So binge watching some episodes on Amazon. I’ve had this thought before, but it seems to me that there are a fair amount of updates that are just ridiculous. Some of them I can just feel my blood pressure skyrocketing as I hear/read them.

It seems like many of the updates are like this:

“So and so was caught and convicted of murdering 29 people in cold blood and making funny hats out of their victim’s skins. They were also charged with harassment for sending threatening letters to the victim’s families and trying to extort money from them. The killer was reported to say that they will kill again if they are let out of prison. A psychologist from the state also gave the opinion that the killer would indeed kill again if given the chance. The killer stood up in court and threatened to kill and eat the judge, jury and everyone in the courtroom if he got the chance. He was convicted and given 35 consequtive life sentences without the possibility of parole. They have since been released.”

Released!?! Seriously?

Obviously I’m exaggerating, but there are many cases where the killer should have gotten life without parole but are now out walking the streets. One off the top of my head that I still can’t figure is the killer (and yes, I’m saying killer) of Annie Laurie Hearin. The POS that was convicted of kidnapping her didn’t get life because they had no proof she was dead. Come on. What did they think happened to her? He kidnapped her but then let her go and she just decided to do what law enforcement says all missing people on UM do, they just decided “to walk away and start a new life”. Ridiculous. That guy should have been executed as far as I’m concerned.

Anyone else notice how many “they have since been released” updates there are for people who should never have been released?

The only one that stands out in my mind.. And.. Once again, you all will have to help me with the names. Guy was a cop and murdered the woman who lived in his duplex who he was also apparently dating..

Greg Webb, that's it... Still, he wound up serving 9 years.

but.. Alot of these cases are 25 years old. Even someone sentenced to 25 to life is up for parole now or close to it.

Didn't the guy who killed Dede Rosenthal get released after a short sentence?

I can't remember the mans name offhand, but he went missing at an intersection in the middle of nowhere. His jeep was found running with the door open and stuff strewn about on the ground. There was an extensive search of the area that turned up nothing.

Update reveals his skeletal remains were found fairly close to where the jeep was abandoned....determined he died of natural causes.

WHAT?!?!?!? How did they miss him in the initial search?....and natural causes? It just didn't make any sense and drives me crazy that there isn't more info!

The police detective Charlie Mule (I think that's the name) in Slidell, LA who only got 7 years for molesting 6 girls. Plus, he faked his suicide on the morning of his trial and was a fugitive for years!

Ever since the segments got loaded to Amazon, that's been my feeling as well. I'm sick of reading about all these horrible people who did horrible things being released. A few off the top of my head...

Ryan Love - Stabbed Lucie Turmel 17 times in the face and neck so he could steal her 130 dollars worth of taxi cab earnings and flash the money to impress his relatives at an upcoming family reunion, which he happily did. He spent 19 years in prison and was quoted as having the time of his life in the prison theater group. He was released in 2011. When he was released, he said he did a very bad thing and would never do it again...which sounds more like a teenager confessing to his parents about skipping class.

Richard Minns - Ordered the attempted murder of Barbara Piotrowski, on top of setting her up to be arrested through lavish gifts he had given her and then claiming she had stolen them. Stalking and harassment. Fled the country when the men he hired to kill Barbara were arrested. His punishment was a four-month sentence and he was fined $100,000. He died in 2016.

Paul Stamper - This guy...there are no words. While married to Theresa, he was arrested and charged with assault and battery on his wife a total of five times. Every time, the charges were dropped and he bragged to Theresa that he was paying off the authorities. Paid a hit-man to break in to Theresa's house and stab her (he ended up stabbing her friend who was house-sitting.) Endless counts of harassment including shooting out her bedroom window. Attempted murder on Theresa's boyfriend, Chris. Kidnapping Theresa and holding her at gunpoint for two days. Escaping prison. Originally given a 35 year prison sentence, he was released on parole after just 10 years in prison. He has been a free man since 2002! :mad:

Maybe if Chris had not survived being shot, Stamper would still be in prison?

Didn't the guy who killed Dede Rosenthal get released after a short sentence?

Actually as far as I know that guy is still doing time. There was a bit of a circus surrounding his confession and recanting of though. In the end he was found guilty and is still serving time. However, he did murder someone else too.

The only one that stands out in my mind.. And.. Once again, you all will have to help me with the names. Guy was a cop and murdered the woman who lived in his duplex who he was also apparently dating..

Greg Webb, that's it... Still, he wound up serving 9 years.

but.. Alot of these cases are 25 years old. Even someone sentenced to 25 to life is up for parole now or close to it.

Agreed. Sadly, this is exactly what I’m talking about. And I get the 25 years to life thing and the time that has passed. But I am referring to cases with either extreme gruesomeness to the crime, multiple murders, or ones where the killer was caught somewhere in the last decade or so. Many of these people are out already and really shouldn’t be. Many began serving a 25- life and got out early after only a few years. Yet those like Michael Scott Martin (guilty or innocent, I honestly don’t know) who they made absolutely certain served at least the minimum amount of time they were sentenced to. I know each case is different and that certain circumstances may lead to the end results, but some of these are just dumb.

Ever since the segments got loaded to Amazon, that's been my feeling as well. I'm sick of reading about all these horrible people who did horrible things being released. A few off the top of my head...

Ryan Love - Stabbed Lucie Turmel 17 times in the face and neck so he could steal her 130 dollars worth of taxi cab earnings and flash the money to impress his relatives at an upcoming family reunion, which he happily did. He spent 19 years in prison and was quoted as having the time of his life in the prison theater group. He was released in 2011. When he was released, he said he did a very bad thing and would never do it again...which sounds more like a teenager confessing to his parents about skipping class.

Richard Minns - Ordered the attempted murder of Barbara Piotrowski, on top of setting her up to be arrested through lavish gifts he had given her and then claiming she had stolen them. Stalking and harassment. Fled the country when the men he hired to kill Barbara were arrested. His punishment was a four-month sentence and he was fined $100,000. He died in 2016.

Paul Stamper - This guy...there are no words. While married to Theresa, he was arrested and charged with assault and battery on his wife a total of five times. Every time, the charges were dropped and he bragged to Theresa that he was paying off the authorities. Paid a hit-man to break in to Theresa's house and stab her (he ended up stabbing her friend who was house-sitting.) Endless counts of harassment including shooting out her bedroom window. Attempted murder on Theresa's boyfriend, Chris. Kidnapping Theresa and holding her at gunpoint for two days. Escaping prison. Originally given a 35 year prison sentence, he was released on parole after just 10 years in prison. He has been a free man since 2002! :mad:

Maybe if Chris had not survived being shot, Stamper would still be in prison?

Now we’re talking. Yes! This is exactly the kinds of cases I was referring to. I just couldn’t recall specific ones at the time so I just made a general post at first. These are so irritating to see updates like this

Eileen Mangold: They caught the guy, but because of conflicting testimony and the fact that the jury didn't understand DNA evidence, the guy walked!!!!

Agreed. Sadly, this is exactly what I’m talking about. And I get the 25 years to life thing and the time that has passed. But I am referring to cases with either extreme gruesomeness to the crime, multiple murders, or ones where the killer was caught somewhere in the last decade or so. Many of these people are out already and really shouldn’t be. Many began serving a 25- life and got out early after only a few years. Yet those like Michael Scott Martin (guilty or innocent, I honestly don’t know) who they made absolutely certain served at least the minimum amount of time they were sentenced to. I know each case is different and that certain circumstances may lead to the end results, but some of these are just dumb.

Remember also that the "Truth in Sentencing" reforms didn't come around until the mid 90's or so. Someone sentenced to 10 years for a violent crime in 1990 might do 2 years and then be released on parole.

Same person sentenced now, usually does 8 1/2 years.

Of course, some of these same laws are why an 18 year old is on a sex offender registry for life because he was sleeping with his 16 year old girlfriend on his birthday. It was legal for them to have sex on Tuesday, but not Wednesday.

So.. This goes both ways.

Eileen Mangold: They caught the guy, but because of conflicting testimony and the fact that the jury didn't understand DNA evidence, the guy walked!!!!

This one made me mad too. They had the evidence but totally screwed matters. No justice for Eileen. ☹

Eileen Mangold: They caught the guy, but because of conflicting testimony and the fact that the jury didn't understand DNA evidence, the guy walked!!!!

Agreed. What gets me is that they had fingerprints and DNA. I am by no means an expert, but in 2000, when the trial took place, I certainly knew enough to understand roughly how DNA worked and unless it was just presented in a completely incompetent manner (or mishandled by authorities) I don’t understand how they could still let this guy go.

Also, hello, fingerprints. They had his fingerprints in and on her car, presumably in blood the way I understand it. How did that guy walk? Hopefully a bus hits him or something.

Agreed. What gets me is that they had fingerprints and DNA. I am by no means an expert, but in 2000, when the trial took place, I certainly knew enough to understand roughly how DNA worked and unless it was just presented in a completely incompetent manner (or mishandled by authorities) I don’t understand how they could still let this guy go.

Also, hello, fingerprints. They had his fingerprints in and on her car, presumably in blood the way I understand it. How did that guy walk? Hopefully a bus hits him or something.


well.. Trust me, I think this guy did it. However.. Let's paint a picture so far as the fingerprints. You are at a convenience store and talking to one of your friends. You say goodbye and hop up off the curb and stumble and stick your hand out on someone's car to brace yourself. That person, 20 minutes later, is found dead in a ditch. Plausible explanation for your fingerprints being there, and it's such a throwaway thing that you might not even recall that stumble. I haven't seen that the prints were in blood, but..

Now.. They were going after him for the killing.. And the fact that they found his DNA on her via semen, and he denied having sex with her.. That's hard to get past. If he had said "yeah, we had sex, it was consensual, she was alive when I left".. This would be a much more difficult case.

It seems to me, reading up on it, that the "eyewitness effect" actually HURT the chances of a conviction in this case. Because two eyewitnesses description of the abductor were wildly different from the accused. They said he had long hair and the defense produced pictures showing him having been nearly totally bald since the 80's. And they said it was a young guy, and Smith always looked much older than he was.

Couple that with the fact that the "CSI Effect" didn't really start until 2000. Remember, they had DNA on OJ, too.

I somewhat understand it. Don't agree with it, especially with 19 years of extra knowledge about DNA, but.. I can see how at the time the conflicting eyewitness testimony, which we keep learning is more and more unreliable, caused the jury to have reasonable doubt.

well.. Trust me, I think this guy did it. However.. Let's paint a picture so far as the fingerprints. You are at a convenience store and talking to one of your friends. You say goodbye and hop up off the curb and stumble and stick your hand out on someone's car to brace yourself. That person, 20 minutes later, is found dead in a ditch. Plausible explanation for your fingerprints being there, and it's such a throwaway thing that you might not even recall that stumble. I haven't seen that the prints were in blood, but..

Now.. They were going after him for the killing.. And the fact that they found his DNA on her via semen, and he denied having sex with her.. That's hard to get past. If he had said "yeah, we had sex, it was consensual, she was alive when I left".. This would be a much more difficult case.

It seems to me, reading up on it, that the "eyewitness effect" actually HURT the chances of a conviction in this case. Because two eyewitnesses description of the abductor were wildly different from the accused. They said he had long hair and the defense produced pictures showing him having been nearly totally bald since the 80's. And they said it was a young guy, and Smith always looked much older than he was.

Couple that with the fact that the "CSI Effect" didn't really start until 2000. Remember, they had DNA on OJ, too.

I somewhat understand it. Don't agree with it, especially with 19 years of extra knowledge about DNA, but.. I can see how at the time the conflicting eyewitness testimony, which we keep learning is more and more unreliable, caused the jury to have reasonable doubt.

All fair enough, but it seems to me that the prosecution must have dropped the ball on this though. Even if the jury wasn’t as enlightened as folks are these days, I find it hard to believe that this one got away. But it definitely stands as a prime example of my point with the original thread. When binge watching, I find it incredibly infuriating that some cases have the perpetrator out in a short time and others with much lighter offenses are still locked up or served their time in full. IMO, there is no excuse for someone convicted of 1st degree murder getting out early on parole while someone who has a much lighter offense such as armed robbery does a full 25 or 30 years.

I’m not trying to advocate robbery or any lesser offense, but one is murder, the other is not. So I cringe when I see some of the updates at times. I imagine myself randomly running into them in an elevator one day.

“So, you killed that guy and got on Unsolved Mysteries huh?”
“Yeah”
“Hmm, so, got out early huh?”
“Yep”
“So, did prison help? Are you reformed now?”
“Nope”
“Wow, oh , I’m sorry, what floor did you want again?”

There's quite a few I can think of; all of these cases involve horrible murders that should've led to life sentences for the killers. Yet somehow, all are now free.

David Harry Fisher (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/David_Fisher) - he befriended and later brutally murdered teenager Laura Burbank. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to twenty years in prison. He was a model prisoner, so he had his sentence reduced and was sent to a minimum security facility. He escaped four years later but was captured thanks to Unsolved Mysteries. Based on his sentence, it is believed that he was paroled in the late 1990s.

Jerry Gervasoni (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Jerry_Gervasoni) - he was the POS that killed his girlfriend Paula Pasciak and hid her body under her mother's bed. He was caught seven years later after being featured on Unsolved Mysteries. He was convicted of her murder and was originally sentenced to life in prison. However, his sentence was later reduced and he was paroled after serving just six years. Fortunately, he's now deceased.

Eva Shoen (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Eva_Shoen) - she was the U-haul heiress who was killed in her home in Telluride. Thanks to a viewer tip, her killer was identified Frank Marquis. He was a convicted rapist who apparently killed Eva in a botched rape attempt. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to twenty-four years. Despite the fact that he was a convicted rapist and killer, he was paroled after serving just 17 years.

Nancy Manni (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Nancy_Manni) - she was the ship steward who was found dead in the Chesapeake Bay. Her killer turned out to be John O'Meara, who claimed that she drowned after falling off of his boat. However, he allegedly told two informants that he had thrown her overboard after she rejected his advances. He then ran her body over several times with his boat. He pleaded guilty to murder and was sentenced to fifteen years in prison; he was later released.

David Freeman (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/David_Freeman) - he was the preacher who basically took over farmer Tim Good's life, forcing him to live in a small basement room while he and his family lived upstairs. He stole large amounts of money from Tim and later murdered him. He was captured after being featured on Unsolved Mysteries. However, he pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to just ten years in prison. He has also since been released.

There's quite a few I can think of; all of these cases involve horrible murders that should've led to life sentences for the killers. Yet somehow, all are now free.

David Harry Fisher (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/David_Fisher) - he befriended and later brutally murdered teenager Laura Burbank. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to twenty years in prison. He was a model prisoner, so he had his sentence reduced and was sent to a minimum security facility. He escaped four years later but was captured thanks to Unsolved Mysteries. Based on his sentence, it is believed that he was paroled in the late 1990s.

Jerry Gervasoni (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Jerry_Gervasoni) - he was the POS that killed his girlfriend Paula Pasciak and hid her body under her mother's bed. He was caught seven years later after being featured on Unsolved Mysteries. He was convicted of her murder and was originally sentenced to life in prison. However, his sentence was later reduced and he was paroled after serving just six years. Fortunately, he's now deceased.

Eva Shoen (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Eva_Shoen) - she was the U-haul heiress who was killed in her home in Telluride. Thanks to a viewer tip, her killer was identified Frank Marquis. He was a convicted rapist who apparently killed Eva in a botched rape attempt. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to twenty-four years. Despite the fact that he was a convicted rapist and killer, he was paroled after serving just 17 years.

Nancy Manni (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Nancy_Manni) - she was the ship steward who was found dead in the Chesapeake Bay. Her killer turned out to be John O'Meara, who claimed that she drowned after falling off of his boat. However, he allegedly told two informants that he had thrown her overboard after she rejected his advances. He then ran her body over several times with his boat. He pleaded guilty to murder and was sentenced to fifteen years in prison; he was later released.

David Freeman (https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/David_Freeman) - he was the preacher who basically took over farmer Tim Good's life, forcing him to live in a small basement room while he and his family lived upstairs. He stole large amounts of money from Tim and later murdered him. He was captured after being featured on Unsolved Mysteries. However, he pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to just ten years in prison. He has also since been released.


All perfect examples. Makes me sick to think about it.

Another one I just thought of, Gary Ridgeway. I live in Tacoma, WA and grew up when the Green River Killings were all taking place. Anyway, what irritates me about his case was that in the end, the prosecution made a deal with the defense. If he plead guilty to ALL of the murders, they wouldn’t seek the death penalty. Trouble with that is that many of the cases couldn’t be tied in any way to Ridgeway. As there was at least one other good suspect (as shown in UM), and possibly more, this seems like a weird move. They had enough on him for the death penalty as it was with the stuff they could prove. The only reason they offered the plea deal IMO was to close the books on the rest of the cases. So in theory, many more killings could have been committed by others and they are now marked as “solved”. To be fair, most probably were Ridgeway, but as I understand it, the MO varied enough that we can’t say for sure.

Remember also that the "Truth in Sentencing" reforms didn't come around until the mid 90's or so. Someone sentenced to 10 years for a violent crime in 1990 might do 2 years and then be released on parole.

Same person sentenced now, usually does 8 1/2 years.

Of course, some of these same laws are why an 18 year old is on a sex offender registry for life because he was sleeping with his 16 year old girlfriend on his birthday. It was legal for them to have sex on Tuesday, but not Wednesday.

So.. This goes both ways.

Oh God your last part is why I will never ever support Call Me By Your Name as any sort of ~~beautiful~~ coming of age romantic masterpiece in book or film form. Its straight up pedophilia regardless of age yet ppl are all "B-B-BUT THE AGE OF CONSENT IN ITALY THO??!!!"

Oh God your last part is why I will never ever support Call Me By Your Name as any sort of ~~beautiful~~ coming of age romantic masterpiece in book or film form. Its straight up pedophilia regardless of age yet ppl are all "B-B-BUT THE AGE OF CONSENT IN ITALY THO??!!!"

Ok.. So.. I was not, and am not familiar with that.. I had to do the wikipedia lookup on it.. But.. a 24 year old and a 17 year old?

Someone's probably saying "Holy crap, Grandpa was a straight up pedophile"

so.. I'm assuming there's something I'm missing to that story?

I document cemeteries.. You'd be awfully shocked at how many people were married at 17 just 50 years ago. And a fair handful at 16 100 years ago.

Christophe Day update definitely stands out.

Christophe Day update definitely stands out.

Yeah. That one I don't get. I would need a lawyer to explain this one to me.

The update says because she was never served Bill's custody papers, the only thing she could be charged with was passport fraud. But she couldn't be served the papers because she had already gone in to hiding with their son ILLEGALY.

Before the kidnapping, the last time Betty stood before a judge, he threatened to throw her in jail if she kept denying Bill visits with his son. So she responds by kidnapping the child and eventually fleeing the country for 11 years. It does not compute that this could result in no jail time.

Ok.. So.. I was not, and am not familiar with that.. I had to do the wikipedia lookup on it.. But.. a 24 year old and a 17 year old?

Someone's probably saying "Holy crap, Grandpa was a straight up pedophile"

so.. I'm assuming there's something I'm missing to that story?

I document cemeteries.. You'd be awfully shocked at how many people were married at 17 just 50 years ago. And a fair handful at 16 100 years ago.

It is still messed up. Movie made it worse.

The fact that Gilbert Ortiz went through literal hell to be a father to his son only to have his son end up assaulting and putting him in the hospital years later.

The fact that Gilbert Ortiz went through literal hell to be a father to his son only to have his son end up assaulting and putting him in the hospital years later.

That is insane! I had no idea this happened until reading your post. Gilbert seemed like a good guy who was put through a terrible ordeal. Makes you wonder if there isn't more to that story and Gilbert in general.

The fact that Gilbert Ortiz went through literal hell to be a father to his son only to have his son end up assaulting and putting him in the hospital years later.

That one doesn't tick me off as much as it just plain depresses me.

And as much as people might want to be angry with Jonathan, he is just another victim of Elizabeth. He was kidnapped for 8 years with a wackadoodle mother who, no doubt, made him think Gilbert was some kind of monster and the only way to escape him was to poison him. When he was finally located, the damage had already long been done. Jonathan loses his mother and is now sent to live with the "monster." It's no wonder he lashed out and his life became a mess.

I continue to hope that the UM wiki page is mistaken when they say after being denied parole in 2010 and 2014, Elizabeth has since been released. I have never been able to find another source that states that. But if she's a free woman today....:mad:...

That one doesn't tick me off as much as it just plain depresses me.

And as much as people might want to be angry with Jonathan, he is just another victim of Elizabeth. He was kidnapped for 8 years with a wackadoodle mother who, no doubt, made him think Gilbert was some kind of monster and the only way to escape him was to poison him. When he was finally located, the damage had already long been done. Jonathan loses his mother and is now sent to live with the "monster." It's no wonder he lashed out and his life became a mess.

I continue to hope that the UM wiki page is mistaken when they say after being denied parole in 2010 and 2014, Elizabeth has since been released. I have never been able to find another source that states that. But if she's a free woman today....:mad:...

Couldn't agree more... very sad situation.

There are so many of the Prime updates that are just enragingly ending with "They have served their time and been released" that I can't single out a single one from memory. They blend together, that's how bad it is.

If I had to name an "update", even though it hasn't made it to UM officially, it's the Bible/Freeman one we got last year. Kept alive for days with polaroids floating around town and no one saying a thing about it.

There are so many of the Prime updates that are just enragingly ending with "They have served their time and been released" that I can't single out a single one from memory. They blend together, that's how bad it is.

If I had to name an "update", even though it hasn't made it to UM officially, it's the Bible/Freeman one we got last year. Kept alive for days with polaroids floating around town and no one saying a thing about it.

I couldn’t agree with you more. I am a fairly cynical person, so it is rare that I am surprised by disturbing developments in a case (I tend to expect the worst, hope for the best), but the Freeman/Bible case is beyond me. How can that many people see blatant evidence of something so horrific happening and not do anything about it? Vague stories are one thing, but as I understand it, polaroids of these two girls being held captive had been shown to many people over the years. While there may have been some nefarious characters involved, I can’t believe that someone didn’t come foraward earlier in this case. It’s very sad.

The only one that stands out in my mind.. And.. Once again, you all will have to help me with the names. Guy was a cop and murdered the woman who lived in his duplex who he was also apparently dating..

Greg Webb, that's it... Still, he wound up serving 9 years.

but.. Alot of these cases are 25 years old. Even someone sentenced to 25 to life is up for parole now or close to it.

Blame "Good Time" laws (Nebraska is one such state that uses this)

https://definitions.uslegal.com/g/good-time/

The Christopher Day case infuriated and saddened me at levels I've rarely felt. I don't know if I've ever hated a woman so much. What she did to this man and their child should be a ticket to a death sentence for HER. The fact that the boy died before his dad could see him again................. :mad:

The Christopher Day case infuriated and saddened me at levels I've rarely felt. I don't know if I've ever hated a woman so much. What she did to this man and their child should be a ticket to a death sentence for HER. The fact that the boy died before his dad could see him again................. :mad:

If you go back and read the Christophe Day thread, you'll see that Bill Day's daughter posted that their family can't be 100% certain if Christophe is dead.

And that was my thought when I first read the text update. How can Bill know for sure that Christophe died? All he had was Betty's word. And she has zero credibility.

If you go back and read the Christophe Day thread, you'll see that Bill Day's daughter posted that their family can't be 100% certain if Christophe is dead.

And that was my thought when I first read the text update. How can Bill know for sure that Christophe died? All he had was Betty's word. And she has zero credibility.


As a single Dad who lives for his children and their happiness/success the fact that he can't even believe what he was told and is still without answers is completely mind numbing. She is the epitome of evil.
I hope this case gets revamped and rebroadcast in the new version coming. This man deserves to have at least SOME peace of mind.

The Kentucky bordello murders update is the one I can think of currently that deeply angers me

As a single Dad who lives for his children and their happiness/success the fact that he can't even believe what he was told and is still without answers is completely mind numbing. She is the epitome of evil.
I hope this case gets revamped and rebroadcast in the new version coming. This man deserves to have at least SOME peace of mind.

She is probably the single worst person featured on UM who didn't commit murder, at least to our knowledge. I feel so bad for poor Bill Day: he is second only to Gord McAllister in terms of the raw pain you could feel radiating from him.

I just watched the segment about the Santa Claus trying to find his real-life daughter, who was given up for adoption without his knowledge while he served in WWII.

In the updates, it states that he later discovered his daughter was killed in an explosion at age 18. That just broke my heart. Of all the ways an 18-year-old could die...an explosion?

I just watched the segment about the Santa Claus trying to find his real-life daughter, who was given up for adoption without his knowledge while he served in WWII.

In the updates, it states that he later discovered his daughter was killed in an explosion at age 18. That just broke my heart. Of all the ways an 18-year-old could die...an explosion?

Well, that whole story.. She married a guy like 12 years older than her, married him so that he would avoid Contributing to Delinquency of a minor charges.. They were only married 5 months and were set to divorce.. He stole about 10 sticks of dynamite from his job and blew them both up, and killed a little girl who was just walking by.

Just.. Interesting.. That happened right about here.

https://goo.gl/maps/fZNzGyp5JaS2

The photo store is where Elaine worked, was Donti's Restaurant in '57. the Antique store is where he was parked in front of. The girl who was killed was thrown through the plate glass window of what I would assume is now that bakery across the street at 528, apparently was a clothing store at the time.

One other.. Kinda weird thing.. Her husband's name was.. DePew. Arthur DePew.

Well, that whole story.. She married a guy like 12 years older than her, married him so that he would avoid Contributing to Delinquency of a minor charges.. They were only married 5 months and were set to divorce.. He stole about 10 sticks of dynamite from his job and blew them both up, and killed a little girl who was just walking by.

Just.. Interesting.. That happened right about here.

https://goo.gl/maps/fZNzGyp5JaS2

The photo store is where Elaine worked, was Donti's Restaurant in '57. the Antique store is where he was parked in front of. The girl who was killed was thrown through the plate glass window of what I would assume is now that bakery across the street at 528, apparently was a clothing store at the time.

One other.. Kinda weird thing.. Her husband's name was.. DePew. Arthur DePew.

That makes it even worse! That puts this whole situation just slightly below the caliber of Christophe Day! :(

I really wish the Amazon updates included dates of when suspects/witnesses/victims either got released from prison, died or just had more information. Are the producers too afraid to show how old the show is?

That makes it even worse! That puts this whole situation just slightly below the caliber of Christophe Day! :(

Another funny (Funny odd, not funny ha-ha) part of the story.. The owner of Donti's Restaurant.. I found a newspaper article about him beating a customer with a coffee cup about 2 months before the bombing happened. So.. Somehow I get the idea that wasn't the greatest area to be in at the time.

I got angry at the end of the Tracy Kirkpatrick segment when it read across the screen that the man calling himself "Sean/Don" had been cleared as a suspect.

Excuse me, but the man made a confession tape. What more evidence do you need?

Excuse me, but the man made a confession tape. What more evidence do you need?
Haven't we learned by now that many people do falsely confess to crimes? Perhaps he was trying to frame someone else and otherwise knew nothing about the case other than what was common knowledge or maybe he is just delusional? After all, if he really did "hang around the store" a lot, surely somebody would have noticed this especially since it was a ladies clothing store. There is also the fact that there was no sign of a struggle: according to the confession she would surely have had defensive wounds because they were "arguing" (read: face to face) before the knife came out.

As much as we consider ourselves to be UM experts we are not detectives, psychologists or a forensic scientists. There are some real sickos in the world but that doesn't automatically make them murderers.

Haven't we learned by now that many people do falsely confess to crimes? Perhaps he was trying to frame someone else and otherwise knew nothing about the case other than what was common knowledge or maybe he is just delusional? After all, if he really did "hang around the store" a lot, surely somebody would have noticed this especially since it was a ladies clothing store. There is also the fact that there was no sign of a struggle: according to the confession she would surely have had defensive wounds because they were "arguing" (read: face to face) before the knife came out.

As much as we consider ourselves to be UM experts we are not detectives, psychologists or a forensic scientists. There are some real sickos in the world but that doesn't automatically make them murderers.

What was the goober in the JonBenet Ramsey case?

Look at the Jessie Miskelley confessions for a classic example of cops leading someone to a confession.

Confessions are only as good as the source they come from. In the above, you had one person mentally ill and the other mentally disabled.

The fact that Newton Alfred Winn was released after a relatively short stint in prison and Annie Laurie Hearin has never been found is infuriating.