Local Arkansas news station claims they are having an update on the case this coming week. Apparently a witness has stepped forward.

Here's their tweet:

A story you'll only see on Channel 7. @KATVJason with the investigation and the new interview that will shed light on a story that most every Saline County resident has heard of. Next Thursday at 10, only on KATV.

Link to tweet: https://twitter.com/KATVNICK/status/962343269559668736

No idea how groundbreaking it will be, as I don't live in Arkansas. I just thought people here might be interested.

Good they have it on camera, as every witness in the case appeared to meet suspicious ends in the ensuing years after.

Nice. Will be looking forward to what this witness says.

Nice. Will be looking forward to what this witness says.

I believe it is a former WWE wrestler who claimed he was working as an "enforcer" for a drug running operation. He said he was on drugs and needed money and that Barry Seal was the head of the drug running operation. He mentioned how a "politician" from Arkansas called him and told him they had a drop scheduled and needed muscle because someone had been stealing the money that was being dropped. This guy told him he thought it was the local cops that were stealing the money.

Most of the stuff he says has already been speculated in public (Seal, Arkansas "politicians", local attorneys and a bar owner). I wonder if he is just reading reports and trying to insert himself in this or whether he is legit. I guess we'll see.

Link to his Youtube confession: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qsdisq-vs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qsdisq-vs)

Here he is fighting Macho Man Savage in the WWE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-aEOlf45r4

Would be a crazy story if true. I will remain skeptical because this guy has obviously had a lot of concussions in the WWE. No telling what his motives might be.

I believe it is a former WWE wrestler who claimed he was working as an "enforcer" for a drug running operation. He said he was on drugs and needed money and that Barry Seal was the head of the drug running operation. He mentioned how a "politician" from Arkansas called him and told him they had a drop scheduled and needed muscle because someone had been stealing the money that was being dropped. This guy told him he thought it was the local cops that were stealing the money.

Most of the stuff he says has already been speculated in public (Seal, Arkansas "politicians", local attorneys and a bar owner). I wonder if he is just reading reports and trying to insert himself in this or whether he is legit. I guess we'll see.

Link to his Youtube confession: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qsdisq-vs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qsdisq-vs)

Here he is fighting Macho Man Savage in the WWE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-aEOlf45r4

Would be a crazy story if true. I will remain skeptical because this guy has obviously had a lot of concussions in the WWE. No telling what his motives might be.


I would think even a local news station would do some decent due diligence on a source of info before using it to bring up an old case, esp. one as notorious as this.

oh Lord, Billy Jack Haynes. That guy is a certifiable NUTCASE. I have his shoot interview where he basically threatens to kill Vince McMahon and blames every wrestler that has died in the last 20 years on Vince. To say that he has anger management issues would be putting it mildly.

He also claims to have info on the Michael Francke murder and how he was forced to leave the state of Oregon before he testified and how his father's life was threatened if he testified.

Crazy if he knows info on *two* UM cases, but somehow I would take anything this man says with a colossal grain of salt.

I believe it is a former WWE wrestler who claimed he was working as an "enforcer" for a drug running operation.

Saw this and instantly knew it was going to be Billy Jack Haynes. I really hope there is more to this story than just his confession. He's got about as much credibility as Bigfoot sightings.

Haynes is also asking for money via a gofundme page. Uh-huh.

I'm suspicious of any celebrity that resorts to gofundme.

If I was that reporter, I'd be doing some major backpeddling right about now

The sad thing is, if Haynes started peddling 'Bill & Hillary killed Henry & Ives', and other related nonsense, I'm not sure it would even rank among the 10 craziest things that man believes. He's mentally unhinged.

Henry & Ives were killed 8/23/87. Haynes was still hired by the World Wrestling Federation the week of Don & Kevin's murders. In fact, he wrestled that week, on 8/21/87 in Detroit and 8/25/87 in San Fran.

http://www.thehistoryofwwe.com/87.htm

Unknown why somebody making good money in the WWF would need to resort to a side job. Is he saying he wrestled in Detroit, was in Arkansas a couple days later, then in California a few days after that? I guess that's possible, but extremely unlikely.

Saw this and instantly knew it was going to be Billy Jack Haynes. I really hope there is more to this story than just his confession. He's got about as much credibility as Bigfoot sightings.

I think Bigfoot sightings have more credibility. They haven't been followed by somebody saying that Chris Benoit killed his family because Nancy admitted that Daniel was actually Vince's son. Vince is apparently a sorcerer to make a kid that looks exactly like Chris.

I think Bigfoot sightings have more credibility. They haven't been followed by somebody saying that Chris Benoit killed his family because Nancy admitted that Daniel was actually Vince's son. Vince is apparently a sorcerer to make a kid that looks exactly like Chris.

Speaking of Benoit, the fact that someone from Stamford, CT edited his wikipedia page on the night of the murders, has got to be one of the strangest coincidences of all time.

The only credibility Billy Jack Haynes ever had was when he accused other wrestlers of steroid use and shared some info on the WWF ring boy scandal.

Sadly in recent years, this guy seems to be nothing more than a shill for attention (remember when he blamed Roddy Piper's death on Stone Cold Steve Austin?).

Speaking of Benoit, the fact that someone from Stamford, CT edited his wikipedia page on the night of the murders, has got to be one of the strangest coincidences of all time.

Agreed. The Lapsed Fan has a very good Benoit podcast from over teh summer. It is split over three videos and is almost 10 hours long. The first video (about 4 hours) is worth a listen.

The sad thing is, if Haynes started peddling 'Bill & Hillary killed Henry & Ives', and other related nonsense, I'm not sure it would even rank among the 10 craziest things that man believes. He's mentally unhinged.

Henry & Ives were killed 8/23/87. Haynes was still hired by the World Wrestling Federation the week of Don & Kevin's murders. In fact, he wrestled that week, on 8/21/87 in Detroit and 8/25/87 in San Fran.

http://www.thehistoryofwwe.com/87.htm

Unknown why somebody making good money in the WWF would need to resort to a side job. Is he saying he wrestled in Detroit, was in Arkansas a couple days later, then in California a few days after that? I guess that's possible, but extremely unlikely.

Not to make light, but have you ever heard the WWF's road schedule at that time? That sounds exactly like something they would do in the mid 80's.

Not to make light, but have you ever heard the WWF's road schedule at that time? That sounds exactly like something they would do in the mid 80's.

I remember Jacques Rougeau describing it as pretty grueling. Considering all of the training, rehearsals, eating, traveling, etc they did, I just don't see how he gets away to Bryant, AR in that short of time frame. This was just coming off WrestleMania III, which did insane figures. Was he that hard up for money that he felt he had to resort to illegal things to get it? It just doesn't make sense.

I remember Jacques Rougeau describing it as pretty grueling. Considering all of the training, rehearsals, eating, traveling, etc they did, I just don't see how he gets away to Bryant, AR in that short of time frame. This was just coming off WrestleMania III, which did insane figures. Was he that hard up for money that he felt he had to resort to illegal things to get it? It just doesn't make sense.

I completely get what you are saying about BJH needing (or not needing) money. I tend to think this may be another attention grab from him (though an odd way of seeking it). I certainly hope he isn't using this as a sick way to draw attention to himself.

Is there any indication the money from the GoFundMe page will go directly to the Ives/Henry families and not to Billy Jack Haynes himself?

I won't completely dismiss his claims yet. I wonder if his strong-arm tactics included applying the full nelson to people. :)

BTW, does this site have a wrestling forum?

Oh Christ-Billy Jerk has already claimed he was mixed up in one Unsolved Mysteries murder-that of Michael Francke, now he is interjecting himself in another? Even by the standards of the wrestling business & working the marks this is low.

All they would have to do is play the Benoit Conspiracy DVD in court & it would kill any remote credibility he had as a convicted felon & confessed drug runner, but it would be exposed probably by his own lawyer, let alone the defence team.

I completely get what you are saying about BJH needing (or not needing) money. I tend to think this may be another attention grab from him (though an odd way of seeking it). I certainly hope he isn't using this as a sick way to draw attention to himself.

Is there any indication the money from the GoFundMe page will go directly to the Ives/Henry families and not to Billy Jack Haynes himself?

I won't completely dismiss his claims yet. I wonder if his strong-arm tactics included applying the full nelson to people. :)

BTW, does this site have a wrestling forum?

Haynes will take that money & blow it on drugs, doubt he has any affiliation with the family & they need their heads examined if he does.

I completely get what you are saying about BJH needing (or not needing) money. I tend to think this may be another attention grab from him (though an odd way of seeking it). I certainly hope he isn't using this as a sick way to draw attention to himself.

Is there any indication the money from the GoFundMe page will go directly to the Ives/Henry families and not to Billy Jack Haynes himself?

I won't completely dismiss his claims yet. I wonder if his strong-arm tactics included applying the full nelson to people. :)

BTW, does this site have a wrestling forum?

Last I knew, there was no wrestling forum here. I think I suggested in the past.

I don't know if there's any hard evidence, but I'm suspicous of any celebrity that uses sites like kickstarter or gofundme. I can cite two examples:

1) Chris Hansen - You may remember him as the host of Dateline's "To Catch A Predator" series of special episodes. A few years ago, he was on kickstarter asking for funds to launch a new version of the show. In turn, he promised people donating they would get things like signed photos, coffee mugs, etc. by a certain date, but lots of people complained they didn't get them. And I'm not sure that relaunched Predator series ever came about either. Considering how controversial it was in the past, I'm not sure any network would touch it nowadays.

2) Zach Braff - A man who is worth an estimated 22 million and still makes good money off Scrubs residuals was on kickstarter a few years ago asking for money to make a movie. The movie in question turned out to be a clunker and he landed on GQ's "Least Influential People".

Last I knew, there was no wrestling forum here. I think I suggested in the past.

I don't know if there's any hard evidence, but I'm suspicous of any celebrity that uses sites like kickstarter or gofundme. I can cite two examples:

1) Chris Hansen - You may remember him as the host of Dateline's "To Catch A Predator" series of special episodes. A few years ago, he was on kickstarter asking for funds to launch a new version of the show. In turn, he promised people donating they would get things like signed photos, coffee mugs, etc. by a certain date, but lots of people complained they didn't get them. And I'm not sure that relaunched Predator series ever came about either. Considering how controversial it was in the past, I'm not sure any network would touch it nowadays.

2) Zach Braff - A man who is worth an estimated 22 million and still makes good money off Scrubs residuals was on kickstarter a few years ago asking for money to make a movie. The movie in question turned out to be a clunker and he landed on GQ's "Least Influential People".

Just because I have a history of arguing (ha!), I'd point out that there ARE exceptions to your rule. A big one would be the Veronica Mars movie. It was pushed by Rob Thomas (the creator of the show) and Kristen Bell (the show's breakout star) and broke all sorts of Kickstarter records for crowdfunding. I helped fund the movie myself-- have an autographed poster in my office to show for it. And as a bonus-- the movie was pretty awesome, too.

There are others, but I think I've made my point.

That being said-- I'm also skeptical of this guy's story. I'd be interested to hear more and will be watching as it all unfolds...

The wrestler claiming this, as others have pointed out, is beyond insane. He's made other outrageous claims.

The wrestler claiming this, as others have pointed out, is beyond insane. He's made other outrageous claims.

He claimed Terry Garvin sexually assaulted him while he was taking a shower-yeah right, nobody in their right mind would try it on with Haynes due to his size & temper. Garvin abused ring boys, the idea of him trying anything with a 290 odd pound 6 foot 5 wild man with convictions is ridiculous.

Claimed he got jerked around in January 1992 over a WWF tryout & was going to shoot Vince McMahon with a gun he had in his car before Hercules talked him out of it.

Claimed he was involved in the murder of Michael Francke. Now claims he was asked to whack a Kennedy in 1984.

Claimed McMahon was the father to Benoit's son & McMahon killed Benoit, the kid & Nancy to cover it all up or something crazy.

Claims he was a high level drug dealer working for Barry Seal during the 1980's-the guy was in great demand & even working against Flair for the NWA tile in the mid 1980's. The WWF schedule was brutal-making the kind of money he was why would he be sitting in a forest in Arkansas on his day off risking arrest & being fired when anybody else could do exactly the same job?

Billy has his age wrong on the video-he would have been mid-late 20's in the late 1970's/early 1980's. Also seems to be off on his drug smuggling timeline as well-he became a smuggler in the early 1990's when Portland Wrestling lost television after 40 years & every territory other than Memphis was out of business & WCW & WWF wanted nothing to do with him. He eventually started skimming the produce & eventually got beaten up real bad by some heavies when they found out. He also got arrested in the late 1990's for promoting a show, taking the ticket money & then never holding it.

It sounds like Linda Ives already believes Haynes' claims. I hope she isn't jumping to conclusions too quickly.

It sounds like Linda Ives already believes Haynes' claims. I hope she isn't jumping to conclusions too quickly.

At this stage I guess like Amy Bradley's family with the conman they are so desperate for answers that they will buy into anybody.

Some more whoppers from Haynes:

Vince is responsible for the deaths of Adrian Adonis, Brady Boone and Junkyard Dog (who all died in car accidents).

Vince snorted cocaine with Hulk Hogan.

Vince is responsible for the lack of Oregon newspaper coverage about an attempt made on his (Haynes) life because said newspaper is owned by an outfit in New York and Vince is from there (he has lived in Connecticut for many years now).

Nancy Benoit allegedly performed oral once on Vince in 1985, and that caused her to be pregnant with his child in the year 2000. Vince is responsible for the deaths of the entire Benoit family as a result.

He (Haynes) did nothing while Bruce Hart 'committed statutory rape on a child.'

Roddy Piper was murdered. Vince is actually innocent of this one, it was Stone Cold Steve Austin who killed him. (Piper died of leukemia). Haynes is outraged of this to the point he is still challenging Austin to a match.

Which brings me to this: How is that Haynes cares nothing at all about what things like prison, drugs, wrestling and engaging in illegal activities might due to his health/safety, yet he is PETRIFIED mind you of what a politician might do about his knowledge of two children being murdered to the point he stays silent about said murders for over 30 years?

Off the hook. Haynes couldn't have less credibility if he got Brian Williams to say he was also there the night of the Henry and Ives murders.

Hopefully he gets charged with a crime for this either way.

Some more whoppers from Haynes:

Vince is responsible for the deaths of Adrian Adonis, Brady Boone and Junkyard Dog (who all died in car accidents).

Vince snorted cocaine with Hulk Hogan.

Vince is responsible for the lack of Oregon newspaper coverage about an attempt made on his (Haynes) life because said newspaper is owned by an outfit in New York and Vince is from there (he has lived in Connecticut for many years now).

Nancy Benoit allegedly performed oral once on Vince in 1985, and that caused her to be pregnant with his child in the year 2000. Vince is responsible for the deaths of the entire Benoit family as a result.

He (Haynes) did nothing while Bruce Hart 'committed statutory rape on a child.'

Roddy Piper was murdered. Vince is actually innocent of this one, it was Stone Cold Steve Austin who killed him. (Piper died of leukemia). Haynes is outraged of this to the point he is still challenging Austin to a match.

Which brings me to this: How is that Haynes cares nothing at all about what things like prison, drugs, wrestling and engaging in illegal activities might due to his health/safety, yet he is PETRIFIED mind you of what a politician might do about his knowledge of two children being murdered to the point he stays silent about said murders for over 30 years?

Off the hook. Haynes couldn't have less credibility if he got Brian Williams to say he was also there the night of the Henry and Ives murders.

Adonis died when the car he was traveling in swerved to avoid a deer-other than Vince transporting that deer there somehow it is hard to see. Boone was an enhancement talent-I don't see any reason why Vince would have any issue with him-he likely barely knew him if at all. JYD was a serious drug addict before he got to WWF, it got worse in Titan but he had been gone for a decade when he fell asleep at the wheel on the way back from his daughters graduation.

Vince no doubt did snort cocaine with Hogan-he admitted to using steroids with him at the 1994 trial & they hung out together a lot-he is telling the truth on this one.

I remember there was publicity when he got his ass kicked for stealing the drugs he was transporting.

Nancy was working in Florida in 1985, no idea how she would even have managed to do this.

I am sure Bruce Hart might of, but then so did probably 90% of the wrestlers back then. Ring rats were throwing themselves at the guys & they weren't checking their ID'S.

Piper was a horribly out of shape guy with a history of hypertension/high blood pressure-it was always a case of when it was going to get him. Piper had actually beaten cancer, his cause of death was a heart attack bought on by a blood clot. Haynes was using Piper & Austin's ex wife who Austin domestically abused to try to get publicity-the idea of 60 plus Haynes against 50 plus Austin in a shoot fight boggles the mind.

Adonis died when the car he was traveling in swerved to avoid a deer-other than Vince transporting that deer there somehow it is hard to see. Boone was an enhancement talent-I don't see any reason why Vince would have any issue with him-he likely barely knew him if at all. JYD was a serious drug addict before he got to WWF, it got worse in Titan but he had been gone for a decade when he fell asleep at the wheel on the way back from his daughters graduation.

Vince no doubt did snort cocaine with Hogan-he admitted to using steroids with him at the 1994 trial & they hung out together a lot-he is telling the truth on this one.

I remember there was publicity when he got his ass kicked for stealing the drugs he was transporting.

Nancy was working in Florida in 1985, no idea how she would even have managed to do this.

I am sure Bruce Hart might of, but then so did probably 90% of the wrestlers back then. Ring rats were throwing themselves at the guys & they weren't checking their ID'S.

Piper was a horribly out of shape guy with a history of hypertension/high blood pressure-it was always a case of when it was going to get him. Piper had actually beaten cancer, his cause of death was a heart attack bought on by a blood clot. Haynes was using Piper & Austin's ex wife who Austin domestically abused to try to get publicity-the idea of 60 plus Haynes against 50 plus Austin in a shoot fight boggles the mind.

Yeah, I thought that was weird. I'm not sure what shape Haynes is in these days, but needless to say, there aren't too many senior citizens getting in the ring.

Brady Boone was very talented and ahead of his time. He could have been a bigger star than he was, but this was during the time Vince was pushing big men and guys that were roided to the gills, so it never happened.

I've done work in the wrestling biz over the years and I know for a fact that Haynes has always been a loon.

With that said (and all the seriously crazy nonsense Haynes has said) there is a distinct possibility that he may not be lying this time around.

WWF (now WWE) had a horrible road and touring schedule through the 1980s - as did many of the smaller territories around the country - and it is entirely plausible that Haynes did take on side gigs for money and drugs in addition to his WWF pay.

I can also believe that the touring schedule brought him into contact with legit drug traffickers and could have put him in Arkansas during the time period of the murders. I wouldn't be so quick to disregard what he's saying here.

I've done work in the wrestling biz over the years and I know for a fact that Haynes has always been a loon.

With that said (and all the seriously crazy nonsense Haynes has said) there is a distinct possibility that he may not be lying this time around.

WWF (now WWE) had a horrible road and touring schedule through the 1980s - as did many of the smaller territories around the country - and it is entirely plausible that Haynes did take on side gigs for money and drugs in addition to his WWF pay.

I can also believe that the touring schedule brought him into contact with legit drug traffickers and could have put him in Arkansas during the time period of the murders. I wouldn't be so quick to disregard what he's saying here.

I might be more inclined to believe him if

A. I hadn't seen the Benoit Conspiracy DVD.

B. He hadn't confessed to also being involved in the Michael Francke murder a decade or more back.

C. There wasn't begging for money-I am not sure if he is in cahoots with the guy running that page, or if he has access to the money, but you have to be hugely suspicious-old school wrestlers are mostly carnies who will do pretty much anything to fleece money from the marks & he is in on the bs brain trauma lawsuit against WWE. He was arrested for fraud 20 years back. I just don't see why somebody who was in a good spot making several hundred thousand a year would risk it all, nor why the drug dealers would need him when there were people close to home that could have provided the same service for less money.

I really can't put into context the extent of Billy Jack's anger. Let's just say I think any judge in the country would grant Vince a Personal Protection Order against him. I'm shocked Haynes hasn't murdered someone by this point. I remember shutting off his interview after only a few minutes because I was turned off at just how angry he was. (And I've sat through some pretty disturbing things on television, well, UM at times comes to mind).

Linda Ives says they are working to corroborate his information. Wouldn't be shocked if that day never comes.

I really can't put into context the extent of Billy Jack's anger. Let's just say I think any judge in the country would grant Vince a Personal Protection Order against him. I'm shocked Haynes hasn't murdered someone by this point. I remember shutting off his interview after only a few minutes because I was turned off at just how angry he was. (And I've sat through some pretty disturbing things on television, well, UM at times comes to mind).

Linda Ives says they are working to corroborate his information. Wouldn't be shocked if that day never comes.

Like Cornette he is a big bag of wind looking to get themselves over-they run their mouths saying how they are going to beat such & such up & do nothing-Cornette was making threats to Russo from late 1999 onward, yet he sat in a room with him for a year or more in TNA & did nothing. Haynes is just looking for attention & money making opportunities, not to say he isn't crazy-he plainly is & had that rep in the business going back to the 1980's, but he is a physically wasted shell of a man now.

I just forced myself to sit through the Billy Jack Haynes shoot interview, which was painful to watch and over two and a half hours long (!). Among some of his other diatribes, he claims Vince also murdered the following people:

Dino Bravo (murdered by the mafia for selling cigarettes)
Kerry Von Erich (committed suicide, probably for multiple reasons -- to avoid extensive jail time, dissolution of his marriage and a history of suicide in his family).
Big Boss Man (heart attack)
Bryan Pillman (undetected heart disease, history of heart disease in his family)
Owen Hart (fell to his death in freak accident)
British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith (no official cause of death was ever determined. Haynes claims Davey came to him while he was still alive and said "Vince murdered me.")
Crash Holly (died by choking on his own vomit)
Eddie Guerrero (heart failure/disease)

As well as a whole host of others. Basically claims Vince murdered upwards of 80 people.

Haynes also fully admits to being a sociopath, stated he gave serious consideration to shooting his own father and once beat a guy to a bloody pulp and was subsequently arrested for assault and battery (the motive was that the victim claimed Haynes was a homosexual).

Also claims the 1994 steroid trial was rigged, believes Vince has suspicious motives for changing the name of the company from WWF to WWE (Vince was forced to after another company using the WWF name sued him -- The World Wildlife Fund), among other assorted nonsense.

Interesting article
http://katv.com/news/local/more-from-the-boys-on-the-tracks-witness

Wait, what? ? He says he VIDEOTAPED the train hitting the boys, but isn't sure he still has the tape? Wouldn't that be important to preserve? Why didn't he come forward with this earlier, even if it had to be anonymously? And wasn't one of the kids still alive (but unconscious) when the train hit? So Haynes videotaped it but didn't try to save him?

God that's messed up.

If he has that videotape (if it exists at all), I sure hope he finds it. If nothing else, it can clear up the mystery of whether or not the tarp was there.

I just forced myself to sit through the Billy Jack Haynes shoot interview, which was painful to watch and over two and a half hours long (!). Among some of his other diatribes, he claims Vince also murdered the following people:

Dino Bravo (murdered by the mafia for selling cigarettes)
Kerry Von Erich (committed suicide, probably for multiple reasons -- to avoid extensive jail time, dissolution of his marriage and a history of suicide in his family).
Big Boss Man (heart attack)
Bryan Pillman (undetected heart disease, history of heart disease in his family)
Owen Hart (fell to his death in freak accident)
British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith (no official cause of death was ever determined. Haynes claims Davey came to him while he was still alive and said "Vince murdered me.")
Crash Holly (died by choking on his own vomit)
Eddie Guerrero (heart failure/disease)

As well as a whole host of others. Basically claims Vince murdered upwards of 80 people.

Haynes also fully admits to being a sociopath, stated he gave serious consideration to shooting his own father and once beat a guy to a bloody pulp and was subsequently arrested for assault and battery (the motive was that the victim claimed Haynes was a homosexual).

Also claims the 1994 steroid trial was rigged, believes Vince has suspicious motives for changing the name of the company from WWF to WWE (Vince was forced to after another company using the WWF name sued him -- The World Wildlife Fund), among other assorted nonsense.

Interesting article
http://katv.com/news/local/more-from-the-boys-on-the-tracks-witness

Wait, what? ? He says he VIDEOTAPED the train hitting the boys, but isn't sure he still has the tape? Wouldn't that be important to preserve? Why didn't he come forward with this earlier, even if it had to be anonymously? And wasn't one of the kids still alive (but unconscious) when the train hit? So Haynes videotaped it but didn't try to save him?

God that's messed up.

If he has that videotape (if it exists at all), I sure hope he finds it. If nothing else, it can clear up the mystery of whether or not the tarp was there.


Ah an elusive video tape like Bigfoot, Aliens, Ghosts etc, they recorded it but it goes mysteriously missing. Why would he videotape it? Not being funny but why would drug dealers & their muscle be carrying around video equipment which would be an unnecessary hindrance & would implicate them if arrested? Also video equipment back then was not generally used by the public due to the cost & the quality wasn't that great.

Think Billy took too many Hercules chain shots & Sheik suplexes to the head.

https://i.imgur.com/7xyRa2E.gif

Ah an elusive video tape like Bigfoot, Aliens, Ghosts etc, they recorded it but it goes mysteriously missing. Why would he videotape it? Not being funny but why would drug dealers & their muscle be carrying around video equipment which would be an unnecessary hindrance & would implicate them if arrested? Also video equipment back then was not generally used by the public due to the cost & the quality wasn't that great.

Think Billy took too many Hercules chain shots & Sheik suplexes to the head.

Right. Also, it was 4 a.m. when the boys were run over, so presumably it was pitch black outside.

Interestingly, Haynes says he was a "millionaire" at one point, but was on food stamps at the time of the interview (2009).

I should also point out that Haynes says he HATED traveling and would get back to Oregon whenever he had the chance because his father was blind and crippled and had no other family, making it all the more unlikely he would just travel to Arkansas for something not related to the WWE. Also says in October of 1987, he nearly overdosed on drugs. That was two months after the murders, so who knows what state his mind was in at that point.

As a sidebar, he says the original plan was for him and Hercules to go out just before Hogan/Andre and there was to be no bleeding, but Vince changed it at the last minute to have them go out second (they wanted to have a popcorn match as the second-to-last) and for Haynes to bleed. Billy Jack says he couldn't get the blade out of his wrist tape soon enough, so he just told Herc to "Hit me full force with the chain", which he did several times. They were actually good friends in real life.

I had high hopes when I first heard about a new story coming out. Then this is what we get? Absolute farce. The fact that a "legitimate" news station came out with this is a laughing stock. No wonder most educated people don't trust the media anymore.

Right. Also, it was 4 a.m. when the boys were run over, so presumably it was pitch black outside.

Interestingly, Haynes says he was a "millionaire" at one point, but was on food stamps at the time of the interview (2009).

I should also point out that Haynes says he HATED traveling and would get back to Oregon whenever he had the chance because his father was blind and crippled and had no other family, making it all the more unlikely he would just travel to Arkansas for something not related to the WWE. Also says in October of 1987, he nearly overdosed on drugs. That was two months after the murders, so who knows what state his mind was in at that point.

As a sidebar, he says the original plan was for him and Hercules to go out just before Hogan/Andre and there was to be no bleeding, but Vince changed it at the last minute to have them go out second (they wanted to have a popcorn match as the second-to-last) and for Haynes to bleed. Billy Jack says he couldn't get the blade out of his wrist tape soon enough, so he just told Herc to "Hit me full force with the chain", which he did several times. They were actually good friends in real life.

Exactly, unless they were drug dealers wearing headlamps when they were trying not to be noticed-this story is ridiculous & gets even more so every time he opens his mouth.

A millionaire? What a laugh-he spent most of his career working for Don Owen in Portland who had a great rep for paying the guys fairly/above fair-but it wasn't huge money by any means. He worked for Eddie & Mike Graham in Florida who had reps as being lousy pay off guys. WWF he would have been making good money-but he was probably on about 250-300k a year & he was only there for 2 years & had to pay expenses. WCW he probably made very little as Black Blood & was gone quick. There is no way he was anywhere near a millionaire-even if he was the best guy at saving money in wrestling he wouldn't have been & he was spending a lot of his money on drugs-both recreational & physique enhancing, along with all the expenses incurred on the road.

It certainly was a weird interview, with Haynes alternating between positively SHOUTING at the camera and speaking in a normal voice. "BOMBSHELL TONIGHT" was his favorite quote, which he used many times, and seemed to be channeling Nancy Grace. The "bombshell" in question was his completely unfounded and speculative claim about Vince and the Benoits.

Sensational Sherri, Test, Mr. Perfect, Rick Rude? Yep, Vince killed 'em all.

Kerry Von Erich (committed suicide, probably for multiple reasons -- to avoid extensive jail time, dissolution of his marriage and a history of suicide in his family).
British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith (no official cause of death was ever determined. Haynes claims Davey came to him while he was still alive and said "Vince murdered me.")

Gotta talk about these 2 to give people some more info on Billy Jerk Haynes.

There is a promoter you can blame for Kerry's death, but it ain't Vince, it's Kerry's own father. Seriously, if you don't know about Fritz Von Erich, what he did to his sons, is all kinds of wrong. Thankfully, Kevin Von Erich is still with us, and it was great to see the Freebirds give part of their Hall of Fame induction time to him so he could speak.

The Bulldog, got massively addicted to pain pills in 1998. This was while he was in WCW, the injury that caused it was WCW's fault. They had installed a trap door in the ring at Fall Brawl 1998, so there could be a fake Warrior appearance and disappearance. The problem was, nobody was told where the door was, so wrestlers thought the ring was the same one they wrestled on every night. Bulldog got slammed right on the handle of the trap door, and it fudged up his back.

Gotta talk about these 2 to give people some more info on Billy Jerk Haynes.

There is a promoter you can blame for Kerry's death, but it ain't Vince, it's Kerry's own father. Seriously, if you don't know about Fritz Von Erich, what he did to his sons, is all kinds of wrong. Thankfully, Kevin Von Erich is still with us, and it was great to see the Freebirds give part of their Hall of Fame induction time to him so he could speak.

The Bulldog, got massively addicted to pain pills in 1998. This was while he was in WCW, the injury that caused it was WCW's fault. They had installed a trap door in the ring at Fall Brawl 1998, so there could be a fake Warrior appearance and disappearance. The problem was, nobody was told where the door was, so wrestlers thought the ring was the same one they wrestled on every night. Bulldog got slammed right on the handle of the trap door, and it fudged up his back.


Fritz is probably the worst person in wrestling history, if not he is right up there. It's hilarious as Bulldogs drug problems went back so far.

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Like Cornette he is a big bag of wind looking to get themselves over-they run their mouths saying how they are going to beat such & such up & do nothing-Cornette was making threats to Russo from late 1999 onward, yet he sat in a room with him for a year or more in TNA & did nothing. Haynes is just looking for attention & money making opportunities, not to say he isn't crazy-he plainly is & had that rep in the business going back to the 1980's, but he is a physically wasted shell of a man now.


Yep. Once a carny always a carny.

Fritz is probably the worst person in wrestling history

If he is, then Dusty Rhodes and Ole Anderson fill out the top 3.

If he is, then Dusty Rhodes and Ole Anderson fill out the top 3.

Dusty was obnoxious & an egomaniac, but not really a scumbag. Ole was miserable & pretty racist, but for me the worst are guys like Billy Wolfe, Vince Jr, Snuka, Watts, Eddie Graham, Johnny Valentine, Dynamite Kid.

Nancy Benoit allegedly performed oral once on Vince in 1985, and that caused her to be pregnant with his child in the year 2000. Vince is responsible for the deaths of the entire Benoit family as a result.


Sorry, but that is funny.

I got a friend who is a huge wrestling fanatic and he was telling me many of the same stories when I asked him about BJH. He'd never heard of the Ives/Henry case, but I gave him the date and he looked into it. He said BJH was in the Northeast 3 days before that date and in Cali a few days after the date.

He also said that around that time BJH was being "pushed" by Vince and shortly after that date, BJH became a jobber. He said BJH has said for many years he was a drug enforcer, so he didn't just invent that story now.

However, he is highly skeptical for the same reasons you are. BJH has said crazy stuff for years. He is still challenging Steve Austin to matches even though BJH is old and frail and can barely walk.

Haynes is now claiming that he might be in possession of videotape of the actual moment when Stephen Shroyer's train ran the boys over. Apparently Haynes claims to have videotaped the entire incident himself. In the words of the late Gorilla Monsoon, all of this is "highly unlikely".

That being said I guess the introduction of videotape sort of makes this a put up/shut up type scenario. Either he has videotaped proof of his involvement in these murders or he doesn't. The evidence brought up regarding BJH's wrestling schedule in this thread is telling and I have to agree with the consensus who feel that it would be highly irregular given the WWF's schedule in the 1980s for BJH to somehow be on sight for the "Boys On The Tracks" murders.

That said, probably the most credible piece of evidence that could tie BJH to this case may be BJH himself. I could easily see him getting tangled up in this whole mess back in 1987 and also be hard up enough where he would be willing to get involved as well. Professional wrestling pays well but not well enough to sustain a high lifestyle, the proof of which can be found in how many professional wrestling heroes from the eighties are flat out broke today.

Above and beyond everything else though if BJH truly can help Linda and Larry Ives then by all means I hope he is able to give them the credible information needed to see this case to a close. Linda and Larry deserve all the credit in the world for seeing this case out for as long as they have.

http://katv.com/news/local/more-from-the-boys-on-the-tracks-witness

Sorry, but that is funny.

He also said that around that time BJH was being "pushed" by Vince and shortly after that date, BJH became a jobber. He said BJH has said for many years he was a drug enforcer, so he didn't just invent that story now.

He wasn't being pushed massively & after that date he was still in a similar spot-teaming up with another lunatic jailbird Ken Patera who were picking up wins & feuding with Demolition on a lengthy house show run. He certainly wasn't a jobber-just he was more a mid-card to upper mid-card guy. His only real push was before the Hercules match at WM 3. Other than being flaky-look at the amount of no shows he did in 1987/1988 he was very limited-his interviews were bad, he wasn't really charismatic & his work was average. Really he got by purely on his body/look.

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I got a friend who is a huge wrestling fanatic and he was telling me many of the same stories when I asked him about BJH. He'd never heard of the Ives/Henry case, but I gave him the date and he looked into it. He said BJH was in the Northeast 3 days before that date and in Cali a few days after the date.

I remember mentioning earlier in the thread that Haynes wrestled on the night of the 21st in Detroit and on the night of the 25th in California. Henry and Ives were killed on the 23rd.

Haynes says he made 8-10 thousand a week during his time with the WWE, and that was in 1980's dollars. Very good money. He says he planned to retire at 35.

I recall stating earlier that Haynes claims to be in possession of the videotape of the train running over the boys. Regardless of whether he does or not, this claim isn't going to help him any. One of the boys was still alive at that point, so if he videotaped it, but didn't, you know, pull the boys off the tracks, he is going to come off as an ass for not helping. He's really dug himself into a hole here. I'm not sure he knew one of the boys was still alive before the train arrived.

Article that says Haynes worked at least 26 days a month on average and at one point, worked 97 days in a row. Unclear how he'd find time to have a side job.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/10/ex-portland_wrestler_billy_jac.html

Btw, his lawsuit, as you might imagine, was dismissed.

Oh Lord, check out THIS. Haynes claims to have personally laid Henry and Ives on the tracks. He also said that the arrangement for him being there in the first place was to catch whoever was stealing the drug money and kill them. He basically says he had a duty to serve "the criminal politician" and his loyalty didn't lie with two beaten kids.

http://www.arkansasmatters.com/news/local-news/ex-wrestler-claims-he-taped-train-running-over-boys-on-the-tracks/979068443

I don't even know what to make of all of that. Haynes is crazy, a pathological liar and an ass.

Haynes says he made 8-10 thousand a week during his time with the WWE, and that was in 1980's dollars. Very good money. He says he planned to retire at 35.

I recall stating earlier that Haynes claims to be in possession of the videotape of the train running over the boys. Regardless of whether he does or not, this claim isn't going to help him any. One of the boys was still alive at that point, so if he videotaped it, but didn't, you know, pull the boys off the tracks, he is going to come off as an ass for not helping. He's really dug himself into a hole here. I'm not sure he knew one of the boys was still alive before the train arrived.

Article that says Haynes worked at least 26 days a month on average and at one point, worked 97 days in a row. Unclear how he'd find time to have a side job.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/10/ex-portland_wrestler_billy_jac.html

Btw, his lawsuit, as you might imagine, was dismissed.

8-10 grand a week for somebody in his spot on the card in that era sounds totally untrue-that would be in the vicinity of 500k a year & one assumes that doesn't figure in merchandise sales. I think between 200-300k is a far more likely figure. Putting that into some context fast forward to 1991 & Bret Hart who became I-C champ that year earned 250k, by 1994 when he was headlining & been world champ twice he was on 400k a year-so why would Haynes be earning so much more as a mid-carder?

Haynes if telling the truth will be confessing to a murder & as there is no statute of limitations for that offence I believe.

Sadly for Haynes that 97 days straight claim is disproved at History Of WWE-from the summer of 1986 to early 1988 when he left he had a tough schedule yes, but there were days off-often he went a week or more without any shows. Also he no-showed a lot of dates in 1987/1988.

Oh Lord, check out THIS. Haynes claims to have personally laid Henry and Ives on the tracks. He also said that the arrangement for him being there in the first place was to catch whoever was stealing the drug money and kill them. He basically says he had a duty to serve "the criminal politician" and his loyalty didn't lie with two beaten kids.

http://www.arkansasmatters.com/news/local-news/ex-wrestler-claims-he-taped-train-running-over-boys-on-the-tracks/979068443

I don't even know what to make of all of that. Haynes is crazy, a pathological liar and an ass.

So let's think about that for a second-Haynes who claims to be earning half a million dollars a year legally-although in reality it is likely 300k year or thereabouts but still good money for that era, is accepting a gig in Arkansas where he goes there knowing he is going to commit murder for which he could spend life in prison or even the death penalty if apprehended &how much was he being paid to do this? Hired muscle generally don't get paid much-so he is putting his career & life on the line for 50-100k most likely, yeah sure. He may be crazy but he isn't that stupid.

I really detest this guy for what he is doing to this family-imagine telling them you saw their kids being murdered & guess what I took part in it, all so he can get his hands on some donations & get his name back in the news. Yes, the parents should have worked out he is a mentally unbalanced con artist, just parroting off details available to everybody via 5-10 minutes of researching the case online, but they are desperate people. This isn't a damn wrestling angle, or working the marks-this is real life with people suffering.

8-10 grand a week for somebody in his spot on the card in that era sounds totally untrue-that would be in the vicinity of 500k a year & one assumes that doesn't figure in merchandise sales. I think between 200-300k is a far more likely figure. Putting that into some context fast forward to 1991 & Bret Hart who became I-C champ that year earned 250k, by 1994 when he was headlining & been world champ twice he was on 400k a year-so why would Haynes be earning so much more as a mid-carder?

I thought that number was a little high, but it was coming from Haynes himself, so you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Haynes if telling the truth will be confessing to a murder & as there is no statute of limitations for that offence I believe.

That is correct.

Also he no-showed a lot of dates in 1987/1988.

Interesting.

So let's think about that for a second-Haynes who claims to be earning half a million dollars a year legally-although in reality it is likely 300k year or thereabouts but still good money for that era, is accepting a gig in Arkansas where he goes there knowing he is going to commit murder for which he could spend life in prison or even the death penalty if apprehended &how much was he being paid to do this? Hired muscle generally don't get paid much-so he is putting his career & life on the line for 50-100k most likely, yeah sure. He may be crazy but he isn't that stupid.

I agree, it sounds ridiculous.

I really detest this guy for what he is doing to this family-imagine telling them you saw their kids being murdered & guess what I took part in it, all so he can get his hands on some donations & get his name back in the news. Yes, the parents should have worked out he is a mentally unbalanced con artist, just parroting off details available to everybody via 5-10 minutes of researching the case online, but they are desperate people. This isn't a damn wrestling angle, or working the marks-this is real life with people suffering.

I can certainly understand Kevin's parents wanting to have the case solved and see justice, but I do worry Linda is getting her hopes up too high without the proper vetting. I have no idea if Haynes really believes what he is saying or is purposefully lying for some ulterior motive. It's well known that Bill Clinton, a former President, was the governor of Arkansas at the time of the Henry/Ives murders. I don't think politics has anything to do with it as Haynes was decidedly left-leaning in his shoot interview, although maybe he has some personal dislike of the Clintons and is trying to bring them down. Who knows what goes on in that brain.

Anyone know if Don Henry's father is still alive?

It appears Curtis Henry is still alive. Linda Ives said this on the Reddit AMA last year.

"I am not in touch with Don's family and have not been in many years, so I have no idea what, if anything they have done. Curtis Henry, Don's dad, is a friend of Dan Harmon, (who numerous witnesses name as one of the killers). He testified as a character witness at harmon's criminal trial where he was convicted years later of running a criminal enterprise out of the prosecutor's office. He also testified for kirk Lane and Jay campbell in a civil trial, both of whom have been names as suspects."

Uh. So Don's dad is friends with the guy that killed his son? He always struck me as a birdbrain. I remember in the segment he said "I didn't know you could get in trouble just for hunting." Uh, yeah, there's lots of ways you can.

Linda Ives also says this, in response to a question about whether there was anything about the case not publicly known:

"A large number of homosexuals are connected in various ways to the case. There was semen in Don's underwear."

I don't know what to make of that.

It appears Curtis Henry is still alive. Linda Ives said this on the Reddit AMA last year.

"I am not in touch with Don's family and have not been in many years, so I have no idea what, if anything they have done. Curtis Henry, Don's dad, is a friend of Dan Harmon, (who numerous witnesses name as one of the killers). He testified as a character witness at harmon's criminal trial where he was convicted years later of running a criminal enterprise out of the prosecutor's office. He also testified for kirk Lane and Jay campbell in a civil trial, both of whom have been names as suspects."

Uh. So Don's dad is friends with the guy that killed his son? He always struck me as a birdbrain. I remember in the segment he said "I didn't know you could get in trouble just for hunting." Uh, yeah, there's lots of ways you can.

Linda Ives also says this, in response to a question about whether there was anything about the case not publicly known:

"A large number of homosexuals are connected in various ways to the case. There was semen in Don's underwear."

I don't know what to make of that.

Well that is interesting if true-I know the original autopsies were botched but was there anything about rectal trauma when they were redone? Don't recall anything & pretty sure that would have been released. Semen in the underwear without that would more indicate something like masturbation-maybe mutual, was it tested & what results came back?

Well that is interesting if true-I know the original autopsies were botched but was there anything about rectal trauma when they were redone? Don't recall anything & pretty sure that would have been released. Semen in the underwear without that would more indicate something like masturbation-maybe mutual, was it tested & what results came back?

No idea. I was shocked when I read that comment she made and am still trying to process it.

I also read in one of the articles I posted that both of the boys were handcuffed and beaten. Man, that is frightening. I'm sure those poor boys were terrified. :(

Haynes is now claiming that he might be in possession of videotape of the actual moment when Stephen Shroyer's train ran the boys over. Apparently Haynes claims to have videotaped the entire incident himself. In the words of the late Gorilla Monsoon, all of this is "highly unlikely".

That being said I guess the introduction of videotape sort of makes this a put up/shut up type scenario. Either he has videotaped proof of his involvement in these murders or he doesn't. The evidence brought up regarding BJH's wrestling schedule in this thread is telling and I have to agree with the consensus who feel that it would be highly irregular given the WWF's schedule in the 1980s for BJH to somehow be on sight for the "Boys On The Tracks" murders.

That said, probably the most credible piece of evidence that could tie BJH to this case may be BJH himself. I could easily see him getting tangled up in this whole mess back in 1987 and also be hard up enough where he would be willing to get involved as well. Professional wrestling pays well but not well enough to sustain a high lifestyle, the proof of which can be found in how many professional wrestling heroes from the eighties are flat out broke today.

Above and beyond everything else though if BJH truly can help Linda and Larry Ives then by all means I hope he is able to give them the credible information needed to see this case to a close. Linda and Larry deserve all the credit in the world for seeing this case out for as long as they have.

http://katv.com/news/local/more-from-the-boys-on-the-tracks-witness


Jesus. This guy is definitely off his rocker (probably has a good case of CTE after taking so many hard hits)

It appears Curtis Henry is still alive. Linda Ives said this on the Reddit AMA last year.

"I am not in touch with Don's family and have not been in many years, so I have no idea what, if anything they have done. Curtis Henry, Don's dad, is a friend of Dan Harmon, (who numerous witnesses name as one of the killers). He testified as a character witness at harmon's criminal trial where he was convicted years later of running a criminal enterprise out of the prosecutor's office. He also testified for kirk Lane and Jay campbell in a civil trial, both of whom have been names as suspects."

Uh. So Don's dad is friends with the guy that killed his son? He always struck me as a birdbrain. I remember in the segment he said "I didn't know you could get in trouble just for hunting." Uh, yeah, there's lots of ways you can.


Linda Ives and Curtis Henry both took part in a vigil for their boys back in 2015. It ended up getting some news coverage with Curtis Henry appearing briefly asking that the case be re-opened (so take what you will from that):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgrIarz7Cr0

Well that is interesting if true-I know the original autopsies were botched but was there anything about rectal trauma when they were redone? Don't recall anything & pretty sure that would have been released. Semen in the underwear without that would more indicate something like masturbation-maybe mutual, was it tested & what results came back?

I...I don't think there's anything to this. If you're a man, urine and semen traces appear in underwear.

I...I don't think there's anything to this. If you're a man, urine and semen traces appear in underwear.

I think she was implying it was someone else's other than Don's, especially since it came right after the "large number of homosexuals are connected to this case" comment. Obviously, I don't know for sure, but that's what I took it to mean.

If that's her theory, then it's a crackpot theory on every level. The poor woman.

If that's her theory, then it's a crackpot theory on every level. The poor woman.

Sadly, although understandably considering the corruption & incompetence of the cops & coroner there back then she seems to have fallen into the Noreen Gosch world of grand conspiracy theories-the Clintons are to blame etc.

I am wondering if the semen statement does hold any truth whether the lads were not experimenting, maybe there was some cottaging going on in the woods & they fell foul of the wrong people, or gay bashers.

Sadly, although understandably considering the corruption & incompetence of the cops & coroner there back then she seems to have fallen into the Noreen Gosch world of grand conspiracy theories-the Clintons are to blame etc.

Linda Ives on the Reddit AMA: "Clinton supporters are deaf, blind, and in most cases, just plain dumb." And it's like, Oh Linda, you had me in your corner up until that point. The Clintons aren't perfect people, but then again, who is?

While there does seem to be a lot of people that are potentially responsible, I feel the majority of the blame probably goes to Don Harmon, a democratic politican who has committed various crimes and was imprisoned on multiple occasions. While practically everyone out there that night was up to no good, I believe it was his decision that Kevin and Don be murdered.

I am wondering if the semen statement does hold any truth whether the lads were not experimenting, maybe there was some cottaging going on in the woods & they fell foul of the wrong people, or gay bashers.

That possibility crossed my mind.