Hey guys, there's this great show called The Facts of Life! And I've started watching it! :lol:

First time in a long time I've watched my DVDs!

So, some thoughts on "Rough Housing":

Eastland was founded in 1925!

We've all been wrong around here! It's not the Harvest Ball, it's the Harvest Fair! pilgrim:

Not only was Cindy Corn Maiden of the Harvest, she was also Captain of the Games Committee---she sure had some titles in this first episode!

With Cindy pitted against Blair in a "race" here, and then with Sue Ann in the spring, the episodes could have been "Queening" and "Running". :lol:

Cindy interacts with both Willis and Arnold. This puts Cindy in an exclusive club: thanks to"The Slumber Party" and "Bought and Sold", the only girls to interact with all three Drummond children, Kimberly, Willis, and Arnold Jackson are Blair, Cindy, Natalie, Molly, and Tootie (unless you want to count Sue Ann acknowledging Mrs. Garrett in "The Girls' School" when Kimberly introduces the girls, though not's them speaking directly...but if you do want to count that, then that leaves Nancy as the only girl who did not interact with all three Drummond children, and she will go put a flower in her hair...again).

Molly was already liberated about gender relations from the beginning. When Cindy is worried what to say to a boy at the dance, Molly pipes up eagerly with: "Don't say anything! Just grab him!" Molly! :rofl:

Natalie still makes me laugh with her "burgeons" line! :lol:

It's neat how Miss Mahoney speaks maternally to Natalie, then branches out to include all the girls (don't count on that to last long with Garrett around, Mahoney---I guess that's why she did it while Mrs. Garrett was out of the room, haha).

I always thought it was so odd that Mr. Bradley changes the curfew first to an hour and a half later, but then after that he only increases it by 10 minutes each time---he went way overboard the first time, lol.

I also forgot that in these first couple of episodes, Mr. Bradley was goofier by getting his words all wrong and getting flustered when trying to talk, lol.

Oh, and it's important to note that this is the only episode of 9 seasons that has an "extended opening" theme! I always forget that the Drummonds are introduced as well over the opening credits, forcing the song to last longer (which none of us complain about! haha)

Not only that, but this extended version of the theme song doesn't have the musical part that accompanies the "accordion fold-out" of Molly, Cindy, and Natalie in the 1980 shows. But starting with LMLD, that musical part is in the opening song.

And like in "I.Q." where Sue Ann and Nancy are the only girls in the latter part of this show, Blair and Cindy are the only girls in "Rough Housing" in over half the show! Fascinating...

I kind of wish they hadn't resolved Cindy's sexuality by the end of the episode. I'm sure if some gay or confused girls saw this in August of 1979, it was probably really reassuring to them to see they weren't alone. But by the end it's confirmed Cindy likes boys after all. It would have been interesting to see it stretched out to where Cindy might have still seemed "questionable" over several episodes.

When the end credit clips start, the first girls who fade in with the credits are my Cindy and Molly! How cool! :D

"Plump Rump" reference count: 2

"Like Mother, Like Daughter"

The most awkwardly taped show of the whole series! What with the underwhelming reaction of the audience. That's what always stands out to me the most about this episode.

I think I may have found an excuse for Cindy not getting the cheese dip! Right after Mrs. Garrett tells her to bring in the cheese dip and leaves for the kitchen, Mr. Bradley immediately comes in and gives the girls their "Hello" badges. And then, after he and Mahoney speak to the girls, he orders them upstairs, and up they go. So, when pressed about this issue, Cindy may say she was completely distracted by Mr. Bradley's sudden entrance and his dispensing of the "Hello" badges to them, and then scurrying them off upstairs.

Now, mind you, I am not saying this will definitely clear the issue with Mrs. Garrett, I'm just saying it's a possible excuse for her misbehavior. :lol:

Oh wow, Natalie got judgmental on Blair's mother! "If she were any more inviting, she'd be the welcome wagon!" She kinda "Sue Ann-ish" there! Mrs. Garrett called her out that: "Natalie!"

It's funny that Molly was in that fireplace armchair the whole time Monica and Justin were schmoozing. And she must have felt so awkward for Blair watching her mom manipulate her (Blair) into kissing Mr. Branch on the cheek. Kinda creepy she would force/manipulate her daughter into kissing a grown man, especially right after said daughter protested it!

It seems really clear that Nina lives in this dorm, the way Mrs. Garrett is so familiar with Mr. Branch. She speaks to him like she's supposed to know who he is, and is familiar with him.

Man, what was with the audience?? Some of these jokes completely BOMB and fall on the floor in such awkwardness...Mr. Bradley: "Blair's mother has a good head on her shoulders!"...Tootie: "You wanna study Miss Mahoney's body? I think you're gonna have to read between the lines..."---uncomfortable silence, not "studio audience laughter"---and that's just two times right there!

Miss Mahoney referenced her lab animals! Wow! I forgot she did so outside of "I.Q."...interesting!

And her hair is full on PERM in this episode! I think she let Gail do it! :lol:

I also forgot that in these first couple of episodes, Mr. Bradley was goofier by getting his words all wrong and getting flustered when trying to talk, lol.

Oh, and it's important to note that this is the only episode of 9 seasons that has an "extended opening" theme! I always forget that the Drummonds are introduced as well over the opening credits, forcing the song to last longer (which none of us complain about! haha)

Not only that, but this extended version of the theme song doesn't have the musical part that accompanies the "accordion fold-out" of Molly, Cindy, and Natalie in the 1980 shows. But starting with LMLD, that musical part is in the opening song.

And like in "I.Q." where Sue Ann and Nancy are the only girls in the latter part of this show, Blair and Cindy are the only girls in "Rough Housing" in over half the show! Fascinating...

I kind of wish they hadn't resolved Cindy's sexuality by the end of the episode. I'm sure if some gay or confused girls saw this in August of 1979, it was probably really reassuring to them to see they weren't alone. But by the end it's confirmed Cindy likes boys after all. It would have been interesting to see it stretched out to where Cindy might have still seemed "questionable" over several episodes.

When the end credit clips start, the first girls who fade in with the credits are my Cindy and Molly! How cool! :D

"Plump Rump" reference count: 2

Great idea Eights! Ironically the “extended theme” is only 2-4 seconds longer than the regular theme!

Facts of facts addressed how they mishandled the storyline. Mrs G never thought it was a possibility Cindy was gay, just that she’ll like boys soon enough.

Great idea Eights! Ironically the “extended theme” is only 2-4 seconds longer than the regular theme!

What?? Wow! Well, yeah, I guess without those climactic soaring notes to accompany Molly/Cind/Natalie (in "staged action" first, then their "accordion fold-out" later), that it could indeed be close. Still though, only 2-4 seconds difference, wow...


Facts of facts addressed how they mishandled the storyline. Mrs G never thought it was a possibility Cindy was gay, just that she’ll like boys soon enough.

Ahh...which is funny, because Blair was pointing to Cindy being gay without saying the word. Mrs. Garrett saw it from a different angle (and, in this case, the truth).

(P.S. Happy New Year! My first post of 2019! :lol: :D )

What?? Wow! Well, yeah, I guess without those climactic soaring notes to accompany Molly/Cind/Natalie (in "staged action" first, then their "accordion fold-out" later), that it could indeed be close. Still though, only 2-4 seconds difference, wow...




Ahh...which is funny, because Blair was pointing to Cindy being gay without saying the word. Mrs. Garrett saw it from a different angle (and, in this case, the truth).

(P.S. Happy New Year! My first post of 2019! :lol: :D )
Happy new year to you and everyone on SO!

(thanks!)

"The Return of Mr. Garrett"

Ouija board, poker---man, this episode is filled with the girls hiding things from the adults! lol

Mr. Garrett is Mrs. Garrett's ex-husband, the father of her two sons...it would've been nice if we could've seen him appear again sometime during the series---or at least mentioned again! lol (maybe he is, but I can't recall any mention at the moment)

When Mr. Garrett is coming back, why does Tootie skate around to the back door where Molly left? Why doesn't she just follow Sue Ann and Natalie toward the kitchen since she was going with them anyway?? And it's interesting hearing Tootie reach out to Sue Ann as one of the older girls, looking to her for guidance ("Sue Ann, what'll we do if they get married, and he moves in here?" [or something to that effect] ).

Hahaha, Molly sure has Mr. Bradley trained well! When he catches them all playing poker, he addresses them as "girls" but then looks at the back of Molly's head and instead says, "women"---and she's not even looking at him! I never noticed that! :lol: (I guess when there are "10, 12 girls" on a show there will be lots of new things to notice ;) )

The handwriting is already on the wall for Nancy...in the gambling bust scene, once Mrs. Garrett comes in and the girls get up and surround her, every girl has lines---except Nancy!

Speaking of Nancy, when the girls defend their learning of poker, Molly says it's educational, Cindy says it's a "sport" you can really from (poker practice after school at 3:30? haha), and Nancy backs that up with, "Everything from psychology to arithmetic!" Arithmetic? Who the hell says "arithmetic", even in 1979? :rofl: So funny!

Hey guys, let's bring back "arithmetic"! :lol:

And I'm wondering if Nancy was the spokesgirl for Folgers or Brim coffee---get a load of that brown-colors-with-red-accents outfit she's got in the first part of the show! (holy embarrassing knee socks, Batman! :lol: )

Well Mr G is referenced in the Ep where they smell gas at the shop. “Jo Ive only reacted combatively twice, once when my ex husband mortgaged our house to pay off a gambling debt, and now; GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE BEFORE I HIT YOU WITH MY FRYING PAN!!!!

"I.Q."

Nancy asks Sue Ann if she could please help her study for her history test, then after Blair's cattiness, Sue Ann goes up with Nancy and says, "C'mon Nancy, let's study together. What subject should we start with first?" Um, history, Sue Ann, like Nancy just said! lol ;)

Interesting to see Blair and Nancy interact a bit here in this little "older girl scene" between Blair, Nancy, and Sue Ann (the only "older girl scene" we have besides Blair's dress scene in LMLD). "Nancy, what are you gonna do when your boyfriend proposes? Call Sue Ann for the answer?" lol...we can pretend that's Roger if we like, although he wasn't "invented" yet (and what if, years later, when Roger proposed, Nancy did call her friend Sue Ann for the answer? lol, how awesome that would be!)

Miss Mahoney says "Tootie" in this episode! The only time she ever does! Actually, this may be the only episode she says any student names: Tootie, Nancy, and Sue Ann. Oh wait, she also said "Natalie" in RH, and TRoMG.

"Sure didn't know she was the smartest...or she was the dumbest!" :lol: Gets me every time!

Speaking of Miss Mahoney, she's got that perm, but she looks the best in this episode out of any of her others (all 3, lol). The first episode is like a weird combo of styles, LMLD and TRoMG have the finger-in-light-socket perm, but it's calmed down in this one and looks halfway decent, for a '79 perm, lol.

I LOVE how Molly GRABS the IQ list and is SO utterly tactless when she calls out with unbelieving astonishment, "I don't believe it, Sue Ann has the lowest score on the list!" and then, of course, her dog catcher "reassurance" story! :lol:

And Natalie was catty to Sue Ann again! Wow! I never caught this before---she says, with a little digging smile on her face, "If you need help, Tootie and I will be glad to tutor you!" Oooo, burn! Not as catty as her "Running" remark, but I was still surprised.

"Make it a round trip, Tootie" is such a classic line---works great to have those skates! lol

I love it when Miss Mahoney makes Mr. Bradley move back a seat away from Mrs. Garrett: "An open seat prevents temptation! :D " Haha, my favorite Miss Mahoney line! I also love "Do we have wandering lines, Mr. Bradley? ;) " haha! Just when Miss Mahoney hits her stride, *POOF*---she's gone!

Oh, wow! Mr. Bradley offered Mrs. Garrett to post his IQ test on her bulletin board! Just like in the original script! Whoa! (it's been ages since I watched my DVDs, and this part was cut from syndication, so I totally forgot it was there)

"Plump Rump" count: 1

Well Mr G is referenced in the Ep where they smell gas at the shop. “Jo Ive only reacted combatively twice, once when my ex husband mortgaged our house to pay off a gambling debt, and now; GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE BEFORE I HIT YOU WITH MY FRYING PAN!!!!

Ahhhhhh,hahahahahaha! :rofl: That's so great! And terrific character continuity!! I was thinking there was maybe one other reference---thanks!

Haha IQ was my fav Ep, the first one I remember watching and the moment Sue Ann took my heart. Loved the girls getting the iq scores and Mrs G and Bradley taking the test. IQ really was epic. And a ha! Sue Ann is VINDICTED! She paid Nat back for being so catty by referring to her as easy. That WOULD be awesome if Nancy called Sue Ann after roger proposed! I’d think they’re still friends. Obviously Cindy and Sue Ann were but I like to think all the lost girls were friends like the core four, Even Molly.

Ahhhhhh,hahahahahaha! :rofl: That's so great! And terrific character continuity!! I was thinking there was maybe one other reference---thanks!

It was such a shock to 10 year old me seeing Mrs G react like that. The closest I saw her to yelling before that was at Molly when she wouldn’t answer the phone!

So many gems here, I don't even know where to start!


It seems really clear that Nina lives in this dorm, the way Mrs. Garrett is so familiar with Mr. Branch. She speaks to him like she's supposed to know who he is, and is familiar with him.

I think so, too. But I wish we'd been given some lines that make it more clear that there were other girls in the dorm. Some throwaway lines like, "Sue Ann, go upstairs and bring the other 16 girls down here, so can all start sandbagging. We're going to save this building from the flood!" or "Molly, it's not fair of you to be so disobedient when I've got 22 other girls to take care of. Now go pack so you can see your father!"


Man, what was with the audience?? Some of these jokes completely BOMB and fall on the floor in such awkwardness...Mr. Bradley: "Blair's mother has a good head on her shoulders!"...Tootie: "You wanna study Miss Mahoney's body? I think you're gonna have to read between the lines..."---uncomfortable silence, not "studio audience laughter"---and that's just two times right there!

I suspect what may have happened is the microphones that are used to capture the studio audience's reactions malfunctioned. Maybe the sound mixing machine broke. For whatever reason, we may be only hearing the studio audience's reactions through the stage microphones. But NBC was in such dire straights that they didn't re-tape, and just went with it.


And her hair is full on PERM in this episode! I think she let Gail do it! :lol:
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I think she let Emily do it, but I can't decide if that's Emily the Stoner or Emily the infant.

Haha IQ was my fav Ep, the first one I remember watching and the moment Sue Ann took my heart.

Awww! Yeah, I can see why this would be a favorite. Sue Ann shines, here! :king:

Loved the girls getting the iq scores and Mrs G and Bradley taking the test. IQ really was epic. And a ha! Sue Ann is VINDICTED! She paid Nat back for being so catty by referring to her as easy. That WOULD be awesome if Nancy called Sue Ann after roger proposed! I’d think they’re still friends. Obviously Cindy and Sue Ann were but I like to think all the lost girls were friends like the core four, Even Molly.

Since Sue Ann, Cindy, and Nancy in "The Little Chill" all arrived at the house behind the shop at the same time, I suspect they drove up together. Otherwise, they would have arrived separately. This indicates, to me, that they have remained friends all these years.

Another thing that makes me think this is that they don't hug each other, as if they already had their reunion between the three of them.

We have no evidence for a continued friendship with Molly, but I like to think she stayed close with Nancy, Cindy, and Sue Ann, too.

Nancy asks Sue Ann if she could please help her study for her history test, then after Blair's cattiness, Sue Ann goes up with Nancy and says, "C'mon Nancy, let's study together. What subject should we start with first?" Um, history, Sue Ann, like Nancy just said! lol ;)

Facts of Facts Podcast folks point this out, too.


"Sure didn't know she was the smartest...or she was the dumbest!" :lol: Gets me every time!

I know! :lol:


Speaking of Miss Mahoney, she's got that perm, but she looks the best in this episode out of any of her others (all 3, lol). The first episode is like a weird combo of styles, LMLD and TRoMG have the finger-in-light-socket perm, but it's calmed down in this one and looks halfway decent, for a '79 perm, lol.

Speaking of Miss Mahoney's Bad Perm, I found the perfect emojis for Prototype Monica and Miss Mahoney!!!

:schmack:

Great idea Eights! Ironically the “extended theme” is only 2-4 seconds longer than the regular theme!

Facts of facts addressed how they mishandled the storyline. Mrs G never thought it was a possibility Cindy was gay, just that she’ll like boys soon enough.

I actually don't think they mishandled the storyline. In 1979, network television couldn't show an underage regular character as gay. Even an adult guest star being gay would have been very controversial. In 1979, Baptist minister Jerry Falwell started the Moral Majority, a right-wing Christian organization dedicated to weeding out "filth" in American society. They were very much opposed to Norman Lear shows (which were much more inclusive and thus controversial), and they were very vocal about boycotts.

Having Cindy just being a lesbian at the end of the episode would have doomed the character. She never would have been seen again, as complaints would have been lodged by the Moral Majority. It possibly would have even caused the show to get cancelled.

The people in FOF Podcast weren't born when this episode aired. They have no idea of the political climate during that era. Might as well say Leave it to Beaver should have had a black adopted son, or I Love Lucy should have shown Lucy as a member of the Communist Party. These things weren't possible, due to societal pressures that have eased in modern American society.

I actually don't think they mishandled the storyline. In 1979, network television couldn't show an underage regular character as gay. Even an adult guest star being gay would have been very controversial. In 1979, Baptist minister Jerry Falwell started the Moral Majority, a right-wing Christian organization dedicated to weeding out "filth" in American society. They were very much opposed to Norman Lear shows (which were much more inclusive and thus controversial), and they were very vocal about boycotts.

Having Cindy just being a lesbian at the end of the episode would have doomed the character. She never would have been seen again, as complaints would have been lodged by the Moral Majority. It possibly would have even caused the show to get cancelled.

The people in FOF Podcast weren't born when this episode aired. They have no idea of the political climate during that era. Might as well say Leave it to Beaver should have had a black adopted son, or I Love Lucy should have shown Lucy as a member of the Communist Party. These things weren't possible, due to societal pressures that have eased in modern American society.
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Yeah, the only show I can think of in the 70s with a character being "gay" is Threes Company... except he's not really gay.

Yeah, the only show I can think of in the 70s with a character being "gay" is Threes Company... except he's not really gay.
Right. He's not gay, "it's just a silly misunderstanding", and he's an adult. A 14-year-old girl being a lesbian on national TV, not a misunderstanding, she actually does like touching and hugging girls... That was never going to happen on network TV in 1979. Not with keeping the character on after that episode. Cindy would have been a one-off character only.

The Golden Girls proved this rule, as well: they had a gay cook in the first episode, who then vanished, never to be heard of again.

Right. He's not gay, "it's just a silly misunderstanding", and he's an adult. A 14-year-old girl being a lesbian on national TV, not a misunderstanding, she actually does like touching and hugging girls... That was never going to happen on network TV in 1979. Not with keeping the character on after that episode. Cindy would have been a one-off character only.

The Golden Girls proved this rule, as well: they had a gay cook in the first episode, who then vanished, never to be heard of again.

Haha I actually knew that one

It was such a shock to 10 year old me seeing Mrs G react like that. The closest I saw her to yelling before that was at Molly when she wouldn’t answer the phone!

Don't forget "Under Pressure"! (the blood pressure one)

And when her son Alex visits and distracts Natalie:

Mrs. Garrett: "Natalie, I'm getting angry. And when I get angry, I yell!"

Nat: "Then don't get angry!"

Mrs. Garrett: "It's too laaaaAAAAAATTTEEEE!!!"

:rofl:

So many gems here, I don't even know where to start!

Everything bursting with season 1 goodness everywhere! :D


I think so, too. But I wish we'd been given some lines that make it more clear that there were other girls in the dorm. Some throwaway lines like, "Sue Ann, go upstairs and bring the other 16 girls down here, so can all start sandbagging. We're going to save this building from the flood!" or "Molly, it's not fair of you to be so disobedient when I've got 22 other girls to take care of. Now go pack so you can see your father!"

That would've been so nice! (see upcoming post)


I suspect what may have happened is the microphones that are used to capture the studio audience's reactions malfunctioned. Maybe the sound mixing machine broke. For whatever reason, we may be only hearing the studio audience's reactions through the stage microphones. But NBC was in such dire straights that they didn't re-tape, and just went with it.

Could be, who knows? It just sounds so odd...


I think she let Emily do it, but I can't decide if that's Emily the Stoner or Emily the infant.

Ha! :lol:

I suspect they drove up together. Otherwise, they would have arrived separately. This indicates, to me, that they have remained friends all these years.

Another thing that makes me think this is that they don't hug each other, as if they already had their reunion between the three of them.

:yeahthat


We have no evidence for a continued friendship with Molly, but I like to think she stayed close with Nancy, Cindy, and Sue Ann, too.

:yeahthat

Facts of Facts Podcast folks point this out, too.

Well then, I do have to give them props for pointing out some of these interesting things.


Speaking of Miss Mahoney's Bad Perm, I found the perfect emojis for Prototype Monica and Miss Mahoney!!!

:schmack:


Ahhhh,hahaha! :lol:

The people in FOF Podcast weren't born when this episode aired.

Like Lorsie! :baby:


Since Cindy's not gay, it is nice to show her being affectionate with her friends and hugging/touching. I'm a very touchy-feely person myself, so it's nice to show that as just being natural and who you are, and something good. :)

The Golden Girls proved this rule, as well: they had a gay cook in the first episode, who then vanished, never to be heard of again.

Well to be fair though, Coco's exile was completely different. It had nothing to do with him being gay, it had to do with him "upsetting" the magic formula of the four girls (one former guest star even advised an upcoming guest star to "just be on the set and let them do their thing. The 4 of them are the stars." [something to that effect] ). Actually there was hesitancy on the part of the network when they created Coco, but the producers stood firm in having a gay character as a regular on the show (there are Golden Girls books by a guy named Jim Colucci that are very interesting).

GG was a great show for inclusiveness. They featured gay story lines and didn't care what the naysayers thought (interestingly, they had no gay writers until season 5. I used to assume, as many viewers did, perhaps unfairly, that some of the writers from the beginning had been gay).

Here she is! "Brim" coffee spokesgal, Nancy Olson! :lol:

(Lorsie, Brim was a coffee that was around before you were, lol :baby: )

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Here she is! "Brim" coffee spokesgal, Nancy Olson! :lol:

(Lorsie, Brim was a coffee that was around before you were, lol :baby: )

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Haha!

I laugh, but that was totally the color style, in 1979. Everything was harvest gold, avocado green, coffee brown, and coppertone orange. The Brim logo is a great example of 1970s kitsch! It captures nearly every color of the 1970s. "Fill it to the rim, with Brim" was their motto. Another popular coffee of that era was Sanka (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ82-_8fBkU).

Ahhhh,hahaha! :lol:

There is one small issue: instead of Prototype Monica slapping Blair, she accidentally slaps Miss Mahoney.

:schmack:

It's "The Facts of Life", with a first retooling! Farewell Miss Mahoney, and hello exterior establishing shots and light musical interludes.

"Overachieving"

Did you notice that all the girls EXCEPT Nancy are in the first scene of this episode? Well, you will!

(a personal theory I've been working on...Felice got through RH alright: "Okay, they've established the tomboy character, and her conflict with Blair"...then she makes it through LMLD, but: "Wow, they're really playing up Blair on here...a LOT"...then TRoMG, she panics: "Blair and Sue Ann are the only older girls talking with Mrs. Garrett! I'm stuck with the younger girls, and I'm not even getting as many lines! What's going on??" and she runs off to the producers with her famous, "What's happened to my character?!", so they pacify her by giving her a co-starring role in "I.Q.", then for spring 1980, they tell the writers, "She's given us problems. Fine, you can give her a boyfriend on the phone, for some scenes but that's it. Keep writing for Blair, Tootie, and Sue Ann."

Also, something saddens me here...we have Blair and Sue Ann paired up, we have Nat 'n Toot paired up, and we have Cindy and Molly paired up---but they don't get any interacting lines! Molly gets some nice dialogue with Mrs. Garrett when she comes in, but Cindy, who has been sitting in the fireplace armchair for the entire scene so far and continues to do so until they exit, gets NOTHING but "Hi", when they're introduced to Tootie's dad. Why have her in that whole scene with nothing to say? Just to show the "realism" of a dorm where several girls are living, some hanging out downstairs? She's even playing with/examining her baseball glove. It'd be nice if they had Molly ask her about it while they're hanging out together on the chair. Alas...[sigh]...

Okay, now time for me to eat crow: :eat: :facepalm:

I hereby publicly apologize to RetroGuy2000. Retry, you were right, Mr. Ramsey DID have the nickname "Rifle Ramsey"---as an athlete back in his school days. I only remembered "Buffalo Ramsey" since that's his secret that Tootie blabbed about his boyhood daydream, lol. They even say "Rifle Ramsey" twice ("I'm gonna show 'Rifle Ramsey' some 'Garrett Gunpowder'!")

Another sad Cindy note here: Cindy is the only one of the seven girls whose career ambition we don't learn. :( (isn't that Nancy's role?) That saddens me.

Then Career Day talks...look at how many girls are there! Are these fellow dorm-dwellers who also reside in this hallowed dorm? Perhaps some from "The Girls' School" on DS??

Another note of geeky interest: This episode makes Mr. Ramsey the only core character parent to say a girl's name other than the eventual main four! After Molly presents him with Tootie's report card, he says, "Thank you, Molly". Wow! How cool!

Also--who are these women at Career Day to give talks? We're never told! (not counting Natalie's sister, who's on the couch) There are two women sitting in chairs beside the couch (shown below). I never really noticed them until this viewing!

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Haha!

I laugh, but that was totally the color style, in 1979. Everything was harvest gold, avocado green, coffee brown, and coppertone orange. The Brim logo is a great example of 1970s kitsch! It captures nearly every color of the 1970s. "Fill it to the rim, with Brim" was their motto. Another popular coffee of that era was Sanka (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ82-_8fBkU).

I know, right?? As soon as I saw Nancy in that outfit, I thought "Brim/Folgers!" (and turns out it was totally Brim, lol) So kitschy! Ahh "Sanka", I hadn't heard of that in years!


There is one small issue: instead of Prototype Monica slapping Blair, she accidentally slaps Miss Mahoney.

:schmack:

Hahaha! :lol:

:schmack:

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It's "The Facts of Life", with a first retooling! Farewell Miss Mahoney, and hello exterior establishing shots and light musical interludes.

This deserves some discussion. Did the first few episodes not have establishing shots and the silly 1979 musical interludes?


(a personal theory I've been working on...Felice got through RH alright: "Okay, they've established the tomboy character, and her conflict with Blair"...then she makes it through LMLD, but: "Wow, they're really playing up Blair on here...a LOT"...then TRoMG, she panics: "Blair and Sue Ann are the only older girls talking with Mrs. Garrett! I'm stuck with the younger girls, and I'm not even getting as many lines! What's going on??" and she runs off to the producers with her famous, "What's happened to my character?!", so they pacify her by giving her a co-starring role in "I.Q.", then for spring 1980, they tell the writers, "She's given us problems. Fine, you can give her a boyfriend on the phone, for some scenes but that's it. Keep writing for Blair, Tootie, and Sue Ann."

I definitely thought that until reading Kim's book, where she talks about the revamp after the first four episodes, and how the show changed focus at that point.


Also, something saddens me here...we have Blair and Sue Ann paired up, we have Nat 'n Toot paired up, and we have Cindy and Molly paired up---but they don't get any interacting lines!

I think they were trying to break up the "gaggle of girls" over which NBC execs' heads were exploding.

Okay, now time for me to eat crow: :eat: :facepalm:

I hereby publicly apologize to RetroGuy2000. Retry, you were right, Mr. Ramsey DID have the nickname "Rifle Ramsey"---as an athlete back in his school days. I only remembered "Buffalo Ramsey" since that's his secret that Tootie blabbed about his boyhood daydream, lol. They even say "Rifle Ramsey" twice ("I'm gonna show 'Rifle Ramsey' some 'Garrett Gunpowder'!")

No worries! I thought I had misremembered it, and am just glad to be exonerated! :lol:


Then Career Day talks...look at how many girls are there! Are these fellow dorm-dwellers who also reside in this hallowed dorm? Perhaps some from "The Girls' School" on DS??

I don't recognize any familiar faces. Would be cool if we could spot "Nina" and her nameless friend, though!

:schmack:

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Ahahahaha!

Apparently, Miss Mahoney didn't drink plenty of milk.

This deserves some discussion. Did the first few episodes not have establishing shots and the silly 1979 musical interludes?

Nope! That was a 1980s "retooling upgrade", lol.


I definitely thought that until reading Kim's book, where she talks about the revamp after the first four episodes, and how the show changed focus at that point.

But you did say you think Felice must have ticked someone off in the writers' room? I thought you still thought that? :confused:


No worries! I thought I had misremembered it, and am just glad to be exonerated! :lol:

As am I to clear the air! :lol:


I don't recognize any familiar faces. Would be cool if we could spot "Nina" and her nameless friend, though!

Yeah, it's neat to see these other girls, though---and those guest women!

Well Mr G is referenced in the Ep where they smell gas at the shop. “Jo Ive only reacted combatively twice, once when my ex husband mortgaged our house to pay off a gambling debt, and now; GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE BEFORE I HIT YOU WITH MY FRYING PAN!!!!
Cool observation, Lorimar!

I really like pieces of continuity like this. Not only is he mentioned, his gambling problem is also re-stated. Nice!

Nope! That was a 1980s "retooling upgrade", lol.

HUH. Good find!


But you did say you think Felice must have ticked someone off in the writers' room? I thought you still thought that? :confused:

I definitely believe that. I just don't think the producers decided to abandon the character of Nancy until after the first four episodes had been produced. They gave her a talking-on-the-phone scene to pacify Felice, but I suspect they gave up all serious intentions of writing for Nancy during the 3-month hiatus between the 1979 episodes and the 1980 episodes of season one. I suspect her lines were given to other girls, even when they would have been better suited to Nancy: you've pointed out a few of them, and I bet we could find many more. Certainly, some of the dramatic lines, the Shakespeare dialog, the actor-speak, etc. And I still don't believe Chestnut was originally Blair's horse.

HUH. Good find!

Yeah, every time I watch season 1 and get to "Overachieving" it's like, "oo, an upgrade!" :lol:


I definitely believe that. I just don't think the producers decided to abandon the character of Nancy until after the first four episodes had been produced.

Me too. :) I mean, I could see them be like, "Alright, Felice is upset, let's do a script for her" and they do "I.Q.", and then during the hiatus is when the boycott comes, lol.


And I still don't believe Chestnut was originally Blair's horse.

:lol: Well, you found the script! But, I suppose in its earlier form, yeah. I'm not as stalwart in my belief in that as you are, but I definitely support that theory, and it would be so cool to find out for sure.

Yeah, every time I watch season 1 and get to "Overachieving" it's like, "oo, an upgrade!" :lol:

Haha! I think I will do the same thing from now on. :lol:


:lol: Well, you found the script! But, I suppose in its earlier form, yeah. I'm not as stalwart in my belief in that as you are, but I definitely support that theory, and it would be so cool to find out for sure.

Yes, we have the final draft from March 24th, 1980, but there would have been earlier drafts. As you've seen, some scripts differed considerably between revisions, with different lines, cut scenes, and even completely different characters.

Blair having a crush on Mr. Bradley doesn't make sense. Nancy having a crush on Mr. Bradley makes much more sense to me.

Nancy having a crush on Mr. Bradley makes much more sense to me.

And me!

"Oh, that Mr. Bradley...he makes my Brim rise to the rim!"

Hey Retro, go back to page 2 to that "Brim" ad --- they left the "e" off at the end of "caffeine"! :lol:

And me!

"Oh, that Mr. Bradley...he makes my Brim rise to the rim!"

:lol:


Hey Retro, go back to page 2 to that "Brim" ad --- they left the "e" off at the end of "caffeine"! :lol:

It's a weird 1950s-1970s era alternate spelling (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/caffein) of caffeine. "Caffein" will eventually die out (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%22caffein%22,caffeine).

It's a weird 1950s-1970s era alternate spelling (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/caffein) of caffeine. "Caffein" will eventually die out (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%22caffein%22,caffeine).

What?? :eek: WHOA---I had no idea!

'I think they dropped the "10 or 12 girls" living in the dorm after LMLD. The pilot has the other girls leaving at the beginning and the second has Nina, but after that they acted like it was just the Starting Seven.

Here she is! "Brim" coffee spokesgal, Nancy Olson! :lol:

(Lorsie, Brim was a coffee that was around before you were, lol :baby: )

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HAHA thanks for the explanation.

'I think they dropped the "10 or 12 girls" living in the dorm after LMLD. The pilot has the other girls leaving at the beginning and the second has Nina, but after that they acted like it was just the Starting Seven.

That's a very good point, Lorsie. It's definitely a plausible theory, although "Overachieving" does have several other girls in the dorm listening to the Career Day talks...(whereas if this had been a year later, Career Day would, of course, be in the cafeteria, lol). It's up to fans' own personal theories if they want to consider those girls "dormmates", or visiting from other dorms (but, if so, why choose a dorm for Career Day if it's for any girls outside the dorm?)


HAHA thanks for the explanation.

Anytime! :p

This deserves some discussion. Did the first few episodes not have establishing shots and the silly 1979 musical interludes?



Oh you didn't know? No, they had no exterior shots or scored transitions at all, just like seasons 2-6. Funnily enough the season finale goes back to scoreless and exterior shot less interludes. The first four episodes also use the main theme song for the end credits over scenes from the episode, while 5-13 use the extended theme over various clips from the season (We've discussed that at some point but I just thought I'd reiterate ;))

Also the theme song changes, everyone gets new clips except for Charlotte and John. It also introduces the center flip for the start of the credits and the girls credited in twos. Obviously the accordion foldout is for the final 3.

I think after episode 4 the producers decided they were gonna focus less on Nancy and Cindy, thats why they were sent packing in MH.

Oh you didn't know? No, they had no exterior shots or scored transitions at all, just like seasons 2-6.

Oh, he knows, deep down in his "Facts"-loving soul. :) I'm guessing he just hasn't watched those "old first shows" in a while. Or perhaps he subconsciously knew, but never fully realized it in the present moment when watching.

But yeah, it's funny, I always notice when binging how they added those aspects to 5-13 (okay, 12), but I never think when I start season 2, "Oh, there are no exterior shots or musical interludes". I guess because then, it's like a whole new show!


(We've discussed that at some point but I just thought I'd reiterate ;))

Haha, anytime, Lorsie!

Also the theme song changes, everyone gets new clips except for Charlotte and John. It also introduces the center flip for the start of the credits and the girls credited in twos. Obviously the accordion foldout is for the final 3.



I think after episode 4 the producers decided they were gonna focus less on Nancy and Cindy, thats why they were sent packing in MH.

But I believe MH was produced later, perhaps somewhere in the final 6 episodes? (I know it aired next to last). So I can't fully support that statement, because they were willing to let Cindy shine again in "Running". :)

"Emily Dickinson"

Okay, something really neat (to an uber-geek FOL fan like me, and, I assume, those reading this, lol): This episode features a very rare interaction with the fireplace! Usually that area is ignored, save a Lost Girl or two occupying the fireside armchair, but check it out: Mrs. Garrett is hammering a nail to hang a picture on the wall over the mantle! (proof shown below) Nice, I totally didn't remember that! :) Definitely a good touch of realism.

Then we get something that's another rarity: Molly reacting unamused to a Natalie joke! lol...I always think that's funny/interesting to see, lol.

Also, I never before realized that the bench scene with Blair and Jason is right outside on the front stoop! I mean, I must've realized on some subconscious level because we see her leave him and go on the front door, but this is the "farthest out" view we ever get of the dorm porch! (and I like the little touch of the plant on the wall).

I wonder what this episode would be like with Miss Mahoney in the teacher role instead of Mr. Bradley? Maybe she have given the girls the assignments, given Blair the best grade, then given Blair's poem to Mr. Bradley, and he would then go on to submit it to the contest. Alas, Mahoney was "history" herself by now!

"Plump Rump" count: 2

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MH was produced sixth I believe

"Emily Dickinson"

Okay, something really neat (to an uber-geek FOL fan like me, and, I assume, those reading this, lol): This episode features a very rare interaction with the fireplace! Usually that area is ignored, save a Lost Girl or two occupying the fireside armchair, but check it out: Mrs. Garrett is hammering a nail to hang a picture on the wall over the mantle! (proof shown below) Nice, I totally didn't remember that! :) Definitely a good touch of realism.

I always like it on shows when the cast is shown in areas that they don't often show, so I appreciate you pointing scenes like these out.


Also, I never before realized that the bench scene with Blair and Jason is right outside on the front stoop! I mean, I must've realized on some subconscious level because we see her leave him and go on the front door, but this is the "farthest out" view we ever get of the dorm porch! (and I like the little touch of the plant on the wall).

Nice view!


I wonder what this episode would be like with Miss Mahoney in the teacher role instead of Mr. Bradley? Maybe she have given the girls the assignments, given Blair the best grade, then given Blair's poem to Mr. Bradley, and he would then go on to submit it to the contest. Alas, Mahoney was "history" herself by now!

Miss Mahoney seemed quite capable, and, even as a science teacher, would likely have spotted the plagiarism. It's listed in every major poetry reference work (https://books.google.com/books?id=IEMuAAAAIAAJ&q=beauty+crowds+me+till+i+die&dq=beauty+crowds+me+till+i+die&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwibpMyA2tDfAhXo0FQKHRblA484ChDoAQgvMAI), so there was no reason a capable English teacher wouldn't catch the cheating.


"Plump Rump" count: 2

It amuses me greatly that you are keeping track of Mrs. G's butt references. :lol:

It amuses me greatly that you are keeping track of Mrs. G's butt references. :lol:

Did facts of facts make him start that? :lol:

Did facts of facts make him start that? :lol:
I don't think Eights listened to the podcasts.

I don't think Eights listened to the podcasts.

Haha Ik but we talked about the rump count a bit

Haha Ik but we talked about the rump count a bit
Oh, so you mean we influenced him! :lol:

Oh, so you mean we influenced him! :lol:

Yes ;)

^---yes, you did, especially Retro pointing out it had to have been "in her contract"! :lol: I thought it'd be interesting to notice! lol

"Dieting"

Oooo! 1 of only 2 "cold opens"! (or what I usually call "teasers")

And Nancy is in this one!

But, that makes sense. If you'll notice, in this cold open about desirable maleness, lol, the four girls chosen for this tiny script are the four girls most inclined to go "ga ga" for an exotic older man---or, well, the three girls most inclined, and then Tootie, who loves to get in on the action of the older girls and see what "their world" is like.

Also, our first appearance of Steve!

And the first named appearance of Roger! (I still like to pretend when Blair references Nancy's boyfriend in "I.Q.", it's still Roger: "Nancy, what are you gonna do when your boyfriend proposes, call Sue Ann for the answer?")

Felice was so talented. She is very convincing in her oozing in the cold open over male ballet dancers, and she's quite humorous when forcing herself into those jeans, lol. When Mrs. Garrett helps her stand up, she looks like Gumby*, it's hilarious! :lol:

*(Lorsie: Gumby was a green claymation character popular before your time, lol: :baby: --- actually, he first came along before all of our time! :baby: :baby: :baby:)

And what I always wonder when I watch this episode: WHAT was the hairdresser THINKING?? :lol: That's such an interesting notion to give Mrs. Garrett that "loose rope" of hair back there! :lol:

And, ironically, even though this episode is about weight and dieting, there is not one reference geared specifically toward our housemother's rump! :lol:

Also: Blair influenced Sue Ann to go on a crash diet, potentially damaging her health, which led to body image issues, a starved fainting, and mental and emotional distress (claiming afterward she still would not eat). And yet, she just gets some rice pudding on Blair's face, telling her they're even. Wow, to borrow and alter a quote from Blanche on The Golden Girls, this girl from Kansas City, Kansas sure doesn't know a lot about "getting even", does she? :lol:

"Plump Rump" count: for "Dieting" --- 0!

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Gumby made a comeback when I was a kid, Eights.

Gumby made a comeback when I was a kid, Eights.

Oo, Lorsie not amused at my joke, like Molly not amused at Natalie's joke in the pizza scene in "Dieting", lol. :p

Haha, I figured you knew who he was, and I saw his comeback after I Googled him to see his dates, lol (I never realized he made a "comeback"!)---but I didn't realize he was as ooooold as he was! lol

And hey, that dang baby emoticon cracks me the heck up, so I love any excuse to use it!

:baby:

:rofl:

Oo, Lorsie not amused at my joke, like Molly not amused at Natalie's joke in the pizza scene in "Dieting", lol. :p

Haha, I figured you knew who he was, and I saw his comeback after I Googled him to see his dates, lol (I never realized he made a "comeback"!)---but I didn't realize he was as ooooold as he was! lol

And hey, that dang baby emoticon cracks me the heck up, so I love any excuse to use it!

:baby:

:rofl:

Haha, I need to find an old man emoji ;) Hows this?

:grrbald:

Haha, I need to find an old man emoji ;) Hows this?

:grrbald:


:lol:

But that's for Retro, when he teaches us about stuff like Klondike #s, and former limited time spellings of "caffeine"! :p

(okay, I knew of having to connect to the operator to get phone connections back in those days, but I didn't know they were "Klondikes", lol)

:lol:

But that's for Retro, when he teaches us about stuff like Klondike #s, and former limited time spellings of "caffeine"! :p

(okay, I knew of having to connect to the operator to get phone connections back in those days, but I didn't know they were "Klondikes", lol)

It fits you both :p

It fits you both :p


:lol:

:lol:

But that's for Retro, when he teaches us about stuff like Klondike #s, and former limited time spellings of "caffeine"! :p

(okay, I knew of having to connect to the operator to get phone connections back in those days, but I didn't know they were "Klondikes", lol)

I'll have you know Klondike numbers were far better than anything in today's modern era, sonny! Operators listened in on our conversations, and we liked it, see? We watched TV on the DuMont. Ten whole scan lines! You couldn't see who was who, but we liked it that way! Arthur Godfrey! Now there was a TV host! He was firing people on live TV five decades before that whippersnapper Trump! Now stay off my grass! *brandishes cane weakly*

:rofl:

Guys, I am so pumped! I made TWO BIG discoveries tonight!! :eek: And I couldn't wait to share them!! :woohoo:

First of all, check out the girls in Mrs. Garrett's sex education class sitting around our girls---then go look at the "Overachieving" pics on page 2 of this thread. The girls with our Sensational Seven in Mrs. Garrett's sex education class are the SAME GIRLS who attended the Career Day talks with our girls in the dorm! I was blown away to discover this! :eek:

This gives even more credence to the fan theory, if you wish to subscribe to it, that all of these girls lived in the same dorm, with Mrs. Garrett as a housemother (and amazingly, we only saw adventures of the same seven girls over and over, haha). So that dorm would have housed about 14 or so girls.

Or, you could theorize that Eastland has just 2 dorms, and those 7ish girls* live in that dorm. :lol:

*(there seem to be 5 extra girls in the class, and 6 at the Career Day talks)


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"Overachieving" comparison images:

"Overachieving" comparison images:

Yes! Thanks Retro, I was SO pumped I couldn't even wait long enough to do a comparison collage! I had to just share the news! :lol:

And here they are all together! You can definitely see the African-American girl, the Asian girl, and "Feather-Hair" Girl™!


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Guys, I am so pumped! I made TWO BIG discoveries tonight!! :eek: And I couldn't wait to share them!! :woohoo:

First of all, check out the girls in Mrs. Garrett's sex education class sitting around our girls---then go look at the "Overachieving" pics on page 2 of this thread. The girls with our Sensational Seven in Mrs. Garrett's sex education class are the SAME GIRLS who attended the Career Day talks with our girls in the dorm! I was blown away to discover this! :eek:

This gives even more credence to the fan theory, if you wish to subscribe to it, that all of these girls lived in the same dorm, with Mrs. Garrett as a housemother (and amazingly, we only saw adventures of the same seven girls over and over, haha). So that dorm would have housed about 14 or so girls.

Or, you could theorize that Eastland has just 2 dorms, and those 7ish girls* live in that dorm. :lol:

*(there seem to be 5 extra girls in the class, and 6 at the Career Day talks)


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No no theres 10 or 12 girls, Eights! Geez atleast get it right! Also, whats up with the color on this episode? It looks like a Wild West film. :lol:

No no theres 10 or 12 girls, Eights! Geez atleast get it right!

Hahaha!


Geez atleast get it right! Also, whats up with the color on this episode? It looks like a Wild West film. :lol:

Wait, what? It's showing that?? I'm trying a color filter on my computer for bedtime, but didn't realize it would affect pics like that! :rofl:

But Lorsie, doesn't this fascinate you?? The part about the girls, I mean. :lol:

The Raven-haired mocha-skinned girl definitely seems like a match. The fox-faced girl with the feathered hair could be a match, but I'd like to see a close-up in "Overachiving". Many girls wore their hair feathered in the 1980s. Asian girl might be a match, but the distance from the camera is difficult.

I am definitely leaning toward this being a VERY cool discovery, but I'd like more close-ups.

The Raven-haired mocha-skinned girl definitely seems like a match. The fox-faced girl with the feathered hair could be a match, but I'd like to see a close-up in "Overachiving". Many girls wore their hair feathered in the 1980s. Asian girl might be a match, but the distance from the camera is difficult.

I am definitely leaning toward this being a VERY cool discovery, but I'd like more close-ups.

I can appreciate that. I wish I had all those close-ups to give ya, lol. But maybe watching the DVDs on your TV screen or comparing full-screen via DailyMotion on your computer (like the kids Lorsie's age like to these days :baby: ) might help more. But I'm going with they're in all probability the same girls :) , as, after all, yes the mocha-skinned girl seems a 99% match.

Also: "fox-faced" :lol: (I see that!)

I WONDER if those are the girls walking out of the dorm at the start of the season 1 intro?

I WONDER if those are the girls walking out of the dorm at the start of the season 1 intro?

Hmmm, 1 or 2 or even maybe 3 might be, who knows; and also, what about "Nina" and her unnamed friend going out the back door in the very first glimpse inside in "Rough Housing"?? Maybe not, but it'll be neat to compare.

Then again, both of these instances were way back in summer '79, so maybe not.

Hahaha!




Wait, what? It's showing that?? I'm trying a color filter on my computer for bedtime, but didn't realize it would affect pics like that! :rofl:

But Lorsie, doesn't this fascinate you?? The part about the girls, I mean. :lol:

LOL yes its in the pics

LOL yes its in the pics

Sorry, I never did this color filter thing before (supposed to be easier on your eyes/mind at night before bed, and letting you sleep better), and I though it just affected how I see things on my monitor. I didn't realize it "discolors" everything in cyberspace for my computer, like if I grab screencaps and share 'em, lol. :lol:

Oh, by the way Lorsie, you made me :lol: tonight! When I was on the couch eating and starting to play tonight's episodes to watch and the theme song came on, I immediately picked up on the drums coming in at the start of the theme song right after the girls start their singing, and I thought of your hilarious representation of that the other day that had me tickled me so! I never really noticed the drums before, but for some reason tonight they were right in my face and I thought of that!:rofl:

Hmmm, 1 or 2 or even maybe 3 might be, who knows; and also, what about "Nina" and her unnamed friend going out the back door in the very first glimpse inside in "Rough Housing"?? Maybe not, but it'll be neat to compare.

Then again, both of these instances were way back in summer '79, so maybe not.
"Nina" also had feathered hair, so this deserves some consideration. We also need to check IMDb. Extras aren't usually credited, but sometimes they are.

Sorry, I never did this color filter thing before (supposed to be easier on your eyes/mind at night before bed, and letting you sleep better), and I though it just affected how I see things on my monitor. I didn't realize it "discolors" everything in cyberspace for my computer, like if I grab screencaps and share 'em, lol. :lol:

Oh, by the way Lorsie, you made me :lol: tonight! When I was on the couch eating and starting to play tonight's episodes to watch and the theme song came on, I immediately picked up on the drums coming in at the start of the theme song right after the girls start their singing, and I thought of your hilarious representation of that the other day that had me tickled me so! I never really noticed the drums before, but for some reason tonight they were right in my face and I thought of that!:rofl:

HAHAHA so glad I could make you laugh! :lol:

There's a place ya gotta go for learnin' all you oughtta know about the facts of life, the facts of life! :drummer: :triplets

:rofl:

"Flash Flood" has always been one of my two favorite episodes, but now I will no longer be able to watch it without thinking, "This was supposed to be Nancy's finest hour!"

(despite the show being a half hour---you know what I mean, lol)

Also, I noticed Molly got "Nancied" in "The Facts of Love"---she didn't get any lines in the girls' cookie-gambling scene (not ironically, neither did Nancy!), she only got one line in Mrs. Garrett's sex ed. class (but what a memorable one!), and in the last scene of the show when the girls are all in the common room and the police brought Blair home, she again got zero lines there.

"Flash Flood" has always been one of my two favorite episodes, but now I will no longer be able to watch it without thinking, "This was supposed to be Nancy's finest hour!"

(despite the show being a half hour---you know what I mean, lol)

Why’s that? Cuz of the original script?

Also, I noticed Molly got "Nancied" in "The Facts of Love"---she didn't get any lines in the girls' cookie-gambling scene (not ironically, neither did Nancy!), she only got one line in Mrs. Garrett's sex ed. class (but what a memorable one!), and in the last scene of the show when the girls are all in the common room and the police brought Blair home, she again got zero lines there.

Odd since she starts the show so dramatically announcing to everyone that she started puberty. Then.... nothing?

Why%u0025u2019s that? Cuz of the original script?

No (I haven't read the script yet)---because as Retry and I have discussed here, Blair's role in this episode just screams "NANCY!!" (in my re-imagining of all 9 seasons (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=324047), I cast Nancy in Blair's role for this episode)

No (I haven't read the script yet)---because as Retry and I have discussed here, Blair's role in this episode just <b>screams</b> "NANCY!!" (in my <a href="http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=324047" target="_blank">re-imagining of all 9 seasons</a>, I cast Nancy in Blair's role for this episode)<br>
<br>It definitely does: boy-crazy Nancy having a crush on Mr. Bradley makes much more sense than sophisticated Manhattanite Blair.<br><br>(Anyone else having problems with the board adding in unwanted HTML code?)<br>

It definitely does: boy-crazy Nancy having a crush on Mr. Bradley makes much more sense than sophisticated Manhattanite Blair.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Anyone else having problems with the board adding in unwanted HTML code?)

YES! (to both!) I've just been going back in and editing the codes out of my posts.

Glad it's not just me!<br><br>(Let's see what gobbledygook gets added this time!)<br>

No (I haven't read the script yet)---because as Retry and I have discussed here, Blair's role in this episode just screams "NANCY!!" (in my re-imagining of all 9 seasons (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=324047), I cast Nancy in Blair's role for this episode)

Omg amazing!!!!

Omg amazing!!!!


:lol:


:thanx:

Also, I noticed Molly got "Nancied" in "The Facts of Love"---she didn't get any lines in the girls' cookie-gambling scene (not ironically, neither did Nancy!), she only got one line in Mrs. Garrett's sex ed. class (but what a memorable one!), and in the last scene of the show when the girls are all in the common room and the police brought Blair home, she again got zero lines there.

I believe the only characters who never got "Nancied" in the first season were Blair, Tootie, Mrs. Garrett, and Sue Ann. You observed the Nancying of Molly in "The Facts of Love"; Cindy gets Nancied in "Molly's Holiday", "Adoption", and likely others; I'm pretty sure Natalie gets Nancied, and of course Nancy herself gets Nancied in 12 out of 13 season one episodes.

Mr. Bradley and Miss Mahoney also get Nancied. Mahoney gets Nancied out of existence! :lol:

Nat was def Nancied in IQ. Blair and Tootie were definitely never. I’d say Sue Ann has a decent number of lines every Ep. The first one might have her least number of lines but she’s still in several scenes talking.

I believe the only characters who never got "Nancied" in the first season were Blair, Tootie, Mrs. Garrett, and Sue Ann.

I agree.


You observed the Nancying of Molly in "The Facts of Love"; Cindy gets Nancied in "Molly's Holiday", "Adoption", and likely others;

Re-watching season 1, those her two "most-'Nancied' " episodes. But "Overachieving" comes a bit close to Nancyism.



I'm pretty sure Natalie gets Nancied, and of course Nancy herself gets Nancied in 12 out of 13 season one episodes.

Haha, true, they don't call it "gettin' 'Nancied' " for nothin'! :lol:


Mr. Bradley and Miss Mahoney also get Nancied. Mahoney gets Nancied out of existence! :lol:

:lol:

Nat was def Nancied in IQ.

Totally!


I’d say Sue Ann has a decent number of lines every Ep. The first one might have her least number of lines but she’s still in several scenes talking.

Haha, you're just wanting to be able to say that because she's your favorite. ;) But Nancy and Sue Ann both get "Nancied" in RH. I believe Sue Ann only has 3 lines, in only 2 scenes: 2 in the common room, and 1 in Mrs. Garrett's doorway (not "in several scenes talking", Lorsie ;) ).

Totally!




Haha, you're just wanting to be able to say that because she's your favorite. ;) But Nancy and Sue Ann both get "Nancied" in RH. I believe Sue Ann only has 3 lines, in only 2 scenes: 2 in the common room, and 1 in Mrs. Garrett's doorway (not "in several scenes talking", Lorsie ;) ).
Ok rethinking you may be right

“I nominate Cindy”
“Come on”
“Cindy locked herself in her room and won’t talk to anyone!”
Any I missed?

Fine. Well then Tootie was Nancied in RH too...
“Mrs Garrett the pig is still on the bus”
“Say gosh thanks nerd”
“I got no time for you small fry.

Natalie and Nancy were Nancied too come to think of it... Gosh they really had poor line distribution for this episode...

Ok rethinking you may be right

“I nominate Cindy”
“Come on”
“Cindy locked herself in her room and won’t talk to anyone!”
Any I missed?

Nope, that's it! But, you shortchanged her first line. She says "Not me! I nominate Cindy!" (in response to Blair's "I guess Molly speaks for everyone?")

And I believe she says "She's locked herself in her room", not "Cindy", because Tootie has just before her said "Cindy's dropped out of the queens race!"


Fine. Well then Tootie was Nancied in RH too...
“Mrs Garrett the pig is still on the bus”
“Say gosh thanks nerd”
“I got no time for you small fry.

"The pig is loose on the bus!"

"I ain't got time for you, child!"

"small fry"? :lol: Oh, Lorsie! :p


Natalie and Nancy were Nancied too come to think of it... Gosh they really had poor line distribution for this episode...

Yes! Most of the girls were "Nancied" because the episode was HEAVILY shared by Cindy, and Blair.

Which I :heart: though, because in this first show, it's so much Cindy goodness!! :D

So, in "Adoption", Molly and Blair and Sue Ann mention an adoption story they saw on Dinah Shore's show. I was curious which show this exactly was, as Dinah had an older show on TV. Well, it turns out, she had several older shows on TV before Eastland! lol

The show our girls are referring to was "Dinah and Friends" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah!) which, coincidentally, like FOL season 1, lasted from only 1979 to 1980!

So, in "Adoption", Molly and Blair and Sue Ann mention an adoption story they saw on Dinah Shore's show. I was curious which show this exactly was, as Dinah had an older show on TV. Well, it turns out, she had several older shows on TV before Eastland! lol

The show our girls are referring to was "Dinah and Friends" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah!) which, coincidentally, like FOL season 1, lasted from only 1979 to 1980!

Huh. According to IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070982/), the show ran from 1974 to 1981.

Huh. According to IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070982/), the show ran from 1974 to 1981.

From Wikipedia (I checked it out of The Eastland Library, haha):

Dinah! is a daytime variety (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_show) talk show (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_show) that was hosted by singer and actress Dinah Shore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah_Shore). The show was the successor to Shore's previous variety effort, Dinah's Place, which aired from 1970 until 1974 on NBC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC) and was cancelled to make way for a network edition of the then-syndicated game show Name That Tune (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_That_Tune). [1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah!#cite_note-1) The series was distributed by 20th Century Fox Television (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_Century_Fox_Television) and premiered on September 9, 1974 in syndication (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_syndication). In 1979 the show became known as Dinah and Friends and remained so until it ended its run in 1980. The show's announcer was Johnny Gilbert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gilbert).

From Wikipedia (I checked it out of The Eastland Library, haha):

Dinah! is a daytime variety (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_show) talk show (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_show) that was hosted by singer and actress Dinah Shore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah_Shore). The show was the successor to Shore's previous variety effort, Dinah's Place, which aired from 1970 until 1974 on NBC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC) and was cancelled to make way for a network edition of the then-syndicated game show Name That Tune (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_That_Tune). [1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah!#cite_note-1) The series was distributed by 20th Century Fox Television (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_Century_Fox_Television) and premiered on September 9, 1974 in syndication (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_syndication). In 1979 the show became known as Dinah and Friends and remained so until it ended its run in 1980. The show's announcer was Johnny Gilbert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gilbert).

Alex McNeil's book, Total Television, confirms the 1980 end date. In this case, IMDB appears to be wrong, and Wikipedia is correct.

But you still can't use it for your Eastland paper, 80s! :lol:

Lol idk why I thought it was small fry... So Blair is the only one not Nancied in season 1. But really the pilot had the DS cast so it made them spread lines between 14 people! GASP!

But you still can't use it for your Eastland paper, 80s! :lol:

:lol:

Back to more sources!

:read:

(lol)

Lol idk why I thought it was small fry...

I don't know either! :rofl:


So Blair is the only one not Nancied in season 1. But really the pilot had the DS cast so it made them spread lines between 14 people! GASP!

Haha---but nowhere near "balanced"!

I don't know either! :rofl:




Haha---but nowhere near "balanced"!

Lol season 1 has no balance. Running came the closest maybe

Lol season 1 has no balance. Running came the closest maybe

Nope!

"The Return of Mr. Garrett", and "Flash Flood" :)

(Nancy was getting close to getting "Nancied" in "Running", lol)

Nope!

"The Return of Mr. Garrett", and "Flash Flood" :)

(Nancy was getting close to getting "Nancied" in "Running", lol)

ROMG? I guess that’s a good point, never really thought about that one. But was Miss Mahoney Nancied a bit? FF def has moments for everyone.

Nancy still had a decent amount of lines in running, she has the running group, her phone gag and talking to Cindy later on.

ROMG? I guess that’s a good point, never really thought about that one.

Yep! All the younger girls and Nancy get several lines throughout, and Blair and Sue Ann have their special scene with Mrs. Garrett, and ending the show with she and the other girls, plus their moments in the beginning as well.

And I like how my Cindy and Molly debate each other over Mrs. Garrett's love life. :) Although, I can't help but think it's kind of rude of Molly to go ANTI-Mr. Garrett, advocating NOT taking him back (with him right there in the room!), when she had been fun having fun 2 seconds ago being one of his gambling apprentices! :lol: Oh, Molly! tsk, tsk tsk...


But was Miss Mahoney Nancied a bit? FF def has moments for everyone.

Not really. MM has several lines: the common room at the start, Mr. Bradley's office, and the girls' room. And yes, FF has something for everyone in the show. :heart:


Nancy still had a decent amount of lines in running, she has the running group, her phone gag and talking to Cindy later on.

mmm, well, you can maybe say "a decent amount", for Nancy, lol. She still has well under 10 lines, though. 1 line in the gym after the running program, 1 on the phone with Roger (1 continuous "line"), and then I believe 3 in the gym in Cindy's famous jump rope scene.

By the way, have you ever noticed how Felice flubs up her first line in the show?* Instead of "exercise", she says "exshercise"! :lol: Listen for it!

*(maybe that's why they didn't give her many lines, lol :p )

Haha really? I guess I may have. Oh well people mispronounce words by accident all the time anyway. :lol:

Haha really? I guess I may have. Oh well people mispronounce words by accident all the time anyway. :lol:

Yeah, but it's a fun flub to catch, lol.

Oh! There's another one! I'm sure you've noticed in "Flash Flood" when Mrs. Garrett herself says, "Oh, there goes the electrility, too!" :lol:

Yeah, but it's a fun flub to catch, lol.

Oh! There's another one! I'm sure you've noticed in "Flash Flood" when Mrs. Garrett herself says, "Oh, there goes the electrility, too!" :lol:

Wow I don’t recall that one!

Wow I don’t recall that one!

Really?? Yeah, it's even more obvious than Nancy's "eckshercise"! :lol:

So, in "Running" Molly declares that Sue Ann and Cindy have been best friends all year, but in "Dope" Blair claims Sue Ann is her best friend. Hmmm. Well, maybe Sue Ann and Cindy are each other's besties, and Blair claims Sue Ann as hers, but Sue Ann doesn't have to reciprocate equal bestiness, if she claims Cindy as hers, lol.

Alas, even with spacing them out, season 1 goes by too fast. :(

I forgot to mention that Marj Dusay is impressed upon me in season 1, long before she makes an appearance in the cafeteria years. In "Molly's Holiday" when Blair talks about her parents fighting through smiling, she says, "Oh, my mother was a wiz at that. 'You cut up my credit cards, dear? That's okay, I just ran your favorite sweater through the garbage disposal! :D " lol...I never even think of Prototype Monica there, that sounds like Official Monica to me! :)

So, in "Running" Molly declares that Sue Ann and Cindy have been best friends all year, but in "Dope" Blair claims Sue Ann is her best friend. Hmmm. Well, maybe Sue Ann and Cindy are each other's besties, and Blair claims Sue Ann as hers, but Sue Ann doesn't have to reciprocate equal bestiness, if she claims Cindy as hers, lol.

I wonder if it's possible that Blair was threatened by Cindy and Sue Ann's friendship in "Rough Housing". Maybe seeing the two girls hug, when Sue Ann was supposed to be her best friend, set Blair off, and that's what led to her rude comment to Cindy about her being strange. Notice Blair waits until Sue Ann is out of the room to criticize Cindy, as if she knows Sue Ann would come to Cindy's defense.

Also, Retro, I thought of you when I was watching the "Facts" bonus features last night---well, of course I thought of this board, but when Mindy was talking about how that first season had "something missing" because it was an elite girls' school but "there was no girl who wasn't from privilege, who wasn't from a different neighborhood" and wasn't something else, and she said that missing ingredient was "the real girl", I thought of you watching that going, "But you did have that already with Sue Ann! She wasn't from privilege, she was there on scholarship! She was from a 'different neighborhood', a farm in the midwest!" I was thinking that too, and I just knew that to, in a way, irk you hearing that, because they had it right there all the time in Sue Ann.

Now, granted, Joanna Marie was definitely from a uniquely different background herself, but they already had those things in season 1 with Sue Ann. But if it was pure off-putting rivalry with Blair they wanted---someone to be more toward the enemies part of "frienemies" with before working on a symbiotic relationship, well, they definitely created that with Jo. :argue:

Alas, even with spacing them out, season 1 goes by too fast. :(

You can make the season last a little longer by including "The Girls' School" and "The Slumber Party" in it. Then it's 15 episodes long: nearly as long as Season 2's 16-episode season! See?

It's really a shame FOL didn't have any crossover episodes with Hello Larry; then not only could Julie Anne Haddock have played a challenging dual role (as both Cindy and Phyllis), those HL episodes could have been repackaged as FOL episodes, as was done with one HL episode that has been repackaged as a DS episode (it was a two-parter crossover, with one episode a HL episode, and one a DS episode).

I wonder if it's possible that Blair was threatened by Cindy and Sue Ann's friendship in "Rough Housing". Maybe seeing the two girls hug, when Sue Ann was supposed to be her best friend, set Blair off, and that's what led to her rude comment to Cindy about her being strange. Notice Blair waits until Sue Ann is out of the room to criticize Cindy, as if she knows Sue Ann would come to Cindy's defense.

Oooo, interesting theory...for me, personally, going along with Mrs. Garrett's observation of "the only people who'll tell you it's wrong are the ones who can't reach out and do it themselves", I think of Blair as just that, coming from a place of ignorance/inexperience/fear; but possibly jealous that she can't form "girlfriend" friendships with her fellow girls, and doesn't really know how (not unlike her "Designing Women" counterpart, Suzanne Sugarbaker, felt about best friends Mary Jo and Charlene). And not only does she wait until Sue Ann's gone, she waits until they're all alone, so she can intimidate Cindy and verbally bully her.

Boy, I'm sure glad Blair improves! lol

You can make the season last a little longer by including "The Girls' School" and "The Slumber Party" in it. Then it's 15 episodes long: nearly as long as Season 2's 16-episode season! See?

Ha, such an optimistic view! And true. Actually I did watch those a while back when I did all those screen grabs.

Also, Retro, I thought of you when I was watching the "Facts" bonus features last night---well, of course I thought of this board, but when Mindy was talking about how that first season had "something missing" because it was an elite girls' school but "there was no girl who wasn't from privilege, who wasn't from a different neighborhood" and wasn't something else, and she said that missing ingredient was "the real girl", I thought of you watching that going, "But you did have that already with Sue Ann! She wasn't from privilege, she was there on scholarship! She was from a 'different neighborhood', a farm in the midwest!" I was thinking that too, and I just knew that to, in a way, irk you hearing that, because they had it right there all the time in Sue Ann.

You better believe it. Sue Ann was a scholarship student, and was vastly different than the girls from New York. Now, if Mindy had said, "They needed an Inner City girl," I could agree with that. But she didn't say that.

Now, if Mindy had said, "They needed an Inner City girl," I could agree with that. But she didn't say that.

Hear, hear---I wanna see you call her out on that! :lol:

Oooo, interesting theory...for me, personally, going along with Mrs. Garrett's observation of "the only people who'll tell you it's wrong are the ones who can't reach out and do it themselves", I think of Blair as just that, coming from a place of ignorance/inexperience/fear; but possibly jealous that she can't form "girlfriend" friendships with her fellow girls, and doesn't really know how (not unlike her "Designing Women" counterpart, Suzanne Sugarbaker, felt about best friends Mary Jo and Charlene). And not only does she wait until Sue Ann's gone, she waits until they're all alone, so she can intimidate Cindy and verbally bully her.

I agree that Blair is coming from a place of ignorance/fear. But why? The screen capture you made, of Cindy and Sue Ann hugging, shows Blair looking upset in the background. Blair isn't upset because Cindy is trying to touch and hug her. She's upset because she's touching and hugging Sue Ann, who has absolutely no problem with it. Sue Ann isn't hugging Blair, she's hugging Cindy. Cindy is therefore a threat, and Blair must eliminate that threat in any way she can. Once Sue Ann has left the room, Blair's claws come out.


Boy, I'm sure glad Blair improves! lol

Me too! :lol:

Ha, such an optimistic view! And true. Actually I did watch those a while back when I did all those screen grabs.

I added a bit more to my post because I realized I had more thoughts to add.

I'm starting to wonder if a talented video editor couldn't take Julie Anne's Hello Larry episode and turn it into a FOL crossover episode fairly easily... :groucho

I forgot to mention that Marj Dusay is impressed upon me in season 1, long before she makes an appearance in the cafeteria years. In "Molly's Holiday" when Blair talks about her parents fighting through smiling, she says, "Oh, my mother was a wiz at that. 'You cut up my credit cards, dear? That's okay, I just ran your favorite sweater through the garbage disposal! :D " lol...I never even think of Prototype Monica there, that sounds like Official Monica to me! :)

That definitely does seem like Marj's Monica! :lol: Prototype Monica would just slap Blair's father in the face and offer him some milk! :schmack:

I agree that Blair is coming from a place of ignorance/fear. But why? The screen capture you made, of Cindy and Sue Ann hugging, shows Blair looking upset in the background. Blair isn't upset because Cindy is trying to touch and hug her. She's upset because she's touching and hugging Sue Ann, who has absolutely no problem with it. Sue Ann isn't hugging Blair, she's hugging Cindy. Cindy is therefore a threat, and Blair must eliminate that threat in any way she can. Once Sue Ann has left the room, Blair's claws come out.

Well, I still believe that homophobia/gender issues are part of the equation. Blair is obviously put off by Cindy touching her earlier when she says, "Would you mind not pawing me??" and she says later, "But Mrs. Garrett, you've seen her, she looks more like a boy than a girl!"

Also, I am sad to report that Howard is not the cook in season 1. Because in "Dieting", Mr. Bradley specifically refers to the cook as female!

Also, I am sad to report that Howard is not the cook in season 1. Because in "Dieting", Mr. Bradley specifically refers to the cook as female!

Maybe Howard had a sex change? :lol:

I kid, I kid. No way a guy that tall had originally been a woman.

Maybe Howard had a sex change? :lol:

I kid, I kid. No way a guy that tall had originally been a woman.

"Ah, ah, ah, Retro!" [holds finger up in air] "Appearances!"

Retro: "You mean like what you just thought about me. :o"

lol :p :D

:lol:

Alas, even with spacing them out, season 1 goes by too fast. :(

It does :(

I wonder if it's possible that Blair was threatened by Cindy and Sue Ann's friendship in "Rough Housing". Maybe seeing the two girls hug, when Sue Ann was supposed to be her best friend, set Blair off, and that's what led to her rude comment to Cindy about her being strange. Notice Blair waits until Sue Ann is out of the room to criticize Cindy, as if she knows Sue Ann would come to Cindy's defense.
What an interesting theory! I definitely think there’s something to that even though the writers probably hadn’t thought that far ahead.

That definitely does seem like Marj's Monica! :lol: Prototype Monica would just slap Blair's father in the face and offer him some milk! :schmack:

The milk!!! :rofl:

The milk!!! :rofl:

Ahahahaha!!!! :brent

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Aww I love those cast pics

Me, too. But now I notice the lamp in the first picture is crooked.

"Aww, Cindy...your first date. He looks just like you!"

"You'd probably go for taller pig:s, Blair"

"Mrs. Garrett! The pig: is loose on the bus!"

Simply because no one has ever used the pig emoji yet. :lol:

Lol i like it!

"Listen, pig:tails with a face to match! :mad:"

(haha!)

"Listen, pig:tails with a face to match! :mad:"

(haha!)

:lol::boxing:

Anybody ever see this picture? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214896687363997&set=pcb.2081717331848395&type=3&theater&ifg=1

Anybody ever see this picture? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214896687363997&set=pcb.2081717331848395&type=3&theater&ifg=1

Yeah, the Nancy and Cindy reunion photo. It's awesome that they still keep in contact.

Yeah, the Nancy and Cindy reunion photo. It's awesome that they still keep in contact.

It is! It warms my heart to see them close! Speaking of which, I peaked at Julie's social media and saw she was with Kim tonight.

It is! It warms my heart to see them close! Speaking of which, I peaked at Julie's social media and saw she was with Kim tonight.

Awwww! Nice photo (https://www.facebook.com/155643731131021/photos/a.947260455302674/2552089804819723/?type=3&eid=ARANjQ26SvEhgHrnbWgAs3CQ5M-RTNTf3vXwnSGqZ1HBMXaChuJf1o6sGjC2pNp1HRXmhaCbRHhqlxge&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBRFi1DRSHsW24nnGYSWCORagF_g3VIgZGJZM__zUWOvW2xWT2063nzaba8wUmOJZK6dvkWYOof2zp_cbH5L-377fK57zRF5GWlFMK1CVo4ZuDkSXIWMFuq8DkKjUw-rPcU94ZMRRPbDtRQg822sGcxVSg134LOWIKpwYKZc_-Nlx5cAE3Ebh8lDA9N1Q4XB0SRA1taFIgC3EdUua2bHS18uMzwVz2j75H690fSgwv-bBrnsICvgAtPcuXwzzf5tbeBrb2OHt0RmgHqtzJYzhjggZj8dR8GL6D9SjZUxq446eCmnDkf2g4Un4cbGSrPTZd2McxvlP7hf1982IEirFDpHw&__tn__=EHH-R)!

"So fun to get to spend the evening with my “lil sis”. Miss ya already !!!"

:loveya:

Julie and Kim always make the effort. I love that.

My heart is so full right now! :heart:

Alright, I just finished season 1 again yesterday. I have new opinions after carefully watching these episodes.

First off, I include the pilot from Diff'rent Strokes as part of season 1. When I ripped the episodes from the complete box set, I have it as the first episode. Sue Ann is very ditsy in the beginning like Rose from The Golden Girls. Completely different than the last half of the first season. She doesn't realize when Blair insults her, she is clumsy with the sewing needle, and she acts silly trying to get the dress Blair throws away in the trash. In the last half, she's tougher and smarter knowing when insults come her way. I'm not sure which Sue Ann I like best but the ditsy version is funny to watch.

Blair also has different character changes. I mentioned in another thread how she plays a mean girl to a T, but around Emily Dickinson her character is more mellow and friendlier. One thing I noticed rewatching this time around how big of a role Lisa had in season 1. She was definitely a writer's favorite. Over half the season featured heavily on her character, whether it was solely based on her or her interactions with another girl as the main plot in the episodes. It's a good thing Lisa is a good actress because it was obvious that character was going to be pivotal in the whole series.

Tootie is definitely a scene-stealer character this season. Every episode she came in and just had the funniest scenes. I'm surprise Molly was intimidated by Mindy because of the girl actresses, I think Kim is the best. She just delivered everything perfectly. My favorite moments of season 1 are from Tootie. Her scene in Dope when she makes fun of the girls name is hilarious and her moment in Dieting when she imitates that weight loss commercial is the best part of that episode. I'm glad they kept Kim because she is one of my favorites from this show.

My favorite episode from season 1 is Emily Dickinson. I like how Tootie blackmails Blair. Mrs. Garrett's line when she hands Blair a tissue saying it's for her perky nose is funny as well. I think it was written really well. My least favorite should come as no surprise since it's featured on the girl I dislike the most, Molly's Holiday. Molly came off too hard in a lot of the episodes. Her acting wasn't natural with the lines she performed. It was very forced. I don't think I could have stuck with this show if they had kept her as a regular acting like that the whole way through.

Anyone else disappointed Mr. Bradley replaced The Croc? I think Croc's character would have been a better fit to bounce off of Mrs. Garrett than Bradley. And it's obvious Mahoney was only added as a potential love interest for Bradley. Thankfully that didn't pan out. You could tell from the argument and her feelings over Bradley in Rough Housing that the writers had in their minds a pair who start off hating each other and then falling for each other down the line. I'm glad she was taken off the show. I didn't like her character.

Overall season 1 isn't a top fave of mine but it does have some decent episodes. The only disappointment was not giving characters a chance to develop properly. They had 13 episodes. We could have at least gotten to know more about Nancy or Cindy like we did with Natalie in Adoption or Molly in Molly's Holiday.

Alright, I just finished season 1 again yesterday. I have new opinions after carefully watching these episodes.

First off, I include the pilot from Diff'rent Strokes as part of season 1. When I ripped the episodes from the complete box set, I have it as the first episode. Sue Ann is very ditsy in the beginning like Rose from The Golden Girls. Completely different than the last half of the first season. She doesn't realize when Blair insults her, she is clumsy with the sewing needle, and she acts silly trying to get the dress Blair throws away in the trash. In the last half, she's tougher and smarter knowing when insults come her way. I'm not sure which Sue Ann I like best but the ditsy version is funny to watch.


Interesting how you separate Sue Ann into halves of season 1. From the first four shows of '79, LM,LD is the only one I can think of with any silliness you reference, that dress scene. She seems much more "the Sue Ann we know" in "I.Q." and "The Return of Mr. Garrett".


One thing I noticed rewatching this time around how big of a role Lisa had in season 1. She was definitely a writer's favorite. Over half the season featured heavily on her character, whether it was solely based on her or her interactions with another girl as the main plot in the episodes. It's a good thing Lisa is a good actress because it was obvious that character was going to be pivotal in the whole series.

Yeah, we've definitely discussed that around here. Even the one episode she has a very minor role in, "I.Q.", she makes memorable because most of her handful of lines from that show are moments of gold. She shines.


I think Kim is the best. She just delivered everything perfectly.
For me, I wouldn't say everything; there's that one moment in "The Return of Mr. Garrett" that makes me cringe, when she waits too long for her beat and forces out, "N-n-not that we were listening!" This is about the only moment I don't ever "buy" Tootie.


My favorite moments of season 1 are from Tootie. Her scene in Dope when she makes fun of the girls name is hilarious
Her funniest moments in that show to me are when Tumpy answers the door ("And I ain't Poopsie or Snitsy either!"), and then when Tumpy leans in stoned and says "You don't hit it...it hits yooouuuuu"---the way Kim leans back with attitude with Tumpy leaning in, and her judgmental look on her face---it's hilarious! :rofl:


and her moment in Dieting when she imitates that weight loss commercial is the best part of that episode.

[gasp!] You mean you DON'T find the best part Natalie's "magic marker" line?? lol ;) (a little joke since nearly every "Facts" fan adores that line of hers)

I like when Molly criticizes Sue Ann for putting her health in danger because of stupid expectations. But probably one of the best things I'd consider in this episode is the gag of Mrs. Garrett helping up Gumby-like Nancy from the floor in her tight jeans, lol---that's a very funny moment! :rofl:


Molly came off too hard in a lot of the episodes. Her acting wasn't natural with the lines she performed. It was very forced. I don't think I could have stuck with this show if they had kept her as a regular acting like that the whole way through
I can see what you mean. I still think she has some moments that shine though, and I still think Julie Piekarski was often the worst at being forced/obviously "acting" (no offense Retro and Lorsie, sorry!)


Anyone else disappointed Mr. Bradley replaced The Croc? I think Croc's character would have been a better fit to bounce off of Mrs. Garrett than Bradley.
Mmmm, I never really thought of that, I guess because I've always "known" and liked Mr. Bradley. But yes, "the Croc" and Mrs. Garrett could have definitely had a lot of goat head-butting, but maybe he would have been too much.


And it's obvious Mahoney was only added as a potential love interest for Bradley.
No it isn't, because I never considered that. ;) (don't mean to come off arrogant there, I'm just speaking for me, my mind never went there) But some fans do enjoy playing with that possibility here. It just doesn't appeal to me at all.


Thankfully that didn't pan out. You could tell from the argument and her feelings over Bradley in Rough Housing that the writers had in their minds a pair who start off hating each other and then falling for each other down the line.
I just see her as a frustrated 32-year-old spinster (lol), and I don't read any interest on his part. I think the perm would get in the way, anyway. ;) But if that's what you get out of it, or anyone else, then there ya go.


I'm glad she was taken off the show. I didn't like her character.
I liked her okay, and I really liked her in the last block of "I.Q." She had a few good lines there, too.


The only disappointment was not giving characters a chance to develop properly. They had 13 episodes. We could have at least gotten to know more about Nancy or Cindy like we did with Natalie in Adoption or Molly in Molly's Holiday.
Well Nancy definitely, but we got 1 1/2 Cindy episodes---"Rough Housing", and "Running" (well, technically more like 1 1/3 episodes, as "Running" featured Sue Ann a bit more). In fact, I'm so proud of Cindy that she got the first heart-to-heart talk with Mrs. Garrett that took up two full scenes---a very rare thing. :)

Interesting how you separate Sue Ann into halves of season 1. From the first four shows of '79, LM,LD is the only one I can think of with any silliness you reference, that dress scene. She seems much more "the Sue Ann we know" in "I.Q." and "The Return of Mr. Garrett".

Yeah, we've definitely discussed that around here. Even the one episode she has a very minor role in, "I.Q.", she makes memorable because most of her handful of lines from that show are moments of gold. She shines.

Her funniest moments in that show to me are when Tumpy answers the door ("And I ain't Poopsie or Snitsy either!"), and then when Tumpy leans in stoned and says "You don't hit it...it hits yooouuuuu"---the way Kim leans back with attitude with Tumpy leaning in, and her judgmental look on her face---it's hilarious! :rofl:

[gasp!] You mean you DON'T find the best part Natalie's "magic marker" line?? lol ;) (a little joke since nearly every "Facts" fan adores that line of hers)

I can see what you mean. I still think she has some moments that shine though, and I still think Julie Piekarski was often the worst at being forced/obviously "acting" (no offense Retro and Lorsie, sorry!)

Mmmm, I never really thought of that, I guess because I've always "known" and liked Mr. Bradley. But yes, "the Croc" and Mrs. Garrett could have definitely had a lot of goat head-butting, but maybe he would have been too much.

No it isn't, because I never considered that. ;) (don't mean to come off arrogant there, I'm just speaking for me, my mind never went there) But some fans do enjoy playing with that possibility here. It just doesn't appeal to me at all.

I just see her as a frustrated 32-year-old spinster (lol), and I don't read any interest on his part. I think the perm would get in the way, anyway. ;) But if that's what you get out of it, or anyone else, then there ya go.

I liked her okay, and I really liked her in the last block of "I.Q." She had a few good lines there, too.

Well Nancy definitely, but we got 1 1/2 Cindy episodes---"Rough Housing", and "Running" (well, technically more like 1 1/3 episodes, as "Running" featured Sue Ann a bit more). In fact, I'm so proud of Cindy that she got the first heart-to-heart talk with Mrs. Garrett that took up two full scenes---a very rare thing. :)


Those first few episodes Sue Ann seems a lot different than the girl who hit Blair in the second half. I also noticed when Blair insults Sue Ann in the later episodes, she's able to recognize it unlike The Girls School when she asks "Was I just insulted?"

Since it's been mentioned Felice was the first girl hired and had the pilot based on her character, I wonder how she felt seeing Lisa get the spotlight over her?

For what should have been a serious episode, it was hard to take Dope seriously with the comical scenes from a lot of the characters.

Natalie's magic marker scene is alright. I wasn't a big fan of Mindy's in season 1. Natalie was alright but there were other characters who outshined her IMO.

I didn't really see scenes from Julie that were forced. She was trying to play the part given to her. I guess one thing that was weird, not really an annoyance, was the face she'd make when either being tough or mad. I guess that was kind of forced.

I do like that Bradley mentioned in Rough Housing that was his first year as headmaster so we knew Croc was let go or transferred or something :lol: I hate when shows make characters disappear without explanations.

I interpreted that because of how a lot of shows start couples off that way. It's annoying. Just let characters be friends without the possibility of a love connection. Oh thank you for mentioning that perm! Yes, that was another thing about Mahoney I didn't like :lol:

Rough Housing was more about how people feel when getting made fun of than getting to know Cindy. I don't think we got to know Cindy real well. They could have done a lot those 13 episodes but instead they wanted to showcase Blair and have fans like her more than the other girls, including Natalie and Tootie.

Alright, I just finished season 1 again yesterday. I have new opinions after carefully watching these episodes.

First off, I include the pilot from Diff'rent Strokes as part of season 1. When I ripped the episodes from the complete box set, I have it as the first episode. Sue Ann is very ditsy in the beginning like Rose from The Golden Girls. Completely different than the last half of the first season. She doesn't realize when Blair insults her, she is clumsy with the sewing needle, and she acts silly trying to get the dress Blair throws away in the trash. In the last half, she's tougher and smarter knowing when insults come her way. I'm not sure which Sue Ann I like best but the ditsy version is funny to watch.

We've definitely noticed the change in character, in Sue Ann, and have mentioned it, but we've discussed it in terms of the backdoor pilot vs. the series itself. I hadn't considered the trashed dress scene as an example of a ditzy Sue Ann.

Ditzy Sue Ann is funny in the pilot, but I'm glad they smartened her up. She has too many great scenes as a kick-ass Daisy Duke-style Kansas City spitfire for me to be entirely comfortable with her being portrayed as ditzy.


Blair also has different character changes. I mentioned in another thread how she plays a mean girl to a T, but around Emily Dickinson her character is more mellow and friendlier. One thing I noticed rewatching this time around how big of a role Lisa had in season 1. She was definitely a writer's favorite. Over half the season featured heavily on her character, whether it was solely based on her or her interactions with another girl as the main plot in the episodes. It's a good thing Lisa is a good actress because it was obvious that character was going to be pivotal in the whole series.

I couldn't agree more. Not only was she a great actress, the Blair character became an icon of the 1980s. And that is due to Lisa's brilliant portrayal.


Tootie is definitely a scene-stealer character this season. Every episode she came in and just had the funniest scenes. I'm surprise Molly was intimidated by Mindy because of the girl actresses, I think Kim is the best.

Kim was brilliant (she was nine, but was "years ahead of her time" :lol: )

I still don't understand Molly's comment about Mindy being intimidating, but I don't suppose we will ever get anymore details.


She just delivered everything perfectly. My favorite moments of season 1 are from Tootie. Her scene in Dope when she makes fun of the girls name is hilarious and her moment in Dieting when she imitates that weight loss commercial is the best part of that episode. I'm glad they kept Kim because she is one of my favorites from this show.

Absolutely. I can't imagine a FOL without Tootie.


My favorite episode from season 1 is Emily Dickinson. I like how Tootie blackmails Blair. Mrs. Garrett's line when she hands Blair a tissue saying it's for her perky nose is funny as well. I think it was written really well. My least favorite should come as no surprise since it's featured on the girl I dislike the most, Molly's Holiday. Molly came off too hard in a lot of the episodes. Her acting wasn't natural with the lines she performed. It was very forced. I don't think I could have stuck with this show if they had kept her as a regular acting like that the whole way through.

Production on the first season was incredibly rushed (they didn't even do a promo shoot until after the first four episodes), and Gary Shimokawa, who hadn't worked with kids before, and never worked on another FOL episode, directed "Molly's Holiday". I suspect that with a competent director used to child actors, this would have been a good episode. But Mr. Shimokawa was new to directing (this was only his 8th project).

Under competent directing, Molly shone just two years later in Tempset (1982) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1p6Q5J5H2Q).


Anyone else disappointed Mr. Bradley replaced The Croc? I think Croc's character would have been a better fit to bounce off of Mrs. Garrett than Bradley.

The Croc was insane, and I can't believe they would ever have kept him as a regular character. That worked okay for a pilot when Mrs. Garrett was just visiting Eastland/Eastlake and the storyline was, "this is a crazy girls' school", but I don't think it would have worked well in a series: any competent school board would have removed The Croc after any number of Human Resources violations.


And it's obvious Mahoney was only added as a potential love interest for Bradley.

That's possible, but there was already a Mahoney prototype in the pilot script, before Bradley was even conceived. So it seems to me that if they wanted a love interest, Bradley was created for Mahoney, not the other way around.


Overall season 1 isn't a top fave of mine but it does have some decent episodes. The only disappointment was not giving characters a chance to develop properly. They had 13 episodes. We could have at least gotten to know more about Nancy or Cindy like we did with Natalie in Adoption or Molly in Molly's Holiday.

Yeah, it's really a shame they didn't flesh out Cindy and Nancy more. We never got to see their families, or (in the case of Nancy) even get to know her very well.

Since it's been mentioned Felice was the first girl hired and had the pilot based on her character, I wonder how she felt seeing Lisa get the spotlight over her?
I bet she was envious and hurt and disappointed (after all, she went to the producers in a panic asking, "What happened to my character??", after the experience of her character having been so important in the backdoor pilot).


Rough Housing was more about how people feel when getting made fun of than getting to know Cindy. I don't think we got to know Cindy real well.

Really? I see it as getting to know Cindy. And I know I'd never before seen a preteen girl accused of being a lesbian before. This definitely wasn't your run-of-the-mill "making fun of" story line. We learn of Cindy's love of sports, her being a tomboy, we get a glimpse of her awkward relationship with her father, her gender insecurity at feeling more like a boy than a girl, self-pitying herself for being able to make a great brother for someone...okay, I'll stop. I just love Cindy! :loveya:

I see all kinds of character with her. Nancy, however, is another story (unfortunately for Nancy, a short one!)

For me, I wouldn't say everything; there's that one moment in "The Return of Mr. Garrett" that makes me cringe, when she waits too long for her beat and forces out, "N-n-not that we were listening!" This is about the only moment I don't ever "buy" Tootie.

I agree; there are a few other scenes like that, too, but Kim still delivers a solid performance in nearly every episode.

There are even a few scenes where Lisa's acting is BAD. The worst one, IMO, is during "Flash Flood", when she turns to the window to say "Oh no!" about the rising water.


Her funniest moments in that show to me are when Tumpy answers the door ("And I ain't Poopsie or Snitsy either!"), and then when Tumpy leans in stoned and says "You don't hit it...it hits yooouuuuu"---the way Kim leans back with attitude with Tumpy leaning in, and her judgmental look on her face---it's hilarious! :rofl:

It is hilarious.

I think my favorite First Season Tootie moment is in "IQ": "You're right Blair. It's not you either." The way she delivers that line! :rofl:

But probably one of the best things I'd consider in this episode is the gag of Mrs. Garrett helping up Gumby-like Nancy from the floor in her tight jeans, lol---that's a very funny moment! :rofl:

Nancy's jeans and umbrella are very funny!


I can see what you mean. I still think she has some moments that shine though, and I still think Julie Piekarski was often the worst at being forced/obviously "acting" (no offense Retro and Lorsie, sorry!)

No worries. We know your feelings very well.

My favorite Sue Ann line is "You two outta be ashamed of yourselves. You had no right to eavesdrop, or even to be there.... But as long as you were, what else did they say?!" :lol:




I think the perm would get in the way, anyway. ;)

:rofl:

"Do I really have to go on camera looking like this?! Can't I just quit?"

There are even a few scenes where Lisa's acting is BAD. The worst one, IMO, is during "Flash Flood", when she turns to the window to say "Oh no!" about the rising water.

Oh yes, that is over-the-top and drawn out, much like that Tootie RoMG moment! That's the only one that jumps to mind.


I think my favorite First Season Tootie moment is in "IQ": "You're right Blair. It's not you either." The way she delivers that line! :rofl:
Well you're not alone, as you hear at least one woman in the audience shriek with delight over her impish attitude! :lol:


My favorite Sue Ann line is "You two outta be ashamed of yourselves. You had no right to eavesdrop, or even to be there.... But as long as you were, what else did they say?!" :lol:
You are a true "Sue Fan"---you got it word for word!


"Do I really have to go on camera looking like this?! Can't I just quit?"
Ahhhh,hahahaha! :rofl:

Can you imagine what BLAIR must think of her?? After all, look at what she does when she sees an image of Emily Dickinson: "lol, she can't be much---look at the way she wears her hair!"

By the way, have you ever noticed how Lisa's hair is "horizontal" in "Emiy Dickinson"? Isn't that interesting? It's the only show they style it like that, and it is soooooooo '70s!

Oh yes, that is over-the-top and drawn out, much like that Tootie RoMG moment! That's the only one that jumps to mind.

It's rare for Lisa to flub a line, but it does happen; I'd have to review my DVDs, but I know there are several more.

I also don't buy Blair's "blue blood would never mix with yours" line, but that was just because of the writing.


Well you're not alone, as you hear at least one woman in the audience shriek with delight over her impish attitude! :lol:

OMG, that woman in the studio audience! :lol:


You are a true "Sue Fan"---you got it word for word!

I like that! "Sue Fan"! Nice!


Ahhhh,hahahaha! :rofl:

Can you imagine what BLAIR must think of her?? After all, look at what she does when she sees an image of Emily Dickinson: "lol, she can't be much---look at the way she wears her hair!"

:lol: Great point!


By the way, have you ever noticed how Lisa's hair is "horizontal" in "Emiy Dickinson"? Isn't that interesting? It's the only show they style it like that, and it is soooooooo '70s!

It is very odd, and they even mentioned it in FOF Podcast, along the lines of, "Blair always has great hair, but this hair-do is a hair-don't!" (paraphrased).

I have always wondered if Lisa didn't have a cut or zit on her forehead that day, so they covered it with that big chunk of hair.

And speaking of hairdos on this show, it has always puzzled me that you never participated in the Cindy Webster hairdo thread. Your favorite character, on a topic you often discuss... but... radio silence...

Lol yes Tootie shaking as she mocks Blair in IQ was just perfect. Blair, Sue Ann, and Tootie definitely shine most in season 1. I agree that series Sue Ann is different from pilot Sue Ann. She never seemed brainless on the series like she was on the pilot.

I agree that series Sue Ann is different from pilot Sue Ann. She never seemed brainless on the series like she was on the pilot.

Yes, RH and LM,LD Sue Ann may be finding her footing, but backdoor pilot Sue Ann is vastly different from series Sue Ann.

I've just started watching Season 1 and so far I've seen Ep 1 Rough Housing, Ep 8 The Facts of Love, Ep 9 Flash Flood, Ep 10 Adoption and Ep 11 Running. I really liked the Adoption episode and the ending was really cute.

From watching "Rough Housing" in celebration of tonight's Harvest Moon, don't forget, Eastland School for Girls will celebrate its centennial 100th anniversary in 2025! :lol:

(RH aired in 1979, and Miss Mahoney speaks of Eastland's traditions that have been around "for 50 years"---of course, she could be estimating, but that does make the year 1925 a nice round number for its founding year)

From watching "Rough Housing" in celebration of tonight's Harvest Moon, don't forget, Eastland School for Girls will celebrate its centennial 100th anniversary in 2025! :lol:

(RH aired in 1979, and Miss Mahoney speaks of Eastland's traditions that have been around "for 50 years"---of course, she could be estimating, but that does make the year 1925 a nice round number for its founding year)

Nice find, '80s!

From watching "Rough Housing" in celebration of tonight's Harvest Moon, don't forget, Eastland School for Girls will celebrate its centennial 100th anniversary in 2025! :lol:

(RH aired in 1979, and Miss Mahoney speaks of Eastland's traditions that have been around "for 50 years"---of course, she could be estimating, but that does make the year 1925 a nice round number for its founding year)

Wouldn't it be 1929?

Wouldn't it be 1929?

OMG yes. Thanks for catching that! Math was never my strong suit, but even I know 79 minus 50 does NOT equal 25! :rofl: :crazy:

So in 1929, the year of the (not so) great stock market crash, someone had enough capital to establish a private school for girls! lol

OMG yes. Thanks for catching that! Math was never my strong suit, but even I know 79 minus 50 does NOT equal 25! :rofl: :crazy:

So in 1929, the year of the (not so) great stock market crash, someone had enough capital to establish a private school for girls! lol

Maybe they founded it before the stock market crash.

I actually don't think they mishandled the storyline. In 1979, network television couldn't show an underage regular character as gay. Even an adult guest star being gay would have been very controversial. In 1979, Baptist minister Jerry Falwell started the Moral Majority, a right-wing Christian organization dedicated to weeding out "filth" in American society. They were very much opposed to Norman Lear shows (which were much more inclusive and thus controversial), and they were very vocal about boycotts.

Having Cindy just being a lesbian at the end of the episode would have doomed the character. She never would have been seen again, as complaints would have been lodged by the Moral Majority. It possibly would have even caused the show to get cancelled.

The people in FOF Podcast weren't born when this episode aired. They have no idea of the political climate during that era. Might as well say Leave it to Beaver should have had a black adopted son, or I Love Lucy should have shown Lucy as a member of the Communist Party. These things weren't possible, due to societal pressures that have eased in modern American society.

Having an underage character as gay would have definitely gotten the show canceled (as if Season 1 didn't have enough controversies). But this was the time period where gay characters or discussion did start to prop up on TV. You had the Billy Crystal/Jody gay character on Soap. You had Jack Tripper pretending to be gay (even though he was not gay) so he could live with 2 women on Threes Company.

Having an underage character as gay would have definitely gotten the show canceled (as if Season 1 didn't have enough controversies). But this was the time period where gay characters or discussion did start to prop up on TV. You had the Billy Crystal/Jody gay character on Soap. You had Jack Tripper pretending to be gay (even though he was not gay) so he could live with 2 women on Threes Company.

There was also Phyllis Lindstrom's brother in one episode of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" who was gay, which ended on a really funny note. And this was back in 1973!

So since I'm binging the DS Mrs. Garrett seasons, I decided to watch the whole DS Edna Garrett evolution by watching the first four 1979 FOL episodes between DS seasons 1 and 2, since DS season 2 premiered 1 week after the 4th and last 1979 episode of FOL.

And I noticed a few things in "Rough Housing" I never noticed before!

-- There's a pumpkin with a drawn-on smiley face on the "phone stand"

-- There's a wagon of big gourds in front of the grandfather clock

-- There's a basket of big gourds by the foot of the stairs

-- There's a basket of small gourds on top of the cream-colored piano

And what really shocked me to see that I never noticed before, Willis reacts to Cindy's insult to Blair! After she says, "You'd probably go for taller pigs, Blair", the camera cuts back to the Drummonds and Mrs. Garrett, and Willis was looking at the girls, because as soon as the camera cuts to the Ds and M.G., Willis is turning his head back around in front of the audience and he goes "OOOooooo!" with his chin stuck out, as a comment on Cindy "burning" Blair. Wow, I never noticed!

So those are the "new things" this viewing.

Oh, and SIX characters say Cindy's name! :woohoo:


Mrs. Garrett
Mr. Bradley
Blair
Sue Ann
Molly
Tootie



In Cindy and Mrs. Garrett's big two-part scene, right before the first part ends and Cindy goes, "What if Blair's right? What if I'm not normal? :(" she just breaks your little heart! :crying:

And of course we admire Mrs. Garrett's heart-to-heart and pep talk with Cindy, but she was promising things that wouldn't have necessarily delivered. When Mrs. Garrett brings up Cindy's concern with her "boyish body", she assures her that curves will come with time, like they did with her, when she had been a beanpole in Wisconsin. That's not fair to promise that to Cindy. What about girls who don't develop curves? What about women like Nancy Culp (the banker's secretary Miss Jane Hathaway on "The Beverly Hillbillies") and Beverly Archer (Iola on "Mama's Family")? What she should have said was no matter what her body ended up being, women come in all shapes and sizes, so she would have "pioneers" before her to look up to (she kind of did when she listed the sports women, but that was earlier; it was after that that she promised Cindy her body/hormones would change).

And she shouldn't have assured Cindy that her hormones would turn on to boys one day. What about girls whose hormones never go for boys? Again, a promise she can't promise.

But, this was written by two men, and, in 1979 at that. So, yeah.

Omg, and in "Like Mother, Like Daughter", when the girls lead Blair's mom into the common room from the end when she's carrying the covered dish with potholders wearing an apron, in a "wth??" moment, when Natalie is leading the way out front, she puts her hand to her chest, rolls her eyes, and sticks her tongue out with a gag sound. I never noticed that before either! Wth?? :lol:

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WOW! I'm watching the LMLD end credits, and Natalie does NOT do the "gag" thing there! Cool, so she for some reason did the gag thing in one taping, but for the end credits they used the other taping to pull that same clip where she doesn't do it---very interesting! (to guys like us, lol)

And poor Cindy---I guess they wanted to show tomboys do NOT know how to pick clothes!! :lol:

Willis reacts to Cindy's insult to Blair! After she says, "You'd probably go for taller pigs, Blair", the camera cuts back to the Drummonds and Mrs. Garrett, and Willis was looking at the girls, because as soon as the camera cuts to the Ds and M.G., Willis is turning his head back around in front of the audience and he goes "OOOooooo!" with his chin stuck out, as a comment on Cindy "burning" Blair. Wow, I never noticed!

Nice find! It's elements like this that broaden the show, IMO. We not only see Blair and Cindy sniping at each other, we even see Willis reacting to Cindy's burn.


In Cindy and Mrs. Garrett's big two-part scene, right before the first part ends and Cindy goes, "What if Blair's right? What if I'm not normal? :(" she just breaks your little heart! :crying:

She really does. The willowy wistfulness that Eve Brandstein noticed really came through, there. I love that line, and I love how it's delivered.

This line, the way it was written, gave millions of questioning boys and girls a voice, after being silenced for decades. "Is it okay for me to be gay?" As far as I know, Cindy was the first teenage girl on network television to question her sexuality. With this beginning, FOL establishes itself as a Norman Lear-style sitcom: they're going to tackle Big Issues.


And of course we admire Mrs. Garrett's heart-to-heart and pep talk with Cindy, but she was promising things that wouldn't have necessarily delivered. When Mrs. Garrett brings up Cindy's concern with her "boyish body", she assures her that curves will come with time, like they did with her, when she had been a beanpole in Wisconsin. That's not fair to promise that to Cindy. What about girls who don't develop curves? What about women like Nancy Culp (the banker's secretary Miss Jane Hathaway on "The Beverly Hillbillies") and Beverly Archer (Iola on "Mama's Family")? What she should have said was no matter what her body ended up being, women come in all shapes and sizes, so she would have "pioneers" before her to look up to (she kind of did when she listed the sports women, but that was earlier; it was after that that she promised Cindy her body/hormones would change).

I see your point, but I don't see it as anything different than, for example, assuring a boy that his voice will change, or that he will grow taller: it seems very likely it will happen, to some extent.


And she shouldn't have assured Cindy that her hormones would turn on to boys one day. What about girls whose hormones never go for boys? Again, a promise she can't promise.

Yes, this part is where Mrs. Garrett goes astray, but I don't believe Mrs. Garrett could tell an adolescent girl on network television that it was okay to be gay in 1979. The Television Code of Practice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Practices_for_Television_Broadcasters), similar to the Hays Code for film, was in force until 1983.

In February 1987, almost a decade after "Rough Housing", PBS aired the "lesbian" episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI9RNOGHqYY) of Degrassi Junior High: "Rumor Has It". In the episode, Caitlin believes her teacher Miss Avery is a lesbian, and has a series of dreams about her. At the end, just like in RH, it turns out that her teacher is not a lesbian, and Caitlin apologizes. In the original sequence, Miss Avery asks Caitlin if it would have mattered if she were a lesbian, and Caitlin shakes her head no. This final part was deemed too provocative in the US, and PBS cut the end, where Caitlin shakes her head no, instead freezing on Caitlin and making it look as though Caitlin had to pause to decide for herself. They had to pull the punch. Even PBS, the most liberal US network at the time, couldn't tell teens it was okay to be gay. Even then, there was a backlash. The episode was banned in the UK and parts of the Bible Belt (https://jontrouten.blogspot.com/2016/08/remembering-degrassi-junior-high_21.html).

I've seen some fans criticize RH as not progressive enough. These viewers just have no idea what the producers were up against.

But, this was written by two men, and, in 1979 at that. So, yeah.

Yeah. It's only through time that attitudes shifted, and FOL and Cindy, according to critics, hold a place in history for that.

WOW! I'm watching the LMLD end credits, and Natalie does NOT do the "gag" thing there! Cool, so she for some reason did the gag thing in one taping, but for the end credits they used the other taping to pull that same clip where she doesn't do it---very interesting! (to guys like us, lol)

Cool! So they used the alternate take, there!


And poor Cindy---I guess they wanted to show tomboys do NOT know how to pick clothes!! :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol: VERY 1979!

Nice find! It's elements like this that broaden the show, IMO. We not only see Blair and Cindy sniping at each other, we even see Willis reacting to Cindy's burn.

Yup we don't see him react to Blair's snipe, but we see him give props to Cindy's burn! :D

By the way, Willis does a back flip in episode 23 of DS! So we could have had Willis and Cindy do a "flip-off"! :lol: How cool that both related shows feature a back flip! :cheer:


She really does. The willowy wistfulness that Eve Brandstein noticed really came through, there. I love that line, and I love how it's delivered.

And the insecurity, that younger insecurity. Yes, her delivery and expression are Emmy-worthy there.


I see your point, but I don't see it as anything different than, for example, assuring a boy that his voice will change, or that he will grow taller: it seems very likely it will happen, to some extent.

Well, except for us boys those things definitely do happen. But not all girls will definitely get curvy.


Yes, this part is where Mrs. Garrett goes astray, but I don't believe Mrs. Garrett could tell an adolescent girl on network television that it was okay to be gay in 1979.

Right, I say "Mrs. Garrett", but of course what I'm saying in the undercurrent of that is "the writers".


I've seen some fans criticize RH as not progressive enough. These viewers just have no idea what the producers were up against.

Yeah, there was no way that was gonna happen, but it would be nice if it had gone all-inclusive and been able to.

Omg, and in "Like Mother, Like Daughter", when the girls lead Blair's mom into the common room from the end when she's carrying the covered dish with potholders wearing an apron, in a "wth??" moment, when Natalie is leading the way out front, she puts her hand to her chest, rolls her eyes, and sticks her tongue out with a gag sound. I never noticed that before either! Wth?? :lol:

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Oooh kinda like Cindy Brady did in the ep with her secret admirer, she made a face at the end cuz she thought it was a scene rehearsal still. :crazy:

And poor Cindy---I guess they wanted to show tomboys do NOT know how to pick clothes!! :lol:

Actually that looks sorta like something my mom would put me in for preschool. :brent

In February 1987, almost a decade after "Rough Housing", PBS aired the "lesbian" episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI9RNOGHqYY) of Degrassi Junior High: "Rumor Has It". In the episode, Caitlin believes her teacher Miss Avery is a lesbian, and has a series of dreams about her. At the end, just like in RH, it turns out that her teacher is not a lesbian, and Caitlin apologizes. In the original sequence, Miss Avery asks Caitlin if it would have mattered if she were a lesbian, and Caitlin shakes her head no. This final part was deemed too provocative in the US, and PBS cut the end, where Caitlin shakes her head no, instead freezing on Caitlin and making it look as though Caitlin had to pause to decide for herself. They had to pull the punch. Even PBS, the most liberal US network at the time, couldn't tell teens it was okay to be gay. Even then, there was a backlash. The episode was banned in the UK and parts of the Bible Belt (https://jontrouten.blogspot.com/2016/08/remembering-degrassi-junior-high_21.html).


Yep and they leave it ambiguous throughout the show, we never learn Miss Avery's sexuality.

Yep and they leave it ambiguous throughout the show, we never learn Miss Avery's sexuality.

Yeah, that's another good point: they just couldn't address it completely honestly. I believe, years later, they did an interview with the actress, and she said "Yes, IMO Miss Avery's a lesbian." But they couldn't say it then.

Yeah, that's another good point: they just couldn't address it completely honestly. I believe, years later, they did an interview with the actress, and she said "Yes, IMO Miss Avery's a lesbian." But they couldn't say it then.

Really? I've seen many where she said the producers told her the answer and she's taking it to the grave. :lol:

Omg, and in "Like Mother, Like Daughter", when the girls lead Blair's mom into the common room from the end when she's carrying the covered dish with potholders wearing an apron, in a "wth??" moment, when Natalie is leading the way out front, she puts her hand to her chest, rolls her eyes, and sticks her tongue out with a gag sound. I never noticed that before either! Wth?? :lol:

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That was the fashion for kids back then. Molly and Tootie wore similar outfits. And Julie Anne herself said on her Instagram post when her mother died that she was such a tomboy back when she was younger and was not into fashion and other girly girl things.

Actually that looks sorta like something my mom would put me in for preschool. :brent

:lol:

That was the fashion for kids back then. Molly and Tootie wore similar outfits.

Tootie's not, but Molly is. But Cindy's is the worst. It's those yellow suspenders that really "breaks it", lol.


And Julie Anne herself said on her Instagram post when her mother died that she was such a tomboy back when she was younger and was not into fashion and other girly girl things.

Yeah, but the girls didn't pick their clothes. The show's costumer did.

Speaking of Cindy in Rough Housing, also in 1979 Dallas did an episode where Lucy Ewing's boyfriend Kit Mainwaring (doesn't that sound like a boys name that Blair would date?), proposes to her. Later he confides in Bobby that he can't go through with the wedding because he is a homosexual. They didn't use the word gay. At the end of the episode he tells the truth Lucy who is heartbroken, but also tells her will not change and has to learn to like himself. In 1979 that was shocking to a TV audience.

Alright, I just finished season 1 again yesterday. I have new opinions after carefully watching these episodes.

First off, I include the pilot from Diff'rent Strokes as part of season 1. When I ripped the episodes from the complete box set, I have it as the first episode. Sue Ann is very ditsy in the beginning like Rose from The Golden Girls. Completely different than the last half of the first season. She doesn't realize when Blair insults her, she is clumsy with the sewing needle, and she acts silly trying to get the dress Blair throws away in the trash. In the last half, she's tougher and smarter knowing when insults come her way. I'm not sure which Sue Ann I like best but the ditsy version is funny to watch.

Blair also has different character changes. I mentioned in another thread how she plays a mean girl to a T, but around Emily Dickinson her character is more mellow and friendlier. One thing I noticed rewatching this time around how big of a role Lisa had in season 1. She was definitely a writer's favorite. Over half the season featured heavily on her character, whether it was solely based on her or her interactions with another girl as the main plot in the episodes. It's a good thing Lisa is a good actress because it was obvious that character was going to be pivotal in the whole series.

Tootie is definitely a scene-stealer character this season. Every episode she came in and just had the funniest scenes. I'm surprise Molly was intimidated by Mindy because of the girl actresses, I think Kim is the best. She just delivered everything perfectly. My favorite moments of season 1 are from Tootie. Her scene in Dope when she makes fun of the girls name is hilarious and her moment in Dieting when she imitates that weight loss commercial is the best part of that episode. I'm glad they kept Kim because she is one of my favorites from this show.

My favorite episode from season 1 is Emily Dickinson. I like how Tootie blackmails Blair. Mrs. Garrett's line when she hands Blair a tissue saying it's for her perky nose is funny as well. I think it was written really well. My least favorite should come as no surprise since it's featured on the girl I dislike the most, Molly's Holiday. Molly came off too hard in a lot of the episodes. Her acting wasn't natural with the lines she performed. It was very forced. I don't think I could have stuck with this show if they had kept her as a regular acting like that the whole way through.

Anyone else disappointed Mr. Bradley replaced The Croc? I think Croc's character would have been a better fit to bounce off of Mrs. Garrett than Bradley. And it's obvious Mahoney was only added as a potential love interest for Bradley. Thankfully that didn't pan out. You could tell from the argument and her feelings over Bradley in Rough Housing that the writers had in their minds a pair who start off hating each other and then falling for each other down the line. I'm glad she was taken off the show. I didn't like her character.

Overall season 1 isn't a top fave of mine but it does have some decent episodes. The only disappointment was not giving characters a chance to develop properly. They had 13 episodes. We could have at least gotten to know more about Nancy or Cindy like we did with Natalie in Adoption or Molly in Molly's Holiday.


I agree with you Christopher!

I also would have loved if they've kept MR CROCK: he was so hilarious on the pilot in many ways! The way he scrutinizes the girls to see who's the one smoking, and the way he interacts with MRS G brings out lots of laugh!
Nevertheless, i think she would have probably drive him crazy hee hee!:lol::lol::lol:

And yes, BLAIR was definitely the main character and the writer's favourite on season 1, which is why it came to a shock to me when the following season, JO practically stole her limelight, and BLAIR was no longer the main focus....:confused::confused::confused:

:meangya::meangya::meangya:

PS: i also was under the impression, that MR BRADLEY was a potential love interest for MISS MAHONEY (and not the other way round). You see it very clearly in the episode 'Rough housing' when the headmaster falls for BLAIR's mother ha ha!:happyface:happyface:happyface

This has probably been posted before, but here a photo from season 1 Emily Dickinson. The episode was filmed in December 1979 and aired in March 1980.
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/emily-dickinson-episode-6-aired-31480-pictured-lisa-whelchel-as-blair-picture-id140867343?s=2048x2048

Speaking of Cindy in Rough Housing, also in 1979 Dallas did an episode where Lucy Ewing's boyfriend Kit Mainwaring (doesn't that sound like a boys name that Blair would date?), proposes to her. Later he confides in Bobby that he can't go through with the wedding because he is a homosexual. They didn't use the word gay. At the end of the episode he tells the truth Lucy who is heartbroken, but also tells her will not change and has to learn to like himself. In 1979 that was shocking to a TV audience.

It's so odd, now, to remember back to when a gay character really was shocking on television, and a gay teenager who was a regular was basically impossible. My, how times have changed! :lol:

It's so odd, now, to remember back to when a gay character really was shocking on television, and a gay teenager who was a regular was basically impossible. My, how times have changed! :lol:

Yes times have changed. When you go back and watch shows like FOL or Eight Is Enough (1977-1981), some of the controversial topics seem so tame compared to today. Like on EIE, one of the Bradford girls wanting to go on the pill, or another daughter thinking of living with their boyfriend. One episode had Tom Bradford drop by his son David's apartment and his girlfriend Janet came out of the bedroom wearing David's shirt after spending the night. Tom was upset at his sons behavior. Another episode had Tommy Bradford's classmates becomes pregnant by her boyfriend who wants her to abort. Tommy offered to marry her to give the baby a name. She declines in the end and is sent to a school for unwed mothers. Today we have shows like Teen Mom and 16 and Pregnant that are the norm.

So I watched "Rough Housing" last night in honor of its 41st anniversary. One thing that's always struck me as odd and off balance in a line here is when Mr. Bradley scandalously changes the curfew for the Harvest Fair (gasp!). He changes it from Eastland's traditional 10:00 to 11:30---11:30! An hour and a half! And then in such small increments after that to 11:40 and 11:50.

That just doesn't feel right to me. I think it would be more realistic if he changed it first to 10:30 or maybe 11:00, an hour later, but going from 10:00 to 11:30 just seems radical for a new headmaster of a girls' school to do. I guess because we know how Mr. Bradley is developed soon after this episode and how overprotective of campus rules and a stickler for boundaries he quickly becomes.

Also, I realized "cinch" is spoken twice in season 1! It's famous among Lost Girls fans for being spoken by Cindy in "Running" ("Once she showed me how to pace myself, it was a cinch!"), but another Lost Girl says it in "Rough Housing"! When Cindy confides in best friend Sue Ann that she doesn't know what to do at a dance, Sue Ann reassures her by saying, "That's a cinch. Act flattered when the nerd asks you to dance."

So I watched "Rough Housing" last night in honor of its 41st anniversary. One thing that's always struck me as odd and off balance in a line here is when Mr. Bradley scandalously changes the curfew for the Harvest Fair (gasp!). He changes it from Eastland's traditional 10:00 to 11:30---11:30! An hour and a half! And then in such small increments after that to 11:40 and 11:50.

That just doesn't feel right to me. I think it would be more realistic if he changed it first to 10:30 or maybe 11:00, an hour later, but going from 10:00 to 11:30 just seems radical for a new headmaster of a girls' school to do. I guess because we know how Mr. Bradley is developed soon after this episode and how overprotective of campus rules and a stickler for boundaries he quickly becomes.

Also, I realized "cinch" is spoken twice in season 1! It's famous among Lost Girls fans for being spoken by Cindy in "Running" ("Once she showed me how to pace myself, it was a cinch!"), but another Lost Girl says it in "Rough Housing"! When Cindy confides in best friend Sue Ann that she doesn't know what to do at a dance, Sue Ann reassures her by saying, "That's a cinch. Act flattered when the nerd asks you to dance."

I think they did keep Mr. Bradley's undetermined the authority of those under him consistent in the series. First it was Miss Mahoney and then it was Mrs. Garrett after Miss Mahoney went off to open up a rabbit farm.

I think they did keep Mr. Bradley's undetermined the authority of those under him consistent in the series. First it was Miss Mahoney and then it was Mrs. Garrett after Miss Mahoney went off to open up a rabbit farm.

Yeah, but jumping to 90 minutes right away just seems a bit much to believe.

It's so odd, now, to remember back to when a gay character really was shocking on television, and a gay teenager who was a regular was basically impossible. My, how times have changed! :lol:

Since Molly looked a lot like a boy then, they could have created an episode where she would be questioning her gender today. I am certain Molly Ringwald would have embraced such a role.

Since Molly looked a lot like a boy then, they could have created an episode where she would be questioning her gender today. I am certain Molly Ringwald would have embraced such a role.

Sure, she probably would now, but when she was 12, who knows?

We had a gay character (Jodie on Soap) and a character who pretended to be gay and lots of innuendo (Jack Tripper on Three's Company), but I don't think the networks and America would be ready for a gay 14 year old girl (the age of both the character and the actress).

In the recent Reelz documentary, Julie Ann Haddock did say she was open for her character to be that way if they wanted it.

When Cindy confides in best friend Sue Ann that she doesn't know what to do at a dance, Sue Ann reassures her by saying, "That's a cinch. Act flattered when the nerd asks you to dance."

Cinch buddies forever! :clap:

Cinch buddies forever! :clap:

HAHAHAHA!! :rofl:

That's right, the two blond besties both said "cinch"! The only characters in the entire series to ever say it!*

The "Cinch Sisters"! Cinchy and Cinch Ann! :brent

*(as far as I know, lol)

The "Cinch Sisters"! Cinchy and Cinch Ann! :brent

*(as far as I know, lol)

:lol:

Yeah, the "cinch" thing is interesting. Cinchy and Cinch Ann became Cinch Sisters! :lol:

Hey guys, there's this great show called The Facts of Life! And I've started watching it! :lol:



Cindy interacts with both Willis and Arnold. This puts Cindy in an exclusive club: thanks to"The Slumber Party" and "Bought and Sold", the only girls to interact with all three Drummond children, Kimberly, Willis, and Arnold Jackson are Blair, Cindy, Natalie, Molly, and Tootie (unless you want to count Sue Ann acknowledging Mrs. Garrett in "The Girls' School" when Kimberly introduces the girls, though not's them speaking directly...but if you do want to count that, then that leaves Nancy as the only girl who did not interact with all three Drummond children, and she will go put a flower in her hair...again).



It's neat how Miss Mahoney speaks maternally to Natalie, then branches out to include all the girls (don't count on that to last long with Garrett around, Mahoney---I guess that's why she did it while Mrs. Garrett was out of the room, haha).

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Interesting that the above two situations involved two behind the scenes situations that we have found only fairly recently.

1. Nancy O. did interact with Arnold when she came up to him and said "Arnold, you are so darling." Nancy O. never interacted with Kimberly even though Kimberly called Nancy her friend in the "Girls School" episode, but the two never interacted. I wonder if this was from the bitterness Felice had for not getting the Kimberly role.

2. Jenny O'Hara did want to have Miss Mahoney to have a more motherly role. Of course, that didn't last very long and didn't go over very well with Charlotte.

It's "The Facts of Life", with a first retooling! Farewell Miss Mahoney, and hello exterior establishing shots and light musical interludes.

"Overachieving"

Did you notice that all the girls EXCEPT Nancy are in the first scene of this episode? Well, you will!

(a personal theory I've been working on...Felice got through RH alright: "Okay, they've established the tomboy character, and her conflict with Blair"...then she makes it through LMLD, but: "Wow, they're really playing up Blair on here...a LOT"...then TRoMG, she panics: "Blair and Sue Ann are the only older girls talking with Mrs. Garrett! I'm stuck with the younger girls, and I'm not even getting as many lines! What's going on??" and she runs off to the producers with her famous, "What's happened to my character?!", so they pacify her by giving her a co-starring role in "I.Q.", then for spring 1980, they tell the writers, "She's given us problems. Fine, you can give her a boyfriend on the phone, for some scenes but that's it. Keep writing for Blair, Tootie, and Sue Ann."

Also, something saddens me here...we have Blair and Sue Ann paired up, we have Nat 'n Toot paired up, and we have Cindy and Molly paired up---but they don't get any interacting lines! Molly gets some nice dialogue with Mrs. Garrett when she comes in, but Cindy, who has been sitting in the fireplace armchair for the entire scene so far and continues to do so until they exit, gets NOTHING but "Hi", when they're introduced to Tootie's dad. Why have her in that whole scene with nothing to say? Just to show the "realism" of a dorm where several girls are living, some hanging out downstairs? She's even playing with/examining her baseball glove. It'd be nice if they had Molly ask her about it while they're hanging out together on the chair. Alas...[sigh]...

Okay, now time for me to eat crow: :eat: :facepalm:

I hereby publicly apologize to RetroGuy2000. Retry, you were right, Mr. Ramsey DID have the nickname "Rifle Ramsey"---as an athlete back in his school days. I only remembered "Buffalo Ramsey" since that's his secret that Tootie blabbed about his boyhood daydream, lol. They even say "Rifle Ramsey" twice ("I'm gonna show 'Rifle Ramsey' some 'Garrett Gunpowder'!")

Another sad Cindy note here: Cindy is the only one of the seven girls whose career ambition we don't learn. :( (isn't that Nancy's role?) That saddens me.

Then Career Day talks...look at how many girls are there! Are these fellow dorm-dwellers who also reside in this hallowed dorm? Perhaps some from "The Girls' School" on DS??

Another note of geeky interest: This episode makes Mr. Ramsey the only core character parent to say a girl's name other than the eventual main four! After Molly presents him with Tootie's report card, he says, "Thank you, Molly". Wow! How cool!

Also--who are these women at Career Day to give talks? We're never told! (not counting Natalie's sister, who's on the couch) There are two women sitting in chairs beside the couch (shown below). I never really noticed them until this viewing!

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One question about these series of photos, was Mindy falling asleep during the taping of this scene?

Interesting that the above two situations involved two behind the scenes situations that we have found only fairly recently.

1. Nancy O. did interact with Arnold when she came up to him and said "Arnold, you are so darling." Nancy O. never interacted with Kimberly even though Kimberly called Nancy her friend in the "Girls School" episode, but the two never interacted. I wonder if this was from the bitterness Felice had for not getting the Kimberly role.

2. Jenny O'Hara did want to have Miss Mahoney to have a more motherly role. Of course, that didn't last very long and didn't go over very well with Charlotte.

Oh wow, that's amazing to me that I pointed that out about Miss Mahoney before the Reelz documentary was even a glimmer of thought, lol...wow!

And regarding Nancy, I meant the girls interacting with all 3 Drummond children, which she did not do, and neither did Sue Ann.

Oh wow, that's amazing to me that I pointed that out about Miss Mahoney before the Reelz documentary was even a glimmer of thought, lol...wow!

And regarding Nancy, I meant the girls interacting with all 3 Drummond children, which she did not do, and neither did Sue Ann.

Sometimes the behind the scenes stuff impacts what we see in the scenes.

Jo didn't interact with all 3 Drummond children either, even though Nancy McKeon did costar with Dana Plato in a TV movie.

Hey, guys. I finally had the chance to watch the entirety of The Facts of Life's first season by way of the Roku Channel this month. Anyone want to ask me what my thoughts of it were? :wave:

Hey, guys. I finally had the chance to watch the entirety of The Facts of Life's first season by way of the Roku Channel this month. Anyone want to ask me what my thoughts of it were? :wave:

Sure do! :wave:

Hey, guys. I finally had the chance to watch the entirety of The Facts of Life's first season by way of the Roku Channel this month. Anyone want to ask me what my thoughts of it were? :wave:

Sure, go ahead.

Hey, guys. I finally had the chance to watch the entirety of The Facts of Life's first season by way of the Roku Channel this month. Anyone want to ask me what my thoughts of it were? :wave:
Heck yeah we do! :D

Sometimes the behind the scenes stuff impacts what we see in the scenes.

Jo didn't interact with all 3 Drummond children either, even though Nancy McKeon did costar with Dana Plato in a TV movie.

Although Jenny O'Hara did not want Miss Mahoney to have a motherly role; she stated in the Reelz doc that any nurturing of the girls should be done by Charlotte.

And yeah, I didn't include Jo in my original list because she didn't interact with Kimberly. :)

Hey, guys. I finally had the chance to watch the entirety of The Facts of Life's first season by way of the Roku Channel this month. Anyone want to ask me what my thoughts of it were? :wave:

Yes! What are your thoughts? And had you ever seen any of season 1 before you saw the cafeteria years before?