I've always found this show to be fun and light.

I wish MeTV would air it. It ran for 5 seasons and Marlo Thomas is still a popular name. I wonder why this isn't in reruns.

MeTV had it a couple of times. It must not have fared well.

I agree, though, it's a fun, funny show.

MeTV lost the rights.

I would like to see it on somewhere. Hearing her voice on the St. Jude commercials makes me appreciate her even more.

All 5 seasons are on Hulu.

I still can't believe that in 2018 people are still acting helpless to see their favorite shows unless it's thru the good grace of a TV station. Anyone ever hear of DVDs? This show has been beautifully restored and can be bought by any of you who only choose to wish and say woe is me about not seeing That Girl when all you have to do is BUY THE DVDs!:rolleyes:

I like this show too, a lot, and I just got thru watching the entire series THANKS TO MY DVDs. You too can take control over your life in the same way. Holy Moly.

Also, unless they're out of print, all five seasons were released on DVD, with commentaries. They're early Shout releases, and IIRC all seasons have lip sync problems here and there, at least on my copies.

Ha! Identical thoughts!!

^I own the DVDs and would still like for it to be on tv. It's more convenient on tv.

Why would it be more convenient on TV? It would seem to me that having the DVD's means you have the luxury to watch them any time you like and don't need to wait for TV airings, can't be more convenient than that.

I didn't have any lip sync problems in the DVDs, none. The picture was perfect and the sound was perfect on all of them. The only BIG problem with the DVD releases is the HORRIBLE, AWFUL, Wholy useless, total waste of time that the so-called Marlo Thomas commentaries are. A typical Marlo commentary goes like this, long stretches of silence interrupted with a titter here and there and a comment like, "oh, that was funny" or "who's that actor?" or "I haven't seen this show in 30 years" or "what's this show about? I don't remember it." She obviously never watched the episode before she decided to sit and watch the show in mostly silence as we watch the show too. Really awful and the exact opposite of what commentary is SUPPOSED to be. She could have talked about the actors in the show, their personalities, the filming of particular scenes, how she got along with various actors, even brief bios of some of the classic character actors that appear in the show. Instead we get silence and "who's that actor?":mad:

I didn't have any lip sync problems in the DVDs, none. The picture was perfect and the sound was perfect on all of them. The only BIG problem with the DVD releases is the HORRIBLE, AWFUL, Wholy useless, total waste of time that the so-called Marlo Thomas commentaries are. A typical Marlo commentary goes like this, long stretches of silence interrupted with a titter here and there and a comment like, "oh, that was funny" or "who's that actor?" or "I haven't seen this show in 30 years" or "what's this show about? I don't remember it." She obviously never watched the episode before she decided to sit and watch the show in mostly silence as we watch the show too. Really awful and the exact opposite of what commentary is SUPPOSED to be. She could have talked about the actors in the show, their personalities, the filming of particular scenes, how she got along with various actors, even brief bios of some of the classic character actors that appear in the show. Instead we get silence and "who's that actor?":mad:

I haven't listened to the commentaries, but she should have done a better job than that.

Does anyone know if some DVD episodes of That Girl are edited? I ask this because the episode run times are all over the place, most are over 25 minutes but some are under 25 minutes, a few are even under 24 minutes, like 23:30 or so, so the big question is, are some of these shorter episodes edited?

Yeah, on the commentaries she's talking to her producer or whoever he is. They're a couple of snobs. The commentaries on most DVDs are a big bore. Once in awhile you get someone who goes into detail about the production, and it's interesting. But for the most part, thank goodness they're optional!

The most ridiculous comments are the ones about not having seen this episode in x number of years. If I'm starring in a show, I'm gonna stay pretty familiar with it!

I've read reviews of the TG DVD sets, and I've never read about any edited episodes. Watching them, they don't appear to be edited.

A little off topic: re the comment (#4) on St. Jude: I haven't seen or heard her on a St. Jude ad in a long time.

I think what St. Jude does is great, but I am SICK of their stupid TV ads. They make a big deal of not asking the parents for any money. Oh, right, just make those horrible ads and beg for $19 a month on Antenna TV. I have to mute those and all the other ones begging for money.

If the episodes aren't edited, maybe some of the shorter ones are time compressed versions, that might be an explanation. Take season 5 for example, most episodes are over 25 minutes but there are two that run about 24:10, and another one that runs only about 23:55.

Except for season 1, the DVD reviews of each season here on Sitcoms Online have the run times of each episode.

Why would it be more convenient on TV? It would seem to me that having the DVD's means you have the luxury to watch them any time you like and don't need to wait for TV airings, can't be more convenient than that.

Already having the tv on, it's easy to just flip the channel than to put a DVD in.

Yeah, easier provided you just happen to have the TV on at 5 am or whatever god awful time ME TV usually puts on their best shows. Now if you want to watch endless MUSH and Hogan's Heroes episodes forever more then you should be thrilled with live ME TV viewing, I can't stand it and NEVER watch my classic TV live, first of all, they're NEVER on when I want to watch and second I can either fast forward thru the endless assault on good taste that are "ads" (begging sessions) today or even better with That Girl DVDs there are NO ads and all shows are UNCUT and untouched by human or non-human TV station hands who decide what you will watch and when you can watch it. This is not my idea of an easier choice, this ain't a choice at all, it's obviously easier to just slip in a DVD and enjoy your TV viewing, what you want and when you want it. Could anything be easier?:D

I remain skeptical that some DVD episodes of That Girl might be edited or time compressed versions, but it is what it is, can't do anything about it anyway, overall the DVD sets are still excellent and it's great to have them because the series doesn't get much exposure on TV anymore.

Already having the tv on, it's easy to just flip the channel than to put a DVD in.

In the case of That Girl, I think you're better off just watching the DVD's because the episodes don't get run much on TV anymore and it might be a long wait until one of the retro channels airs them again. I have DVD's of most of my favorite shows and don't have to rely too much on the retro channels.

One thing I find annoying about That Girl is Marlo Thomas voice sometimes cracks when she speaks her lines. Watch an episode and try to count how many times her voice cracks during the episode. :crazy: :lol:

Having heard some of the commentaries, I think I'd rather hear Ann Marie than Marlo.

Here's something interesting I discovered, I just checked all 24 That Girl episodes on the season 5 DVD, and 23 of them have four parts including a tag scene at the end. There is 1 episode, "Super Reporter", that has only three parts and no tag scene. This episode also happens to be the shortest one in the season 5 DVD set, running only 23:55. So this leads me to believe that the episode likely has a tag scene but for whatever reason Shout Factory didn't include it on the DVD. If there is indeed a tag scene for this episode, maybe it contains some music that couldn't be cleared, that's the only reason I can think of why the scene would be edited out.

And to make it more interesting, Amazon has the That Girl episodes for on line viewing at $1.99 each. I checked the list of season 5 episodes, and for the "Super Reporter" episode, Amazon shows a running time of 26 minutes. So now I'm tempted to pay the $1.99 to view the episode and see if there is a tag scene at the end. :lol:

The 26 minute time is interesting. Maybe they included the banner at the beginning, That Girl in color. But 26 minutes is a pretty long running time.

23:55 isn't syndication length. It's possibly just an error and Shout forgot to include the tag scene.

If "Super Reporter" does indeed have a tag scene, the run time might be more like 25:40 or 25:45, not 26 minutes. If the "That Girl in color" banner would be included, it might be about 26 minutes.

The season 1 and 2 DVD's of The Brady Bunch from Paramount Studios have "The Brady Bunch in color" banners at the start of the episodes. It was cool they included those.

The season 2 DVD of That Girl has an episode that runs 24:15, and season 4 has one that runs 23:35, but I don't know if any scenes were cut from those episodes.

Checked on HULU and yes, there is a tag scene.

Donald sneaks up to Ann's door and starts taking his clothes off [yes, you heard that correctly] and under his clothes he has on a "Superman" like costume with a "D" on the chest. He doesn't realize that Ann is behind him as he knocks on her door. Finally she scares him and then he attempts to carry her across the threshold, but nearly drops her. They begin to go into her apartment as she makes some comment about Superman and Wonder Woman.

Checked on HULU and yes, there is a tag scene.

Donald sneaks up to Ann's door and starts taking his clothes off [yes, you heard that correctly] and under his clothes he has on a "Superman" like costume with a "D" on the chest. He doesn't realize that Ann is behind him as he knocks on her door. Finally she scares him and then he attempts to carry her across the threshold, but nearly drops her. They begin to go into her apartment as she makes some comment about Superman and Wonder Woman.

So "Super Reporter" really does have a tag scene? Thanks for sharing this information. Shame on Shout Factory for deleting this scene from the DVD, maybe the scene was considered too racy so they deleted it? :crazy: :rolleyes:

The 23:55 running time on the DVD has always bothered me, I've suspected that the episode is edited.

I think it's a flat out mistake. They should have remastered and corrected it.

Shout never corrects anything. Look at the mess they made of the first season of Father Knows Best, and the first season of Rhoda.

Shout did make a correction with Mister Ed. When the 1st season was initially released it had several edited episodes. But later when the complete series was released, the 1st season was corrected and has all uncut episodes.

With the 1st season of Father Knows Best, I imagine it might be possible that edited/syndicated versions of some episodes could be all that's available.

With Rhoda's 1st season, I would think that uncut versions of all the episodes are likely available and Shout just dropped the ball with that 1st season release.

So "Super Reporter" really does have a tag scene? Thanks for sharing this information. Shame on Shout Factory for deleting this scene from the DVD, maybe the scene was considered too racy so they deleted it? :crazy: :rolleyes:

The 23:55 running time on the DVD has always bothered me, I've suspected that the episode is edited.

Maybe CBS (the distributors) at the time (I'm guessing Shout! released it long before Hulu or Amazon Instant Video got it) hadn't restored/didn't have any knowledge of the tag scene and therefore couldn't provide the masters to them? Unless an episode of a series like this is 22:30 or less, I never suspect it's edited because it could've ran short for one reason or another and that's the reason I always give. If it's a few episodes or a handful of episodes, then aside from the one we've already confirmed as missing its tag scene, they probably just ran short originally.

Shout did make a correction with Mister Ed. When the 1st season was initially released it had several edited episodes. But later when the complete series was released, the 1st season was corrected and has all uncut episodes.

With the 1st season of Father Knows Best, I imagine it might be possible that edited/syndicated versions of some episodes could be all that's available.

With Rhoda's 1st season, I would think that uncut versions of all the episodes are likely available and Shout just dropped the ball with that 1st season release.

I'm with you on Rhoda Season 1. That needs to be reissued, seeing as how Comedy Gold in Canada and Me-TV here in the US had access to the full length episodes from 20th Fox. Maybe Shout!'s working on a remastered-Season 1 release of Rhoda or something. You never know. And knowing Sony and Father Knows Best, I wouldn't be surprised if for those episodes the syndicated episodes are all they could find, Sony doesn't appear to have a good track record for full length episodes of shows like that. That, or the full length masters were horribly damaged. Maybe for that one they couldn't go back and re-issue it.

Maybe CBS (the distributors) at the time (I'm guessing Shout! released it long before Hulu or Amazon Instant Video got it) hadn't restored/didn't have any knowledge of the tag scene and therefore couldn't provide the masters to them? Unless an episode of a series like this is 22:30 or less, I never suspect it's edited because it could've ran short for one reason or another and that's the reason I always give. If it's a few episodes or a handful of episodes, then aside from the one we've already confirmed as missing its tag scene, they probably just ran short originally.

With TV shows that are released on DVD, when an episode runs a little shorter than normal, either the episode is edited, or it's complete and time compressed, or it's complete and the script just ran a little short. I am automatically skeptical whenever I see a shorter than usual run time and suspect the episode might be edited.

With TV shows that are released on DVD, when an episode runs a little shorter than normal, either the episode is edited, or it's complete and time compressed, or it's complete and the script just ran a little short. I am automatically skeptical whenever I see a shorter than usual run time and suspect the episode might be edited.

I get that, and I don't have the That Girl DVDs, so I cannot confirm nor deny whether the episodes ran short, are edited or unedited and time compressed. However, I can say that the others besides "Super Reporter", at least in my opinion, are probably the uncut versions that ran a little short because of something going on the network (ABC, I think?) and they needed more time for that and thus resulted in a shorter episode. Just speculation on my part, however. I guess I'm not as much of a skeptic as you are about these things, unless they were 22:30 or less. Then I would get worried. But around 24:00 or 24:30-24:45 doesn't really worry me all that much.

I'm with you on Rhoda Season 1. That needs to be reissued, seeing as how Comedy Gold in Canada and Me-TV here in the US had access to the full length episodes from 20th Fox. Maybe Shout!'s working on a remastered-Season 1 release of Rhoda or something. You never know. And knowing Sony and Father Knows Best, I wouldn't be surprised if for those episodes the syndicated episodes are all they could find, Sony doesn't appear to have a good track record for full length episodes of shows like that. That, or the full length masters were horribly damaged. Maybe for that one they couldn't go back and re-issue it.

Father Knows Best season 1 goes back to 1954, so I can understand if original uncut versions of all those episodes aren't available anymore. That being said, it's interesting that with season 2 and forward Shout was able to get the uncut episodes.

Rhoda season 1 definitely needs to be re-done and reissued with all uncut episodes. I haven't bought any seasons of Rhoda yet on DVD, I'm mostly interested in seasons 1 and 2 only anyway. If season 1 would get reissued with the uncut episodes, I'd probably buy seasons 1 and 2.

Shout could have done better on FKB S1, since I know the TV Land Christmas episode had scenes the Shout episode didn't have. Since TV Land showed much of Season 1, I'd have to guess that's the case with the other edited episodes, also.

The Rhoda thing was a mess. The very first scene of episode 1, with Mary and Rhoda, was edited out on the DVD set. I guess the syndication episodes were subsequently corrected to be complete, since Comedy Gold has shown the season unedited, and the missing scene was restored on subsequent MeTV showings.

Maybe if either show is released as the entire series (more likely with Rhoda), the first season of both will be corrected.

I bought Season 1 of Rhoda from Ioffer, with the Comedy Gold unedited episodes. Extremely low audio, very disappointing.

If they were to release TG as a series, maybe they could restore that missing tag scene. In another post I mentioned it might have been a mistake. But it may have been located by now, and was missing then.

I agree with Sven--episodes on the 22 minute range are definitely syndication edited. Those are the major goofs when they make it to DVD.

Errors on DVD sets--that's why I hate those copy-protects on Commercial DVD sets. If that wasn't there, I could produce a better episode with my DVD recorder, provided I had a copy of the episode from another source, with the missing scene or scenes.

On the 4th season DVD of Rhoda, the last episode on disc 4 runs about 15 seconds short, and yes it's edited, that's why I'm always skeptical about shorter run times, even if it's just a few seconds. 15 seconds isn't much but it's still an edit.

And on the Gomer Pyle DVD's, CBS edited several episodes because of music, resulting in shorter run times for some episodes in the 23-24 minute range. So while 22:30 might be the red flag of an edited/syndicated version, episodes in the 23 and 24 minute range are sometimes edited too. Not always, but sometimes.

If That Girl would get reissued on DVD as a complete series, and the Super Reporter episode was corrected to include the tag scene, I don't know if I would buy the whole series again just for that one episode, probably not, most likely if the series started running on TV again I'd try to record the episode from TV and hope it includes the tag scene.

What Shout Factory should do is make a new season 5 disc 2, correct the error with the Super Reporter episode to include the tag scene and make the disc available to those who've purchased season 5.

Gomer Pyle is a mess on DVD--that's why I didn't buy that set. I'm saving the MeTV episodes--those are also edited, but they didn't cut the music.

MeTV is running My Three Sons S1 from commercial DVD, which may be their only good-quality alternative. That season (and 2) has music edits, but the music cues on the original episodes were supposedly very hard to license. I can't believe CBS didn't produce TV prints with original music when they remastered those seasons. CBS claims those seasons (1-5 and 11-12) aren't syndicated ("have no dubbing inventory"), but the fact is they are being aired on MeTV.

I agree on TG--I have all seasons also. If they ever released the whole series with that correction, I'd probably call them and ask for a replacement disc.

I don't like the music edits on the Gomer Pyle DVD's but it is what it is, cheapskates at CBS had to mess with several episodes that contain music. The MeTV airings might have the music scenes but other scenes are edited so I decided not to record them and just stay with the DVD's.

One thing I like on an S5 episode of Gomer, is him singing Blowing in the Wind, with Rob Reiner and the other hippies. Did the DVD set cut that?

One thing I like on an S5 episode of Gomer, is him singing Blowing in the Wind, with Rob Reiner and the other hippies. Did the DVD set cut that?

I think you're referring to the "Flower Power" episode, it runs 24:55 on the DVD so yes something is probably cut from it but I don't know if it's the song you mentioned. I'll check the episode later and see if CBS left in the part where they are singing Blowing In The Wind.

OK I just checked the episode and surprisingly CBS left in the part where Gomer and the three hippies are singing Blowing In The Wind. So either the 24:55 run time is correct or there's another music scene in the episode that CBS removed.

That is very surprising. They actually PAID to have that. I think that's the only song in the episode.

OK, I did some checking on Super Reporter. First, I do agree with previous posts about not thinking the episode is edited if it's 24" or 23.50". I would think it was edited though if it were 22".

OK, now I checked on my original recording from 1992 of That Girl when it ran on WOR's old "Superstation", now the good thing about the WOR showings most of the time they were uncut, for instance 25" Beaver's, though some Hazel's were edited BUT the That Girl's (esp. when I compared it to late '80's USA's showings of That Girl which were edited) the WOR versions were generally a total of 25", including the end theme.

{The reason (you can skip to the next paragraph if this is too much detail) for this is when WOR was a Superstation it broadcast it's daily programming to New York, including then newly syndicated recent network reruns. BUT those new reruns were also syndicated thru-out the country to run on local TV stations all over the country. This caused a problem and WOR's solution was to show the new rerun shows ONLY in New York, and to the rest of the country's cable stations that carried WOR "Superstation" they ran vintage old reruns of older TV shows in place of the newly syndicated new to rerun shows. For instance, I can remember seeing the first couple seconds of T.J. Hooker or Miami Vice just before WOR Superstatioin version would quickly switch over and then start running "Please Don't Eat The Daisies" reruns instead and that would lead to Hazel and Courtship of Eddie's Father and to That Girl. Old reruns were shown only on the Superstation while local N.Y. WOR saw the new show reruns.)

Now I just checked my WOR old recording and it ran 25" including the end theme, it DID NOT have the tag scene described previously here though. Maybe I should look for my old USA recording and check but if the WOR version at 25" total didn't have it, I doubt the USA version will. And at 25" on WOR, I kind of wonder, where did this extra end scene come from? Was the show re-edited for syndication with the tag scene cut but another scene added to the show for syndication? I've heard of this being done before, where the syndicated version is slightly different from the original network broadcast. Who knows what happened (probably someone behind the scenes at That Girl who's still alive does, I wouldn't bother asking Marlo as she can't remember anything other than some of the dresses she wore in the series, judging from her commentaries). A strange discovery here though, good job.;)

OK now I'm way off topic here and I apologize (other besides HA, please skip), but HA--please check this as it has driven me CRAZY. You mentioned Beaver running 25 min. on WOR. Wondering if you have #91 June's Birthday from season 3. Reason: I think the DVD set has an edit of a scene that was once aired in syndication. There is a scene about halfway through the episode where Miss Landers is talking to the class. Judy says Larry was making noises during the song they were singing, and he says it was his oinks. Miss Landers says see that it was. In the old syndication version I remember Miss Landers goes into some detail about the class going to the lady's house to sing their song. On the DVD and in syndication for several years, that's cut out, and after she responds to Larry, she says, We'll meet in the cafeteria.

If you have an "old" WOR copy of the episode, does this confirm this? If it does, I'd like to do some kind of trade with you, which we can maybe discuss on a PM. Thanks, Steve

All right, you've given me a homework assignment and I just completed it. I checked out my DVD that I made out of my WOR '92 tape recording, here's what happens right after Miss Landers listens (in the classroom) to the kids singing Old McDonald's Farm and Judy tells on Larry then:

After Larry’s “Those were my oinks”
Miss Landers says, “Well, you just make sure they are.”
Larry: Yes, Miss Landers”
Miss L: Now class remember we’ll all assemble in the playground right after lunch.
Whitey: Do we come back from Mrs. Harrison’s or do our mothers get to keep us?
Miss L: No, the bus will bring us back here.
Whitey: Yes, Miss Landers.
Miss L: Well, there are a few minutes till lunchtime, but I think we can go to the cafeteria now.
Class: Yes, Miss Landers.
Miss L: Allright, class dismissed.
Then Beaver and Larry meet in the class doorway and Beaver tell Larry his mother will be there with her new blouse. Larry says “That’s swell” Beaver asks if Larry’s mother will be there,
Larry says, “She says she will if she gets over her sick headache.”
Beaver: Gee how’d she get a headache?
Larry: It’s from yelling at my sister.
Beaver: What was she yelling at her about?
Larry: I don’t know if it’s not me, I don’t listen.
Scene then fades to the house of Mrs. Harrison and the other mothers who are all there.
Now this is what happens in my WOR recording, I have not had a chance to compare this with what the commercial DVD shows, is it the same or different? I don't know, I just know this is exactly what happens on the WOR show from '92.

(Off topic again--please skip!) OK if this was internet TV, I'd say, Watch Steve clean the egg off his face. Either I'm nuts, or this goes even further back. I started to tape LITB from WHMB (locally), probably also in the 90s, but I gave up after the first season. Too msny tapes! I apologize for putting you through that trouble!!

Anyway, I guess I'm nuts! (In case my drivel isn't clear, don't bother to compare it to the DVD, and I'm glad you didn't, 'cause it's the same).

Here's an offer to make up for this: when MeTV aired M3S S11 and 12, I used the DVD recorder and edited some of the episodes, using TV Land and MeTV/Odyssey and MeTV to put together more-complete episodes. They came out pretty good. PM me if you'd like me to mail you a copy of one of those. Most came out in the high 23 or 24 minute range.

That is very surprising. They actually PAID to have that. I think that's the only song in the episode.

The Gomer Pyle DVD's are strange. Some music scenes were left intact while others were edited out. What was left in and what was edited out probably depended on the cost. Maybe "Blowing In The Wind" wasn't too expensive so CBS left the scene in.

I do agree with previous posts about not thinking the episode is edited if it's 24" or 23.50".

Not me, 22:00 or 22:30 is edited/syndicated but I have also discovered episodes in the 23 and 24 minute range that are edited. Even some episodes that are just a few seconds shorter than usual are sometimes edited. That's why I'm always skeptical whenever I see a shorter than usual run time, even if it's just a few seconds. Doesn't always mean that the episode is edited but sometimes it is.

A good example of this is the season 3 DVD of I Dream Of Jeannie from Sony. Take a look at the episode "Meet My Masters Mother". It runs 25:05 on the DVD but yes there is a sneaky little edit, it's only about a 10 second edit but it's still an edit, the part where Jeannie bangs on a drum as she tries to wake Tony's mom is what's missing.

The full scene goes like this, first Jeannie sounds a trumpet, then she bangs on a drum, then she crashes symbols, and lastly she sets off a cannon. For whatever reason Sony cut out the drum part. They didn't even do a perfect job editing that part out because after she sounds the trumpet you can see her for a split second setting down the drumsticks before she crashes the symbols.

Not me, 22:00 or 22:30 is edited/syndicated but I have also discovered episodes in the 23 and 24 minute range that are edited. Even some episodes that are just a few seconds shorter than usual are sometimes edited. That's why I'm always skeptical whenever I see a shorter than usual run time, even if it's just a few seconds. Doesn't always mean that the episode is edited but sometimes it is.

A good example of this is the season 3 DVD of I Dream Of Jeannie from Sony. Take a look at the episode "Meet My Masters Mother". It runs 25:05 on the DVD but yes there is a sneaky little edit, it's only about a 10 second edit but it's still an edit, the part where Jeannie bangs on a drum as she tries to wake Tony's mom is what's missing.

The full scene goes like this, first Jeannie sounds a trumpet, then she bangs on a drum, then she crashes symbols, and lastly she sets off a cannon. For whatever reason Sony cut out the drum part. They didn't even do a perfect job editing that part out because after she sounds the trumpet you can see her for a split second setting down the drumsticks before she crashes the symbols.

Well, those edits are done 99.99% of the time because of inability to clear music. IDOJ obviously not, but Gomer Pyle and others, that's clearly the case. Or the uncut prints were damaged beyond belief and they salvaged what they could. For Shout! Factory though, they are a company that can only work with what they are given directly from the distributor. But, unlike you, I'm not really skeptical about episodes that are 23:50 long or 24:00 long unless I know they have edits because of music clearance issues. Otherwise, I just assume they ran short originally. If you can provide me with proof otherwise (besides IDOJ), I'd love to hear it.:wave:

The IDOJ edit is a shame--that's really a funny scene (it's generally one of the better episodes, IMO). I think that scene is fine in syndication.

BTW, HA's post above proves it out, IMO, on the TG episode: Shout had syndication videotapes (which many times are the complete episode) when they put together the DVDs, and this particular one was missing the tag scene. It was probably subsequently restored using the original 35 mm film.

BTW, HA's post above proves it out, IMO, on the TG episode: Shout had syndication videotapes (which many times are the complete episode) when they put together the DVDs, and this particular one was missing the tag scene. It was probably subsequently restored using the original 35 mm film.

That's probably as good an explanation as any, when Shout Factory worked on the season 5 DVD of That Girl maybe they were given a print of "Super Reporter" which has the tag scene missing. That's too bad but it is what it is, with the 23:55 run time I was always skeptical the episode is edited and it turns out I was right. :)

Well, those edits are done 99.99% of the time because of inability to clear music. IDOJ obviously not, but Gomer Pyle and others, that's clearly the case. Or the uncut prints were damaged beyond belief and they salvaged what they could. For Shout! Factory though, they are a company that can only work with what they are given directly from the distributor. But, unlike you, I'm not really skeptical about episodes that are 23:50 long or 24:00 long unless I know they have edits because of music clearance issues. Otherwise, I just assume they ran short originally. If you can provide me with proof otherwise (besides IDOJ), I'd love to hear it.:wave:

I mentioned the Gomer Pyle DVD's, some episodes in the 23 and 24 minute range because of music edits.

I mentioned the I Dream Of Jeannie episode Meet My Masters Mother, running 25:05 on the DVD but having that small edit.

I mentioned the Rhoda episode, last episode of season 4, running about 24:45 on the DVD and a few seconds is missing from that episode too.

And of course the Super Reporter episode of That Girl, running 23:55 on the DVD, now known to be edited and missing the tag scene.

So I've already made my point, no further proof needed, episodes in the 23 and 24 minute range, even those with run times just a few seconds shorter than usual, are sometimes edited so there is good reason to be skeptical of those shorter run times. :wave:

Off-topic again, but do you know what is edited out on the S4 Rhoda 24:45 episode?

I mentioned the Gomer Pyle DVD's, some episodes in the 23 and 24 minute range because of music edits.

I mentioned the I Dream Of Jeannie episode Meet My Masters Mother, running 25:05 on the DVD but having that small edit.

I mentioned the Rhoda episode, last episode of season 4, running about 24:45 on the DVD and a few seconds is missing from that episode too.

And of course the Super Reporter episode of That Girl, running 23:55 on the DVD, now known to be edited and missing the tag scene.

So I've already made my point, no further proof needed, episodes in the 23 and 24 minute range, even those with run times just a few seconds shorter than usual, are sometimes edited so there is good reason to be skeptical of those shorter run times. :wave:

OK, those four, but 99.99% of the time they usually ran short or whatever. In the case of IDOJ, to me it sounds like Sony tried to combine the syndicated print and other prints of scenes not in syndication, and maybe they just couldn't save the 10 second scene or maybe it was just a simple error. Same with Rhoda, likely an error on somebody's part. And for That Girl they could only use the prints they were provided with, and one winded up edited. Other than music edits, they usually don't randomly edit scenes out. Like I said, mistakes do happen. But I never get skeptical, because like I said 99.99% of the time they usually just ran short in the first place and there's nothing to be concerned about.

Off-topic again, but do you know what is edited out on the S4 Rhoda 24:45 episode?

Review here on Sitcoms Online says that the last few seconds of the episode are what's missing. I don't have this DVD set and I don't know what happened there but it is strange that the tail end of the episode is missing. :confused:

OK, those four, but 99.99% of the time they usually ran short or whatever. In the case of IDOJ, to me it sounds like Sony tried to combine the syndicated print and other prints of scenes not in syndication, and maybe they just couldn't save the 10 second scene or maybe it was just a simple error. Same with Rhoda, likely an error on somebody's part. And for That Girl they could only use the prints they were provided with, and one winded up edited. Other than music edits, they usually don't randomly edit scenes out. Like I said, mistakes do happen. But I never get skeptical, because like I said 99.99% of the time they usually just ran short in the first place and there's nothing to be concerned about.

Another strange one is the 3rd season DVD of Leave It To Beaver. As far as I know, the episodes are uncut but the run times vary, some episodes as short as about 25 minutes and others as long as about 26 minutes. So there is about a full minute difference between the shorter and longer episodes of this season. I haven't noticed anything obvious in the shorter episodes where something might be edited so I guess they're uncut but I wouldn't be surprised either if some are edited and I'm just not aware of it.

I swear there's an edit in the third season episode, June's Birthday (sorry, I've gone on about this in other posts, even in this thread-post 48). In the middle of the episode there is a classroom scene, and after the class finishes singing Old McDonald, in the version I remember, Miss Landers tells the class they are going over to Mrs. Harrison's house to sing the song for the Mothers Club. In all current versions, and probably going back quite a ways, that line is edited out (IMO). In the edited out version, they finish the song, there are a few unrelated lines where Judy tells on Larry, and Miss Landers says they'll meet in the cafeteria. The cut line is important to the plot. I'd really like to find an old syndicated version from say the 1970s, but so far, no luck.

It's unfortunate Universal didn't put out a season 3 DVD set--they did put out seasons 1 and 2. Shout also hosed up the season 1 DVDs by placing the teaser scene after the opening credits in many episodes--the teaser belongs before the credits and Universal got it right.

If anyone has a really old copy of this episode, please PM me!

I watched the episode "June's Birthday" on the DVD, I think it's probably uncut because it runs almost 26 minutes. There are only two mentions of Mrs. Harrison's, first time is earlier in the episode when Beaver mentions it while talking to his mom in the kitchen after he gave her the blouse as a birthday present. Second time is during the classroom scene when Whitey mentions it while talking to Miss Landers after the class sings Old McDonald. Miss Landers doesn't actually mention Mrs. Harrison's, unless that part was cut out, but I didn't see anything obvious where something might have been cut and the episode does run close to 26 minutes, so most likely it's uncut unless there's a sneaky little edit somewhere in the episode which could also be possible.

Here's where I think it's edited out:

After Larry’s “Those were my oinks”
Miss Landers says, “Well, you just make sure they are.”
Larry: Yes, Miss Landers”
(edit, IMO): Miss Landers probably said something like: (I have a surprise for you. We're all going to Mrs. Harrison's to sing our song.)
Miss L: Now class remember we’ll all assemble in the playground right after lunch.

It probably would only be 5 to 10 seconds, but somebody probably cut it out somewhere along the way (probably way back), and it stayed that way. If Universal had done the DVD, they probably would have remastered from the original 35mm film, but I doubt Shout had access to that. Also, Universal would have produced new TV prints, which was probably never done, since MeTV is using the DVD versions.

I wonder if the scripts are anywhere!

Here's where I think it's edited out:

After Larry’s “Those were my oinks”
Miss Landers says, “Well, you just make sure they are.”
Larry: Yes, Miss Landers”
(edit, IMO): Miss Landers probably said something like: (I have a surprise for you. We're all going to Mrs. Harrison's to sing our song.)
Miss L: Now class remember we’ll all assemble in the playground right after lunch.

It probably would only be 5 to 10 seconds, but somebody probably cut it out somewhere along the way (probably way back), and it stayed that way. If Universal had done the DVD, they probably would have remastered from the original 35mm film, but I doubt Shout had access to that. Also, Universal would have produced new TV prints, which was probably never done, since MeTV is using the DVD versions.

I wonder if the scripts are anywhere!

You could be correct about that edit, it sounds plausible that Miss Landers would mention Mrs. Harrison's and then Whitey would respond with his question. I went back and checked that part of the episode again, if there is indeed an edit there, whoever did the hack job was precise because it doesn't appear obvious as if something was edited.

Here's another 3rd season episode that might be edited on the DVD, I think it's the episode titled "School Sweater". Around the mid part of the episode, Wally tells June and Ward that he and Beaver are going to try and get rid of the gopher in the yard, and he says it as if the gopher had been mentioned before/earlier in the episode, but there is no earlier mention. So I wonder if the gopher was mentioned earlier in the episode but for whatever reason that part was cut out. I don't know if this episode is edited or not, I'm just speculating but I'm suspicious that it might be.

Yeah, it wouldn't be written like that. And I really doubt the original film would have had that line taken out.

I need to check out the episode you mentioned, too. Somebody else mentioned in another thread that Shout has to use what they are given. And my guess is that what they're given most often is a good-quality videotape of the episode. And the videotape in this case is probably a second-generation tape copy of an already-edited tape.

I will have to say, though, that much was restored on this set. Example: there was a Gilbert line in a 6th season episode, about Angela Valentine wearing a Jackie Kennedy wig. That line was cut out for years, and they restored that. They probably would have done better on the whole set if they had the same access that Universal has to the original film elements.

I'm still trying to locate an older copy of the episode. If I ever locate that snippet (if I'm right), I'm gonna see to it that it's posted on Youtube, and refer Shout to it.

If there is an edit in the "School Sweater" episode, it's probably in the beginning scene when Wally comes home from the basketball game and talks to June and Ward. The conversation ends kind of abruptly, gives the impression that there should be a little more to it, maybe that's when the gopher gets mentioned the first time but the line was cut out.

Overall I'm not fully satisfied with the complete series from Shout Factory. The set is acceptable but that's about the best I can say about it. As you (stevea) mentioned, the 1st season is a mess with those misplaced opening teasers. That's a huge error and it should have been caught and corrected before the set was released. For the 1st season, I have Universal's six disc set. The only Shout Factory disc from season 1 that I kept is the first disc because it has the bonus feature. As far as I know, season 2 from Shout Factory and Universal are both identical as far as the episodes go, so I have the Shout set of season 2.

Another thing I don't like are the episode menu screens, Shout could have been more creative instead of doing all six seasons the same, episode titles written in cement, that is fine for the first season but not the others. Would have been nice if a different menu screen was created for each season. And for the 6th season menu screens, Shout didn't even bother to use the updated 6th season theme for the music, they left in the seasons 1-5 theme instead. :rolleyes: Just kind of a careless job with the menu screens, they should have been done better.

Shout made a big deal about these high definition transfers but I don't really like how they look, what ended up happening is that areas in the video that have a lot of fine detail have a red/purple rainbow effect to them, it looks terrible so when I watch these discs I just shut the color off on my TV set so I don't have to see that rainbow effect nonsense. In my opinion, it's not necessary to have fancy, high definition transfers of a 60 year old black and white TV show. But Shout Factory made a big deal about it and made it a selling point. :rolleyes:

I agree with you. The thing that bugs me most is the video "wavers" on the intro of each episode. On my set it's particularly bad on the 2nd season. It's so bad I'm glad I have the Universal set, even if it's double-sided DVDs. This may just be a problem with my set, which I'm pretty sure I got directly from Shout (so it's not a "bogus" ripped set from Ebay or whatever).

I also agree Shout should have fixed the season 1 set. MeTV should use the Universal set for their sources--it was even reissued as single-sided DVDs.

I apologize for this thread going so far off subject. Thanks for everyone tolerating it!

I agree with you. The thing that bugs me most is the video "wavers" on the intro of each episode. On my set it's particularly bad on the 2nd season. It's so bad I'm glad I have the Universal set, even if it's double-sided DVDs. This may just be a problem with my set, which I'm pretty sure I got directly from Shout (so it's not a "bogus" ripped set from Ebay or whatever).

I also agree Shout should have fixed the season 1 set. MeTV should use the Universal set for their sources--it was even reissued as single-sided DVDs.

I apologize for this thread going so far off subject. Thanks for everyone tolerating it!

Threads sometimes go off topic, discussion drifts to another subject. We can go to the Leave It To Beaver board and continue discussion there.

OK, I started a new thread on the LITB site. I viewed and reviewed School Sweater.

Well, as we all know, THAT GIRL is back on TV on AntennaTV and has been for some time.

However, what is also cool is that Tubi TV (The streaming service that is FREE with minimal ads) has had THAT GIRL for awhile - and the episodes seem to be uncut.

They just rotated in Season 3, however for some odd reason "7 1/4" PART TWO (The Hollywood Episode) and "Bad Day at Marvin Gardens" (The Monopoly Episode) aren't there! Now Streaming has it's own clearance issues different from DVD/Download and Syndication - but for the life of me, I can't figure why those two episodes would be omitted. Anyone got any suggestions.

Other then that, the episodes are uncut and run around the standard 25:30 for the time period, give or take a few seconds.