What are some of the cases that p***ed you off the most? The very first one I can think of for me is the Annie Laurie Hearin case. Also Jasper Watkins.

Yes Annie Laurie Hearin is up there. Some others are Mark Nichols and Chad Noe never being charged with anything, never finding Michael Hughes, Morris Davis killer never being brought to justice, Nyleen Kay Marshall never being found. The list goes on....

It really gets me that Wynn couldn't even have the decency to tell SOMEONE where her body was.

For me, probably Debbie Wolfe. I was confused what the police in NC were even saying - there was no barrel, when there was a barrel confirmed by several witnesses, therefore ????? she threw herself in the lake? Wtf? One of the most incompetent police agencies shown on the entire show.

For me, probably Debbie Wolfe. I was confused what the police in NC were even saying - there was no barrel, when there was a barrel confirmed by several witnesses, therefore ????? she threw herself in the lake? Wtf? One of the most incompetent police agencies shown on the entire show.

Ugh, God yes. "Oh, that was a jacket that was puffed up under water." There is not a person alive who could mistake a jacket for a steel drum.

Blind River rest stop murderer. If they could catch the guy that did that, I would volunteer to throw the switch on that son of a b—ch myself. Absolutely no excuse for killing the two people (with the intention of killing all three). Whoever was behind that case needs to just be killed. No jail time, no rehabilitation, straight to the damn chair.

Blind River rest stop murderer. If they could catch the guy that did that, I would volunteer to throw the switch on that son of a b—ch myself. Absolutely no excuse for killing the two people (with the intention of killing all three). Whoever was behind that case needs to just be killed. No jail time, no rehabilitation, straight to the damn chair.

I felt so bad for Gord McAllister :(

Someone like that doesn't deserve to live.

I think the victim's name was Eileen Mangold, this was down in Florida, the perp was later arrested and put on trial and found NOT guilty despite DNA evidence. No offense to Floridians out there but that's just one in a long line of verdicts in cases in that state that make you go "huh?"

I would say a lot of the cases make me sad more than anything. Sad for the victims, their families and society in general.

One guy that made me ANGRY was Adam Emery. And his stupid wife. And while I'm sure neither of them woke up that day with the intentions of killing anyone, it doesn't make what they did any less reprehensible. Killing (or egging on the killing) of a totally innocent young man is beyond deplorable. I have zero sympathy whatsoever for Elena and am glad she removed herself from the Earth and I just hope Adam did the same.

Watching this case now, Dennis Keith Smith. A lot of things about it make me angry. It makes me angry that he was paroled after serving just ten years for the murder of his own sister. It makes me even more angry that his parents actually forced their grandson Dustin to live with his mother's killer. :mad: It also makes me angry that he was able to kill another innocent woman. Finally, it makes me very angry that he never revealed where he hid her body before he committed suicide.

For me personally I guess there's too many to list. Any crime that includes senseless straight out murder for no apparent reason e.g. The guys on the Trailbikes being fatally shot. Any crimes including little kids is enough to anger most people. Then there's the cases where people are as guilty as hell and still manage to walk free e.g. Chad Noe. Oh and the Fire at the Dog Kennels made me angry as well.

Some of the others that make me angry is when there is an obviously guilty spouse almost flaunting their getting away with it.

The single worst one to me is Judy Groezinger.

The teenage thrill killers, any case featuring violence towards children, and pretty much any killing (Dwayne McCorkendale) that was completely senseless without any clear motive.

Guilty spouses, senseless murders (esp. those involving kids - like Los Cruces NM) and then criminals who are caught, but won't give up the goods so to speak (such as in the case of Annie Laurie Hearin)

Watching this case now, Dennis Keith Smith. A lot of things about it make me angry. It makes me angry that he was paroled after serving just ten years for the murder of his own sister. It makes me even more angry that his parents actually forced their grandson Dustin to live with his mother's killer. :mad:

Amen! I've ranted about this before but those parents making Dustin live with the man who killed his mother is just mind-bogglingly cruel. The psychological damage for a little kid to have to live with that every day is really scary to think about. I always wondered if there was anyone in their inner circle who told them, "This is a horrible idea! You can't do this!"

Tommy Gibson. The fact that his father likely killed him, got off with an incredibly light sentence, never admitted to the crime or disclosed the location of Tommy's body, and now gets to live his life and post videos of himself performing country music on Youtube without fear of ever being charged with the crime again.

Tommy Gibson. The fact that his father likely killed him, got off with an incredibly light sentence, never admitted to the crime or disclosed the location of Tommy's body, and now gets to live his life and post videos of himself performing country music on Youtube without fear of ever being charged with the crime again.

Side-note question: Was it ever confirmed that country singer Larry Gibson and Unsolved Mysteries Larry Gibson were the same man?

I ask only because I figure that's got to be a common name.

Edited: From Tommy to Larry. My bad.

Side-note question: Was it ever confirmed that country singer Tommy Gibson and Unsolved Mysteries Tommy Gibson were the same man?

I ask only because I figure that's got to be a common name.

You mean Larry Gibson? Yes, they're definitely the same man. I remember that someone on the board contacted him several years ago and said Larry was surprisingly open about talking about the case, though he still maintained his innocence. I have seen one of his country music performances on Youtube (though it looks they're no longer there) and even though he looks different, his voice was definitely the same.

Amen! I've ranted about this before but those parents making Dustin live with the man who killed his mother is just mind-bogglingly cruel. The psychological damage for a little kid to have to live with that every day is really scary to think about. I always wondered if there was anyone in their inner circle who told them, "This is a horrible idea! You can't do this!"

It was obvious that during his interview, poor Dustin was still deeply affected by his mother's loss and I'm sure living with her killer made everything worse for him. I hope he's doing better now.

Apparently, (this is even more infuriating IMO), the parents believed that Patricia's death was an accident, which is why they let Dennis come back and live with them. So, by the parents' logic, he "accidentally" raped and strangled his own sister. Also, his apparent motive was a fight over him using her car.

I am not sure if made me angry (well maybe a little) but the Mufas Hauk/Christie/Todd case in Indiana. I believe Todd's family is placing undue blame on Christie for whatever reason. "That woman broke my son's heart - I will ban her from the funeral!"

The one with the British gal with the cold father who was rather cruel to her over being pregnant. He was portrayed as being rather cold and heartless.

The one with the British gal with the cold father who was rather cruel to her over being pregnant. He was portrayed as being rather cold and heartless.

That one made me sad, more than anything :( It's terrible to think that there are parents like that out there.

That one made me sad, more than anything :( It's terrible to think that there are parents like that out there.

Yes it was sad too how her boyfriend dumped her. It was probably a lot more common than we want to realize!

The smugness of Stephen Geri annoys me. Ugh.

I'm so glad that this topic exists because today, for the first time, I watched the segment about Jasper Watkins (Harper's Ferry Remains). I had heard it was horrible but I didn't actually know while I was watching that it was THE infamous HFR segment. When they showed his face, I legitimately cried a little because I was so angry that someone would have such a black empty void where a heart should be. I don't think I've ever been angrier than I was at the end of that one. I'm usually very irked if someone I know in my gut was guilty gets off scot-free, but this went well beyond that. The senselessness and pure evil of it just gets me.

I'm so glad that this topic exists because today, for the first time, I watched the segment about Jasper Watkins (Harper's Ferry Remains). I had heard it was horrible but I didn't actually know while I was watching that it was THE infamous HFR segment. When they showed his face, I legitimately cried a little because I was so angry that someone would have such a black empty void where a heart should be. I don't think I've ever been angrier than I was at the end of that one. I'm usually very irked if someone I know in my gut was guilty gets off scot-free, but this went well beyond that. The senselessness and pure evil of it just gets me.

Yes, that one REALLY got to me. I actually found a long writeup in a book on Google Books (I had searched for Jasper Watkins on google, and it was one of the links) about the case and it made me even madder. Long story short, the woman who murdered him had been his "fiancee," which UM didn't cover. I put it in quotes because she was literally after nothing but his money, but Watkins seemed to really love her. It goes into detail about all the money he spent on her, brand new car, jewelry, etc. She deserves so much worse than what she got, and Watkins deserved SO MUCH better. But I'm just glad they got the b****, and he was identified.

The Laura Lee Burbank case bothers me a lot. That effin creep used the little girl's love of animals/pets to entice her, and then rape and kill her. Her killer, David Fisher, was eventually caught in Canada, and he is suspected of a few different murders during his time on the run.

The slimebucket who killed Rachel Timmerman and likely killed her baby, Shannon.

Plenty of cases make me mad, but this is one that really gets my rage going.

(Especially since said slimebucket is still alive, despite being on death row for decades)

The slimebucket who killed Rachel Timmerman and likely killed her baby, Shannon.

Plenty of cases make me mad, but this is one that really gets my rage going.

(Especially since said slimebucket is still alive, despite being on death row for decades)

I love that he is actively seeking pen pals.

I’d do it, but i have no desire to let that POS know my address.

I love that he is actively seeking pen pals.

I’d do it, but i have no desire to let that POS know my address.

Yep the Rachel Timmerman one gets me angry, too. What a cruel and heartless way to kill her.

Another one that gets me angry in a different way is the lady who, upon going into a porta potty at some fair, leaves her baby OUTSIDE then the baby gets taken. WTF? Lady, your mom was at the same place running a booth OR you could have flagged a security person OR you could have taken the baby inside. I know they are cramped, I have done it myself with a baby in a car seat.

I am not 100% sure her story is legit though.....thoughts?

Andre Jones

Monika Rizzo...but prolly just because I did a podcast on it recently and it's fresh on my mind. So many like that: plenty of circumstantial evidence but no justice for the victims & families :(

The four young men driven off the interstate in North Carolina.

Amelia Earhart

The Baskin's segment used to infuriate me.

The dog kennel murders. If it were up to me, the guilty party would be locked in a kennel and set on fire themselves. No excuse for what they did. Poor dogs didn’t even have a chance to get away.

I can't believe it took me this long to remember Gloria Schulze. God, I hate that woman. I can't believe this scum is probably still walking the earth. She's not a criminal mastermind or anything of that nature, I think she's benefitted from a lot of dumb luck. And her wealthy upbringing.

And to that extent, I know John Walsh hates her too. She used to be all over AMW, including I think, the very last episode.

And the court system practically held open the door for her.

The dog kennel murders. If it were up to me, the guilty party would be locked in a kennel and set on fire themselves. No excuse for what they did. Poor dogs didn’t even have a chance to get away.


As a huge dog lover(& dog mom) I think anyone who hurts innocent animals needs to be put to death

I can't believe it took me this long to remember Gloria Schulze. God, I hate that woman. I can't believe this scum is probably still walking the earth. She's not a criminal mastermind or anything of that nature, I think she's benefitted from a lot of dumb luck. And her wealthy upbringing.

And to that extent, I know John Walsh hates her too. She used to be all over AMW, including I think, the very last episode.

And the court system practically held open the door for her.

That judge who just let her get away is by far one of the worse things I’ve ever seen on UM. She basically got away with murdee

I also hate the lost love cases from the era where kidnapping and illegal adoption ran rampant, and families were torn apart as a result.

The four young men driven off the interstate in North Carolina.

I was just thinking about this one the other day, actually. With that creepy-ass artist's rendering.

What are some of the cases that p***ed you off the most? The very first one I can think of for me is the Annie Laurie Hearin case. Also Jasper Watkins.

Michaela Garecht. Anything involving stranger abduction of children or harm to children is hard for me to stomach.

The Kristin Smart segment used to have no real effect on me other than, "that's a shame."

But over the years, reading more and more about the circumstances and that sorry excuse of a human being Paul Flores, I don't how anyone couldn't be extremely angry.

He's been groping, confronting and raping girls since he was in high school. He's never faced ANY jail time. And it was obvious since day one he killed Kristin after raping her and got help from his parents burying her body.

To my knowledge, the only kind of punishment from law enforcement he has ever had is one DUI. He still walks the streets today a free man. It's disgusting. :mad:

For some reason the aphrodisiac segment just enrages me. I am unable to comprehend how UM would waste the production time to produce a segment about something so preposterous without suggesting chloroform.

The Kristin Smart segment used to have no real effect on me other than, "that's a shame."

But over the years, reading more and more about the circumstances and that sorry excuse of a human being Paul Flores, I don't how anyone couldn't be extremely angry.

He's been groping, confronting and raping girls since he was in high school. He's never faced ANY jail time. And it was obvious since day one he killed Kristin after raping her and got help from his parents burying her body.

To my knowledge, the only kind of punishment from law enforcement he has ever had is one DUI. He still walks the streets today a free man. It's disgusting. :mad:

Completely.

Two stand out in particular. The first is Chad Noe and his family. I wanted to reach through the screen and punch all three of them in the face. They are about as guilty as I have ever seen and they were practically bragging about it. How were they not convicted of First Degree Murder?

The second is the Blind River killer. I can't tell you how sad it was seeing Gord McAllister and how he was almost as dead as his wife Jackie. He seemed like a guy that was pure class and someone we could only wish could be our grandfather. The fact that this has never been solved infuriates me.

I also second Gloria $chulze. I am certain Ms. Maher was a sweet, kind, caring individual who was destined for great things. I wouldn't mind giving her killer a second broken jaw!

Probably Richard Bocklage, and that despite being such a failure that he needed to murder his girlfriend he's managed decades on the run.

Nelson Decloud-This delusional psycho (doesn't even deserve to be classified as human) is one of the many reasons I take great pride in declaring myself atheist/agnostic. Religious zealots typically indulge in one quality which I have nothing but disdain for: hypocrisy. It makes me angry to know that there are people out there like him with the contemptful ability to manipulate people into doing their bidding.

The Kristin Smart segment used to have no real effect on me other than, "that's a shame."

But over the years, reading more and more about the circumstances and that sorry excuse of a human being Paul Flores, I don't how anyone couldn't be extremely angry.

He's been groping, confronting and raping girls since he was in high school. He's never faced ANY jail time. And it was obvious since day one he killed Kristin after raping her and got help from his parents burying her body.

To my knowledge, the only kind of punishment from law enforcement he has ever had is one DUI. He still walks the streets today a free man. It's disgusting. :mad:

Absolutely. If I'm allowed a second and more serious response it would strangle Paul Flores, the charming Noes, and wrongly acquitted Donny Hansen.

and wrongly acquitted Donny Hansen.
Can somebody explain to me how ANYONE could consider Donny Hansen anything less than 100% responsible for his sister's deaths? Even his own mother knows he is guilty and his stepfather even went on camera saying that he is dead to him! This is one of the only cases where I would bet my life that Donny was directly responsible for their deaths..... and he got acquitted?!? :mad:

I can only guess that it is a case where a jury couldn't possibly believe someone could actually murder their own siblings. Perhaps nobody can be so stupid as to buy the murder weapons two days before the fire? This one puzzles me. Trying to steal the shotgun is just the icing on the cake. As someone who would never be able to serve on a jury because I couldn't bare the thought of an innocent suffering I can confidently say he is guilty, guilty, guilty.

What a world we live in where David Dowaliby is convicted with almost laughable evidence while Donny Hansen practically had "murderer" tattooed on his forehead and gets off.

Can somebody explain to me how ANYONE could consider Donny Hansen anything less than 100% responsible for his sister's deaths? Even his own mother knows he is guilty and his stepfather even went on camera saying that he is dead to him! This is one of the only cases where I would bet my life that Donny was directly responsible for their deaths..... and he got acquitted?!? :mad:

I can only guess that it is a case where a jury couldn't possibly believe someone could actually murder their own siblings. Perhaps nobody can be so stupid as to buy the murder weapons two days before the fire? This one puzzles me. Trying to steal the shotgun is just the icing on the cake. As someone who would never be able to serve on a jury because I couldn't bare the thought of an innocent suffering I can confidently say he is guilty, guilty, guilty.

What a world we live in where David Dowaliby is convicted with almost laughable evidence while Donny Hansen practically had "murderer" tattooed on his forehead and gets off.

At the end of the day, I think Donnie probably did have a role, but the likelihood of their being accomplices is what makes me pause and question what Donnie's role was and how big it was. Addiitonally, I get the feeling that whatever the perp(s) intentions were, things didn't go according to plan, and I wonder what the original plan was.

Gregory Webb and Charles Mule and their laughable sentences. I'm hard pressed to say that it's anything other than "because they were cops" that they got so little time in prison, given their crimes. You see other people profiled on UM for crimes such as theirs get a s***load more time than "7-9 years" as they ended up serving. Manslaughter for Webb? After shooting a defenseless woman three times and cutting her throat? Yeah, ok. Serve nine years of it? Sure, why not? Fourteen years for raping and/or molesting six girls, for Mule? Only serving half of it? Yeah, that gives me all kinds of warm and fuzzy feelings.

Yep the Rachel Timmerman one gets me angry, too. What a cruel and heartless way to kill her.

Another one that gets me angry in a different way is the lady who, upon going into a porta potty at some fair, leaves her baby OUTSIDE then the baby gets taken. WTF? Lady, your mom was at the same place running a booth OR you could have flagged a security person OR you could have taken the baby inside. I know they are cramped, I have done it myself with a baby in a car seat.

I am not 100% sure her story is legit though.....thoughts?
I've never doubted her story is legit. It's just an example of doing something incredibly stupid with your child. I'm sure the regret she feels is almost unbearable, but it was just not a smart thing to do. Although, I think she was maybe only 19 at the time. No excuse but still...

For me the Blind River rest stop murders ranks up there. What a viscous crime that was. I felt so sorry for Gordon, seeing the sadness in his eyes talking about the horror of having his wife murdered right infront of him. What an evil piece of scum that guy is.

The Las Cruces, NM bowling alley murders. What a senseless, evil act. Okay, so you rob the place, but there's absolutely no need to kill innocent adults and children. How terrible. What makes it even sadder is that it's gone unsolved after all these years.

Donny Hansen. What makes me angry is not so much that he killed (or tried to kill) his family for money (which is unspeakably terrible in and of itself) but that he was acquitted when the evidence could not have been more overwhelming or compelling toward his guilt. It's bad enough what he did but the fact that he got away with it makes it even worse. The injustice of it all is what makes me so angry about it. I can hardly think of a case where the evidence was more lopsided or open-and-shut other than those where the perpetrator was apprehended during the commission of the crime. I know juries do strange things sometimes but this one boggles the mind.

I was upset that Eileen Mangold's killer, Franklin Smith, was acquitted and is free to this day. Don't get me started on Marvin Gabrion.

Micheal Cline; he murdered his pregnant girlfriend, received help from his family and was probably able to establish a new life. Richard Bare's family allegedly helped him avoid capture as well.

It angers me that Richard Minns is living in the open, he receives accolades for his art and he's never been held accountable for what he did to Barbara Piotrowski.

Oh, I forgot about a segment that takes the cake for me.

The woman gave birth outdoors, and the man with her took the baby and immediately smashed it to death with a rock, threw dead baby in a trash bin and drove away. Years later the woman was caught and convicted and she refused to give up the man's name so he is free.

If I saw these two on the street, I would run them down with my mustang and then get out and finish them off with my trusty tire iron.

Edit: The trash's name is Penny Anita Lowry. Her picture is online and she is one rough, crack-wh0re looking b1tch. I hope she gets her face broken every day in prison.

At the end of the day, I think Donnie probably did have a role, but the likelihood of their being accomplices is what makes me pause and question what Donnie's role was and how big it was. Addiitonally, I get the feeling that whatever the perp(s) intentions were, things didn't go according to plan, and I wonder what the original plan was.
There aren't too many cases where the evidence of guilt was stronger or more compelling than it was against Donny Hansen. Unless he confessed or they had a film of him setting the fire, I don't think he could be more guilty. He is guilty, even if it's just as an accomplice or co-conspirator.

To be more precise with your question, I think the original plan was to burn the house down with everyone in it and Donny escapes. Of course, the back-up plan that he had to start enacting was the shotgun in case they awoke and tried to get out of the house in time. That's my theory.

If I saw these two on the street, I would run them down with my mustang and then get out and finish them off with my trusty tire iron.

Edit: The trash's name is Penny Anita Lowry. Her picture is online and she is one rough, crack-wh0re looking b1tch. I hope she gets her face broken every day in prison.

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I'll post more later but the pedophile from season 3 who was arrested for being a child molester, gets released in a few years and does it again. He would lie to little girls about checking contaminated milk. That guy had me very, very angry.

Someone just brought it up in another thread, but the Kevin and Bean segment NEVER CEASES to just infuriate me.

Marvin Gabrion is a horrible HORRIBLE person. Anyone who hasn't read the book about the case, written by Rachel Timmerman's father, really should.

And I already bashed on Paul Flores, so let's add another Paul to the mix-- Paul Pollis, who just really apparently likes a clean house.

I'll post more later but the pedophile from season 3 who was arrested for being a child molester, gets released in a few years and does it again. He would lie to little girls about checking contaminated milk. That guy had me very, very angry.

Ahh, yes... Mr. Kenneth Robert Stanton. His name is fresh in my mind as I was just watching that case on Amazon.

That guy makes me sick the way he preyed on little girls and used a badge to convince them he was the police. At least he died while in prison.

And I already bashed on Paul Flores, so let's add another Paul to the mix-- Paul Pollis, who just really apparently likes a clean house.

MAN LIKES A CLEAN HOUSE!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(Supposed to be a reference to the "Man's not hot" meme)

Darlie Routier

Paul Stamper. He's a very dangerous criminal and only served 10 years out of a 35 year sentence (He's been free since 2002).

Then all of the times he roughed up and terrorized Teresa, it appears he was correct when he told her he would get away with it every time. It's very similar to what was happening to Nicole Brown Simpson for years on end. I find that infuriating.

Paul Stamper. He's a very dangerous criminal and only served 10 years out of a 35 year sentence (He's been free since 2002).

Then all of the times he roughed up and terrorized Teresa, it appears he was correct when he told her he would get away with it every time. It's very similar to what was happening to Nicole Brown Simpson for years on end. I find that infuriating.
Agree 100%. I was appalled when I found out he'd been free since 2002. He nearly killed a man, another woman's throat was slit because of his orders, and he battered his wife on numerous occasions. It's disgusting that he served so little time.

The ones where families were broken up because the father was absent and the mother was broke--I remember my brother-in-law just SCREAMING at the set over one such!

I feel angry whenever I see a segment where a child was abducted or killed, and the person responsible hasn't been caught yet (Chaim Weiss, Morgan Nick, etc.) There's really no excuse to harm a defenseless child.

The Noe-Prewitt family. Can’t believe they got away with it for so long! They’re like a redneck crime syndicate.

Also I apologize if I am mistaken, but no one has brought up Franklin Delano Floyd?! Even Gandhi would be like, “Curbstomp that mothereffer!” At least they finally managed to identify Sharon/Suzanne, but still. :mad:

There was one case in particular that had me fuming. Bear with me though, because I don't know the name of the case or anyone involved. And certain details are fuzzy.

I believe this lady worked at a church or something. She got physically assaulted (I think hit over the head) and I want to say that money got stolen. She named the guy, and he claims he didn't do it and I think he had an alibi?! And I think years later she said that he actually didn't do it, but he still stayed in jail?!

I might be mis-remembering details. I'm trying to google and find it. I do remember that I was steaming mad over it.

There was one case in particular that had me fuming. Bear with me though, because I don't know the name of the case or anyone involved. And certain details are fuzzy.

I believe this lady worked at a church or something. She got physically assaulted (I think hit over the head) and I want to say that money got stolen. She named the guy, and he claims he didn't do it and I think he had an alibi?! And I think years later she said that he actually didn't do it, but he still stayed in jail?!

I might be mis-remembering details. I'm trying to google and find it. I do remember that I was steaming mad over it.

You have me totally puzzled. I can't remember this one :confused:

There was one case in particular that had me fuming. Bear with me though, because I don't know the name of the case or anyone involved. And certain details are fuzzy.

I believe this lady worked at a church or something. She got physically assaulted (I think hit over the head) and I want to say that money got stolen. She named the guy, and he claims he didn't do it and I think he had an alibi?! And I think years later she said that he actually didn't do it, but he still stayed in jail?!

I might be mis-remembering details. I'm trying to google and find it. I do remember that I was steaming mad over it.

You're thinking of the Final Appeal case of Thomas Drake, who went to prison for attempting to murder his wife Nancy:
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas_Drake

As far as I know, this segment was filmed for UM's Final Appeal spin-off show, but the show was cancelled before it could air. It then surfaced for the first time when a revamped version was shown on the Dennis Farina version.

You're thinking of the Final Appeal case of Thomas Drake, who went to prison for attempting to murder his wife Nancy:
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas_Drake

As far as I know, this segment was filmed for UM's Final Appeal spin-off show, but the show was cancelled before it could air. It then surfaced for the first time when a revamped version was shown on the Dennis Farina version.

Thank you, Robin! I will definitely have to reread that one, as I'm still really fuzzy on the details. I do remember it angering me though!

By the way, (off topic) I have been listening to your podcast while wrapping Christmas presents and I love it!! So far I have listened to L'Efant, Cindy Anderson and am currently listening to Cindy James.

Thanks for making gift wrapping less boring, and more intriguing :lol:

Okay, just reread. It all came back. I think what angered me most was how Nancy Drake basically stopped caring about whether or not he actually did it, and thought he belonged in prison just because he "cheated on her".

I still want to watch the segment again but I remember thinking that he didn't do it.

Thank you, Robin! I will definitely have to reread that one, as I'm still really fuzzy on the details. I do remember it angering me though!

By the way, (off topic) I have been listening to your podcast while wrapping Christmas presents and I love it!! So far I have listened to L'Efant, Cindy Anderson and am currently listening to Cindy James.

Thanks for making gift wrapping less boring, and more intriguing :lol:

Thank you, glad you're enjoying it.

I'm totally 50/50 on the Thomas Drake case. His behaviour makes me think he probably did it, but there was no strong evidence and he shouldn't have been convicted. I feel sorry for his wife, but I do agree that her comment about him deserving to be in jail even if he didn't do it was out of line. Since all the Dennis Farina UM segments are currently on Youtube, this should be available for viewing somewhere.

Okay, just reread. It all came back. I think what angered me most was how Nancy Drake basically stopped caring about whether or not he actually did it, and thought he belonged in prison just because he "cheated on her".

I still want to watch the segment again but I remember thinking that he didn't do it.


I completely agree. This one is crazy. She was so bitter that he cheated on her and seemed to think he deserved the life sentence just for that. The attack no longer seemed to matter.

Otherwise, I get most angry these days when cases that should have been solved just end with no update whatsoever. Even the one about the family bible. I feel like I should use ancestry.com to see if I can find the heir.

Can somebody explain to me how ANYONE could consider Donny Hansen anything less than 100% responsible for his sister's deaths? Even his own mother knows he is guilty and his stepfather even went on camera saying that he is dead to him! This is one of the only cases where I would bet my life that Donny was directly responsible for their deaths..... and he got acquitted?!? :mad:

I can only guess that it is a case where a jury couldn't possibly believe someone could actually murder their own siblings. Perhaps nobody can be so stupid as to buy the murder weapons two days before the fire? This one puzzles me. Trying to steal the shotgun is just the icing on the cake. As someone who would never be able to serve on a jury because I couldn't bare the thought of an innocent suffering I can confidently say he is guilty, guilty, guilty.

What a world we live in where David Dowaliby is convicted with almost laughable evidence while Donny Hansen practically had "murderer" tattooed on his forehead and gets off.

I am on the fence with Donny Hansen because I feel compelled to give him the benefit of the doubt for two reasons:

1) Remember the Texas teenage spree killers? They utilized weapons and vehicles which they specifically stole from their victims. I see a possibility that the shotgun and gas cans left outside the Hansen home offered random strangers a crime of opportunity.

2) There is also the possibility (however unlikely) that Donny was involved in shady dealings with some dark/dangerous individuals and the act of murdering and/or threatening his family was intended to coerce him into cooperation or silence of some kind. Maybe if he was involved in drug dealing or something along those lines and the perpetrators were trying to set him up for the crime. That could explain why he went to certain measures to hide the shotgun and limit his cooperation with the detectives because it could have potentially exposed his involvement with these shady dealings.

Saw a season 9 case where a nanny killed a 18 month old baby and then 2 years later almost killed a 4 year old girl. She was arrested and was set free without bail and skipped town. No update afterwards either. I was pissed.

I completely agree. This one is crazy. She was so bitter that he cheated on her and seemed to think he deserved the life sentence just for that. The attack no longer seemed to matter.

Otherwise, I get most angry these days when cases that should have been solved just end with no update whatsoever. Even the one about the family bible. I feel like I should use ancestry.com to see if I can find the heir.

Those make me mad too! Especially those that are trying to find their families, like the victims of Ethel Nation, children of mothers forced to put their kids up for adoption, etc. One in particular that always gets me fuming is Geoffrey Harding, who was searching for his brother Lawrence who was kidnapped as a child by two young women. There was never any further updates on the case, so I assumed he never found him. So frustrating! I felt bad for him and was even more surprised that no one ever came forward about anything.

Tony Alamo/Nelson de cloud/Ulysses Roberson. Basically anyone who abuse women and children as a full time job and have people that follow them around like they are the messiah.

Cindy James. Between her unwillingness to reveal who was doing it and the cops' willingness to blame it on herself, I could have kicked in the tube.

First of all, I think it's abundantly clear that the perp was her ex-husband's coworker who isn't even mentioned in the UM episode. This man, Dr. Tyhurst, was found to have been abusing his clients some years after Cindy's death. He was drugging them, tying them up in similar ways and taking pictures.

Cops (and many doctors, she was lucky) like to sneer "multiple personalities" (or "paranoid schizophrenic") when a woman reports being attacked and they can't catch the attacker. It's like they fob everything off onto that. They just take that Ruth Finley case and apply it to anything they can't explain.

Just watched the Georgia Tann episode, didn't kill anybody but what a sick person & the judge who had to have been in on it with her. Can you believe your child gets abducted, then the judge refuses to return the child to you?

Its not an Unsolved Mysteries case...


But the murder of Sister Cathy Cesnik, profiled on the Netflix documentary The Keepers. Not only am I shocked it hasn't gotten any awards, I'm wondering if anyone at Cosgrove Muller knew about the case because it would have made for an interesting segment.

Cindy James. Between her unwillingness to reveal who was doing it and the cops' willingness to blame it on herself, I could have kicked in the tube.

First of all, I think it's abundantly clear that the perp was her ex-husband's coworker who isn't even mentioned in the UM episode. This man, Dr. Tyhurst, was found to have been abusing his clients some years after Cindy's death. He was drugging them, tying them up in similar ways and taking pictures.

Cops (and many doctors, she was lucky) like to sneer "multiple personalities" (or "paranoid schizophrenic") when a woman reports being attacked and they can't catch the attacker. It's like they fob everything off onto that. They just take that Ruth Finley case and apply it to anything they can't explain.


OH MY GOD, YES!! The Cindy James case is crazy. I know she was scared of something, but maybe if she had actually reported what was really going on, this whole case would never have happened. It's ridiculous.

Saw a season 9 case where a nanny killed a 18 month old baby and then 2 years later almost killed a 4 year old girl. She was arrested and was set free without bail and skipped town. No update afterwards either. I was pissed.

Yep. Mary Rosa Hernandez.

Darlie Routier

Because you believe she didn't do it?

Fred Russell. Both he and his dad need to be punched to death.

Fred Russell. Both he and his dad need to be punched to death.

Yeah, Fred Russell definitely made me grind my teeth.

First of all, I think it's abundantly clear that the perp was her ex-husband's coworker who isn't even mentioned in the UM episode. This man, Dr. Tyhurst, was found to have been abusing his clients some years after Cindy's death. He was drugging them, tying them up in similar ways and taking pictures.



Wow, I didn't know anything about that.

Didn't the guy who was staying with Cindy see somebody running up the street in the dark when the fire was lit at her place?

I just re-watched the Su Taraskiewicz case last night and if there was ever a case worthy of outrage, this one is it. The actress did a good job of conveying the daily torment she endured.

There is a $250,000 bring offered, so I can't believe no one has given up the murderer...people who worked with her have to know who it was.

I just re-watched the Su Taraskiewicz case last night and if there was ever a case worthy of outrage, this one is it. The actress did a good job of conveying the daily torment she endured.

There is a $250,000 bring offered, so I can't believe no one has given up the murderer...people who worked with her have to know who it was.

YES. Su does not get nearly enough attention, in my opinion.

Robin did a podcast about Su. Did you get to check it out, by chance?

YES. Su does not get nearly enough attention, in my opinion.

Robin did a podcast about Su. Did you get to check it out, by chance?

No. That's a case I'd love to know more about so I will!

I saw the Stanton's Bones case for the first time yesterday, and the woman interviewed said that she hoped she could identify the remains, so that they could bury her on Santa Cruz Island "if she belonged here."

You know what? Her remains have been in a box in Dr. Stanton's shed for decades. IMO, she belongs there. Just give the woman a proper burial. :rolleyes: