View Full Version : Why did Belle leave after only 1 season??
SitcomsHeydayfan 04-21-2018, 11:27 PM Jolene wasn't bad but I preferred Belle after Flo left. I'm really surprised especially considering she was in the original movie!
So can someone tell me why she quit after only 1 season??
howilu 04-22-2018, 09:37 AM From what I read, Ladd didn't fit in with Linda Lavin and the other cast members. I did remember she played Flo in the movie that Alice was based on Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore.
From what I read, Ladd didn't fit in with Linda Lavin and the other cast members. I did remember she played Flo in the movie that Alice was based on Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore.
Linda Lavin simply put, wasn't too comfortable with others "stealing her shine". I think that's one big reason why she had issues with Polly Holliday. It annoyed Linda that Polly had become the breakout star when it was supposed to be Linda's show. I'm guessing that Linda didn't have many issues with Cecilia Weston (Jolene) because she didn't pose enough of a threat like Polly Holliday and Diane Ladd.
SitcomsHeydayfan 06-07-2018, 07:49 PM Linda Lavin simply put, wasn't too comfortable with others "stealing her shine". I think that's one big reason why she had issues with Polly Holliday. It annoyed Linda that Polly had become the breakout star when it was supposed to be Linda's show. I'm guessing that Linda didn't have many issues with Cecilia Weston (Jolene) because she didn't pose enough of a treat like Polly Holliday and Diane Ladd.
But that's so bizarre because the show was called ALICE not Belle! Linda Lavin was always going to get top billing because it was her show! Belle was better than Jolene and should've stayed on.
Flo was the best 3rd waitress as far as overall acting goes. Then Belle then Jolene. As far as looks go Belle takes it in a landslide!
But that's so bizarre because the show was called ALICE not Belle! Linda Lavin was always going to get top billing because it was her show! Belle was better than Jolene and should've stayed on.
Flo was the best 3rd waitress as far as overall acting goes. Then Belle then Jolene. As far as looks go Belle takes it in a landslide!
Linda Lavin however, could've taken the path that Mary Tyler Moore or Bob Newhart took on their respective sitcoms. They were humble enough and wise to realize that they had such a strong supporting cast that it would be better suited for them to be "straight-men". The same problem happened with Cybill Shepherd on her '90s sitcom. She wasn't simply content with being the "straight-woman" to Christine Baranski's more flamboyant or showy sidekick character, Cybill wanted to be the "wacky" one or the main laugh magnet too.
rcbrad 07-17-2018, 08:03 PM I think part of Linda's problem also was with some of the material as in the script department. I think Linda is a wonderful actress, but occasionally during the run of Alice she acts rather bland and blah, maybe she was unhappy or bored? Maybe this had to do with her problems with her co stars? I noticed during season 2 at times it looks like she was wearing little or no makeup either? Not sure why for either of these two observations.
liane60 08-30-2018, 01:29 PM From what I read, Ladd didn't fit in with Linda Lavin and the other cast members. I did remember she played Flo in the movie that Alice was based on Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore.
I herd Linda Lavin was hard to get along with.
TheLittleFaerie 09-03-2018, 04:43 AM I noticed toward the end of the show, Jolene started getting a lot of laughs and many of the shows centered around her. I wonder if Linda had issues with that?
But to me, Belle was sorta a cross between Flo and Jolene.
Is it true that Diane Ladd said Linda Lavin stopped speaking to her some few episodes into her run? Also, apparently when Polly Holliday was leaving the set I think for the last time, she told Diane good luck in a kind of ominous way. That was her first clue that dealing with Linda Lavin was going to be a nightmare.
SitcomsHeydayfan 09-24-2018, 03:56 PM I think part of Linda's problem also was with some of the material as in the script department. I think Linda is a wonderful actress, but occasionally during the run of Alice she acts rather bland and blah, maybe she was unhappy or bored? Maybe this had to do with her problems with her co stars? I noticed during season 2 at times it looks like she was wearing little or no makeup either? Not sure why for either of these two observations.
If she was bland & boring then she should've welcomed Belle because she really spiced things up! And she was by far the hottest waitress of all of them in the history of the show.
Is it really that surprising to assume that Linda Lavin would not be okay with Diane Ladd? She was nominated for an Oscar for playing Flo in the movie! Also, they made Belle (the Diane Ladd character) and aspiring singer. Why would they think Linda would be OK with another singer on the show?
SitcomsHeydayfan 12-13-2018, 06:23 AM Is it really that surprising to assume that Linda Lavin would not be okay with Diane Ladd? She was for an Oscar for playing Flo in the movie! Also, they made Belle (the Diane Ladd character) and aspiring singer. Why would they think Linda would be OK with another singer on the show?
But Linda already KNEW that ahead of time so why hire Ladd at all?? You're supposed to hire the BEST person for each role!
Plus I'm shocked Lavin had SO much influence on cast decisions! The casting director and producers pick the cast! Look at John Ritter and Three's Company. John Ritter was a much bigger star than Lavin & Three's Company was a much bigger hit.
Yet when Suzanne Somers left the show John didn't pick who would replace her. There were 2 more blonde roommates after Chrissy yet John picked neither of them!
Why didn't the producers and casting director on Alice pick the cast like they're supposed to??
Wawwie 12-19-2018, 09:15 PM I always thought "Mel" was the real star of the show. The show should have been called "Mel's Diner." Not "Alice." Vic Tayback was a much better actor IMO and the character of Mel was irreplaceable.
'80sSitcoms 12-19-2018, 11:26 PM I always thought "Mel" was the real star of the show. The show should have been called "Mel's Diner." Not "Alice."
Some people think that's what the show was called anyway. And really, it should have been. It should have been an ensemble show called "Mel's Diner" (heck, some episodes were already "ensemble episodes" anyway).
Why didn't the producers and casting director on Alice pick the cast like they're supposed to??
I guess they did, but, they listened to Lavin's input. The show was a vehicle for her, centered around her, so she had clout.
Also, apparently when Polly Holliday was leaving the set I think for the last time, she told Diane Ladd good luck in a kind of ominous way. That was her first clue that dealing with Linda Lavin was going to be a nightmare.
I've heard this too, and I can't remember what the original source of this legend is, but my question is, why would Diane Ladd and Polly Holliday have been on the "Alice" set at the same time? They didn't co-star in any episodes together. Flo left in one episode, and then Belle appeared in the next. They didn't interact on the show at all.
Linda Lavin however, could've taken the path that Mary Tyler Moore or Bob Newhart took on their respective sitcoms. They were humble enough and wise to realize that they had such a strong supporting cast that it would be better suited for them to be "straight-men".
Yup. And America loved "their Mary". Marla Gibbs knew the same thing when "227" came along. Jackie's Sandra Clark became the breakout character, and early on when Jackee expressed concern with being too funny/outrageous, Marla encouraged her, "No, be funny! A funnier show is a better show" (paraphrasing---they discuss this on the "227" bonus features when interviewing the actors). Even though that apparently changed somewhat during the show's run, but the ladies are friendly with each other again now.
SitcomsHeydayfan 12-20-2018, 05:11 AM I always thought "Mel" was the real star of the show. The show should have been called "Mel's Diner." Not "Alice." Vic Tayback was a much better actor IMO and the character of Mel was irreplaceable.
I totally agree. It should've been called "Mel's Diner" from the start . There wasn't anything spectacular about Linda Levin anyway. She wasn't bad but just average.
I don't see how anyone who Alice couldn't say Vic Tayback was a better actor. He was probably the best actor on the show!
Kasey 12-20-2018, 09:35 AM I've heard this too, and I can't remember what the original source of this legend is, but my question is, why would Diane Ladd and Polly Holliday have been on the "Alice" set at the same time? They didn't co-star in any episodes together. Flo left in one episode, and then Belle appeared in the next. They didn't interact on the show at all.
As for the source, Diane herself said it on THE E! TRUE HOLLYWOOD STORY that aired back in the '90s.
'80sSitcoms 12-20-2018, 04:39 PM As for the source, Diane herself said it on THE E! TRUE HOLLYWOOD STORY that aired back in the '90s.
Oh wow, so it definitely did happen---thanks for the confirmation.
Perhaps they had Ladd visit the set during production of the final episode?
Babalu 12-20-2018, 06:32 PM I always thought "Mel" was the real star of the show. The show should have been called "Mel's Diner." Not "Alice." Vic Tayback was a much better actor IMO and the character of Mel was irreplaceable.
Vic Tayback had personality. He drew your attention on the screen. Linda Lavin needed good writing to be funny. Vic Tayback was a natural.
As far as looks go Belle takes it in a landslide!
Not in my book. I never though Dianne Ladd was the least bit attractive. I may have stopped watching the show by then anyway. I don't really remember. Beth Howland was the best looking one by default. The show was somewhat unique in that there were really no attractive women on it.
Wawwie 12-20-2018, 09:25 PM I totally agree. It should've been called "Mel's Diner" from the start . There wasn't anything spectacular about Linda Levin anyway. She wasn't bad but just average.
I don't see how anyone who Alice couldn't say Vic Tayback was a better actor. He was probably the best actor on the show!
Vic Tayback was definitely the best actor on the show. Like "Babalu" said, Vic was a natural. His mere presence was something worth watching. It's in the way that he used it. Linda Lavin was just average, and I do not know why she was able to have so much power in that show. Polly Holliday was a thousand times better than her.
Wawwie 12-20-2018, 09:46 PM Beth Howland was the best looking one by default. The show was somewhat unique in that there were really no attractive women on it.Actually, maybe Mel's mother Carrie (Martha Ray) was actually the best looking "broad" on the show! :lol:
SitcomsHeydayfan 12-21-2018, 04:50 AM Vic Tayback had personal
Beth Howland was the best looking one by default. The show was somewhat unique in that there were really no attractive women on it.
You're joking right?? Vera was the nerdy, goofy ugly duckling on the show. She was kind of like a female Don Knotts. Always screwing up! That's why Mel kept calling her "Dingy"!! :lol:
No one in their right mind found Vera good looking.
Wawwie 12-21-2018, 06:49 AM No one in their right mind found Vera good looking.
:lol::lol::lol:
Linda Lavin was sort of attractive.... not a raving beauty or anything like that, but she was ok.
'80sSitcoms 12-21-2018, 10:28 AM Vic Tayback had personality. He drew your attention on the screen.
He scared the pants off me as a kid! When he would lean in through that "window" of the pick-up counter and yell at the women, I was scared as a little boy! lol
DJM77 12-21-2018, 11:43 AM He scared the pants off me as a kid! When he would lean in through that "window" of the pick-up counter and yell at the women, I was scared as a little boy! lol
It's good to know that I wasn't the only one.
Bonniegirl 12-21-2018, 01:30 PM You're joking right?? Vera was the nerdy, goofy ugly duckling on the show. She was kind of like a female Don Knotts. Always screwing up! That's why Mel kept calling her "Dingy"!! :lol:
No one in their right mind found Vera good looking.
I think Vera was actually pretty! She had beautiful blue eyes. Nice facial features ! She was nerdy and dingy but just looks wise she really was pretty I think! ;) And somebody DID find her attractive! Her Hubby Elliot , and he was in his right mind and cute too!!:)And Alice I thought was a very attractive woman esp. in the early seasons. ;) Belle was really pretty too. The least attractive IMO were Flo and Jolene ! ;)
Bonniegirl 12-21-2018, 01:33 PM He scared the pants off me as a kid! When he would lean in through that "window" of the pick-up counter and yell at the women, I was scared as a little boy! lol
I first saw him as a young teenager ! I wasn't scared of him, I thought he was really funny and good for the show!;) But being I was a young girl he was a mean old, loud, hairy man !! Now I find him sexy ! He's not mean, he's gruff!! :D
DJM77 12-21-2018, 06:16 PM While we're on the subject, I never considered Jolene to be gorgeous or anything, but I definitely feel like she was the best looking woman on the show and to me there isn't even a close second. Of course this is all subjective.
SitcomsHeydayfan 12-21-2018, 08:48 PM While we're on the subject, I never considered Jolene to be gorgeous or anything, but I definitely feel like she was the best looking woman on the show and to me there isn't even a close second. Of course this is all subjective.
Don't you think Belle beats Jolene? She's got a better figure too!
Wawwie 12-21-2018, 09:33 PM Don't you think Belle beats Jolene? She's got a better figure too!
Jolene was taller and thinner. She also had a younger face.
Bonniegirl 12-21-2018, 09:36 PM Don't you think Belle beats Jolene? She's got a better figure too!
I agree!! ;)
DJM77 12-21-2018, 10:14 PM Don't you think Belle beats Jolene?
Absolutely not!
Bonniegirl 12-22-2018, 12:43 AM Jolene was taller and thinner. She also had a younger face.
I love Jolene and I love Flo too, probably Flo a little more! They were both wonderful for the show , as characters I liked both much better than Belle!;) with that being said the conversation being about their looks , I still say Belle was better looking than Jolene!;) No offense to Jolene, but Belle was a more natural beauty even if she looked older! Jolene well , take away the long bleach blonde hair and she was just average looking in the face at best ! Again let me stress this is only my opinion and I do really like Jolene !! :)
SitcomsHeydayfan 12-22-2018, 02:25 AM WTH?? Jolene was already showing small lines and signs of aging when she started the show!
But gorgeous Belle had practically pristine skin during her short time in the show so Belle clearly looked younger than Jolene. I have 20/20 vision but you guys who think Jolene looked younger than Belle need to get some glasses or something!
Belle was a better actor too because Jolene's southern drawl seemed too contrived and fake at times.
howilu 12-22-2018, 11:39 AM Actually, Celia Weston was born and raised in South Carolina so she does have a real southern accent.
SitcomsHeydayfan 12-22-2018, 11:19 PM Actually, Celia Weston was born and raised in South Carolina so she does have a real southern accent.
I've met many people from the south & Jolene sounds worse than ALL of them. Maybe Jolene just has an annoying voice.
TheLittleFaerie 01-01-2019, 05:33 AM WTH?? Jolene was already showing small lines and signs of aging when she started the show!
But gorgeous Belle had practically pristine skin during her short time in the show so Belle clearly looked younger than Jolene. I have 20/20 vision but you guys who think Jolene looked younger than Belle need to get some glasses or something!
Belle was a better actor too because Jolene's southern drawl seemed too contrived and fake at times.
I had no idea that Belle was older than Flo. Also I think Celia Weston put on the southern accent, I have seen Celia in other things and she doesn't talk like that.
SitcomsHeydayfan 01-04-2019, 04:51 PM I had no idea that Belle was older than Flo. Also I think Celia Weston put on the southern accent, I have seen Celia in other things and she doesn't talk like that.
Yes she does though not as strong of a southern accent. I saw her in a minor role in some horror/thriller a few years ago and she still had the accent. Unfortunately she's gotten kinda fat & frumpy.
Wawwie 01-05-2019, 02:21 PM I had no idea that Belle was older than Flo. Also I think Celia Weston put on the southern accent, I have seen Celia in other things and she doesn't talk like that.
Celia Weston does have a real southern accent, she just amplified it for "Alice." I've seen her in other shows/movies and she does indeed speak with a southern accent, just not as exaggerated as it was in "Alice."
SitcomsHeydayfan 01-13-2019, 04:18 AM Celia Weston does have a real southern accent, she just amplified it for "Alice." I've seen her in other shows/movies and she does indeed speak with a southern accent, just not as exaggerated as it was in "Alice."
LOL..that's what I said.
TheLittleFaerie 01-30-2019, 02:42 AM To me, if you were to combine Belle and Jolene together into ONE person, you would have a very Dolly Parton type person lol
I herd Linda Lavin was hard to get along with.
I don't know if this is an ultimate confirmation that Linda Lavin was truly been difficult to work with over the course of her career, but somebody on this blog (https://lebeauleblog.com/2016/10/15/october-15-happy-birthday-linda-lavin-and-penny-marshall/) commented that they have friend named Sophie (http://www.sophiehayden.com/resume.html) who's an actress. Well anyway, she worked with Linda Lavin on an off-Broadway play (https://variety.com/1997/legit/reviews/the-diary-of-anne-frank-3-1200451922/), and she was apparently an absolute nightmare to work with. And this is coming from someone who also had to work with Kim Basigner.
SitcomsHeydayfan 04-22-2019, 08:55 AM I don't know if this is an ultimate confirmation that Linda Lavin was truly been difficult to work with over the course of her career, but somebody on this blog (https://lebeauleblog.com/2016/10/15/october-15-happy-birthday-linda-lavin-and-penny-marshall/) commented that they have friend named Sophie (http://www.sophiehayden.com/resume.html) who's an actress. Well anyway, she worked with Linda Lavin on an off-Broadway play (https://variety.com/1997/legit/reviews/the-diary-of-anne-frank-3-1200451922/), and she was apparently an absolute nightmare to work with. And this is coming from someone who also had to work with Kim Basigner.
I'm not surprised based on everything that's been said here. What I don't get is usually on TV shows the casting director is independent and doesn't just listen to the star of the show!
Even MUCH bigger stars than Lavin didn't just dictate to the casting director! Anyone know why that happened here??
TV Guy 04-30-2019, 01:19 PM Some actors do have input into casting, if they are vets on a top-rated series. John Ritter had input into casting Mary Cadorette as his girlfriend on “Three’s a Crowd” (and look how well that worked out. Lavin was the star of a top 10 show. And she was known as difficult, so it doesn’t surprise me that they tried to appease her with input into casting. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
I could never stand Lavin - she was the weakest part of the show, to me. I would have had Alice move away and focus on the remaining cast. And I would have renamed the show “Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore”.
SitcomsHeydayfan 04-30-2019, 11:58 PM Some actors do have input into casting, if they are vets on a top-rated series. John Ritter had input into casting Mary Cadorette as his girlfriend on “Three’s a Crowd” (and look how well that worked out. Lavin was the star of a top 10 show. And she was known as difficult, so it doesn’t surprise me that they tried to appease her with input into casting. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
I could never stand Lavin - she was the weakest part of the show, to me. I would have had Alice move away and focus on the remaining cast. And I would have renamed the show “Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore”.
Or the show should've been called "Mel's Diner" to begin with & I think a lot of fans have said that.
I'm not surprised based on everything that's been said here. What I don't get is usually on TV shows the casting director is independent and doesn't just listen to the star of the show!
Even MUCH bigger stars than Lavin didn't just dictate to the casting director! Anyone know why that happened here??
I think that Alice maybe a tale-tell example of what could happen when you create a show around a decidedly insecure actor or actress. They'll make everything about them and, if someone is getting more laughs or attention (in this case, Polly Holliday and subsequently, Diane Ladd), they'll try to stifle them.
SitcomsHeydayfan 05-26-2019, 07:56 AM I think that Alice maybe a tale-tell example of what could happen when you create a show around a decidedly insecure actor or actress. They'll make everything about them and, if someone is getting more laughs or attention (in this case, Polly Holliday and subsequently, Diane Ladd), they'll try to stifle them.
Where were the executive producers & director?? They should have told her the OBVIOUS that having a hit show is a TEAM game. If she was still so stubborn they could've just fired her and moved on without her just like how Three's Company fired Suzanne Somers(in her prime) yet had multiple successful seasons without her!
TV Guy 06-04-2019, 11:16 AM The “Three’s Company” and “Valerie” examples are so notable because they were rare times when networks/producers were willing to risk a hit show and get rid of an actor. Most of the time, networks side with the actor because they are worried about upsetting a hit show and causing it to fail.
When Delta Burke and the Designing Women producers were feuding, CBS initially sided with Burke and brought in a new producer for the sixth season of DW. That was their natural instinct.
SitcomsHeydayfan 06-05-2019, 02:20 AM The “Three’s Company” and “Valerie” examples are so notable because they were rare times when networks/producers were willing to risk a hit show and get rid of an actor. Most of the time, networks side with the actor because they are worried about upsetting a hit show and causing it to fail.
When Delta Burke and the Designing Women producers were feuding, CBS initially sided with Burke and brought in a new producer for the sixth season of DW. That was their natural instinct.
In the case of Three's Company the producers dumped Suzanne Somers because they knew John Ritter was the star not her. Suzanne thought she was bigger than she actually was. So when she made unheard of exorbitant salary demands they fired her because they KNEW she was expendable!
TheLittleFaerie 06-08-2019, 12:31 AM I never understood why Belle was not in any of the flashback scenes in the final episode.....Linda and Polly didn't get along, or so I hear, BUT Flo was in the flashbacks, so I wonder why Belle wasn't?
SitcomsHeydayfan 06-09-2019, 12:41 AM I never understood why Belle was not in any of the flashback scenes in the final episode.....Linda and Polly didn't get along, or so I hear, BUT Flo was in the flashbacks, so I wonder why Belle wasn't?
Maybe because Flo was there for 3 seasons? Of course Belle should have been in it & she was my favorite waitress but was only in 22 episodes or so because Linda Lavin was a TOTAL A**HOLE!
TheLittleFaerie 06-09-2019, 03:44 AM I know Belle wasn't there very long, but she was still part of the main cast at one time, so you'd think they would have included her at least once or twice. There were scenes from episodes she was in, but it seemed like they intentionally left her out. The scene where Mel is counting money and there's a knock at the door Mel snaps, "WHO'S THAT!?!?" Which is Belle knocking. I mean there were random customers included in flashbacks who were only on the show for a few mins only in one episode.
But yeah it could have had to do with Lavin b/c Flo was not even in THAT many flashbacks.
SitcomsHeydayfan 06-09-2019, 09:12 AM The bottom line is Lavin should never have had so much control to begin with and they shouldn't have called the show "Alice"!
Ronny G 09-17-2019, 05:52 PM I searched the newspaper archives and found this article.
UPDATE: Please note that most of the opinions in this article are from the TV critic. He did not interview Diane.
He's just announcing that she's quitting the show. He just used one brief quote from her and ran with it.
TV Guy 09-17-2019, 07:53 PM LOL - Gary Deeb was a syndicated columnist, based at one of the Chicago papers, who was known not to mince words when he didn’t like a show. I remember when “Too Close For Comfort” returned in syndication, the headline of his column read, “Corny and Childish, ‘Too Close For Comfort’ Is Back”.
If Diane didn’t like the show, as the article stated, then perhaps she should have watched it before she signed on. It’s not as if the writing suddenly got less sophisticated when she joined.
Wawwie 09-18-2019, 02:52 PM In the case of Three's Company the producers dumped Suzanne Somers because they knew John Ritter was the star not her. Suzanne thought she was bigger than she actually was. So when she made unheard of exorbitant salary demands they fired her because they KNEW she was expendable!
But even though the show was called "Alice" Mel (Vic Tayback) was really the star (much like John Ritter.) "Alice" would have done just fine without Linda Lavin. IMO, they should have kept Polly and dumped Linda.
Wawwie 09-18-2019, 02:54 PM The bottom line is Lavin should never have had so much control to begin with and they shouldn't have called the show "Alice"!
The show should have been called "Mel's Diner"
Ronny G 09-18-2019, 03:24 PM The show should have been called "Mel's Diner"
I think you're right. In the first season, they tried to show Alice's home life raising her son, but as the show progressed, the majority of episodes took place in the diner and some episodes focused on the other characters--not just Alice. I do like Linda Lavin, but it wasn't like she was a huge name when the show started like Mary Tyler Moore.
When I remind my friends about Alice, most have forgotten or don't remember the show, until I remind them that she was a waitress at Mel's Diner. I think "Mel's Diner" would've been more catchy and memorable.
SitcomsHeydayfan 09-19-2019, 03:44 AM I searched the newspaper archives and found this article.
That's really interesting!
So Linda Lavin didn't fire Belle rather she left on her own. Really dumb decision and I agree with TVguy's comment above. Diane Ladd obviously knew what type of show Alice was. If she hated it so much she should never have joined! She never enjoyed this much success in her career again!
My opinion of Linda Lavin may have gone up somewhat after reading this.
Ronny G 09-19-2019, 05:21 PM Here's a link to an audio interview from 2010 with Diane Ladd. Very interesting! She talks about her experience on Alice at the 16 minute mark if you want to skip ahead. She says that nobody got along on that show. She said Polly was a lovely actress but she didn't get along with "the other actress". lol There's more. Definitely worth a listen! Very telling.
http://onscreenandbeyond.com/podcast/osb092DLadd.mp3
TV Guy 09-19-2019, 09:25 PM Interesting - thanks for posting. She’s a little full of herself, talking about how the ratings doubled when she joined (they didn’t). But she’s pretty gracious towards the other actors on the show, explaining that she didn’t know what they were going through during that time.
Mr. Television 09-19-2019, 10:06 PM I searched the newspaper archives and found this article.
Goes to show you that there were dumb critics back in the 80's too.
Mr. Television 09-19-2019, 10:09 PM So Linda had nothing to do with Diane leaving. It was her decision.
SitcomsHeydayfan 09-20-2019, 02:46 AM Interesting - thanks for posting. She’s a little full of herself, talking about how the ratings doubled when she joined (they didn’t). But she’s pretty gracious towards the other actors on the show, explaining that she didn’t know what they were going through during that time.
What were they going through??
SitcomsHeydayfan 09-20-2019, 02:49 AM So Linda had nothing to do with Diane leaving. It was her decision.
That's really surprising considering everything we've read on here. Diane likely won't admit it but her career would have been better off if she finished Alice or at least stayed a few more seasons.
Ronny G 09-20-2019, 04:58 AM I kind of regret posting that 1982 newspaper article now because I think the article is misleading some people. If you really read the article, there is only one small quote from Diane in quotations saying she's leaving the show because the character wasn't developing the way that they planned. She kept it very brief, professional, and no mud-slinging. The rest of the article is mostly the TV critic's views panning the show for it's poor writing and cheap laughs, and making it sound like that's the reason Diane quit. I don't think Diane would say all those things, especially at the time because she wouldn't want to piss off the studio, or writers, directors, actors, etc. especially if she wanted to remain a working actress in Hollywood.
If you listen to the radio interview done almost 30 years later, Diane can speak more openly and freely because so much time has passed. She clearly says she left the show because there was a lot of discord and petty jealousies among some of the cast members. Basically, it was not a fun work environment to be around.
Mr. Television 09-20-2019, 08:33 AM I kind of regret posting that 1982 newspaper article now because I think the article is misleading some people. If you really read the article, there is only one small quote from Diane in quotations saying she's leaving the show because the character wasn't developing the way that they planned. She kept it very brief, professional, and no mud-slinging. The rest of the article is mostly the TV critic's views panning the show for it's poor writing and cheap laughs, and making it sound like that's the reason Diane quit. I don't think Diane would say all those things, especially at the time because she wouldn't want to piss off the studio, or writers, directors, actors, etc. especially if she wanted to remain a working actress in Hollywood.
If you listen to the radio interview done almost 30 years later, Diane can speak more openly and freely because so much time has passed. She clearly says she left the show because there was a lot of discord and petty jealousies among some of the cast members. Basically, it was not a fun work environment to be around.
It sounds like Linda and Polly did not get along and it might have spilled over into some of the other cast members. It's really too bad because the show is still enjoyable to me to watch. I wonder if things got better as time went on. I have old TV Guides where they were filming the last episode and all the cast seemed very sad that it was ending.
Kasey 09-20-2019, 08:52 AM I can't remember who said it, but about 20 years ago some character actor who had worked on both shows stated how different it was working on Three's Company, where the cast was friendly and welcoming vs. Alice, where you could cut the tension with a knife and nobody seemed to be having a good time.
SitcomsHeydayfan 09-21-2019, 12:24 AM It sounds like Linda and Polly did not get along and it might have spilled over into some of the other cast members. It's really too bad because the show is still enjoyable to me to watch. I wonder if things got better as time went on. I have old TV Guides where they were filming the last episode and all the cast seemed very sad that it was ending.
They were probably sad because they were losing a huge weekly paycheck! :lol:
But I'm sure they got along for the most part that final episode because it was OVER & they'd never see each other again!
Kasey 09-21-2019, 09:20 AM I've read that Celia did not have problems on the set with LL the way Polly and Diane did and that she felt very welcome. By 1985, I assume there was less tension and the cast really were sad it was over. I don't think it took much "acting" to show all that emotion in the final episode.
TV Guy 09-21-2019, 09:24 AM What were they going through??
She was speculating. She basically said it was an unhappy set, but she didn’t want to judge because you don’t always know what people are going through personally which may affect their attitude and happiness at work. It was a gracious way of saying there might have been reasons for the unhappiness that she didn’t know about.
SitcomsHeydayfan 09-26-2019, 12:08 AM She was speculating. She basically said it was an unhappy set, but she didn’t want to judge because you don’t always know what people are going through personally which may affect their attitude and happiness at work. It was a gracious way of saying there might have been reasons for the unhappiness that she didn’t know about.
At least it's good that no one forced her out.
DEH55 12-29-2020, 05:41 PM I was looking at the closing credits from the series finale and there are still photos of everyone including Polly. The only person who does not get one is Diane Ladd. Damn. Lol It's like they pretended she was never on the show.
DEH55 12-30-2020, 03:57 AM I just saw a interview with Linda from the Donny and Marie show and they talk about Alice and they talk about the great cast they had. And Linda mentions Polly and says that after Flo there was Jolene. Again no mention of Diane Ladd or Belle. lol Is it possible that things were worse between Linda and Diane then they were with Polly. I find it funny that a couple times Diane is erased from Alice history. Lol
TVFactFan 12-30-2020, 10:21 PM I was looking at the closing credits from the series finale and there are still photos of everyone including Polly. The only person who does not get one is Diane Ladd. Damn. Lol It's like they pretended she was never on the show.
Im determined not to miss the finale this time around. I cant believe I watched the cycle and missed the finale:crazy:
TVLegend 12-30-2020, 10:24 PM Im determined not to miss the finale this time around. I cant believe I watched the cycle and missed the finale:crazy:
Well I can’t watch it cause’ for some reason whenever I attempt to watch it I choke up too much lol
TVFactFan 12-31-2020, 02:29 AM Well I can’t watch it cause’ for some reason whenever I attempt to watch it I choke up too much lol
Im thinking this maybe the last cycle so if I miss it now I will have to buy the DVD:lol:
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