I just saw free UM on my Amazon Fire stick and it's great. Hadn't seen the show in many years & it reminded me of how good it is. I have some questions about 2 episodes. 1 each from seasons 4 & 5.

Phillip Fraser was killed by the mysterious & scary Alaska hitchhiker. Was that ever solved?? I can't believe how stupid Fraser was to pick up some random stranger like that. So many deaths are the victim's own fault! It was very sad to hear his 2 physician parents talking about him. Why didn't they mention he should NOT have picked up a TOTAL stranger?

Any update on the boat Casey Nicole from Georgia? 3 of the passengers just VANISHED! Are they certain the lone survivor was not involved in foul play?

What about oil millionaire Ed Baker's supposed death? Why can't they just check dental records or any trace DNA of the burnt corpse found in the car to check it was him?? They said he had big money problems so he could've faked his death or something.

Any update on that Mario Adamo who was killed in a Mexican jail? Why would a Mexican police officer kill him when he's only been there an hour or 2??

Thanks everyone! :wave:

The Philip Fraser case is still unsolved. There has been some speculation that the killer was Canadian serial killer Michael McGray, but this has not been confirmed in any way.

Nothing at all on the Casey Nicole case. Personally, I wonder if the men were simply lost at sea and not actually picked up by anyone. I don’t believe there was foul play on the part of the survivor at all. But I suppose anything is possible.

I agree on Ed Baker, but they must be relatively certain that it’s him or I’m sure something would have been done in this regard. According to info online about the identification of the body, it is indentified “with near certainty”.

As far as Mario Adamo, it has been proven that he did not die by suicide. Fibers were found embedded in his neck that had come from a rope - not a sweater. As no role was found at the scene, this already puts a big dent in the police account. Also, it was found that Mario had likely been beaten. Several other inmates at the time stated that an officer (or possibly two) went into Mario’s cell and struggled with him. They were then seen wrapping the sweater around his neck to stage the suicide. As to the motive? Who knows? It could have been as simple as Mario and the cop had an argument for whatever reason and the cop used excessive force and killed him either intentionally, or by accident.

The Phillip Fraser case has to be one of the creepiest ever. Plus all that Alaska scenery is hauntingly beautiful! It's awful that his physician parents STILL don't have any closure. You know if they're even alive anymore??

The Casey Nicole boat saga just seems bizarre how 3 perished but one survived. There was no severe weather or anything.

Ed Baker supposedly had money overseas. Would be just kill himself without leaving a note or letting someone know it was him??

I can't believe how stupid Fraser was to pick up some random stranger like that. So many deaths are the victim's own fault! It was very sad to hear his 2 physician parents talking about him. Why didn't they mention he should NOT have picked up a TOTAL stranger?

I don't think it's anyone's place to ask about what was NOT said by grieving parents who are in agony over the loss of their son.

I'm sure they knew how unwise that was. But it would have had made no difference to mention it. What was done was done at that point. It was time to find a killer.

I don't think it's anyone's place to ask about what was NOT said by grieving parents who are in agony over the loss of their son.

I'm sure they knew how unwise that was. But it would have had made no difference to mention it. What was done was done at that point. It was time to find a killer.

If you see those true crime shows like UM or shows on the ID(Investigation Discovery) channel it's amazing how many murder victims made dumb decisions they should NOT have made which helped lead to their death.

Like trusting people they shouldn't, staying in a relationship WAY too long, going to a dangerous area or place they know NOT to go, etc. I don't know what percentage it is but it's a lot!

I think it is one of those “hindsight is 20/20” kind of things. When watching these cases on a series like UM or whatever, we already know something bad has happened to someone in the story. We also have a more objective view than the person featured, but at the same time we have a biased view based on either our own opinions or the slant that the particular show is taking on a case.

While I can see both sides to this, it is easy to say “they should have done this” or “they shouldn’t have done that”, but without knowing the full story and circumstances of what the person was going through, it can be tough to say that it was obvious they were making a good or bad choice.

I’m sure we all have done things that can be looked at by an outside party as being a “dumb” or “stupid” decision. Just tough to say what others are going through is all.

I don't think it's anyone's place to ask about what was NOT said by grieving parents who are in agony over the loss of their son.


Indeed. Victim blaming, seriously?!

You have to remember this happened over 30 years ago-even back then females hitchhiking did not have the same public threat levels of attention it does these days, despite the known risks & murders of women being murdered after thumbing a lift. Certainly there was very little in the way of males being in danger from giving a lift & really there still isn't much of an issue around it even today.

Really most crime is opportunity-people out isolated late at night or in remote places-often the worse for wear from alcohol or drugs, people leaving their doors/windows open/unlocked/leaving ladders lying around, letting people into their homes without asking for/checking id etc.

You know, I'm sure most people don't expect to be the victim of a violent crime at any moment. Why do we insist that everyone live their lives in such a way when we hear these stories? It's not realistic, nor compassionate, and we all know damn well we're not being Vigilant Virgils or Vivians everytime we enter a dark parking garage or a gas station in the wee hours of the morning. So why do we expect more of others?

I think it's a defense mechanism born of fear, personally. "It wouldn't have happened to me because I would've ____ ." Yeah, it could've still happened to you. It just didn't this time.

I don’t know about you guys, but this is pretty much me

https://pics.me.me/when-someone-uses-your-driveway-to-turn-around-pretty-much-19400593.png

Going to pile on with what others have said and say that I take issue with saying it was the victim's "fault." No one forced the killer to commit the crime. Picking up the hitchhiker was a mistake and Phillip unfortunately became a victim as a result. But it was not his "fault"--that lies with the one who killed him.

A good example of this argument is in one of the extensive Oba Chandler threads. One user said Mrs. Rogers was at fault for the crime for going to his boat and allowing her daughters to join. She may have put her trust in the wrong person, but the killer is still at fault here.