Maybe that's a bit of an extreme accusation to make but either way, lets first take things back to see how we ultimately got here. Back in 1969 we got Hot Wheels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Wheels_(TV_series)) on ABC, which was the first 30 minute animated TV series based on a toy-line. To make a long story short, this inevitably didn't go over so well with both parents and the FCC, who naturally viewed the show as little more than a half-hour toy commercial.

Regulations were soon put into place to ensure that nothing like this would ever happen again. And by 1974, rules were made so that no television show could be based strictly on merchandise (especially toys aimed at children). This however didn't stop popular shows from spawning toys afterwards.

By the early '80s under the Ronald Reagan administration, the government passed legislation relaxing this regulation and every cartoon (He-Man, G.I. Joe, and Transformers were pretty much the big three) was suddenly just as they feared in 1969: A half-hour commercial for toys (https://www.gobacktothepast.com/blog/146-why-80s-cartoons-were-based-on-toys). To put things into proper perspective, even the Rubik Cube by 1983, had its own weekly animated series (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubik,_the_Amazing_Cube).

Some of them tried to appease wary parents and such by adding 30 second "morals" to the ends of episodes (e.g. G.I. Joe's "Knowing is half the battle!" (https://www.google.com/search?q=Knowing+is+half+the+battle%21+GI+Joe&sca_esv=d0de567ea38b85be&sxsrf=AE3TifPE4ndVypSt_caFiYhdW6ZlSwY2bg%3A1758520608092&ei=IOXQaPm2BfCXwbkPj7OCMA&ved=0ahUKEwj5xrPh1-uPAxXwSzABHY-ZAAYQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Knowing+is+half+the+battle%21+GI+Joe&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiIktub3dpbmcgaXMgaGFsZiB0aGUgYmF0dGxlISBHSSBKb2UyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHkjPFVAAWLMTcAF4AZABAJgBzAGgAY8LqgEFMC43LjG4AQPIAQD4AQH4AQKYAgmgAogNqAISwgIHECMYJxjqAsICExAAGIAEGEMYtAIYigUY6gLYAQHCAhMQLhiABBhDGLQCGIoFGOoC2AEBwgIQEC4YAxi0AhjqAhiPAdgBAcICEBAAGAMYtAIY6gIYjwHYAQGYAyfxBb3HYJqwfRGzugYGCAEQARgBkgcFMS40LjSgB8k7sgcFMC40LjS4B-EMwgcFMy0xLjjIB-gB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) segments), but by 1990 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990&sca_esv=d0de567ea38b85be&sxsrf=AE3TifMSwry41xmw91pa82QNWcsuzJR1dA%3A1758520633655&ei=OeXQaILlJ_mEwbkPu56GkAM&ved=0ahUKEwjC5cvt1-uPAxV5QjABHTuPATIQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiIUNoaWxkcmVuJ3MgVGVsZXZpc2lvbiBBY3Qgb2YgMTk5MDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgYQABgWGB4yCBAAGBYYChgeMgYQABgWGB4yCBAAGBYYChgeMgYQABgWGB4yCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMggQABiiBBiJBUjcMlAAWJQwcAZ4AZABAZgB5AOgAf4_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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp), the FCC realized what a horrible mistake that whole experiment had been and started trying (https://www.google.com/search?q=Reddit+Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990&sca_esv=d0de567ea38b85be&sxsrf=AE3TifNdsnH-GhLBnEnCfDouRfb8rP-OWw%3A1758520719920&ei=j-XQaLT0N_uCwbkP5uSD0As&ved=0ahUKEwj099yW2OuPAxV7QTABHWbyALoQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Reddit+Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) to get back (https://www.google.com/search?q=E%2FI+site%3Aanimesuperhero.com&sca_esv=d0de567ea38b85be&biw=1600&bih=739&sxsrf=AE3TifNS43VpEPwxn_2W6uhwXPV92K-UXQ%3A1758520845163&ei=DebQaJrbCf2OwbkPtouDsAI&ved=0ahUKEwjalbnS2OuPAxV9RzABHbbFACYQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=E%2FI+site%3Aanimesuperhero.com&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiG0UvSSBzaXRlOmFuaW1lc3VwZXJoZXJvLmNvbUjbE1AAWP4PcAB4AJABAJgB7QGgAe8GqgEFMC4zLjK4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgCgAgCYAwCSBwCgB-EBsgcAuAcAwgcAyAcA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) to how things had been prior (https://www.google.com/search?q=Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990+Anime+Superhero+Forums+site:animesuperhero.com&sca_esv=d0de567ea38b85be&sxsrf=AE3TifO6kjPsoof_13IfWOGWQA9yAH9Qhg:1758520842706&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjunaPR2OuPAxU0VTABHXuEBO0QrQIoAnoECB4QAw&biw=1600&bih=739&dpr=1). It should be noted that major related factor involved regulations on advertising in and of itself, and the programs were seen as a loophole to get around those rules as well as make money off elementary kids.

While it's actually absolutely understandable to not want glorified 30 minute toy commercials (let's put it this way, imagine your kids always nagging you to buy them toys that they saw every week on their favorite cartoon), it's another to try to force shows to be educational. Let's think about it for a moment, kids already spend several hours each weekday at school. Do you seriously believe that the first thing that they would want and hope once they get home or when Saturday arrives to be taught even further? I don't know, maybe it just comes across as a bit naïve on the part of those who pushed such a thing.

And to make matters worse, stations wanted to skirt around this anyway, considering the requirements (for those who don't know, broadcast stations are supposed to show E/I programming on Saturday or Sunday from 7a-10a.) involved airing a minimum of three hours of content. As a result, we may have gotten PBS shows syndicated (which in itself, kind of problematic since they weren't designed to feature commercial breaks) or older programming like The Jetsons being passed off as "educational".

To go even further with how problematic the requirements are, ever since Antenna TV launched in the year 2011, they would around Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, show a 48 hour marathon (with the exception for three hours on Christmas morning when they would simulcast New York's WPIX showing the Yule Log) old Christmas themed episodes of TV shows. So where does the E/I problem fit in, well if Christmas Eve and/or Christmas Day falls on a weekend day, that means that three hours (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna_TV#Children.27s_programming) of their marathon can not be shown?

And to make matters worse, stations wanted to skirt around this anyway, considering the requirements (for those who don't know, broadcast stations are supposed to show E/I programming on Saturday or Sunday from 7a-10a.)
I do not believe those stations were required to have such programming only in that time period on those calendar days specifically (you may learn or remind your self about the current requirements here (https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/childrens-educational-television) (personally I do not like them and wish some members of the Congress of the United States would have them repealed))

Bring back Looney Tunes to Saturday mornings!

Some E/I cartoons aren't at all bad. Dragon Tales, Arthur, Cyberchase, Between the Lions, Zoboomafoo, Wishbone, etc. are all awesome for example... and Clifford the Big Red Dog.

I agree that some "E/I cartoons" are not bad at all, but they could had still been made without the rules requiring certain stations to broadcast programs like them.

Honestly, if cartoons were still on ABC, CBS, etc...on Saturday mornings, they'd be horrible CGI computer animated so we're not really missing that much.

Kinda off topic, but E/I programming sometimes causes problems like this

Broadcast stations are supposed to show E/I programming on Saturday or Sunday from 7a-10a. Since Antenna Tv launched in 2011, every Christmas Eve and Christmas Day they would have a 48 hour marathon of Christmas episodes of Tv shows (except for three hours on Christmas morning when they would simulcast New York's WPIX showing the Yule Log. Both Antenna Tv and WPIX are both owned by Tribune). Only problem is when Christmas Eve and/or Christmas Day falls on a weekend day, that means that three hours of their marathon would not be shown and I can only imagine the uproar it would cause on message boards If Antenna Tv Deemed it necessary to preempt the Yule Log in favor of the obligated E/I programming when they can show it at a later time.

^Oh, definitely. Last year from 1-2pm on Christmas Eve that part was pre-empted so they could show more E/I shows. I don't know why...? :confused:

I think E/I's Litton Entertainment KILLED the network cartoon!

Educational Shows SHOULD be entertaining whether live or animated! Sesame Street is a perfect example! And the first 25 years of Sesame Street is VERY entertaining! Seeing a kid with a pet llama, Paul Simon singing a hit tune to the children, even some trippy creative cartoons.

Elmo's Sesame Street isn't like that...

Sesame Street was still very good until Bert and Ernie's Great Adventures IMO. then it kept on going downhill from there.

Kinda off topic, but E/I programming sometimes causes problems like this

Broadcast stations are supposed to show E/I programming on Saturday or Sunday from 7a-10a. .
Did you miss one of my previous messages in this discussion?

And to make matters worse, stations wanted to skirt around this anyway, considering the requirements (for those who don't know, broadcast stations are supposed to show E/I programming on Saturday or Sunday from 7a-10a.)
I do not believe those stations were required to have such programming only in that time period on those calendar days specifically (you may learn or remind your self about the current requirements here (https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/childrens-educational-television) (personally I do not like them and wish some members of the Congress of the United States would have them repealed))

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You kids today with your streaming services and TikTok will never understand Saturday morning cartoons (https://www.google.com/search?q=How+Saturday+Morning+Cartoons+Died.&sca_esv=594329199&sxsrf=AM9HkKntKk5n4IJziFMVCXUhxoKT3ZWvjQ%3A1703813619776&ei=8yGOZZKAL67AkPIPmK2eqAs&ved=0ahUKEwjSxceswLODAxUuIEQIHZiWB7UQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=How+Saturday+Morning+Cartoons+Died.&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiI0hvdyBTYXR1cmRheSBNb3JuaW5nIENhcnRvb25zIERpZWQuMgYQABgWGB4yCxAAGIAEGIoFGIYDMgsQABiABBiKBRiGA0i1A1AAWMYBcAF4AZABAJgBaKABaKoBAzAuMbgBA8gBAPgBAfgBAqgCE8ICBxAjGOoCGCfCAhMQABiABBiKBRhDGOoCGLQC2AEBwgIWEC4YgAQYigUYQxjIAxjqAhi0AtgBAsICGRAuGIAEGIoFGEMY1AIYyAMY6gIYtALYAQLiAwQYACBBiAYBugYGCAEQARgBugYGCAIQARgI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp).

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It's been a long time since I've posted an old ET clip. This one features a segment from the October 21, 1995 weekend edition of Entertainment Tonight where Bob Goen (Goen - who had previously hosted the short-lived 1988 CBS game show "Blackout" and was the final host of the daytime version of "Wheel of Fortune" from mid-1989 until its cancellation in 1991 - co-hosted the weekend editions at the time alongside Julie Moran) teased a segment looking at the initial (https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-no-action-for-children%E2%80%99s-television.342620/#post-10260869) Children's Television Act (https://www.google.com/search?q=Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990+reddit&sca_esv=edb9f998570affa4&sxsrf=AE3TifPvMdaHwcdY5iK623pFPl14v2W8kw%3A1752725687734&ei=t3h4aKPLLJnFp84PrfeH6AE&ved=0ahUKEwjjgoaAhMOOAxWZ4skDHa37AR0Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990+reddit&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiKENoaWxkcmVuJ3MgVGVsZXZpc2lvbiBBY3Qgb2YgMTk5MCByZWRkaXQyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYgAQYogQyCBAAGKIEGIkFSPEWUKEHWIQUcAJ4AJABAJgBwQGgAfwKqgEDMC44uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIFoALSBMICCxAAGLADGKIEGIkFwgILEAAYgAQYsAMYogSYAwCIBgGQBgSSBwMyLjOgB5smsgcDMC4zuAe0BMIHAzMtNcgHPw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) and how it was doing (https://animesuperhero.com/forums/threads/1970s-why-did-they-suck.3138161/post-45954791) in terms of making children's television more educational (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=40684).

Known as (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc7_ykgt51w) the Children's Television Act of 1990 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990&oq=Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTMyODZqMGoxNagCCLACAfEFQE6t3TUXZpnxBUBOrd01F2aZ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) (which sought to (https://animesuperhero.com/forums/threads/is-peggy-charren-the-most-hated-person-in-animation-history.4200231/) require the FCC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhyeA3a5xaU) to, among other things, count educational programming as a factor in a station (https://thrillingdaysofyesteryear.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/hi-cartooners/)'s license while reducing advertising in hopes of increasing (https://www.google.com/search?q=Peggy+Charren+reddit&sca_esv=edb9f998570affa4&sxsrf=AE3TifMZ3dKMEbDRrcGp2uQYjNjmiWaXJQ%3A1752726415554&ei=j3t4aIrRIefK0PEP2P2L0Aw&ved=0ahUKEwjK1IzbhsOOAxVnJTQIHdj-AsoQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Peggy+Charren+reddit&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFFBlZ2d5IENoYXJyZW4gcmVkZGl0SKWgAVAAWIUncAB4AJABAZgB1hWgAaFTqgEHMi0xLjktNLgBA8gBAPgBAZgCAaAC_gHCAgsQLhiABBiRAhiKBcICCBAAGKIEGIkFwgIIEAAYgAQYogTCAgUQABjvBcICGhAuGIAEGJECGIoFGJcFGNwEGN4EGN8E2AEBmAMAugYGCAEQARgUkgcDMi0xoAeTC7IHAzItMbgH_gHCBwM1LTHIBys&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) educational programming on regular television {vs. just PBS}. The bill had been allowed to become law without a signature from then-President George H.W. Bush); by 1995 the legislation in the eyes of those seeking more overtly educational programming (https://www.nytimes.com/1983/06/05/arts/children-have-a-voice-in-peggy-charren.html) left much to be desired (https://www.google.com/search?q=Peggy+Charren+Saturday+morning+cartoons&sca_esv=edb9f998570affa4&biw=1600&bih=773&sxsrf=AE3TifPEpFFOy-pGOWB2KItoqj0GHKZ2nA%3A1752728552188&ei=6IN4aMWeC4igqtsP1ui82Ac&ved=0ahUKEwjFsvbVjsOOAxUIkGoFHVY0D3s4FBDh1QMIEA&uact=5&oq=Peggy+Charren+Saturday+morning+cartoons&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiJ1BlZ2d5IENoYXJyZW4gU2F0dXJkYXkgbW9ybmluZyBjYXJ0b29uczIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKsCMgUQIRirAjIFECEYqwJItyNQAFjeH3AAeACQAQCYAecDoAHlL6oBCTAuMi45LjYuM7gBA8gBAPgBAZgCEqACvC7CAgQQIxgnwgIGEAAYFhgewgIIEAAYogQYiQXCAgUQABjvBZgDAJIHBzItNi45LjOgB7tOsgcHMi02LjkuM7gHvC7CBwYzLTE3LjHIB-8B&sclient=gws-wiz-serp), as while shows such as CBS' "Beakman's World", FOX's "Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego?" and the PBS/syndicated "Bill Nye the Science Guy" garnered praise; a number of stations were being "creative" in defining educational programming (https://wastelandandsky.blogspot.com/2019/04/saturday-morning-sundown.html), counting shows such as "America's Funniest Home Videos", "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers", "Biker Mice from Mars" and even "Yogi Bear" (https://www.illustrationhistory.org/essays/hanna-barbera-the-architects-of-saturday-morning) as educational shows.

Ultimately, pressure from FCC commissioner Reed Hundt and the Clinton White House (https://twitter.com/wastelandJD/status/1858605838853657062) resulted in the Children's Programming Report and Order in August 1996 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Children%27s+Programming+Report+and+Order+in+August+1996&sca_esv=edb9f998570affa4&sxsrf=AE3TifPvMdaHwcdY5iK623pFPl14v2W8kw%3A1752725687734&ei=t3h4aKPLLJnFp84PrfeH6AE&ved=0ahUKEwjjgoaAhMOOAxWZ4skDHa37AR0Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Children%27s+Programming+Report+and+Order+in+August+1996&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) (among the things it did was provide much stricter controls (https://www.facebook.com/groups/metvtoons/posts/1150285982917890/) on what constituted educational shows (https://animesuperhero.com/forums/threads/article-about-q5s-meddling-in-abc-saturday-morning-shows.4605191/post-71270181); require 3 hours (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThinkOfTheChildren) of educational programming between 7:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. by the fall of 1997 and mark said shows with an "E/I" (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22E%2FI%22+programming&sca_esv=edb9f998570affa4&sxsrf=AE3TifNs2XKMv8iT3vdLF4m0BLoNLSP07A%3A1752725859435&ei=Y3l4aOOyGs3FkPIPhdbpEA&ved=0ahUKEwij8PXRhMOOAxXNIkQIHQVrGgIQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=%22E%2FI%22+programming&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiESJFL0kiIHByb2dyYW1taW5nMgsQABiABBiRAhiKBTIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB5IlCJQyQRYhhVwAXgBkAEAmAHhDaAB9UCqAQ0zLTEuMS4wLjEuMC40uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIHoALdP8ICChAAGLADGNYEGEfCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIFEAAYgATCAggQABiABBiiBMICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFmAMAiAYBkAYIkgcLMS40LTEuMC4xLjSgB84esgcJNC0xLjAuMS40uAeyP8IHBzMtMy4zLjHIB7AB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) (for educational/informational (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=5736419&postcount=5)) tag.

Interviewed are Valerie Schulte of the National Association of Broadcasters (who opposed further government action); UC-San Diego professor Dale Kunkel (who supported stricter action from Washington on the matter) and Massachusetts Democratic Congressman (now Senator (https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/awiju1/comment/ehn66wg/)) Ed Markey (https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/5xuq4b/comment/delv5fd/) (who (https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1017416894146494464) at the time was the ranking member of the House Telecommunications Subcommittee).

and mark said shows with an "E/I" (for educational/informational) tag.

This is why I can't watch Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom on ME-TV. It's bad enough their logo takes up most of the corner, but that E/I is a huge distraction. I have fond memories of watching this show as a kid every Sunday. For many years I have wanted to see it again and now when I'm finally able to I have to deal with this E/I crap on my screen.

The biggest creative mistakes made during the production of Saved by the Bell: The New Class included the constant and unexplained revolving door of cast members, which prevented character development and audience connection, and an initial reliance on recycling original show scripts and character archetypes, which made it feel like a "watered-down" imitation. (https://www.google.com/search?q=What+are+the+biggest+creative+mistakes+that+were+made+during+the+production+of+Saved+by+the+Bell%3A+The+New+Class+%281993-2000%29%3F&sca_esv=04a013b6530774b2&sxsrf=AE3TifPR4ciacaMB6zDfUPcU4-ipYTm3rg%3A1760504138542&udm=50&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ1Y6MJ25_tmWITc7uy4KIeoJTKjrFjVxydQWqI2NcOhZVmrJB8DQUK5IzxA2fZbQF4YL5sNSRJGgx0e9Z9AxExzjE4_ynshmXB4KOs3cwRUeWWsKhEolaqKblYfDXcX8o44lrMqH67kppK0pOExd7q2yJDRQQKlpEBHmw6_MVnVB63-D4QfZ_FNhtd2-sQaouA4jq5w&aep=1&ntc=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwizu7b-tKWQAxWWSjABHVLfCewQ2J8OegQIEhAE&biw=1600&bih=739&dpr=1&mstk=AUtExfBTLYQR18TDnz6BZ0FlP649FVU7TKx4XX6X-8QPFLp-ORAm3o3cG287FsbzRwptlSpYWVqS6jhY_bui7WtRuQzt3M8Mh82guV2rEmc29fTT-xrPnNfALo0GDelUMa68WopbqutRNdagW4pwXBLSRFjZOsvZdi5o2iK23kpPyGw30hlz9ihh1MO8Z4nxMoCx4ANZL9MZZS1ccy_t3nilkdxy72NmJOqsFOUtcFkPFwmmECjsy9goM5rGqPezblAxz79PJPeVQIPFtwt5I4n1Qch7-JZ4Itt4C88DWJBPASBRQkIdWhn4GjVeF-aHbYkYdTVLYRIwLR7rqA&csuir=1&mtid=ayrvaNvYBcqGwbkPs92I2AU)

Key creative mistakes included:


Bland Writing and Uneven Tone: The writing was often criticized as lazy and bland, with the show struggling to distinguish itself from its predecessor. The writers were constrained by E/I (Educational/Informational) mandates for Saturday morning programming, which led to heavy-handed moralizing and a feeling of being "talked down to" by the audience.


The E/I mandates stemmed from the Children's Television Act of 1990 (CTA), a federal law requiring all commercial broadcast TV stations in the U.S. to air programming that serves the "educational and informational" needs of children.

Key Details of the E/I Mandates:

Core Requirements: The rules required stations to air a minimum of three hours of "core educational programming" per week, usually scheduled between 7 a.m. and 10 p.m..
Definition of Educational: The programming had to be specifically designed to meet the intellectual/cognitive or social/emotional needs of children 16 and younger. This definition was initially broad and vague, which led to some broadcasters attempting to classify general-interest shows like The Jetsons or G.I. Joe as educational.
Advertising Limits: The Act imposed strict limits on the amount of advertising that could be shown during children's programming: 10.5 minutes per hour on weekends and 12 minutes per hour on weekdays. It also banned "program-length commercials" (e.g., a show based on a toy line advertising that same toy during the broadcast).
On-Air Identification: Starting in 1997, all compliant programs had to display an "E/I" logo on-screen throughout the broadcast.
Reporting Obligations: Stations were required to keep and publicize detailed quarterly reports on their efforts to air educational content, which the FCC used as a factor when renewing their broadcast licenses.


Impact on Saved by the Bell: The New Class

NBC used the Saved by the Bell franchise, including The New Class, to fulfill its E/I obligations, moving away from traditional Saturday morning cartoons entirely in 1992.

"Prosocial" Storylines: To qualify as E/I, every episode of The New Class had to incorporate a heavy-handed "prosocial" life lesson, covering topics like the dangers of teen drinking, racism, ethics, and honesty.
Formulaic Writing: Critics and even some industry insiders noted that this led to formulaic writing, where the educational message was often clumsily "tacked on" rather than being an organic part of the story. The audience could "see through" the forced moralizing, contributing to the perception of bland writing and a preachy tone.
In-house Consultants: NBC even sent script outlines and drafts to academic consultants to ensure every episode met the educational requirements, a process that influenced the show's structure.


Ultimately, the E/I mandates heavily influenced the creative direction of the show, forcing it to prioritize explicit moral instruction over organic storytelling and character development, a major creative mistake in the eyes of many viewers and critics.

A classic example of the formulaic E/I plotline in Saved by the Bell: The New Class is the episode "Show Me the Money" (https://web.archive.org/web/20170821170045/http://www.savedbythebellreviewed.com/2016/10/10/the-new-class-season-7-episode-1-show-me-the-money/) (Season 7, Episode 1). This episode perfectly illustrates the "problem, moral dilemma, resolution with a clear lesson" structure mandated by E/I rules.

"Show Me the Money" Plotline

The Set-Up (The Problem/Poor Choice): Nicky, Eric, and Tony are tasked with raising money for their senior class trip. In an attempt to get rich quickly, they decide to invest the money in the stock market.
The Escalation (The Moral Dilemma): The stock market crashes, and the boys lose all the money, putting the entire class trip at risk and forcing them to confront disappointing their peers and Mr. Belding. They face pressure to find a quick fix and try various desperate measures to secretly regain the funds.
The Climax and Resolution (The Formulaic Lesson): Ultimately, they realize their get-rich-quick scheme was a mistake and that they can't cover it up. They confess to Mr. Belding and the class. The resolution isn't a magical fix; it's about taking responsibility and hard work. They have to earn the money back through honest labor, such as washing cars.


How E/I Made It Formulaic

Predictable Moral: The audience could anticipate from the beginning that the "easy money" scheme would fail and that the educational message would be about the value of honesty and hard work. The plot existed solely to deliver this specific, easily digestible moral.
Heavy-Handed Delivery: The characters' dialogue often explicitly stated the moral lesson they were learning, leaving no room for interpretation. The message wasn't subtle; it was the entire point of the episode.
Contrived Situations: The entire premise of high school students managing a large sum of class money and investing it in the stock market was slightly far-fetched, designed purely to create a scenario where a financial ethics lesson could be applied.
Lack of Nuance: There was little gray area in the decision-making; the "wrong" choice was clearly presented as wrong from the outset, and the "right" choice was the only way to resolve the conflict, making the story's arc predictable and simplistic.


Another heavily moralized episode example is "Highs and Lows" (https://web.archive.org/web/20170821170250/http://www.savedbythebellreviewed.com/2016/02/08/the-new-class-season-5-episode-5-highs-and-lows/) (Season 5, Episode 5), which tackles the issue of marijuana use in a very direct and formulaic way to meet the E/I mandates.

"Highs and Lows" Plotline Example

The Set-Up (The Problem/Poor Choice): Maria is thrilled to land the lead role in the school play. A new friend she makes, however, introduces her to marijuana as a way to "relax" and deal with the pressure of her new role and school in general.
The Escalation (The Moral Dilemma): Maria starts using the drug more frequently, which begins to affect her performance in the play and her relationships with her boyfriend, Nicky, and her other friends. She becomes secretive and defensive, lying about her behavior. The problem is framed as an immediate slippery slope with clear negative consequences.
The Climax and Resolution (The Formulaic Lesson): Her friends and Mr. Belding discover what's going on. Rather than a complex exploration of addiction or peer pressure, the issue is resolved quickly once it's brought into the open. Maria is forced to confront the negative impact of her choices, makes a clear decision to stop using, and accepts the consequences of her actions.


How E/I Made It Formulaic

Zero Ambiguity: The episode presents a completely black-and-white view of drug use; there are no shades of gray or exploration of underlying issues beyond "drugs are bad." The message is unambiguous and central to the plot.
"Very Special Episode" Tone: The writing adopted a distinct, serious, and often preachy tone typical of a 90s "very special episode." The characters, particularly Mr. Belding and her boyfriend Nicky, explicitly verbalize the dangers and the moral failings involved.
Quick Fix Resolution: The problem, which in real life would be a serious issue requiring long-term help, is neatly resolved within the 22-minute runtime. Once the character acknowledges their mistake and accepts the moral lesson, the problem is essentially solved by episode's end.
Contrived Scenario: The plot is entirely structured around the delivery of an anti-drug message, from the "new friend as a bad influence" trope to the clear link between the behavior and immediate negative outcomes (losing the play role, relationship strain).


The E/I mandates led to unrealistic dialogue by forcing characters to explicitly narrate or moralize the episode's message in a way no real teenager would. The most jarring examples are when a character who made a bad choice suddenly delivers a perfectly formed, preachy summation of their moral failure and what they've learned.

Here is a fictionalized (but representative) example, heavily inspired by the tone of episodes like "Highs and Lows":

Scenario: A group of students is trying to convince their friend, Maria, to stop using marijuana.

Unrealistic Dialogue (influenced by E/I mandates):

Nicky: Maria, you have to stop. This "relaxing" is really just an escape. I understand the pressure you're under, but using drugs isn't the answer. It affects your intellectual development and your social relationships.

Maria: (After a moment of realization) You're right, Nicky. I thought I was finding a shortcut, but I've only hurt myself and my friends. There are no shortcuts to success. Honesty and hard work are the only way to build strong character. I need to take personal responsibility for my actions.

Mr. Belding: (Overhearing them and stepping in) That's the spirit, Maria! A strong character is more important than any school play. Remember, when you choose to use drugs, you're not just hurting yourself, you're hurting everyone who cares about you.

Why this is unrealistic:

"Textbook" Language: Characters use formal, "textbook" terms like "intellectual development," "social relationships," and "personal responsibility" rather than how a teenager would actually phrase their concerns or realizations.
Explicit Moralizing: The dialogue directly states the episode's E/I objective (e.g., "There are no shortcuts," "Honesty and hard work are the only way to build strong character"), eliminating any need for the audience to interpret the message themselves.
Instantaneous Acceptance: The character with the "problem" often has an instant change of heart and immediately adopts the "correct" moral viewpoint after a short confrontation, which is not how real behavioral change works. The dialogue serves to wrap up the lesson quickly.
Mr. Belding as "Moral Police": Mr. Belding frequently appeared out of nowhere to add a final, definitive, adult-approved summation of the moral lesson, often using overly simplistic proverbs or cliches


Without E/I influence, the dialogue in Saved by the Bell: The New Class (and its original predecessor) was more casual, focused on typical high school rivalries, flirting, and light humor, with characters interacting in a more natural, less formal way.

Here are examples of dialogue from The New Class and the original series that are not heavily moralized:

Example 1: Friendly Banter and Sarcasm

This type of exchange focuses purely on character dynamics and humor, with no life lesson attached.

Ryan Parker: That's it, I'm getting my own car!

R. J. 'Hollywood' Collins: Great. Toys 'R' Us is right down the street.

Example 2: The Rivalry Dynamic

This dialogue highlights the competition between characters for status, a common non-E/I plot point.

Dialogue in Saved by the Bell: The New Class not influenced by E/I mandates often featured playful exchanges and sarcastic remarks, such as a back-and-forth between characters like Tommy 'D' De Luca and Scott Erickson. Another example is dialogue highlighting a character's unique personality and physical comedy, like an exchange involving Samuel 'Screech' Powers and Maria Lopez where Screech recounts a past incident. Unlike E/I influenced dialogue, these examples are more focused on entertainment and character interaction through fast-paced, informal language, rather than conveying an explicit moral message.

A classic example of heavily E/I-influenced dialogue comes from the anti-drug episode "No Hope with Dope" (from the original Saved by the Bell, but a tone continued in The New Class). The dialogue is a clear, forced statement of the episode's moral.

Scenario: The main characters have produced an anti-drug video project, and a TV executive is there to judge it.

Mr. Belding: Well, I think this video is excellent. It gets right to the point.

Zack Morris: That's what we wanted, sir. We wanted to show that you have to be strong enough to make your own choices.

Kelly Kapowski: Yeah. And that if you choose drugs, you lose everything: your friends, your family, your future.

NBC Executive (Brandon Tartikoff): (Playing himself in a cameo) And that's the message America needs to hear. That's a good lesson. A good, strong lesson.

This is E/I-influenced dialogue because:

Characters as Mouthpieces: The students act less like teenagers and more like spokespeople for a public service announcement, directly stating the moral of the story.
Explicit Stating of Message: They use lines like "if you choose drugs, you lose everything," which is a highly moralized, absolute statement designed to meet the educational mandate.
External Validation: The inclusion of the NBC executive (a real-life figure) is a meta-commentary that validates the purpose of the E/I programming itself, ensuring the audience (and the FCC) understands the "educational" nature of the content.

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Maybe that's a bit of an extreme accusation to make but either way, lets first take things back to see how we ultimately got here. Back in 1969 we got Hot Wheels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Wheels_(TV_series)) on ABC, which was the first 30 minute animated TV series based on a toy-line. To make a long story short, this inevitably didn't go over so well with both parents and the FCC, who naturally viewed the show as little more than a half-hour toy commercial.

Regulations were soon put into place to ensure that nothing like this would ever happen again. And by 1974, rules were made so that no television show could be based strictly on merchandise (especially toys aimed at children). This however didn't stop popular shows from spawning toys afterwards.

By the early '80s under the Ronald Reagan administration, the government passed legislation relaxing this regulation and every cartoon (He-Man, G.I. Joe, and Transformers were pretty much the big three) was suddenly just as they feared in 1969: A half-hour commercial for toys (https://www.gobacktothepast.com/blog/146-why-80s-cartoons-were-based-on-toys). To put things into proper perspective, even the Rubik Cube by 1983, had its own weekly animated series (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubik,_the_Amazing_Cube).

Some of them tried to appease wary parents and such by adding 30 second "morals" to the ends of episodes (e.g. G.I. Joe's "Knowing is half the battle!" (https://www.google.com/search?q=Knowing+is+half+the+battle%21+GI+Joe&sca_esv=d0de567ea38b85be&sxsrf=AE3TifPE4ndVypSt_caFiYhdW6ZlSwY2bg%3A1758520608092&ei=IOXQaPm2BfCXwbkPj7OCMA&ved=0ahUKEwj5xrPh1-uPAxXwSzABHY-ZAAYQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Knowing+is+half+the+battle%21+GI+Joe&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiIktub3dpbmcgaXMgaGFsZiB0aGUgYmF0dGxlISBHSSBKb2UyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHkjPFVAAWLMTcAF4AZABAJgBzAGgAY8LqgEFMC43LjG4AQPIAQD4AQH4AQKYAgmgAogNqAISwgIHECMYJxjqAsICExAAGIAEGEMYtAIYigUY6gLYAQHCAhMQLhiABBhDGLQCGIoFGOoC2AEBwgIQEC4YAxi0AhjqAhiPAdgBAcICEBAAGAMYtAIY6gIYjwHYAQGYAyfxBb3HYJqwfRGzugYGCAEQARgBkgcFMS40LjSgB8k7sgcFMC40LjS4B-EMwgcFMy0xLjjIB-gB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) segments), but by 1990 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990&sca_esv=d0de567ea38b85be&sxsrf=AE3TifMSwry41xmw91pa82QNWcsuzJR1dA%3A1758520633655&ei=OeXQaILlJ_mEwbkPu56GkAM&ved=0ahUKEwjC5cvt1-uPAxV5QjABHTuPATIQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiIUNoaWxkcmVuJ3MgVGVsZXZpc2lvbiBBY3Qgb2YgMTk5MDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgYQABgWGB4yCBAAGBYYChgeMgYQABgWGB4yCBAAGBYYChgeMgYQABgWGB4yCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMggQABiiBBiJBUjcMlAAWJQwcAZ4AZABAZgB5AOgAf4_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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp), the FCC realized what a horrible mistake that whole experiment had been and started trying (https://www.google.com/search?q=Reddit+Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990&sca_esv=d0de567ea38b85be&sxsrf=AE3TifNdsnH-GhLBnEnCfDouRfb8rP-OWw%3A1758520719920&ei=j-XQaLT0N_uCwbkP5uSD0As&ved=0ahUKEwj099yW2OuPAxV7QTABHWbyALoQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Reddit+Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) to get back (https://www.google.com/search?q=E%2FI+site%3Aanimesuperhero.com&sca_esv=d0de567ea38b85be&biw=1600&bih=739&sxsrf=AE3TifNS43VpEPwxn_2W6uhwXPV92K-UXQ%3A1758520845163&ei=DebQaJrbCf2OwbkPtouDsAI&ved=0ahUKEwjalbnS2OuPAxV9RzABHbbFACYQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=E%2FI+site%3Aanimesuperhero.com&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiG0UvSSBzaXRlOmFuaW1lc3VwZXJoZXJvLmNvbUjbE1AAWP4PcAB4AJABAJgB7QGgAe8GqgEFMC4zLjK4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgCgAgCYAwCSBwCgB-EBsgcAuAcAwgcAyAcA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) to how things had been prior (https://www.google.com/search?q=Children%27s+Television+Act+of+1990+Anime+Superhero+Forums+site:animesuperhero.com&sca_esv=d0de567ea38b85be&sxsrf=AE3TifO6kjPsoof_13IfWOGWQA9yAH9Qhg:1758520842706&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjunaPR2OuPAxU0VTABHXuEBO0QrQIoAnoECB4QAw&biw=1600&bih=739&dpr=1). It should be noted that major related factor involved regulations on advertising in and of itself, and the programs were seen as a loophole to get around those rules as well as make money off elementary kids.

Was (https://share.google/aimode/2xdKOQ55itiAFIdHl) E/I (https://chatgpt.com/s/t_68ef5c5b54d08191be21ef111a0406a9) meant to kill (https://www.perplexity.ai/search/was-e-i-meant-to-kill-network-dva0EGPmQS6G6Ojt7nmIIg#0) network cartoons (https://poe.com/s/Clrl72h8xB3O6Xel0VUe)?

What are (https://poe.com/s/xySBluhsvjgitUrcuYFf) the biggest consequences (google.com/search?q=What+are+the+biggest+consequences+to+come+from+the+Children%27s+Programming+Report+and+Order+in+August+1996%3F+Among+the+things+it+did+was+provide+much+stricter+controls+on+what+constituted+educational+television+shows%3B+require+3+hours+of+educational+programming+between+7:00+a.m.+and+10:00+p.m.+by+the+fall+of+1997,+and+mark+said+shows+with+an+"E/I"+(for+educational/informational)+tag.&sca_esv=552fb68e3d08662a&sxsrf=AE3TifPj_iNOBORR7y_frPXVNMmB79y1fA:1760517367459&udm=50&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ59Aj-dkSgmXWKpa2HWaBZDtyvvIn4PVHl081BMOU6hoprXxfr-qpT0UGGVzMIyugMR1JjHNRmzowsdZHpiE1irYCbGnHMmMx4L5oLtkYrybDSbyQTXK8XURuuSR2yRlUHl7zYSAbu4MMU4kUw6H2AkgQsML-6jywUPOHLL-WHgLHwZHMbeupuNr39CkpfKv5vZvlFQ&aep=1&ntc=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3urui5qWQAxVYQzABHb42BNMQ2J8OegQIEhAE&biw=1600&bih=739&dpr=1) to come from (https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-are-the-biggest-consequen-YgoMjPaZR4SpuxUUuB4BBQ#0) the Children's Programming Report and Order (https://www.google.com/search?q=What+are+the+biggest+consequences+to+come+from+the+Children%27s+Programming+Report+and+Order+in+August+1996%3F+Among+the+things+it+did+was+provide+much+stricter+controls+on+what+constituted+educational+television+shows%3B+require+3+hours+of+educational+programming+between+7%3A00+a.m.+and+10%3A00+p.m.+by+the+fall+of+1997%2C+and+mark+said+shows+with+an+%22E%2FI%22+%28for+educational%2Finformational%29+tag.&sca_esv=552fb68e3d08662a&sxsrf=AE3TifPSWxPbM56D9LyDgTdfiuWfqZZyLg%3A1760516047462&ei=z1fvaImBHPHnwN4P9_K1wQk&ved=0ahUKEwjJpIWt4aWQAxXxM9AFHXd5LZgQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=What+are+the+biggest+consequences+to+come+from+the+Children%27s+Programming+Report+and+Order+in+August+1996%3F+Among+the+things+it+did+was+provide+much+stricter+controls+on+what+constituted+educational+television+shows%3B+require+3+hours+of+educational+programming+between+7%3A00+a.m.+and+10%3A00+p.m.+by+the+fall+of+1997%2C+and+mark+said+shows+with+an+%22E%2FI%22+%28for+educational%2Finformational%29+tag.&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAi_wJXaGF0IGFyZSB0aGUgYmlnZ2VzdCBjb25zZXF1ZW5jZXMgdG8gY29tZSBmcm9tIHRoZSBDaGlsZHJlbidzIFByb2dyYW1taW5nIFJlcG9ydCBhbmQgT3JkZXIgaW4gQXVndXN0IDE5OTY_IEFtb25nIHRoZSB0aGluZ3MgaXQgZGlkIHdhcyBwcm92aWRlIG11Y2ggc3RyaWN0ZXIgY29udHJvbHMgb24gd2hhdCBjb25zdGl0dXRlZCBlZHVjYXRpb25hbCB0ZWxldmlzaW9uIHNob3dzOyByZXF1aXJlIDMgaG91cnMgb2YgZWR1Y2F0aW9uYWwgcHJvZ3JhbW1pbmcgYmV0d2VlbiA3OjAwIGEubS4gYW5kIDEwOjAwIHAubS4gYnkgdGhlIGZhbGwgb2YgMTk5NywgYW5kIG1hcmsgc2FpZCBzaG93cyB3aXRoIGFuICJFL0kiIChmb3IgZWR1Y2F0aW9uYWwvaW5mb3JtYXRpb25hbCkgdGFnLkgAUABYAHAAeAGQAQCYAQCgAQCqAQC4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgCgAgCYAwCSBwCgBwCyBwC4BwDCBwDIBwA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) in August 1996 (https://chatgpt.com/s/t_68ef5e143e388191ab668fe5fb5c2c18)?

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How American Romance Comics Died a Slow Death and No One Seemed to Care (https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/5xuq4b/comment/delv5fd/)

That is a really interesting topic (https://chatgpt.com/c/68ef6069-6644-8332-bccf-0c0c83a7d8df) — and you’re absolutely right to connect Fredric Wertham and Peggy Charren under that umbrella of progressive moral reformers, even though their campaigns happened decades apart and focused on different media (comics vs. TV).

Both were not conservative crusaders like, say, the religious right figures who came later in the 1980s, but rather liberal reformers motivated by a mix of child welfare, social responsibility, and distrust of commercialism. Here’s how their parallels line up:

🧠 Fredric Wertham (1950s)


Political identity: A left-leaning psychiatrist, concerned with poverty, racism, and juvenile delinquency.

Belief: Comics (especially crime and horror) were corrupting youth and promoting violence and sexism.

Approach: Advocated censorship through “reform,” not religious morality.

Outcome: His crusade led to the Comics Code Authority (1954) — effectively neutering entire genres and wiping out much of the creative energy from American comics for decades.


📺 Peggy Charren (1970s–1990s)

Political identity: A liberal feminist and consumer advocate. Founder of Action for Children’s Television (ACT).

Belief: Children’s TV should be educational and free from commercial exploitation.

Approach: Pushed for legislation like the Children’s Television Act (1990) and stricter FCC enforcement (1996 “Children’s Programming Report and Order”).

Outcome: Networks abandoned much of the action-adventure animation that had defined Saturday mornings — since it was hard to defend those as “educational” or ad-safe. The result: a tamer, more didactic landscape dominated by E/I shows and fewer narrative cartoons.

🎭 The Irony

Both Wertham and Charren sincerely believed they were protecting children and elevating culture — not killing creativity. Yet both ended up stifling it through well-meaning regulation.

Michael Chabon (who, fittingly, has written eloquently about both comics and nostalgia) nailed it when he called Wertham “a well-intentioned liberal, progressive man.” The same line could apply to Charren — and even to Senator Markey, whose intent was cultural uplift but whose legacy arguably helped end the “golden age” of network children’s entertainment.

Would you like me to outline how the 1996 FCC order specifically drove networks out of the Saturday morning cartoon business, or compare it more directly to the Comics Code’s chilling effect on the comic book industry?

That’s a sharp observatio (https://www.perplexity.ai/search/fredrik-wertham-wasn-t-conserv-u4eiRfG0RVeCCv6ZasdmNg#0)n — and you’re right: Fredric Wertham was far from a traditional conservative moralist. He identified as a progressive reformer, deeply influenced by social psychiatry and the idea that media could shape a more humane society. His 1954 book Seduction of the Innocent sprang more from his liberal social concerns about juvenile well-being and urban inequality than from religious or conservative ideology. As Michael Chabon notes, Wertham believed he was acting in the public interest, though his approach ended up aligning with censorship movements.

The same paradox runs through the Children’s Television Act (1990) and figures like Peggy Charren (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=40684) and Sen. Edward Markey. They were liberal activists, not moral crusaders, driven by concern for children’s education and fairness on the public airwaves. But their advocacy, particularly for limits on advertising and mandates for “educational/informational” content, unintentionally wiped out many of the more imaginative, serialized, and adventurous Saturday morning shows — the very storytelling Chabon and many others grew up loving.

In both Wertham’s and Charren’s cases, you see the liberal paternalism of mid-to-late 20th-century media reform: a sincere belief that reforming TV and comics could reform society. Instead, those efforts often narrowed artistic and imaginative space under the banner of protecting youth.

Would you like me to break down how Charren and Markey’s advocacy specifically affected Saturday morning animation lineups in the early 1990s?

You've touched on a fascinating aspect of media criticism and the impact of advocacy on popular culture (https://poe.com/s/05Gdo4gcfZduWSbZhTKW). Fredrik Wertham, known for his critique of comic books in the 1950s, certainly had a significant influence on public perception and policy regarding comics. His views, while rooted in a concern for youth and societal values, often led to censorship and the decline of certain genres, particularly adventure comics.

Similarly, Peggy Charren's efforts to improve children's television programming, while well-intentioned, also faced criticism for limiting creative expression. The tension between protecting audiences and fostering artistic freedom is a recurring theme in media history.

Michael Chabon's reflections on these figures highlight the complexities of their legacies—balancing progressive ideals with the unintended consequences of their actions. It's a rich topic that raises questions about the role of advocacy in shaping culture and the fine line between reform and censorship. What specific aspects of this topic are you most interested in exploring further?

You are correct that both (https://www.google.com/search?q=Fredrik+Wertham+wasn%27t+Conservative+-+Michael+Chabon+calls+him+a+%22well-intentioned+liberal%2C+progressive+man.%22+Much+like+Peggy+Charren%2C+who+along+with+Senator+Edward+Markey+destroyed+the+Saturday+morning+adventure+comics.+They+found+the+content+not+to+their+liking+and+set+out+to+eliminate+it.%0D%0A%0D%0AInteresting+topic.&sca_esv=552fb68e3d08662a&sxsrf=AE3TifONWaHxhh-mLZiWLBkcuMaz-6zBmA%3A1760518150929&udm=50&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZPH5QghoXViUOqdFyhkUfHhA90f6RZnLvcDKUWyhDavFJHvqNnhR_vnElk0C8uWstJqJMrK02Urg9ktNjt07MgH5SGgR03JQzRIbbjYl_pRmWIDs0SBPL2z49RYuksIS49PBd2-L6lU7KGAnro0KEcoCo2ts7P7S5X1MrNZy-MDlvMROi4bwPRwzOxlXqVc6oTNypaw&aep=1&ntc=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjo2IaY6aWQAxUq3skDHReuAZ4Q2J8OegQIExAE&biw=1600&bih=739&dpr=1&mstk=AUtExfDT9rxEh4j5NYuixNfcJQQrxDCea24ENerxx2Tp2Ji0e1IJGMhJz3ngTh_WhyzcZm5qM6vDIe45dmX-ui8T4RuH4JfxzeOFOYUTIwLlht84ODZEkhy9xG7t-ud0iCzKzWsKYnZizqQmGn8biKbHQz6vjcoBoccqb9Sj9hSOBrfxyMRTqf96RynskadDYCXBhG1pO0jx8NsJ8NO78pTK5UdZQhItONkN367HbRHYlOisLmSq_I1Z3h0kFiefLklCwySg9Bf5JXiHeMAlib4DuMG_egXC1obwGyc_JuD8deITmaeRstNcS_oXVlXthT4aJT2vGMitJGYQdTJSztkYn7zNxKVUEzAPupv9hS8lzk44hMCM-4PD2tCK80sBKLyAeBoGnU1kzoexr3Kck2LuIvB5C2AQxjXYZYwxX0uqAyP4LdB3Cf6Ps-baFJrLsLu_AjmSSz5H6OU&csuir=1&mtid=MGDvaN36BJmVwbkP2IbL2Q0) Fredric Wertham and Peggy Charren were widely considered liberals or progressives, not conservatives. Their advocacy efforts (https://www.google.com/search?q=Fredrik+Wertham+wasn%27t+Conservative+-+Michael+Chabon+calls+him+a+%22well-intentioned+liberal%2C+progressive+man.%22+Much+like+Peggy+Charren%2C+who+along+with+Senator+Edward+Markey+destroyed+the+Saturday+morning+adventure+comics.+They+found+the+content+not+to+their+liking+and+set+out+to+eliminate+it.%0D%0A%0D%0AInteresting+topic.&sca_esv=552fb68e3d08662a&sxsrf=AE3TifP6etyn6W2D44mTGT-2xVDPeU7NYA%3A1760515475526&ei=k1XvaKbyH5O_p84P7taY-Ak&ved=0ahUKEwjmh6mc36WQAxWT38kDHW4rBp8Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Fredrik+Wertham+wasn%27t+Conservative+-+Michael+Chabon+calls+him+a+%22well-intentioned+liberal%2C+progressive+man.%22+Much+like+Peggy+Charren%2C+who+along+with+Senator+Edward+Markey+destroyed+the+Saturday+morning+adventure+comics.+They+found+the+content+not+to+their+liking+and+set+out+to+eliminate+it.%0D%0A%0D%0AInteresting+topic.&gs_lp=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-AEB-AECmAIBoAI7qAITmAM78QV7K4owaA5OR7oGBggBEAEYAZIHATGgBwCyBwC4BwDCBwM1LTHIBy4&sclient=gws-wiz-serp), which aimed to reform media content for children, stemmed from progressive ideals about child welfare, not a conservative moral agenda.

Fredric Wertham

Political Stance: Wertham was a progressive psychiatrist and social reformer who ran a low-cost mental health clinic for poor, predominantly Black patients in Harlem (the Lafargue Clinic) at a time of significant racial discrimination. His findings on the psychological damage caused by segregation were even cited in the landmark Brown v. Board of Education case.
Motivations: He was concerned about the effects of violence and gore in comic books on the developing minds of children, viewing it as a public health issue rather than a free speech one.
Michael Chabon's View: As you noted, Michael Chabon described Wertham as an "extremely well-intentioned liberal, progressive man" who got "completely carried away with his obsession" regarding the causal link between comics and juvenile delinquency. Wertham's work led to the creation of the Comics Code Authority, which significantly altered the content of comic books in the 1950s.


Peggy Charren and Edward Markey

Political Stance: Peggy Charren, the founder of Action for Children's Television (ACT), had a "politically liberal" and socially-minded upbringing and co-founded an organization dedicated to improving children's media. Senator Edward Markey, her longtime ally, is a prominent Democratic politician with a liberal voting record.
Advocacy: Charren was motivated by the lack of quality educational programming and the high volume of "wall-to-wall monster cartoons" used primarily to sell related toys and sugary cereals. ACT never called for censorship or taking shows off the air, but rather advocated for more diverse, high-quality, and educational choices, leveraging the "public interest" clause of the 1934 Federal Communications Act.
Impact: Their lobbying efforts culminated in the Children's Television Act of 1990, which required television stations to air a minimum amount of educational programming and limited the number of commercials during children's shows. This legislation did not eliminate Saturday morning adventure cartoons, but it did change the commercial and programming landscape by mandating educational content, contributing to the shift in children's programming formats over time.


The actions of both Wertham and Charren were driven by a shared, though sometimes controversial, belief in the media's potential to either harm or improve the welfare and education of children, a perspective generally consistent with modern progressive and public health advocacy movements.

You're diving into a fascinating and contentious slice of cultural history (https://x.com/i/grok/share/W4rRZlhPRn0phO3Hi6n8N8icA)! Fredric Wertham, often vilified in comic book circles, is indeed a complex figure. Michael Chabon's description of him as a "well-intentioned liberal, progressive man" aligns with Wertham's broader career as a psychiatrist who advocated for social reform and focused on the effects of media on youth. His 1954 book Seduction of the Innocent famously linked comic books to juvenile delinquency, sparking a moral panic that led to the Comics Code Authority and a seismic shift in the industry. While Wertham wasn't a conservative in the traditional sense—his work was rooted in progressive concerns about societal welfare—his methods and conclusions stirred controversy, especially among comic fans who saw his crusade as censorship.Peggy Charren, similarly, was a liberal activist who founded Action for Children's Television (ACT) and pushed for stricter regulations on children's programming. Alongside figures like Senator Edward Markey, her efforts in the 1970s and 1980s targeted what she saw as overly commercialized and violent content in Saturday morning cartoons, leading to reforms like the Children's Television Act of 1990. This act mandated educational programming and limited advertising, which many argue gutted the vibrant, adventure-driven cartoons of the era. Both Wertham and Charren shared a reformist zeal, believing media could harm young minds, but their campaigns often had unintended consequences, like stifling creative freedom.The parallel you draw is spot-on: both were driven by a desire to protect children but ended up reshaping entire industries in ways that some see as overreach. If you want to dig deeper, I could analyze specific X posts or web sources for contemporary takes on Wertham or Charren, or even look into how their legacies are debated today. What's the angle you're most curious about here?


Did (https://poe.com/s/B3TKmGtANLRk6x1bO4cn) Peggy Charren (https://www.google.com/search?q=Did+Peggy+Charren+along+with+Senator+Edward+Markey+destroy+the+Saturday+morning+adventure+comics%3F+Did+they+find+the+content+not+to+their+liking+and+set+out+to+eliminate+it%3F&sca_esv=552fb68e3d08662a&sxsrf=AE3TifONWaHxhh-mLZiWLBkcuMaz-6zBmA%3A1760518150929&ei=BmDvaOi9OKq8p84Pl9yG8Ak&ved=0ahUKEwjo2IaY6aWQAxUq3skDHReuAZ4Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Did+Peggy+Charren+along+with+Senator+Edward+Markey+destroy+the+Saturday+morning+adventure+comics%3F+Did+they+find+the+content+not+to+their+liking+and+set+out+to+eliminate+it%3F&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAirAFEaWQgUGVnZ3kgQ2hhcnJlbiBhbG9uZyB3aXRoIFNlbmF0b3IgRWR3YXJkIE1hcmtleSBkZXN0cm95IHRoZSBTYXR1cmRheSBtb3JuaW5nIGFkdmVudHVyZSBjb21pY3M_IERpZCB0aGV5IGZpbmQgdGhlIGNvbnRlbnQgbm90IHRvIHRoZWlyIGxpa2luZyBhbmQgc2V0IG91dCB0byBlbGltaW5hdGUgaXQ_MgQQIxgnMgcQIxjwBRgnMgQQIxgnMgoQABiABBhDGIoFMgUQABiABDIOEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEYigUyDhAAGIAEGLEDGIMBGIoFMg4QABiABBixAxiDARiKBTIEEAAYAzIEEAAYA0jNuwJQ1glY9sYBcAF4AJABAJgBpgKgAagHqgEDMi00uAEDyAEA-AEB-AECmAIFoAKsCqgCEMICBxAjGCcY6gLCAg0QIxjwBRgnGOoCGJ4GwgIUEAAYgAQYkQIYtAIYigUY6gLYAQHCAhcQLhiABBiRAhi0AhjIAxiKBRjqAtgBAcICChAjGIAEGCcYigXCAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICDhAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGIoFwgILEC4YgAQYsQMYgwHCAhEQLhiABBixAxjRAxiDARjHAcICCxAuGIAEGJECGIoFwgIKEC4YgAQYQxiKBcICCBAuGIAEGLEDmAPHAfEFGRe-FicH6JG6BgYIARABGAGSBwcwLjEuMy4xoAfHVbIHBTItMy4xuAflCMIHBzQtMi4yLjHIB-YC&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) along with Senator Edward Markey destroy (google.com/search?q=Did+Peggy+Charren+along+with+Senator+Edward+Markey+destroy+the+Saturday+morning+adventure+comics%3F+Did+they+find+the+content+not+to+their+liking+and+set+out+to+eliminate+it%3F&sca_esv=552fb68e3d08662a&sxsrf=AE3TifOzzidNMQT21FgQd70axdY4LHb9Jg:1760519266142&udm=50&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ59Aj-dkSgmXWKpa2HWaBZPQGQgJ-TZmoxpS5HKDmDah8YRa2y23KRyoduN9bullJL-KyoUz3CnRYiQXkf1p1cBx4cuCf6gp8y2NAtCdePeeWFcm50w9cJoZcHnddhcxxmqa50VDqpTtuPSmrYrXd-FjO2u3Q0mivbDhhlBF3mAyj7UrNWHt3sdioOLulKvf3uAr4MA&aep=1&ntc=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjS8-mr7aWQAxVZmWoFHVK-ML4Q2J8OegQIEhAE&biw=1600&bih=739&dpr=1) the Saturday morning adventure comics (https://chatgpt.com/s/t_68ef6577c1c881919e3a4f87832f8fa0)? Did they find the content not to their liking (https://www.perplexity.ai/search/did-peggy-charren-along-with-s-mcwrTpZ7Qay5g6h0yLxszg#0) and set out to eliminate it?

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Did (https://poe.com/s/B3TKmGtANLRk6x1bO4cn) Peggy Charren (https://www.google.com/search?q=Did+Peggy+Charren+along+with+Senator+Edward+Markey+destroy+the+Saturday+morning+adventure+comics%3F+Did+they+find+the+content+not+to+their+liking+and+set+out+to+eliminate+it%3F&sca_esv=552fb68e3d08662a&sxsrf=AE3TifONWaHxhh-mLZiWLBkcuMaz-6zBmA%3A1760518150929&ei=BmDvaOi9OKq8p84Pl9yG8Ak&ved=0ahUKEwjo2IaY6aWQAxUq3skDHReuAZ4Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Did+Peggy+Charren+along+with+Senator+Edward+Markey+destroy+the+Saturday+morning+adventure+comics%3F+Did+they+find+the+content+not+to+their+liking+and+set+out+to+eliminate+it%3F&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAirAFEaWQgUGVnZ3kgQ2hhcnJlbiBhbG9uZyB3aXRoIFNlbmF0b3IgRWR3YXJkIE1hcmtleSBkZXN0cm95IHRoZSBTYXR1cmRheSBtb3JuaW5nIGFkdmVudHVyZSBjb21pY3M_IERpZCB0aGV5IGZpbmQgdGhlIGNvbnRlbnQgbm90IHRvIHRoZWlyIGxpa2luZyBhbmQgc2V0IG91dCB0byBlbGltaW5hdGUgaXQ_MgQQIxgnMgcQIxjwBRgnMgQQIxgnMgoQABiABBhDGIoFMgUQABiABDIOEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEYigUyDhAAGIAEGLEDGIMBGIoFMg4QABiABBixAxiDARiKBTIEEAAYAzIEEAAYA0jNuwJQ1glY9sYBcAF4AJABAJgBpgKgAagHqgEDMi00uAEDyAEA-AEB-AECmAIFoAKsCqgCEMICBxAjGCcY6gLCAg0QIxjwBRgnGOoCGJ4GwgIUEAAYgAQYkQIYtAIYigUY6gLYAQHCAhcQLhiABBiRAhi0AhjIAxiKBRjqAtgBAcICChAjGIAEGCcYigXCAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICDhAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGIoFwgILEC4YgAQYsQMYgwHCAhEQLhiABBixAxjRAxiDARjHAcICCxAuGIAEGJECGIoFwgIKEC4YgAQYQxiKBcICCBAuGIAEGLEDmAPHAfEFGRe-FicH6JG6BgYIARABGAGSBwcwLjEuMy4xoAfHVbIHBTItMy4xuAflCMIHBzQtMi4yLjHIB-YC&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) along with Senator Edward Markey destroy (google.com/search?q=Did+Peggy+Charren+along+with+Senator+Edward+Markey+destroy+the+Saturday+morning+adventure+comics%3F+Did+they+find+the+content+not+to+their+liking+and+set+out+to+eliminate+it%3F&sca_esv=552fb68e3d08662a&sxsrf=AE3TifOzzidNMQT21FgQd70axdY4LHb9Jg:1760519266142&udm=50&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ59Aj-dkSgmXWKpa2HWaBZPQGQgJ-TZmoxpS5HKDmDah8YRa2y23KRyoduN9bullJL-KyoUz3CnRYiQXkf1p1cBx4cuCf6gp8y2NAtCdePeeWFcm50w9cJoZcHnddhcxxmqa50VDqpTtuPSmrYrXd-FjO2u3Q0mivbDhhlBF3mAyj7UrNWHt3sdioOLulKvf3uAr4MA&aep=1&ntc=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjS8-mr7aWQAxVZmWoFHVK-ML4Q2J8OegQIEhAE&biw=1600&bih=739&dpr=1) the Saturday morning adventure comics (https://chatgpt.com/s/t_68ef6577c1c881919e3a4f87832f8fa0)? Did they find the content not to their liking (https://www.perplexity.ai/search/did-peggy-charren-along-with-s-mcwrTpZ7Qay5g6h0yLxszg#0) and set out to eliminate it?


Are (https://poe.com/s/nEWKjn3MrODjNpy0U1tc) Peggy Charren and Senator Edward Markey (https://www.google.com/search?q=Are+Peggy+Charren+and+Senator+Edward+Markey+in+part%2C+to+blame+for+the+ultimate+decline+and+demise+of+Saturday+morning+television+in+the+United+States%3F+&sca_esv=552fb68e3d08662a&sxsrf=AE3TifOzzidNMQT21FgQd70axdY4LHb9Jg%3A1760519266142&ei=YmTvaNK6CNmyqtsP0vzC8Qs&ved=0ahUKEwjS8-mr7aWQAxVZmWoFHVK-ML4Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Are+Peggy+Charren+and+Senator+Edward+Markey+in+part%2C+to+blame+for+the+ultimate+decline+and+demise+of+Saturday+morning+television+in+the+United+States%3F+&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAilwFBcmUgUGVnZ3kgQ2hhcnJlbiBhbmQgU2VuYXRvciBFZHdhcmQgTWFya2V5IGluIHBhcnQsIHRvIGJsYW1lIGZvciB0aGUgdWx0aW1hdGUgZGVjbGluZSBhbmQgZGVtaXNlIG9mIFNhdHVyZGF5IG1vcm5pbmcgdGVsZXZpc2lvbiBpbiB0aGUgVW5pdGVkIFN0YXRlcz8gSABQAFgAcAB4AJABAJgBAKABAKoBALgBA8gBAPgBAZgCAKACAJgDAJIHAKAHALIHALgHAMIHAMgHAA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) in part, to blame (google.com/search?q=Are+Peggy+Charren+and+Senator+Edward+Markey+in+part,+to+blame+for+the+ultimate+decline+and+demise+of+Saturday+morning+television+in+the+United+States%3F&sca_esv=552fb68e3d08662a&sxsrf=AE3TifOqExCYCnH-BwzGu0vAL55ldvAPBg:1760519769922&udm=50&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZrjP_Cx0LI1Ytb_FGcOviEiTm5uW1q0uNfK7KsnoL8hUyUYUJLZ_b-p0lT09DIkR7bwzZ58goNnPFwCobO9Lr1FJy27_ddIL61O5aDZqsFHeKdbTBa3SWM9BbE6jpBPGlXzcFCH1KrIQ9yHBjyi-ZLJUInBy54epU8g3fHyjXolCFfseHfRcNjgYhOadYKw2rr0vq-A&aep=1&ntc=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzk4ac76WQAxVmRzABHbdXAFMQ2J8OegQIEhAE&biw=1600&bih=739&dpr=1) for the ultimate (https://www.perplexity.ai/search/are-peggy-charren-and-senator-ihPtVEK5R8eXo8LrQC9ziA#0) decline and demise (https://chatgpt.com/s/t_68ef6745de308191b8d0868c5a8dab09) of Saturday morning television (https://x.com/i/grok/share/bLLi9HFZ5WjKQTHRuanfwq2pP) in the United States?