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http://www.tmz.com/2018/03/29/last-man-standing-tim-allen-reboot-fox-rosanne/
Following Roseanne's blockbuster ratings, TMZ reports Fox is seriously considering bring back the Tim Allen sitcom since it's owned by 20th Century Fox. TMZ reports Fox is also thinking of reviving That '70s Show, Married with Children and Malcolm in the Middle.
icecream 03-30-2018, 02:03 AM I have a better idea: if you are bringing back a Tim Allen show make it Home Improvement. Yes Earl Hindman is dead but the rest of the cast is still around. After all, Home Improvement aired a few of the same years with Roseanne, LMS just ended last year.
Chocolate Moose 03-30-2018, 03:35 PM It will be hard to get the entire cast of That 70's Show on the same page. Didn't the show run long enough anyway?
I didn't watch the others.
I have a better idea: if you are bringing back a Tim Allen show make it Home Improvement. Yes Earl Hindman is dead but the rest of the cast is still around. After all, Home Improvement aired a few of the same years with Roseanne, LMS just ended last year.
Will Home Improvement and Frasier be revived next? (http://ew.com/tv/2018/03/30/will-home-improvement-and-frasier-be-revived-next/)
king of comedy 03-30-2018, 05:50 PM Best to leave Home Improvemet in the 90s. It fitted its' time and hasn't aged well. Fraiser I can see. I agree on That 70s Show. Let it be.
stevea 03-30-2018, 08:54 PM Home Improvement hasn't done well in syndication for the past several years. It made a go of it for awhile on Hallmark last year, but they dropped it like a hot potato. I think Laff or some diginet has picked it up...we'll see how well it does there.
Malcolm in the Middle has been out of the syndication picture for years...I can't see that coming back, either.
JO Sweet Heart 04-01-2018, 05:01 PM I would love to see the show get another season if not more.
God bless you always!!!
Holly
icecream 04-01-2018, 06:19 PM Home Improvement hasn't done well in syndication for the past several years. It made a go of it for awhile on Hallmark last year, but they dropped it like a hot potato. I think Laff or some diginet has picked it up...we'll see how well it does there.
Malcolm in the Middle has been out of the syndication picture for years...I can't see that coming back, either.I wish LAFF picked up Home Improvement, but they haven't.
Svenfan1234 04-01-2018, 06:24 PM I wish LAFF picked up Home Improvement, but they haven't.
They'll add it this fall!
icecream 04-01-2018, 06:25 PM Will Home Improvement and Frasier be revived next? (http://ew.com/tv/2018/03/30/will-home-improvement-and-frasier-be-revived-next/)A few months ago I wouldn't have minded a Frasier revival. But John Mahoney was too vital to the show to continue without him. Maybe a spin-off starring Roz or Niles and Daphne.
icecream 04-01-2018, 06:28 PM They'll add it this fall!Excellent! Kind of surprising considering LAFF generally airs racier shows. Is 3rd Rock from the Sun still coming?
WilliamHBonney 04-02-2018, 04:44 PM Part of why Roseanne came back so strong is because the show was a huge cultural force in it's time and because her public persona got back in the news with Trump. Other revivals ala X Files,24,Boy Meets World haven't done so hot. And then Will and Grace(which also has been a constant in cable reruns and is a streaming hit) started out with high numbers for it's Premiere reboot, by it's latest episode got a .9 rating in the Demo. What Roseanne is doing is a bit of anomoly.
Outside of Last Man Standing( Which I think would get a lot of eyeballs from people who never watched the show because it's cancellation triggered many on the Right)most of these reboots would/will flop hard.
I stopped watching after season 1. All the recasting turned me off from wanting to watch it anymore.
JO Sweet Heart 05-03-2018, 02:55 PM This show could be on its way back! Go here (http://deadline.com/2018/05/last-man-standing-eyes-return-fox-tim-allen-1202379904/) for the latest!
God bless you always!!!
Holly
This show could be on its way back! Go here (http://deadline.com/2018/05/last-man-standing-eyes-return-fox-tim-allen-1202379904/) for the latest!
God bless you always!!!
Holly
Fox is interested in reviving Last Man Standing (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/last-man-standing-fox-eyes-revival-tim-allens-abc-comedy-1107616)
Tim Allen (https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/8gsecv/last_man_standing_revival_eyed_at_fox_tim_allen/#bottom-comments) has reportedly signed on for a revival (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/last-man-standing-eyes-resurrection-175814477.html) of his ABC comedy, which was canceled last year amid controversy. "They heard all your voices people!!" (https://twitter.com/ofctimallen/status/992099989076742144) Allen tweeted this morning. "LMS just might be a reality. Keep it up. Who wants more #LastManStanding?" Allen blamed the cancelation on his and the show's conservative politics (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/09/27/tim-allen-thinks-conservative-politics-might-be-why-last-man-standing-got-canceled/), telling Norm Macdonald on his podcast that the cancelation was "handled very badly...You couldn’t have handled this worse." ABC Entertainment president Channing Dungey (http://forums.previously.tv/topic/57325-canceled/?tab=comments#comment-3942295) said the cancelation was due to "business and scheduling reasons." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/05/16/no-abc-says-last-man-standing-was-not-canceled-because-of-tim-allens-politics/) But in the wake of the blockbuster ratings for the Roseanne revival, Fox is eyeing bringing back Last Man Standing (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.arts.tv/jkR1dtY5wqQ) for a seventh season, especially since the network's studio counterpart 20th Century Fox television owns the series. "Discussions are also underway with producers and stars from the former ABC comedy to return," according to The Hollywood Reporter. "Insiders stress the talks are on the early side and could break down ahead of the network's May 14 upfront presentation to Madison Avenue ad buyers." After Last Man Standing's cancelation, CMT was in talks to revive the sitcom. But the negotiations broke down due to the hefty price tag of a network comedy.
JO Sweet Heart 05-04-2018, 09:23 PM According to this website here (https://pagesix.com/2018/05/03/tim-allens-last-man-standing-to-return-on-fox/), the show will be back this fall!
God bless you always!!!
Holly
Part of why Roseanne came back so strong is because the show was a huge cultural force in it's time and because her public persona got back in the news with Trump. Other revivals ala X Files,24,Boy Meets World haven't done so hot. And then Will and Grace(which also has been a constant in cable reruns and is a streaming hit) started out with high numbers for it's Premiere reboot, by it's latest episode got a .9 rating in the Demo. What Roseanne is doing is a bit of anomoly.
Outside of Last Man Standing( Which I think would get a lot of eyeballs from people who never watched the show because it's cancellation triggered many on the Right)most of these reboots would/will flop hard.
The political angle for the cancellation seems to be pushed from Tim Allen and the conservative media/fan base because it was the only show on ABC that didn't push a liberal agenda. It does seem like what they said was true when you look at what ABC airs (shows with a lot of diversity that seem to appeal to liberal audience's values), but the fact that it was a conservative show being cancelled on a network with shows mostly aimed for a liberal audience is just a coincidence.
It would have cost too much (mostly Tim Allen) to make another season with the ratings it had, ABC didn't own it so they wouldn't make any money on syndication, so it was a smart business decision by ABC.
TV Guy 05-05-2018, 06:34 AM the fact that it was a conservative show being cancelled on a network with shows mostly aimed for a liberal audience is just a coincidence.
LOL. Were you able to type that with a straight face? What happened to the desired “diversity” that we’re always hearing so much about? Does “diversity” only apply to liberal thought?
“Last Man Standing” was ABC’s second-highest-rated comedy at the time of cancellation. ABC renewed shows that had smaller audiences where ABC had no ownership (“The Middle”, “Fresh off the Boat”). And “The Middle” has been on longer, so that’s an expensive show.
Anyone who thinks that Tim’s (and the show’s) politics didn’t figure into this is naive about the politics of television. Channing Dungey, ABC president, said at the time, “I wouldn’t say [politics] was the deciding factor”. Very telling - because that implies that it was a factor. Later on, her denials became more vehement.
When a network is cancelling a show with a 1.7 rating in the 18-49 demo - on low-rated Friday nights, no less - then something else is going on. It was one of the top rated comedies on broadcast TV. I guarantee you if the show had been called Last Woman Standing and was about a liberal woman surrounded by conservatives, ABC would have done everything it could to save it.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/why-last-man-standing-was-canceled-tim-allen-responds-1004414
IllinoisTVFan 05-06-2018, 03:08 PM LOL. Were you able to type that with a straight face? What happened to the desired “diversity” that we’re always hearing so much about? Does “diversity” only apply to liberal thought?
“Last Man Standing” was ABC’s second-highest-rated comedy at the time of cancellation. ABC renewed shows that had smaller audiences where ABC had no ownership (“The Middle”, “Fresh off the Boat”). And “The Middle” has been on longer, so that’s an expensive show.
Anyone who thinks that Tim’s (and the show’s) politics didn’t figure into this is naive about the politics of television. Channing Dungey, ABC president, said at the time, “I wouldn’t say [politics] was the deciding factor”. Very telling - because that implies that it was a factor. Later on, her denials became more vehement.
When a network is cancelling a show with a 1.7 rating in the 18-49 demo - on low-rated Friday nights, no less - then something else is going on. It was one of the top rated comedies on broadcast TV. I guarantee you if the show had been called Last Woman Standing and was about a liberal woman surrounded by conservatives, ABC would have done everything it could to save it.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/why-last-man-standing-was-canceled-tim-allen-responds-1004414
Last Man Standing wasn't ABC's second highest rated comedy, not by a long shot. It was the Goldbergs! Why do people keep pushing this lie? I worked in broadcasting and I see ratings often and it wasn't cancelled because of his views. Rather, it was expensive because he was paid high, and ABC didn't own the rights. They didn't own the rights to Modern Family and the Goldbergs either but higher ratings. Btw I don't even think it was the third or fourth highest rated sitcom, I think it was fifth or sixth.
TV Guy 05-06-2018, 03:47 PM ABC sitcoms viewers in millions (2016-17)
1. Modern Family - 10.8
2. Last Man Standing - 8.3
3. The Middle - 7.8
4. The Goldbergs - 7.8
5. Black-ish - 7.4
“And we saw ABC cancel its second-most watched comedy, “Last Man Standing”
- Deadline, http://deadline.com/2017/05/upfronts-2017-trends-network-ownership-license-fee-tough-negotiations-1202093986/
Not a lie. Lots of us have worked in television, btw. And my advice to you is to be careful of calling people liars when you don’t have your own facts straight.
IllinoisTVFan 05-06-2018, 05:11 PM ABC sitcoms viewers in millions (2016-17)
1. Modern Family - 10.8
2. Last Man Standing - 8.3
3. The Middle - 7.8
4. The Goldbergs - 7.8
5. Black-ish - 7.4
“And we saw ABC cancel its second-most watched comedy, “Last Man Standing”
- Deadline, http://deadline.com/2017/05/upfronts-2017-trends-network-ownership-license-fee-tough-negotiations-1202093986/
Not a lie. Lots of us have worked in television, btw. And my advice to you is to be careful of calling people liars when you don’t have your own facts straight.
As someone who worked in broadcasting, I can assuredly state that networks don't cancel shows that are profitable. Tim Allen was expensive, as was the show. My advice to you is not to assume shows are cancelled due to an actor being a Trump supporter. Networks don't care about that. As for ratings here's this: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/renewcancel/cancel-bear-vs-abc-week-16-the-goldbergs-is-a-sure-bet-renewal/ “The Goldbergs” is the No. 2 comedy on ABC behind “Modern Family,” and it has capably filled the Wednesday leadoff spot previously held by “The Middle.”
TV Guy 05-07-2018, 05:40 AM As someone who worked in broadcasting, I can assuredly state that networks don't cancel shows that are profitable. Tim Allen was expensive, as was the show. My advice to you is not to assume shows are cancelled due to an actor being a Trump supporter. Networks don't care about that. As for ratings here's this: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/renewcancel/cancel-bear-vs-abc-week-16-the-goldbergs-is-a-sure-bet-renewal/ “The Goldbergs” is the No. 2 comedy on ABC behind “Modern Family,” and it has capably filled the Wednesday leadoff spot previously held by “The Middle.”
As someone who has worked in broadcasting, surely you know the difference between total viewership, which is what I was talking about when I stated that “Last Man Standing” was ABC’s second-highest rated program, and the 18-49 demographic, which is what you are showing. Your link also shows the ratings for a partial season as opposed to the full season. I’m also assuming those ratings aren’t Live +7 numbers in the demographic, because this article from the same source shows LMS at 1.7 in the demo for the season.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/more-tv-news/last-man-standing-canceled-by-abc/
Your original article shows “Last Man Standing” as likely to be renewed. Telling.
And yes, networks do sometimes cancel profitable shows. Go look at the history of “Lou Grant”, which was the reverse situation - Asner’s liberal politics made CBS nervous and they cancelled the still well-rated show. Or how about “Just the Ten of Us”, which was well-rated, but ABC cancelled it to give the timeslot to a more favored producer. Going further back, how about when CBS cancelled “Gilligan’s Island” so they could renew “Gunsmoke”, which was a personal favorite of the chairman of CBS. Or sometimes they cancel profitable shows because they think their replacements will be more profitable (re: CBS and ABC cancelling daytime soaps in recent years).
It was also interesting that in previous seasons, ABC negotiated with 20th Television to reduce the license fee on the show, which is what networks will often do with long-running, highly-rated shows that they don’t own. In the case of LMS, the show was cancelled with no negotiation, even though 20th was open to a reduced license fee (http://deadline.com/2017/05/last-man-standing-canceled-by-abc-after-6-seasons-1202089263/).
But getting back to the original disagreement: you claimed that “Last Man Standing wasn't ABC's second highest rated comedy, not by a long shot.” Yes, it was. Your link doesn’t refute that. You are wrong, and your “I have worked in broadcasting claim” doesn’t change that (just an FYI - I used to work for Fox Broadcasting’s parent company, so as I said above, you’re not the only one with experience in the industry.).
Television is like any other business. Occasionally people let their personal feelings bias their business decisions. None of us other than Channing Dungey can say with 100% certainty whether or not that happened here. But I highly suspect that it did.
IllinoisTVFan 05-07-2018, 01:26 PM I'm aware that shows are cancelled for a variety of issues but they didn't cancel this show because of his views. Considering many of the executives supported Trump that is silly. No, they cancelled it because it was expensive and Tim Allen commanded an expensive salary. With broadcasting it comes down to money and apparently ABC figured it was no longer profitable. Your examples of other shows cancelled for no reason (and of course it has happened) doesn't apply here. As for being the second comedy, then why did many people state that the Goldbergs was the second rated comedy on ABC? I saw other articles on this, not just what I posted. I'm aware of the 18-49 demo and I'm aware that the networks look at that in determining shows.
TV Guy 05-08-2018, 07:59 AM I do believe Tim Allen’s views were a factor in the show’s cancellation. Not the deciding factor, but a factor. I think you’re being naive, but we can agree to disagree.
That said, you stated “Last Man Standing wasn’t ABC’s second highest rated comedy, not by a long shot” and said “Why do people keep pushing this lie?” I provided a link to a well-respected trade that stated Last Man Standing was ABC’s number 2 rated comedy in total viewers. And here’s another: http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/24/top-50-shows-2016-17-season/. Not a lie.
You stated “I can assuredly state that networks don’t cancel shows that are profitable”. I provided you several examples that refute that. Your statement here is inaccurate as well.
IllinoisTVFan 05-08-2018, 12:35 PM I'm done arguing with you, you will believe what you what and the delusional person is you. Networks don't care what a star's political views are if a show is profitable and apparently this is the case here. Believe that he is being discriminated against for liking Trump like all the other snowflakes who think this. You can respond but I'm not going to respond back so keep pushing the agenda that they care what Tim Allen believes.
The (possible) thinking behind FOX’s ‘Last Man Standing’ play (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/more-tv-news/masked-scheduler-the-possible-thinking-behind-foxs-last-man-standing-play/)
“Last Man Standing” might be returning next season (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/more-tv-news/last-man-standing-could-rise-again-at-fox/) — not to ABC, but rather to FOX (https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/8iqlco/tim_allens_last_man_standing_officially_revived/?sort=new). First of all, I would not consider this a reboot, but rather a salvage since it has only been off the air for a season. It’s an interesting move on several levels (https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/8i2p3a/the_possible_thinking_behind_foxs_last_man/).
The most obvious (whether accurate or not) explanation is that this is a response to the success of “Roseanne” and an attempt to tap into the national mood, which many believe is not being reflected in the “cocooned” world of Hollywood. Like Roseanne Barr, Tim Allen’s political views are such that he accused ABC of cancelling the show, in part, as a reflection of those views. ABC’s position was that the show had become too expensive: The network was paying a license fee to 20th Century Fox TV with no ability to benefit from the backend. ABC was operating the show at a loss.
I guess there is a possibility that the fans of “Roseanne” would embrace “LMS,” and on FOX, you have the added benefit of using the news channel to help promote the show to what they feel would be the target audience. I honestly have never been a fan of either show, but I would bet that they are not as similar as those making this decision would think.
What is also interesting about this revival is that “LMS” would go from ABC to the sister network (FOX) of the studio (20th Century Fox) producing the show at a moment when that studio is poised to become part of the Disney empire within the next year and a half. This would leave FBC in the same position that ABC (which would then be the sister network of 20th) was in when they felt the show was too expensive to return. This all boggles the mind.
Putting all that aside, you have to assume that FOX did not have a very promising comedy development year if they needed to look to a six-year-old multi-cam family comedy, a genre that they have avoided for years. There’s really nothing on the network that can pair up with this show. My guess is if this happens, it would be for midseason, unless they are desperate and need to get it on in the fall. If it’s midseason FOX at least can look for some possible companion shows.
Finally, there is not a great history of shows jumping networks and succeeding. In this case, we are also talking about a show that has been off the air for a year and had a successful but quiet life on Friday night. “Taxi” lasted one season on NBC, as did “The Jeff Foxworthy Show.”
I looked at the list of scripted shows that switched networks, and they generally last a season. The one major exception is “JAG,” which spent one season on NBC before moving to CBS and enjoying a long run, then morphing into the “NCIS” franchise.
I wish FOX well with this possible decision, but it feels like there is far more downside than upside. Why a show on a network (ABC) that thrives on family comedies would work on a network (FOX) that prides itself with edgy single-camera fare is a mystery to me. I guess we’ll find out.
TV Guy 05-11-2018, 08:41 PM I'm done arguing with you, you will believe what you what and the delusional person is you. Networks don't care what a star's political views are if a show is profitable and apparently this is the case here. Believe that he is being discriminated against for liking Trump like all the other snowflakes who think this. You can respond but I'm not going to respond back so keep pushing the agenda that they care what Tim Allen believes.
You’re done arguing because you’ve made two misinformed statements and can’t admit it, so you’re starting with the personal insults.
Last Man Standing wasn't ABC's second highest rated comedy, not by a long shot. It was the Goldbergs! Why do people keep pushing this lie?
Because it’s not a lie.
From Deadline: “And we saw ABC cancel its second-most watched comedy, “Last Man Standing.”
http://deadline.com/2017/05/upfronts-2017-trends-network-ownership-license-fee-tough-negotiations-1202093986/
And just yesterday, from Vanity Fair: “When Last Man Standing was canceled last May, it was ABC’s second most-watched comedy behind Modern Family—and petitions sprang up almost immediately for its revival”
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/05/fox-comedies-canceled-brooklyn-nine-nine-the-mick-last-man-on-earth-tim-allen-last-man-standing-revival
As someone who worked in broadcasting, I can assuredly state that networks don't cancel shows that are profitable.
Tell that to the producers of “Gilligan’s Island”, “Lou Grant”, “One Life to Live”, “All My Children”, “House Calls”, “Bridget Loves Bernie” and more. Ed Asner made a strong case that “Lou Grant’s” cancellation was due to his political views. I believe him. https://www.nytimes.com/1982/05/18/arts/asner-calls-lou-grant-censored.html
I’m not expecting to convince you that last year’s cancellation of LMS was politically motivated. I think it was highly suspect, but as I mentioned previously, only the president of ABC truly knows. That said, I do expect you to be adult enough to admit that your above statements were incorrect.
TV Guy 05-11-2018, 08:52 PM I wish FOX well with this possible decision, but it feels like there is far more downside than upside. Why a show on a network (ABC) that thrives on family comedies would work on a network (FOX) that prides itself with edgy single-camera fare is a mystery to me. I guess we’ll find out.
I agree with this. A pickup from ABC would have made sense last year. But the show is an odd fit for Fox, and is a complete 180 from its recent comedy strategy. My guess is that LMS will be one and done on Fox.
The (possible) thinking behind FOX’s ‘Last Man Standing’ play (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/more-tv-news/masked-scheduler-the-possible-thinking-behind-foxs-last-man-standing-play/)
LMS may have had decent ratings overall, but it faltered in the 18-49 demographic which is important for advertising (and how ABC made money off the show). ABC cancelled it because they didn't own it, Fox did. So, they only made money on commercials. Unless it was the #1 show on the air, they were going to lose money on it. Especially since it would require contract extensions and get even more expensive for ABC. So, they cancelled it despite decent ratings (ABC's cancellation wasn't politically motivated, just business). Had Fox picked it up immediately, they would have had to give everyone raises. By waiting a year, they probably got much better deals on the actor's rates because they're willing to cut a deal to get it back. Plus, since they already own the show, they'll get a cut of syndication and other extras that ABC never would have.
TV Guy 05-12-2018, 06:00 AM LMS Unless it was the #1 show on the air, they were going to lose money on it.
ABC has other shows that they don’t own, such as “The Middle” and “Fresh Off The Boat”, that are not the #1 show on the air, yet they still manage to make money on them. “The Middle”, at the time, had been on the air for eight years, and therefore was expensive, but somehow ABC made money on that. LMS had a 1.7 rating in the 18-49 demo on a Friday night. That’s a very solid rating on the lowest-rated night of the week.
20th Century Fox was willing to negotiate with ABC on the license fee, according to the Deadline stories I posted above. But ABC wasn’t even willing to negotiate. Negotiating the license fee is standard for an aging but still well-rated show. ABC just cancelled it with no discussion.
Channing Dungey, ABC president, said at the time, “I wouldn’t say [politics] was the deciding factor”. Very telling, because that implies it was a factor.
A very suspect cancellation. Look at “Lou Grant”, which I believe was a similar scenario, except that Asner’s politics were liberal instead of conservative.
Yong Fang 05-12-2018, 08:18 AM I can't stand Tim Allen, but the lady who plays the wife is foxy. If I was in the TV Universe, I would run Tim Allen over high on Coke and run off with the wife to Alcapulco.
JO Sweet Heart 05-12-2018, 03:15 PM ^^^ I look at that lady and I still can't believe that its the lady who leaves her infant with Tom Selleck, Steve Guttenberg, and Ted Danson back in the late 1980's. :D :D :D
God bless you and them and her always!!!
Holly
P.S. She did really well on speaking with a London accent in that film.
FOX's era of oddball sitcoms comes to an end (https://tv.avclub.com/brooklyn-cops-new-girls-last-men-and-the-end-of-a-si-1825969273)
Brooklyn cops, new girls, last men, and the end of a sitcom lineup for
the ages
by Erik Adams
With New Girl previously set to conclude its Fox run on Tuesday, May
15 and the fates of L.A. To Vegas and Ghosted (the latter of which has
six retooled episodes hanging in limbo) still undecided, the shape of
funny Fox things to come looked increasingly like Tim Allen pandering
to Trump Country. Friday’s Last Man Standing revival confirmed it: One
of TV’s most reliable sources for oddball sitcoms is drying up. It’s a
minor miracle that it lasted as long as it did.
Mr. Television 05-13-2018, 04:51 AM FOX's era of oddball sitcoms comes to an end (https://tv.avclub.com/brooklyn-cops-new-girls-last-men-and-the-end-of-a-si-1825969273)
Good because most of them weren't funny.
icecream 05-13-2018, 11:07 AM Good because most of them weren't funny.I totally agree. Back to You was easily their best sitcom and it wasn't typical FOX. I liked Raising Hope to an extent but it was hit and miss. I also liked short lived summer comedy The Goodwin Games but it was basically a burnoff from the start. I might have forgotten some (or not), but those three might be the only FOX sitcoms I have liked in their history. There are more dramas and some unscripted like Greed and Beyond Belief I have liked but they are not comedies. From some descriptions of The Mick plotlines I have seen it was total trash that somehow masqueraded as a family comedy. Married with Children was even trashier and total garbage. And way too much animated junk as well. With their new (hopefully a lot less trashier) direction that could be a good sign of things to come. The nursing home comedy coming next season sounds interesting and has a good cast, I have liked David Alan Grier in DAG, Life With Bonnie, and Jumanji. I have also liked Martin Mull in Sabrina the Teenage Witch and Vicki Lawrence in the Dick Clark Pyramids.
king of comedy 05-13-2018, 09:39 PM I agree with you on The Mick. I'm glad that it's cancelled. It is garbage.The only good animated show is Bob's Burgers. The Simpsons was a great but now it's junk. Let's hope FOX will turn things around.
The Return of ‘Last Man Standing’ and the Collapse of Social Justice Pandering (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/matt-norcross/2018/05/19/return-last-man-standing-and-collapse-social-justice-pandering)
The fact that Fox is even reviving the show (http://forums.previously.tv/topic/70093-fox-revives-last-man-standing/?do=getLastComment) in the first place is good news for Middle America.
For several years, content creators working in Hollywood, and especially the “big three” networks (and the Fox broadcast network itself to some extent) thought they could win an audience with taboo and “edgy” fare such as explicit sex, wishing death to Republicans, and on-camera abortions — combined a feeling of superiority on screen and off.
These combined factors have made audiences feel left out, but the good news is that the rest of the country is being catered to by certain people in show business again.
Here’s how…
When the revival of the classic 80’s/90’s sitcom Roseanne premiered to over 18 million viewers, it proved that despite most of the entertainment industry openly leaning left, there was still room for a broadcast TV show catered to conservative or middle-of-the-road people (but more specifically the working class) in flyover country.
And as it turns out, Last Man Standing was also one of these shows. Odds are that when it returns in the fall, it will no-doubt continue to be a great alternative.
All the while, it’s worth asking what happened to shows like the CBS sitcom Superior Donuts, the Fox dramedy Brooklyn Nine-Nine, the two ABC dramas Quantico and Designated Survivor, and the Catholic-bashing NBC teen series Rise? They all ended up getting cancelled due to low ratings (although Brooklyn Nine-Nine ended up with NBC). For all the promotional efforts each of these network put into their shows, it certainly didn’t pan out. How embarrassing!
The truth is most of the people who make these shows don’t get it. They have no knowledge of what the average American can relate to, and have disdain — even contempt — for what they do know. In the case of Last Man Standing, they don’t like outdoorsmen or intact, nuclear families. They lecture about pet issues such as gun control and abortion, and want to force the rest of the country to accept these things.
Even regardless of that, more people are tuning into streaming services rather than linear TV channels, and established TV brands — especially those aimed at kids — are feeling the impact. So why are these established businesses doubling down on alienating their audience by putting out explicit programming doubling as propaganda? In the case of the former, there are parents and children watching TV too, you know.
No matter what, the return of Last Man Standing is a victory for consumers and anyone looking for true diversity in primetime network content. And, most of all, the return of Mike Baxter is certain to trigger more than a few liberals. And who doesn’t love that?
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