View Full Version : This week's Roseanne Muslim neighbors episode was Roseanne Barr's idea


TMC
05-07-2018, 03:42 PM
http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/07/roseanne-muslim-neighbors-episode/

“She wanted to get a comeuppance for her own bias,” co-executive producer Dave Caplan says in a Roseanne interstitial for Tuesday's episode, adding: “that was her idea.”

QTMcWhiskers
05-08-2018, 01:19 PM
Didn't "The Simpsons" do something not too dissimilar in season 20, where Bart's new friend is Muslim and Homer thinks the father is a terrorist trying to bomb the mall (the old mall, being torn down that is)?

I imagine the Roseanne episode will have a lot of differences and that people can think of the same ideas independently without seeing television...

TMC
05-08-2018, 09:46 PM
How do you square Roseanne Barr with her fictional counterpart on Roseanne's Muslim neighbors episode? (https://www.thedailybeast.com/roseanne-blasts-ignorance-towards-muslim-immigrants-is-she-just-trolling-us-now)
The revelation that Barr inspired tonight's episode (http://forums.previously.tv/topic/69847-s10e07-go-cubs/?do=getLastComment) "invites a slew of reactions," says Kevin Fallon. "There’s the egregiousness of a public figure who has used her platform to promote an agenda directly harmful to the immigrants she is referencing, producing an episode in which a fictional stand-in is absolved of her offensive opinions in a heartwarming episode," he adds. "Then there’s the content of the episode (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/karen-townsend/2018/05/08/roseanne-muslim-neighbors-we-dont-hate-you-were-afraid-you) in the first place, and the message it eventually does send. The message could be viewed independently of the actress delivering it. Or maybe for some there is power in that it is Roseanne Barr, of all people, whose mind is changed from bigotry to tolerance."

Roseanne's Muslim neighbor episode draws mixed responses (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-critics-notebook-roseanne-20180509-story.html)
Some felt that Roseanne falsely thinking her Muslim neighbors are terrorists isn't even funny (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/roseanne-archie-bunker-approach-muslim-neighbors-article-1.3980365). As Lorraine Ali notes, "the Roseanne Muslim panic episode, as it's now been called, isn't the next progressive leap in demystifying an entire faith and people. It's a throwback to the bigoted rhetoric of Archie Bunker, but as offensive as many will find it, it serves a purpose. Ignorance, not hatred, underpins Roseanne's suspicions about her hijab-clad neighbor Fatima (Anne Bedian). And that's a distinction that matters, as evidenced by another big moment across TV on Tuesday — also the result of a rebooted story line involving rogue Muslims with weapons of mass destruction."

Impressions
05-10-2018, 07:06 PM
I didn't like it. It felt cheap, forced, agenda driven/preachy, it harkens to the "very special episode" trend of the '80s. At the opening of the episode, she has Islamophobia/is bigoted toward her neighbors because their Muslims and then at the end of the episode she just so happens to come across someone with a discriminatory bias, similar to hers at the beginning of the episode, and suddenly is some sanctimonious moral-centered woman who feels the need to call her out because she learned her lesson about Muslims. How hypocritical.

The episode itself was filled with some terrible stereotypical jokes about Muslims and it just made me cringe all over.

tlc38tlc38
05-10-2018, 07:46 PM
I didn't like it. It felt cheap, forced, agenda driven/preachy, it harkens to the "very special episode" trend of the '80s. At the opening of the episode, she has Islamophobia/is bigoted toward her neighbors because their Muslims and then at the end of the episode she just so happens to come across someone with a discriminatory bias, similar to hers at the beginning of the episode, and suddenly is some sanctimonious moral-centered woman who feels the need to call her out because she learned her lesson about Muslims. How hypocritical.

The episode itself was filled with some terrible stereotypical jokes about Muslims and it just made me cringe all over.
My thoughts exactly.

Wawwie
05-29-2018, 01:53 PM
I didn't like it. It felt cheap, forced, agenda driven/preachy, it harkens to the "very special episode" trend of the '80s. At the opening of the episode, she has Islamophobia/is bigoted toward her neighbors because their Muslims and then at the end of the episode she just so happens to come across someone with a discriminatory bias, similar to hers at the beginning of the episode, and suddenly is some sanctimonious moral-centered woman who feels the need to call her out because she learned her lesson about Muslims. How hypocritical.

The episode itself was filled with some terrible stereotypical jokes about Muslims and it just made me cringe all over.
Those scenes with the bigoted supermarket cashier were so over the top and unrealistic. No cashier would ever talk that way to any customer unprovoked. And Roseanne's speech about "If you see/hear something, say something" was also ridiculous and hypocritical.
Another ridiculous part about that episode was when DJ was going on to Dan about the army. It is extremely odd and so very out of character that DJ who grew up in the original run as a movie/media geek to become an army guy. This show is so agenda driven, trashy and depressing.
There is nothing humorous about the new "Roseanne."

TMC
06-05-2018, 01:09 AM
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/how-roseanne-had-the-most-disastrous-endgame-in-tv-history-w520879

When the reboot (https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/8o41pd/how_roseanne_had_the_most_disastrous_endgame_in/) dropped in March, I went into detail about how wretched the first two episodes were (https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/rob-sheffield-why-the-roseanne-reboot-sucks-w518543). Unfortunately, that was before **** got really bad. Like the Very Special Episode wherein she heroically befriends her new Arab neighbors, who aren't terrorists after all – it was like an ICE remake of the Sanford & Son where Redd Foxx tries sushi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS6Ll1jmtdo). At the end of the season, the Conners face ruin from a flood (oh no!) and surgical bills (eek!), except there's a happy ending: The flood touched President Trump's heart and he's sending them thousands of dollars in FEMA money. Seriously, that was last week's season finale – and as of today, the series finale, though I'll believe that when my FEMA check clears.

Actor who played Roseanne's Muslim neighbor expresses disappointment in cancelation (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/roseanne-muslim-neighbor-racist-valerie-jarrett-tweet-alain-washnevsky-guest-column-1117177)
Alain Washnevsky, who was born in Iran and raised in Austria, says he got to know Roseanne Barr on set as "a funny, helpful and real person." He adds: "When I read about her tweet, I couldn’t believe it. I was so shocked, angry and hurt. Her words go against everything I believe in and everything that our episode represented. Or so I thought. I was extremely disappointed not only by her words, but also by the cancellation of the show which shined a light into many dark spots of our society — corners of society we don’t like to look at, see or talk about at parties."

Coffeecup
06-15-2018, 10:45 PM
I saw that episode and what bothered me is Who would answer their door at that late hour and say Yeah you can use my wifi. I would think the neighbors would say. Lady it is 1am (whatever the time was) and you are pestering me now. Go away.