I am reading Kirk Cameron's autobiography Still Growing now and just finished the chapter where Julie being fired was mentioned. I will quote the paragraphs from chapter 15 in bold, from the start of the Setting the Story Straight segment.

Contrary to popular gossip, I had nothing to do with the firing of Julie McCullough as my TV girlfriend because she posed for Playboy magazine. But don't take my word for it. According to Dan Guntzelman, the head show-runner for Growing Pains: "The truth is, Julie was let go because Mike being in a committed relationship was a dead end-he was, after all, an immature imp who was ill-equipped to deal with a grownup world on all levels. That's where the conflict and comedy came from: The maturity to have and maintain a lasting relationship fought against this...Julie was to play the part of Mike's first serious relationship-the first time he was swept up in something larger than himself, but she was never intended to be his mate for life, even the life of the series."
Producer Mike Sullivan confirms Dan's comments: "It was a guest star role; she wasn't hired as a series regular. There was never any intention of the Mike character being married or in a permanent romantic relationship."

I'm not a big Kirk Cameron fan anymore and haven't been since his heyday on Growing Pains, but I always found it hard to believe that he would deliberately get someone fired like that.

I'm not a big Kirk Cameron fan anymore and haven't been since his heyday on Growing Pains, but I always found it hard to believe that he would deliberately get someone fired like that.

I'm still a big Kirk Cameron fan, I loved him in Left Behind and Fireproof. I never believed he got Julie McCullough fired, besides he didn't have that kind of pull or authority to fire someone. People believe everything they hear or read. They are so gullible. :rolleyes:

I'm still a big Kirk Cameron fan, I loved him in Left Behind and Fireproof. I never believed he got Julie McCullough fired, besides he didn't have that kind of pull or authority to fire someone. People believe everything they hear or read. They are so gullible. :rolleyes:

That means if I read and believe your post I'm gullible :(

That means if I read and believe your post I'm gullible :(

Okay...:confused:

That's not how Julie McCullough sees things (https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/pictures/biggest-costar-feuds-and-fights-ever-w207187/sex-and-the-city-sarah-jessica-parker-vs-kim-cattrall-w207201/):


After Cameron’s character, Mike Seaver, proposed to McCullough’s Julie Costello, he stormed into the producer’s office and insisted there shouldn’t be a wedding. The actress said Cameron was disturbed by her nude photos and that’s why she only appeared on a handful of episodes on the ABC show, but in his biography, Cameron maintained that her role was never meant to be a long-term character.

That's not how Julie McCullough sees things (https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/pictures/biggest-costar-feuds-and-fights-ever-w207187/sex-and-the-city-sarah-jessica-parker-vs-kim-cattrall-w207201/):

Two of the producers say the same thing. They say that Julie was never meant to be a long term character and Mike wasn't the marrying kind. Kirk wouldn't lie about that. He didn't have the authority to fire someone. He may have disapproved of the photos, that doesn't mean be got her fired.

That's not how Julie McCullough sees things (https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/pictures/biggest-costar-feuds-and-fights-ever-w207187/sex-and-the-city-sarah-jessica-parker-vs-kim-cattrall-w207201/):Julie is bitter, she is lying. The show runner and a producer back Kirk up...

Two of the producers say the same thing. They say that Julie was never meant to be a long term character and Mike wasn't the marrying kind.

The same producers Kirk had previously called "pornographers"? Read the below.


After Cameron's religious conversion, his beliefs frequently interfered with production of the show. He insisted that no "adult themes" be incorporated into episodes, and he often demanded that entire episodes be re-written when he objected to the content (when one planned episode revolved around Julie giving Mike the key to her apartment, Cameron objected to the sexual connotations, and he forced a new script to be written). According to the Growing Pains episode of E! True Hollywood Story, Cameron at one point went so far as to call the President of ABC on the phone, and refer to executive producers Dan Guntzelman, Mike Sullivan and Steve Marshall as pornographers (http://flipthemoviescript.com/the-things-kirk-cameron-pulled-on-the-growing-pains-show/), due to the content of some of the episodes. In 1991, after the show's sixth season, the three men quit the show as a result of Cameron's actions and statements.

Cameron's conflicts with the writers were frequent in part due to his low level of tolerance for "immoral" behavior. For example, according to E True Hollywood Stories, one scene which he objected to would have shown Mike in bed with a girl. The camera would then pull back to reveal that the two were on stage, rehearsing a scene for a play. Even this oblique reference to sexuality was too much for Cameron.

The most significant instance of Cameron's editorial interference occurred in the 1989-1990 season which was supposed to involve Mike marrying his girlfriend Julie. However, Cameron objected to the fact that actress Julie McCullough, who played the popular character Julie Costello, had once posed nude for Playboy. Cameron demanded that the producers fire her or he would quit. McCullough was fired, and Julie was written out of the series as having left Mike at the altar.



Kirk wouldn't lie about that.

Kirk lied about the producers and called them "pornographers", to the President of ABC, because he felt the scripts were "too racy". He's got no credibility. If someone accuses someone of distributing pornography, they need to either prove it or admit they lied.

In this case, Kirk Cameron clearly lied to the President of ABC. So why is he suddenly telling the truth about Julie McCullough?


He didn't have the authority to fire someone.

He was the star of the show. Of course he had the leverage to demand they axe a guest star.


He may have disapproved of the photos,

I think we all know he did disapprove of the photos. He called his producers "pornographers" because he didn't approve of the... ahem... racy material on... Growing Pains. What would he then say of actual pornography?

This thread is based on a false premise: that Kirk Cameron's "haters" made up a lie about him. But Kirk Cameron didn't have haters in 1989. No-one in the public even knew of his religious conversion, and they certainly weren't hating on him.

This is something people on the set were saying in 1989 about him: it's not something recent. The October 30th, 1989 issue of People Magazine (https://people.com/archive/growing-painss-julie-mccullough-tries-to-bury-her-bare-all-past-vol-32-no-18/) stated that people were saying that Kirk wanted Julie fired, and stormed into Dan Guntzelman's office with demands.

Dan Guntzelman stated then, as he states now, that Kirk didn't make those demands. And yet, as late as October 1989, he was still saying he felt Julie was the right choice for the role. Tellingly, Dan Guntzelman, Steve Marshall, and Mike Sullivan left the show around that time. I suspect they didn't want people to know that they had caved to a child star's demands.

Julie has said (I think in the E! True Hollywood Story) that she didn't even know she had been fired, and only found out when she went to the set, and they had revoked her pass. That's an absolutely horrible way to find out you've been fired. A very non-Christian way of firing someone. And Kirk is to blame, whether he deliberately stormed into the producers' office, or just made it know he wouldn't tolerate any "non-Christian" behavior on his show, creating a hostile work environment for non-extreme Christians.

This is the same guy who insisted they hire his then-girlfriend, Chelsea Noble, to replace Julie. Or do you think it's just an accident that she got the role? He insisted he'd only kiss someone he was actually dating. This is the same guy who hurt his co-stars by not inviting them to his wedding, because he could only tolerate being around Christians.

Kirk Cameron is no Christian.

The same producers Kirk had previously called "pornographers"? Read the below.





Kirk lied about the producers and called them "pornographers", to the President of ABC, because he felt the scripts were "too racy". He's got no credibility. If someone accuses someone of distributing pornography, they need to either prove it or admit they lied.

In this case, Kirk Cameron clearly lied to the President of ABC. So why is he suddenly telling the truth about Julie McCullough?



He was the star of the show. Of course he had the leverage to demand they axe a guest star.



I think we all know he did disapprove of the photos. He called his producers "pornographers" because he didn't approve of the... ahem... racy material on... Growing Pains. What would he then say of actual pornography?

This thread is based on a false premise: that Kirk Cameron's "haters" made up a lie about him. But Kirk Cameron didn't have haters in 1989. No-one in the public even knew of his religious conversion, and they certainly weren't hating on him.

This is something people on the set were saying in 1989 about him: it's not something recent. The October 30th, 1989 issue of People Magazine (https://people.com/archive/growing-painss-julie-mccullough-tries-to-bury-her-bare-all-past-vol-32-no-18/) stated that people were saying that Kirk wanted Julie fired, and stormed into Dan Guntzelman's office with demands.

Dan Guntzelman stated then, as he states now, that Kirk didn't make those demands. And yet, as late as October 1989, he was still saying he felt Julie was the right choice for the role. Tellingly, Dan Guntzelman, Steve Marshall, and Mike Sullivan left the show around that time. I suspect they didn't want people to know that they had caved to a child star's demands.

Julie has said (I think in the E! True Hollywood Story) that she didn't even know she had been fired, and only found out when she went to the set, and they had revoked her pass. That's an absolutely horrible way to find out you've been fired. A very non-Christian way of firing someone. And Kirk is to blame, whether he deliberately stormed into the producers' office, or just made it know he wouldn't tolerate any "non-Christian" behavior on his show, creating a hostile work environment for non-extreme Christians.

This is the same guy who insisted they hire his then-girlfriend, Chelsea Noble, to replace Julie. Or do you think it's just an accident that she got the role? He insisted he'd only kiss someone he was actually dating. This is the same guy who hurt his co-stars by not inviting them to his wedding, because he could only tolerate being around Christians.

Kirk Cameron is no Christian.

I don't know how much of that is true but like I have said several times before, he apologized for his behavior back then. He was right about one of the shows producers, he WAS a pedophile. He was found with inappropriate photos of boys and admitted to being attracted to boys.
The way Kirk acted then is not the way he is now.
I still am a fan of his and enjoy the show regardless of what you say about him. Do you even know what being a real Christian is? Everyone falls short of the glory of God, nobody's perfect. People make mistakes, but the important thing is, he realized that he made some mistakes and his behavior was not ideal and he APOLOGIZED!!!
Jeremy Miller even defends Kirk and stands up for him!

Julie went to school in the town I grew up in. I even have a picture of her in my Junior High yearbook although she was a grade or 2 ahead of me. I remember when she was fired because it was the talk of the town. I didn't want her to leave the show. I think that's when GP JTS. But If Kirk didn't have her fired I don't know why this didn't come out then. It was big news. And I remember the E True Hollywood Story. You'd think something would have been said then. I like Kirk. I always have. I think he's grown up a lot since those days. Don't ever remember it being said he used to an atheist though.

I don't know how much of that is true but like I have said several times before, he apologized for his behavior back then.

"He apologized for his behavior" is very different than "he never tried to get people fired". No one disputes that he called the President of ABC, telling him the producers were "pornographers". What was he doing then, if it wasn't trying to get people fired?


He was right about one of the shows producers, he WAS a pedophile.

Being a pornographer is legal in this country. Being a pedophile is not. Kirk Cameron didn't call the President of ABC to report an incident of pedophilia. He called the President of ABC to complain that the producers were "pornographers" because they were asking him to be shown in a bed with a girl (with their clothes on) on the set of Growing Pains, in a play Mike was acting in. He found that morally unconscionable.


The way Kirk acted then is not the way he is now.

What do you mean? When he condemned gay marriage in 2014 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kirk-cameron-grammys-gay-marriage_n_4687607?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaHVmZnBvc3QuY29tL3RvcGljL2tpcmstY2FtZXJvbi1nYXktbWFycmlhZ2U&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ9ZnVO4PhttVoBB7kKOpsnvmsVj3wmfDPP7WjIvloORMeVXq76E1it5pcJ2ag5GV5Uo4pBiOPWF1RnsKRA5fAiDz9e-rD8m3gLKETk16k50leMvz1zUThF5l7FoJ7iFTBAj53up-Y0HhwGR8AL4wfOgDbMTjUGIAGTdTWlvNBMv), or when he said in 2016 that "wives are to honor and respect and follow their husband’s lead" (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kirk-cameron-marriage-and_b_9817892)? Or in 2017 when he said that Hurricanes Harvey and Irma were sent to "punish" (https://www.eonline.com/news/878928/kirk-cameron-stirs-controversy-over-hurricane-irma-comments) those who deserved God's wrath?

He may have stopped trying to get "sinners" fired from his hit show, but that's only because he doesn't have a hit show anymore. He continues to view those who believe differently than him to be "sinners" who must be "saved" by God's punishment.


I still am a fan of his and enjoy the show regardless of what you say about him.

I'm glad you enjoy the show! So do I. That doesn't mean he's blameless in what he's done.

Do you even know what being a real Christian is?

Yes. Exactly the opposite of Kirk Cameron, who continually forgets key passages of Jesus' teachings.

Everyone falls short of the glory of God, nobody's perfect.

Yes, nobody's perfect. If only that had been Kirk's philosophy when it came to Julie. Sadly, she didn't get a chance to even turn over a new leaf. She found out she'd been fired when she tried to go on set, and they had revoked her security.


People make mistakes, but the important thing is, he realized that he made some mistakes and his behavior was not ideal and he APOLOGIZED!!!

He apologized, years later, to the folks on the Growing Pains movie. That didn't include Julie, who wouldn't have been allowed on the set.


Jeremy Miller even defends Kirk and stands up for him!

Jeremy Miller has never defended Kirk's firing of Julie. Jeremy and Julie remain close (https://sw-ke.facebook.com/JeremyJamesMillerPage/posts/so-excited-my-dear-friend-julie-mccullough-will-be-joining-me-for-the-bedford-in/10156435621940954/).

Julie went to school in the town I grew up in. I even have a picture of her in my Junior High yearbook although she was a grade or 2 ahead of me.

Wow, that's really cool!

I remember when she was fired because it was the talk of the town. I didn't want her to leave the show. I think that's when GP JTS.

Same here. It's not that there weren't good episodes after Julie was fired, but that season was, I think, the apex of the show. Chelsea Noble wasn't as funny as Julie had been, and then Tracey Gold developed anorexia and was no longer on the show... It held up better than other shows in their final seasons, but it just wasn't as good as the classic years.

"He apologized for his behavior" is very different than "he never tried to get people fired". No one disputes that he called the President of ABC, telling him the producers were "pornographers". What was he doing then, if it wasn't trying to get people fired?



Being a pornographer is legal in this country. Being a pedophile is not. Kirk Cameron didn't call the President of ABC to report an incident of pedophilia. He called the President of ABC to complain that the producers were "pornographers" because they were asking him to be shown in a bed with a girl (with their clothes on) on the set of Growing Pains, in a play Mike was acting in. He found that morally unconscionable.



What do you mean? When he condemned gay marriage in 2014 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kirk-cameron-grammys-gay-marriage_n_4687607?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaHVmZnBvc3QuY29tL3RvcGljL2tpcmstY2FtZXJvbi1nYXktbWFycmlhZ2U&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ9ZnVO4PhttVoBB7kKOpsnvmsVj3wmfDPP7WjIvloORMeVXq76E1it5pcJ2ag5GV5Uo4pBiOPWF1RnsKRA5fAiDz9e-rD8m3gLKETk16k50leMvz1zUThF5l7FoJ7iFTBAj53up-Y0HhwGR8AL4wfOgDbMTjUGIAGTdTWlvNBMv), or when he said in 2016 that "wives are to honor and respect and follow their husband’s lead" (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kirk-cameron-marriage-and_b_9817892)? Or in 2017 when he said that Hurricanes Harvey and Irma were sent to "punish" (https://www.eonline.com/news/878928/kirk-cameron-stirs-controversy-over-hurricane-irma-comments) those who deserved God's wrath?

He may have stopped trying to get "sinners" fired from his hit show, but that's only because he doesn't have a hit show anymore. He continues to view those who believe differently than him to be "sinners" who must be "saved" by God's punishment.



I'm glad you enjoy the show! So do I. That doesn't mean he's blameless in what he's done.



Yes. Exactly the opposite of Kirk Cameron, who continually forgets key passages of Jesus' teachings.



Yes, nobody's perfect. If only that had been Kirk's philosophy when it came to Julie. Sadly, she didn't get a chance to even turn over a new leaf. She found out she'd been fired when she tried to go on set, and they had revoked her security.



He apologized, years later, to the folks on the Growing Pains movie. That didn't include Julie, who wouldn't have been allowed on the set.



Jeremy Miller has never defended Kirk's firing of Julie. Jeremy and Julie remain close (https://sw-ke.facebook.com/JeremyJamesMillerPage/posts/so-excited-my-dear-friend-julie-mccullough-will-be-joining-me-for-the-bedford-in/10156435621940954/).
Good for him, he's a good kid. Even if he and Julie are close, so are he and Kirk. That's my point. So Kirk was a stupid kid, he made mistakes. He did apologize for his behavior and it's old news now.
That whole thing where Kirk said women should submit to their wives, the rest of that was left out; it also says "husbands love and cherish your wives". Jeremy even mentions that in an interview. He defends Kirk!
In the Bible it says homosexuality is wrong and an abomination, so what Kirk is saying isn't completely wrong.
Anyway I'm tired of this conversation or debate. We are just going to agree to disagree.

He should have left the show if he didn't agree with the writers and producers rather than having a tantrum. Usually when a person changes religions, philosophies or belief systems, the person becomes better (usually noticeable by his/her close friends). That wasn't the case here. It seems that Kirk became some sort of monster who was unrecognizable to people that worked with him.

He should have left the show if he didn't agree with the writers and producers rather than having a tantrum. Usually when a person changes religions, philosophies or belief systems, the person becomes better (usually noticeable by his/her close friends). That wasn't the case here. It seems that Kirk became some sort of monster who was unrecognizable to people that worked with him.

He's long since apologized for his behavior and realized he was being difficult. They have all forgiven him and are close again. He's even on board with Tracey and Jeremy for a reboot of the show to honor Alan Thicke's memory. He took Alan's death pretty hard, as they all did but he said that Alan was like a father to him, always giving him advice. He had nothing but good things to say about Alan.
Kirk is a good Christian man who made mistakes in his past but has owned up to them. People may not agree with his beliefs but I admire him for standing up for his beliefs and loving God. It's better than drugs and crime. :)

He should have left the show if he didn't agree with the writers and producers rather than having a tantrum.

Yeah, unfortunately that didn't happen. Instead, Julie and the producers had to leave the show, forced out of a show they had helped make successful.

Usually when a person changes religions, philosophies or belief systems, the person becomes better (usually noticeable by his/her close friends). That wasn't the case here. It seems that Kirk became some sort of monster who was unrecognizable to people that worked with him.

Yeah, it really is sad, because Kirk had been such a likeable teenager; finding God really destroyed his professional life and his relationships with a number of cast and crew.

Julie shares her side in the E True Hollywood Story (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvIrKIo9NAY). :eek:

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Yeah, unfortunately that didn't happen. Instead, Julie and the producers had to leave the show, forced out of a show they had helped make successful.Growing Pains was successful long before Julie's first episode and still did well enough to continue three seasons after she was fired. While I liked her character Julie was a very small part of the show's popularity. And the producers weren't forced out, they chose to leave. They were the ones who fired Julie never having intended for her to be a regular in the first place, not Kirk Cameron.

Growing Pains was successful long before Julie's first episode and still did well enough to continue three seasons after she was fired. While I liked her character Julie was a very small part of the show's popularity. And the producers weren't forced out, they chose to leave. They were the ones who fired Julie never having intended for her to be a regular in the first place, not Kirk Cameron.

Thank you!!! I completely 100% agree with you! I tried to explain it myself but you did it so much better and got your point across. You're awesome! :D

Thank you!!! I completely 100% agree with you! I tried to explain it myself but you did it so much better and got your point across. You're awesome! :DThanks! :D I take it from your profile picture that season 6 is your favorite?

Thanks! :D I take it from your profile picture that season 6 is your favorite?

One of my favorites, yes but I mostly just like the picture. :)

Growing Pains was successful long before Julie's first episode and still did well enough to continue three seasons after she was fired.

But that's not really true, is it? Julie made three appearances in Season Five, including as late as episode 18. The ratings plummeted from 17.6 million viewers with Julie, to just 8.6 million viewers in Season Seven with Kate, tied for 75th place with shows that were quickly cancelled.

While I liked her character Julie was a very small part of the show's popularity.

I don't know that I'd say "very small". They lost more than half of their audience after Julie left.


And the producers weren't forced out, they chose to leave.

After being accused of being "pornographers" by a 17-year-old Christian know-it-all star of the show, who called up the President of ABC to file a complaint. Who wouldn't leave, in that kind of environment?

Kirk Cameron gave Christians a very bad reputation with his antics on the set of Growing Pains.

But that's not really true, is it? Julie made three appearances in Season Five, including as late as episode 18. The ratings plummeted from 17.6 million viewers with Julie, to just 8.6 million viewers in Season Seven with Kate, tied for 75th place with shows that were quickly cancelled.



I don't know that I'd say "very small". They lost more than half of their audience after Julie left.Season 5 was just three appearances, one of which was the season premiere wrapping up the previous season finale story line. Obviously most of season 5 did just fine without Julie. You don't mention season 6 at all. Julie was gone then, and Kate was also recurring that season. The audience drop didn't happen until the final season, when it was moved to Saturdays. Season 6 Growing Pains obviously still did well enough for renewal one more time. And you are conveniently forgetting Growing Pains was a hit long before Julie ever appeared on the show. She didn't start recurring until season 4, so I still say she was a very small part of the show's overall popularity.

Regardless of how Kirk Cameron handled things on the show, he did not get Julie fired. That was solely the producers' decision, they never intended for her to be a regular.

But that's not really true, is it? Julie made three appearances in Season Five, including as late as episode 18. The ratings plummeted from 17.6 million viewers with Julie, to just 8.6 million viewers in Season Seven with Kate, tied for 75th place with shows that were quickly cancelled.



I don't know that I'd say "very small". They lost more than half of their audience after Julie left.



After being accused of being "pornographers" by a 17-year-old Christian know-it-all star of the show, who called up the President of ABC to file a complaint. Who wouldn't leave, in that kind of environment?

Kirk Cameron gave Christians a very bad reputation with his antics on the set of Growing Pains.

What is your freaking obsession with Julie? The show was good before she appeared and after she left. Believe me, she was only a very minor character on the show and was never meant to be long term. Julie's appearances on the show or lack thereof had no bearing on the show whatsoever.
It seems like all you're doing is coming on this board to bash Kirk Cameron and to put Julie on a pedestal like she's some kind of saint.
I liked Julie on the show, she was funny, sweet and cute but she was only a minor character and really added nothing to the show. If Kirk said he didn't get her fired, he didn't get her fired. You weren't there so you don't know what really happened.
One of the producers that quit was a pornographer AND a pedophile!!! So Kirk was correct about that! So please get over yourself. :rolleyes:

Season 5 was just three appearances, one of which was the season premiere wrapping up the previous season finale story line. Obviously most of season 5 did just fine without Julie. You don't mention season 6 at all. Julie was gone then, and Kate was also recurring that season. The audience drop didn't happen until the final season, when it was moved to Saturdays.

Not true. The show went from #13 in the annual Nielsen Ratings in Season 4 to #27 in Season 6.

And you are conveniently forgetting Growing Pains was a hit long before Julie ever appeared on the show.

I didn't forget that at all. The show was a genuine hit before Kirk Cameron found God, and through his antics, the "pornographer" producers left, and Julie got canned. You don't really think it's a coincidence that Kirk's real-life girlfriend just happened to be the best actress to fill the position of replacement girlfriend, do you?

Oh, you're back in the conversation, Jade? I hadn't responded to your last post because you said you were tired of the conversation, and just wanted to "agree to disagree". I was trying to be kind, and let you have the last word in the conversation between us. But as you are now responding to my comments to others, I feel it's quite necessary to respond. Please don't respond to this post and then tell me you're tired of the conversation again. Either participate, or don't, but don't tell me you're done with the conversation, and then reply to my comments to other people.

Julie's appearances on the show or lack thereof had no bearing on the show whatsoever.

The ratings simply don't bear that out, Jade. #13 under Julie, #75 under Kate, Julie's replacement.

Everyone remembers what happened, even The Huffington Post (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/has-the-hills-jumped-the_b_119565). Decades later, people still remember what Kirk did, and he didn't even try to deny it in the E! True Hollywood Story. His denial was made decades later, and is now believed by people who think Kirk Cameron "haters" made the story up years later. But those of us who were around in 1989 remember the story, we remember who said what, and who didn't even try to deny it at the time.


It seems like all you're doing is coming on this board to bash Kirk Cameron and to put Julie on a pedestal like she's some kind of saint.

No, I'm in this thread to respond to a post which was started with the false claim that Kirk Cameron "haters" made up a lie that he had Julie McCullough fired. Kirk Cameron didn't have haters when this story broke in Fall 1989: he had only recently become Born Again. No-one beyond the set and his church even knew of Kirk's religious conversion. The news stories from 1989 demonstrate that this was already something the producers were eager to quash: the image of an out-of-control child star demanding that one actress he worked with be fired so the job could be given to his real-life girlfriend, and the producers capitulating to his demands to placate him. I know you can understand why the executive producers of a TV show would not want that kind of bad publicity reflecting on their show.

If Kirk said he didn't get her fired, he didn't get her fired.

Kirk's own actions on the show, where he repeatedly embarrassed, hurt, or caused problems for other cast and crew on the set because they weren't following his chosen path, demonstrate otherwise.

One of the producers that quit was a pornographer AND a pedophile!!! So Kirk was correct about that!

Kirk called "the producers", plural, pornographers, in a call to the President of ABC. And he did it as a response to them writing scenes in Growing Pains that he objected to. There were no "pornographic" scenes in Growing Pains, as you very well know. It was a family show with good moral values: the characters are often tempted to do the wrong thing, but they always find their way back to better behavior, sharing the laughter and love. Kirk was emphatically not correct to call the producers "pornographers", and your excusing that behavior is horrifying. Think how horrified you would be if one of your co-workers called your boss' boss to complain that you and two of your fellow co-workers were "pornographers", and thereby damaged your reputation. You wouldn't want to work with that person anymore, I bet. You might even choose to leave your job and start afresh somewhere else.

And you would be horrified if, decades later, people were publicly justifying that employee's accusations against you because of what one of your co-workers had done, and because they're the same religion as the employee who made the false accusation against you.

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=263704
Steve Marshall WAS a pedophile and pornographer! That behavior is sickening and inexcusable!

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=263704
Steve Marshall WAS a pedophile and pornographer! That behavior is sickening and inexcusable!

Which has nothing to do with Kirk Cameron calling Dan Guntzelman and Michael Sullivan"pornographers", as you well know.

That's not how Julie McCullough sees things (https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/pictures/biggest-costar-feuds-and-fights-ever-w207187/sex-and-the-city-sarah-jessica-parker-vs-kim-cattrall-w207201/):

Of course, US is a highly-regarded source of truth.

Of course, US is a highly-regarded source of truth.

Lots of other sources state the same thing (http://www.wingmanmagazine.com/julie-mccullough/), including Julie's interview with the E! True Hollywood story.


I wound up doing the twist with Kirk Cameron there in Philadelphia. That’s how I originally met them. Then a couple years go by and I go in to audition for the show and immediately when Kirk Cameron saw me we were happy to see one another. I was auditioning for one role, but Kirk kept saying to the casting director; “The nanny! The nanny!” So, when I got out of there, the casting director pulled me aside and she said “We’re not going to cast you in this role, however we would like you to come back for another role that’s shooting next week and it’s for a character that’s known as the nanny.” I thought it was all great. I went back and auditioned with Kirk and got the part. He was happy I was there, and I was happy he was there- it was fun, and I was set to play his future love interest and the nanny on the show. So, then I did a couple episodes on the show and they were great. Then the holidays and Christmas came that year, and once they past, I came back to work to do another episode and I was now set to be his love interest- but, in the mean time, Kirk had become a born-again Christian and started separating himself slowly but surely from the entire cast, and that’s when it all happened. So, they knew I was a playmate when they hired me on the show, and then I got word when I came back after they had engaged our characters only to find out that I was completely written out of the episode- and they didn’t tell me until I read the script! I was told by the producers at the time that Kirk held the contracts over their heads for the next two seasons. His mother was his agent or manager at the time, and they held the contract up basically saying that they refuse to resign for the last two seasons of the show unless they wrote me off. So, once they wrote me off, Kirk then re-signed for the next two seasons. So, I came in, did the table read, found out that I was written off the show, and then they started celebrating later that afternoon because Kirk had re-signed on for the last two seasons. That’s how it went down. That is the exact story. When I left there I didn’t even know how to feel about acting, because as guest stars you weren’t treated well. So, after that show, my first guest star spot on a was then when I got a role on “The Golden Girls.” I played a character named Mary, their pregnant neighbor whose dad kicked her out and the golden girls took her in. It was just such a different experience. They were the most lovely, amazing female actresses I have ever worked with! They were so amazing! But, everyone was wonderful; the production crew, the director, the producers, everybody was so unbelievably cool, and sweet, and kind, and I had just gone through that whole thing with “Growing Pains” and I was so scared that was really the way shows were, and then I had this blessing as “The Golden Girls” show me the way it’s really supposed to be, so it really just brought back my faith in the acting and entertaining business.

The Orlando Sentinel said much the same (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2001-08-19-0108150404-story.html):

Teen heartthrob Kirk Cameron, who played Mike Seaver, considered fame to be hollow and found meaning in his Christian faith. Yet he also distanced himself from fellow actors, hurt their feelings and didn't invite them to his wedding to co-star Chelsea Noble.

"Kirk kind of pulled away from all of us in a way that made it very odd suddenly," Kerns says. "We were all really close. Then we weren't."

"He kind of pulled into himself and became much more shy," says Jeremy Miller, who played brother Ben Seaver. "That was hard -- hard watching somebody that you love that much become somebody you really didn't know."

Cameron pushed for changes to make Mike more responsible and demanded script revisions. "It made it an unhappy set and the actors were not happy and the producers were not happy," says executive producer Steve Marshall.

Cameron considered some material on the tame sitcom so racy that he complained to ABC brass that the three executive producers were pornographers. The fed-up producers quit their lucrative jobs.

Vice.com said the same thing (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bmb3gw/the-contentious-relationship-between-evangelicals-and-hollywood):


After all, the de facto leader of this movement, Kirk Cameron, once accused the producers of the 80s family sitcom Growing Pains of being "pornographers" for portraying marriage-less romance.

IMDB.com says the same thing:


Between the 1988-89 season cliffhanger and 1989-90 season premiere, Kirk Cameron had a religious awakening and demanded that Julie McCullough's character of Mike's fiancee be written out of the show because she had appeared in "Playboy" Magazine in the past. Cameron's girlfriend, Chelsea Noble, was then hired to replace her.

Lots of other sources state the same thing (http://www.wingmanmagazine.com/julie-mccullough/), including Julie's interview with the E! True Hollywood story.

The Orlando Sentinel said much the same (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2001-08-19-0108150404-story.html):



Vice.com said the same thing (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bmb3gw/the-contentious-relationship-between-evangelicals-and-hollywood):



IMDB.com says the same thing:

As I've said several times before, Kirk has long since apologized for his behavior back then and it's all water under the bridge now.

I just love how the producers said that Kirk didn't get Julie fired and then turn around and say he did.
He was a stupid, naive kid that did some stupid things but he realizes that now and has long since apologized for his behavior back then. He even did two reunion movies with his former co-stars and they've made up. Kirk was at Alan's funeral and took it hard when he died. He's so on board with Tracey and Jeremy for a reboot of the show. I wish we could just move on past this, it's all old news and is no longer relevant and doesn't affect how I feel about Kirk or the show. Im done talking about it.

Not true. The show went from #13 in the annual Nielsen Ratings in Season 4 to #27 in Season 6.
#27 is still in the overall top 30 and a strong performer compared to most shows. It didn't drop to #75 until moved to Saturday nights for season 7, which a lot of shows would drop if moved there. Regardless of your obsessive hatred for Kirk Cameron, he did not get Julie fired. The producers never intended for her to be a regular. I will repeat what the show-runner and producer said in my first post starting this thread. According to Dan Guntzelman, the head show-runner for Growing Pains: "The truth is, Julie was let go because Mike being in a committed relationship was a dead end-he was, after all, an immature imp who was ill-equipped to deal with a grownup world on all levels. That's where the conflict and comedy came from: The maturity to have and maintain a lasting relationship fought against this...Julie was to play the part of Mike's first serious relationship-the first time he was swept up in something larger than himself, but she was never intended to be his mate for life, even the life of the series."
Producer Mike Sullivan confirms Dan's comments: "It was a guest star role; she wasn't hired as a series regular. There was never any intention of the Mike character being married or in a permanent romantic relationship."

Regardless of whether or not the producers were pornographers, no one can deny that Julie was part of the pornography business. Playboy and other magazines of that ilk are obscene and have no business being sold in any store. And it might not be the case today with all the smut littering TV, but family friendly shows back then would have had morals clauses for the actors that could get you fired. Dana Plato (much more important to Diff'rent Strokes than Julie ever was to Growing Pains) was fired from Diff'rent Strokes because she got pregnant.

I also would take anything E "True" Hollywood Story says about Kirk and Julie with a grain of salt. The Hollywood media has been very prejudiced against Christians for a long time now and will lie about and twist anything to discredit them.

#27 is still in the overall top 30 and a strong performer compared to most shows. It didn't drop to #75 until moved to Saturday nights for season 7, which a lot of shows would drop if moved there. Regardless of your obsessive hatred for Kirk Cameron, he did not get Julie fired. The producers never intended for her to be a regular. I will repeat what the show-runner and producer said in my first post starting this thread. According to Dan Guntzelman, the head show-runner for Growing Pains: "The truth is, Julie was let go because Mike being in a committed relationship was a dead end-he was, after all, an immature imp who was ill-equipped to deal with a grownup world on all levels. That's where the conflict and comedy came from: The maturity to have and maintain a lasting relationship fought against this...Julie was to play the part of Mike's first serious relationship-the first time he was swept up in something larger than himself, but she was never intended to be his mate for life, even the life of the series."
Producer Mike Sullivan confirms Dan's comments: "It was a guest star role; she wasn't hired as a series regular. There was never any intention of the Mike character being married or in a permanent romantic relationship."

Regardless of whether or not the producers were pornographers, no one can deny that Julie was part of the pornography business. Playboy and other magazines of that ilk are obscene and have no business being sold in any store. And it might not be the case today with all the smut littering TV, but family friendly shows back then would have had morals clauses for the actors that could get you fired. Dana Plato (much more important to Diff'rent Strokes than Julie ever was to Growing Pains) was fired from Diff'rent Strokes because she got pregnant.

I also would take anything E "True" Hollywood Story says about Kirk and Julie with a grain of salt. The Hollywood media has been very prejudiced against Christians for a long time now and will lie about and twist anything to discredit them.

Well said! :bighug:
I have a feeling that nobody is going to win this argument, unfortunately. :(

Kirk’s sister Candace is also a born-again Christian, but she doesn’t seem to attract the dislike that Kirk does.

Kirk’s sister Candace is also a born-again Christian, but she doesn’t seem to attract the dislike that Kirk does.

Candace never called the president of ABC to complain that producers at Full House were being "pornographers" by having her kiss someone who wasn't her boyfriend. Candace never had fellow cast-mates fired because they didn't conform to her own moral standards. Candace never alienated or excluded her castmates because they were of a different religion. Candace never posted on social media about sinners getting what they deserved through the wrath of God.

Candace has continually showed both grace and wisdom, and is such a positive example of what a Christian can be, should aspire to be: a good human being who has a deep faith in the Lord, but who abides by Jesus' teachings not to cast stones and treat others as she would like to be treated.

Her brief time on The View was refreshing: she could espouse a conservative point of view with class, and even attract people to Christianity with her poise and dignity.

#27 is still in the overall top 30 and a strong performer compared to most shows.

I would agree with that, but I was responding to your comment that "The audience drop didn't happen until the final season, when it was moved to Saturdays", which is simply not true. The sixth season was the lowest-rated season until the disastrous seventh season which saw the show shedding even more viewers. But it cannot be serious argued that "Julie's appearances on the show or lack thereof had no bearing on the show whatsoever" when the ratings demonstrate otherwise. Millions of people tuned out, as reflected in the ratings and in comments from long-time viewers on JumpTheShark.com who took the time to write about when they stopped watching:


I have always liked the show, but as soon as Kirk Cameron's character started keeping his nose clean it got boring. I later found out that he found God and became a snob towards the rest of the cast. That was what made the show go to hell (no pun intended). I felt sorry for the live in nanny when she got bounced. Thanks to Mr Cameron. Now I have nothing against religion. I believe that there is a God, but gee I don't need it shoved in my face! Another thing. Kirk's wife. DAMN! Can that woman find a job in Hollywood without tagging along with her husband?!

It went from bad to intolerable when Kirk Cameron started to think this show was written by "pornographers". I'm guessing Kirk doesn't get out much.

When Kirk Cameron went from witty, popular teen idol to a religious fanatic. I honestly think religion is okay, but when taken to the extreme just like drugs or anything else causes major problems. Everyone on the show admitted how hard he was to work with and how he had no sense of humor or fun in his personality. Thicke admitted that Cameron needed to take a "chill pill." "Born Again Christians" are just as sick as those who are deemed insane. They go overboard and do and blame everything on something that can't even be seen by the human eye. Faith is great and all, but changing your whole lifestyle and not doing anything because of your religion can lead to a lifestyle of boredom and extremity. It has been taught that it's always good to have balance. Kirk Cameron is the prime example of this. He went from a fun guy to be around to an arrogent, picky pain in the *ss no one wanted to deal with. The storylines became lame, and soon "Growing Pains" joined the shark infested waters.

He found his Lord and lost himself. So he gets into this power trip where he refuses to do episodes or pouts unless certain people are fired or topics changed.


Regardless of your obsessive hatred for Kirk Cameron

Hold on, Sparky. I'm going to stop you right there. Responding to your comments isn't any more "obsessive" than making the comments in the first place, so cut the BS.

I don't hate Kirk Cameron; I certainly am horrified by what he did to his fellow cast and crew-mates on Growing Pains, and since it's been brought up, it really is okay to discuss it, even though it was many years ago. And yes, he apologized to some people, and yet he's still in denial about what he did to other castmates.

I'm also horrified by your justification for Julie's firing, pointing out that she had, years previously to her appearances on GP, posed for Playboy. I think it's quite difficult to argue that Julie wasn't fired while also arguing that it was okay to fire her because she was immoral for posing in the first place. It can't be both.

Was Julie McCullough’s acting career ruined by her experience on GP?

I would agree with that, but I was responding to your comment that "The audience drop didn't happen until the final season, when it was moved to Saturdays", which is simply not true. The sixth season was the lowest-rated season until the disastrous seventh season which saw the show shedding even more viewers. But it cannot be serious argued that "Julie's appearances on the show or lack thereof had no bearing on the show whatsoever" when the ratings demonstrate otherwise. Millions of people tuned out, as reflected in the ratings and in comments from long-time viewers on JumpTheShark.com who took the time to write about when they stopped watching:

Hold on, Sparky. I'm going to stop you right there. Responding to your comments isn't any more "obsessive" than making the comments in the first place, so cut the BS.

I don't hate Kirk Cameron; I certainly am horrified by what he did to his fellow cast and crew-mates on Growing Pains, and since it's been brought up, it really is okay to discuss it, even though it was many years ago. And yes, he apologized to some people, and yet he's still in denial about what he did to other castmates.

I'm also horrified by your justification for Julie's firing, pointing out that she had, years previously to her appearances on GP, posed for Playboy. I think it's quite difficult to argue that Julie wasn't fired while also arguing that it was okay to fire her because she was immoral for posing in the first place. It can't be both.

I agree, if that was the reason for her firing thats really messed up. But other shows around the time did things like that. Lisa Bonet I believe was one.

Candace never called the president of ABC to complain that producers at Full House were being "pornographers" by having her kiss someone who wasn't her boyfriend. Candace never had fellow cast-mates fired because they didn't conform to her own moral standards. Candace never alienated or excluded her castmates because they were of a different religion. Candace never posted on social media about sinners getting what they deserved through the wrath of God.

Candace has continually showed both grace and wisdom, and is such a positive example of what a Christian can be, should aspire to be: a good human being who has a deep faith in the Lord, but who abides by Jesus' teachings not to cast stones and treat others as she would like to be treated.

Her brief time on The View was refreshing: she could espouse a conservative point of view with class, and even attract people to Christianity with her poise and dignity.

True, Candace could've probably reported Bob for all the stuff he did on set. But she knew he never did anything with malicious intent.

I agree, if that was the reason for her firing thats really messed up. But other shows around the time did things like that. Lisa Bonet I believe was one.

True, but with Lisa it was a little different: she appeared nude after getting the role on The Cosby Show, not years earlier.


True, Candace could've probably reported Bob for all the stuff he did on set. But she knew he never did anything with malicious intent.

She's always said Bob and Dave got very "blue" and cursed like sailors. Yet she never tried to get people fired for their "pornographic" mouths.

Was Julie McCullough’s acting career ruined by her experience on GP?

It would have been, I suspect, but the producers of The Golden Girls offered her a role as a young pregnant girl the same year she'd been fired from Growing Pains, and this led to roles on Beverly Hills, 90210, Evening Shade, The Drew Carey Show, etc. She's remained in the business, and now has more credits on IMDB than Kirk.

True, but with Lisa it was a little different: she appeared nude after getting the role on The Cosby Show, not years earlier.



She's always said Bob and Dave got very "blue" and cursed like sailors. Yet she never tried to get people fired for their "pornographic" mouths.



Ah I wasn't aware Julie had posed before getting the role.

Yes Candace and Kirk are very different.

Julie is bitter, she is lying. The show runner and a producer back Kirk up...


That isn't necessarily so. TV producers often lie to actors on the show to get what they want out of them. While the producers might be thinking that she is temporary, that doesn't mean that they didn't tell her something else to prevent her from looking elsewhere for work and leaving before they were done with her.

Marcia Strassman wanted to leave Welcome Back Kotter because she was on screen for two minutes a week. The entire show took place at the school and she had no part in it. Producer James Komack would tell her fanciful stories about how the focus of the show would change to her and that he was saving her because Gabe Kaplan wanted her fired, which wasn't true.




He should have left the show if he didn't agree with the writers and producers rather than having a tantrum. Usually when a person changes religions, philosophies or belief systems, the person becomes better (usually noticeable by his/her close friends). That wasn't the case here. It seems that Kirk became some sort of monster who was unrecognizable to people that worked with him.

Funny, but no one ever says that when radical feminists or other liberals "fight for what they believe" on a TV show. They're considered heroes. But if conservatives do it, they're monsters and should leave the show.

Does anybody on here feel that the way that Julie was written off was when you get right down to it, a case of hypocrisy at its worse? I mean, the excuse was that she appeared in Playboy while working on Growing Pains, but Julie McCullough appeared nude in Playboy in 1985 but didn't join the cast till 1989.

Well, to clarify, Playboy ran a pictorial of Julie in 1989 in response to her new found fame on the show with old photos from 1985. At the time, Playboy took several pictorials of the centerfolds and ran with one in the magazine while extra photos were used in the newsstand specials or run a pictorial of the several years later. I mean, she did appear in Playboy after that but if she was good enough to join the show after appearing in Playboy, a re-appearance was not important.

One theory that I would have some reason to believe is that the real reason for why Kirk Cameron wanted Julie off of the show was so that he could get his real life girlfriend (Chelsea Noble) a job.

Kirk’s sister Candace is also a born-again Christian, but she doesn’t seem to attract the dislike that Kirk does.

Lisa Whelchel is also very outspoken about her Christian faith and yet unlike Kirk Cameron, she never used her faith as an excuse to be uncooperative or egocentric during the production or writing of The Facts of Life. The only time that I'm aware of, that Lisa didn't want to partake in something due to her morals was a storyline in which one of the main characters lost their virginity despite not being married.

I somewhat wonder now, if Kirk was in part, upset over Julie appearing in Playboy because he considered it a betrayal of the wholesome, "girl next door" type of character (https://growing-pains.fandom.com/wiki/Julie_Costello) that she portrayed on the show. I mean, even if you know nothing about Growing Pains and the background of Julie's character, if you saw photos (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/growing-pains/images/c/c8/Semper_Fidelis_22.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/126?cb=20170224095651) of her from that era, you would probably be hard pressed to not assume that she was a girl who would be posing for Playboy. She just looks like the prototypical girl that you would feel comfortable enough to take her home to meet your parents.

Kirk Cameron doesn't act like a Christian.

Candace never called the president of ABC to complain that producers at Full House were being "pornographers" by having her kiss someone who wasn't her boyfriend. Candace never had fellow cast-mates fired because they didn't conform to her own moral standards. Candace never alienated or excluded her castmates because they were of a different religion. Candace never posted on social media about sinners getting what they deserved through the wrath of God.

Candace has continually showed both grace and wisdom, and is such a positive example of what a Christian can be, should aspire to be: a good human being who has a deep faith in the Lord, but who abides by Jesus' teachings not to cast stones and treat others as she would like to be treated.

Her brief time on The View was refreshing: she could espouse a conservative point of view with class, and even attract people to Christianity with her poise and dignity.

I remember seeing Candace at the Kids Choice Awards when Fuller House one the award for Favorite TV Show. And during her acceptance speech, many people assumed (https://www.today.com/news/fuller-house-stars-seemingly-refer-lori-loughlin-kids-choice-awards-t150872) that she was showing her support for her co-star Lori Loughlin, who was in the mist of the college admissions scandal.

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I hate to imagine how a seemingly rigid and judgmental person Kirk Cameron would feel if one of his Growing Pains co-stars like Tracey Gold or Jeremy Miller got involved in some huge scandal.

Kirk Cameron is one of the most hated people in Hollywood and it has nothing to do with being a Christian.

Kirk Cameron is one of the most hated people in Hollywood and it has nothing to do with being a Christian.

Indeed. Candace is a Christian, and has a major following. It's their different approaches which have marginalized Kirk, while Candace remains a major TV star.

You remember that episode (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0593298/) from Season 5, where Mike and Kate go on a date and Julie (https://growing-pains.fandom.com/wiki/Julie_Costello) is the waitress? The only reason why Julie McCullough appeared in the "Mike, Kate and Julie" (https://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?t=84575) episode despite recently being given her walking papers was because she was contractually obligated (https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0593298/trivia/?ref_=tt_dyk_trv) to do so. Kirk Cameron at the time, had the leverage to make the Growing Pains producers kick Julie off the show. His contract was up for renewal and one of his stipulations for signing a new deal was that Julie was no longer part of the show.

Julie went to school in the town I grew up in. I even have a picture of her in my Junior High yearbook although she was a grade or 2 ahead of me. I remember when she was fired because it was the talk of the town. I didn't want her to leave the show. I think that's when GP JTS. But If Kirk didn't have her fired I don't know why this didn't come out then. It was big news. And I remember the E True Hollywood Story. You'd think something would have been said then. I like Kirk. I always have. I think he's grown up a lot since those days. Don't ever remember it being said he used to an atheist though.

Kirk actually knew (https://www.reddit.com/r/GrowingPainsTV/comments/1ks40hr/til_that_kirk_cameron_was_not_a_very_nice_guy/) Julie long before she was hired for Growing Pains:
Evidently both Kirk and Julie were both working a convention and had signing obligations. Kirk for the GP show and Julie for Playboy. In fact, Julie was dressed up as a Playboy bunny at the convention and when Kirk first saw her he was absolutely smitten with her. Evidently Alan Thicke was also at this convention an acted has Kirk's wingman by going back to Julie and attempting to talk her into coming back to the convention the next day to meet up with Kirk and watch a Chubby Checker show together (which she did). During that concert Kirk and Julie actually got on stage together with Chubby to do the "twist."

Later Kirk somehow got Julie's personal contact information and communicated with her multiple times inviting her to visit him on the set of GP (which Julie never went to). In terms of Julie being hired to be on the Show during season 4, I'm not sure how that came to be, but Kirk did absolutely know who she was and had met her in the past. Personally, I wouldn't be stunned if he Kirk had something to do with her being hired.

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