his book, it's clear that had Lizz been interested in him, he would have cheated on her wife.

I will repeat, if DY had behaved on the set in a manner that was way out of line, then I imagine he would have been dismissed and replaced, they wouldn't have waited around, this "too good in the role of Darrin to be replaced" wouldn't have mattered. I believe any friction between DY and EM likely had more to do with power struggles along with York's health and back issues, not as much any questionable conduct he might have had. Duster76 and PracTz make good sense in their posts and I agree with both of them.




You think the reason of their tensions was mainly the power struggle, that's ok, it's your opinion and I respect that. But I think it's wrong to make assumptions about his, because neither of us was there in the set, so we can only take in consideration what people who were there in the sat have said about this matter.

And those people have said that the main reason Lizz didn't like York was because he was in love with her and made her feel uncomfortable.

In the next picture you can see York and Lizz behind the scenes, this is from the early seasons.

https://live.staticflickr.com/3054/4552871210_84620013db.jpg

Look at the way he's looking at her, it's pretty clear he's madly in love with her. Besides Lizz isn't looking at him, and you can see in her face that's she's a bit uncomfortable.

You think the reason of their tensions was mainly the power struggle, that's ok, it's your opinion and I respect that. But I think it's wrong to make assumptions about his, because neither of us was there in the set, so we can only take in consideration what people who were there in the sat have said about this matter.

And those people have said that the main reason Lizz didn't like York was because he was in love with her and made her feel uncomfortable.

In the next picture you can see York and Lizz behind the scenes, this is from the early seasons.

https://live.staticflickr.com/3054/4552871210_84620013db.jpg

Look at the way he's looking at her, it's pretty clear he's madly in love with her. Besides Lizz isn't even looking at him, and you can see in her face that's she's a bit uncomfortable.

Interesting photo but it could be doctored to appear like she isn't looking at him. A photo can be interpreted in many different ways. Going by the way you choose to look at it, yes he's glaring at her and the expression on her face could possibly seem to indicate that she was thinking, okay I'd really rather not be here right now. :lol:

Liz wanted him gone

I'll go along with the thought that she was on board with letting York go after season 3, but not so much because of any unwelcome on set conduct he might have had, I believe it was more over power struggles between the two of them and York's back problems were another concern, she might have been thinking what would they do if suddenly he was unable to work and then they'd be without a Darrin.

I'll also go along with the thought that she would have preferred Sargent as her co-star from the very beginning.

Just wanted to make the point this photo is not doctored, it is an actual Screen Gems publicity photo from 1965 season two, i have the original photo from then released by SG, it looks exactly like this.

Interesting photo but it could be doctored to appear like she isn't looking at him. A photo can be interpreted in many different ways. Going by the way you choose to look at it, yes he's glaring at her and the expression on her face could possibly seem to indicate that she was thinking, okay I'd really rather not be here right now. :lol:

Interesting photo but it could be doctored to appear like she isn't looking at him. A photo can be interpreted in many different ways. Going by the way you choose to look at it, yes he's glaring at her and the expression on her face could possibly seem to indicate that she was thinking, okay I'd really rather not be here right now. :lol:

If that picture is doctored and it's fake, then show me the original where Lizz is looking at him :cool:

"the expression on her face could possibly seem to indicate that she was thinking, okay I'd really rather not be here right now."

I agree with you in this one, she's thinking, okay I'd rather not be here right now in front of this crazy guy annoying me

This is my actual original publicity photo from 1965.

If that picture is doctored and it's fake, then show me the original where Lizz is looking at him :cool:

"the expression on her face could possibly seem to indicate that she was thinking, okay I'd really rather not be here right now."

I agree with you in this one, she's thinking, okay I'd rather not be here right now in front of this crazy guy annoying me

If that picture is doctored and it's fake, then show me the original where Lizz is looking at him :cool:

I didn't say that the photo is definitely doctored, I said it COULD be doctored. Photos get touched up and altered all the time, not saying it happened with this one.

Anyhow, yeah he does seem a little creepy with the way he's glaring at her, instead of looking back at him, maybe she glanced at the photographer and was thinking, can I leave now please? :lol:

There's more than one way to interpret that picture.

MonLiz put out their way and I respect that.

However; one possible interpretation could be that right before the picture was snapped, Mr. York was told to imagine being with the woman he loved (and he imagined being with Mrs. York) while Miss Montgomery was told to imagine being with someone she disliked (and she imagined being with her less favorite of her two ex-husbands).

I'm sure there are plenty of photos of the two of them together out there in which they each had very different expressions re dealing with each other,too

However; one possible interpretation could be that right before the picture was snapped, Mr. York was told to imagine being with the woman he loved (and he imagined being with Mrs. York) while Miss Montgomery was told to imagine being with someone she disliked (and she imagined being with her less favorite of her two ex-husbands).


I don't think so, in that picture it's clear that Lizz is not acting, she looks really uncomfortable, and another important thing about the image is that Lizz is not looking at him, which proves even more that's she's annoyed by him

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=247410&stc=1&d=1575141553

I don't think so, in that picture it's clear that Lizz is not acting, she looks really uncomfortable, and another important thing about the image is that Lizz is not looking at him, which proves even more that's she's annoyed by him

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=247410&stc=1&d=1575141553

As I said, I respect that you don't think my theory could be the case .

However they both had been performers for decades beforehand and each of them COULD convey a wide range of emotions upon request so all I'm saying is that your theory isn't the ONLY possibility of what each was thinking at the time (and I'm sure we could find a very wide range of emotions for each of them if we looked at every single picture taken of the two of them in the same place).

That picture means nothing. If they were both looking at each other with love in their eyes that would also mean nothing. They were actors acting as husband and wife and co-workers that didn't even have to get along to do their job when the camera was rolling.

I doubt that during the period DY was working on Bewitched he cared for anything as much has he cared about finding some relief from the pain he had been suffering since he injured his back. If he could find the time to look at EM longingly in between all the pain he was suffering, he must have had access to some great medication.

DY left the show because of that pain and alleged addiction so whatever might have been going on in his mind regarding EM, and however it allegedly manifested itself on set, it wasn't significant enough to get him off the show.

If DY was enchanted by EM's beauty, I suppose most men would be. I haven't heard of many people who would say that Elizabeth was just average looking.

That picture means nothing. If they were both looking at each other with love in their eyes that would also mean nothing. They were actors acting as husband and wife and co-workers that didn't even have to get along to do their job when the camera was rolling.

I doubt that during the period DY was working on Bewitched he cared for anything as much has he cared about finding some relief from the pain he had been suffering since he injured his back. If he could find the time to look at EM longingly in between all the pain he was suffering, he must have had access to some great medication.

DY left the show because of that pain and alleged addiction so whatever might have been going on in his mind regarding EM, and however it allegedly manifested itself on set, it wasn't significant enough to get him off the show.

If DY was enchanted by EM's beauty, I suppose most men would be. I haven't heard of many people who would say that Elizabeth was just average looking.

Every thing means nothing then, right?

York saying in his book that he fell in love with Lizz and talking about the beauty of her legs and all that, means nothing

Producers and crew members who worked on Bewitched saying that York was in love with her and made her feel uncomfortable, means nothing

Lizz not commenting York's death while commenting Sargent's death, means nothing

Lizz not talking to York ever again once he had the injury and not visiting him in the hospital, means nothing

Lizz mentioning the other actors of Bewitched while talking about the success of the series and never mentioning York, means nothing

A picture of York glancing over Lizz like a maniac while she looks uncomfortable, means nothing

Look, I understand that you like Dick York and have affection for him because of his work on Bewitched, but you can't just ignore all the signs that point to York being in love with her and Lizz not liking him because of that. At least you should admit it could very well be true all this given the plenty of signs pointing to that, instead of denying every thing.

I had to look and see if this was a new book, and if so, why put a book out a book now when they are all dead? I see it's not, but begs the question, why bring any of this up when everyone is dead? I'm sure he thought she was pretty but that doesn't mean he wanted to cheat with her. Unless he stated something like that, then I am skeptical. Of course it could be true but without proof it's all hearsay. Sure what he said is kind of creepy but doesn't mean much to be honest, just means he thought she was pretty. Someone upthread said a producer stated that but is that in an interview or hearsay? I would assume by now most of the producers are dead too. I've heard the story about his back and his addiction and I'm inclined to believe that one, not that he was creepy (which he could be but no proof). Also, interesting to note that she always wanted Dick Sargent (who was and stayed a life long friend) but he had a contract for something else and it turned out he was available when they wanted to replace Dick York. Also want to point out that I was an actress many years ago and studied acting and part of being a good actor is pretending so the photo really doesn't prove anything either. Finally, it needs to be mentioned by the time Dick Sargent took over the show was faling in the ratings but not any of their faults, just the way TV works.

The producer Bill Froug's comments were not here say, they were from his auto bio he wrote, Liz's comments about York being drippy & all wet were from an actual interview she did.

When the book was written in immaterial, what was in the book is material to this discussion.
What was in Yorks auto bio were his own words written by him.
More people actually watched Bewitched during the DS years then the DY years.


I had to look and see if this was a new book, and if so, why put a book out a book now when they are all dead? I see it's not, but begs the question, why bring any of this up when everyone is dead? I'm sure he thought she was pretty but that doesn't mean he wanted to cheat with her. Unless he stated something like that, then I am skeptical. Of course it could be true but without proof it's all hearsay. Sure what he said is kind of creepy but doesn't mean much to be honest, just means he thought she was pretty. Someone upthread said a producer stated that but is that in an interview or hearsay? I would assume by now most of the producers are dead too. I've heard the story about his back and his addiction and I'm inclined to believe that one, not that he was creepy (which he could be but no proof). Also, interesting to note that she always wanted Dick Sargent (who was and stayed a life long friend) but he had a contract for something else and it turned out he was available when they wanted to replace Dick York. Also want to point out that I was an actress many years ago and studied acting and part of being a good actor is pretending so the photo really doesn't prove anything either. Finally, it needs to be mentioned by the time Dick Sargent took over the show was faling in the ratings but not any of their faults, just the way TV works.

The producer Bill Froug's comments were not here say, they were from his auto bio he wrote, Liz's comments about York being drippy & all wet were from an actual interview she did.

When the book was written in immaterial, what was in the book is material to this discussion.
What was in Yorks auto bio were his own words written by him.
More people actually watched Bewitched during the DS years then the DY years.

I get what York wrote, but there is nothing to state that he was creepy towards Montgomery, they could be things he thought. Being drippy and wet doesn't mean he was creepy either. Now Froug saying he was being creepy is something concrete but most of it is hearsay. This is the thing, anyone can say anything and doesn't mean it's true. I'm not defending York or anyone else, I'm just concerned when people make comments about people who can't defend themselves.

I get what you say about those that are gone not being able to defend themselves.

But.

What William Froug said is not hearsay, those are his words he wrote and he was on the set all of season three so he knows directly of what he speaks.

Monliz states the case superbly below in her comments, we weren't there so we can't say for sure but one can clearly come to the conclusions she outlines.

One thing there is no doubt about. she did not like York and things at the finish ended badly between her and York and she never wanted to have anything to do with him again and she didn't, compared to Sargent who was her close friend both during & after Bewitched, these are facts.

York was a Brilliant Darrin but he was a little weird and out there and while their artistic chemistry was great their personal chemistry was not, this just shows what superb actors both of them were.

"York saying in his book that he fell in love with Lizz and talking about the beauty of her legs and all that, means nothing

Producers and crew members who of Bewitched saying that York was in love with her and made her feel uncomfortable, means nothing

Lizz not commenting York's death while commenting Sargent's death, means nothing

Lizz not talking to York ever again once he had the injury and not visiting him in the hospital, means nothing

Lizz mentioning the other actors of Bewitched while talking about the success of the series and never mentioning York, means nothing

A picture of York glancing over Lizz like a maniac while she looks uncomfortable, means nothing

Look, I understand that you like Dick York and have affection for him because of his work on Bewitched, but you can't just ignore all the signs that point to York being in love with her and Lizz not liking him because of that. At least you should admit it could very well be true all this given the plenty of signs pointing to that, instead of denying every thing."

I get what York wrote, but there is nothing to state that he was creepy towards Montgomery, they could be things he thought. Being drippy and wet doesn't mean he was creepy either. Now Froug saying he was being creepy is something concrete but most of it is hearsay. This is the thing, anyone can say anything and doesn't mean it's true. I'm not defending York or anyone else, I'm just concerned when people make comments about people who can't defend themselves.

I get what you say about those that are gone not being able to defend themselves.

But.

What William Froug said is not hearsay, those are his words he wrote and he was on the set all of season three so he knows directly of what he speaks.

Monliz states the case superbly below in her comments, we weren't there so we can't say for sure but one can clearly come to the conclusions she outlines.

One thing there is no doubt about. she did not like York and things at the finish ended badly between her and York and she never wanted to have anything to do with him again and she didn't, compared to Sargent who was her close friend both during & after Bewitched, these are facts.

York was a Brilliant Darrin but he was a little weird and out there and while their artistic chemistry was great their personal chemistry was not, this just shows what superb actors both of them were.

"York saying in his book that he fell in love with Lizz and talking about the beauty of her legs and all that, means nothing

Producers and crew members who of Bewitched saying that York was in love with her and made her feel uncomfortable, means nothing

Lizz not commenting York's death while commenting Sargent's death, means nothing

Lizz not talking to York ever again once he had the injury and not visiting him in the hospital, means nothing

Lizz mentioning the other actors of Bewitched while talking about the success of the series and never mentioning York, means nothing

A picture of York glancing over Lizz like a maniac while she looks uncomfortable, means nothing

Look, I understand that you like Dick York and have affection for him because of his work on Bewitched, but you can't just ignore all the signs that point to York being in love with her and Lizz not liking him because of that. At least you should admit it could very well be true all this given the plenty of signs pointing to that, instead of denying every thing."

Actually I have no opinion of Dick York and can't say I "like" him because for one I never met him. However, a lot of that is hearsay and means nothing. A producer saying he was creepy means a lot but most of the other stuff is hearsay. As for Montgomery, I stated above I know she never liked York and was friends with Sargent but we don't know why she didn't like him, people dislike each other for a variety of reasons. As for the photo, none of us were there so we don't know the story. That is my point, this just seems strange bringing up something that may or may not have happened.

Actually I have no opinion of Dick York and can't say I "like" him because for one I never met him. However, a lot of that is hearsay and means nothing. A producer saying he was creepy means a lot but most of the other stuff is hearsay. As for Montgomery, I stated above I know she never liked York and was friends with Sargent but we don't know why she didn't like him, people dislike each other for a variety of reasons. As for the photo, none of us were there so we don't know the story. That is my point, this just seems strange bringing up something that may or may not have happened.

"I first fell in love with Elizabeth Montgomery by leg distance. No, that’s not a typographical error, it’s not long distance. By leg distance. I’d seen her on an Alfred Hitchcock or a Thriller or one of those shows with Tom Poston and I thought, “My God, what a pretty dark-haired girl, and those legs, oh my God.” Hmm. Confession time, Elizabeth."

"I walked in to read for Bewitched and Liz was sitting outside the office, too, reading — Memoirs of Anais Nin or, I don’t know, but by some chance I happened to be reading the same thing at the same time. I sat down and said, “Enjoying that?” She unfolded those gorgeous legs and looked at me, and I saw her in person for the first time. She had full lips and dark, soft hair. She was sex all over. Still are, Lizzie. You still are. I’ve seen you lately, you’ve still got that certain thing.""

These words clearly show an infatuation of York, and it's a big sign of why Lizz didn't like him.

I mean, York could have said that Lizz is a beautiful woman and that's it, he didn't need to go into details like that. It's evident that he made her feel uncomfortable when they were on the set.

"I first fell in love with Elizabeth Montgomery by leg distance. No, that’s not a typographical error, it’s not long distance. By leg distance. I’d seen her on an Alfred Hitchcock or a Thriller or one of those shows with Tom Poston and I thought, “My God, what a pretty dark-haired girl, and those legs, oh my God.” Hmm. Confession time, Elizabeth."

"I walked in to read for Bewitched and Liz was sitting outside the office, too, reading — Memoirs of Anais Nin or, I don’t know, but by some chance I happened to be reading the same thing at the same time.

I sat down and said, “Enjoying that?” She unfolded those gorgeous legs and looked at me, and I saw her in person for the first time. She had full lips and dark, soft hair. She was sex all over. Still are, Lizzie. You still are. I’ve seen you lately, you’ve still got that certain thing.""

These words clearly show an infatuation of York, and it's a big sign of why Lizz didn't like him.

I mean, York could have said that Lizz is a beautiful woman and that's it, he didn't need to go into details like that. It's evident that he made her feel uncomfortable when they were on the set.

Like I stated above, it doesn't mean anything. Many of us think things we would never say in person. I honestly don't care whether he was creepy or not, they are all dead and can't defend themselves now.

I agree. If these people can't defend themselves it is a mute point. Dick Van Dyke has stated that he was in love with Mary Tyler Moore while doing The Dick Van Dyke Show. It probably helped their chemistry. I don't like some of my co workers but we work well together. And yes I have some creepy co workers. Its just part of the work life. This is just my opinion and I am not forcing it on anyone else.

I agree. If these people can't defend themselves it is a mute point. Dick Van Dyke has stated that he was in love with Mary Tyler Moore while doing The Dick Van Dyke Show. It probably helped their chemistry. I don't like some of my co workers but we work well together. And yes I have some creepy co workers. Its just part of the work life. This is just my opinion and I am not forcing it on anyone else.



I always thought it was the other way around ? Everything I ever heard or read it was Mary Tyler Moore in love with Dick Van Dyke! ;)

That would not surprise me. They had such good chemistry.

I agree. If these people can't defend themselves it is a mute point. Dick Van Dyke has stated that he was in love with Mary Tyler Moore while doing The Dick Van Dyke Show. It probably helped their chemistry. I don't like some of my co workers but we work well together. .

It's not the same thing, because Dick Van Dyke didn't go into details talking about Mary's legs, her leaps, her hair and all that, like York did.

Yorks words prove that he was creppy, he was madly in love with Lizz and it's clear that he annoyed her, that's why she didn't like him and that's why se never talked about him in interviews, but she talked about other members of the cast, especially Dick Sargent, she always suported him publicly making it clear that she preferred Sargent over York.

The difference was that DVD never took it onto the set or behaved in such a manner towards MTM as York did towards Liz, that is the difference, at the end of the day we are what we do, simple as that.

I agree. If these people can't defend themselves it is a mute point. Dick Van Dyke has stated that he was in love with Mary Tyler Moore while doing The Dick Van Dyke Show. It probably helped their chemistry. I don't like some of my co workers but we work well together. And yes I have some creepy co workers. Its just part of the work life. This is just my opinion and I am not forcing it on anyone else.

It's classic conspiracy theory to take a few words or facts from here or there and say they prove this or make that clear. Life's not like that. Different people use the same words in different ways, people's feelings about others change from day to day, outside influences affect how people remember things.

In other words, if you're lost in woods with a group of people, the one person you shouldn't follow is the one who's absolutely certain of the way back.

I TOTALLY agree with you here- and especially not the one who refuses to believe there's any possibility that there could be ANY other path back but for the single route they've concocted in their own mind!

It's classic conspiracy theory to take a few words or facts from here or there and say they prove this or make that clear. Life's not like that. Different people use the same words in different ways, people's feelings about others change from day to day, outside influences affect how people remember things.

In other words, if you're lost in woods with a group of people, the one person you shouldn't follow is the one who's absolutely certain of the way back.

"I first fell in love with Elizabeth Montgomery by leg distance. No, that’s not a typographical error, it’s not long distance. By leg distance. I’d seen her on an Alfred Hitchcock or a Thriller or one of those shows with Tom Poston and I thought, “My God, what a pretty dark-haired girl, and those legs, oh my God.” Hmm. Confession time, Elizabeth."

"I walked in to read for Bewitched and Liz was sitting outside the office, too, reading — Memoirs of Anais Nin or, I don’t know, but by some chance I happened to be reading the same thing at the same time.

I sat down and said, “Enjoying that?” She unfolded those gorgeous legs and looked at me, and I saw her in person for the first time. She had full lips and dark, soft hair. She was sex all over. Still are, Lizzie. You still are. I’ve seen you lately, you’ve still got that certain thing.""

There's only one way to interpret this, it doesn't matter how hard you try distort it, there's no other way to interpret it.

Let's forget that it was York who wrote that, imagine that it was another guy, those words clearly show that the man who said that, is madly in love with the woman he's talking about.

I TOTALLY agree with you here- and especially not the one who refuses to believe there's any possibility that there could be ANY other path back but for the single route they've concocted in their own mind!

I don't refuse to believe another other possibility, actually it's you who refuse to accept all the signs that point to York being in love with Lizz and making her feel uncomfortable.

You even claim to know better about Lizz and York's relationship than the producers and crew members who worked on Bewitched and witnessed how their relationship was, it's hilarious.

The thing is neither of us were on the set of Bewitched, so the only thing we can take in consideration is what people who worked there have said about all this, and you know what? every producer and crew member who worked on Bewitched have said that Lizz and York didn't get along because of his infatuation with her.

There's not even one person who worked on Bewitched who have said that Lizz and York were friends and their relationship was ideal, that tells you every thing. Man, even York himself admitted he was in love with Lizz, what else do you need to accept it and admit that you are wrong?

Another aspect of conspiracy theory is the insistence that others come around to one's point of view. Again, emotions, memory, ways of expression are all fuzzy. You add biases and several decades and black-white opinions just aren't reliable.

Producers and crew members of Bewitched, aren't reliable.

Dick York admitting in his book that he was in love with Lizz, isn't reliable either.

What is reliable then? :lol:

Your just in a state of denial and don't want to accept the facts due to your prior emotional agenda.
If they were literally doing it with York on top of her you would say they were just checking each others hair for dandruff.

Looking at them on screen 50 years later and thinking one thing can be viewed as perception, the views clearly stated in black and white by those that were actually physically there on the set are facts on the ground and to try to obfuscate these facts and try to spin them to appear innocuous is the definition of denial.

Another aspect of conspiracy theory is the insistence that others come around to one's point of view. Again, emotions, memory, ways of expression are all fuzzy. You add biases and several decades and black-white opinions just aren't reliable.

Another aspect of conspiracy theory is the insistence that others come around to one's point of view. Again, emotions, memory, ways of expression are all fuzzy. You add biases and several decades and black-white opinions just aren't reliable.

In his book "The Seesaw girl and me" York not only admitted he was in love with Lizz, he also said this:

"In the first two seasons Liz and I were very close - even playing word games between scenes. I felt that she was a friend. But something changed and she simply grew tired of me"

So,as he admitted he was in love with Lizz, and then confirmed their relationship wasn't good since the third season, it's clear what happened.

York was infatuated by Lizz, he annoyed her and that's why they stopped being friends since the third season, Lizz got tired of his immature behavior and was annoyed by him, then Lizz asked Bill Asher to fire him.

Now, what you're gonna say? York's words aren't reliable? you're gonna say that you know about Lizz and York's relationship better than York himself? :lol:

I refuse to keep trying to at least see if you might be willing to accept other hypotheses contrary to your own even if you don't like them.

It would have saved us bunches of needless angst if, instead of saying, 'Judge for yourself, you'd said, 'Judge it EXACTLY the way I've interpreted it or I'll refuse to accept you have any right to any opinion not in lockstep with my own!'

Bye, Monliz. I'm DONE with you!

Bottom line Monliz is right and you are wrong, deal with it, her last post nailed it right on the had mike drop style, you are not just done you are done and donered!

I refuse to keep trying to at least see if you might be willing to accept other hypotheses contrary to your own even if you don't like them.

Bye, Monliz. I'm DONE with you!

I refuse to keep trying to at least see if you might be willing to accept other hypotheses contrary to your own even if you don't like them.

Bye, Monliz. I'm DONE with you!



Typical stuff when you lose a debate, you've run out of arguments and you know that you lost the debate because of the evidence I showed, so now you try to hide your loss by saying that you're done because you got tired of this :lol::lol:

The thing is Lizz and York didn't get along since the third season because York annoyed her with his inappropriate behavior, that's the reason Lizz didn't like him and wanted him fired. This is the true story, you like it or not.

As for you, you're done but not because you say so, you're done because you lost the debate and have no arguments to refute the facts I posted. I won. Bye amigo.

Hello everyone. Newbie here. Though i have been a fan of Bewitched since the 1st time i saw it on reruns on year 2000. I've just recently got complete copy of S1 to S5. But i only watched the ones with Dick York cuz he's my fave Darrin. No offense to Sargent. I have been reading some posts here b4 i decided to join this forum, and i cldnt help but to react on this one. Here are some facts i know based on what i read online about Liz and DY:
1) William Froug testified that Liz wanted York gone at the start S3.
2) Bill Asher preferred York over Sargent and even said that York's kisses were more passionate.
3) York's biographer said that Mrs. Joan York once told him that Liz Montgomery herself called their house to ask if DY was coming on the Emmy's awarding ceremony which York was also nominated for Best Lead Comedy Actor. That was for his S4 performance. Montgomery was told that York and his family preferred to stay at their home and to watch the Emmy's together.
4) Chris York, DY's son, was recently interviewed by Herbie Pilato and it was an interview which Chris just said nothing but praises to his father. Even Herbert Pilato agreed that DY was really a kind person.
5) Liz said in TV Guide interview that York always talked about his wife and children and his love for them.

Here are my personal thoughts:
it's not susprising that York was infatuated with Liz. After all, he's a man who can have attraction to any woman other than his wife. So i believe that York really was infatuated with Liz. And that's probably why York's Darrin was more loveable to Sam on screen. If York really misbehaved and Liz told Bill Asher about it, but Bill decided to sacrifice his own wife than the show, then the shame was more on Bill Asher than York. And if Liz was really uncomfortable of York's advances she cld have toned down their kissing scenes on S4, where kissing scenes stats (based on harpiesbazaar web) rose to average of 2.67 per episode. There were kissing scenes in S3 and S4 that she initiated some follow up kisses to him. Now, as a woman, when a guy i dislike started to make uncomfortable advances towards me, i wld make sure i tone down some "physical contact" with him, to discourage him. And if York really physically abused Liz, i wld really be amazed that he had still time to do that. With his physical incapabilities, i wld imagine him preferring to sit down or rest after rehearsing some lines than goof around to peep on Liz.
It's really sad that Liz and DY never talked to each other again after York's departure in Bewitched. I read some stories how Liz cld be vindictive to the point that she burned bridges with former friends she never wanted it to be reconnected. Dominic Dune even said after Liz died, that he had never known why Liz got angry at him and never spoke to him again. Even that studio head she headbutt against during Bewitched's early seasons. She demanded a lot of control back then, to the point that the studio head wanted her to be replaced. (The irony of Liz Montgomery being replaced as Samantha before York's replacement somehow didnt escape my thoughts). Anyway, when Liz found out that she cld be replaced, she made a written apology to that studio head. She felt humiliated by him that she never talked to him ever again.

As a newbie Bewitched fan, it's kinda sad to know that the actors who played my fave couple were not in good terms during their later years. Wish i knew the real story.

Well, i do believe that Liz might be offended by York but i dont believe that York intended to offend Liz, deliberately. besides, when it comes to fidelity, no doubt York had a better record than Liz. But who knows, really?

Both are dead. The least thing we can do was to pray that their souls are peacefully resting now. No need to badmouth these actors or their fans. It seems useless to me, unless, another exposé came out and had definite proof that York really abused Liz. As a York's Darrin fan, that wld be devastating for me.

PART I (Jackie Cooper's excerpt)


These are all the excerpts from Jackie Cooper's Bio. (He was the head of Screen Gems at the time Bewitched began Production)that concern Liz,what do you all think as to it's validity???

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I think there was one other by-product of the Screen Gems experi-
ence I must mention. I learned quickly the art of dealing with people
and, specifically, how to be an executive.

The background must be sketched in. My predecessor at Screen
Gems, as I have mentioned, was Bill Dozier. One of his last pilot
films, before he left in the fall of '63, was a show called Bewitched,
which Dozier had made with Harry Ackerman producing. Elizabeth
Montgomery was the star .The series, to be produced the following
summer, had been sold to ABC.

I was convinced the show was a winner and looked forward to
working with Liz. I had met her, years before, when I had done the
show her father used to host, Robert Montgomery Presents. Bob
Montgomery had invited Barbara and me up to his apartment after
that show, which must have been in late 1954, and I had met his
teenage daughter, already beautiful and already very strong and posi-
tive. I had met her since, socially, with her first husband, and then
when she was Mrs. Gig Young, and then when she was Mrs. Bill

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Asher. I had known Asher, too, when he directed many of Lucille
Ball's old I Love Lucy shows.
When I took over at Screen Gems in J anuary 1964, Liz called and
said she wanted to see me. Fine. But I didn't want it to be a business
meeting, so I suggested we have lunch at the Beverly Hills Hotel. We
had a pleasant lunch, chitchat and food, and then she got very busi-
nesslike.

She said she wanted to remind me of the promises Bill Dozier had
made to her and make sure I kept those promises. What had Bill
promised?
First, that her husband, Bill Asher, would be the producer. Harry

Ackerman could be executive producer, but Bill would be the man .
running things. Second, she had ideas on what direction the show
l should take, and she wanted those ideas incorporated in future scripts.
Three, Dozier had promi! sed her casting approval and director ap-
proval. Four-most important-Billy would direct the first eight or
nine shows in a row, in addition to producing.
I listened to these "promises" of Dozier's. They didn't sound like
Dozier.

"Liz," I said, "Bobby Kennedy once told me that shortly after the
President was shot, he went up to Lyndon Johnson and said that Jack
had told him he wanted something or other done. And Lyndon looked
down at him and said, 'I'm the President now.' Well, Liz, I'm in
charge now. "

She looked at me with her big blue eyes, which can become very
steely when she wants them to, and she said, "It's too bad. It would
have been a nice little show."

I explained to her that none of those "promises" were in her con-
tract; I had made a point of getting out her contract and reading it
before the luncheon meeting. She said she knew they weren't, but
they were verbal promises Bill Dozier had made. I said that I was
sorry, but I simply could not go along with any of those "promises."
She smiled sweetly, thanked me for lunch, and said, as she left, that
she wasn't going to do the show.

As soon as I got back to my office, I called. her agent and told him
about our conversation. He was very nervous. I told him I would, of
course, have to report all this to the head of all Screen Gems divi-
sions, Jerry Hyams, in New York. And he, in turn, would have to
notify ABC. And ABC's first step would undoubtedly be to cancel
the sale, unless (which was very unlikely) a mutually satisfactory
,
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replacement could be found. The agent said, "Please, hold the fort
don't do anything until I talk to her." In less than an hour he called
back to say that she was firm; she was quitting. I hadn't expected her
to have any other reaction.
This, I felt, was a good time for me to learn how I stood-and also

how I could stand up to the pressure, real executive suite action. I
hadn't been sur! e how I could handle that kind of thing. My psychiatrist in New York used to say I was too kindly, and I had to be ,
more firm, esplcially with women.

If I was to be head of the studio, I was to be the head of the studio.
But I wasn't merely being stubborn for stubbornness's sake; there were
good reasons not to go along with Liz's demands. Ackerman was a
tried-and-true TV producer; he should be in charge. No way was Billy
going to direct the first eight or nine shows-nobody in his right mind
did that. Casting and director approval? Not in my studio. And if she
had ideas as to the direction in which the show was going, fine, but
let her funnel them through the producer.

So I called Tom Moore, then the head of ABC, directly. Tom was
a good, level-headed person, not given to hysterics. I explained what
had happened. He said that maybe we could find a replacement,
maybe no. At the least, it would mean a test film on the girl. They
might even want an entire new pilot film. He said, "Let's wait and
see who you can come up with."

I had our casting office begin looking for another girl, of the same
general age and type as Liz Montgomery. I didn't tell the press (nei-
., ther did Liz, I was happy to see) , but there was a leak. In those days
all the columnists in town had people in every studio on their payroll,
at so much a tip, and there was no such thing as a secret. So the story
leaked, merely saying that "Elizabeth Montgomery was unhappy at
Screen Gems," and nobody denied it."

We found three girls we felt were good enough to test for the part
of Samantha. We arranged for the tests to be filmed three days hence,
and we hired a director, selected the scene, arranged for sets and costume, &n! bsp; brought in Dick York ( already set for the costar) to work
with the girls. All of this, of course, was money, and not an inconsiderable sum, out of Screen Gems' pocket.

The day before the tests a messenger appeared at my office, bearing a hand delivered, handwritten note of apology from Liz. She said
"she had realized that her demands were outside her contract. She felt
she should have respected and trusted me. She promised that she


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would not demand or insist that Bill either produce or direct. She
would work well with Harry Ackerman, she was sure. She hoped that
I would bear Bill in mind for the future."

I had won, but I wanted to nail the victory down. I showed the
note to our legal department and asked if there was a way that note
could be made a part of her contract. They said yes, if they prepared
an instrument saying that and had her sign it. So they quickly drafted
such an instrument, and we sent it over to her, and she duly signed it.
From that day on, for the first five years Bewitched was on, Liz
Montgomery never spoke to me.

On the other hand, she was never
late, she always knew her lines, she never caused anybody any trouble, she was a perfect lady, and she made the show a huge success.
We did have Bill Asher direct a few shows during the first two
seasons, and in the third year Harry Ackerman became the executive
producer and Bill became the producer .

In 1968, during the Christmas season, I was putting the lights up
outside the house when Liz and Bill drove up. They were bringing a
gift-a large and lavish Christmas wreath which I promptly nailed to
the front door. There were hugs and kisses all around, and we became
good friends again.

Soon after that gift it was time for negotiations with her for another
contract. At the time of those negotiations I knew something she didn't
know,and I hoped she would not find out. That was that ABC was
making us an extremely profitable deal for the syndication rights to
Bewitched. The deal was contingent on our signing her to another
five-year contract. So it was to our interests to sign her before she
got wind of that proviso; if she did find out, she could justifiably hold
u! s up for a lot more money. So I became more generous with her than
I might otherwise have been.

I wanted her name on that contract very
quickly, and very painlessly, so the syndication deal could go through.
And so I made her a most generous offer-involving cash, a big
increase in her salary, a deferment arrangement. I believe she received maybe a half million more than she might have, had not circumstances dictated. And that wreath had contributed to my feeling
of kindness. For years we kept that wreath, and whenever we put it
on the door, every Christmas, Barbara and I joked about the "half-
million-dollar wreath." The show, as it was, ran on ABC for eight years. It became one of the big hits in TV series syndication and turned out to be a gold mine.



Hello everyone. Newbie here. Though i have been a fan of Bewitched since the 1st time i saw it on reruns on year 2000. I've just recently got complete copy of S1 to S5. But i only watched the ones with Dick York cuz he's my fave Darrin. No offense to Sargent. I have been reading some posts here b4 i decided to join this forum, and i cldnt help but to react on this one. Here are some facts i know based on what i read online about Liz and DY:
1) William Froug testified that Liz wanted York gone at the start S3.
2) Bill Asher preferred York over Sargent and even said that York's kisses were more passionate.
3) York's biographer said that Mrs. Joan York once told him that Liz Montgomery herself called their house to ask if DY was coming on the Emmy's awarding ceremony which York was also nominated for Best Lead Comedy Actor. That was for his S4 performance. Montgomery was told that York and his family preferred to stay at their home and to watch the Emmy's together.
4) Chris York, DY's son, was recently interviewed by Herbie Pilato and it was an interview which Chris just said nothing but praises to his father. Even Herbert Pilato agreed that DY was really a kind person.
5) Liz said in TV Guide interview that York always talked about his wife and children and his love for them.

Here are my personal thoughts:
it's not susprising that York was infatuated with Liz. After all, he's a man who can have attraction to any woman other than his wife. So i believe that York really was infatuated with Liz. And that's probably why York's Darrin was more loveable to Sam on screen. If York really misbehaved and Liz told Bill Asher about it, but Bill decided to sacrifice his own wife than the show, then the shame was more on Bill Asher than York. And if Liz was really uncomfortable of York's advances she cld have toned down their kissing scenes on S4, where kissing scenes stats (based on harpiesbazaar web) rose to average of 2.67 per episode. There were kissing scenes in S3 and S4 that she initiated some follow up kisses to him. Now, as a woman, when a guy i dislike started to make uncomfortable advances towards me, i wld make sure i tone down some "physical contact" with him, to discourage him. And if York really physically abused Liz, i wld really be amazed that he had still time to do that. With his physical incapabilities, i wld imagine him preferring to sit down or rest after rehearsing some lines than goof around to peep on Liz.
It's really sad that Liz and DY never talked to each other again after York's departure in Bewitched. I read some stories how Liz cld be vindictive to the point that she burned bridges with former friends she never wanted it to be reconnected. Dominic Dune even said after Liz died, that he had never known why Liz got angry at him and never spoke to him again. Even that studio head she headbutt against during Bewitched's early seasons. She demanded a lot of control back then, to the point that the studio head wanted her to be replaced. (The irony of Liz Montgomery being replaced as Samantha before York's replacement somehow didnt escape my thoughts). Anyway, when Liz found out that she cld be replaced, she made a written apology to that studio head. She felt humiliated by him that she never talked to him ever again.

As a newbie Bewitched fan, it's kinda sad to know that the actors who played my fave couple were not in good terms during their later years. Wish i knew the real story.

Well, i do believe that Liz might be offended by York but i dont believe that York intended to offend Liz, deliberately. besides, when it comes to fidelity, no doubt York had a better record than Liz. But who knows, really?

Both are dead. The least thing we can do was to pray that their souls are peacefully resting now. No need to badmouth these actors or their fans. It seems useless to me, unless, another exposé came out and had definite proof that York really abused Liz. As a York's Darrin fan, that wld be devastating for me.

Needless to say Jackie Cooper was lying through his teeth in his book about Liz's Power Grab,after all why s
hould we believe JC who in effect called Liz a lier & not Liz herself,as Liz
got a guarantee from Bill Dozier that she would have creative control with
Bill: ,final say on all casting, scripts who the principle director would be
& having Bill do the first 12 (it turned out to be 14 actually)episodes as well as having control over the
direction of the premise.

Then when BD was fired & replaced by Cooper he came in & tried to run
roughshod over Liz using her as an example to show all who was in charge &
what a tough guy he was. Liz was not making any last minute demands, she
was only trying to make sure that she would get what BD had promised her.
When JC tried to take that away from her she walked & was I am positive
ready to drop Bewitched period. She would not have been willing to do the show
without Bill having a major role in the show & working with her.

As JC
outlined it Bill would have been forced out & with his pride would have refused
to wait around for a year or two to get some occasional directing
assignments,he would have gone on to something & as a result he & Liz would
have seen very little of each other what with her 14 hour + days & all.
This would have been utterly unacceptable to her & she never would have
considered it for a moment,for one thing she knew what Asher was like &
that
left to his own devises he would stray,so for that reason alone Liz would
have said no to the conditions that JC demanded as she knew it would cost her marriage.

I think the reason she came back was that Harry Ackerman took her to the
side
& said that what BD had promised her ,he HA would give her as Executive
producer & that all of the before mentioned power would be hers after
all,so
as she really wanted this part & the chance to work with with Bill (which
might not have come about otherwise) she decided to throw JC a bone & let
him
seem like he had won a big power struggle since she was the one in
reality
who really won.

That's my take on it,as for the $6 million dollars all that JC said
happened
took place Dec./68 leading up to XMAS ,well i saw an article in TV Guide
dated Jan/68 with all of the info about this Big deal upcoming between
ScreenGems & ABC ,so she already knew & so did everyone & she was able to
use
this knowledge to gain enormous leverage with Screengems as the deal was
contingent on her resigning for Bewitched for at least 4 years,so she had
them by the short & curlies.

As well CBS gave her an offer of one million dollers her own show 50%
ownership,creative control written into her contract & a promise that the
network would develop at least 2 shows for ASHMONT (to be formed),well with this big bat
she brought ABC & SCREENGEMS to their knees & only stayed with them
because
they matched CBS's offer,a very different outcome then the one given by JC
needless to say.

So the bottom line is that JC was lying & that Liz kicked his butt without
smearing her eyeliner,end of story.

In the end Liz & Bill had all of the Casting authority once the show
started
shooting in mid 1964 ,as well Bill was named the principle Director &
instead
of doing the first 12 he did the first 14 & about 90% of them the first 2
years.

In reality they had total creative control & called the shots even though
it
wasn't in their contract & no matter how JC tried to spin it.She put him on
his knees twice,& with a smile on her face I might add.
Bill & she also had final say re scripts & the premis,an example being that
HA wanted to have Samantha lose her powers in the first season gradually
because of her contact with mortals, Liz & Bill strongly disagreed & as
well
JC wanted Bewitched shot on video tape,Bill & Liz wanted film,guess who
prevailed on both counts :^)

So as you say J COOPER was full of bunk period & on an ego trip & feeding
us all a bunch of selfserving drivel.

I choose to believe Liz about the promises made to her by Bill Dozier rather then
JC who ineffect called Liz a lier,so i do not think his chapter on Liz was mostly
the truth at all,it is filled with inaccuracies from her age when JC meet her for the first time
to the color of her eyes & all the rest of what i have mentioned.

Just One Warlocks Opinion

Larry Tate

What happened was Liz called her Dad who set up a meeting with the Screen Gems executive in NY who was JC's boss.
With the help of her Father he got this executive to basically let Harry Ackerman become the executive producer of Bewitched with the full knowledge that HA would let Bill & Liz be in charge of all creative & casting decisions on Bewitched.

This is all documented in the Elizabeth Montgomery Biography Twitch upon a star by Herbie J Pilato.

I don't think anyone is insinuating that York assaulted or grabbed at Liz or even made a serious pass at her.
He used to stand up against a hard board that was set up against a wall as this was the most comfortable and pain free context to be in between scenes.
He used to just continually stare at Liz making sheep eyes at her mooning at her, this was what made her feel really uncomfortable and was part of her feeling he was all wet and drippy as in.........creepy.

This is what those who were on the set have said about his onset behavior.

The thing was Liz would move on in her life from people, when a romance or marriage ended all the friends they shared and relatives and anyone from that era of her life were expunged from it as she began a new life with a new man in it.

DD was from the Gig Young era of her life and he was dropped from her life with Gig Young when she divorced him, this was not out of vindictiveness rather it was just her way of escaping the pain of a failed marriage.

Not that unusual, most people friends and non blood relations that way as folks inevitably choose sides and do not try to have their cake and eat it, not always but usually.

^Wow, u sure know how to welcome a newbie😂😂😂
Anyway, i read that excerpt on Herbie Pilato’s book. I dont know JC or Liz personally to believe either of them. It’s possible that Cooper was lying but it doesnt mean Liz was a saint. I found some inconsistencies on Liz’s account too. She kept praising her father in interviews while people surrounded her knew that her relationship with his father was not that good. She said she didnt do the Flinstones episode when no one can’t deny that it was her voice on that episode. I saw that ep in Youtube, well, it was her voice that i heard.
I read ur posts against DY and some of people here who defended York. And i cant help but to notice that u seem to take it personally. U had no problem airing ur opinion to defend Liz as a perfect person while u had difficulty accepting other opinions about DY. The thing is u dont know exactly what really happened between them. “Looking at her with sheep eyes” and “he is wet and drippy” are not really to be called “abuse”, at least in my own standards. Sure, that wld be uncomfortable, but Liz was known as a vocal person. She had no problem speaking up against Agnes Moorehead to defend Dick Sargent, why she didnt defend herself against Dick York? Did she confront York about his “creepy” ways? If she really felt DY as a creep and take it personally against him, then why wld she even bother to call at their house just to ask if DY was coming at the emmys or not? Sure, in Herbie’s book, that action of Liz was construed as professional concern. But seriously, i dont see any problem if DY cldnt attend the Emmys, and it was petty of Liz if even that she wld take it personally against DY🤷🏻
An infatuation is NOT an obsession. And we all know we can use the words “i love this or that or i fell in love with this” without really becoming an obsessive creep. York said in his book that he thought Liz was his friend and the sudden change in her demeanor might have saddened DY . Perhaps he wanted to show Liz all the affections a costar cld give just to appease her. If DY had a sleazy attitude, then, at least people surrounding him shld have testified about it. Those people u said that testified that DY had a creepy obsession with Liz, didnt even have any balls to tell DY to back off on Liz since Season3. Or if things was really that worst, they cld have told Joan York about DY’s behavior. And i dont believe that Asher, as problematic as he cld be, wld really let Liz be abused by DY for that matter. If things escalated to worst things between Liz and DY, that was due to miscommunication or lack of any communication.

I am sorry if i came out strong for a newbie, but i cant help to react on some of ur posts painting DY as the bad guy. He had been in pain for so many years and still tried to help other people during his later years. I just find it a bit unfair that cuz of some excerpts on his book or in Herbie Pilato’s book that showing his love for Liz in a harmless way, u wld jump on conclusion that he was a creep. The thing is, u couldnt even prove either that DY physically abused Liz on set. Like i said earlier, if ever York offended Liz, on York’s part it was NOT deliberate.

Still, we can all agree to disagree, as cliche as it sounds.. Im a DY fan on Bewitched and u are a Liz fan. We are both fan of this show to some extent. Unless u have some convincing proof that DY really sexually abused Liz on set, then what u got was still considered as “personal opinion”, therefore, still not enough evidence to paint DY as the bad guy here.

That’s all for me. And goodbye. 👋🏽

And if Liz was really uncomfortable of York's advances she cld have toned down their kissing scenes on S4, where kissing scenes stats (based on harpiesbazaar web) rose to average of 2.67 per episode. There were kissing scenes in S3 and S4 that she initiated some follow up kisses to him. Now, as a woman, when a guy i dislike started to make uncomfortable advances towards me, i wld make sure i tone down some "physical contact" with him, to discourage him. And if York really physically abused Liz, i wld really be amazed that he had still time to do that. With his physical incapabilities, i wld imagine him preferring to sit down or rest after rehearsing some lines than goof around to peep on Liz.


First of all, nobody has said that York physically abused Lizz, that's insane. What happened according to producers and crew members, is that York used to glance over her longingly and looked at her with a creepy face. This would make any woman feel uncomfortable.

The kisses York and Lizz had on TV mean nothing, I mean, Lizz and Sargent didn't kiss each other a lot during Bewitched, so what? by your logic that would mean Lizz and Sargent didn't get along , but that's not the case, actually they were very close friends in real life. Lizz even supported him in Los Angeles Gay Pride.

Lizz is a great professional, and if the script says she has to kiss York three times, she will do it.

You know what Lizz did to discourage York? not having relations with him behind the scenes, producers and crew members said that since the third season Lizz and York weren't close, and they would only interact while they were filming, once the filming was done, Lizz got far away from York.

No what i do is call out those that personally attack Elizabeth Montgomery in an ugly way with made up self serving delusional statements based on their fan boy obsession of DY.
I never present Liz as a saint but will challenge those that attempt to smear her memory with lies and attempt to make DY look good by making her look bad when the opposite view is justified based on the facts.

Re DY i am just calling a spade a spade based on those that were actually there.

We know JC was lying as his statements are contradicted by corroborated facts making them non credible, this is all illustrated in my previous posts that you have chosen to ignore.

If you think DY's behavior is acceptable or no big deal i suggest you talk to any Human resourced officer of any company about their views on said views of yours and you will be educated.

Oh typical blame the victim, she brought it on herself, she was wearing provocative clothing, she should have confronted him, these are not real world fair expectations of anyone in such a situation.
She didn't want to compromise or hurt the show so she tried to limit her exposure to his creepy unacceptable behavior and dissociate herself from DY to the greatest extent possible.

Yes those around him dd testify against him namely the Producer William Froug and crew members.

York is who he was and what he did as we all are at the end of the day.

Not attending industry events such as the emmy's is unprofessional and petty, to not be there to promote and put the best face on the show to support your fellow cast members is disrespectful and petty.
Clearly Liz heard he was not going and called to get this point across albeit indirectly.

The Ashers invited the Yorks out several times to dinner in the first few years of the show, they always demurred.
Then he creeps on her and you wonder why that combined with the fact he tried a power play to all but steal her show from her early in season 4 when it was clearly her show presents a clear understandable delineation of what led to her dislike of him and understandably so.

No things went south between Liz and York based solely on his behavior and conduct.

Nobody ever said DY sexually or physically abused Liz, your pulling out a red herring there to try to obfuscate the unacceptable conduct that he indeed did engage in.

The cast and crew members knew when Asher was cheating on Liz but never told her so what makes you think they would have confronted York about his behavior on the set towards Liz, it was not their place to do so, they were just there to do a job.

If you want York put on some pedestal that is your issue, he was what he did, simple as that and any good he did prior to during or after Bewitched has zero to do with what he did re his behavior towards Liz re it's acceptability or not, this is not a football game keeping score, even if you score 10 TD's if you fumbled it still means you fumbled, the TD's do not change that one iota.

You may call his behavior harmless but i seriously doubt most women or any HR officers of any company would think so.

You are dismissed ! :cool:;):lol:

^wow, u guys, im so speechless how u keep on trying to paint Dick York as a creep when u two are creepier than him with how u have been so obsessed to put down people who disagree with u.

“You are dismissed”! Wow, are u my boss?! Larry Tate has been my least fave char in bewitched (though i think David White was great in person), but i never thought someone who used his name in forum could be less appealing too. Lol. Do u hire me here?! In what authority u have on me to say Im dismissed.booho

Unless u are all reincarnation of Liz Montgomery, neither of u cld make me change my opinion about DY. And im not forcing u either that u shld change ur opinions to DY too.

All i was doing was to give some perspectives on the side of DY. If u dont like it, fine. But to impose your authoritarian attitude over me, is kinda pathetic.

If ever York wasnt confronted of his wrongdoing was not entirely his fault. After all, what he did was only to look at Liz. He had expressive eyes. I am shocked that u are all became judgemental on how he looks at someone. Liz not talking to DY after he’s gone in Bewitched is her decision. But u guys painting DY as a creep just cuz he kept to say good things about Liz, that’s ********.

Anyway, i dont think i wld make another post here again. Well, the way u “dismissed” me here kinda speaks for what kind of people i wld be dealing here if ever i continued posting here. Liz didnt confront York of his fault. She just shunned him away. Something u guys are doing in opposite. Which i think kinda better, cuz you just made it CLEAR that i should AVOID people like u.

Bye. Boomer!

P.S. RIP to Dick York and Liz Montgomery. Both are excellent actors. To think that Liz didnt like DY and York was doing his job EFFECTIVELY despite his physical pain were all class act. Boy, i know how fandom works specially the cult shows im familiar with, but never in my life i thought that a 60s show have such toxic fans. Bummer!��������

No we are merely responding to the delusional rants of Yorkies such as yourself that smear Elizabeth Montgomery and refuse to accept that Dick York was a man with feet of clay.

He is what he did, of this there is no doubt, your refusal to accept what you can not refute is your issue.

I don't care about your opinion of Dick York, i merely do not what you to infect other fans with your myopic perspective.

No you are only giving your misinformation and propaganda in defence of DY when his actions were indefensible.

No you are wrong, the producer,and crew members who were there are painting York as being inappropriate from first hand knowledge, deal with it.
So you are saying that as York was not confronted with his behavior he is not at fault and hos behavior is acceptable but if he had been confronted it would not be?????.......................you clearly do not have a moral character!!

Well you won't be missed and i hope the door hits you in your fat A$$ on the way out.

You have been educated,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you are now dismissed.........again!!!
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^wow, u guys, im so speechless how u keep on trying to paint Dick York as a creep when u two are creepier than him with how u have been so obsessed to put down people who disagree with u.

“You are dismissed”! Wow, are u my boss?! Larry Tate has been my least fave char in bewitched (though i think David White was great in person), but i never thought someone who used his name in forum could be less appealing too. Lol. Do u hire me here?! In what authority u have on me to say Im dismissed.booho

Unless u are all reincarnation of Liz Montgomery, neither of u cld make me change my opinion about DY. And im not forcing u either that u shld change ur opinions to DY too.

All i was doing was to give some perspectives on the side of DY. If u dont like it, fine. But to impose your authoritarian attitude over me, is kinda pathetic.

If ever York wasnt confronted of his wrongdoing was not entirely his fault. After all, what he did was only to look at Liz. He had expressive eyes. I am shocked that u are all became judgemental on how he looks at someone. Liz not talking to DY after he’s gone in Bewitched is her decision. But u guys painting DY as a creep just cuz he kept to say good things about Liz, that’s ********.



The thing is, you said that since York and Lizz kissed a lot during Bewitched, that means they had a good relationship and Lizz wasn't annoyed by York's behavior. This is laughable.

There are a lot of actors who have to kiss each other in a movie or in a series and they don't get along behind the scenes. You can't judge the relationship actors have with each other based on what you see in a movie or in a TV series because they're just doing a job.

The only thing that matters here is what happened behind scenes, and producers and crew members stated that behind the scenes, Lizz and York weren't close and had no interaction because Lizz was annoyed by York's infatuation and his immature behavior.

And we don't paint York as a creep, just look at this picture and judge for yourself

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=247410&stc=1&d=1575141553

Doug Tibbles, one of the writers of Bewitched, and a person who was there on the set, has said this about York and Lizz relantionship:

"Elizabeth and Dick's relationship was simply professional, you couldn't tell if it was just two polite people or two people just being polite. I didn't see tons of closeness between them."

This confirms when they finished filming the scenes, Lizz got away from York and didn't want anything to do with him.

York himself said in his book that he was in love with Lizz, so there's no way he didn't want to be with her when they weren't filming, it's clear that it was Lizz who didn't want to have any relationship with him because of the infatuation he had with her.

And again, it's someone who was in the set who says that Lizz and York didn't get along. Another knock to the Yorkies.

Well, his own words proved that he acted lecherous.

Exactly, his words prove that he acted badly towards Lizz and annoyed her, the guy was completely infatuated with Lizz and couldn't control himself, his words talking about Lizz and his creepy face while looking at her prove that was a ***** on the set.

No wonder why Lizz couldn't stand him

Why do I keep being drawn into this nonsense...You push this same narrative over and over and over when you actually have no idea about them at all. Which is fine. Believe whatever you need to. "All wet and kind of creepy & weird" is the DUMBEST thing I've ever read and a total biased opinion if not downright fabrication. You do realize that when a certain producer stated his opinion that York was "in love with Montgomery and it irritated her" his point was a dig at Montgomery as a hard-hearted woman who did not want to be loved by anyone. He wasn't insulting Dick York. He was insulting Montgomery. Now that contradicts what most other cast members have said about her - so his statements are more bad-mouthing and self-serving than gospel fact. You need to believe in the fantasy and that's fine. Have at it.



You're talking about William Froug, but the thing is, William Frough is not the only one who said that York was in love with him and she couldn't stand him because of that, there are more producers and crew members who stated that too. Even York himself admitted he was in love with Lizz.

Going back to William Froug, he said Lizz wanted York fired since the third season, and York said in his book that he and Lizz were friends only in the first two seasons, so everything fits together.

Based on the back-and-forth, I guess a person has to declare EM or DY a saint or satanic, no in-between.

No, when it comes to DY it is just a matter of calling a spade a spade, he is what he did, no more no less.

Based on the back-and-forth, I guess a person has to declare EM or DY a saint or satanic, no in-between.

Based on the back-and-forth, I guess a person has to declare EM or DY a saint or satanic, no in-between.

No, that's not the point at all. When a man is infatuated by a woman and annoys her with his inappropriate behavior you can't put the blame on the woman, in this case the man is the only culprit. Same happens if it's a woman who annoys a man.

I mean, why should we put the blame on Lizz for York being in love with her and making her feel uncomfortable? if we're objective here, we can't defend York and bash Lizz.

What York did is unacceptable, he acted like a cretin, Lizz did what any other woman would have done ir her place, which is getting away from the man who annoyed her and don't have any relationship with him. That's it.

I agree 100% with you Monliz, your simply saying what it is, this constant victim bashing where the perpetrator tries to paint themselves as the victim or downplay the seriousness of their actions is unacceptable and must stop.

People must be held accountable for their actions and know that consequences will ensue if they do wrong or cross the line of normal acceptable conduct.

''No, that's not the point at all. When a man is infatuated by a woman and annoys her with his inappropriate behavior you can't put the blame on the woman, in this case the man is the only culprit. Same happens if it's a woman who annoys a man.

I mean, why should we put the blame on Lizz for York being in love with her and making her feel uncomfortable? if we're objective here, we can't defend York and bash Lizz.

What York did is unacceptable, he acted like a cretin, Lizz did what any other woman would have done ir her place, which is getting away from the man who annoyed her and don't have any relationship with him. That's it.

The producer Bill Froug's comments were not here say, they were from his auto bio he wrote, Liz's comments about York being drippy & all wet were from an actual interview she did.



I've seen a lot of interviews of Elizabeth Montgomery and I've never heard her say anything bad about Dick York. As a matter of fact, if Elizabeth had ever said a bad thing about York publicly, it would have gotten a lot of repercusion.

If Elizabeth indeed criticized York and you have the audio of that, post it, if you don't you're a liar. Period

This is funny because you seem to be the only person in the world who's seen that interview where Elizabeth supposedly said negative things about Dick York :lol:

Typical Yorkie Freak, Yawn............i simply state what the producer on the set who was there said in print in his bio., what York said in his bio. and other interviews, what York did in a TV interview about a year before his death with a grandstand stunt trying to call Liz at home to prove what great pals they were..........Not.........what she said to Herbie J Pilato in personal interviews, these are self evident truths, but then you can't handle the truth, this is all to clear...........Oh and what repressions ?, you would have put a hit on her????......the only repercussions would have been on York from the media,public and the industry for his unacceptable conduct.
Her comment where she said York was kind of drippy and all wet was in a print interview.

I've seen a lot of interviews of Elizabeth Montgomery and I've never heard her say anything bad about Dick York. As a matter of fact, if Elizabeth had ever said a bad thing about York publicly, it would have gotten a lot of repercusion.

If Elizabeth indeed criticized York and you have the audio of that, post it, if you don't you're a liar. Period

This is funny because you seem to be the only person in the world who's seen that interview where Elizabeth supposedly said negative things about Dick York :lol:

Typical Yorkie Freak, Yawn............i simply state what the producer on the set who was there said in print in his bio., what York said in his bio. and other interviews, what York did in a TV interview about a year before his death with a grandstand stunt trying to call Liz at home to prove what great pals they were..........Not.........what she said to Herbie J Pilato in personal interviews, these are self evident truths, but then you can't handle the truth, this is all to clear...........Oh and what repressions ?, you would have put a hit on her????......the only repercussions would have been on York from the media,public and the industry for his unacceptable conduct.
Her comment where she said York was kind of drippy and all wet was in a print interview.

I didn't say Elizabeth would have gotten repressions. What I meant is, had Elizabeth said negative things about York publicly it would have made a huge impact in the media and everybody would have talked about it. But I've never seen anyone saying Elizabeth criticized York in a interview, and of all the interviews I've seen of her she never said anything bad about Dick York.

If you want us to believe you, you'll have to give more details, in which year happened that interview? where did it happen? in which network? who interviewed her? Do you have a website where we can watch it? Have you seen the interview or it's just a hearsay?

I'm curious because I've seen you in every thread saying Elizabeth criticized Dick York publicly but you never prove it. I'm not sure if you're trolling or you're paranoid and that interview took place only in your head. :lol:

Okay, we have different camps of people here--those who support York and those who support Montgomery. And there may be some truth to both sides of the argument. And even if the two actors didn't socialize offscreen, that doesn't matter. What matters is that the on-screen chemistry between these two actors was very good. I love the first four seasons of this show. Unfortunately, by season five, York was in such bad physical shape that he missed a lot of the shows. I wish he had never hurt his back in 1959 on the set of the movie "They Came To Cordura". But it did happen and it hurt Mr. York's career and his life in the long run. But I believe he was a good person. Certainly, he was entitled to have feelings of affection towards Montgomery, but if he made her feel uncomfortable in the way he showed these feelings, he should have backed off that behavior. Anyway, I like both him and Miss Montgomery.

Also, I have never heard Miss Montgomery say anything bad about York in public interviews. Many of us have the habit of putting our favorite TV and movie stars on pedestals but the truth is, they are just human like the rest of us with the same types of good and bad feelings and behavior.

Let's just be thankful we have all the seasons of Bewitched that we have to enjoy over and over!

Also, I have never heard Miss Montgomery say anything bad about York in public interviews. Many of us have the habit of putting our favorite TV and movie stars on pedestals but the truth is, they are just human like the rest of us with the same types of good and bad feelings and behavior.

Let's just be thankful we have all the seasons of Bewitched that we have to enjoy over and over!

You've never heard Liz saying anything bad about York but I'm sure you've never seen her saying anything positive about him either. Liz never mentions him, in her interviews she always said positive things about the rest of the cast like Dick Sargent, Agnes, Paul White, Maurice... but she never talked about York.

I've seen two interviews of Liz where she was asked about the success of Bewitched, in both interviews she said that the success was because of the great cast, then she mentioned Agnes, Sargent, Paul White and some others, but in both interviews she didn't mention York, that says it all.

Liz didn't like York because be was infatuated with her, and made her feel uncomfortable, that's what people who worked on Bewitched have said, also reading how York talks about Lzz in his book it's clear that he was so infatuated with her that he annoyed her on the set.

Typical Yorkie Freak, Yawn............i simply state what the producer on the set who was there said in print in his bio., what York said in his bio. and other interviews, what York did in a TV interview about a year before his death with a grandstand stunt trying to call Liz at home to prove what great pals they were..........Not.........what she said to Herbie J Pilato in personal interviews, these are self evident truths, but then you can't handle the truth, this is all to clear...........Oh and what repressions ?, you would have put a hit on her????......the only repercussions would have been on York from the media,public and the industry for his unacceptable conduct.
Her comment where she said York was kind of drippy and all wet was in a print interview.

I didn't say Elizabeth would have gotten repressions. What I meant is, had Elizabeth said negative things about York publicly it would have made a huge impact in the media and everybody would have talked about it. But I've never seen anyone saying Elizabeth criticized York in a interview, and of all the interviews I've seen of her she never said anything bad about Dick York.

If you want us to believe you, you'll have to give more details, in which year happened that interview? where did it happen? in which network? who interviewed her? Do you have a website where we can watch it? Have you seen the interview or it's just a hearsay?

I'm curious because I've seen you in every thread saying Elizabeth criticized Dick York publicly but you never prove it. It's odd that you're the only one who's seen that interview.

You've never heard Lizz say anything bad about York but I'm sure you've never seen her saying anything positive about him either. Lizz never mentions him, in her interviews she always said positive things about the rest of the cast like Dick Sargent, Agnes, Paul White, Maurice... but she never talked about York.

I've seen two interviews of Lizz where she was asked about the success of Bewitched, in both interviews she answered saying that the success was because of the great cast, then she mentioned Agnes, Sargent, Paul White and some other, but in both interviews she didn't mention York, that says it all.

Lizz didn't like York because be was infatuated by her, and made her feel uncomfortable, that's what people who worked on Bewitched have said, also reading how York talks about Lizz in his book it's clear that he was so infatuated by her that he annoyed her on the set.

The last paragraph you wrote is pure speculation. I don't believe for a second that Dick York made Elizabeth feel uncomfortable. You can make your assumptions but it is just that, an assumption. It amazes me how you and Larrytate talk about Dick York harassing Elizabeth as if you had seen it.

No we convey the words of those that were there on the set that actually did see it and state in their own words what they heard and saw, what happened.

We are not saying we think, we are saying what they that were there said in corroborated fact in their quotes, they saw it, they heard it, they said it, we restate it, that clear enough for you.

Liz stated he was drippy and kind of all wet, her words, not in a TV interview but in a magazine article interview.

This was not back in the 1960's or 1970's but in the early 1990's.
Countless people who were there have stated what was happening, how they viewed it, you are simply refusing to accept the facts, it is your refusal that is made up and full of assumptions.

She never commented about him otherwise except for a generic comment where she said both DY and DS were very good in the role, she went on in great lengths about all the other cast members.

The last paragraph you wrote is pure speculation. I don't believe for a second that Dick York made Elizabeth feel uncomfortable. You can make your assumptions but it is just that, an assumption. It amazes me how you and Larrytate talk about Dick York harassing Elizabeth as if you had seen it.

No we convey the words of those that were there on the set that actually did see it and state in their own words what they heard and saw, what happened.

We are not saying we think, we are saying what they that were there said in corroborated fact in their quotes, they saw it, they heard it, they said it, we restate it, that clear enough for you.

Liz stated he was drippy and kind of all wet, her words, not in a TV interview but in a magazine article interview.

This was not back in the 1960's or 1970's but in the early 1990's.
Countless people who were there have stated what was happening, how they viewed it, you are simply refusing to accept the facts, it is your refusal that is made up and full of assumptions.

She never commented about him otherwise except for a generic comment where she said both DY and DS were very good in the role, she went on in great lengths about all the other cast members.

I have to believe Elizabeth said negative things about Dick York publicly just because you say so? I'm not refusing to accept the facts, what I refuse to accept is your fallacies. You still haven't proved anything, you haven't proved that interview existed.

If Dick York indeed was in love with Elizabeth and made her feel uncomfortable, Elizabeth would have used her power to tone down all the kissing. It would have been pretty uncomfortable for Elizabeth to do so many kisses to a person who is in love with her and behaved badly towards her, you even stated she wanted Dick York fired, that doesn't make sense to me.

All the corroborated facts have been presented to all in this and other recent threads here, if you persist in being an obfuscating,deflecting contradiction contrary fool then that is your issue.

I mean even if you heard it right from Elizabeth Montgomery's lips you would not .................ooops my bad, you did hear it right from her lips as did all.

I am not going to repeat all these facts in every post just so you can continue to ignore them as you have done, as that is all you got and all you can do in the face of them.:lol::crazy::wave:

Some people are a walking star trek moment as Capt Kirk shakes his head at Mr.Spock as he tells Scottie beam me there is no intelligent life down here.

I have been beamed up, you are still down there!!


I have to believe Elizabeth said negative things about Dick York publicly just because you say so? I'm not refusing to accept the facts, what I refuse to accept is your fallacies. You still haven't proved anything, you haven't proved that interview existed.

If Dick York indeed was in love with Elizabeth and made her feel uncomfortable, Elizabeth would have used her power to tone down all the kissing. It would have been pretty uncomfortable for Elizabeth to do so many kisses to a person who is in love with her and behaved badly towards her, you even stated she wanted Dick York fired, that doesn't make sense to me.

All the corroborated facts have been presented to all in this and other recent threads here, if you persist in being an obfuscating,deflecting contradiction contrary fool then that is your issue.

I mean even if you heard it right from Elizabeth Montgomery's lips you would not .................ooops my bad, you did hear it right from her lips as did all.

I am not going to repeat all these facts in every post just so you can continue to ignore them as you have done, as that is all you got and all you can do in the face of them.:lol::crazy::wave:

Some people are a walking star trek moment as Capt Kirk shakes his head at Mr.Spock as he tells Scottie beam me there is no intelligent life down here.

I have been beamed up, you are still down there!!

You keep rambling and rambling without saying nor proving anything. We're all still waiting for you to display anything that proves Elizabeth said negative things about Dick York.

If you say Elizabeth trashed Dick York in a interview, I have to believe you and take it as a fact just because you say so?:lol:

I didn't say Elizabeth would have gotten repressions. What I meant is, had Elizabeth said negative things about York publicly it would have made a huge impact in the media and everybody would have talked about it. But I've never seen anyone saying Elizabeth criticized York in a interview, and of all the interviews I've seen of her she never said anything bad about Dick York.

If you want us to believe you, you'll have to give more details, in which year happened that interview? where did it happen? in which network? who interviewed her? Do you have a website where we can watch it? Have you seen the interview or it's just a hearsay?

I'm curious because I've seen you in every thread saying Elizabeth criticized Dick York publicly but you never prove it. It's odd that you're the only one who's seen that interview.
He's been bashing Dick York for years. He never proves anything.

The shear hatefulness and bullying by Larry Tate and Monliz to anyone that disagrees with them is ridiculous. I heard Elizabeth say nice things about Dick York in the Tom Snyder interview. She was also talking to Dick York as he was on the phone. This was a radio show and there would not be any video of it. Like I said before, just because you did not hear it does not mean it did not happen. Get over your Dick York bashing.

This thread has run its course. Everybody has had their say. This topic has been discussed to death. Please do not create any more topics about it. They will be closed. Let's get back to discussing Bewitched.

Larry Tate, you are suspended for a week. You've got away with it for far too long. Stop with your insults and bullying with anybody who disagrees with your opinions. It's no longer going to be tolerated going forward. If you come back in 2020, I hope it's with a better attitude. We want a friendly community here.

I listened to an interview on The Tom Snyder radio show years ago. Tom Snyder was interviewing EM and had DY call in. They chatted and seemed to be very cordial towards one another. They spoke of times on the set and show and both seemed to be happy talking about their experiences. Maybe that interview buried any hard feeling between either of them. I thought they had great chemistry together. It was a bittersweet interview since Dick York died not to long after it. He was very sick and on oxygen during the interview and sounded very weak.


That couldn't be further from the truth, right before his death Dick York did a few interviews and he said he and Lizz never talked to each other since he left Bewitched. York said he called Liz weeks before he did that interview but she wasn't at home at that moment and she didn't return his calls.

So that interview you're talking about never happened, as stated by York himself. It's not that I don't want to believe you, it's just that York has admitted he and Lizz never talked after Bewitched, so there's no point in saying they did. You're 100% wrong.

Since Lizz didn't return York's calls it proves she wanted nothing to do with him, and it's understandable after his bad behavior towards her. And since she didn't want to talk to him in private, it's clear she wouldn't have accepted to talk to him in a interview publicly.

Saying York and Lizz talked to each other during an interview it's nothing but a lie.

Fake News, never happened.
Elizabeth Montgomery never spoke to or saw DY again after he left the show and Liz was Never interviewed by Tom Snyder.
DY was interviewed once on the radio and they called Liz's home but she was not home according to the maid who answered it.

DY's wife can confirm this as a fact.

I would ask you to prove it but then again you can't be asked to prove a non sequitur.

It as well has been widely reported that after his collapse on the set of Bewitched Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York never spoke to or ever saw each other again or interacted in any manner.

Never happened that is a fact, they never had ANY interaction whatsoever after Yorks collapse on the Bewitched set!
Liz was not present at that time either i might add.

I remember an ET interview DY did a few months before he passed, he was haggard, in a wheel chair with Oxygen tubes up his nose and he spoke glowingly about Bewitched and Liz
and stated they never talked again after Bewitched but that if they had it would be as if no time had passed when they were Darrin and Samantha.
I have it in my collection.

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I listened to an interview on The Tom Snyder radio show years ago. Tom Snyder was interviewing EM and had DY call in. They chatted and seemed to be very cordial towards one another. They spoke of times on the set and show and both seemed to be happy talking about their experiences. Maybe that interview buried any hard feeling between either of them. I thought they had great chemistry together. It was a bittersweet interview since Dick York died not to long after it. He was very sick and on oxygen during the interview and sounded very weak.

This from a serious fan and Elizabeth Montgomery collector Sheldon Cooper: "When I met Elizabeth the second time after she appeared in "Love Letters " with Robert Foxworth in San Francisco another fan asked Elizabeth after the show if she had seen Dick York and that he was dying. Elizabeth responded that No she had not seen Dick York. Like with many co-workers, once you are no longer working together, people go there separate ways. People don't always stay in touch. That's life!"

We are going to leave this thread open. Please do not launch any personal attacks or use insults against other members. There's to be no bullying of any type. Discuss it in a civilized manner.

I always do until i am attacked personally which has happened on this site repeatedly over the years, always by the same faction with the same pro Dick York agenda, usually combined with vicious attacks on Elizabeth Montgomery throwing hate on her for not being Samantha to Dick York as if he was Darrin in real life.

The thing is, saying Dick York and Lizz talked to each other in a show it makes no sense at all, because Dick York right before his death has stated that he and Lizz never talked to each other. And York's wife said that too.

Also, according to York himself, he called Lizz but she wasn't available in that moment and she never returned his call. And I understand Lizz for not returning York's call after what he did to her during the Bewitched years.

Fake News, never happened.
Elizabeth Montgomery never spoke to or saw DY again after he left the show and Liz was Never interviewed by Tom Snyder.
DY was interviewed once on the radio and they called Liz's home but she was not home according to the maid who answered it.

DY's wife can confirm this as a fact.

I would ask you to prove it but then again you can't be asked to prove a non sequitur.




I asked you to prove that Elizabeth said negative things about York publicly and you didn't, but then again I suppose you can't prove a non sequitur

Wrong again, it was proven by me, it is in Herbie J Pilatos Biography on Elizabeth Montgomery.

I asked you to prove that Elizabeth said negative things about York publicly and you didn't, but then again I suppose you can't prove a non sequitur

Wrong again, it was proven by me, it is in Herbie J Pilatos Biography on Elizabeth Montgomery.

What kind of proof is that? a proof is when you show something that corroborates what you say , you haven't showed anything .. why should we believe you?

And furthermore if you are talking about the book called Twitch Upon a star: The bewitched live of EM, you are prevaricating. I've read that book years ago and Elizabeth didn't say anything negative about Dick York.

If you are talking about another book, I still won't believe you until you show evidences of that.

Page 182 in Twitch upon a Star the Biography on Elizabeth Montgomery by Herbie J Pilato.

Consequently, Ackerman hosted an initial meeting with Froug, Asher and Lizzie and as Froug went on to explain.

"The first thing out of Liz's mouth was, "We've got to get rid of him", now i'm brand new and i am wondering "Who the hell is him", so after the meeting......
i finally had to say to Bill, "who is him", And he said "Dick York, Liz can't stand him".

Page 182 in Twitch upon a Star the Biography on Elizabeth Montgomery by Herbie J Pilato.

Consequently, Ackerman hosted an initial meeting with Froug, Asher and Lizzie and as Froug went on to explain.

"The first thing out of Liz's mouth was, "We've got to get rid of him", now i'm brand new and i am wondering "Who the hell is him", so after the meeting......
i finally had to say to Bill, "who is him", And he said "Dick York, Liz can't stand him".

I wasn't talking about that, what I was talking about is the comments Elizabeth made about Dick York being creepy, drippy and all wet, I've seen you in every thread telling people Elizabeth said those things about Dick York but you never proved it. I asked you to prove that but I guess you can't be asked to prove a non sequitur.

William Froug hated Elizabeth and he said bad things about her, he's not a reliable source, in case you didn't realize Froug was taking a shot at Elizabeth, not Dick York.

You were talking about negative comments, proof that Liz didn`t like York, there you have it like it or not from someone who was there on the set day after day in person who saw, heard and knew who had direct access to all the people who would know and have knowledge on the matter.

And yes Liz made her comments about York in a magazine interview, i have over 300 and i am not going to go through all of them to get the particulars, do your own research.

They were and are common knowledge by anyone who has any knowledge of Liz and the show and i do not have to prove anything to you.

Just because you want to take a hear no evil, see no evil know no truths of the matter is your issue.

Liz made these comments that is a fact, i have seen it and read it, all you are doing is being deflective,argumentative and obfuscating while being intentionally obtuse.

If she was standing in front of you telling you this happened you would come up with some argument to deflect away from the truth.

Froug did not hate Liz, there is no and you can provide no proof of this being the case but any made up justification to repudiate facts is in effect your argument against them.

No what Froug was doing was saying he had first hand knowledge that Liz could not stand York which is the whole point of this thread.

Froug and Asher are as reliable a source as could be the case.

I wasn't talking about that, what I was talking about is the comments Elizabeth made about Dick York being creepy, drippy and all wet, I've seen you in every thread telling people Elizabeth said those things about Dick York but you never proved it. I asked you to prove that but I guess you can't be asked to prove a non sequitur.

William Froug hated Elizabeth and he said bad things about her, he's not a reliable source, in case you didn't realize Froug was taking a shot at Elizabeth, not Dick York.

Page 182 in Twitch upon a Star the Biography on Elizabeth Montgomery by Herbie J Pilato.

Consequently, Ackerman hosted an initial meeting with Froug, Asher and Lizzie and as Froug went on to explain.

"The first thing out of Liz's mouth was, "We've got to get rid of him", now i'm brand new and i am wondering "Who the hell is him", so after the meeting......
i finally had to say to Bill, "who is him", And he said "Dick York, Liz can't stand him".

And right after that Froug said Elizabeth was a tough cookie

And yes Elizabeth Montgomery was a tough cookie, what is news about that, Jackie Cooper found that out directly at the start of Bewitched.

She didn`t take nothing from anyone, was strong willed with a stubborn streak and would stand up to anyone who got in her way, so what!

And right after that Froug said Elizabeth was a tough cookie

I wasn't talking about that, what I was talking about is the comments Elizabeth made about Dick York being creepy, drippy and all wet, I've seen you in every thread telling people Elizabeth said those things about Dick York but you never proved it. I asked you to prove that but I guess you can't be asked to prove a non sequitur.

William Froug hated Elizabeth and he said bad things about her, he's not a reliable source, in case you didn't realize Froug was taking a shot at Elizabeth, not Dick York.

William Froug, the producer of Bewitched in the third season, isn't a reliable source? oh my god :lol::lol:

I'm sure William Froug knows better about the things that happened on Bewitched than you or any of us, since he was there and we weren't.

York himself admitted he was in love with Lizz, he even went on talking about Lizz's legs, leaps and hair, it's clear he was infatuated with her, but he should have kept it for himself instead of bothering Lizz with his inappropriate behavior.

I understand Lizz for wanting York to get fired, any other woman would have done the same as Lizz if she had a crazy guy annoying her at work.

And yes Elizabeth Montgomery was a tough cookie, what is news about that, Jackie Cooper found that out directly at the start of Bewitched.

She didn`t take nothing from anyone, was strong willed with a stubborn streak and would stand up to anyone who got in her way, so what!

So now Elizabeth is not a humble person and an angel as you always proclaimed, good to know :lol:

William Froug, the producer of Bewitched in the third season, isn't a reliable source? oh my god :lol::lol:

I'm sure William Froug knows better about the things that happened on Bewitched than you or any of us, since he was there and we weren't.

York himself admitted he was in love with Lizz, he even went on talking about Lizz's legs, leaps and hair, it's clear he was infatuated with her, but he should have kept it for himself instead of bothering Lizz with his inappropriate behavior.

I understand Lizz for wanting York to get fired, any other woman would have done the same as Lizz if she had a crazy guy annoying her at work.

Look this is easy to understand, If all you said is true Dick York would have gotten fired. You think Elizabeth would have worked closely with Dick York for 5 years if he really harassed her or made her feel uncomfortable?

There is no if this is true, it is true, corroborated by those that were there on the set at the time and in that place.
Look what is easy to understand is that people who literally hate each other kiss and play lovers every day on TV and in the movies, he was very important to the show, the show came first and Asher said no he stays as he opted for the known rather then the unknown quality.

The answer is yes she would, yes she did and yes he did.

No we know Liz was a strong woman who would not be abused, pushed around or bullied and you are a Troll in the classic sense of the word and an example of all that is toxic and poisonous about social media and the internet, you are dismissed, deleted and muted from this point hence, good bye!!!!!:wave::wave::wave::wave:.

So now Elizabeth is not a the humble person and the angel as you always proclaimed, good to know :lol:
Look this is easy to understand, If all you said is true Dick York would have gotten fired. You think Elizabeth would have worked closely with Dick York for 5 years if he really harassed her or made her feel uncomfortable?

No we know Liz was a strong woman who would not be abused, pushed around or bullied and you are a Troll in the classic sense of the word and an example of all that is toxic and poisonous about social media and the internet, you are dismissed, deleted and muted from this point hence, good bye!!!!!:wave::wave::wave::wave:.

You always claimed Elizabet was the nicest person of the world, but know you've been forced to say she wasn't nice, because you always attack Dick York for what William Froug said, but the big problem you have is if we have to believe what Froug said about Dick York falling in love with Elizabeth, then we have to believe Froug too when she said Elizabeth was a tough cookie and nuts.

I got you :lol:

I never claimed Elizabeth Montgomery was the nicest person in the world although she was indeed a wonderful and lovely lady and human being.

As you attempted to do and failed in that attempt to put words in my mouth you have likewise failed in the like attempt to do so re William Froug as well.

Again you have nothing so you obfuscate, deflect and engage in argumentative debate tactics because you have nothing to offer in rebuttal, and yes you are still obsolete and moot to existence, you have also just been owned.!!!!!
:lol::lol::wave::wave::happyface

You always claimed Elizabet was the nicest person of the world, but know you've been forced to say she wasn't nice, because you always attack Dick York for what William Froug said, but the big problem you have is if we have to believe what Froug said about Dick York falling in love with Elizabeth, then we have to believe Froug too when she said Elizabeth was a tough cookie and nuts.

I got you

I never claimed Elizabeth Montgomery was the nicest person in the world although she was indeed a wonderful and lovely lady and human being.



The point is according to William Froug she wasn't wonderful and lovely lady and human being, because Froug said Elizabeth was a tough cookie and nuts, and he even said Elizabeth had a dark side.

I'm sure you don't agree with Froug on the things he said about Elizabeth. But you have no other choice, because if you say it isn't true what he said about her, then it wouldn't be true either what he said about Dick York falling in love with her.

I got you again Mr.Tate:lol:

Your a liar, all you have is your obsession with York.
Froug never said she was nuts and it is also clearly you who are calling her nuts nor did Froug say she was not wonderful or lovely, again fake views by you.

Your constantly trying to twist his comments into something they are not just to suit your argumentative point, which i might add is pointless.

You make up lies to attempt to discredit his comments about Yorks gross behavior which i might add was confirmed by many other cast members and crew,so your assault on Froug is moot as are you and your views. !!!

Again you have nothing so you obfuscate, deflect and engage in argumentative debate tactics because you have nothing to offer in rebuttal, you have also just been owned again.!!!!!

:lol::lol::lol::happyface:wave::wave:


You've done a huge mistake, because unlike you Mr.Tate I can prove the things I say.

I'm gonna post the link of William Froug's interview, you can hear right from his lips how he says Elizabeth was a tough cookie and nuts

Here is the interview: Fast forward to 45:47

https://interviews.televisionacademy.com/people/elizabeth-montgomery?clip=83921

You got completely owned my friend, now it's over Mr.Tate. You've been dismissed!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

Can this thread please be locked?

Froug never said she was not wonderful or lovely, again fake views by you.

Your constantly trying to twist his comments into something they are not just to suit your argumentative point, which i might add is pointless.

You make up lies to attempt to discredit his comments about Yorks gross behavior which i might add was confirmed by many other cast members and crew by York and even his wife,so your assault on Froug is moot as are you and your views. !!!

Again you have nothing so you obfuscate, deflect and engage in argumentative debate tactics because you have nothing to offer in rebuttal, you have also just been owned again.!!!!!

He publicly and on the record states Liz could not stand York and wanted to fire him and that this was due to Yorks harassing and inappropriate behavior which you say never happened and Froug who was actually there confirms publicly and on film that it did happen exactly as i have been stating and you have been in denial about.

This thread is about did Dick York Harass and bother Elizabeth Montgomery on the set of Bewitched and thanks to you right on camera on film you have William Froug who unlike you was actually there corroborate what many other cast members have said about Yorks inappropriate conduct and the fact that Elizabeth Montgomery could not stand him and wanted him fired after season two and spoke highly negatively about him, thank you as you have been very helpful in confirming all that i have been saying and contradicting all that you have been saying on this matter.

To further delinate the facts and the truth on Page 182 in Twitch upon a Star the Biography on Elizabeth Montgomery by Herbie J Pilato.

Consequently, Ackerman hosted an initial meeting with Froug, Asher and Lizzie and as Froug went on to explain.

"The first thing out of Liz's mouth was, "We've got to get rid of him", now i'm brand new and i am wondering "Who the hell is him", so after the meeting......
i finally had to say to Bill, "who is him", And he said "Dick York, Liz can't stand him".

You are dismissed, deleted as well as obsolete.

I am now done with this thread, the facts are there in pain sight for all to see that all that i have been posted are corroborated factual truths.

The Larry Tate

I am now done with this thread, the facts are there in pain sight for all to see that all that i have been posted are corroborated factual truths.

The Larry Tate

In the interview I posted Froug clearly said Elizabeth was a tough cookie and nuts, that's the opposite of being lovely and a wonderful person.

Froug in his book also said Elizabeth had a dark side

Now Mr.Tate you have to make up your mind and decide whether Froug is a reliable sorce or not. You can't pretend that what Froug said about Dick York annoying Elizabeth is true because it fits your narrative, but what Froug said about Elizabed being a tough cookie and nuts isn't true because it doesn't fit your narrative

If you want to take Frough as a reliable source, then you have to accept that Elizabeth was a tough a cookie and nuts because Froug said it.

You are dismissed, deleted as well as obsolete.:lol::wave:

No your mistaken, it is not the opposite side of the comments at all.
Your interpretation of his comments are invalid!

Froug never said she was not wonderful or lovely, again fake views by you.

Your constantly trying to twist his comments into something they are not just to suit your argumentative point, which i might add is pointless.

You make up lies to attempt to discredit his comments about Yorks gross behavior which i might add was confirmed by many other cast members and crew by York and even his wife,so your assault on Froug is moot as are you and your views. !!!

Again you have nothing so you obfuscate, deflect and engage in argumentative debate tactics because you have nothing to offer in rebuttal, you have also just been owned again.!!!!!

He publicly and on the record states Liz could not stand York and wanted to fire him and that this was due to Yorks harassing and inappropriate behavior which you say never happened and Froug who was actually there confirms publicly and on film that it did happen exactly as i have been stating and you have been in denial about.

This thread is about did Dick York Harass and bother Elizabeth Montgomery on the set of Bewitched and thanks to you right on camera on film you have William Froug who unlike you was actually there corroborate what many other cast members have said about Yorks inappropriate conduct and the fact that Elizabeth Montgomery could not stand him and wanted him fired after season two and spoke highly negatively about him, thank you as you have been very helpful in confirming all that i have been saying and contradicting all that you have been saying on this matter.

It starts at 44 min. 33 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4TOoRmQBA&t=3015s

To further delinate the facts and the truth on Page 182 in Twitch upon a Star the Biography on Elizabeth Montgomery by Herbie J Pilato.

Consequently, Ackerman hosted an initial meeting with Froug, Asher and Lizzie and as Froug went on to explain.

"The first thing out of Liz's mouth was, "We've got to get rid of him", now i'm brand new and i am wondering "Who the hell is him", so after the meeting......
i finally had to say to Bill, "who is him", And he said "Dick York, Liz can't stand him".

You are dismissed, deleted as well as obsolete.!!!
:lol::lol::wave::wave::happyface

The thing is William Froug is not the only one who said Dick York made Lizz feel uncomfortable with his inappropriate behavior, more people who worked on Bewitched have stated that too, so why would all of them lie about this?

The fact that many people who worked on Bewitched said the same thing as Froug, makes it believable. And since York himself admitted he was in love with Lizz, it makes it even more clear that he really annoyed her

The thing is William Froug is not the only one who said Dick York made Lizz feel uncomfortable with his inappropriate behavior, more people who worked on Bewitched have stated that too, so why would all of them lie about this?

The fact that many people who worked on Bewitched said the same thing as Froug, makes it believable. And since York himself admitted he was in love with Lizz, it makes it even more clear that he really annoyed her

Really? tell me who are those people who worked on bewitched and said Dick York harassed Elizabeth, please prove it

It starts at 44 min. 33 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4TOoRmQBA&t=3015s


"The first thing out of Liz's mouth was, "We've got to get rid of him", now i'm brand new and i am wondering "Who the hell is him", so after the meeting......
i finally had to say to Bill, "who is him", And he said "Dick York, Liz can't stand him".



And after that in 45 min 48 seconds, Frough says Elizabeth Montgomery was a tough cookie and nuts.:wave:

Really? tell me who are those people who worked on bewitched and said Dick York harassed Elizabeth, please prove it


Read Pilato's book about Elizabeth Montgomery, Twitch Upon a star. You'll read interviews of producers and crew members of Bewitched and they say York was in love with Lizz and he annoyed her

Your constantly trying to twist his comments into something they are not just to suit your argumentative point, which i might add is pointless.

You make up lies to attempt to discredit his comments about Yorks gross behavior which i might add was confirmed by many other cast members and crew by York and even his wife,so your assault on Froug is moot as are you and your views. !!!

Again you have nothing so you obfuscate, deflect and engage in argumentative debate tactics because you have nothing to offer in rebuttal, you have also just been owned again.!!!!!

He publicly and on the record states Liz could not stand York and wanted to fire him and that this was due to Yorks harassing and inappropriate behavior which you say never happened and Froug who was actually there confirms publicly and on film that it did happen exactly as i have been stating and you have been in denial about.

This thread is about did Dick York Harass and bother Elizabeth Montgomery on the set of Bewitched and thanks to you right on camera on film you have William Froug who unlike you was actually there corroborate what many other cast members have said about Yorks inappropriate conduct and the fact that Elizabeth Montgomery could not stand him and wanted him fired after season two and spoke highly negatively about him, thank you as you have been very helpful in confirming all that i have been saying and contradicting all that you have been saying on this matter.

It starts at 44 min. 33 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4TOoRmQBA&t=3015s

To further delinate the facts and the truth on Page 182 in Twitch upon a Star the Biography on Elizabeth Montgomery by Herbie J Pilato.

Consequently, Ackerman hosted an initial meeting with Froug, Asher and Lizzie and as Froug went on to explain.

"The first thing out of Liz's mouth was, "We've got to get rid of him", now i'm brand new and i am wondering "Who the hell is him", so after the meeting......
i finally had to say to Bill, "who is him", And he said "Dick York, Liz can't stand him".

You are dismissed, deleted as well as obsolete.!!!

:lol::lol::happyface:wave::wave::wave:

It starts at 44 min. 33 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4TOoRmQBA&t=3015s


"The first thing out of Liz's mouth was, "We've got to get rid of him", now i'm brand new and i am wondering "Who the hell is him", so after the meeting......
i finally had to say to Bill, "who is him", And he said "Dick York, Liz can't stand him".



And after that in 45 min 48 seconds, Frough says Elizabeth Montgomery was a tough cookie and nuts.

Mr.Tate you have to make up your mind and decide whether Froug is a reliable sorce or not. You can't pretend that what Froug said about Dick York annoying Elizabeth is true because it fits your narrative, but what Froug said about Elizabed being a tough cookie and nuts isn't true because it doesn't fit your narrative

If you want to take Frough as a reliable source, then you have to accept that Elizabeth was a tough a cookie and nuts because Froug said it.

You are dismissed, deleted as well as obsolete.!!!
:lol::lol::wave::wave::happyface

Your constantly trying to twist his comments into something they are not just to suit your argumentative point, which i might add is pointless.

You make up lies to attempt to discredit his comments about Yorks gross behavior which i might add was confirmed by many other cast members and crew by York and even his wife,so your assault on Froug is moot as are you and your views. !!!

Again you have nothing so you obfuscate, deflect and engage in argumentative debate tactics because you have nothing to offer in rebuttal, you have also just been owned again.!!!!!

He publicly and on the record states Liz could not stand York and wanted to fire him and that this was due to Yorks harassing and inappropriate behavior which you say never happened and Froug who was actually there confirms publicly and on film that it did happen exactly as i have been stating and you have been in denial about.

This thread is about did Dick York Harass and bother Elizabeth Montgomery on the set of Bewitched and thanks to you right on camera on film you have William Froug who unlike you was actually there corroborate what many other cast members have said about Yorks inappropriate conduct and the fact that Elizabeth Montgomery could not stand him and wanted him fired after season two and spoke highly negatively about him, thank you as you have been very helpful in confirming all that i have been saying and contradicting all that you have been saying on this matter.

It starts at 44 min. 33 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4TOoRmQBA&t=3015s

To further delinate the facts and the truth on Page 182 in Twitch upon a Star the Biography on Elizabeth Montgomery by Herbie J Pilato.

Consequently, Ackerman hosted an initial meeting with Froug, Asher and Lizzie and as Froug went on to explain.

"The first thing out of Liz's mouth was, "We've got to get rid of him", now i'm brand new and i am wondering "Who the hell is him", so after the meeting......
i finally had to say to Bill, "who is him", And he said "Dick York, Liz can't stand him".

You are dismissed, deleted as well as obsolete.!!!
:lol::lol::happyface:happyface:happyface:wave::wave:

It starts at 44 min. 33 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4TOoRmQBA&t=3015s


"The first thing out of Liz's mouth was, "We've got to get rid of him", now i'm brand new and i am wondering "Who the hell is him", so after the meeting......
i finally had to say to Bill, "who is him", And he said "Dick York, Liz can't stand him".



And after that in 45 min 48 seconds, Frough says Elizabeth Montgomery was a tough cookie and nuts.

Mr.Tate you have to make up your mind and decide whether Froug is a reliable sorce or not. You can't pretend that what Froug said about Dick York annoying Elizabeth is true because it fits your narrative, but what Froug said about Elizabed being a tough cookie and nuts isn't true because it doesn't fit your narrative

If you want to take Frough as a reliable source, then you have to accept that Elizabeth was a tough a cookie and nuts because Froug said it.

You are dismissed, deleted as well as obsolete.!!!
:lol::lol::wave::wave::happyface

Rocky what exactly are you trying to prove? is it that York wasn't in love with Lizz? York himself admitted in his book that he was in love with Lizz, he even went on details talking about her hair, lips and legs, that shows you how infatuated he was.

I can't understand why you are in denial about York's infatuation with Lizz, York himself said that.

Rocky what exactly are you trying to prove? is it that York wasn't in love with Lizz? York himself admitted in his book that he was in love with Lizz, he even went on details talking about her hair, lips and legs, that shows you how infatuated he was.

I can't understand why you are in denial about York's infatuation with Lizz, York himself said that.

Dick York said he found Elizabeth attractive, that doesn't mean he was in love with her.

York's two paragraphs talking about how he found Elizabeth attractive didn't compare to 41 years of marriage he shared with his wife until his death. Dick York's book was about his wife, he only talked about Elizabeth in one page, in the other pages he focused on his wife.

Dick York said he found Elizabeth attractive, that doesn't mean he was in love with her.

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You're wrong,York said he was in love with Lizz

"I first fell in love with Elizabeth Montgomery by leg distance. No, that’s not a typographical error, it’s not long distance. By leg distance. I’d seen her on an Alfred Hitchcock or a Thriller or one of those shows with Tom Poston and I thought, “My God, what a pretty dark-haired girl, and those legs, oh my God.” Hmm. Confession time, Elizabeth."

I walked in to read for Bewitched and Liz was sitting outside the office, too, reading — Memoirs of Anais Nin or, I don’t know, but by some chance I happened to be reading the same thing at the same time. I sat down and said, “Enjoying that?” She unfolded those gorgeous legs and looked at me, and I saw her in person for the first time. She had full lips and dark, soft hair. She was sex all over. Still are, Lizzie. You still are. I’ve seen you lately, you’ve still got that certain thing."

His words prove he was infatuated and acted lecherous.

His words prove he was infatuated and acted lecherous.

Infatuated, yes, but not proof he "acted lecherous" (you use that word a lot, huh). That would've been an extremely stupid thing to do considering her director husband William Asher was right there.


Fake News, never happened.
Elizabeth Montgomery never spoke to or saw DY again after he left the show and Liz was Never interviewed by Tom Snyder.
DY was interviewed once on the radio and they called Liz's home but she was not home according to the maid who answered it.


She was interviewed by Tom Snyder, and this person (https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.tv/c/rw6yb0j-XXM/m/JpcmdNlLT_AJ), in 1995 anyway, had a copy of it on cassette: "Audio cassette of a radio interview with Elizabeth done by Tom Snyder on 2/12/91. Very good interview."

Too bad there doesn't seem to be a way to contact them.

Whether or not Dick York was also on this show as Willbo asserted (and said they were very cordial to each other), I don't know, but it's not "fake news." She was indeed interviewed by Tom Snyder, and now we have an airdate.

I listened to an interview on The Tom Snyder radio show years ago. Tom Snyder was interviewing EM and had DY call in. They chatted and seemed to be very cordial towards one another. They spoke of times on the set and show and both seemed to be happy talking about their experiences. Maybe that interview buried any hard feeling between either of them. I thought they had great chemistry together. It was a bittersweet interview since Dick York died not to long after it. He was very sick and on oxygen during the interview and sounded very weak.

This is NOT fake news. I listened to it and tried to call into the show and could not get in. I do not appreciate you saying that. This happened in the early 90's so it would have been roughly 25 years after Dick York left the show. Tom Snyder had actually promoted that Elizabeth was going to be on. He said it would be a reunion of Samantha and Darrin. I enjoyed his show and listened to it nightly. It came on in the late night hours.

Every thing means nothing then, right?

York saying in his book that he fell in love with Lizz and talking about the beauty of her legs and all that, means nothing

Producers and crew members who worked on Bewitched saying that York was in love with her and made her feel uncomfortable, means nothing

Lizz not commenting York's death while commenting Sargent's death, means nothing

Lizz not talking to York ever again once he had the injury and not visiting him in the hospital, means nothing

Lizz mentioning the other actors of Bewitched while talking about the success of the series and never mentioning York, means nothing

A picture of York glancing over Lizz like a maniac while she looks uncomfortable, means nothing

Look, I understand that you like Dick York and have affection for him because of his work on Bewitched, but you can't just ignore all the signs that point to York being in love with her and Lizz not liking him because of that. At least you should admit it could very well be true all this given the plenty of signs pointing to that, instead of denying every thing.

I can't believe I never saw this response to my comment - I don't even remember making the comment.

The points you are making have nothing to do with my comment about a picture. Of course what those people said or didn't say tells a lot of the story of how they felt.

DY making those comments, sounds more like "lust" than "love." If you love someone, do you want to hurt and embarrass them? His comments would probably embarrass EM, and probably embarrass his wife, too. But not everyone is thoughtful of other people's feelings when they express themselves. Some people don't think things through that much. Those comments he made don't sound like "deep" feelings, they sound superficial. I suppose only DY really knows how he felt, if there was depth of emotion or if it was just infatuation for a beautiful woman.

The people there saying what they said, they had their opinions based on what they saw.

EM's behaviour says the most, imo. That she never talked about DY again...but what it means is still unclear. Was she angry, was she hurt, did she pity DY, did she just want to forget about the whole experience, was she just discreet and unwilling to talk about it because she felt it was personal? Maybe a little of all those possibilities, and more.

I wouldn't say I have an "affection" for DY at all, and it didn't and doesn't colour my feelings about this situation. Personally I prefer DS's Darrin, which puts me in a minority as most people seem to prefer DY as Darrin.

I wasn't denying anything but I do think (although I haven't given it much thought lately) that whatever inspired that initial comment about DY being mostly focused on medicating himself so that he wouldn't feel that pain that he suffered from was most likely his overwhelming feeling while working on Bewitched.

Sorry for the long delay in responding. I don't really have a side in any of this and it's not my intent to make excuses for anyone. I can feel sad for all of them for one reason or another. It would be nice to hear that everyone got along and was respectful of each other, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

EM's behaviour says the most, imo. That she never talked about DY again...but what it means is still unclear. Was she angry, was she hurt, did she pity DY, did she just want to forget about the whole experience, was she just discreet and unwilling to talk about it because she felt it was personal? Maybe a little of all those possibilities, and more.


After having read Herbie J. Pilato's book on Elizabeth Montgomery, "Twitch Upon a Star," her never talking to (or about) people again wasn't uncommon, including with people she had previously been close to, so I wouldn't read too much into it or assume something untoward happened, because that's just what she did. I was kind of bummed to find this out: she never talked to her best friend Sally Kemp again because she felt her father liked her more than her, she never talked to her previously-close Cousin Panda again for unknown reasons and she never had her meet her children, she never talked to the friends she had during her previous marriages, I guess because she wanted to move on (but why cut out Cliff Robertson and Dominick Dunne if Fred Cammann and Gig Young were the problems? They really missed her as a friend), she never talked to any of the "Bewitched" cast save for Erin Murphy after it ended, only reuniting with some of them after being interviewed for Pilato's book on "Bewitched," which she also did not talk about until then (late 1980s).

So if she did talk to Dick York on the Tom Snyder show as Willbo said, it would've been nice to have that sort of closure before they both died shortly afterwards.

DY making those comments, sounds more like "lust" than "love." If you love someone, do you want to hurt and embarrass them? His comments would probably embarrass EM, and probably embarrass his wife, too. But not everyone is thoughtful of other people's feelings when they express themselves. Some people don't think things through that much. Those comments he made don't sound like "deep" feelings, they sound superficial. I suppose only DY really knows how he felt, if there was depth of emotion or if it was just infatuation for a beautiful woman.

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I wasn't denying anything but I do think (although I haven't given it much thought lately) that whatever inspired that initial comment about DY being mostly focused on medicating himself so that he wouldn't feel that pain that he suffered from was most likely his overwhelming feeling while working on Bewitched.


Dick York's audio quote on YouTube is from his stream-of-consciousness memoir "The Seesaw Girl and Me" which he dictated on audiocassette. What is not included in that clip (because of course it wasn't; that particular YouTuber seems to have an agenda or something) is York musing in the book later to cut that part out and calling Liz because he didn't want to embarrass her. However, as it was published posthumously in the 2000s, there was no editing, and apparently not from his wife, either, who was still alive at the time. As someone else said earlier, two paragraphs about Liz do not negate the fact that most of the book was about the love he had for his wife Joey (and she knew that), but those parts won’t end up on YouTube.

I agree that the back pain + medication side effects were probably most of what he felt during the making of "Bewitched." It's possible he said or did something he wouldn't have under different circumstances, but who knows for sure. He starts out his remembrances by saying, “confession time, Elizabeth” which implies he never told her how he felt before. Despite what Monliz claims, only two crew members said anything publicly about the York/Montgomery behind-the-scenes relationship: William Froug in that selectively edited YouTube clip (from the same YouTube channel!) and his book (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=403696), and William Asher in the E! True Hollywood Story about Bewitched where he says "they were in love and they acted like it. It was obvious." (comparing the chemistry of York/Montgomery to Sargent/Montgomery; I find it odd he didn't just say "they acted like they were in love.")

Also, I went back in this nonsensical thread to try and find the picture Monliz claimed was "A picture of York glancing over Lizz like a maniac while she looks uncomfortable, means nothing"

...wut. Do you not know "Bewitched" enough to know that was from the episode "Divided, He Falls" where "fun Darrin" (who IS a maniac) and Samantha (who IS uncomfortable with "fun Darrin") go on vacation in Miami? That's the scene where they're by the pool. Same costumes, same backdrop, same character attitudes. This shot isn't in the episode, but that's where it's from.

Thank you Arfies for all the research and hard work you have been doing on Bewitched. The Tom Snyder interview did occur in the early 90's. It was a great interview of EM. DY called in (he sounded very weak) and they talked for a few minutes. Very cordial and kind to each other. It was so exciting for all the Bewitched fans. This radio show did come on in the late night/early morning hours. It is not surprising that many people were not aware of it.

Thanks again for all your hard work.

You’re welcome! I’d love to hear more about this interview. From what I understand, Tom Snyder’s radio show was broken into three parts- the first hour with a celebrity guest, the second hour with someone on the news, and the third hour of call-ins. Do you remember if EM and DY talked during the first hour or the third hour, or both? Do you happen to remember any specifics of what they talked about, or what sorts of questions the people who called in asked? Did they talk about other cast members? (I know it was a long time ago!)

This sort of surprises me, because I had previously heard they never talked to each other again, and had also heard that EM refused to go on either the Tom Snyder show or the Merv Griffin show if DY called in, but that also might just be hearsay.

I am not sure which hour it was but probably the 1st hour. I remember they spoke of how much they enjoyed Bewitched. His back problems were not discussed. They did talk about Dick’s work with the homeless. EM seemed really impressed and very happy about that. I don’t think they spoke about any other cast members. DY was not on more than 10 minutes as he sounded weak. I tried to call in but could not get through.

You’re welcome! I’d love to hear more about this interview. From what I understand, Tom Snyder’s radio show was broken into three parts- the first hour with a celebrity guest, the second hour with someone on the news, and the third hour of call-ins. Do you remember if EM and DY talked during the first hour or the third hour, or both? Do you happen to remember any specifics of what they talked about, or what sorts of questions the people who called in asked? Did they talk about other cast members? (I know it was a long time ago!)

This sort of surprises me, because I had previously heard they never talked to each other again, and had also heard that EM refused to go on either the Tom Snyder show or the Merv Griffin show if DY called in, but that also might just be hearsay.

I remember reading that Tom Syder wanted to reunite them in a TV interview - but Liz said no because interviews "terrified" her which she did verbally admit in her John Tesh interview years later. It had nothing to do with reuniting with York as I understand. That's what I remember anyway. This was when he had his actual 1970s TV show not the radio program later