http://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/will-and-grace-creators-david-kohan-max-mutchnick-turn-it-on-podcast-1201891214/

“It’s unbelievable that probably two years ago, we felt like we were almost done with (gay discrimination) as a story in America, that gay rights was about to really (move) toward equal opportunity for all,” says Max Mutchnick.