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Todd Mueller

08-16-2018, 10:56 PM

Wow... Great story, CD! I thought I'd heard pretty much everything on the Dale Kerstetter case but I even learned more after reading that.

Just like you, I have to give a serious "WTF, over?" to Corning. They waited 4 DAYS to look at the video, when they knew an employee was missing? And that was after he failed to check in several times, as required? I don't blame Penny for being upset and wanting to sue them. That is ridiculous that they were so lax in following up on this. It really does make you wonder if they just didn't care about Dale, they wanted to make him look bad, or they were afraid THEY would look bad if this got out. In any case, I think they handled this horribly and they seem like shady people.

As for Dale, I tend to agree with you that he didn't do it or was in (or aware) of the plot and they got double-crossed. Part of me thinks he might have been passive in allowing it, but seeing as he was so close to retirement I can't see him setting this all up. Also, I don't think he left on the run because he seemed close to his family, and I can't believe he would just ditch them, no matter how much money he got.

Thanks for another good blog post. Keep 'em coming!

JC1957

08-25-2018, 10:25 PM

crystaldawn

08-26-2018, 03:10 PM

Crystaldawn, I read your story on Dale Kerstetter. Wow, that was a most excellent read.

Yet it wouldn't surprise me if the theft of the platinum was carried out by someone high in the chain at Corning. I've always noticed something off kilter with their whole attitude about Dale and the theft. I guess you could say I smell a rat with that company.

Anyway keep up the good work CD.

Thank you so much JC1957! So glad you enjoyed it. I did actually track down a phone number for Patrick Foley and Dale's daughter Penny left him a message but he never returned her call. I also sent him an email and he didn't reply.

My next article will be posted soon. It's also concerning a UM missing persons case although not quite as well known as Dale Kerstetter. Stay tuned....::)

crystaldawn

09-03-2018, 09:01 AM

Just posted my latest article this one on another UM segment, the disappearance of Dale Williams. I talked to his daughter and the last two people known to have talked with Dale before he went missing. I also have pages on FB, Twitter and Instagram and a Subscription button on my site if you want email notification when I post a new article. Got some really interesting cases coming up and this one is a story that needs to have more attention. Thanks!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/dale-williams-last-call

Todd Mueller

09-06-2018, 06:09 PM

Another great blog post, CD! I love all the insider info you are getting. This is great stuff.

09-10-2018, 12:01 AM

Great job with your blog Heather! Your articles make for some good long reads. You have a lot of interesting behind-the-scenes information. You've done your homework and some good investigation work putting everything together. It's great you've had so many people willing to share information with you. It's always nice when bloggers like yourself bring more attention to these cases.

Looking forward to your future articles and other projects. You are the next great true crime writer. :)

Killarney Rose

09-12-2018, 05:08 PM

I've really enjoyed reading your blog and look forward to more posts.

GDAWG

09-12-2018, 11:34 PM

crystaldawn

09-15-2018, 06:20 PM

bip05

09-24-2018, 02:47 PM

crystaldawn

09-24-2018, 03:19 PM

hey CD,

Love your blog and I'm grateful for the contributions you've made to us fans over the years.

Know anything about the Gary Mathias + 4 disappearances? This one sends chills down my spine and wondering if you've considered writing about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Gary_Mathias

Thank you so much bip05! :)

I have actually thought about writing about that case! it's so mysterious, troubling and sad! Thanks for the suggestion! :wave:

BlueGalexy

09-27-2018, 12:33 AM

GDAWG

09-27-2018, 01:00 AM

Todd Mueller.....thanks so much!! Your kind words mean a lot. Still one of my favorite posters...:D

TJ...wow your comments were humbling!!! I take your endorsement and kind words as a great compliment!!! You've been a great support through this and always and a great friend. Thanks so much!!! :)

Killarney Rose - Thanks so much! It means a lot when people say they look forward to reading future ones. I wish I could get them out quicker but with all the research, reaching out to people involved and waiting for them to respond it sometimes takes a while.

GDAWG - I am certainly open to writing ones about people later found alive and well, like I did with the Jon Bunting one. I think its interesting to examine all aspects of missing persons.

I'm hard at work on my next one and hope to have it written and posted soon. Its about another UM segment but I'll keep the topic a secret for now. :)

I hope you do more cases like Jon Bunting rather than the most known cases of people who disappeared but were later found alive such as the three Cleveland women, Elizabeth Smart and Jaycee Dugard. Those three cases got so much publicity that I think other cases of people who disappeared but were later found alive ended up on the backburner. It's nice that those 3 cases had happy endings, but so did others.

crystaldawn

09-27-2018, 05:51 AM

Hey CD...just wanted to give you a shout out and congratulate you on a most excellent blog! I particularly appreciated your articulate work on the Kerstetter case. I've followed that case for many years and have had the privilege of discussing it briefly with Penny on this very board. I truly appreciate that although you were obviously committed to reporting on the case objectively, you also remained sensitive towards Kerstetter's loved ones. Not an easy task when dealing with such difficult subject matter.

Two thumbs up CD! You've given us another example of what makes you one of this board's all stars IMO.

BlueGalexy...thank you so much for the kind words!! I was glad to be able to get the more complete story of Dale Kerstetter in print as UM only gives you a taste of these cases and sometimes omits facts. Penny was fantastic and she helped to make the article as in-depth as it was. She recently spoke with the Bradford Era newspaper and they'll be doing an article on Dale based off of my article. That is great news as that will reach people who were around and worked with Dale at the time and maybe some more leads can be garnered there. Once again....thank you so much!! :wave:

GDAWG, yes I agree Jon's case is one that didn't get enough attention. I will definitely not be writing articles on cases that have been covered in every blog and podcast out there. My goal is to always track down family members and others closely involved in these cases although obviously this doesn't always happen for various reasons.

crystaldawn

09-27-2018, 07:57 AM

Killarney Rose

09-27-2018, 10:51 AM

Headed off to read it!

Labonte18

09-27-2018, 05:47 PM

crystaldawn

09-27-2018, 06:01 PM

That torso that was found.. What happened to it? One would think that would have been buried or something.. There might be a possibility of performing DNA testing on it now.

The torso was never mentioned again. A newspaper from Edmonton in 1991 said:

"Police however closed their case a while ago and recently the family was told the old records were all destroyed years ago."

I'm not sure if that refers to the torso but I would doubt it's still around over 60 years later. Yes I thought the same thing, DNA testing could confirm or eliminate if it was Clifford or Georges.

Todd Mueller

09-27-2018, 10:14 PM

I just posted my latest article to my blog. Its about the disappearance of Clifford Sherwood and Georges Gumbley as shown on UM. I was able to speak with relatives of both boy's as well as a former PI who worked on the case. There is a lot of info in here not mentioned on UM so I hope you guys enjoy it!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/remembered-forgotten-clifford-sherwood-georges-gumbley

Dang, girl! How do you find all this new, extra information? :D Another really good and interesting article, CD.

This case is way more complicated than I thought. His dad sounds like a real piece of work. I still lean towards “Tex” taking Clifford, but the Georges part bugs me. I didn’t give it as much thought just based on the UM broadcast, but now it makes me wonder. I think Tex did something to Georges while taking Clifford, or the boys died accidentally together. Seriously weird case, though.

benoitbabe

10-01-2018, 12:25 PM

Awesome! Just added it to my faves.

mozartpc27

10-01-2018, 12:47 PM

How'd I miss this? Great job!

crystaldawn

10-02-2018, 04:53 PM

Dang, girl! How do you find all this new, extra information? :D Another really good and interesting article, CD.

This case is way more complicated than I thought. His dad sounds like a real piece of work. I still lean towards “Tex” taking Clifford, but the Georges part bugs me. I didn’t give it as much thought just based on the UM broadcast, but now it makes me wonder. I think Tex did something to Georges while taking Clifford, or the boys died accidentally together. Seriously weird case, though.

Aww thanks Todd! Yes even more complicated than UM showed. I'm starting to wonder if maybe they left together that day innocent enough but then Georges died accidentally and Clifford tracked his dad down because he was scared to go home and they were together for a while. Some of Clifford's family has said that Georges family accepted the remains as his; but Georges' family don't think that was the case.

BenoitBabe...thanks so much! :)

MozartPC...thank you! :)

BlueGalexy

10-02-2018, 05:30 PM

I think of the Brian Shaffer case often. He was an Ohio State med student who disappeared just before he was supposed to propose to his gf. He drank a ton of liquor the night before his flight to Miami (presumably to propose) then he walked into one last bar with 2 friends after bar hopping. He never walked out, if the surveillance footage can be relied upon. He's never been seen since. A baffling case, even the 'most likely' scenarios don't make sense to me.

Jon, I too have thought of the Shaffer case frequently throughout the years. I can't explain why, but it's always seemed to strike a chord with me for some reason. I will say that since my own mother, who I was very close with, passed last year, my perspective on that element of the case have broadened somewhat.

If you're open to suggestions CD, I too would love to see your insights into the Shaffer case. In any case, keep up the good work!

Labonte18

10-02-2018, 06:42 PM

Aww thanks Todd! Yes even more complicated than UM showed. I'm starting to wonder if maybe they left together that day innocent enough but then Georges died accidentally and Clifford tracked his dad down because he was scared to go home and they were together for a while. Some of Clifford's family has said that Georges family accepted the remains as his; but Georges' family don't think that was the case.

That's a heck of a reach for 1954. If this were 2001.. I'd buy into this theory a little more. but.. 1954? I mean, calling long distance was a chore in and of itself at that time. Did Clifford hang out in the woods until his dad got there? I just can't get on board with this one.

The part where Georges and Clifford were talking and Butch had to leave.. Curious to know what they were talking about, what the conversation was leaning towards from Butch's perspective. Your writing paints a picture, the problem is the picture i'm getting is the three of them standing around and Georges and Clifford walking off and talking privately.. Which.. Could indicate plans to skip school to go fishing.

My biggest bet on this would be... they skipped to go fishing and wound up drowning. Second would be that Tex abducted Clifford and disposed of Georges.

Those two seem to be the best bets.. And the only reason the Tex one makes the list is that he seems to have been such a complete and total nutcase.

freakbook

10-03-2018, 05:59 AM

Awesome job, CD! Very well written and informative.

I do think both boys died together unfortunately. If Tex took Clifford and changed his identity, then why didn't he ever reach out to his mother/sisters? Why not resurface after his father died? His mother died in 2006, so he had plenty of years to pop up.

Another thing is why would Tex kidnap/kill Georges when he had visitation with Clifford whenever he wanted? Would've been easier to take Clifford when he was coming home from school instead of killing another child. Not saying it's impossible, but since Clifford never resurfaced I think it's a safe bet that they died together.

I also wouldn't take Tex's rage when asked about Clifford as a sign of guilt either. He constantly picked him up and had taken pictures with him, so its obvious that he cared for his son in some capacity. If my son went missing and I was being blamed and constantly accused I would probably fly off the handle myself. His son went missing, it's not that abnormal.

Either it was a fishing accident, or they were kidnapped/murdered by the same man, hate to say.

crystaldawn

10-05-2018, 04:21 PM

crystaldawn

10-05-2018, 05:44 PM

I just noticed that the Olean Times Herald, near where Dale Kerstetter went missing, has published an article based heavily on my blog article. The Official UM FB page even posted it. Check it out:

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/news/kerstetter-disappearance-missing-platinum-more-than-years-ago-still-an/article_7e0eb8d8-c857-11e8-97cf-0764eaa5fbf9.html

baumten

10-06-2018, 01:46 AM

I just checked out your blog. It's really nice. Love the genre.

So these are all accounts of missing person who have been found later eventually? Or case was solved?

GDAWG

10-06-2018, 11:13 PM

I just checked out your blog. It's really nice. Love the genre.

So these are all accounts of missing person who have been found later eventually? Or case was solved?

A majority of these cases are those missing who are still missing. If you look around, there's a blog she did on John Bunting, who was missing but later found. She says that she'll be doing more "missing but later found" stories in the future. It is the only case she's done that has been solved.

crystaldawn

10-07-2018, 11:34 AM

I just checked out your blog. It's really nice. Love the genre.

So these are all accounts of missing person who have been found later eventually? Or case was solved?

Thank you baumten! :) Well the stories of missing person's cases where the victims were found alive later are in the minority sadly but definitely open to writing about them! Jon Bunting's was a unique take as he could talk about what it was like to be "missing" for 20 years. I generally like to write about the cases that have a lot of depth and twists and turns. It's good to get some renewed attention to these cases that could still be solved.

crystaldawn

10-19-2018, 04:52 PM

Here is a link to the Podcast I recently did with Ed Dentzel from Unfound. We are discussing the Dale Kerstetter case. https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/unfoundpodcast/episodes/2018-10-19T10_54_30-07_00

freakbook

10-19-2018, 05:44 PM

Very cool. Listening now...

crystaldawn

10-30-2018, 10:39 AM

Labonte18

10-30-2018, 11:51 AM

Just posted my latest article. This wasn't featured on UM but would have made for a great segment. Interestingly, one of the relatives posted online and made it sound like some wanted to have it on UM but not all of the relatives would sign off on it.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/the-yuba-city-5-detour-to-death

A sad case that probably would have had a different outcome 10-15 years later.

Their car being found days after they disappeared.. In today's world, a chopper with an infrared camera would have been taken up to search for them on the mountain and likely would have detected Ted and Gary holed up in the cabin.

crystaldawn

11-30-2018, 06:48 PM

Just posted my newest blog entry about the disappearance of a boy from Spain that Interpol has dubbed the "strangest missing persons case in Europe". :)

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/acid-trip

Labonte18

12-02-2018, 04:00 AM

Thank you baumten! :) Well the stories of missing person's cases where the victims were found alive later are in the minority sadly but definitely open to writing about them! Jon Bunting's was a unique take as he could talk about what it was like to be "missing" for 20 years. I generally like to write about the cases that have a lot of depth and twists and turns. It's good to get some renewed attention to these cases that could still be solved.

Very few, but one happened here in my neck of the woods.. The Michele Whitaker case. She disappeared herself and was missing, thought to have been the victim of a serial killer, until she was recognized by someone in the Pacific Northwest.

I've heard rumors that she's re-established relationships with her family. but for quite some time, she preferred to remain 'missing'.

Just posted my newest blog entry about the disappearance of a boy from Spain that Interpol has dubbed the "strangest missing persons case in Europe". :)

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/acid-trip

Weird.. but the first thing that comes to my mind.. He was letting the kid drive. Maybe not steer, but maybe letting him shift gears. Which would explain the erratic speeds and stopping and starting. At the end, control was lost, crash.. That all adds up except for one thing. You'd think the kid would have been found.

SitcomsHeydayfan

12-02-2018, 06:58 AM

Ok. I signed up for your blog eventhough it will be really depressing. :wave:

SitcomsHeydayfan

12-02-2018, 07:01 AM

Just posted my newest blog entry about the disappearance of a boy from Spain that Interpol has dubbed the "strangest missing persons case in Europe". :)

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/acid-trip

For some reason none of your links work for me. It just loads & loads but nothing happens. I have an Amazon Fire HD tablet.

Allierain

12-04-2018, 03:25 PM

I have been around here for 16 years and I have always enjoyed your posts. I'm so excited to visit your blog! Grats on getting it going!

ETA: Ohhhhh I love it, thank you so much for bringing more attention to these cases! Love the Dale Kerstetter article especially! All very well researched and written, and fair!

Allierain

12-04-2018, 05:14 PM

For some reason none of your links work for me. It just loads & loads but nothing happens. I have an Amazon Fire HD tablet.

I am having trouble leaving a comment. I was wondering if it was just me but I tried three different browsers. Anyone else having this issue?

crystaldawn

01-02-2019, 08:39 AM

I'm sorry about the problem about leaving a comment. Some people seem to be able to and some don't, so not really sure what is going on. I'll try to get it corrected!! :)

Also just posted my latest blog article on the disappearance of Joan Gay Croft. Hope you guys enjoy it!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/joan-gay-croft-gone-with-the-wind

01-02-2019, 02:39 PM

Great blog - I saw it a month or so ago off here on my mobile but looks much better on laptop :) Thanks for doing these.

5thcorps

01-08-2019, 03:26 PM

crystaldawn, when are you putting up another case?

crystaldawn

01-10-2019, 09:31 PM

crystaldawn, when are you putting up another case?

Thanks so much VM!!!

5thcorps I plan on posting another one later in January. I'm working on research now. I have a few "exclusives" coming up involving relatives of a few missing people profiled on UM that rarely, if ever, speak to the media or anyone about their cases but have agreed to speak to me. Stay tuned....:)

JC1957

01-11-2019, 12:00 PM

Thanks so much VM!!!

5thcorps I plan on posting another one later in January. I'm working on research now. I have a few "exclusives" coming up involving relatives of a few missing people profiled on UM that rarely, if ever, speak to the media or anyone about their cases but have agreed to speak to me. Stay tuned....:)
Looking forward to that. Keep up the good work!

5thcorps

01-11-2019, 02:00 PM

Looking forward to that. Keep up the good work!

Make that 2 of us.

Guardian

01-19-2019, 02:03 AM

This is awesome. I love the amount of detail. Great job Crystaldawn!

crystaldawn

01-30-2019, 10:40 PM

This is awesome. I love the amount of detail. Great job Crystaldawn!

Thanks so much Guardian! Just waiting on an email back from the PD about the current case I'm working on then hope to get it written and posted soon. :)

Guardian

02-13-2019, 02:27 AM

crystaldawn

02-13-2019, 07:33 AM

Crystaldawn, Im loving your blog. Just curious if there is any chance you would cover the Leonard Derickson case? I don’t know why but that one has always bothered me. I’d love to find out more info about it.

Thanks so much! I would love to dig into that case if I can locate some friends or family members that will talk. I have a feeling there's a lot they're not telling us in that story.

crystaldawn

02-14-2019, 10:27 AM

Todd Mueller

02-14-2019, 02:05 PM

I just posted my latest article. It's an exclusive about Adam Hecht where I had in-depth conversations with 2 of his brothers as well as the Beverly Hills PD. I hope you enjoy it!!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/adam-hecht-searching-for-answers

WOW! Nice scoop, CD! I can’t believe you were able to talk to the Hechts. That is fantastic. Excellent job!

You definitely paint a more complete picture of Adam. After the UM broadcast I was more inclined to believe that this was a random thing. Like you said in the article, perhaps he was on the street and succumbbed to fall play. But after reading this it seems Adam is struggling with these issues for much longer and that he probably did leave by his own choice. The only part I’m having trouble with is why he wouldn’t let his family know he was OK. You’d think he would get word to them one way or another so that part still bothers me. Great job on the history with this case and helping to paint a better picture of the person that Adam was. Nice to know the rest of the Hechts are still doing well.

Labonte18

02-14-2019, 03:49 PM

Ah.. Starting to read this one now.. This story has been one that has bugged me. So, before I read it.. I've always thought that "Tony" was not directly involved. He didn't kill him, didn't have him killed. I think Tony was mentally deficient, was invited to live with Adam, and didn't think when Adam didn't come back that he wasn't able to remain in his place.

I have maintained that I believe this to be a prime example of someone being misplaced. I think Adam passed away from an OD on the streets, or, perhaps was even attacked and killed. He was not properly identified and became an unclaimed body. I think he's buried in a paupers grave or sitting on a shelf in a coroners office somewhere in Southern California.

So.. Now.. I'm going to start reading the blog..

Yeah.. Doesn't really change my mind. if he disappeared willingly.. After 30 years of there being no trace whatsoever.. I cannot see him being alive. One question.. Where his car was found.. Was it near any form of transportation? Airport? Train Station? That kind of thing?

I don't dismiss the willingly left theory.. But think it'd be awful tough to stay totally hidden this long.

crystaldawn

02-14-2019, 06:56 PM

WOW! Nice scoop, CD! I can’t believe you were able to talk to the Hechts. That is fantastic. Excellent job!

You definitely paint a more complete picture of Adam. After the UM broadcast I was more inclined to believe that this was a random thing. Like you said in the article, perhaps he was on the street and succumbbed to fall play. But after reading this it seems Adam is struggling with these issues for much longer and that he probably did leave by his own choice. The only part I’m having trouble with is why he wouldn’t let his family know he was OK. You’d think he would get word to them one way or another so that part still bothers me. Great job on the history with this case and helping to paint a better picture of the person that Adam was. Nice to know the rest of the Hechts are still doing well.

Thanks so much Todd! That means a lot. Yes I was so happy to talk with them and they were so nice! It's always better to know more details and I hate when missing persons only are known for the fact they're missing and who they actually are gets buried.

Harold told me that he loved the article, it was perfect and it brought a tear to his eye (remembering his brother) so that was very powerful. :)

crystaldawn

03-26-2019, 09:57 AM

I just posted my latest blog article about a case UM covered about the disappearance of Curtis Pishon. Hope you enjoy it!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/curtis-pishon-burning-questions

Todd Mueller

03-28-2019, 11:13 AM

I just posted my latest blog article about a case UM covered about the disappearance of Curtis Pishon. Hope you enjoy it!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/curtis-pishon-burning-questions

Another great blog post, CD! I always learn so much more about cases I thought I had all the info on.

I think Curtis found an employee or two that were up to no good and confronted them, and they took him out for fear he would turn them in. Being a "weaker" person, they probably beat him up and then panicked and murdered him and/or disposed of his body.

I feel awful for Curtis and his family. He sounds like a decent guy who was dealt a tough hand later in life.

03-30-2019, 02:44 PM

I just posted my latest blog article about a case UM covered about the disappearance of Curtis Pishon. Hope you enjoy it!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/curtis-pishon-burning-questions

Wow. Poor Curtis. Debilitating disease as well as this. Gotta be someone on shift that night and that Robert April sounds like a pierce of work.

Edit: I also found this about Robert April III and his son April IV. Sounds like his son is as nutty as he is. https://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20130809/News/308090373

MegtheEgg86

03-30-2019, 04:50 PM

Wow. Poor Curtis. Debilitating disease as well as this. Gotta be someone on shift that night and that Robert April sounds like a pierce of work.

Edit: I also found this about Robert April III and his son April IV. Sounds like his son is as nutty as he is. https://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20130809/News/308090373

Forgive me, but when I first read that article I thought, "What Temple? April doesn't sound like a Jewish name--maybe they converted?" :rolleyes: :lol:

crystaldawn

03-31-2019, 05:22 PM

Another great blog post, CD! I always learn so much more about cases I thought I had all the info on.

I think Curtis found an employee or two that were up to no good and confronted them, and they took him out for fear he would turn them in. Being a "weaker" person, they probably beat him up and then panicked and murdered him and/or disposed of his body.

I feel awful for Curtis and his family. He sounds like a decent guy who was dealt a tough hand later in life.

Thanks so much Todd! :wave:

Yes this one really makes you mad! Possibly assaulting and murdering someone who couldn't adequately defend himself than going on with your life as if nothing happened. :(

crystaldawn

05-07-2019, 06:27 AM

On the 1 year anniversary of my blog my latest article involves the disappearance of Pamela June Ray. I worked closely with her sister researching this so a lot of info included not mentioned on UM. Hope you enjoy!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/pamela-june-ray-no-vacancy

Killarney Rose

05-07-2019, 11:55 AM

Very interesting. I've followed this case closely on this forum. It's always interested me as we were vacationing in Panama City when this happened. I remember the pouring rain and the heavy police presence the entire time we were there.

JC1957

05-07-2019, 10:21 PM

Todd Mueller

05-09-2019, 12:20 PM

Another great article, CD! I love getting the extra facts and inside scoop on these cases. I look forward to Part 2.

I have a few questions for you about this case but I will post those on the PJR thread...

crystaldawn

06-16-2019, 07:32 PM

Could the same person be responsible for the disappearance of 3 different women profiled on Unsolved Mysteries? Check out my latest article that killer Mark Riebe doesn't want you to read.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/mark-riebe-sins-of-the-father

Killarney Rose

06-16-2019, 09:05 PM

You are doing an amazing job with your blog and I've certainly enjoyed reading your posts. Especially the last two,they've answered many questions for me.

TheCars1986

06-17-2019, 07:12 AM

Excellent article. Riebe definitely sounds like the person responsible for Pamela June Ray's disappearance.

Sundance

06-17-2019, 12:56 PM

I love your blog Crystaldawn. Keep up the good work!

Todd Mueller

06-17-2019, 10:37 PM

Another excellent blog article, CD! This was well researched and a fascinating read. I hate that Riebe was such a horrible person but you presented this very well and it’s nice to see some good came out of this. I also agree that he is the most likely killer of Pamela June Ray.

I don’t know how you keep getting your information on all these cases, but PLEASE keep it up! :D

crystaldawn

06-18-2019, 07:42 PM

Thank you everyone so much for the kind words!!!

Todd Mueller, I know I can't believe the luck I have. Special Agent Dennis Haley's stories to me were mindblowing! I don't think the details of his confessions are anywhere else in print that I'm aware of. Really leaves little room for doubt that Riebe has, at the very least, killed multiple women.

I'll let the excitement on this one die down before I tackle the next one, but I guarantee it won't disappoint either. Another UM case...;)

crystaldawn

07-06-2019, 01:15 PM

I am honored that my blog was heavily referenced in the Northwest Daily News today concerning my Pamela June Ray and Mark Riebe articles. It would be great if this renewed interest in her case can lead to answers for her family!

Here's the link.

https://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20190706/looking-for-answers-in-pamela-june-rays-1992-disappearance

Steve_uk

07-06-2019, 03:06 PM

I don't know whether the Andrew Gosden case has been mentioned before on this site but Steven Pacheco has just created a podcast on the case for those interested: https://youtu.be/pbCy14wOjaI

freakbook

07-06-2019, 10:07 PM

crystaldawn

07-07-2019, 04:05 PM

congrats on making the big time, CD!

Thanks so much freakbook!! :blush:

07-09-2019, 05:53 PM

congrats on making the big time, CD!

Ditto. Some seriously good, well written research and dedication in that website cd has made. Nice to see recognition and appreciation for someone's hard work; especially in a situation where such serious life matters are concerned with these topics/subject matters.

Todd Mueller

07-14-2019, 11:40 AM

crystaldawn

07-14-2019, 11:51 AM

:eek::eek::eek:

WOW, CD! Your latest blog post about the Wackerhagen case is so good! You have truly outdone yourself on this one.

It's awesome to wake up on a Sunday morning, pour a cup of coffee, and see a brand new post on your blog that I can read. Excellent job, as always! I hope your blog blows up and gets many more views, because it should.

I'll post my thoughts on the actual case on the thread for it. Lots to unpack there...

Thanks you so much Todd, that comment made my day!!! I've been getting so many hits, especially since several newspapers in Florida heavily referenced my Mark Riebe and Pamela June Ray article last week. Sometimes even getting hundreds of hits a day! Very exciting!

Here is the link to my latest blog about Dub and Chance if anyone wants to check it out!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/dub-chance-wackerhagen-last-christmas

Calliope68

07-14-2019, 09:55 PM

crystaldawn

07-15-2019, 06:57 PM

I was so excited to see a new blog post this morning when I woke up and you did not disappoint! There were several details I was not aware of. I hope and pray the families find answers soon! Thank you Crystal for you detailed and in depth write ups. I cannot wait for the next one!

What a thoughtful thing to say Calliope!! Thank you, it means so much!

Working on the next one right now. Another UM one with relatives that haven't spoken out before and I promise it won't disappoint...:wave:

crystaldawn

08-25-2019, 12:00 PM

I know you hardcore UM fans are going to want to read my next blog. It's about Christi Nichols's disappearance. I had a ton of people to talk to for this one, including her family so a lot more details. If you thought Mark Nichols was a creep after watching the UM segment, wait until you read the article!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/christi-nichols-marked-for-murder

freakbook

08-25-2019, 01:08 PM

Killarney Rose

08-25-2019, 02:16 PM

Good post, as usual!

Todd Mueller

08-25-2019, 07:35 PM

Holy wow! You keep outdoing yourself, CD. :D This is another great, yet horribly sad, blog post by you. I thought Mark was a jackass before, but now it's clear he was a serial abuser. That poor girl had to be terrified by him. You did an awesome job laying this story out and I could really feel her family's anguish. I can't believe how many people you were able to make contact with. Excellent work on this!

crystaldawn

08-28-2019, 05:01 PM

Thanks so much everyone!! I'm so glad I could tackle this case. I got a very interesting email from someone right after I posted it and let's just say a very interesting update to my blog might be forthcoming. :)

crystaldawn

09-13-2019, 10:03 AM

freakbook

09-13-2019, 10:37 AM

JC1957

09-13-2019, 02:15 PM

Wow.

Thanks for digging up all that information.

We all appreciate your time and dedication in gathering all the bits and pieces. This update (for me anyway) puts things in a whole new light.

I really enjoy reading all your blogs CD and keep 'em coming!

Todd Mueller

09-13-2019, 02:35 PM

I've been talking with Harold Hecht this week and although sadly Adam is still missing, there is an update to my blog that you won't want to miss and is nowhere else on the internet!

Curious to hear everyone's thoughts on it!

Wow... that's nuts. I don't know what surprises me more: that Tony is still alive, that Harold found Tony, that Tony actually talked to Harold, or that Tony has been homeless all these years. Dang.

I honestly don't think Tony had anything to do with Adam's disappearance (at least not directly). I don't see how it would have benefitted him in any way, especially when Adam was helping Tony. Then again, I'm sure Tony suffers from some form of mental illness so who knows what he really knows or remembers, or what is even real to him.

jbjr56

09-21-2019, 02:49 AM

Double Wow!

BlueGalexy

09-28-2019, 04:13 PM

I've been talking with Harold Hecht this week and although sadly Adam is still missing, there is an update to my blog that you won't want to miss and is nowhere else on the internet!

Curious to hear everyone's thoughts on it!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/adam-hecht-searching-for-answers

Just checking in to give you a shout out CD! :) I'm embarrassed to admit that it's been a little while since I've perused your blog, but was so pleased to see the new entries. Your reporting on the Hecht case was awesome IMO, and it really made me see the situation in a completely different light. I don't want to ruin the article for anyone, but speaking personally, I was always very focused on the "Tony factor" in this case, but your report included a lot of info that I wasn't aware of and has completely broadened my POV so to speak.

On a more personal note, I'd also like to thank you for covering the Pishon case. My own dad has suffered from MS for many years, and for that reason alone, the Pishon case has always struck a bit of a personal chord for me. I'm off to read it now as a matter of fact. Thanks again for your excellent work!!

crystaldawn

09-29-2019, 01:24 PM

Just checking in to give you a shout out CD! :) I'm embarrassed to admit that it's been a little while since I've perused your blog, but was so pleased to see the new entries. Your reporting on the Hecht case was awesome IMO, and it really made me see the situation in a completely different light. I don't want to ruin the article for anyone, but speaking personally, I was always very focused on the "Tony factor" in this case, but your report included a lot of info that I wasn't aware of and has completely broadened my POV so to speak.

On a more personal note, I'd also like to thank you for covering the Pishon case. My own dad has suffered from MS for many years, and for that reason alone, the Pishon case has always struck a bit of a personal chord for me. I'm off to read it now as a matter of fact. Thanks again for your excellent work!!

Aww...thank you so much BlueGalexy! I so appreciate that! I would have loved to locate Curtis Pishon's family to speak with them but there's a pretty good idea who is responsible for his disappearance.

You better get cracking on reading these articles because I just posted another one today...;)

So here is my latest article about Pam Page. I spoke with her sister Jimmie extensively for it so a lot of details UM didn't mention. Let's just say if you thought Rob seemed guilty before, you ain't heard nothing yet! https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/pam-page-a-forged-farewell

Todd Mueller

09-29-2019, 02:19 PM

So here is my latest article about Pam Page. I spoke with her sister Jimmie extensively for it so a lot of details UM didn't mention. Let's just say if you thought Rob seemed guilty before, you ain't heard nothing yet! https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/pam-page-a-forged-farewell

WOOOOWWW! Holy heck... This is nuts. CD, you keep outdoing yourself. Another great article!

As for this case, I think we all knew Rob did it and here is more proof. It makes me mad that UM would post an update with "Rob is no longer considered a suspect." They clearly screwed the pooch on that one. :mad:

WishfulDreamer

09-29-2019, 02:19 PM

Great job, crystaldawn! One question for you. I noticed you wrote the "late" Don Devereaux in this latest blog. When did he pass away? I can't find that information and am wondering if it was recent.

Todd Mueller

09-29-2019, 02:34 PM

Great job, crystaldawn! One question for you. I noticed you wrote the "late" Don Devereaux in this latest blog. When did he pass away? I can't find that information and am wondering if it was recent.

I saw that too... Did he really pass away? :( I hope not. He is one of my favorite UM investigators.

crystaldawn

09-30-2019, 06:31 AM

I saw that too... Did he really pass away? :( I hope not. He is one of my favorite UM investigators.

Thank you everyone!! I couldn't really find any documentation either but Jimmie passed on to me that she was told that Don Devereaux had died.

crystaldawn

10-20-2019, 11:21 AM

Todd Mueller

10-20-2019, 11:47 AM

Killarney Rose

10-20-2019, 02:38 PM

Thanks to you and Guardian for another great post!

Guardian

10-21-2019, 12:40 AM

BlueGalexy

10-21-2019, 10:05 AM

Okay I know you are UM fans are going to want to read my latest blog article. Much more has came to light in the Dale Kerstetter case, enough to warrant another article. I want to give a special shout out to our beloved poster Guardian for letting me use the images of the crime he has worked so hard to restore. This article wouldn't be near as shocking without his hard work!!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/dale-kerstetter-gone-platinum-2-the-mystery-deepens

I swear CD, you wrote your latest blog entry just for me, lol! The Kerstetter case is easily in my top 5 most heavily followed cases, and I was positively delighted to find out that not only had the original surveillance tape been released, but that you'd managed to dig up enough info for a Kerstetter sequel. (I'd like to give a shout out to Guardian here for helping out with the footage). :)

I also have to say that I've been taking some time to catch up on The Trail Went Cold podcast, and thought to myself, how awesome would it be if CD also did a podcast?. Then I came across your segment in Unfound, lol! Thanks again CD...it's nice to see such an ice cold case hasn't been completely forgotten.

crystaldawn

12-22-2019, 12:01 PM

I swear CD, you wrote your latest blog entry just for me, lol! The Kerstetter case is easily in my top 5 most heavily followed cases, and I was positively delighted to find out that not only had the original surveillance tape been released, but that you'd managed to dig up enough info for a Kerstetter sequel. (I'd like to give a shout out to Guardian here for helping out with the footage). :)

I also have to say that I've been taking some time to catch up on The Trail Went Cold podcast, and thought to myself, how awesome would it be if CD also did a podcast?. Then I came across your segment in Unfound, lol! Thanks again CD...it's nice to see such an ice cold case hasn't been completely forgotten.

Aww thank you so much Blue Galexy!! Sorry for just now responding. I have even more info on the Dale Kerstetter case that will eventually all come out. Stay tuned....

I have considered doing a podcast but not sure so we'll see what 2020 brings. ;)

I did just post another article today. Not a UM segment but a well known case that I'm sure many of you are familiar with and one you can't help but think of this time of year.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/the-sodder-children-nightmare-noel

Also stay tuned because I did guest on a podcast where we discussed some UM cases and I believe its being posted in the next day or two so I'll be sure to put a link on here when it's up. :wave:

crystaldawn

01-19-2020, 12:50 PM

Hello! My latest entry in my blog is a little bit different. It's 10 quick write-ups of people found dead under mysterious deaths. The majority of these have been featured on UM so I'm sure you guys will all remember these cases.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/grave-danger-10-mysterious-deaths

I'm working on my next 'deep dive' article and it's about a UM case that is familiar to you all. Hope to have it posted next month.

Also if anyone is interested, I was a guest host on the Re-Solved Mysteries podcast recently. These women are great and love Unsolved Mysteries. Here are the links:

Here is a link. It's on Forgotten Few:Holiday Episode Part 1 and 2.

https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/resolvedmysteriespodcast?fbclid=IwAR22HT-WyOsYnPokGGCOYjmb9qbHNeVl5RWWnauIImmJioxmsWbJHkxypnw

On Part 1 we talk about the Marlena Childress segment. On Part 2 I am interviewed about the Jon Bunting segment.

crystaldawn

02-25-2020, 09:04 PM

Hey I just published my article and its about another very well known UM case - Nyleen Kay Marshall. Here's the link if you want to check it out.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/nyleen-kay-marshall-statistic-or-sadistic

Yusuke

02-26-2020, 07:16 PM

Before 2018, Bob Gleich was the Jefferson County detective for Nyleen's case. Surprisingly, LooksLikeCRicci knows who he is. On the phone, he told me he felt the media doesn't "portray" Nyleen's case that well.

The "childhood squabble" spin is questionable. Sometimes newspapers get small details wrong. Based on this inquiry, it sounds like the last of Nyleen's whereabouts was through a 13-year-old girl leaving her near a forest service road by a cabin.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.missing-kids/7HCbriGaOs0

I think the guy in Wisconsin had certain connections (nothing criminal, probably a former Montanian who knew what he knew through gossip, etc), and that's why he's privy. DarkDante once speculated he knew what Nyleen wore, but if you look very closely on the missing poster on Unsolved Mysteries, it tells you (something like bright yellow shirt and pale orange shorts).

Labonte18

02-27-2020, 11:34 AM

I totally agree. This is most likely just a tragic case of a small child being lost in the wilderness.

I couldn't find an Alhambra, MT on google maps. But.. It's friggin' Montana.. There's just nothing there, even in the cities. That's why people love living there.

Yusuke

02-27-2020, 01:11 PM

Alhambra is a bit south from Clancy.

Labonte18

02-27-2020, 02:17 PM

Alhambra is a bit south from Clancy.

Ah, it's a subdivision of Clancy.. A town with 1600 people.

Even Helena, which it isn't far from, only has a population of 28k. If she did get lost in the woods and if they had gotten every resident of Helena out there to search, it's likely they wouldn't find her.

Sometimes it's easier to blame a boogeyman or the unknown than believe what's right in front of you. That's my feeling of what happened here.

It's a really tragic story, especially with what happened to the wife.

I do wonder if they were Mormon missionaries.. someone to go from Montana to Japan to Mexico.. That's a strange journey.

Yusuke

02-27-2020, 03:09 PM

Labonte18

02-27-2020, 07:23 PM

They moved to Japan because of Kim's job.

I don't think this is a case of "blaming the boogeyman." Her last whereabouts, after the 13-year-old girl left her, was with a guy in a jogging suit seen by three other children. He must know the layout (the area, the picnic, where adults and kids hung out) and an alternative parking space (to getaway car without being noticed).

Two points here.

1) It's still odd to have a 'job' going from Montana to Japan to Mexico. Unless.. His job were somehow tied to the church. Which is why I brought up 'missionaries' because.. While technically the term may not be correct.. That's how I would consider it. Perhaps he was in the regional HQ for the mormon church or something. Not a whole lot of corporations in Montana.

At the end of the day.. This matters not. Because, who cares if he was or wasn't. Just looking to explain the odd movements.

2) My point was in agreeing with CD where she thinks it's most likely just a tragic accident / wandering off situation. Far, far, far too often, people look for things to explain away what is in front of them. Searching for straws so that there's hope.

Sometimes, a guy in a jogging suit is.. Just a jogger.

And I think, if this guy actually existed, which is.. Questionable. He is totally unrelated. Unfortunately, the most likely scenario, in my eyes, is that this poor little girl wandered off.. Got lost, and likely died of exposure within 48 hours. From there.. We have all kinds of wildlife that could drag the remains to locations that they will never be located.

Yusuke

02-27-2020, 08:11 PM

Far, far, far too often, people look for things to explain away what is in front of them. Searching for straws so that there's hope.

An abduction isn't anymore hopeful than dying from exposure or a wild animal attack. And suspecting an abduction isn't "grasping at straws" when her last whereabouts was of her interacting with a suspicious person.

Sometimes, a guy in a jogging suit is.. Just a jogger.

He was seen popping out behind trees by two girls and creeping one out with a simple greeting. Then a 6-year-old boy saw him tell her to "follow the shadow." Nothing indicative of him jogging except when Nyleen shouted "my brother can run faster than you!" but that was likely directed to the 13-year-old girl running.

And I think, if this guy actually existed, which is.. Questionable. He is totally unrelated.

Why would his existence be questionable? How can he TOTALLY be unrelated when he showed suspicious behavior (hiding from behind trees, telling Nyleen to "follow the shadow"). He "could be" unrelated, but "totally" is just pushing it.

dynoguy88

02-28-2020, 12:07 AM

I have always struggled over the thought of a bare foot 4 year old wandering off so far that none of the adults at the picnic and then eventual HUGE search parties could not find a trace of her. I just think she would have been found and not long after the search began. If Nyleen were say, 14 years old, then I would be more willing to accept her being able to walk out too far and die of exposure.

I would love to read the letter in full. It's at least 3-4 pages. We only saw half of one page and half of another on the UM segment. UM focused on the locations the letter writer traveled to and the rest of us, (by pausing our TV screens) saw the physical description of her as well as that...unfortunate sentence with the teaspoon of...you know. I've read online that there were accurate things about Nyleen mentioned in the letter that were NOT released to the public. If that is indeed true, you CANNOT write this off as death by exposure.

Evil can lurk everywhere, even in the most remote of locations. The Jacob Wetterling saga showed us that. It wouldn't have surprised me if the man, who the children already established as not being part of the group but interacting with them anyway, could have been behind this.

Yusuke

02-28-2020, 01:02 AM

I would love to read the letter in full. It's at least 3-4 pages. We only saw half of one page and half of another on the UM segment. UM focused on the locations the letter writer traveled to and the rest of us, (by pausing our TV screens) saw the physical description of her as well as that...unfortunate sentence with the teaspoon of...you know. I've read online that there were accurate things about Nyleen mentioned in the letter that were NOT released to the public. If that is indeed true, you CANNOT write this off as death by exposure.

The guy in Wisconsin knew things that weren't released to the general public. That could've come from anywhere like knowing a cop who worked on the case, knowing the family, knowing the extended family, etc. I've seen someone spin that as "things only the kidnapper would know," which is quite a stretch.

I believe someone took her too, but I don't think the letters are the strongest piece of evidence for that.

Sundance

02-28-2020, 11:15 AM

An abduction isn't anymore hopeful than dying from exposure or a wild animal attack. And suspecting an abduction isn't "grasping at straws" when her last whereabouts was of her interacting with a suspicious person.

He was seen popping out behind trees by two girls and creeping one out with a simple greeting. Then a 6-year-old boy saw him tell her to "follow the shadow." Nothing indicative of him jogging except when Nyleen shouted "my brother can run faster than you!" but that was likely directed to the 13-year-old girl running.

Why would his existence be questionable? How can he TOTALLY be unrelated when he showed suspicious behavior (hiding from behind trees, telling Nyleen to "follow the shadow"). He "could be" unrelated, but "totally" is just pushing it.
His existence is questionable because the story comes days later from children.

Labonte18

02-28-2020, 02:14 PM

His existence is questionable because the story comes days later from children.

Exactly.

There has been much attention given to a possible sighting of a strange man in a jogging suit near the picnic area around the time when the man went missing. I was surprised to find not much mention of him in the articles around the time Nyleen went missing. In fact, in the days after the disappearance this was reported in the newspaper: “Officials said Tuesday that any chances of foul play or kidnapping had been ruled out because the area was so isolated and those attending the exercise were mostly close friends of the family.” It was only 5 days later that 2 very young children came forward and said that they saw one man near the area in a jogging suit they didn’t recognize. I couldn’t find any accounts of adult sightings of this unknown man however.

It's things like this that make me really like CD's posts on cases like this. If you read current accounts.. Everyone is fixated on the man in the jogging suit. But.. You go back and look at the articles from the timeframe.. And there's hardly any mention.

What does that mean? In general, it means someone who writes blog posts, or does a news piece on a case needed to punch it up some. "oh, the girl went missing? Ok, let's play up the guy in a jogging suit angle so that it's more interesting. More interesting = More Ratings". These people do a great disservice.

Then.. people who see that, take the spin as gospel.. and suddenly, everyone's fixated and looking for a guy in a jogging suit who.. Perhaps
or probably.. Never even existed in the first place.

This is where CD did such a great job on this posting.. Not that it hasn't been a great job on the others as well. But.. The BS was cut through. The hype to get ratings was removed and a very factual and accurate blog posting was done. Which, to me, is the most important thing.

As for the whole 'keeping hope alive'.. absolutely an abduction leaves, at least some, hope. Believing someone was abducted leaves the chance, no matter how slim, they are still alive. Believing that they died of exposure or an animal attack.. There's no hope there. Kinda like, if you have the dead body of the person in front of you.. Hope is gone at that point. How this is difficult to understand I don't know.

I'll also point out another passage in CD's post.

In fact, Lewis & Clark County Search Coordinator Ralph DeCunzon was quoted in a newspaper article as saying: “undergrowth in the area was so thick that searchers could have walked past the child and not seen her”.

Yusuke

02-29-2020, 02:32 AM

His existence is questionable because the story comes days later from children.

Reluctant witnesses are common, especially if they fear the guy in the jogging suit will come after them. And they also have the possibility of the search turning up Nyleen to fall back on, but they kept getting empty handed.

It's things like this that make me really like CD's posts on cases like this. If you read current accounts.. Everyone is fixated on the man in the jogging suit. But.. You go back and look at the articles from the timeframe.. And there's hardly any mention.

The first wave of news articles wanted to be about the search that was in effect at that time. The guy in the jogging suit leads were fresh, so they were probably withheld for obvious reasons. And the initial rule out of foul play doesn't undermine my argument since LE now takes an abduction into strong consideration (Tim Campbell and Ralph DeCunzo believing there was an abduction).

What does that mean? In general, it means someone who writes blog posts, or does a news piece on a case needed to punch it up some. "oh, the girl went missing? Ok, let's play up the guy in a jogging suit angle so that it's more interesting. More interesting = More Ratings". These people do a great disservice.

Then.. people who see that, take the spin as gospel.. and suddenly, everyone's fixated and looking for a guy in a jogging suit who.. Perhaps
or probably.. Never even existed in the first place.

Yes, I know journalists spin things for ratings. Yes, I know people who go missing in forest probably got lost or attacked by a wild animal. How do these undermine the guy in the jogging suit? How is pointing out children saw her with a strange person a disservice? Is it also disservice to Morgan Nick's case they bring up the redneck she talked to? Is it because it goes against the narrative it has to be death by exposure?

Give me an example of blogs, articles, etc. that spun the guy in the jogging suit angle. Unsolved Mysteries? That was playing up the Wisconsin guy, even suggesting a connection between that and the reported "sightings."

This is where CD did such a great job on this posting.. Not that it hasn't been a great job on the others as well. But.. The BS was cut through. The hype to get ratings was removed and a very factual and accurate blog posting was done. Which, to me, is the most important thing.

I don't think it was bad either, and in fact, it's one of the best pieces on Nyleen's case along with that 2018 Reddit post. It's so far the most informative piece on Nancy's death. But I have to disagree with her opinion on Nyleen wandering off.

As for the whole 'keeping hope alive'.. absolutely an abduction leaves, at least some, hope. Believing someone was abducted leaves the chance, no matter how slim, they are still alive. Believing that they died of exposure or an animal attack.. There's no hope there. Kinda like, if you have the dead body of the person in front of you.. Hope is gone at that point. How this is difficult to understand I don't know.

You do have bit of a point, but the hope Nancy had hinges on Nyleen being raised by an apparent pedophile.

I'll also point out another passage in CD's post.

I already read that in the newspaper clipping itself. It doesn't go against the idea of an abduction.

GDAWG

03-05-2020, 04:10 PM

So I was watching a new video on the Sodder Children on YouTube and one of the people in the comments said something to the affect that the remaining Sodder child should have put her DNA into a database to find out if she had any nieces or nephews that she didn't know about. The fact that she hasn't done that leads to me think that her missing siblings were deceased before they had any children. Perhaps her children will do that instead.

Huskerz85

03-10-2020, 11:49 AM

crystaldawn

04-14-2020, 04:02 PM

Exactly.

It's things like this that make me really like CD's posts on cases like this. If you read current accounts.. Everyone is fixated on the man in the jogging suit. But.. You go back and look at the articles from the timeframe.. And there's hardly any mention.

What does that mean? In general, it means someone who writes blog posts, or does a news piece on a case needed to punch it up some. "oh, the girl went missing? Ok, let's play up the guy in a jogging suit angle so that it's more interesting. More interesting = More Ratings". These people do a great disservice.

Then.. people who see that, take the spin as gospel.. and suddenly, everyone's fixated and looking for a guy in a jogging suit who.. Perhaps
or probably.. Never even existed in the first place.

This is where CD did such a great job on this posting.. Not that it hasn't been a great job on the others as well. But.. The BS was cut through. The hype to get ratings was removed and a very factual and accurate blog posting was done. Which, to me, is the most important thing.

I really appreciated this comment Labonte!! It is so true! UM and others will take one particular incident and focus on it, sometimes to an exclusion of everything else. All the facts need to be presented and theorize from there. Thanks again!!

For anyone who is interested, I recently was interviewed about my Christi Nichols blog for the Unfound podcast. Here is a link:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/ed-dentzel/unfound

Also I'll be posting my next article VERY soon. It's a very frequently talked about UM case. I have spoken with a relative and have so much more information than was revealed on UM. Stay tuned.....:eek:

freakbook

04-14-2020, 10:58 PM

crystaldawn

04-15-2020, 04:53 PM

Listening now, good interview CD!

Thank you freakbook! :blush:

freakbook

04-15-2020, 05:36 PM

Thank you freakbook! :blush:

Please cover Aileen Conway someday

Labonte18

04-15-2020, 06:31 PM

I really appreciated this comment Labonte!! It is so true! UM and others will take one particular incident and focus on it, sometimes to an exclusion of everything else. All the facts need to be presented and theorize from there. Thanks again!!

For anyone who is interested, I recently was interviewed about my Christi Nichols blog for the Unfound podcast. Here is a link:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/ed-dentzel/unfound

Also I'll be posting my next article VERY soon. It's a very frequently talked about UM case. I have spoken with a relative and have so much more information than was revealed on UM. Stay tuned.....:eek:

Meant it totally. You present all sides with good facts and do an outstanding job of not leading the reader, leaving it to them to make their own decisions.

Obviously, you have your own opinions, and i'd be lying if I said they never come through in your writing, but they're subdued and when they're not you point them out yourself, instead of presenting them as fact.

There's also the point to be made that you don't particularly seem to be either of the two general types of people fascinated by these cases. My view on it, you have the skeptic.. I put myself leaning towards that category, though not fully in it. I generally look for the simplest explanation and go with it. A girl who disappears in the forest is far more likely to have wandered off and gotten lost than been abducted.

Then you have the other extreme, where there's a boogeyman behind every tree. Some people lean that direction. You really hit right in the middle.. And that's a very hard thing to do.

The sheer amount of research you do as well.. Lord have mercy. Absolute top notch. You turn over stones that I would never have considered looking at, much less under.

crystaldawn

04-19-2020, 01:00 PM

As far as Ayleen Conway, Freakbook, she would be at the top of my list to write about. Unfortunately I did reach out to one of her children and she was very nice, but declined to talk about her mother's case. She said anytime anything comes out about it, it just creates problem. So I am not doing it out of respect for them. Honestly, there is literally nothing about the case out there so without their help I would just be repeating the UM segment, nothing more.

crystaldawn

04-19-2020, 01:03 PM

The sheer amount of research you do as well.. Lord have mercy. Absolute top notch. You turn over stones that I would never have considered looking at, much less under.

Thank you so much! That is such a wonderful compliment to me!!!

I have been in contact with someone recently who was able to give me even more information about Nyleen's case. I promised I would keep this person's name out of it but I do plan on editing my blog and putting a lot more info in. Stay tuned!!

But in the meantime, here is the one I'm sure all you hardcore UM fans can't wait to read. Finally writing one about Charlotte Pollis!! Here you go:

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/charlotte-pollis-a-clean-getaway

Killarney Rose

04-19-2020, 01:46 PM

Another excellent article. Love the title. Your blog posts just confirms what most believe-that Paul and his family got away with murder.

freakbook

04-19-2020, 02:33 PM

But in the meantime, here is the one I'm sure all you hardcore UM fans can't wait to read. Finally writing one about Charlotte Pollis!! Here you go:

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/charlotte-pollis-a-clean-getaway

"A clean getaway"

Pun intended? :lol::lol:

crystaldawn

04-19-2020, 03:46 PM

"A clean getaway"

Pun intended? :lol::lol:

Of course...:D

LooksLikeCRicci

04-21-2020, 11:33 AM

He likes a clean house, y'all....

freakbook

04-21-2020, 11:41 AM

He likes a clean house, y'all....

A clean house, and a messy life. He's a man of many taste

Labonte18

04-21-2020, 03:54 PM

My questions, after reading...

Paul's parents still alive, still living at the same house? It'd be pricey.. But probably very cathartic for Ali to have that floor dug up and see what's there. Wouldn't bet on the police doing it.

What, if anything, has the son had to say through the years of what happened that night? He's.. Strangely absent in the story.. Is he estranged from the Nagi family?

When did Paul's father stop being the coroner? How much access to the PD and evidence did he have?

Something that bugs me about the timeline.. The family spoke to Charlotte at 1:30am.. Neighbors said that Paul's parents were there all night. Which you would think mean they were there at 1:30am.. After all.. Neighbors generally would see the car there at 10pm, see it there at 6am, assume it was there all night, right? Generally don't see people sticking their head out at 2am and 4am.. There's other explanations here, but.. That's curious.

The kids, if they weren't out with Paul, had to be at the house. All through the (apparent) murder AND cleanup? Wouldn't you think the grandparents might.. You know.. Get them the hell out?

It's unfortunate that Ali is in bad health. He seems to be the only one that really cares.

crystaldawn

06-14-2020, 11:44 AM

TheCars1986

06-15-2020, 08:08 AM

Hey been a while guys but here is my latest blog entry. A very well known UM segment so here's a link if you want to check it out!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/elizabeth-campbell-trafficked-or-tragedy

Great article!

I did some mapping of the points in question, starting with the approximate spot of where her boyfriend lived, and then where she was picked up at around CTC, then the 7-Eleven she was dropped off at in Copperas Cove, then to the city where she lived, and then where her purse was found. She was headed in a westerly direction, and whoever abducted her appears to have also been traveling westward since her purse was dumped so far away from her home. You can see the map here (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/1408+E+Rancier+Ave,+Killeen,+TX+76541/Central+Texas+College,+West+Central+Texas+Expressway,+Killeen,+TX/2411+E+U.S.+Hwy+190,+Copperas+Cove,+TX+76522/Lampasas,+TX/Ozona,+TX/@31.0833666,-106.5459136,6.5z/data=!4m32!4m31!1m5!1m1!1s0x86454bf58cf2a207:0xecade88f06abb098!2m2!1d-97.7160212!2d31.122618!1m5!1m1!1s0x865ab3616fff2bc7:0x13d9e9de79bdd30f!2m2!1d-97.81087!2d31.120486!1m5!1m1!1s0x865ab759692ee93f:0x16c3291dfc492382!2m2!1d-97.9549261!2d31.0931336!1m5!1m1!1s0x865a90ecb364f8c9:0x871ca554a359b5bc!2m2!1d-98.1816957!2d31.063784!1m5!1m1!1s0x86f713c2d3002219:0x47d0019c6ac71610!2m2!1d-101.2013819!2d30.7022249!3e0).

crystaldawn

06-15-2020, 04:53 PM

Great article!

I did some mapping of the points in question, starting with the approximate spot of where her boyfriend lived, and then where she was picked up at around CTC, then the 7-Eleven she was dropped off at in Copperas Cove, then to the city where she lived, and then where her purse was found. She was headed in a westerly direction, and whoever abducted her appears to have also been traveling westward since her purse was dumped so far away from her home. You can see the map here (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/1408+E+Rancier+Ave,+Killeen,+TX+76541/Central+Texas+College,+West+Central+Texas+Expressway,+Killeen,+TX/2411+E+U.S.+Hwy+190,+Copperas+Cove,+TX+76522/Lampasas,+TX/Ozona,+TX/@31.0833666,-106.5459136,6.5z/data=!4m32!4m31!1m5!1m1!1s0x86454bf58cf2a207:0xecade88f06abb098!2m2!1d-97.7160212!2d31.122618!1m5!1m1!1s0x865ab3616fff2bc7:0x13d9e9de79bdd30f!2m2!1d-97.81087!2d31.120486!1m5!1m1!1s0x865ab759692ee93f:0x16c3291dfc492382!2m2!1d-97.9549261!2d31.0931336!1m5!1m1!1s0x865a90ecb364f8c9:0x871ca554a359b5bc!2m2!1d-98.1816957!2d31.063784!1m5!1m1!1s0x86f713c2d3002219:0x47d0019c6ac71610!2m2!1d-101.2013819!2d30.7022249!3e0).

Thank you! It's interesting to see it on a map the various points that night. Definitely seems like someone just discarded the purse as they were headed away from the area where Elizabeth last seen.

The one thing I don't understand is why the police have narrowed down the time frame when it was turned in from April 1988-Jan 1989 but still don't seem to have any who idea who turned it in or any other details.

Labonte18

06-18-2020, 06:35 PM

Thank you! It's interesting to see it on a map the various points that night. Definitely seems like someone just discarded the purse as they were headed away from the area where Elizabeth last seen.

The one thing I don't understand is why the police have narrowed down the time frame when it was turned in from April 1988-Jan 1989 but still don't seem to have any who idea who turned it in or any other details.

Someone turns in a wallet saying it was found on the street.. Your mind doesn't immediately go to "This person was kidnapped". And you don't interrogate Good Samaritans.

I agree overall that she's likely dead.. Method and reason are open to various interpretations and I can't disprove any of them. This is a rare case where I actually leave a little more wiggle room open to the 'abducted for a sex slave' angle due to the Asian ethnicity, but.. Not alot more.

I figure she got a ride from the wrong guy. Especially as it seems she had no issues accepting rides from strangers.

Looks like another 'plane crash' case to me. Planes don't crash because of one thing. It takes a whole series of things, all going wrong, for a plane crash to happen. Same here. Any one thing going differently, Elizabeth is likely still alive and with her family.

Allierain

06-21-2020, 11:53 PM

Hey been a while guys but here is my latest blog entry. A very well known UM segment so here's a link if you want to check it out!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/elizabeth-campbell-trafficked-or-tragedy

I gotta say, CD, your blog is one of the best. Your entries are always very well researched, and often you have more information than what was used in the related segment (including pictures too!) Thank you for helping to keep these cases alive so they can be solved one day.

crystaldawn

07-09-2020, 06:06 PM

I gotta say, CD, your blog is one of the best. Your entries are always very well researched, and often you have more information than what was used in the related segment (including pictures too!) Thank you for helping to keep these cases alive so they can be solved one day.

Thank you so much Allierain! That really means a lot. ❤️

Fletch

07-09-2020, 08:04 PM

Great job as usual, CD.

“As far as my thoughts on this case, sadly I don’t think Elizabeth is alive. I think she died shortly after her disappearance.”

I definitely agree with that. I was never convinced by those alleged sightings. It kind of reminds me of the Keri Lynn Nixon sightings were people were convinced it was Keri and of course we all know the outcome there. I’m sure Elizabeth is resting somewhere in that vicinity but sadly she will probably never be found. I just hope her Mom does at some point open that present before she passes away so she at least gets to have that “moment” with Elizabeth.

crystaldawn

09-13-2020, 04:40 PM

It's been a little while but here is my latest blog post. I'm sure many of you are familiar with "Sharon Marshall" and Franklin Delano Floyd. A lot of developments have happened since the UM segment so I tried to navigate through this complicated case.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/sharon-marshall-a-light-in-the-darkness

Labonte18

09-14-2020, 11:23 AM

Killarney Rose

09-14-2020, 01:02 PM

As usual, another great article!

GDAWG

09-17-2020, 01:18 AM

dynoguy88

09-17-2020, 09:13 AM

A couple years back, we learned that Suzanne's (Sharon's) mother spent 30 days in jail in 1975 for writing some bad checks. That was when Floyd took off with Sharon and her other kids. The mother never saw her again.

On UM, when Floyd is asked how Sharon came into his life as a little girl, he says....

"I very bluntly say that she was abandoned to me and I raised her. If I actually told you or could prove it to you, you know what you'd do? You'd try to pin a medal on me for taking her. I'm going to tell you right now, I did her a favor."

For anyone who has read the book about this case, you know that just several years before abducting Sharon, Floyd did a surprisingly short stint in prison for abducting a 3 year old girl out of a bowling alley and brutally raping her. So knowing what we know now and seeing that response from Floyd on UM could leave the average person speechless; the fact that the toddler rapist was so disgusted with a woman for writing a couple bad checks that he abducted her daughter in order to "save" her.

Labonte18

09-17-2020, 01:35 PM

Is he still alive?

Actually, he is. On death row in Florida, I believe.

Had to look it up myself.. I thought he had done himself in recently.

crystaldawn

12-13-2020, 11:53 AM

freakbook

12-13-2020, 06:33 PM

Here is my latest article and based on an UM segment that is probably in my top 5 of cases that stick with me. The unbelievably strange case of Judy Smith.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/judy-smith-traveling-or-troubled

Great write up CD. I'm surprised I never saw this segment, very bizarre.

As I was reading the article I was thinking that maybe her and her husband got into a big argument while she was in Philadelphia and she went to NC to blow off steam, but unfortunately I think she was either having a mental breakdown or perhaps early symptoms of memory loss (dementia)

You said in your article that "I don’t think Judy had amnesia as she told people some accurate information about herself" while true she also tried to take a child in a department store that she thought was her daughter but wasn't

Her murder was bizarre as it wasn't a robbery as she had all of her money on her so I wonder if it was the work of a random killer or if she surprised a random camper and they attacked her? Not sure

JC1957

12-14-2020, 12:05 AM

Labonte18

12-14-2020, 08:04 PM

Great write up CD. I'm surprised I never saw this segment, very bizarre.

As I was reading the article I was thinking that maybe her and her husband got into a big argument while she was in Philadelphia and she went to NC to blow off steam, but unfortunately I think she was either having a mental breakdown or perhaps early symptoms of memory loss (dementia)

You said in your article that "I don’t think Judy had amnesia as she told people some accurate information about herself" while true she also tried to take a child in a department store that she thought was her daughter but wasn't

Her murder was bizarre as it wasn't a robbery as she had all of her money on her so I wonder if it was the work of a random killer or if she surprised a random camper and they attacked her? Not sure

Wow.. Really? Maybe this one just sticks with me more as she was found relatively close to me (Upstate SC vs Western NC)

But I remember this case, and.. Before I've read CD's article, which I am very keen to do.. I think she ran and encountered someone who killed her. This smells to me like a pre-internet internet case if you know what I mean. Long distance correspondence with the wrong person.

I don't think she randomly wound up in Western NC. I think she knew someone there who she was leaving her husband for. So, my guess here is an intentional disappearance that turned into a murder.

freakbook

12-14-2020, 08:42 PM

Wow.. Really? Maybe this one just sticks with me more as she was found relatively close to me (Upstate SC vs Western NC)

But I remember this case, and.. Before I've read CD's article, which I am very keen to do.. I think she ran and encountered someone who killed her. This smells to me like a pre-internet internet case if you know what I mean. Long distance correspondence with the wrong person.

I don't think she randomly wound up in Western NC. I think she knew someone there who she was leaving her husband for. So, my guess here is an intentional disappearance that turned into a murder.

Perhaps you're right. Maybe I missed some stuff as I've never seen the segment and I've only read CD's article on it, but her forgetting her license, and trying to take a child that wasn't hers who she thought was her daughter seemed like memory loss/mental disorder to me

There is the possibility that she went on her own accord without meeting anyone. Perhaps she left her license on purpose so she wouldn't have to go to the conference as she had plans to go hiking alone while her husband was at the conference. Maybe she had money stashed away that no one knew about and used that to purchase a rental car. There were multiple sightings of her driving alone with a car full of bags and boxes. Maybe she wasn't suffering from any mental disorder but simply wanted to get away on her own and did. Maybe she was stressed/fighting with her husband and used money she had hidden to finance her hiking trip while her husband was at the conference and she was murdered by someone on the camping ground for whatever reason

Labonte18

12-15-2020, 02:15 PM

Perhaps you're right. Maybe I missed some stuff as I've never seen the segment and I've only read CD's article on it, but her forgetting her license, and trying to take a child that wasn't hers who she thought was her daughter seemed like memory loss/mental disorder to me

There is the possibility that she went on her own accord without meeting anyone. Perhaps she left her license on purpose so she wouldn't have to go to the conference as she had plans to go hiking alone while her husband was at the conference. Maybe she had money stashed away that no one knew about and used that to purchase a rental car. There were multiple sightings of her driving alone with a car full of bags and boxes. Maybe she wasn't suffering from any mental disorder but simply wanted to get away on her own and did. Maybe she was stressed/fighting with her husband and used money she had hidden to finance her hiking trip while her husband was at the conference and she was murdered by someone on the camping ground for whatever reason

Perhaps the license was her plan, but she chickened out. When she got to Philly.. She pulled the trigger.

The only real question that throws holes in my theory, or at least the one I can think of. Is the question of how she got from Boston to NC. Sorry.. Backwards on that. Philly to NC.

CD brings up a good point that I hadn't considered.. Could the confusion have been some kind of manifestation of an early onset Alzehimers or similar?

I still lean more towards she knew someone there. The money.. I'm sorry, how do you make it from Philly to the mountains of Western NC and spend nothing? There had to have been assistance or she had money that noone knew about.

freakbook

12-15-2020, 04:04 PM

Perhaps the license was her plan, but she chickened out. When she got to Philly.. She pulled the trigger.

The only real question that throws holes in my theory, or at least the one I can think of. Is the question of how she got from Boston to NC. Sorry.. Backwards on that. Philly to NC.

CD brings up a good point that I hadn't considered.. Could the confusion have been some kind of manifestation of an early onset Alzehimers or similar?

I still lean more towards she knew someone there. The money.. I'm sorry, how do you make it from Philly to the mountains of Western NC and spend nothing? There had to have been assistance or she had money that noone knew about.

The problem I have with her meeting someone there is that there were multiple sightings of her alone in stores and "driving in a car full of bags and boxes" as described by other witnesses. Not once has anyone recalled seeing her with anyone else. Maybe she had plans to meet someone there but I think she traveled there alone

I think she may have had extra money stashed somewhere that her family didn't know about. Perhaps she had extra cash or a credit card that she used to rent a car with and it was stashed in her red bag that was missing

mikewho

12-15-2020, 04:26 PM

Looks great so far and will be a nice resource

Labonte18

12-15-2020, 05:31 PM

The problem I have with her meeting someone there is that there were multiple sightings of her alone in stores and "driving in a car full of bags and boxes" as described by other witnesses. Not once has anyone recalled seeing her with anyone else. Maybe she had plans to meet someone there but I think she traveled there alone

I think she may have had extra money stashed somewhere that her family didn't know about. Perhaps she had extra cash or a credit card that she used to rent a car with and it was stashed in her red bag that was missing

And.. if we want to poke holes in that.. Even in '96.. It was pretty damn difficult to travel under an assumed name. So.. let's say she did have the CC under a different address that the husband/rest of family wouldn't know about... Eventually the CC company is going to start looking for their money.

Can't rent a car with cash.. Though you certainly could travel by bus with it.. So, your thought does have ways that it could work. Air travel.. I don't see any way at all.

Seeing as they were only married 5 months, even after dating for 10 years.. I'd be interested to know who came up with the idea to get married. Him or her? Could we have a situation here where she felt pressured to marry him? Not trying to be offensive here, but I certainly could see a situation where he asked her to marry him, she laughed it off, and finally, he keeps asking and she feels trapped that if she rejects him, she'll look like some horrible person but she really doesn't want to get married. After 5 months, she just can't take it anymore.

You know, there's some of these cases where you can just sit there and take some theories and go.. No. You can say it's possible, but SUCH a long shot.. This one.. there's very little that you can reject like that. The only things we really can are that she flew from Philly to Asheville. I see no way she could have flown and not been tracked.

So.. She had to drive/be driven/train/bus travel.. or hitchhike, which.. I just don't buy that.

To me, that would be a huge clue. I think if you can track how she got to NC.. Many of the other pieces fall into place. Who killed her? Maybe not, but it would answer almost every other question.

freakbook

12-15-2020, 07:39 PM

And.. if we want to poke holes in that.. Even in '96.. It was pretty damn difficult to travel under an assumed name. So.. let's say she did have the CC under a different address that the husband/rest of family wouldn't know about... Eventually the CC company is going to start looking for their money.

Can't rent a car with cash.. Though you certainly could travel by bus with it.. So, your thought does have ways that it could work. Air travel.. I don't see any way at all.

Seeing as they were only married 5 months, even after dating for 10 years.. I'd be interested to know who came up with the idea to get married. Him or her? Could we have a situation here where she felt pressured to marry him? Not trying to be offensive here, but I certainly could see a situation where he asked her to marry him, she laughed it off, and finally, he keeps asking and she feels trapped that if she rejects him, she'll look like some horrible person but she really doesn't want to get married. After 5 months, she just can't take it anymore.

You know, there's some of these cases where you can just sit there and take some theories and go.. No. You can say it's possible, but SUCH a long shot.. This one.. there's very little that you can reject like that. The only things we really can are that she flew from Philly to Asheville. I see no way she could have flown and not been tracked.

So.. She had to drive/be driven/train/bus travel.. or hitchhike, which.. I just don't buy that.

To me, that would be a huge clue. I think if you can track how she got to NC.. Many of the other pieces fall into place. Who killed her? Maybe not, but it would answer almost every other question.

A few people said they saw her drive, she even asked if a guard if she could sleep in her car in the park at night so she had to have gotten a vehicle from somewhere. The question would be where?

I don't know if she got a rental car under an assumed name, she gave someone the cash to get it, not sure but she was definitely seen driving around NC. Only possibilities that come to mind were that she rented, borrowed, bought a car in philly and drove to NC, or she took a train/bus to NC and acquired a car there somehow.

The problem I have with her meeting another man was that her wedding ring was still on her finger. Not sure you'd go have an affair with a wedding ring still on, unless she forgot to take it off and it triggered the man she was meeting with

freakbook

12-15-2020, 07:55 PM

Actually now that I think about it was there any confirmation that she was actually in Philly?

Labonte18

12-16-2020, 12:49 AM

A few people said they saw her drive, she even asked if a guard if she could sleep in her car in the park at night so she had to have gotten a vehicle from somewhere. The question would be where?

I don't know if she got a rental car under an assumed name, she gave someone the cash to get it, not sure but she was definitely seen driving around NC. Only possibilities that come to mind were that she rented, borrowed, bought a car in philly and drove to NC, or she took a train/bus to NC and acquired a car there somehow.

The problem I have with her meeting another man was that her wedding ring was still on her finger. Not sure you'd go have an affair with a wedding ring still on, unless she forgot to take it off and it triggered the man she was meeting with

If the car was rental.. And she was killed while renting.. They would have gone looking for it. If she bought it.. Sooner or later the car would have been towed, though I suppose it's POSSIBLE it was registered under a false name.. Not easy to do. If she borrowed it.. Someone would have gone to get it back. The only person who wouldn't raise a stink about a missing car? The person who killed her. Because he'd know exactly where it was. Which we loop back to her knowing someone there.

Fair point about the wedding band.

But, if she didn't go there for someone she knew or 'knew' if we lend any credence to my other lover theory.. How the hell? I mean, Asheville now is something of a tourist destination. Back then.. Not so much. I mean, noone outside of the area had really ever heard of Maggie Valley.. They'd generally wind up over in Sevierville and Gatlinburg, TN. I know she had been to NC before, but my understanding was that she had visited the Charlotte area. And Charlotte is worlds away (Though only an hour and a half or so) from the Western NC mountains.

I mean, we want to.. We can say she ran across some moonshiners out in the woods and they killed her. The running into moonshiners is very possible there. (Read up on Popcorn Sutton who is from there) But.. They're usually not the killin' kind.

Actually now that I think about it was there any confirmation that she was actually in Philly?

This was a question in the beginning. The husband was considered a suspect because the police couldn't really prove she had ever gotten to Philly. But with all the sightings of her there.. It's at least generally accepted that yes, she was really in Philly. For at least several days.

freakbook

12-16-2020, 09:50 AM

But, if she didn't go there for someone she knew or 'knew' if we lend any credence to my other lover theory.. How the hell? I mean, Asheville now is something of a tourist destination. Back then.. Not so much. I mean, noone outside of the area had really ever heard of Maggie Valley.. They'd generally wind up over in Sevierville and Gatlinburg, TN. I know she had been to NC before, but my understanding was that she had visited the Charlotte area. And Charlotte is worlds away (Though only an hour and a half or so) from the Western NC mountains.

So I just watched the segment for the first time, and the only mysterious thing about this case is her killer. Her friend pretty much confirmed what I was thinking in that Judy had planned this getaway before they left for Philly and had left her license on purpose so she didn't have to go with Jeff initially.

I believe that Judy had planned a getaway of her own accord (perhaps she wanted to travel alone because she just wanted space to be alone) and she left her license on purpose so she could plan her trip to NC from Philly. I'm not sure how she paid for the car, but I believe she reserved the car sometime before leaving to Philly.

After she had her plans and destination mapped out, she flew to Philly to appease Jeff and then ditched him to follow out her plans when she went "sightseeing" (she already had this planned in advance)

She then got a car in Philly or NC and traveled alone as was reported by multiple eyewitnesses who claimed that she was alone and alert. I don't believe that Judy had any mental issues whatsoever.

Then she met someone while hiking who attacked her, or was attacked randomly by someone on the area.

I think she planned all of this and didn't suffer from a mental illness and the only mysterious thing is who killed her

This just seems like a case of someone who wasn't very happy or felt smothered and wanted some time alone to travel and be by herself but possibly felt like her husband would object to that so she planned it behind his back so they wouldn't have to argue about it and unfortunately ended up murdered

Gelatinous Goo

12-16-2020, 10:33 AM

If the car was rental.. And she was killed while renting.. They would have gone looking for it. If she bought it.. Sooner or later the car would have been towed, though I suppose it's POSSIBLE it was registered under a false name.. Not easy to do. If she borrowed it.. Someone would have gone to get it back. The only person who wouldn't raise a stink about a missing car? The person who killed her. Because he'd know exactly where it was. Which we loop back to her knowing someone there.

Exactly. Where is the car? Where are all these bags and boxes? I wouldn't be surprised if the woman in the car was just mistaken identity. It can only be that option or what you're describing above.

I'd lean towards it being a doppelganger, much like that mentally ill lady with outdated glasses whose image has been painted on the backs of tractor trailers nationwide. There were numerous reports of a lady fitting her description all up and down the east coast who even supposedly answered to the same name. Photos were even taken; it certainly looked like her. It took authorities years to finally catch up with this lady. It wasn't the same woman. I suspect the doppelganger theory with all the Patricia Meehan sightings as well.

freakbook

12-16-2020, 10:37 AM

Exactly. Where is the car? Where are all these bags and boxes? I wouldn't be surprised if the woman in the car was just mistaken identity. It can only be that option or what you're describing above.

Perhaps her killer stole it. Her red bag was missing so I'm wondering if it was in the car?

She was wearing new clothes her family haven't seen before so she must've went shopping at some point.

Labonte18

12-16-2020, 03:02 PM

Perhaps her killer stole it. Her red bag was missing so I'm wondering if it was in the car?

She was wearing new clothes her family haven't seen before so she must've went shopping at some point.

I believe there were possible sightings of her in New Jersey shopping for clothes in the days after her disappearance.

But then, also.. How long was she in Western NC before being killed? If she 'escaped' to there and that's where she was going to make her life.. ok.. The part about he sleeping in the car makes some sense. She just got there, nowhere to stay.. It's April.. Weather could still be cool there, but probably no issue spending a night in a car. (I haven't heard this, about her sleeping in the car, at least I don't remember it, so just going off what you had said)

She had on hiking gear. Or at least, the clothes suggest she was hiking. She was in a hotel, supposedly, from the 10th to 12th of April. Hotel should have had good surveillance. They should have been able to see how she got there. Which leads to a car.. Which, hopefully, should have led to answers. Hotel should have had records.. Did she register under her name? Unless it was a fleabag hotel, she probably had to pay with a credit card. What card did she use?

We have none of that.. Is it because it wasn't done? bad policework? or, are these the details the cops are keeping in their back pocket that 'only the killer would know'?

THAT, often, can be one of the biggest hurdles for us amateur sleuths. And, I understand why it's done. But, sometimes, things like this wind up making huge conspiracy theories.

freakbook

12-16-2020, 04:37 PM

She just got there, nowhere to stay.. It's April.. Weather could still be cool there, but probably no issue spending a night in a car. (I haven't heard this, about her sleeping in the car, at least I don't remember it, so just going off what you had said)

I got that from Crystal Dawn's blog:

"The police started an investigation and it was reported there were sightings of Judy Smith around Asheville in the days after she had went missing from Philadelphia. Two of the sightings strangely said Judy was driving a gray sedan filled with boxes and bags. One sighting was near the campground where her remains were found. The woman asked if she could spend the night there in her car. When she was told she could not, she left the area.
"

If she 'escaped' to there and that's where she was going to make her life.. ok.. The part about he sleeping in the car makes some sense.

I don't think she was going to make her life there. I think she went for a brief vacation just to getaway. She seemed close with her daughter, and was still wearing her wedding ring. I think this was just a temporary getaway.

Labonte18

12-16-2020, 06:23 PM

I got that from Crystal Dawn's blog:

"The police started an investigation and it was reported there were sightings of Judy Smith around Asheville in the days after she had went missing from Philadelphia. Two of the sightings strangely said Judy was driving a gray sedan filled with boxes and bags. One sighting was near the campground where her remains were found. The woman asked if she could spend the night there in her car. When she was told she could not, she left the area.
"

I don't think she was going to make her life there. I think she went for a brief vacation just to getaway. She seemed close with her daughter, and was still wearing her wedding ring. I think this was just a temporary getaway.

Ah.. Ok.. Well, I can get behind the 'getaway' idea.. That ran through my head as well. But if that's the case.. That takes my estimation of her as a person overall WAY down.

freakbook

12-16-2020, 09:35 PM

But if that's the case.. That takes my estimation of her as a person overall WAY down.

It actually makes me question her husband's character more than hers. Why would a grown woman feel as though she has to basically run away just to travel alone? An over-bearing husband.

It's possible that her husband was over-bearing and smothering and she probably knew that he would reject the idea of her going hiking alone, and probably pressured her into going to the conference even if she didn't want to

Labonte18

12-17-2020, 04:12 PM

It actually makes me question her husband's character more than hers. Why would a grown woman feel as though she has to basically run away just to travel alone? An over-bearing husband.

It's possible that her husband was over-bearing and smothering and she probably knew that he would reject the idea of her going hiking alone, and probably pressured her into going to the conference even if she didn't want to

I'm the opposite.. I'm with you up until the part about running away and not telling your other family or anything. That's just a crap move.

That's saying I don't care if he gets worried, I don't care if my family worries about me. I could understand it SLIGHTLY more if he were beating her, she feared for her safety.. But.. That certainly doesn't appear to be the case here.. From the sound of it, there was no physical abuse and she'd have just had to take ten steps to get away from it if there were.

freakbook

12-18-2020, 10:20 AM

I'm the opposite.. I'm with you up until the part about running away and not telling your other family or anything. That's just a crap move.

That's saying I don't care if he gets worried, I don't care if my family worries about me. I could understand it SLIGHTLY more if he were beating her, she feared for her safety.. But.. That certainly doesn't appear to be the case here.. From the sound of it, there was no physical abuse and she'd have just had to take ten steps to get away from it if there were.

Generally I'd agree, but in the segment it said that her and her husband had been fighting alot so she might've just wanted some alone time without fighting. Perhaps she thought that if she told her daughter that she'd let it leak out to her husband and he'd be down there trying to get her back home

Also she could've been facing major depression and figured people would try to stop her from leaving. I agree that she was inconsiderate to not let her family know, but I think there's a reason why she didn't

I don't know how her mental state was or what she was going through at the time so I can't say I think bad about her as a person

crystaldawn

01-31-2021, 12:57 PM

Here is my latest article. It wasn't featured on Unsolved Mysteries, but honestly it would have been the perfect case for them to cover. What started out as a surprising missing persons case, years later would have an ending that absolutely no one expected or could believe. Check it out!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/david-glenn-lewis-cross-country-conundrum

Killarney Rose

01-31-2021, 01:23 PM

Thank you for posting your blog. Your posts are always so well thought out and well written. I really look forward to them.

JC1957

01-31-2021, 01:56 PM

Thank you for posting your blog. Your posts are always so well thought out and well written. I really look forward to them.Same here.

I usually drop what I'm doing to read them. :cool:

BlueGalexy

02-21-2021, 08:23 PM

I just finished reading your latest blog entry CD, and wanted to give you a shout out! The David Glenn Lewis case is just wild IMO. In some ways, it reminds me of the inexplicable (and completely exasperating IMO) death of Blair Adams, especially with regards to Lewis's unusual movements and possible travel plans immediately prior to his disappearance.

I almost have to wonder if there may have been some undiagnosed mental health problems at play here. Please understand, I'm absolutely NOT making any judgements or insinuations about Lewis's mental state...I'm simply trying to consider all possibilities. As a matter of fact, my cousin tragically took her own life last year, taking my family completely by surprise. She was such a beautiful, kind hearted young lady, who was married with two small children and her whole life ahead of her. It wasn't until after the fact, that we learned she was apparently struggling with some severe mental health difficulties. Now that I've seen first hand how some of these issues can suddenly manifest themselves, I can better understand how they may affect others out there. At any rate, it was another compelling article CD. Job well done...again!! :-)

crystaldawn

03-28-2021, 06:09 PM

Thank you so much BlueGalexy, JC1957 and Kilarney Rose. Your kind words mean so much to me!

BlueGalexy, I completely agree with you about David Glenn Lewis but feel like I'm in the minority. He wasn't acting normal for a few days before he went missing and where he ultimately ended up made no sense. Definitely think some kind of mental struggle was at play.

Okay here is my latest entry. I had never heard of this case until recently but was completely shocked when I heard the details and knew I wanted to write about it.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/nicholas-barclay-a-cruel-con

Also recently I was once again honored to ask to appear on the great "Unfound" podcast where we talk about the Nyleen Kay Marshall case. Here is the link to that.
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly91bmZvdW5kcG9kY2FzdC5wb2RvbWF0aWMuY29tL3JzczIueG1s/episode/aHR0cHM6Ly91bmZvdW5kcG9kY2FzdC5wb2RvbWF0aWMuY29tL2VudHJ5LzIwMjEtMDMtMTJUMTBfNThfMDMtMDhfMDA?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwjzma2FgNTvAhWMPM0KHWcgCTcQjrkEegQIBhAF&ep=6

Labonte18

03-29-2021, 12:28 PM

I just like doing a running commentary when I'm reading these..

thought he was 13 going on 30 and at such a young age already had 3 tattoos

Boy needed an ass whoopin' is what he needed.

When Nicholas never returned that day, the family was understandably very worried. According to his mother, his disappearance didn’t make the news. No one seemed to care but his family.

Hate to sound cruel here, but.. You reap what you sow. Kid like this, in the first 24/48 hours.. Noone is going to be looking hard for him.

It was reported by his brother Jason in September of the same year (just a few months after his disappearance) that Nicholas was trying to break in to their garage. However, when police arrived, they couldn’t find Nicholas or any signs of a break-in so that couldn’t be considered a valid sighting.

Did I miss.. How old was Jason? "Quite a bit" older.. Ok.. I'll take exception with September being "Just a few months" after January in a missing persons case.. But this here makes it sound like the whole family were just winners.

Nicholas Barclay had been found alive!

Nope, nope, nope. This isn't going to be him.

put solution in his eyes (which is why Nicholas’ striking blue eyes were now brown). His family was horrified to find out everything their loved one had been through. Anything that didn’t seem like their old Nicholas was attributed to the trauma he had been through, in his family’s mind.

Oh yes.. Magic eye color changing. Oh, ok.. Now I feel for the family. The desperation here.. to fall for this.

Holy crap.. look at the pic of him. He's damn near 30!

The sister was convinced it was her brother and the mother even refused a DNA test that would have confirmed it was her son. She didn’t need to be convinced, she said.

Yeah.. This is sad.. They know. They just don't want to be told.

Dang.. he's 24.. Well, I was closer to the right age, but if we use TPiR rules, I went over.

OK, so, figured out pretty quickly.. The part here where Jason is fingered.. Now, I like the idea that the reason the family was so accepting was that the real killer wouldn't be found, or looked for, but Jason was dismissive of him. Not the reaction I would expect from someone who wanted it hidden. So, I'd look more at the mother and sister from that angle. but, I don't really see either of them being involved. Jason's reaction seems more legitimate if he knew what happened, but he didn't do it and couldn't freely speak about it. Such as.. if Nicholas were taken due to something that Jason had done. Drug debts, for example.

My big question here.. Are the mother or sister still alive? I'd love to hear what they have to say.

But, all in all.. This kid is dead. And has been since that January.

Killarney Rose

03-29-2021, 01:02 PM

He has a thread at Websleuths. A bit of family history there, mom an addict. So I have to ask, was she merely sleeping due to working at night, or was she passed out from drugs? Mom on drugs, brother on drugs. Explains the family dynamic and why such a young boy was running the streets and a discipline problem from such an early age. Sadly, I feel he has been dead since he disappeared.

From the blog post I never got the feeling the older brother was involved. Just that he saw through the imposter from the start. I mean, the imposter looked nothing like the missing boy IMO, I think I would’ve saw through him as well.

Killarney Rose

03-29-2021, 01:03 PM

Double post.

JC1957

03-29-2021, 01:13 PM

Very interesting story about Nicholas Barclay. A kid like him was probably screwed from the git-go with no dad around, a big brother who was probably just as bad, a mom who only had an income from a convenience store and a bunch of bad family genes. Fascinating story nonetheless.

Thanks for the story crystaldawn. Keep 'em coming!

mphs95

04-15-2021, 08:41 PM

BlueGalexy

04-19-2021, 04:46 PM

Your blog is soooo good. Have you ever thought about doing a podcast? Your blog is a natural for it.

Great minds think alike mphs95, lol. I've tried to talk CD into podcasting, and while she hasn't started one yet, she has been kind enough to post a couple links to a few guest appearances she's done. In the meantime of course, our fellow poster Robin Warder has a delightful podcast called The Trail Went Cold.

Awesome article about the Barclay case BTW CD. I've been following that case for a while now, and probably have even more questions now than I started with, lol! I think it's safe to say that the dude who ripped off Barclay's identity and impersonated him is clearly a sociopath...at least IMO. Barclay's family though? That's a whole different kettle of fish if you ask me, and honestly...I still haven't figured them out. Was there criminal malfeasance at play, or were they simply traumatized loved ones who were hustled by a pro? I'm absolutely NOT making any accusations, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't at least a little suspicious of their behavior during the imposter's (somewhat underwhelming) performance.

So what do y'all think fellow posters? Was the Barclay family so welcoming of the imposter because they were trying to cover up something sinister, or were they merely innocent victims of a horrible scam? I'd love to hear some feedback on it!

Labonte18

04-19-2021, 08:26 PM

So what do y'all think fellow posters? Was the Barclay family so welcoming of the imposter because they were trying to cover up something sinister, or were they merely innocent victims of a horrible scam? I'd love to hear some feedback on it!

Cover up. No doubt in my mind.

As I mentioned in my post.. Jason knew the truth and wasn't happy about it. That's my feeling. I think it's even possible that he was somewhat involved or responsible.. Maybe from a drug debt he owed or something Nicholas was involved in that got himself killed. This was no angel of a 13 year old.

Now, it's possible he killed him and was just no-selling.. But he was no-selling. Gently. Like what I might expect if he knew what happened but didn't want to get himself killed or the rest of the family hurt.

Jason.. I kinda wonder about the circumstances of that OD. Now, I feel i'm getting too conspiracy theory here if I say he was ODed to shut him up.. But he was the key to all this. I think if he lives, the truth comes out. At least eventually. You know, it's almost like Jason knew the call from Nicholas to give him a ride was a setup for HIM getting killed.. Refused, and Nicholas was killed in his place. I'm reaching, but that's not too far outside the lines, I don't think. Jason knew the truth and didn't seem to be hiding that he knew the truth.

There is no question to me the mother and sister knew that wasn't him. Now, I can buy ONE of them just falling for it because they NEEDED it to be him.. But both? Nope.

Calliope68

04-19-2021, 08:37 PM

Another great write up Crystal Dawn and me to the list for you starting a podcast! I have listened to some you have guested on and loved them.

As to what happened to Nicholas Barclay. IMHO I don't believe he is alive. If what his brother said was true and he refused to pick him up or wake up their Mother then this is what i think could have transpired:

Nick did get home by walking all the way probably fuming by the time he got home. He and his brother got into a fight which resulted in Nick's death. Accidently? Honestly I'd say 50-50 chance. I can see Nick being extremely mad after walking for so long and probably starting a physical altercation.
Now then I think the brother gets rid of the body figuring everyone would think he ran away since he had court the next day. All goes well until they get the call from Spain.
Up till this time I am not sure the Mother knew. She did have a substance abuse problem and could have slept through the fight.
Now the sister did not live with them so I don't think she knew and maybe so wanted this person to be Nick she had blinders on so to speak. The brother know it wasn't Nick assumed she would see him and realize that too. When she didn't he came clean to his Mother before they got home and they decided to go with it and pretend he was Nick. That would explain the ir not wanting prints,Dna or to talk to the authorities. ing
Its sad but I doubt we'll really ever know unless his remains are found or he himself turns up

mphs95

04-24-2021, 08:14 AM

mphs95

04-24-2021, 08:19 AM

Great minds think alike mphs95, lol. I've tried to talk CD into podcasting, and while she hasn't started one yet, she has been kind enough to post a couple links to a few guest appearances she's done. In the meantime of course, our fellow poster Robin Warder has a delightful podcast called The Trail Went Cold.

Awesome article about the Barclay case BTW CD. I've been following that case for a while now, and probably have even more questions now than I started with, lol! I think it's safe to say that the dude who ripped off Barclay's identity and impersonated him is clearly a sociopath...at least IMO. Barclay's family though? That's a whole different kettle of fish if you ask me, and honestly...I still haven't figured them out. Was there criminal malfeasance at play, or were they simply traumatized loved ones who were hustled by a pro? I'm absolutely NOT making any accusations, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't at least a little suspicious of their behavior during the imposter's (somewhat underwhelming) performance.

So what do y'all think fellow posters? Was the Barclay family so welcoming of the imposter because they were trying to cover up something sinister, or were they merely innocent victims of a horrible scam? I'd love to hear some feedback on it!

I love TTWC. I'm a supporter on Patreon and I listen every week. The Path Went Chilly is growing on me, too.

As for the imposter, I think his mother and sister were just so desperate and to get the confirmation would confirm for them it wasn't Nicholas...which would make him missing again. Jason seemed to be a bit more realistic. That imposter looks NOTHING like Nicholas.

crystaldawn

09-26-2021, 01:40 PM

JC1957

09-26-2021, 07:20 PM

Well after a long break I'm back at it writing for my blog. The latest missing person case was not featured on UM, but would have made a great segment. The 70 year old disappearance of Beverly Rose Potts. Here's a link if you'd like to check it out. :)

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/beverly-rose-potts-peril-in-the-park
Thanks for sharing this with us Crystaldawn. Seems unlikely the real truth to this will ever surface. What the poor Potts family went through was horrible since none of the leads panned out. Besides that it seems like no one could really verify Beverly was at the park until the very end of the show.

infinityluxe

09-26-2021, 08:20 PM

Blog is nice would be good to see some diversity. All I see is white people.

Gelatinous Goo

09-27-2021, 07:23 AM

^^^

Oh, no. Not one of these...

Feel free to create your own blog and write about whatever and whoever you wish.

JC1957

09-27-2021, 08:03 AM

Blog is nice would be good to see some diversity. All I see is white people.
Let’s not start that crap.

Killarney Rose

09-27-2021, 10:55 AM

I agree.

Another great write up CrystalDawn!

TheCars1986

09-27-2021, 11:33 AM

Blog is nice would be good to see some diversity. All I see is white people.

Write your own blog.

freakbook

09-27-2021, 06:47 PM

Blog is nice would be good to see some diversity. All I see is white people.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

wongirl99

12-28-2021, 09:24 PM

New member here and I look forward to reading your blog. Missing persons is so interesting and just mind boggling how someone could vanish to never be found. Good luck.

Killarney Rose

12-29-2021, 12:26 AM

It’s a really great blog! Welcome!

mphs95

01-02-2022, 12:40 AM

Well after a long break I'm back at it writing for my blog. The latest missing person case was not featured on UM, but would have made a great segment. The 70 year old disappearance of Beverly Rose Potts. Here's a link if you'd like to check it out. :)

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/beverly-rose-potts-peril-in-the-park

I can't wait to read this, but have you ever considered a podcast, Heather? You'd be good at it. I listen to podcasts at work because I'm too busy to always sit down and read.

bell83

01-02-2022, 09:04 PM

I can't wait to read this, but have you ever considered a podcast, Heather? You'd be good at it.

I second this :)

Labonte18

01-12-2022, 07:09 PM

Been a while since we've seen anything from CD.. Everything OK?

Calliope68

01-12-2022, 08:00 PM

Been a while since we've seen anything from CD.. Everything OK?

Yes I was wondering the same thing CD. Hope everything is ok. I can't wait for next blog. I also think you'd be great at a podcast. I believe I have heard you quest on a couple and thoroughly enjoyed it!

crystaldawn

01-23-2022, 08:34 PM

Hello all! Sorry for the long delay. Here is my latest article. A little known case of 3 siblings going missing decades ago.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/the-klein-brothers-tragedy-times-three

Labonte18

01-26-2022, 04:07 PM

Hello all! Sorry for the long delay. Here is my latest article. A little known case of 3 siblings going missing decades ago.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/the-klein-brothers-tragedy-times-three

Glad everything is OK with you. Missed seeing you around here.

Ugh.. I hate seeing the words "psychic" in these. But wait, this is better. Psychic HORSE? Oh, those poor desperate parents.

What 'evidence' do they have to KNOW they're alive?

So. I actually do think that the drowning theory is the most likely. These were small children, and since the river was iced over, they could have been swept a ways downriver and not floated to the surface due to the ice. So, I don't think 'not finding a body' is out of the realm of possibility here.

Boys age 8, 6 and 4.. The 8 year old.. I can see him making the decision to go to the river. The other two following. So, again, to me, that isn't outside the realm of possibility.

The Paddock guy would be a secondary option for me.. That's.. Weird. Certainly shouldn't have been discounted out of hand.

But.. Above that.. Stanger abduction. Hopefully Gordon has submitted his DNA to 23andme/ancestry and the like.. If this happened.. Which I do lend some belief to.. That'd be the best way to find out now, because.. Hopefully one of the boys went on to have kids of their own. After all, by this point, they'd be in their 70's IF they were still alive.

Another excellent story that I had never heard of and great write-up on it, CD.

Killarney Rose

01-26-2022, 11:22 PM

Great post! That poor family, I can’t even imagine.

crystaldawn

02-07-2022, 07:37 PM

Thank you so much everyone!!! I'm still here. I don't get on a PC too often (usually just on my phone) and for some strange reason my SO notifications were going to Spam but I'm around. :)

I would love to do a podcast, maybe one day.

Already hard at work on research for my next article. I will be appearing for the 4th time on the Unfound podcast in early March. Ed Dentzell and I will be discussing one of my past articles. I'll post a link when it airs.

:wave:

crystaldawn

03-23-2022, 09:04 PM

Labonte18

03-23-2022, 11:27 PM

Hello all! A few links for you if you're interested. My latest article was recently posted about a very bizarre case of a missing hunter. Here is the link:

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/ludger-belanger-hunter-or-hunted

Also the Unfound podcast where Ed Dentzel and I chatted about the Dub and Chance Wackerhagen case (much more info than the UM segment) has recently aired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43auYVh7318

Good God that's got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of.. "hindering an investigation".

I'm.. Kinda surprised ex-FBI were scared off by that. They'd know that's a load of crap. 26 years and no arrest.. Not much investigation there.

I will give them credit for what seems to have been a hell of a job at the start, though that seems, perhaps to have been more the game wardens than the police.

It's obvious, at least to me, what happened here, save for the specifics. And who was responsible. Problem is.. Making charges stick. Bet lots of DNA and other evidence went away with that car.

Hambone2421

03-24-2022, 02:13 PM

04-24-2022, 09:49 AM

crystaldawn

05-07-2022, 03:06 PM

Happy 50th Birthday to crystaldawn! I wish you continued success with your blog (https://lostnfoundblogs.com/) and podcast appearances. Maybe we'll see you on one of the true crime TV shows or in a documentary one of these days. :)

:birthday:

Aww thanks so much Todd! :heart:

While I'm here I will say that in addition to my recent big birthday, today marks the 4th anniversary of my blog! To celebrate I'm talking about a very bizarre disappearance from across the pond. Here's a link if you want to check it out! https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/trevaline-evans-lunch-or-liaison

Killarney Rose

05-08-2022, 05:40 PM

This one is a real head scratcher. I don’t have a clue.

Labonte18

05-19-2022, 01:52 PM

This seems to me like it might be one of those cases along the lines of the guy who disappeared from his job at a grocery store and then like 20 years later they found his body wedged between the wall and a freezer.

https://people.com/human-interest/mans-body-found-10-years-later-behind-refrigerator-at-supermarket/

That's the case i'm thinking of.

I think the plaques are the work of the Sutton brothers. Leaning towards them being fame seekers. If they gave police info and the police went searching where they said and found nothing.. How is that 'ignoring' them?

I just kinda lean towards this being some weird and tragic accident vs foul play. Nothing but a gut feeling.

JC1957

05-22-2022, 10:32 PM

From Wikipedia: Apparent sightings of Evans have been reported in London, France (with Interpol investigating the assumed sighting there), and a remote town in Australia.[2] In 1992, woodland in the World’s End area was searched after a tip off from someone claiming to be a 'spiritualist medium'.[2] In 1993, police sniffer dogs searched a canal bank near Llangollen after a woman wrote to police stating that she had been ‘overwhelmed’ by a feeling that Trevaline was nearby As usual the accuracy of these "sightings" is questionable.

JC1957

05-22-2022, 10:32 PM

From Wikipedia:

Apparent sightings of Evans have been reported in London, France (with Interpol investigating the assumed sighting there), and a remote town in Australia.[2] In 1992, woodland in the World’s End area was searched after a tip off from someone claiming to be a 'spiritualist medium'.[2] In 1993, police sniffer dogs searched a canal bank near Llangollen after a woman wrote to police stating that she had been ‘overwhelmed’ by a feeling that Trevaline was nearby

As usual the accuracy of these "sightings" is questionable.

Labonte18

10-18-2022, 01:29 PM

CD posted a new case back in August that didn't get a notification here..

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/conor-sheila-dwyer-marital-mystery

Missing married couple from Ireland.

I'm reading through it now, probably only a few paragraphs in.. and immediately, I'm saying that Adventures with Purpose needs to get out there checking bodies of water.

I may complain about them a bit based on whoever it was making comments about a case being 'suspicious' and the like.. But credit where it's due.. What they're good at is finding vehicles in water. They're top notch at that.

And, reading through the entire article.. Seems that's where CD winds up as well. I think they just went out for a drive and.. Wound up in the water. Why and specifics on how I can't say.. But I think a short period of time with good sonar and experienced searchers turns them, and their car, up.

dynoguy88

10-23-2022, 11:03 PM

crystaldawn

11-13-2022, 04:31 PM

crystaldawn, your first ever feature was of Joan Risch a few years back. I've become more and more interested in her story lately and I just decided to buy a book about the case that was written in 2020. 'A Kitchen Painted in Blood.' I look forward to reading it. So, I just wanted to give you an overdue thank you in advance for introducing me to the case.

Also, coincidentally I just noticed that tomorrow is October 24th, the very day she went missing in 1961. Seems fitting. :crazy:

First off thanks Labonte18! Sorry I totally forgot to post a link to that article. Yes given the circumstances I think it was just a wrong turn into the River Blackwater. I LOVE AWP and agree they should take a look. Maybe there is even an Irish version doing a similar thing that could go.

Dynoguy you are so welcome! Although never on UM Joan Risch is one of the top 5 cases that will always stay with me! Let me know what the book says, I had no idea there was a book so thanks for the heads up!

Okay guys here is my latest installment! I struggle to find cases I want to write about because I always want there to be a twist and not an obvious answer to their disappearance. I always like to find cases most people haven't heard about. I think I found one a good one. Here's one from 1949. I hope you enjoy it!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/ricky-jean-bryant-taken-or-trapped

Labonte18

11-16-2022, 03:58 PM

First off thanks Labonte18! Sorry I totally forgot to post a link to that article. Yes given the circumstances I think it was just a wrong turn into the River Blackwater. I LOVE AWP and agree they should take a look. Maybe there is even an Irish version doing a similar thing that could go.

Dynoguy you are so welcome! Although never on UM Joan Risch is one of the top 5 cases that will always stay with me! Let me know what the book says, I had no idea there was a book so thanks for the heads up!

Okay guys here is my latest installment! I struggle to find cases I want to write about because I always want there to be a twist and not an obvious answer to their disappearance. I always like to find cases most people haven't heard about. I think I found one a good one. Here's one from 1949. I hope you enjoy it!

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/ricky-jean-bryant-taken-or-trapped

Love your investigative process and your writing.. So, when I haven't seen anything noted here in a while, I try to check your site so I don't miss anything.

If you want an idea.. I'm not TOO horribly deep into this one, however.. Google the name Jason Knapp.

It's.. A pretty common story all told.. I think both of us probably wind up in the same place so far as what happened (as we often do)

So, it's not MASSIVELY exciting I don't think.. But.. I'd certainly put it up as a case that not a whole lot of people have heard of. Locally famous, but not nationally I don't think.

OK.. I just searched Jason Knapp.. So, let me clarify that a bit.. Search for Jason Knapp missing.

Another one that might be a bit out of your wheelhouse that I can think of off the top of my head is the Blue Ridge Savings Bank Murders. I thought this one was solved when they apprehended Todd Kohlhepp. Shocked me he wasn't the one behind it. This one is a bit more well-known, tho.

Killarney Rose

11-16-2022, 06:28 PM

I don’t think he perished in the fire. I suspect the mother knows what happened to him. Possibly the grandmother.

crystaldawn

01-02-2023, 04:15 PM

Thanks so much Labonte, I consider that a true compliment! I'll have to check out that case you mentioned.

Here is my latest article. A pretty obscure missing persons case with a possible twist to a mystery covered on a UM segment that you UM fans will find interesting.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/william-thomas-cole-victim-or-vanished

TheCars1986

01-03-2023, 10:00 AM

Gelatinous Goo

01-03-2023, 10:08 AM

Very interesting, but this was Cole's hometown. After all of that coverage, somebody local would have had to recognize him. Makes no sense otherwise.

TheCars1986

01-03-2023, 11:50 AM

Very interesting, but this was Cole's hometown. After all of that coverage, somebody local would have had to recognize him. Makes no sense otherwise.

Not necessarily. He was missing for 4 years. He may not have ever attended this particular church.

Gelatinous Goo

01-03-2023, 01:38 PM

Not necessarily. He was missing for 4 years. He may not have ever attended this particular church.

You misunderstood. Somebody in the city would surely have recognized him. This was given nationwide coverage, so surely lots of local coverage beyond just the walls of the church.

crystaldawn

01-03-2023, 02:17 PM

You misunderstood. Somebody in the city would surely have recognized him. This was given nationwide coverage, so surely lots of local coverage beyond just the walls of the church.

I understand your statement and it might be true. I don't know when the composite sketch was even created and by all Idaho newspapers from the time, there was no picture at all published and I'm certain they wouldn't have posted the actual dead body pic then either. Unsolved Mysteries didn't air the case until 8 years later and if that's when the first pic (composite) was presented it could have fell through the cracks as far as someone who may have recognized him at the time it happened.

Labonte18

01-03-2023, 02:25 PM

I understand your statement and it might be true. I don't know when the composite sketch was even created and by all Idaho newspapers from the time, there was no picture at all published and I'm certain they wouldn't have posted the actual dead body pic then either. Unsolved Mysteries didn't air the case until 8 years later and if that's when the first pic (composite) was presented it could have fell through the cracks as far as someone who may have recognized him at the time it happened.

Seems this should be quite simple to put to bed. They have both sets of fingerprints. Sure, fingerprint tech wasn't great in 1982, but the way they take prints hasn't changed. So, they should be able to compare the prints today.

I.. Think it's unlikely to be the same person. If it is.. I don't ever want to need the assistance of police in Boise!

Wonder if they collected evidence that could be tested today without having to exhume "Toomey"

crystaldawn

01-03-2023, 02:40 PM

Labonte18

01-03-2023, 03:37 PM

I am unaware if the newspaper even passed the information in the anonymous letter on to law enforcement. I would hope that they did. Cole is not officially listed as a missing person but I do know he has a son so its possible with some effort they could find dna for him. Unsure if "Toomey" has been exhumed for a dna sample. Even if Cole isn't him it's possible they could identify Toomey through genealogical dna testing.

Which, to me, is the important part of all of this.

We don't know who this 'Toomey' person is. Most likely.. His family never knew what happened to him. So.. The way I'm going to say this is probably more crass than I mean it to be.. But.. To hell with everything else.

Who is Toomey? Regardless of whether he is, might be, or is not James Cole.. It just doesn't matter. Take that and just set it to the side as a curiosity. Somewhere out there, there is someone who had a relative die a fairly horrid death at their own hand in a church.. They don't know what happened to him and solving that puzzle is the important thing here.

If that just so happens to solve the James Cole mystery.. Great. But.. The Cole angle is just totally irrelevant at this point to me.

Do I *THINK* Toomey and Cole are the same person? Well, again I'll state my horrid 'facial blindness'.. Where I can't pick up on facial similarities. I dunno.. Doesn't 'feel' like it to me, but.. It does appeal to my idea of the simplest answer often being the correct answer.

Again, I don't even think DNA would be required if they are.. Because they should have prints from both people. Seems like a good case for Cold Case detectives in Idaho to pick up and.. Quickly solve if they are the same person.

TheCars1986

01-04-2023, 08:19 AM

Labonte18

03-23-2023, 06:37 PM

CD.. Have you abandoned updating us when you post a new case?

Looks like there's a new one up as of last month..

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/gone-fishing-edward-adams-michael-steffan

another 100+ year old case, so.. I don't have a whole lot of theories on this.. Or, rather, a preferred theory because there's just so much old and conflicting and missing information. Plus the fact that newspapers would tend to not disclose certain things that might be 'upsetting' to their readers in the day.

crystaldawn

07-15-2023, 08:53 PM

Hello all! I'm still here Labonte. Sorry for the delay. I post the articles to so many places I sometimes forget to post here right away. This time I remembered. Another bizarre one from many, many years ago.

https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/mary-elizabeth-edens-holiday-horror

dynoguy88

07-16-2023, 09:16 PM

Dynoguy you are so welcome! Although never on UM Joan Risch is one of the top 5 cases that will always stay with me! Let me know what the book says, I had no idea there was a book so thanks for the heads up!

My apologies, crystaldawn. After receiving and reading the book, I forgot to respond to you about it in regards to Joan Risch. So this is long overdue. I think it's a good read. It goes over every eyewitness testimony, every single possible scenario that could have happened and names of EVERYONE involved are included. Before reading the book, I kind of latched on to the abortion theory. But now, I believe that she was removed from her home by someone she knew. Whether this was a secret lover or an acquaintance, I am not sure.

It all boils down to the mystery car - a dirty blue 1954ish Plymouth - parked at the bottom of the Risch driveway. (Joan's car was parked farther up the driveway.) There seems to be a dispute with online sources that say the car was an unmarked car and certain witnesses may have been mistaken about the times of seeing the car. But the book is more matter of fact and constructs pretty much an exact timeline....

*At 3:25 p.m., the Risch's next-door neighbor, a teenager by the name of Virginia Keene, got off the school bus at the corner and then walked past Joan's house. While passing the house, she saw Joan's car and the mystery car, which she didn't recognize, at the end of the driveway. She then walked into her house.

*At 3:40 p.m., another neighbor named Hilda Ziegler (she lived a block over) was driving down Joan's street just as the mystery car was pulling out of Joan's driveway. Hilda had to stop and wait for this car to pull out of the driveway and pass her before she could drive on to her house.

I fully believe that Joan was in this car and that's how she left the area. What the driver did with her after that will forever be a mystery.

*At 4:15 Lillian goes across the street to Barbara Barker to tell her about her mommy being missing and the police arrive at 4:45.

It should also be noted that the Risch's milkman, Bernard Sockett, told police that he was on vacation the day Joan disappeared, but he observed this same car in the Risch's driveway 5 days before her disappearance when he delivered milk to the home. This could lend credence to the possibility that this person had met with and interacted with Joan before and was not simply a stranger planning to burglarize the house.

Some blood was found on Joan's car, as if she had probably touched it while walking by it, but there was no blood beyond the car and the rest of the driveway. So I don't see a scenario where she was so disoriented that she walked away on foot and somehow magically stopped leaving a trail of blood. Also, neighbors were out and about everywhere, especially at that time of day. Someone would have clearly seen a disoriented and injured woman walking down the street. I do not trust the possible sightings of the woman who "may have looked like" Joan walking near the highway. The distance is too far away from Joan's neighborhood and the people were not close enough to get a good and clear look at the woman. All they saw was a woman who was possibly in her 30's.

The pictures of the kitchen already painted some kind of a struggle, an attempt to call emergency and the phone being ripped off the wall, most likely from the man that was with her. He did not want to be tied to anything that had happened at the house that day and that's why he prevented her from calling anyone and took her away.

It's truly a fascinating mystery that will always intrigue me but with no body and DNA tools not being available for another 35 years, it's hindered with no final and satisfying answer.

I would like to point out, however, the issue of the library books.

The discovery of the 24 library books Joan had checked out the summer before her disappearance is not as big of a lead as we've been led to believe. It's been stated many times that almost all these books focused on missing persons and people staging their own disappearance...so maybe Joan used this reading material as a 'how to' guide on disappearing. In reality, this was a wide range of books. Joan was an avid reader and she never restricted herself to one topic. Many of the 24 titles dealt with subjects that were unrelated to a disappearance. Some examples included...

*A biography on Gertrude Stein
*A travel book
*A historical book
*A nature book
*A book on poetry and poets
*A book on Art collectors
*Thoreau's 'A Week on the Concord and Merrimack Rivers'

The books that most people cite as evidence of running away are 'Into Thin Air,' and 'The Screaming Rabbit,' both written by Harry Carmichael. They involve disappearances but neither book would be helpful to Joan if she wanted to disappear. In the first place, the characters who had disappeared in the books turned up murdered. Their disappearances were because of their murders - not because they vanished of their own volition. The books did not discuss the planning and mechanics of voluntarily disappearing because the topics were not a part of the plots. Similarly, some Agatha Christie books Joan had checked out did not focus on disappearances. These books would have provided no help regarding drivers licenses, credit cards, bank accounts, and other practical concerns.

In the end, I think this disqualifies the library books as any major clue on what led Joan to disappear. But I can see why some latched on to it. The community was still desperate to find any kind of information to latch on to and this ended up being it.

Labonte18

07-17-2023, 11:00 AM

So.. the latest case.. Another case from the times of "Yellow journalism"..

Cases from this timeframe annoy me because the papers.. generally because there were so many (Generally at least 2 per city) they were in cutthroat competition with each other and the facts often took a backseat to a good story.

I get what you're saying about trusting contemporary accounts.. But.. Don't trust them TOO much.

Actual lit candles on a tree.. How the hell did we, as the human race, actually survive? We talk about how dumb we are as a society now.. but.. Wow.

Surprised we didn't have "leave your car running and sleep in the garage to scare off the Halloween demons night" as a thing.

Ok.. Hold up.. Red flag.. Screens over all the windows, but Aunt Alice got a kid out the window? Ok.. So, this story is apparently about Mary Edens being 'missing'? Now it's time to convince me that the kid actually made it outside and isn't one of the bodies.

Oh.. a TV Reunion.. Ok, so.. Next question, is Grace Reynolds full of crap intentionally or unintentionally? The parents WANT her to be their daughter. Not uncommon. But, common sense usually goes out the window when that happens.

Yeah.. ok.. Now here's something that I buy.. The father knowing it was BS, but asking the newspaper to just sit on it.. Kudos for the paper for actually doing that. I actually don't blame Grace for continuing to say she was Mary at the end, because she had lived the lie so long by that point, and.. Might have been half senile.. She probably believed it herself by then.

It'd be expensive as hell to disinter everyone from the mass grave and do DNA testing on them.. But.. Would it be worthwhile? I could certainly see this being used as a training exercise.. I doubt much could be learned, but.. Mass graves from wartime are common and people need the experience in handling them and ID'ing remains found in them.

But.. There's also the "Let them rest in peace" thought.

Look.. She died in the fire.End of statement. The Aunt was probably delirious from the burns and confused or perhaps was trying to give the parents hope.. Or maybe, even felt guilty that she was still alive and Mary wasn't.

Killarney Rose

07-18-2023, 10:29 AM

I agree.

crystaldawn

07-21-2023, 12:58 PM

My apologies, crystaldawn. After receiving and reading the book, I forgot to respond to you about it in regards to Joan Risch. So this is long overdue. I think it's a good read. It goes over every eyewitness testimony, every single possible scenario that could have happened and names of EVERYONE involved are included. Before reading the book, I kind of latched on to the abortion theory. But now, I believe that she was removed from her home by someone she knew. Whether this was a secret lover or an acquaintance, I am not sure.

It all boils down to the mystery car - a dirty blue 1954ish Plymouth - parked at the bottom of the Risch driveway. (Joan's car was parked farther up the driveway.) There seems to be a dispute with online sources that say the car was an unmarked car and certain witnesses may have been mistaken about the times of seeing the car. But the book is more matter of fact and constructs pretty much an exact timeline....

*At 3:25 p.m., the Risch's next-door neighbor, a teenager by the name of Virginia Keene, got off the school bus at the corner and then walked past Joan's house. While passing the house, she saw Joan's car and the mystery car, which she didn't recognize, at the end of the driveway. She then walked into her house.

*At 3:40 p.m., another neighbor named Hilda Ziegler (she lived a block over) was driving down Joan's street just as the mystery car was pulling out of Joan's driveway. Hilda had to stop and wait for this car to pull out of the driveway and pass her before she could drive on to her house.

I fully believe that Joan was in this car and that's how she left the area. What the driver did with her after that will forever be a mystery.

*At 4:15 Lillian goes across the street to Barbara Barker to tell her about her mommy being missing and the police arrive at 4:45.

It should also be noted that the Risch's milkman, Bernard Sockett, told police that he was on vacation the day Joan disappeared, but he observed this same car in the Risch's driveway 5 days before her disappearance when he delivered milk to the home. This could lend credence to the possibility that this person had met with and interacted with Joan before and was not simply a stranger planning to burglarize the house.

Some blood was found on Joan's car, as if she had probably touched it while walking by it, but there was no blood beyond the car and the rest of the driveway. So I don't see a scenario where she was so disoriented that she walked away on foot and somehow magically stopped leaving a trail of blood. Also, neighbors were out and about everywhere, especially at that time of day. Someone would have clearly seen a disoriented and injured woman walking down the street. I do not trust the possible sightings of the woman who "may have looked like" Joan walking near the highway. The distance is too far away from Joan's neighborhood and the people were not close enough to get a good and clear look at the woman. All they saw was a woman who was possibly in her 30's.

The pictures of the kitchen already painted some kind of a struggle, an attempt to call emergency and the phone being ripped off the wall, most likely from the man that was with her. He did not want to be tied to anything that had happened at the house that day and that's why he prevented her from calling anyone and took her away.

It's truly a fascinating mystery that will always intrigue me but with no body and DNA tools not being available for another 35 years, it's hindered with no final and satisfying answer.

I would like to point out, however, the issue of the library books.

The discovery of the 24 library books Joan had checked out the summer before her disappearance is not as big of a lead as we've been led to believe. It's been stated many times that almost all these books focused on missing persons and people staging their own disappearance...so maybe Joan used this reading material as a 'how to' guide on disappearing. In reality, this was a wide range of books. Joan was an avid reader and she never restricted herself to one topic. Many of the 24 titles dealt with subjects that were unrelated to a disappearance. Some examples included...

*A biography on Gertrude Stein
*A travel book
*A historical book
*A nature book
*A book on poetry and poets
*A book on Art collectors
*Thoreau's 'A Week on the Concord and Merrimack Rivers'

The books that most people cite as evidence of running away are 'Into Thin Air,' and 'The Screaming Rabbit,' both written by Harry Carmichael. They involve disappearances but neither book would be helpful to Joan if she wanted to disappear. In the first place, the characters who had disappeared in the books turned up murdered. Their disappearances were because of their murders - not because they vanished of their own volition. The books did not discuss the planning and mechanics of voluntarily disappearing because the topics were not a part of the plots. Similarly, some Agatha Christie books Joan had checked out did not focus on disappearances. These books would have provided no help regarding drivers licenses, credit cards, bank accounts, and other practical concerns.

In the end, I think this disqualifies the library books as any major clue on what led Joan to disappear. But I can see why some latched on to it. The community was still desperate to find any kind of information to latch on to and this ended up being it.

Thanks so much dynoguy! I gotta say this case comes to my mind often. It was really interesting reading about the book. I always tend to think it was a medical emergency (perhaps a miscarriage from a pregnancy she did or did not know about) but I may have to rethink that. Was there any mention at all in the book about evidence of an admirer or even an affair? That would certainly help bolster the theory of her being abducted.

dynoguy88

07-24-2023, 03:23 PM

Thanks so much dynoguy! I gotta say this case comes to my mind often. It was really interesting reading about the book. I always tend to think it was a medical emergency (perhaps a miscarriage from a pregnancy she did or did not know about) but I may have to rethink that. Was there any mention at all in the book about evidence of an admirer or even an affair? That would certainly help bolster the theory of her being abducted.

If she had an admirer, he was very good at being on the down low because no names ever surfaced as a possibility. The affair theory, I think, tends to be the most popular one. And it's one I think is the most plausible. But there is no evidence or even a suspicion from anyone in Joan's orbit that it was going on. If she was having an affair with someone, she told nobody. And she did an excellent job of not making anyone suspect anything. There isn't a single name ever listed or thought of to be "the other man."

A secret affair and for whatever reason an argument arose about something that got out of hand causing the blood and the phone to be pulled out of the wall. Then he would have needed to get out of there taking her with him so that his secret would be kept. It's likely.

But I don't rule out the abortion theory either. In fact, the botched abortion theory has some key facts in its favor. It would explain the blood in the kitchen, why someone unsuccessfully tried to clean up the blood, and the phone receiver being ripped from the telephone. An abortionist with a car (the mystery car?) also explains the unknown fingerprints and the absence of a blood trail in the driveway beyond Joan's car. In this scenario, if something went wrong, the abortionist very well could have reacted with violence towards Joan to cover up the illegal operation.

A minor point brought up in the book was police discovering a coat hanger sitting on top of Joan's car in the driveway. Since that was a common tool used by abortionists in the 60's and earlier, maybe that's what happened here.

But like everything else in regard to Joan's disappearance, theories have equal amounts of arguments for or against it. With the abortion theory, it's pointed out that the Risch's finances (being upper middle class) easily could have provided for a third child. Also, scheduling an abortion in her kitchen or somewhere else in the house within such a short timeframe in the afternoon while one child was across the street and might come home at any minute while the other child was about to wake up from his nap at any minute seems highly unlikely. There would have been sure means to address an emergency if something went wrong. Also, with the coat hanger, multiple commonplace reasons exist for it being found on the car. For example, Joan could have found the hanger while she was working in the yard and mowing the lawn that afternoon and simply placed it on top of the car.

I don't see any non-abortion medical issue that would have prevented her from seeking help from her many neighbors and just leaving on foot alone without telling anyone. It just doesn't compute.