Mo Rocca discusses Chuck Cunningham syndrome in his podcast. Starting at 12:26 he discusses Judy Winslow with interviews from Jaimee https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mobituaries-with-mo-rocca/id1449045549?fbclid=IwAR2RV52a5Y2o7zFaxxnGIrjD_bWvX8d8nAx3TjIlugCHGLIEuUIs0TksCR8&mt=2 on the episode "Sitcom Death and Disappearances"

Mo Rocca discusses Chuck Cunningham syndrome in his podcast. Starting at 12:26 he discusses Judy Winslow with interviews from Jaimee https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mobituaries-with-mo-rocca/id1449045549?fbclid=IwAR2RV52a5Y2o7zFaxxnGIrjD_bWvX8d8nAx3TjIlugCHGLIEuUIs0TksCR8&mt=2 on the episode "Sitcom Death and Disappearances"
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:lol: I did the same when I first heard

Loved the interview! Thank you, Lorimar! Thanks Mo Rocca! Thanks Jaimee!!!

It sounds like, atleast Reginald and JoMarie knew that would be her last episode.

That's what is seemed like to me, too. At least Reginald.

Yeah it’s nice to hear how supportive they were, you know they tried their all to keep her on.

*shakes fist angrily at Urkel*

On the show 227, the character of Tiffany (Rose's daughter) also completely vanished soon after the series started, but at least she was mentioned once in a blue moon. Judy from Family Matters was totally wiped out like she never existed.

Judy from Family Matters was totally wiped out like she never existed.

Yes. I had a theory at the time that her body was hidden under the floorboards of the Winslow house, and that's why nobody ever spoke of her. They were scared of what Urkel would do to them, if they squealed.

Yes. I had a theory at the time that her body was hidden under the floorboards of the Winslow house, and that's why nobody ever spoke of her. They were scared of what Urkel would do to them, if they squealed.

That’s way too dark Retro :eek:. I think she moved in with Estelle or got a sent to an all girls school. Maybe in Peekskill New York. ;)

That’s way too dark Retro :eek:. I think she moved in with Estelle or got a sent to an all girls school. Maybe in Peekskill New York. ;)

Nah, although that would have been cool, there were already "too many girls" at Eastland. ;)

Nah, although that would have been cool, there were already "too many girls" at Eastland. ;)

Not by then, they were probably looking for new students

But then why did they never speak of her? Why was her photo no longer even on the wall? She ceased to exist, to the Winslow family.

But then why did they never speak of her? Why was her photo no longer even on the wall? She ceased to exist, to the Winslow family.

Well I'm sure they wanted the audience to just forget her, but I would rather think she still existed, just off camera.

Well I'm sure they wanted the audience to just forget her, but I would rather think she still existed, just off camera.

But they could have easily still occasionally referred to her, or even explain that her character was off doing something else. Instead, she vanished, and no-one in the Winslow house even seemed to notice.

Another character that completely vanished and ceased to exist was "Carl" from Good Times. He was Florida's second husband, they honeymooned in Arizona for nearly a year, and then when Florida returned home, she was alone, Carl was just gone and he was never mentioned again after Florida told Michael that Carl bought him a book in Arizona. That was some horrible writing, to just erase Florida's second husband.

Another character that completely vanished and ceased to exist was "Carl" from Good Times. He was Florida's second husband, they honeymooned in Arizona for nearly a year, and then when Florida returned home, she was alone, Carl was just gone and he was never mentioned again after Florida told Michael that Carl bought him a book in Arizona. That was some horrible writing, to just erase Florida's second husband.

I never watched Good Times, but I share your dislike of writing characters out of existence. It's so lazy: why not come up with a reason why the character is no longer there? Why not bring up the character from time to time? Why pretend that the character never even existed, when the audience saw the character repeatedly?

It is very lazy and why I refuse to watch after season 4, but I would rather consider Judy existing off camera then the alternative of her just never existing

But they could have easily still occasionally referred to her, or even explain that her character was off doing something else. Instead, she vanished, and no-one in the Winslow house even seemed to notice.
To me, this is pretty much what happened to Harriet's presence on the Perfect Strangers. I have currently been watching the first season without her in it and its like she was never once on the show. To me, she should've continued to be shown, but not as much of course since she went on to do the Family Matters show.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

To me, this is pretty much what happened to Harriet's presence on the Perfect Strangers. I have currently been watching the first season without her in it and its like she was never once on the show. To me, she should've continued to be shown, but not as much of course since she went on to do the Family Matters show.

God bless you always!!!

Holly
Atleast we know she was fired on Family Matters and got a new security job at The Chronicle.

^^^ Right, but when she went into the security field at the place, she still could've been shown here and there.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

To be honest, I would have rather they brought back Valerie Jones from the pilot after Jamie Foxworth departed, than removing Judy altogether.

To be honest, I would have rather they brought back Valerie Jones from the pilot after Jamie Foxworth departed, than removing Judy altogether.

Yeah discontinuing the character was a huge disservice

To be honest, I would have rather they brought back Valerie Jones from the pilot after Jamie Foxworth departed, than removing Judy altogether.
What happened with that first little girl anyway? Why didn't she stick?

God bless you and her always!!!

Holly

Yeah discontinuing the character was a huge disservice

To be fair, Judy became a background character after Season 1. So they probably thought people wouldn't notice or care if they removed her.

To be fair, Judy became a background character after Season 1. So they probably thought people wouldn't notice or care if they removed her.
Even so, I was a fan of Judy. She did have B plots in season 2 as well.

*shakes fist angrily at Urkel*
Why? What did Steve do? Okay, I know. Some people think the Urkel-mania at the time is to blame for Judy's disappearance. That is not fair though, because there was still room for other characters like Lieutenant Murtaugh, Waldo, Maxine and 3J. So they could have kept Judy on as well, but that is not what the people in charge at the time wanted.

What happened with that first little girl anyway? Why didn't she stick?

God bless you and her always!!!

Holly
I believe that this Valerie Jones also played a younger Hilary in a flashback scene in one episode of "Fresh Prince of Bel Air". But other than that, it seems like she pretty much disappeared off the radar.

Another character that completely vanished and ceased to exist was "Carl" from Good Times. He was Florida's second husband, they honeymooned in Arizona for nearly a year, and then when Florida returned home, she was alone, Carl was just gone and he was never mentioned again after Florida told Michael that Carl bought him a book in Arizona. That was some horrible writing, to just erase Florida's second husband.

They sent them to Arizona with a plotline that Carl was having health issues (something with his lungs), and they thought Arizona's climate would do him some good. In reality, Esther Rolle was upset with a number of things on the show and wanted off. They eventually got her back, and I just assumed Carl was still in Arizona due to his health issues, and the show was pretending they never got married (they didn't show the wedding on the show), or she wanted to return and he didn't.

**EDITED TO ADD: I don't recall it, and it may have been cut out of syndication, but according to several reliable sources, Florida tells Wilona that Carl died of Cancer while they were in Arizona on the 2nd episode of her return. In reality, Esther Rolle wanted him written out for her return (among other demands, like making JJ less of an idiot and a better role model) because she never felt Florida would move on to another man so quickly, and because Carl's character was an Atheist, and Florida's religion was very important to her.

TV disappearances happened all of the time on Boy Meets World, although Mr. Turner did re-appear on Girl Meets World.

Why? What did Steve do?

THAAAAAAT. ;)

Okay, I know. Some people think that the Urkel-mania at the time is to blame for Judy's disappearance. That is not quite fair though, because there was still room for characters like Lieutenant Murtaugh, Waldo, Maxine and 3J. So they could have kept Judy on too, but that is not what the people in charge at the time wanted.

Urkel destroyed the show. It became unwatchable. And for Entertainment Weekly to do a Family Matters reunion without inviting Jaimee Foxworth is unforgivable.

THAAAAAAT. ;)



Urkel destroyed the show. It became unwatchable. And for Entertainment Weekly to do a Family Matters reunion without inviting Jaimee Foxworth is unforgivable.

Agreed

Urkel destroyed the show. It became unwatchable.
Even if you didn't like him, he was the one who kept the show going. Nobody watched it to see Judy.

And for Entertainment Weekly to do a Family Matters reunion without inviting Jaimee Foxworth is unforgivable.
She was overlooked because she wasn't a part of the later half of the show. Which is hardly her fault, but there you go.

Even if you didn't like him, he was the one who kept the show going. Nobody watched it to see Judy.

On the contrary, Family Matters had much higher ratings during the years Judy was on the show than the later years when the producers tried to keep the show on the air using tired gimmicks like multiple versions of Urkel, and lame sci-fi plots.

During the four Judy years, the show averaged a rank of #28. After she disappeared, the show ranked a dismal #53, on average. The show had lost almost 2/3rds of its audience between Season 2 and Season 9. Many, like me, tuned out when it became clear the family on Family Matters no longer mattered.


She was overlooked because she wasn't a part of the later half of the show. Which is hardly her fault, but there you go.

That's odd. I thought this was a Family Matters Reunion, not a Second Half of Family Matters Reunion.

If they wanted to do a reunion which included the popular, highly-rated years when 15.8 million viewers had been watching, they should have included Judy. Instead, they created a Second Half of Family Matters Reunion, watched by a fraction of that audience.

No thanks. I'll happily watch when all characters, all the actors, are included, and I know from Lorimar's comments above that I'm not the only one.

On the contrary, Family Matters had much higher ratings during the years Judy was on the show than the later years when the producers tried to keep the show on the air using tired gimmicks like multiple versions of Urkel, and lame sci-fi plots.

During the four Judy years, the show averaged a rank of #28. After she disappeared, the show ranked a dismal #53, on average. The show had lost almost 2/3rds of its audience between Season 2 and Season 9. Many, like me, tuned out when it became clear the family on Family Matters no longer mattered.



While that is true regarding the ratings however at the same time it is also commonplace for shows ratings to drop over time. Judy didn't disappear until the 5th season and by then people are often losing interest anyways. If it wasn't for the Urkel/Myra humor they had in the later seasons I think the show would have been canceled several seasons earlier.

On the contrary, Family Matters had much higher ratings during the years Judy was on the show than the later years when the producers tried to keep the show on the air using tired gimmicks like multiple versions of Urkel, and lame sci-fi plots.

During the four Judy years, the show averaged a rank of #28. After she disappeared, the show ranked a dismal #53, on average. The show had lost almost 2/3rds of its audience between Season 2 and Season 9. Many, like me, tuned out when it became clear the family on Family Matters no longer mattered.
Even if you're right about the ratings, that will not change what I was telling you: People wanted to watch Steve, not Judy. Again, it is not the actress's fault. But that is still the truth here, even if you don't like it.

That's odd. I thought this was a Family Matters Reunion, not a Second Half of Family Matters Reunion.

If they wanted to do a reunion which included the popular, highly-rated years when 15.8 million viewers had been watching, they should have included Judy. Instead, they created a Second Half of Family Matters Reunion, watched by a fraction of that audience.

No thanks. I'll happily watch when all characters, all the actors, are included, and I know from Lorimar's comments above that I'm not the only one.
Tha is not fair to the other actors though. Is all of their work during the later five seasons (half a decade) not worth a thing to you, because of what the producers and writers did to Jaimee?

IMO if the other actors banded together, especially Jaleel, they could've saved Jaimee on the show... but it sounds like Jaleel might not have cared since he embarrassed Jaimee while filming an episode because she had trouble using God in vain.

On the contrary, Family Matters had much higher ratings during the years Judy was on the show than the later years when the producers tried to keep the show on the air using tired gimmicks like multiple versions of Urkel, and lame sci-fi plots.

During the four Judy years, the show averaged a rank of #28. After she disappeared, the show ranked a dismal #53, on average. The show had lost almost 2/3rds of its audience between Season 2 and Season 9. Many, like me, tuned out when it became clear the family on Family Matters no longer mattered.

You got that right. Urkel was good as one of the main characters, playing the obnoxious Winslow neighbor. WHen it became the "Steve Urkel Show," I stopped watching. Stefan Urquelle, his "cool" alter-ego, was embarrassing. SO was watching a post-pubescent Urkel try to act like he was 12 year old.

IMO if the other actors banded together, especially Jaleel, they could've saved Jaimee on the show... but it sounds like Jaleel might not have cared since he embarrassed Jaimee while filming an episode because she had trouble using God in vain.
We don't really know what went on, do we? But I guess that the other actors were convinced that letting Jaimee go was for the best for the show. Maybe they also were afraid that they would be fired next if they objected.

We don't really know what went on, do we? But I guess that the other actors were convinced that letting Jaimee go was for the best for the show. Maybe they also were afraid that they would be fired next if they objected.

Yeah we dont know

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f you've ever watched Family Matters, you may remember the Winslows youngest kid, Judy--- unfortunately the show didn't as she randomly disappeared after walking up the stairs to her house. Judy Winslow left the show with no explanation ever given as to why. They just simply forgot about her (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ChuckCunninghamSyndrome/LiveActionTV), probably because everyone in the household was far too busy dealing with a destructive, noisy next door neighbor by the name of Steve Urkel. You may have heard of him.

That was great! I agree with alot of it.

https://youtu.be/8gGsUozy8Ec

What's funny is I never noticed she was gone at the time it aired on ABC:lol:

https://youtu.be/8gGsUozy8Ec

Nice collection of Judy moments, Lorimar!

Nice collection of Judy moments, Lorimar!

Thanks :wave:

Thanks :wave:

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