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My DVD's arrived today and I am for the most part pleased. The picture seems a little grainy, but I only viewed them on my computer. My main interest was the run times. The majority are 25+ minutes. Out of the 39 episodes, there are six episodes cut to 22+ minutes and another one is 23+ minutes because Bub singing "Caroline In The Morning" for 1:54 is cut out. It can be found intact on a TV Land episode.
I paid no attention to the music as it doesn't matter to me. I was too young to remember the "real" music, so I don't even bother with it. However, there is a notice on the back and I will screen cap it below. Apparently, for music sticklers, the music has been changed.
Just happy they went ahead and released another season and it is primarily uncut, which is my ultimate goal with this series.
Here are the run times per episode.
Season 3 Volume 1
Disc 1
25:42 / Weekend In Tokyo (9/20/1962)
22:27 / Robbie's Employment Service (9/27/1962)
25:43 / Tramp's First Bite (10/4/1962)
25:24 / Moment Of Truth (10/11/1962)
22:27 / Daughter For A Day (10/18/1962)
25:41 / The Ghost Next Door (10/25/1962)
25:42 /Pretty As A Picture (11/1/1962)
Disc 2
25:42 / What's Cooking? (11/8/1962)
22:27 / Chip's Last Fight (11/15/1962)
25:44 / Steve Gets An "A" (11/22/1962)
25:43 / Heat Wave (11/29/1962)
22:43 / The Beauty Contest (12/6/1962)
25:41 / Doctor In The House (12/13/1962)
25:41 / Going Steady (12/20/1962)
Disc 3
25:41 / Mother Bub (12/27/1962)
25:42 / Honorable Grandfather (1/3/1963)
25:42 / How To Impress A Woman (1/10/1963)
25:41 / Roman Holiday (1/17/1963)
22:38 / Flashback (1/24/1963)
25:42 / The Dream Book (1/31/1963)
Season 3 Volume 2
Disc 1
25:08 / Big Chief Bub (2/7/1963)
25:41 / Clunky Kids (2/14/1963)
25:43 / Caged Fury (2/21/1963)
25:43 / Make Way For Yesterday (2/28/1963)
25:42 / Robbie Wins His Letter (3/7/1963)
25:43 / High On The Hog (3/14/1963)
25:41 / First Things First (3/28/1963)
Disc 2
25:42 / Bub's Butler (4/4/1963)
25:44 / Francesca (4/11/1963)
25:44 / The Rug (4/18/1963)
25:42 / The System (4/25/1963)
25:42 / Let's Take Stock (5/2/1963)
25:44 / Total Recall (5/9/1963)
Disc 3
22:31 / When I Was Your Age (5/16/1963)
25:41 / Chip's World (5/23/1963)
23:46 / Evening With A Star (5/30/1963) 1:54 Song Cut
25:43 / The Date Bureau (6/6/1963)
25:42 / Bub's Sacrifice (6/13/1963)
25:43 / Found Money (6/20/1963)
Hazel Anyday 05-23-2019, 04:07 PM My first reaction, I'm sickened and disappointed, BUT not surprised. My surprise would have been if they DIDN'T cut out the music. The dirty #$!)*#*&s. Removing the original background music ruins the show for me, it IS that important.
But with that out of my system, I'm very happy that at least most episodes are complete, though why there are so many 22 min. shows is a mystery to me. I will have to watch my old Sons recordings to see if there was some reason for it. Thanks goodness for Family Channel, Nick @ Nite and TV Land.
stevea 05-23-2019, 05:43 PM On another thread someone posted that the music wasn't replaced on this release. Of course they cut "Carolina" if they cut Bub singing in the Croaker. I made posts before wondering why they would cut a song which was copyrighted in 1929 (Carolina...). Then when I checked further, I found its copyright was renewed and won't expire until 2025. They may have wanted an arm and a leg to license it, but CBS/Amazon also wanted an arm and a leg for these DVD sets ($70 IS an arm and a leg for 1 season of a sitcom).
As far as the incidental music goes, it all depends on when they brought that in-house and had DeVol compose it. I don't remember when I first heard that familiar opening/transition music (which, once DeVol wrote it, was used in different arrangements for the rest of the series) but it strikes me it was in season 4. Music written for the show shouldn't have to be cut.
In any case I got the set today, and I'm looking forward to seeing how well they generally did.
Another thing I was thinking about: I wondered why they restarted M3S on DVD after 11 years. My theory is that MeTV may have wanted improved masters. But who knows?
I will be interested to know if you thought the picture was little grainy. And, maybe you can tell at a glance about the music since the back of the box says it was replaced, but someone says otherwise.
stevea 05-23-2019, 09:59 PM Well, I screened a little of Weekend in Tokyo, and the incidental music sounds like something that would have been original to the episode.
I also screened the beginning of Tramps First Bite. The music at the beginning was music I've heard on tons of other shows from that era, like Ozzie & H, Dennis, etc. This makes me think there were probably not any incidental music substitutions. Good news!
I screened a little of Employment Service, 3-2, a syndication cut. I think it had degraded audio, from the little I checked.
The picture quality is passable. I'd place money that these episodes were not remastered using either a 35mm original print, or the original negatives. The PQ looks like what you'd see on MeTV. Also, if they had used originals, there wouldn't be any syndication cuts.
IMO, they used fairly good quality (B), complete (when available) 16mm masters, and 16mm syndication masters (not as good quality) when a complete episode was not available. You sometimes see a slight waver of the image, something that would be corrected in a good remaster. Sometimes it's stated these episodes were never syndicated. That's probably not true, since older copies of them have Viacom logos attached at the end.
I'm glad to have the generally-unavailable complete episodes. I think the price could have been somewhat reduced, since a full-blown remastering evidently was not done.
Hazel Anyday 05-23-2019, 10:22 PM Well, I'm feeling better now if you recognized some of the original music being used. Maybe it's going to be like other CBS TV releases where they'll replace some background music but leave others alone. My guess is that's just what they're doing otherwise they wouldn't bother with that disclaimer on the back cover.
As for the question, why after 11 years is season 3 now available, maybe it's Me TV we can thank. Surely having the show on everyday now for several years must have increased people's awareness of the program not to mention creating brand new fans of the show of people who may never have heard of it before till Me TV started showing it. This was why I was so glad to see Hazel return to TV when Antenna started up, before that young people had never heard of Hazel. Now Hazel's on FETV as well. It's always a good thing when older shows come back on the TV schedule so that new people can discover it and become just as much fans as us old timers. Especially shows that were missing from TV screens for decades before now.
I will be happy to finally see uncut episodes of the new season 3 of the Sons program, just for all the uncut episodes it will be worth buying. Though I too hope the outrageous price now will come down in 6 months. By the way, with the exorbitant prices they're charging, why couldn't they have included the original Bub music, as expensive as these DVDs are they should be able to afford a few bucks for a 1916 song. Now I'm getting mad again, thinking about it. But OK, I'm still going to buy for the uncut episodes. So I's happy.:D
stevea 05-23-2019, 11:24 PM I'm betting no music substitutions were done. Just "Carolina..." and maybe some other cuts we haven't found yet (although nothing else stands out in episode length).
I think Frawley and Vance performed that song on ILL. Bet CBS footed the bill to license it for that DVD release.
Svenfan1234 05-24-2019, 10:46 AM I'm betting no music substitutions were done. Just "Carolina..." and maybe some other cuts we haven't found yet (although nothing else stands out in episode length).
I think Frawley and Vance performed that song on ILL. Bet CBS footed the bill to license it for that DVD release.
The 25 min episodes are complete, but the 6 22 min episodes and the 1 23 min episode are clearly not.
stevea 05-24-2019, 10:58 AM Unfortunately, the 6 22 minute episodes are syndication cuts, and the 23 minute episode is the network version minus the Carolina song.
I had to know, so I simultaneously ran all three sources for the six 22 minute episodes this afternoon.
All six episodes were edited identically on TV Land, ME-TV and the new CBS official release. It also seemed like the background music was also the same on all of them.
Makes me wonder if the people who claim that Nick-at Nite ran ALL the episodes uncut could be mistaken, and that there may have been a few episodes on Nick's run that actually were only 22 minutes.
stevea 05-24-2019, 11:06 PM I'll bet you're right. The same is probably true with any station/channel that ran S7, with those few episodes that are syndication length near the end of that season. Probably ALL that's available are the syndication episodes, unless CBS goes into the archives and actually remasters the episodes.
We can expect the same, if they put season 4 and 5 on DVD.
S8 thru 10 and the first half of S11 should be all full-length, with the last half of 11 and all of 12 another mixture of full-length and syndicated (unless they clean up their act by then).
Time will tell if they continue with S4 & S5. I would still be happy with a few syndicated episodes to get the majority of the others uncut.
This Season 3 release was so unexpected that it gives me hope they will continue.
You are right and I forgot about those few S7 episodes being shortened on those local channels that ran them. Probably should expect the same thing if we get that far. Honestly, I am happy with those uncut S6-S10, and might not even bother with spending the $$'s if they continue releasing them beyond S5.
1960'sTVfan 05-25-2019, 12:35 AM Since there are edited episodes in the 22 minute range, it's a no sale for me although I'm not a big My Three Sons fan anyway, only mildly curious to see the episodes. If all the episodes would be uncut I might have gone for it.
stevea 05-25-2019, 07:19 AM Time will tell if they continue with S4 & S5. I would still be happy with a few syndicated episodes to get the majority of the others uncut.
This Season 3 release was so unexpected that it gives me hope they will continue.
You are right and I forgot about those few S7 episodes being shortened on those local channels that ran them. Probably should expect the same thing if we get that far. Honestly, I am happy with those uncut S6-S10, and might not even bother with spending the $$'s if they continue releasing them beyond S5.
I'd be happy if they skipped 6-10 and went right to 11 and 12.
stevea 05-25-2019, 09:09 AM Since there are edited episodes in the 22 minute range, it's a no sale for me although I'm not a big My Three Sons fan anyway, only mildly curious to see the episodes. If all the episodes would be uncut I might have gone for it.
You might consider Vol. 2, which has only 1 syndicated episode. The other 5 are on Vol. 1.
1960'sTVfan 05-25-2019, 10:43 AM You might consider Vol. 2, which has only 1 syndicated episode. The other 5 are on Vol. 1.
I'll see, I'll think about it. What's surprising to me is that a handful of edited/syndicated episodes ended up on these season 3 sets. With seasons 1 and 2, while there are issues with the music replacements, the episodes otherwise are uncut. Maybe there are elements issues with the uncut masters of these six season 3 episodes, so CBS went with the syndicated/edited versions.
How about the episode Big Chief Bub? This one runs about 25:10 while the other uncut eps are about 25:40. Maybe this episode has a brief, 30 second scene cut from it? :confused: Or maybe it originally just ran a little short.
Yep, another issue with music for the shortened version of, "Big Chief Bub."
In 2 places scenes with the WW1 era song, "K-K-K- Katy" were edited out. At the end, they just silenced the song and had a dub of Bub calling out marching orders to the boys, but you could see that the boys' moms were singing.
1960'sTVfan 05-25-2019, 01:17 PM Yep, another issue with music for the shortened version of, "Big Chief Bub."
In 2 places scenes with the WW1 era song, "K-K-K- Katy" were edited out. At the end, they just silenced the song and had a dub of Bub calling out marching orders to the boys, but you could see that the boys' moms were singing.
Wow, thanks for confirming that the episode is indeed edited. This is why I'm always skeptical of shorter run times, even if it's just a few seconds shorter. Doesn't always mean the episode is edited, but often times it is.
Another episode I noticed is "Moment Of Truth", it runs about 25:25 on the DVD instead of 25:40. The episode could be complete or maybe there's about 15 seconds cut from it.
1960'sTVfan 05-25-2019, 02:34 PM I'm not going to order season 3, too many problems with edited episodes. I placed an order thru Amazon for seasons 1 and 2, paid about $45 total for both seasons, not a bad deal so I went for it. I imagine that the music changes/replacements in the episodes probably won't bother me much, main thing is aside from the music issues the episodes appear to be uncut.
stevea 05-25-2019, 05:11 PM The episodes are uncut on seasons 1 and 2, and the picture quality is A+. It shows what they can do with remastering original elements.
I found out in another thread there is a minor music cut in the episode, "The Croaker." Bub doing a little singing again.
1960'sTVfan 05-25-2019, 05:27 PM The episodes are uncut on seasons 1 and 2, and the picture quality is A+. It shows what they can do with remastering original elements.
I found out in another thread there is a minor music cut in the episode, "The Croaker." Bub doing a little singing again.
Yes I noticed "The Croaker" episode runs about 30 seconds shorter than usual, I was wondering if something might be edited. "The Lostling" is another one that's about 30 seconds short, but the other run times for season 1 and 2 shows are generally around 25:40 which indicate they're uncut.
Hazel Anyday 05-25-2019, 09:38 PM Well, I don't have the new Season 3 commercial DVDs yet BUT I can tell you for a fact that the TV Land and Nick @ Nite versions ARE different from the ME TV versions. Some scenes cut from ME TV are seen in the TV Land versions and vicey versey. Not that the ME TV or NICK versions are Uncut, as the edits to these shows differ from the edits to the ME TV versions. Bub singing "Carolina In The Morning" in the TV Land version on 3.36 and that scene cut from ME TV and the new S.3 DVDs is a prime example of different edits.
As far as "The Croaker" cuts, I detailed this in a previous post recently. But briefly the cuts occur when Bub sings 2 Irish songs to the frog while sitting at the kitchen table, cut from the commercial DVDs are "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling" and, I believe (from memory) "Did Your Mother Come From Ireland". (2 great Bing Crosby songs, by the way.) You DO see Bub sing these songs in the TV LAND Version but not in the ME & commercial discs.
And I would love to get UNCUT S.6 thru S.12 episodes. I hope they get to it before I shuffle off this mortal coil. I hope they'd leave all of Katie's singing in too, but I kind of doubt it the way 10 times removed relatives of the actual original people who earned their money the first time around but today greed for a cut of what is not earned by them has now ruined DVD releases today.:mad:
paul.austin 05-26-2019, 04:28 AM Speaking as someone who has family members who work/worked in TV behind the scenes, sometimes music is unclearable no matter what the price. Some music is not clearable worldwide. Sometimes the artist or composer, or their estate, can object.
stevea 05-26-2019, 07:13 AM This is why copyright law needs to be changed. There has to be a oompromise that is fair to everyone.
Well, I don't have the new Season 3 commercial DVDs yet BUT I can tell you for a fact that the TV Land and Nick @ Nite versions ARE different from the ME TV versions.
While this is definitely true for "some" of the TV Land and ME-TV episodes, those 6 episodes I compared between the two versions were 100% identical.
I ran the newly released episode in a portable DVD player, a DVD copy of the ME-TV episode in my computer and the TV Land episode in my tablet all simultaneously. They were exactly the same. I think you might actually be the source of the TV Land episode :)
I only have very few N@N episodes for this timeframe and even though I keep seeing that they ran them uncut, the ones I have are in the same 22 minute range. The only 2-3 N@N ones I have that are seemingly full length are from the later seasons. One is the episode with Katie singing that really bad song in the coffee house. The song is edited out of the other versions.
At least S6-S10 ran primarily uncut on some local channels, with only a handful of episodes less than the 24-25 minute range, and fortunately people kept them. If/when they get around to releasing those seasons, I will probably skip spending the high dollar amount for them. I figure the same ones would be cut on the official release.
stevea 05-26-2019, 12:49 PM At least S6-S10 ran primarily uncut on some local channels, with only a handful of episodes less than the 24-25 minute range, and fortunately people kept them. If/when they get around to releasing those seasons, I will probably skip spending the high dollar amount for them. I figure the same ones would be cut on the official release.
Me too! WHMB here ran 6-10 unedited...thank goodness for the DVD recorder!
I could kick myself. A local Christian channel briefly ran them and the only one I managed to keep was the one with Uncle Charlie getting duped into dancing lessons by Joanna Moore. Actually, it is one of my favorites.
stevea 05-26-2019, 01:26 PM I actually got the adoption arc 3 episodes from WHMB unedited, but for some reason I didn't get the rest of 6 and 7 except for a few here and there. I got the other S6 and 7 episodes mostly unedited from some trade or other.
Then I resumed DVD recording for S8 - S10 from WHMB, and all of those are complete.
But I'd sure like to have some of those S11 and/or S12 episodes from N@N. Some of them are probably complete and unedited.
Hazel Anyday 05-27-2019, 06:42 PM After posting I realized that I was talking about the Nick/TV Land/Family CHannel Season 1 & season 2 shows compared with the S.1 & S.2 shows Me TV showed. It's those edits which are different. As for Season 3, CJ, you must be right, as I haven't compared the s.3 shows with ME or NICK/TV Land/Fam channel shows. I was talking about apples when you were talking about oranges. Sorry.:o
As for me being the source of your trade DVDs, your intuition is very good.
stevea 05-29-2019, 08:02 PM ... "The Lostling" is another one that's about 30 seconds short, but the other run times for season 1 and 2 shows are generally around 25:40 which indicate they're uncut.
I checked "The Lostling" on the Canadian TV Land version. Near the end the guys are roasting a lag of lamb over a campfire. They have the nerve to sing "We're Poor Little Lambs Who've Lost Our Way." Well, I'm betting this couldn't have gone uncut. I didn't check the CBS DVD, but I'm sure that's what's missing. It times out at around :35. It starts around 23:43 but the edit is probably a little later on the CBS DVD.
These people need to knock off the singing. Don't they know they're spoiling DVD issues 50 years later?
paul.austin 05-29-2019, 08:23 PM By the way, interesting fact i learned:
John Lennon songs (including Imagine) will be out of copyright at the end of 2050 but Lennon/McCartney songs will not be out of copyright until 70 years after McCartney's death.
stevea 05-29-2019, 08:53 PM When I read that Carolina in The Morning from 1929 won't expire until 2025 (at least), nothing surprises me.
1960'sTVfan 05-29-2019, 09:53 PM I checked "The Lostling" on the Canadian TV Land version. Near the end the guys are roasting a lag of lamb over a campfire. They have the nerve to sing "We're Poor Little Lambs Who've Lost Our Way." Well, I'm betting this couldn't have gone uncut. I didn't check the CBS DVD, but I'm sure that's what's missing. It times out at around :35. It starts around 23:43 but the edit is probably a little later on the CBS DVD.
As far as I know, "The Croaker" and "The Lostling" are the only episodes on the CBS season 1 and 2 DVD's that have a scene cut, the other episodes are complete. I have seasons 1 and 2 on order and should have them both fairly soon.
I checked "The Lostling" on the Canadian TV Land version. Near the end the guys are roasting a lag of lamb over a campfire. They have the nerve to sing "We're Poor Little Lambs Who've Lost Our Way." Well, I'm betting this couldn't have gone uncut. I didn't check the CBS DVD, but I'm sure that's what's missing. It times out at around :35. It starts around 23:43 but the edit is probably a little later on the CBS DVD.
These people need to knock off the singing. Don't they know they're spoiling DVD issues 50 years later?
I checked this and for sure the guys singing around the campfire was indeed cut on the CBS DVD. The only thing on the CBS is Mike turning the leg of lamb and saying something about not knowing who to thank, or something like that.
1960'sTVfan 06-01-2019, 12:08 PM Yay, I received My Three Sons seasons 1 and 2 DVD's in the mail today, so I'll watch some episodes this weekend. Everything arrived in good shape, the discs are fine and no damage to the DVD cases.
I probably won't buy season 3 because there are edited/syndicated versions of several episodes. One or two probably wouldn't bother me that much, but there are too many edited ones this time.
Someone over at Home Theater Forum posted and seems to believe that season 4 will be released in a few months.
stevea 06-01-2019, 12:27 PM I hope season 4 is coming. As a hard-core fan, I'm glad to get the majority of the episodes complete.
I don't recall any musical performances in this season, but I never know what they might turn up.
Hazel Anyday 06-02-2019, 12:46 AM Considering there is no music replacement and there are only 7 out of 39 episodes that are edited this sounds like a real good reason to really want to buy. I do really want to buy and I will EVENTUALLY, I've just begun season 2 (watching once a week) so it's going to be quite a while till I reach season 3 anyway. By then, hopefully the outrageously high price will have come down. The overblown price is the only BIG demerit in this new Season 3 set. But with all music intact, I's happy.:D
1960'sTVfan 06-02-2019, 09:57 AM Yesterday I watched the first six episodes of season 1, I like William Frawley better in this show compared to I Love Lucy because he has a bigger role in My Three Sons and is given more to do. The music replacements actually don't bother me at all but I could do without the annoying laugh track. In my opinion, since they went to the trouble of changing the music score, they should have removed the laugh tracks also.
For season 3, 7 edited episodes is way too many for me. I'm not happy about the two edited season 1 episodes but at least the rest of them are unedited and season 2 seems to be completely unedited. I would only consider season 3 if it comes way down in price, say 10 or 15 dollars total for the 39 episodes. At that price I might decide to go for it, but then again maybe not because 7 edited episodes is just way too many.
stevea 06-02-2019, 02:46 PM It'll probably come down in price but there's always the chance they'll delete it. A diehard fan like me didn't want to take that chance.
I read someplace (probably here) that S4 is coming soon.
1960'sTVfan 06-02-2019, 03:04 PM Yes, I mentioned here yesterday that a poster at Home Theater Forum seems to believe that season 4 will be released in a few months.
Later today I will probably watch episodes 7-12 of season 1 and see how I like those. Episodes 1-6 were pretty good, good stories & good writing.
It'll probably come down in price but there's always the chance they'll delete it. A diehard fan like me didn't want to take that chance.
Another die hard fan in total agreement !!! It took a long time for S1 & S2 to come down.
In my opinion this release was totally unexpected and a gift. Honestly, 7 out of 39 episodes is 82% complete. Sure, $70 is alot of money, but I have spend way more, for way less--in my lifetime. No regrets :)
1960'sTVfan 06-02-2019, 05:47 PM Actually, there are 8 edited episodes in the season 3 set, I think people are forgetting about the edit in "Big Chief Bub", I suspected this episode is edited because of the unusual slightly shorter run time.
It's all in how you choose to look at it. Seasons 1 and 2 combined have 72 episodes, only 2 are edited, that calculates to 97 % complete. Compare that to season 3, 8 edited episodes out of 39, that calculates to only 79 % complete. Not good, that's a big difference.
If I'm curious enough to see season 3, despite the 8 edited episodes, what I might do is put it on my wish list for Christmas and maybe a family member will give it to me. That way I'd get it for free and not spend a cent for it. :lol:
stevea 06-02-2019, 06:19 PM Hmm. Big Chief Bub. Probably someone had the nerve to sing something again.
1960'sTVfan 06-02-2019, 06:53 PM Yes, Big Chief Bub has a music edit.
If season 4 comes out, I wonder if that one will have a handful of edited episodes too, will just have to wait and find out. If some season 4 episodes have uncut masters that are in rough shape, CBS may just go with the edited/syndicated versions. I wonder if that's what might have happened with season 3, 6 of the 8 edited episodes are the syndicated versions, maybe the uncut masters of those episodes aren't in good shape so CBS used the syndicated versions instead of going to the expense of repairing/restoring them. From what I understand, season 3 is a MOD release with burned discs (purple) instead of pressed ones (silver), sounds like CBS is now limiting their expenses regarding the DVD's for this series but for the die hard fans it's better than nothing.
stevea 06-02-2019, 07:38 PM Judging by the picture quality of the S3 DVDs, which is OK but not up to normal DVD remastering, they are probably using syndication 16mm masters, most of which have complete copies easily available to CBS, and a few of which have only edited 16mm copies available. So they scan those films, edit out the songs, and call it a day.
Locating the original 35mm films would probably cost $$$, and they probably haven't been used or found for decades. (Also, since the show was produced at Desilu for the first 5 seasons, the 35mm originals may not be easily available to them.) IMO the 35mm originals are what they used for seasons 1 and 2, and it makes an A job rather than a B- one. The only thing I don't understand is why CBS did not make new TV copies for S1 and S2 (with intact music), but their answer would probably be that those seasons are not officially available for syndication. (The only "officially" available seasons are 6 thru 10.)
Again, I'll take what I can get on DVD, since it's the only game in town.
My guess is that S4 will be the same sources as S3.
Once they get to S6 (if they do), they'll probably use the existing u-matic videotapes as sources, which were a definite upgrade in quality when they were made a few decades ago. Plus, around 99% of those are complete episodes (there are 3 or 4 edited episodes toward the end of S7), with only edits to speed up the closing credits. They would have videotapes of S6 thru the first half of S11.
Hazel Anyday 06-02-2019, 10:10 PM You're right, CJ. Waiting for the price of this MOD set may be a long time, if ever, coming. Usually these MOD discs don't come down in price. Now that Amazon won't allow normal sellers (other than big companies) sell multiple disc sets anymore the chances of the price coming down is slim to none. I'm not happy with any edits but outweighing these cuts on these very few episodes is having all the original background music. That alone sells me, I can barely stand watching commercial S.1 & S.2 due to the phony background music. So S.3 is a definite buy. And I've been talked into buying them sooner rather than later. By the time I get around to buying them they could easily have stopped making them then you'll really see the prices soar astronomically on Amazon. $200 per half season anyone? It wouldn't be the first time putting off buying something has bitten me in the backside, I's done learned my lesson. $70 for the complete season will seem like bargain basement then. Next time I go to Amazon I'll be buying. Then I can begin wondering if S.4 will have all it's music intact.
Actually, there are 8 edited episodes in the season 3 set, I think people are forgetting about the edit in "Big Chief Bub", I suspected this episode is edited because of the unusual slightly shorter run time.
Yes, there are 8 total, but 2 of them are songs only, nothing else.
I tracked down the missing song in "Big Chief Bub" and honestly, it added nothing to the context of the episode. Twice the edited out scenes were the singing scouts seen from behind and the third time was a very clever edit. One would never know without noticing the shorter run time. The rest of the episode remained intact. Approximately 30 seconds were edited out and the song was sung 3 times so merely 10 seconds each time.
We all have different opinions about what is important to us. The 2 episodes missing songs only are not missing "scenes" and "dialog" and that is important to me.
Any way to choose to look at it, 79%, 82% or 84% complete, or not. Having this S3 release is a big deal to M3S fans and I hope they sell enough, so they will continue releasing them.
1960'sTVfan 06-03-2019, 10:51 AM Having this S3 release is a big deal to M3S fans and I hope they sell enough, so they will continue releasing them.
Season 4 might be released in a few months. For me, season 3 just has too many edited episodes to justify making the purchase. Seasons 1 and 2 are better because all those episodes are complete except for The Lostling and The Croaker which have minor music edits. The change in the background music score doesn't bother me, I would prefer if the original music had been left in but I don't have a problem with the replacement music.
BigManMike 06-03-2019, 01:51 PM I just hope they will release the rest. As long as the opening and closing music is intact, I’m not too worried about the other music. I’ve only seen a few episodes of this show on some Decades binges and maybe caught it a time or two on Me, so I don’t know what it’s supposed to sound like anyway.
biffbronson 03-01-2021, 02:50 PM The Season 3 episode I keep thinking about is "Flashback," guest-starring Joyce Bulifant -- S3 Episode 19, Jan. 1963. Joyce's character is perceived by Steve to be an old-fashioned, timid and shy blind date he arranges for Robbie. But she turns out to be the polar opposite of the chaste girl that she seemed to be, and goes into full pursuit of Robbie.
Joyce Bulifant:
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As I may have mentioned before, this episode gives me the creeps in some ways, but I really like how Joyce Bulifant looked in the 1960s. A very cute face, nice body, and flowing blonde hair. Here is an example of her looking her absolute best: Destry was a 13-episode one-hour ABC western. A colorized March 1964 episode with Joyce has been uploaded to YouTube, from just a year after her M3S appearance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqY8i6nLPR4
You'll see some other familiar TV actors like James Best & Med Flory as well.
stevea 03-03-2021, 11:07 AM She's most familiar to me for her role in MTM show--of course, 10 years later.
biffbronson 03-03-2021, 11:28 AM Yes, I'm glad she had that supporting role, though not a major one when we consider the deep & highly talented TMTMS cast. I would have to say secondarily I knew her from her Match Game appearances.
I will have to go back and watch Joyce's Three's Company episode (1977), I just can't remember her on there and some other one-shots.
Hazel Anyday 03-03-2021, 11:59 PM I most associate her with Match Game also though I do remember back in the 70's she was one of the stars of a sitcom. I don't remember the name or anything, I just remember she was a regular, not a guest star for once. I was surprised in recent years though to discover her early '60's work on My 3 Sons. I also remember her in a Perry Mason episode from the early '60's. She was definitely cute. In real life she married into riches, she married the very old guy Bill Asher (Samantha's former husband). Seems in real life both Samantha, Margie (Gale Storm) & Joyce Bulifant all married rich very old men. I'm sure they married them for their personality.
biffbronson 03-04-2021, 04:06 AM Asher was one lucky guy, I think it's safe to say...!
I didn't realize Joyce had been married to James MacArthur (Hawaii Five-O) for about 10 years (1958-68). She was playing a 16-year-old on M3S.
stevea 03-04-2021, 11:29 AM I most associate her with Match Game also though I do remember back in the 70's she was one of the stars of a sitcom. I don't remember the name or anything, I just remember she was a regular, not a guest star for once.
She starred in a short series on ABC in 1973 called Love Thy Neighbor. It was a summer series so there were only a few episodes.
Hazel Anyday 03-04-2021, 09:38 PM As Charlie Brown yells to Lucy in the Charlie Brown Christmas special, "THAT'S IT!!!"
omg65 03-08-2021, 03:23 PM I have read that Joyce was original choice to play Carol Brady on The Brady Bunch. I would also love to see any footage of the show Love Thy Neighbor that she starred in but I doubt any exists.
biffbronson 07-20-2022, 02:13 PM Bump - belated thanks for the thoughts on Joyce Bulifant. I was watching a recent interview with her and while she makes mention of Fred MacMurray, unfortunately she is not asked to comment on My Three Sons. Still very bubbly, vivacious, and delightful at age 84...!
Going back once more to the episode "Flashback," I wanted to mention that the late David Macklin (1941-2017) who plays "Young Steve Douglas" returns in Season 6 as Rob's rival for the affections of Linda June - Sherry Jackson.
Anyway, the scenes in Flashback in which Rebecca (Joyce B.) pursues Rob evoke a mild eroticism to me. If I were Rob's age and a comely young woman with very long blonde hair were making an aggressive play for me, certainly I would be highly aroused. I noticed recently in re-watching the scene in which Rob falls on the floor (after they dance), Rebecca playfully strokes his left temple with one of her braids...! Wow.
Come on Rob, was it a matter of unbelievable restraint, or were you not turned on at all? I would have visions of Rebecca undoing her braids, and on from there...! :)
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