http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/juror-says-bill-cosby-already-paid-his-price/ar-BBD38C2?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Juror Says Bill Cosby 'Already Paid His Price'

One member of the hung jury in Bill Cosby's mistrial said Thursday that the chance of reaching a verdict was "hopeless" from the start and the marathon deliberations got so tense that men and women were crying by the end.


The panel was deeply divided — "up the middle" — as they tried to decide if the comedian was guilty of three counts of aggravated indecent assault for drugging and molesting Andrea Constand in 2004, the anonymous juror told NBC affiliate WPXI in an exclusive interview.

The juror declined to say how he voted, but called Cosby "very honest" and questioned Constand's actions, including a yearlong delay in reporting the alleged assault.


He also said it would be a "waste of money" to retry Cosby and thinks the star — who has been accused of sexual misconduct by 50-plus women over the last two years — has been punished enough.

"Whatever the man did, he has already paid his price, paid and suffered," the juror told WPXI. "He's looking bad. I was wondering if he was going to make it through the whole trial."

Among the juror's other disclosures:

When the jury first told the judge it was deadlocked on June 15, the votes on the three counts were 7-5, 5-7, and 5-6 with one abstention. Two days later, the vote on one of the counts was 10-2, but then several jurors changed their minds, making it a more even split again.

The jury got hung up on legal terms. They struggled over phrases like "reckless," "severely impaired," "unconscious," and "unreasonable" included in the three counts they had to decide. "We needed a dictionary," the juror said.

Behind closed doors, the group discussed rumors about the scandal not disclosed during the trial. The juror said he heard scuttlebutt that a judge reached out to Constand and reopened the case because the statute of limitations was about to expire.



Other jurors have declined to speak to NBC News. One alternate who was not part of any deliberations said he would have voted to convict Cosby, who denies Constand's allegations and the accusations of other women.

The judge released juror names Wednesday but warned them not to disclose any votes cast by fellow jurors or anything said or done in the jury room that would indicate another juror's opinion.

The jury, chosen in Pittsburgh and bused to the courthouse near Philadelphia, was sequestered throughout the 11-day trial. They deliberated in a 13-foot by 16-foot conference room for 12 hours at a stretch.

"It was hopeless, from the first time on," the juror said.

He said some jurors "zeroed in" on Constand's actions.

"When you ask for help on your resignation letter, which she did, and Mr. Cosby invites her to his home and she arrived in a bare midriff with incense and bath salts, that's a question," he said.

The comment appeared to conflate several different incidents: The night of the alleged assault, when Constand discussed her resignation with Cosby; an earlier visit in which she brought incense as a gift; and a later visit in which she said she delivered some bath salts as a favor to a friend.

The juror noted that it took Constand a year to report the alleged assault to police. Referring to testimony from an expert who said that's not unusual for sexual assault survivors, the juror said, "That's hard for me to believe."

The decision not to charge Cosby in 2005 also was a sticking point for the juror, who said he didn't understand why the investigation was reopened.

"I think they created this whole thing — a case that settled in '05 and we had to bring it up again in '17 with no new evidence," he said.

"I asked did they find some stained clothing or something? ... And they [other jurors] said no, it was this judge who opened this dang case."

It was actually the Montgomery County DA's office that decided to reopen the case. Prosecutors said their interest was renewed after a judge unsealed Cosby's damaging deposition in a 2006 civil suit that was filed by Constand and settled out of court.

Parts of that deposition were read to the jury, along with Cosby's statement to police about the encounter with Constand.

"You could believe from his testimony what he did, but not from hers," the juror said.

He said he thought Cosby's fame, but not his race, fueled the scandal that paved the way for the criminal case. "He testified these women pursued him," the juror said, apparently referencing parts of Cosby's deposition in which he discussed affairs with other women.

By the juror's account, the panel's votes did not split by race, gender or age. "There was a real mix," he said.

After five long days and nights, emotions boiled over, though he shot down a report that a male juror smashed his hand into a concrete wall in frustration.

"There were crying by men and women — and more than one," he said. "Tears came towards the end, it was so tense."

Cosby pleaded not guilty to sexually assaulting Constand and said the encounter was consensual. He has also denied accusations of misconduct by more than 50 other women and sued some of them for defamation.

In my opinion, the only thing Bill Cosby is guilty of is cheating on his wife and straying outside of his marriage. I don't believe he drugged and raped anybody, I believe these encounters he had with various women were consentual and the women were willing participants. Cosby used to tour around the country and complain about young african american males, he'd complain about how they dress and how they behave, so it makes me wonder if maybe his comments pissed somebody off and all of a sudden this smear campaign started to try and damage Cosby's career and reputation.

So is he not guilty?

So is he not guilty?
no, he just has not been convicted.

if you drug someone against their will - which he has admitted to - then the "sex" is anything but consensual. With the sheer number of women involved, some of which have corroborating witnesses - it is hard to imagine that all of them are just making everything up. Most of them have stated that he threatened to destroy their careers or sue them or scared them out of saying anything - how are they going to go to the police when they often can't even remember what happened and have no evidence? Who is going to believe them when they accuse a notable public figure of such atrocious acts? The women that he did pay off to keep quiet doesn't prove that he was guilty, but again the sheer number of these incidents begs the question - how can they all be lying?

He hasn't suffered from these accusations (everyone gets old - I'd wager he's a lot more comfortable than most his age and they certainly "dressed" him up to look pathetic to sway the jury) - he is laughing all the way home to his millions; and this latest money-grubbing idea for a "tour" to teach young people how to get away with sexual assault is insulting and just abhorrent.

In my opinion, the only thing Bill Cosby is guilty of is cheating on his wife and straying outside of his marriage. I don't believe he drugged and raped anybody, I believe these encounters he had with various women were consentual and the women were willing participants. Cosby used to tour around the country and complain about young african american males, he'd complain about how they dress and how they behave, so it makes me wonder if maybe his comments pissed somebody off and all of a sudden this smear campaign started to try and damage Cosby's career and reputation.
He's already admitted he drugged them.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cosby-juror-says-andrea-constand-should-have-%e2%80%98dressed-properly%e2%80%99/ar-BBD5C9C?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=iehp

Cosby juror says Andrea Constand should have ‘dressed properly’

The male juror who said Andrea Constand should have been "dressed properly" when she visited Bill Cosby's house got a dressing down by two of the comedian's other accusers Friday.


Accusers Linda Kirkpatrick and Lili Bernard attended Cosby's sexual assault trial in suburban Philadelphia this month and said they were deeply distressed by the juror's comments to the Philadelphia Enquirer.

"People ask, 'Why don't victims come forward sooner?' Well, it's because of comments like this. Because we know we'll be blamed," Kirkpatrick, 60, told the Daily News.

"This is the type of archaic thinking that says a wife can't be raped, a prostitute can't be raped, a stripper can't be raped,” she added. “They can be."

Bernard, 53, echoed those sentiments.

"I wasn't surprised by the hung jury, but I was flabbergasted by the ignorance spewing out of this man's mouth. It's just senseless," Bernard said.

"It's a reminder of how we need to educate society. We need to debunk these rape myths.”

In his interview with The Enquirer, the unidentified juror suggested Constand proved her interest in a romantic relationship with Cosby by wearing clothing that exposed some of her midriff during a visit to the actor's suburban Philadelphia mansion.

He also found fault with the incense and bath salts Constand brought to Cosby, proving he wasn't swayed by her testimony the bath salts were actually from a different friend and only delivered by Constand with the belief they were for Cosby's wife.

"Let's face it: She went up to his house with a bare midriff and incense and bath salts. What the heck?" the man told the newspaper.

He said Constand should have gone to Cosby's home only if she was "dressed properly and left the incense in the store."

The man said he found Cosby's words to police and during depositions more believable than Constand's account of what happened the night of her alleged assault in January 2004.

"He was extremely honest. He admitted to things," the juror said of Cosby.

The juror also viewed Constand's mother as the driving force behind her decision to report the incident to police a year after it occurred.

"It was her mother who forced all this," he told The Enquirer.

"'She should have reported it sooner,' and, 'Look what she was wearing,' says the man who's never been sexually assaulted before," Kirkpatrick said Friday. "This is rape culture, to blame the victim."

Cosby, 79, has pleaded not guilty to three counts of aggravated indecent assault.

He did not testify at his trial this month but claimed in a 2005 police report and civil depositions that his sexual contact with Constand was consensual.

Cosby claimed he gave Constand Benadryl pills that he described to her as "three friends." He admitted he never told her what the pills were.

Constand, 44, gave a much different account during seven hours of intense, often emotional, testimony during trial.

The former head of women's basketball operations at Cosby's alma mater, Temple University, said she considered the actor a mentor and father figure before she went to his Elkins Park mansion to discuss her future career plans.

She said he offered her three unidentified pills and assured her they were "herbal."

Shortly after swallowing the pills, she said her voice began to slur, her vision blurred and she lost her ability to resist.

She recalled feeling powerless as Cosby groped her breasts, penetrated her with his fingers and forced her to touch his penis.

"In my head, I was trying to get my hands to move or my legs to move but I was frozen," Constand told jurors in her first-ever public comments about the alleged assault.

Constand fought back tears as she described her surprise violation by the TV icon who was a respected trustee where she worked.

"I wasn't able to fight in any way," Constand testified. "I wanted it to stop."

Shortly after Montgomery County Judge Steven T. O'Neill accepted the jury's impasse and declared a mistrial last Saturday, prosecutors vowed to re-try the case with another full-blown trial.

Speaking to The Enquirer, the male juror said Cosby had already "paid dearly" in terms of damage to his reputation and should be left alone.



"That shows complete ignorance of how rape impacts the victim. It's a miscarriage of justice," Bernard said Friday.

"That trial was like a three-ring circus of rape culture. (Cosby's lawyer) Brian McMonagle was up there waxing poetic with his rape myths, and unfortunately, some of the jurors apparently bought it.”

Bernard, now an artist and mom living in Los Angeles, claims she was drugged and raped by Cosby in the early 1990s after he cast her on "The Cosby Show" as a pregnant patient of his character Dr. Cliff Huxtable.

Kirkpatrick stepped forward in early 2015 and said she met Cosby in 1981 when she played against him in a Las Vegas tennis tournament and got invited to the greenroom at his casino comedy show.

She said Cosby fed her a clear drink in a champagne glass that tasted so "terrible" she only finished half. Kirkpatrick said she blacked out for most of the show and woke up to find Cosby on top of her, kissing her forcefully.

The juror who spoke to The Enquirer said the panel of seven men and five women did not openly discuss the allegations of the 60 other women who have accused Cosby of some type of sexual misconduct. But he said he believed many of the other accusations were fabricated.

"This is ridiculous, unbelievable," he said. "I think more than half jumped on the bandwagon."

Bernard said she was "disgusted" by the man's comments.

"There is no perfect victim for him. He's going to find fault," she said.

"Clearly the holdout jurors confused the wholesomeness of the fictitious Dr. Huxtable with what Cosby really is — a depraved, cowardly, drugging, serial rapist."

He's already admitted he drugged them.

Just because he gave them drugs doesn't make it a crime. Maybe these women took the drugs willingly, maybe they wanted to get high and have a fling with Cosby. Now years later, they cry out and complain about it. :rolleyes: I am skeptical about this whole thing. Unless definite proof comes out supporting the claims against Cosby, as far as I'm concerned, not staying true to his marriage is all he's guilty of.

so it makes me wonder if maybe his comments pissed somebody off and all of a sudden this smear campaign started to try and damage Cosby's career and reputation.

Sounds like he may have drugged you

no, he just has not been convicted.

if you drug someone against their will - which he has admitted to - then the "sex" is anything but consensual. With the sheer number of women involved, some of which have corroborating witnesses - it is hard to imagine that all of them are just making everything up. Most of them have stated that he threatened to destroy their careers or sue them or scared them out of saying anything - how are they going to go to the police when they often can't even remember what happened and have no evidence? Who is going to believe them when they accuse a notable public figure of such atrocious acts? The women that he did pay off to keep quiet doesn't prove that he was guilty, but again the sheer number of these incidents begs the question - how can they all be lying?

He hasn't suffered from these accusations (everyone gets old - I'd wager he's a lot more comfortable than most his age and they certainly "dressed" him up to look pathetic to sway the jury) - he is laughing all the way home to his millions; and this latest money-grubbing idea for a "tour" to teach young people how to get away with sexual assault is insulting and just abhorrent.

Oh.

if you drug someone against their will - which he has admitted to - then the "sex" is anything but consensual. With the sheer number of women involved, some of which have corroborating witnesses - it is hard to imagine that all of them are just making everything up. Most of them have stated that he threatened to destroy their careers or sue them or scared them out of saying anything - how are they going to go to the police when they often can't even remember what happened and have no evidence? Who is going to believe them when they accuse a notable public figure of such atrocious acts? The women that he did pay off to keep quiet doesn't prove that he was guilty, but again the sheer number of these incidents begs the question - how can they all be lying?

He hasn't suffered from these accusations (everyone gets old - I'd wager he's a lot more comfortable than most his age and they certainly "dressed" him up to look pathetic to sway the jury) - he is laughing all the way home to his millions; and this latest money-grubbing idea for a "tour" to teach young people how to get away with sexual assault is insulting and just abhorrent.

If they aren't lying, then they have to provide the proof. Where's the proof? If Cosby is truly guilty of the accusations, it would be a shame because of his good guy/family man image people looked up to.

This tour Cosby is talking about is not to teach people how to get away with sexual assault. It's to teach people how to protect themselves from false accusations in this crazy society where the slightest thing like a brush against the shoulder can be twisted around and claimed as sexual assault. It's going to get to the point where people lock themselves up in their houses and not have anything to do with anybody.

Sounds like he may have drugged you

I don't do drugs and never have. Wouldn't surprise me though if your brain is completely fried due to excessive use of various drugs and substances. :crazy: :lol: :lol:

It's hard to convict a celebrity. People keep looking at them as their tv character and not for who they really are.

"When you ask for help on your resignation letter, which she did, and Mr. Cosby invites her to his home and she arrived in a bare midriff with incense and bath salts, that's a question," he said.

So she deserved it? Was "asking" for it? What a hideous attitude.

A woman could be walking buck naked down the street and she is still not "asking" to be raped.

For that matter, if a prostitute says "no" halfway through to a john, and he keeps going, that's rape, IMO.

NOBODY asks for rape. NOBODY WANTS to be violated, or deserves to be violated. Women should be able to wear whatever they want without fear that it's "giving a signal" to men.

Men are capable of thinking, of reasoning, and of controlling their urges. To think otherwise is to let them abrogate their social and moral responsibility.

This juror makes me sick.

This juror was biased from the beginning I suspect.

No compassion for Miss Constandt and the trauma she endured.

It's hard to convict a celebrity. People keep looking at them as their tv character and not for who they really are.

True that.

This juror was biased from the beginning I suspect.

No compassion for Miss Constandt and the trauma she endured.

:yeahthat

And the fact that the jury had more male than female.

:yeahthat

And the fact that the jury had more male than female.

Yes, that was just ridiculous! :mad:

"When you ask for help on your resignation letter, which she did, and Mr. Cosby invites her to his home and she arrived in a bare midriff with incense and bath salts, that's a question," he said.

So she deserved it? Was "asking" for it? What a hideous attitude.

A woman could be walking buck naked down the street and she is still not "asking" to be raped.

For that matter, if a prostitute says "no" halfway through to a john, and he keeps going, that's rape, IMO.

NOBODY asks for rape. NOBODY WANTS to be violated, or deserves to be violated. Women should be able to wear whatever they want without fear that it's "giving a signal" to men.

Men are capable of thinking, of reasoning, and of controlling their urges. To think otherwise is to let them abrogate their social and moral responsibility.

This juror makes me sick.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Yes, that was just ridiculous! :mad:

I was like, show me a guy who was sexually assaulted/raped! It may happen, but none of the male jurors had the experience of the trauma the victims had. It is ridiculous. I agree.

I was like, show me a guy who was sexually assaulted/raped! It may happen, but none of the male jurors had the experience of the trauma the victims had. It is ridiculous. I agree.


:wave:

Hopefully we get a more balanced jury the next time.

Just because he gave them drugs doesn't make it a crime.

Actually, yes it does. Illegal drugs, or prescription drugs.

In my opinion, the only thing Bill Cosby is guilty of is cheating on his wife and straying outside of his marriage. I don't believe he drugged and raped anybody, I believe these encounters he had with various women were consentual and the women were willing participants. Cosby used to tour around the country and complain about young african american males, he'd complain about how they dress and how they behave, so it makes me wonder if maybe his comments pissed somebody off and all of a sudden this smear campaign started to try and damage Cosby's career and reputation.

No.

He is facing these charges because he used his status and his power to prey upon these women, set himself up as a father figure who they could trust so he could drug them and take advantage of them when they couldn't fight back.

He had Jane Doe's willing to take him on many years ago with similar stories to support the plaintiff.

And now he is going on a lecture tour for the African American community like he is some kind of role model?

Ass. :mad:

Actually, yes it does. Illegal drugs, or prescription drugs.

Yes and by slipping them into their drinks secretly he damn well could have killed some of those women.

This is the same man who joked about Spanish Fly in his act like drugging women unconscious is some kind of hilarious thing to do.

He is a monster.

It's hard to convict a celebrity. People keep looking at them as their tv character and not for who they really are.

Do you know Mr. Cosby personally? Do you know who he "really" is? I doubt it.

I don't know him either but common sense tells me that Bill Cosby didn't have to force himself on anyone. He was a big star back in the day, famous, handsome looking and I imagine there were many women who were eager and willing to party and have a fling with him. Now they are crying, he drugged me!, he raped me! LOL what rubbish, I'm not buying any of it unless clear evidence is revealed to substantiate these outlandish claims.

Would be funny if Cosby turned the tables on Constandt and sue her for false accusation and defamation of character. And in my opinion, I don't know what Cosby was thinking whenever he had his rendezvouz with her. She's not an attractive woman, masculine looking, maybe she was better looking back when the encounter happened, I don't know.

Do you know Mr. Cosby personally? Do you know who he "really" is? I doubt it.

I don't know him either but common sense tells me that Bill Cosby didn't have to force himself on anyone. He was a big star back in the day, famous, handsome looking and I imagine there were many women who were eager and willing to party and have a fling with him. Now they are crying, he drugged me!, he raped me! LOL what rubbish, I'm not buying any of it unless clear evidence is revealed to substantiate these outlandish claims.

Would be funny if Cosby turned the tables on Constandt and sue her for false accusation and defamation of character. And in my opinion, I don't know what Cosby was thinking whenever he had his rendezvouz with her. She's not an attractive woman, masculine looking, maybe she was better looking back when the encounter happened, I don't know.
I'm beginning to wonder if you weren't on that jury. :ohno: You probably thought OJ was innocent too. The guy gets off on power. It has nothing to do with being able to have any woman he wants. Rapists don't care. He pretended he was a father figure to them and then he drugged them and rapped them. Yea there was a whole line of people just waiting to bury Bill Cosby. The guy was one of the most beloved people in America. Nobody was out to get him. Good Heavens.

Actually, yes it does. Illegal drugs, or prescription drugs.

Even if the women willingly accepted and willingly took the drugs?

handsome looking and I imagine there were many women who were eager and willing to party and have a fling with him. Now they are crying, he drugged me!, he raped me! LOL what rubbish,
Ted Bundy was also handsome.
:rolleyes: :crazy:

I'm beginning to wonder if you weren't on that jury. :ohno: You probably thought OJ was innocent too. The guy gets off on power. It has nothing to do with being able to have any woman he wants. Rapists don't care. He pretended he was a father figure to them and then he drugged them and rapped them. Yea there was a whole line of people just waiting to bury Bill Cosby. The guy was one of the most beloved people in America. Nobody was out to get him. Good Heavens.

Let the church say AMEN! :wave:

No.

He is facing these charges because he used his status and his power to prey upon these women, set himself up as a father figure who they could trust so he could drug them and take advantage of them when they couldn't fight back.

He had Jane Doe's willing to take him on many years ago with similar stories to support the plaintiff.

And now he is going on a lecture tour for the African American community like he is some kind of role model?

Ass. :mad:

It's possible you're right, I'm not saying Cosby is innocent but I'm giving him benefit of the doubt unless clear evidence comes out that backs up the accusations. If truth comes out that he's guilty and took advantage of women, I'd be just as mad about his behavior as everyone else is.

It's possible you're right, I'm not saying Cosby is innocent but I'm giving him benefit of the doubt unless clear evidence comes out that backs up the accusations. If truth comes out that he's guilty and took advantage of women, I'd be just as mad about his behavior as everyone else is.

Thanks for considering my point here. The new trial hopefully will settle these matters.

I'm beginning to wonder if you weren't on that jury. :ohno: You probably thought OJ was innocent too.

LOL, no I wasn't on the jury. And for the record, I think OJ got away with murder, he had some sharp shifty lawyers that freed him from the murder charge, Johnny Cochran was especially sharp and he played the jury like a fiddle.

Thanks for considering my point here. The new trial hopefully will settle these matters.

I try to consider both sides of the discussion. Cosby might be a philanderer, cheated on his wife and not respecting his marriage, but I find it hard to believe that he would force himself on women and take advantage of them. If there's another trial, will just have to wait and see how things turn out.

Even if the women willingly accepted and willingly took the drugs?

Yes that would make him a drug dealer. Still a felony no matter how you look at it he is a low life.

I try to consider both sides of the discussion. Cosby might be a philanderer, cheated on his wife and not respecting his marriage, but I find it hard to believe that he would force himself on women and take advantage of them. If there's another trial, will just have to wait and see how things turn out.

But you have no trouble whatsoever assuming that over 40 women, of widely varying ages and backgrounds, over a period of 50 years, most of whom seem to have NOTHING to gain from this besides shame and humiliation, would simply LIE about being raped?

IMO, something is walking and quacking like a duck...I doubt it's an aardvark.

I wonder why the women didn't say anything when it happened. I agree with the women but when a crime is committed they need to report for themselves and to make sure this doesn't happen to other women.
I mean when you have 40 to 50 women saying that Cosby drugged them, to me makes Cosby guilty. I mean 40 to 50 women lying is hard to believe.

I wonder why the women didn't say anything when it happened. I agree with the women but when a crime is committed they need to report for themselves and to make sure this doesn't happen to other women.
I mean when you have 40 to 50 women saying that Cosby drugged them, to me makes Cosby guilty. I mean 40 to 50 women lying is hard to believe.
Probably felt nobody would believe them. Cosby was a very powerful person back then especially in the 1980's. I mean the guy was an icon. He practically saved NBC.

I don't do drugs and never have.

I think it may be time to start. You need something to bring you back to reality. Psychiatrists are doing amazing things these days.

Probably felt nobody would believe them. Cosby was a very powerful person back then especially in the 1980's. I mean the guy was an icon. He practically saved NBC.

There's that, plus the psychology of being a rape victim. The humiliation and shame of stepping forward to make such an accusation, the feeling of being "dirty" and just wanting it all to go away, etc. It's takes a horrible toll on a human being, and for those of us who have never been a victim of this crime, it's easy to sit back and think "why didn't they do the logical thing?" The answer is "because the trauma that rape brings on is not logical".

I am not saying that everyone who is accused of rape is guilty of it. But so much of the armchair quarterbacking I see is obviously coming from people who have no experience with this.

"All in the Family" had not one, but TWO, great episodes about the victim's reaction to rape (attempted, in those cases).

Cosby set up an environment that would have made it difficult for women who were allegedly drugged and raped by him to come forward during the time that it happened. He had a reputation as a "family man" who could be trusted. What woman wouldn't trust this loving father/husband? So these women felt safe, were allegedly taken advantage of and were upset and confused and didn't know who to go to. Who would believe them? It was genius on Cosby's part.

All these years later with no evidence and just the word of many different victims, should that be enough to convict him? It was and has been enough for some. I always thought there was a possibility that all these allegations were lies, an attempt to ruin a successful man at a time when he was far from the peak of his success, just to ruin his reputation. But when he admitted that he drugged women, he swayed me onto the side of the victims. It's Bill Cosby's own words that condemn him. I don't know why he'd ever admit to drugging women except that maybe he was testing to see how far he could push the public that he could admit to doing something wrong and still have people defend him. And some still do defend him, but I don't think the numbers are on his side anymore.

I think it may be time to start. You need something to bring you back to reality. Psychiatrists are doing amazing things these days.

Nope I will never do drugs, don't need them but thanks for the expert suggestion.

Psychiatrists are doing amazing things? Really?? How do you know this? Did you have a problem that required psychiactric care?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844994/Law-Order-actress-details-Bill-Cosby-s-attempted-sexual-assault-working-Cosby-claims-did-drug-one-woman-set.html

Ted Bundy was also handsome.

There is no legitimate basis for comparing Ted Bundy to Bill Cosby. Bundy was a murderer and killed people. Cosby hasn't killed anybody.

There is no legitimate basis for comparing Ted Bundy to Bill Cosby. Bundy was a murderer and killed people. Cosby hasn't killed anybody.
Nope. Only drugged and raped them.

There is no legitimate basis for comparing Ted Bundy to Bill Cosby. Bundy was a murderer and killed people. Cosby hasn't killed anybody.

He just drugged and raped them.

Oh yeah, allegedly.

Nope. Only drugged and raped them.

Whoah, we just posted the same thing at the same time! :wave:

Nope. Only drugged and raped them.

Do you have proof of this? Provide the proof, otherwise your comment is meaningless and has no merit. A court has to determine if he's guilty and this has yet to happen. If you want to believe he's guilty, that's your choice. I choose to give him benefit of the doubt unless he's proven guilty.

He just drugged and raped them.

Oh yeah, allegedly.

That's right, allegedly is the word. Maybe he took advantage of women against their will, and maybe he didn't. I choose to believe he didn't unless definite proof is revealed to support the accusations.

There is no legitimate basis for comparing Ted Bundy to Bill Cosby. Bundy was a murderer and killed people. Cosby hasn't killed anybody.
Yeah, there is a legitimate reason that I mentioned Ted Bundy. YOU said that Cosby can't be guilty because he was "handsome." It is also a fact that Ted Bundy was handsome, and a hell of a lot more handsome than Cosby, but that didn't matter, because he was GUILTY and he was a MONSTER.

That's right, allegedly is the word. Maybe he took advantage of women against their will, and maybe he didn't. I choose to believe he didn't unless definite proof is revealed to support the accusations.
How about the fact that Cosby himself admitted that he drugged the women? :confused: :crazy:

How about the fact that Cosby himself admitted that he drugged the women?

Just because Cosby stated that he gave drugs to the women is not an admission of guilt. Maybe the women took the drugs willingly. Maybe they wanted to party and have a hot time with Cosby. That is a possible scenario. If Cosby slipped drugs to the women without their knowledge or consent, that would be a different story.

Just because Cosby stated that he gave drugs to the women is not an admission of guilt. Maybe the women took the drugs willingly. Maybe they wanted to party and have a hot time with Cosby. That is a possible scenario. If Cosby slipped drugs to the women without their knowledge or consent, that would be a different story.
You must not pay attention to facts, or you only hear what you want to hear. Cosby ADMITTED that he drugged the women's drinks without their knowledge. That alone is a crime. Do you understand that? :confused: :rolleyes: :crazy:

YOU said that Cosby can't be guilty because he was "handsome." It is also a fact that Ted Bundy was handsome, and a hell of a lot more handsome than Cosby, but that didn't matter, because he was GUILTY and he was a MONSTER.

Because I said Cosby was handsome has nothing to do if he's guilty or not. Cosby was famous back in the day and I imagine there are women who were willing to party and have a fling with him because they found him handsome and appealing.

Yes, that was just ridiculous! :mad:


So basically what you're saying is that all rape cases have to have all female juries so they can convict the man every time, guilty or not?

And I say this thinking Bill Cosby is guilty having known and worked with Bill Cosby during the Cosby show years and having seen none of this ever.

Cosby ADMITTED that he drugged the women's drinks without their knowledge.

Really? Then why did the trial that took place recently end with a deadlocked jury? Why hasn't Cosby been arrested? Why is he a free man? Even if Cosby did slip drugs to the women without their knowledge, I doubt he would admit to it. That would be dumb and Cosby isn't stupid. I don't believe you, you are a bull****ter. :lol: :crazy:

Really? Then why did the trial that took place recently end with a deadlocked jury? Why hasn't Cosby been arrested? Why is he a free man? Even if Cosby did slip drugs to the women without their knowledge, I doubt he would admit to it. That would be dumb and Cosby isn't stupid. I don't believe you, you are a bull****ter. :lol: :crazy:
Not only did he admit to it on Larry King Live years ago, but he admitted to it recently. Get your facts straight instead of cursing me out, dillweed.

So basically what you're saying is that all rape cases have to have all female juries so they can convict the man every time, guilty or not?

And I say this thinking Bill Cosby is guilty having known and worked with Bill Cosby during the Cosby show years and having seen none of this ever.

Uh, no that is NOT what I am saying. But there should be be a 50/50 split to make it fair.

Where did you get the ALL female juries thing from? Did I say that? :confused:

Not only did he admit to it on Larry King Live years ago, but he admitted to it recently. Get your facts straight instead of cursing me out, dillweed.
He admitted to giving women drugs but didn't admit to doing it without their knowledge. Get YOUR facts straight, and saying you're a bull****ter isn't cursing you out, tramp.

Typical New Yorker, brash, arrogant, disrespectful, big mouth and no brain. :lol:

He admitted to giving women drugs but didn't admit to doing it without their knowledge. Get YOUR facts straight, and saying you're a bull****ter isn't cursing you out, tramp.

Typical New Yorker, brash, arrogant, disrespectful, big mouth and no brain. :lol:
Thanks for calling me a "tramp." You are really classy and you have also been reported. :)

Thanks for calling me a "tramp." You are really classy and you have also been reported. :)

And you have been reported for calling me dillweed. :) :wave:

I've seen how you treat other people on these message boards. Why you are still allowed to post here is beyond me.

Can we please ALL be friendly here?

Agree to disagree without lapsing into name calling?
:wave: :wave:

And you have been reported for calling me dillweed. :) :wave:

I've seen how you treat other people on these message boards. Why you are still allowed to post here is beyond me.
"Dillweed" is a fake word that's not even a word. Tramp is a darogatory word against women in-particular. BTW, I've seen the way YOU attack certain posters on the politics board. One certain woman comes to mind. You asked her for a date when you didn't even have a car or a job. So keep it up, loser. Keep calling me names. You started this, not me.

"Dillweed" is a fake word that's not even a word. Tramp is a darogatory word against women in-particular. BTW, I've seen the way YOU attack certain posters on the politics board. One certain woman comes to mind. You asked her for a date when you didn't even have a car or a job. So keep it up, loser. Keep calling me names. You started this, not me.

Actually it is a spice that works great in tuna.

How about Mrs. Cosby?

What is everybody's take on her? (tries to change subject as she nervously types) ;)

Actually it is a spice that works great in tuna.

I like tarragon and a splash of lemon in my tuna! :)

I like tarragon and a splash of lemon in my tuna! :)

Mmmm and some pickle lily and a little dash of Old Bay occasionally. :)

Mmmm and some pickle lily and a little dash of Old Bay occasionally. :)
I never tried it with Old Bay, but I do have some. I think I might sprinkle a little on my tuna salad next time. Sounds interesting. Thanks for the tip! ;) :wave:

I do like pickles on the side and maybe some cole slaw.

I never tried it with Old Bay, but I do have some. I think I might sprinkle a little on my tuna salad next time. Sounds interesting. Thanks for the tip! ;) :wave:

I do like pickles on the side and maybe some cole slaw.

You're welcome.

Your suggestions make my mouth water. A little serving of cranberry sauce would go great with that meal. Oh, and some crushed parsley maybe mixed into the tuna?

Oh, and an icy cold glass of lemonaid with a sprig of mint!

You're welcome.

Your suggestions make my mouth water. A little serving of cranberry sauce would go great with that meal. Oh, and some crushed parsley maybe mixed into the tuna?

Oh, and an icy cold glass of lemonaid with a sprig of mint!
Lemonade with mint sounds delicious!

You might want to add some diced celery and onion into your tuna salad... sprinkle of the tarragon and that splash of lemon. Oh yeah, and a tablespoon of mayo. I like it on rye bread with some lettuce too.

Let's have lunch!:lol: :cool: :)

"Dillweed" is a fake word that's not even a word. Tramp is a darogatory word against women in-particular. BTW, I've seen the way YOU attack certain posters on the politics board. One certain woman comes to mind. You asked her for a date when you didn't even have a car or a job. So keep it up, loser. Keep calling me names. You started this, not me.

YOU started it, calling me dillweed, I don't care if it's a fake word or not, it's still an insult. You're the one who attacks other posters whenever their opinion doesn't match yours. I always try to get along here but I won't take crap from anyone either.

That certain woman? LOL, that is over and done with, she had her chance and I'm no longer interested anyway. Loser? Nope I'm doing just fine. I don't have a car because I prefer not to drive. I don't work because I can afford to stay home. Life is good.

Lemonade with mint sounds delicious!

You might want to add some diced celery and onion into your tuna salad... sprinkle of the tarragon and that splash of lemon. Oh yeah, and a tablespoon of mayo. I like it on rye bread with some lettuce too.

Let's have lunch!:lol: :cool: :)

Oh My Gosh!

I think we are having a food affair right about now!

Rye bread is EVERYTHING! Lettuce? Hell YES! :wave:

YOU started it, calling me dillweed, I don't care if it's a fake word or not, it's still an insult. You're the one who attacks other posters whenever their opinion doesn't match yours. I always try to get along here but I won't take crap from anyone either.

That certain woman? LOL, that is over and done with, she had her chance and I'm no longer interested anyway. Loser? Nope I'm doing just fine.

Lee, can we just laugh and have some fun here.

I am sure Wawwie didn't mean it the way it came off. :wave:

YOU started it, calling me dillweed,
No, you started it when you called me a "bull****ter." Get it straight, sweets. The "dillweed" remark came after. :)

I wonder what Elvin has to say about the mistrial. :confused:

Oh My Gosh!

I think we are having a food affair right about now!

Rye bread is EVERYTHING! Lettuce? Hell YES! :wave:
Definitely a food affair like Doug and Spence's lady friend! :lol:

Lemonade with mint OR club soda with mint and rum...like mojitos! YUMMY!!!

Plenty of tuna salad, cole slaw, pickles, lettuce and maybe some tomato on the side! I also won't forget your tip about Old Bay! :wave:

Definitely a food affair like Doug and Spence's lady friend! :lol:

Lemonade with mint OR club soda with mint and rum...like mojitos! YUMMY!!!

Plenty of tuna salad, cole slaw, pickles, lettuce and maybe some tomato on the side! I also won't forget your tip about Old Bay! :wave:

Yum, tomatoes! Thick and juicy. I don't drink alcohol but now I am tempted with the rum thing.

Can we think outside of the box and add a few currants in the tuna as well? Oh, and maybe some baby spinach?

Lee, can we just laugh and have some fun here.


Certainly. How's your mom these days? Give her my regards.

Yum, tomatoes! Thick and juicy. I don't drink alcohol but now I am tempted with the rum thing.

Can we think outside of the box and add a few currants in the tuna as well? Oh, and maybe some baby spinach?
Baby spinach sounds good and the currants also sound interesting. Yes, that would make it more gourmet. We'll have a nice fancy lunch outside. No crusts!!! We'll make them like finger sandwiches. Very elegant! :)

Certainly. How's your mom these days? Give her my regards.

Oh, that is so sweet.

She is hanging in there.

How is Daisy? :wave:

I wonder what Elvin has to say about the mistrial. :confused:
Elvin is p@@@@whipped, so he will go along with whatever Sandra says! :lol:

Baby spinach sounds good and the currants also sound interesting. Yes, that would make it more gourmet. We'll have a nice fancy lunch outside. No crusts!!! We'll make them like finger sandwiches. Very elegant! :)

Mmmmm... yes, and we will dress up in hats and gloves too. :wave:

Elvin is p@@@@whipped, so he will go along with whatever Sandra says! :lol:

Yeah, poor guy really had the testosterone beaten out of him. :lol:

Yeah, poor guy really had the testosterone beaten out of him. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sandra had him by the plums!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sandra had him by the plums!

Whipped like a blender! :D

Oh, that is so sweet.

She is hanging in there.

How is Daisy? :wave:

Daisy is doing OK, thanks for asking. She has become so protective though. She barks aggressively whenever anyone comes to the house. I had a friend from out of town visit me over Memorial Day weekend and she barked at him much of the time while he was here.

Daisy is doing OK, thanks for asking. She has become so protective though. She barks aggressively whenever anyone comes to the house. I had a friend from out of town visit me over Memorial Day weekend and she barked at him much of the time while he was here.

Oh, well she sounds like a devoted dog. Maybe a vet can suggest some kind of thing to calm her down. :wave:

Goodnight to whoever is still up. :wave:

Oh, well she sounds like a devoted dog. Maybe a vet can suggest some kind of thing to calm her down. :wave:

Maybe I should give her a tranquilizer so she will sleep whenever company comes around. :lol: Seriously, no I wouldn't do that. She's a good dog, very devoted to me that's for sure.

No, you started it when you called me a "bull****ter." Get it straight, sweets. The "dillweed" remark came after. :)

I was trying to be funny and I don't consider bull****ter as name calling, but I guess I could have used a different choice of word. :wave:

I'm glad everybody is getting along now. It's really not worth fighting over. Nothing we can do. lol

I'm glad everybody is getting along now. It's really not worth fighting over. Nothing we can do. lol

Absolutely my new pal, Sonny. Hope you had a fabulous birthday!

I think we can all pretty much agree that guilty or not guilty, Bill Cosby was and is not the role model he portrayed and continues to portray himself to be.

Anybody who cheats on his wife and has drugs on hand that he uses on a revolving door of young women that he uses like they are just objects for his lust is just disgusting.

But I am glad we all could laugh a little last night. It was fun to turn the car around and just be silly with each other even in the context of this horrible situation. :wave:

Maybe I should give her a tranquilizer so she will sleep whenever company comes around. :lol: Seriously, no I wouldn't do that. She's a good dog, very devoted to me that's for sure.

I just meant some special vitamins or maybe some training.

At any rate, I know you love her and she loves you, Lee. :wave:

I was trying to be funny and I don't consider bull****ter as name calling, but I guess I could have used a different choice of word. :wave:

Yes, we need to be careful about what we say, I know sometimes I can get a bit heated but we can make our points without being hurtful to others.

I am feeling so "Kumbaya" lately. :lol:

Late to the party here but a couple of things.

Lee, I wish your dog all the best.
Anna, I wish your mom all the best.

And I like tuna fish with oil and vinegar or Mayo. If it's Italian tuna, then I like it plain.

Late to the party here but a couple of things.

Lee, I wish your dog all the best.
Anna, I wish your mom all the best.

And I like tuna fish with oil and vinegar or Mayo. If it's Italian tuna, then I like it plain.

This post just made me :) .She is sitting on the couch right now snacking on some peanut butter cookies and washing them down with almond milk.

I will add that I favor Duke's as my "go to" mayo. But a little vinegar makes every sandwich better.

Have you tried a dash of curry?

Uh, no that is NOT what I am saying. But there should be be a 50/50 split to make it fair.

Where did you get the ALL female juries thing from? Did I say that? :confused:


You said that it was "ridiculous" that there were more men on the jury than women. With an :mad: as emphasis. That's where I got the idea from.

You can't even out juries based on race, sex, etc. It's against the law. How can anyone not know this?

You said that it was "ridiculous" that there were more men on the jury than women. With an :mad: as emphasis. That's where I got the idea from.

You can't even out juries based on race, sex, etc. It's against the law. How can anyone not know this?

How do you like your tuna, Babalu? :wave:

You're welcome.

Your suggestions make my mouth water. A little serving of cranberry sauce would go great with that meal. Oh, and some crushed parsley maybe mixed into the tuna?

Oh, and an icy cold glass of lemonaid with a sprig of mint!
cranberry sauce? - now them's fightin' words.

I don't like it when things get heated - particularly hot tuna; I mean, tuna salad on toast is OK, but my wife made tuna casserole one night and it was disturbingly unpleasant.

You said that it was "ridiculous" that there were more men on the jury than women. With an :mad: as emphasis. That's where I got the idea from.

You can't even out juries based on race, sex, etc. It's against the law. How can anyone not know this?
out of curiosity, what does that specific state's laws say about juror bias and prior prejudice to the extent of refusing to consider evidence and participate in meaningful deliberation?


I have seen people defend Cosby with statements such as "he CAN'T be guilty - he's FAMOUS"

cranberry sauce? - now them's fightin' words.

I don't like it when things get heated - particularly hot tuna; I mean, tuna salad on toast is OK, but my wife made tuna casserole one night and it was disturbingly unpleasant.

My mom made tuna casserole all the time for us kids. Yum, Yum, Yum!

Not a fan of cranberry sauce? I could eat it with everything. :D :wave:

My mom made tuna casserole all the time for us kids. Yum, Yum, Yum!

Not a fan of cranberry sauce? I could eat it with everything. :D :wave:
I love tuna casserole, too. I add diced celery and onions. I also put cream of celery soup, al dente noodles and top it off with french fried onions before I bake it at 350 degrees for 25 minutes.

I love tuna casserole, too. I add diced celery and onions. I also put cream of celery soup, al dente noodles and top it off with french fried onions before I bake it at 350 degrees for 25 minutes.

That was my mom's recipe from the back of the Campbell's soup can circa 1983!

Yummers! :wave:

That was my mom's recipe from the back of the Campbell's soup can circa 1983!

Yummers! :wave:
Yep, it's an old school recipe that I still make today. Sometimes, I put broccoli in leiu of the celery. :wave:

Yep, it's an old school recipe that I still make today. Sometimes, I put broccoli in leiu of the celery. :wave:

Broccoli is an excellent swap.

Oh yeah, have we forgotten about Mrs. Dash adding that tangy zest?

Broccoli is an excellent swap.

Oh yeah, have we forgotten about Mrs. Dash adding that tangy zest?
I never tried it with Mrs. Dash. My ex-husband liked it with peas and carrots which is okay, but my personal favorite is celery and onions. He also liked cheese in the tuna casserole which I don't really care for. I just like albacore tuna, celery, onions, al dente noodles, cream of celery soup and a topping of FF onions heated at 350 for 25 minutes. That's my recipe.

Somebody here mentioned tuna salad with oil and vinegar. That is good as a cold recipe with tri color pasta and some red roasted peppers, also some sliced black olives... and maybe a little basil, garlic salt and oregeno. YUM! A perfect Mediterranean cold tuna salad! :**

I don't i have ever had Curry. But I like Hellman's Mayo.

I never tried it with Mrs. Dash. My ex-husband liked it with peas and carrots which is okay, but my personal favorite is celery and onions. He also liked cheese in the tuna casserole which I don't really care for. I just like albacore tuna, celery, onions, al dente noodles, cream of celery soup and a topping of FF onions heated at 350 for 25 minutes. That's my recipe.

Somebody here mentioned tuna salad with oil and vinegar. That is good as a cold recipe with tri color pasta and some red roasted peppers, also some sliced black olives... and maybe a little basil, garlic salt and oregeno. YUM! A perfect Mediterranean cold tuna salad! :**

Oh, albacore is a must! I can lose the olives but cheddar cheese on the casserole would make it sing like Pavarotti for me. :wave: The FF onions are the piece de resistance for me. Same with the roasted red peppers in the cold salad. How about some sliced grapes or pimentos?

I don't i have ever had Curry. But I like Hellman's Mayo.

Bring out the Hellmann's then!

One thing I can't stand is low fat mayo.

Yuck!

I don't i have ever had Curry. But I like Hellman's Mayo.
Hellman's mayo is pretty good, but now I only use the organic "nature's promise" mayo. You might want to try it.

Oh, albacore is a must! I can lose the olives but cheddar cheese on the casserole would make it sing like Pavarotti for me. :wave: The FF onions are the piece de resistance for me. Same with the roasted red peppers in the cold salad. How about some sliced grapes or pimentos?
OOOHHHHH. .... the sliced grapes and pimentos sound amazing! You have been giving me wonderful ideas!!! :) :wave:

OOOHHHHH. .... the sliced grapes and pimentos sound amazing! You have been giving me wonderful ideas!!! :) :wave:

Thanks.

I love swapping the food ideas with you.

What is you favorite tuna brand? Costco's Kirkland brand is like HEAVEN! So bitey! :wave:

Thanks.

I love swapping the food ideas with you.

What is you favorite tuna brand? Costco's Kirkland brand is like HEAVEN! So bitey! :wave:
I also like the Costco, but you might want to try the Wild Selections solid white albacore. Maybe you already tried it. It's really good and great in recipes.

I also like the Costco, but you might want to try the Wild Selections solid white albacore. Maybe you already tried it. It's really good and great in recipes.

I will give that a try, thanks! :wave:

I just meant some special vitamins or maybe some training.

At any rate, I know you love her and she loves you, Lee. :wave:

I might consider some training because she needs to stop barking like a maniac whenever someone comes to the house. She probably thinks this is her domain here and wants to protect her territory.

Yes I've formed quite a bond with Daisy dog. I'm a single guy so the dog gives me a purpose in life, something to look after and take care of.

I think we can all pretty much agree that guilty or not guilty, Bill Cosby was and is not the role model he portrayed and continues to portray himself to be.

Anybody who cheats on his wife and has drugs on hand that he uses on a revolving door of young women that he uses like they are just objects for his lust is just disgusting.

This is true. I imagine his role model image has been damaged beyond repair.

I might consider some training because she needs to stop barking like a maniac whenever someone comes to the house. She probably thinks this is her domain here and wants to protect her territory.

Yes I've formed quite a bond with Daisy dog. I'm a single guy so the dog gives me a purpose in life, something to look after and take care of.

I know how you feel about having somebody to look after. It gets you out of bed in the morning and motivates you. :)

This is true. I imagine his role model image has been damaged beyond repair.

Biggest fall from grace that I can think of offhand.

Biggest fall from grace that I can think of offhand.
Other than OJ maybe. I mean I was a big Bill Cosby fan. I liked I Spy, Fat Albert and The Cosby Show. I even liked his CBS show Cosby. I grew up with the guy. He's a big letdown. I wish it wasn't true.

Other than OJ maybe. I mean I was a big Bill Cosby fan. I liked I Spy, Fat Albert and The Cosby Show. I even liked his CBS show Cosby. I grew up with the guy. He's a big letdown. I wish it wasn't true.

Yes, I thought of O.J. but Cosby had an even greater cultural appeal. Put himself up as some paragon of fatherhood, went on the lecture circuit and told young men to "pull your pants up" whilst repeatledly violating women under the influence.

But OJ is where he should be now and hopefully a jail cell is still waiting for Mr. Cosby in the near future.

One of my sister's took me to see Bill Cosby Live for my High School graduation, what was once a cherished memory, is now ruined.

One of my sister's took me to see Bill Cosby Live for my High School graduation, what was once a cherished memory, is now ruined.
Nothing could ever make me watch "The Cosby Show" now. Back in the 80s, I did enjoy the show most of the time, but now, it just makes me sick.

He ruined our childhood memories but I would be curious to see the show again to see if I would get a knot in my stomach whilst watching it.

He ruined our childhood memories but I would be curious to see the show again to see if I would get a knot in my stomach whilst watching it.
You would, because it is total hypocrisy,

You would, because it is total hypocrisy,

If they could only digitize him out of the episodes and put somebody else in as Cliff.

Bill's Special Barbecue Sauce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBDRwiSZSBg

I honestly am sorry for the folks who enjoyed his TV show. As Sonny and Torgo have said, it really is sad when a childhood idol falls. But how could anyone watch the show with moments like this and not feel very uncomfortable?

I still watch the Cosby Show sometimes on Bounce or on my DVDs regardless of what Bill Cosby has done. I still enjoy the show and can separate Cliff Huxtable from Bill Cosby.

I mean I was a big Bill Cosby fan. I liked I Spy, Fat Albert and The Cosby Show. I even liked his CBS show Cosby. I grew up with the guy. He's a big letdown. I wish it wasn't true.

Exactly the way I feel. I loved him growing up even the Jello commercials are etched in my mind. I started watching Cosby a few years back in reruns and loved it. Now I cant look at him he is disgusting.

I still watch the Cosby Show sometimes on Bounce or on my DVDs regardless of what Bill Cosby has done. I still enjoy the show and can separate Cliff Huxtable from Bill Cosby.
I've watch some I Spy but it isn't the same. All I can think of is did Robert Culp or Sheldon Leonard know what Cosby was doing? I'm sure they didn't but that's what goes through my mind.

I still have a DVD of season 1 of his original 1969 Bill Cosby Show. I haven't watched it since all of this came out. I remember when I got it. It was one of the sitcoms I had never seen and I blind bought it. :ohno:

I still watch the Cosby Show sometimes on Bounce or on my DVDs regardless of what Bill Cosby has done. I still enjoy the show and can separate Cliff Huxtable from Bill Cosby.

Even though I'm not a fan of The Cosby Show, I can still watch it from time to time. I just remember that the character is separate from the actor portraying him/her.

I still watch the show but I always think about what he did. It's different now watching it.

Btw, Bumble Bee tuna, usually any kind for me.

If Cosby gets convicted... well there's a different between a show star who was acquitted and a convicted rapist and drug plier

If Cosby gets convicted... well there's a different between a show star who was acquitted and a convicted rapist and drug plier

O.J. was acquitted of double murder, and his reputation was still destroyed beyond repair, for most people. What a jury decides really isn't as important as what the general public believes, in terms of someone's reputation.

I still watch the show but I always think about what he did. It's different now watching it.

Btw, Bumble Bee tuna, usually any kind for me.

My mom likes that kind too. :wave:

How do you like your tuna, Babalu? :wave:


I hate tuna so much I tell people I am allergic to it.

No kidding.

out of curiosity, what does that specific state's laws say about juror bias and prior prejudice to the extent of refusing to consider evidence and participate in meaningful deliberation?


I have seen people defend Cosby with statements such as "he CAN'T be guilty - he's FAMOUS"

Jurors can be removed from juries for failure to deliberate. It doesn't happen very often but if other jurors complain to the judge then it is possible. In that case an alternate can be brought into replace a juror or in rarer cases the trial may continue with one fewer juror. It can also result in a mistrial.

I know I'm late to the party, but re Cosby: if it walks like a duck, has a yellow beak, likes to swim in water, has webbed feet and goes quack quack it's VERY LIKELY a duck. The preponderance of facts point to guilt.

Re tuna, I like it but don't love it. But once every few months I really get a MAD tuna fish attack. Lots of mayo and celery-a little bit of sweet pickle relish can be nice. On rye bread is lovely and lettuce and tomato are a must.
Re tuna casserole, with or w/o cheese. But tuna casserole is a very rare indulgence, noodles are bad for me.

I hate tuna so much I tell people I am allergic to it.

No kidding.

That sounds kind of shellfish of you.

Just kidding. ;)

I know I'm late to the party, but re Cosby: if it walks like a duck, has a yellow beak, likes to swim in water, has webbed feet and goes quack quack it's VERY LIKELY a duck. The preponderance of facts point to guilt.

Re tuna, I like it but don't love it. But once every few months I really get a MAD tuna fish attack. Lots of mayo and celery-a little bit of sweet pickle relish can be nice. On rye bread is lovely and lettuce and tomato are a must.
Re tuna casserole, with or w/o cheese. But tuna casserole is a very rare indulgence, noodles are bad for me.

Are you a tuna snob like me? I can only eat albacore. The other kind tastes like cat food to me. :wave:

I've known men like that "no smoking gun" juror. They use all sorts of justifications for their horrible treatment of women.

Remember the Natalie Henderson murder in the US state of Georgia last year? The killer forced her to strip naked and as a final insult after killing her, he posed her nude corpse in a sexually suggestive position.

The killer was mentally ill, and much was made of that, but... you don't have to be mentally ill to hate women.

That sounds kind of shellfish of you.

Just kidding. ;)


If it will make you feel any better, I love crustaceans but don't like mollusks (except for scallops). :lol:

If it will make you feel any better, I love crustaceans but don't like mollusks (except for scallops). :lol:

Your reply made me feel less crabby.
;) :wave: :lol:

Your reply made me feel less crabby.
;) :wave: :lol:


At least you don't feel Buster Crabbe. :lol:

At least you don't feel Buster Crabbe. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You got that right, Buster! :wave:

Are you a tuna snob like me? I can only eat albacore. The other kind tastes like cat food to me. :wave:


Me too!!! Only solid white albacore tuna. ;) That dark stuff that smells real fishy is gross!! :p I only like mayo and celery in mine, maybe a little onion!;)

I do love Subway tuna sandwiches!! They are great !:happyface I like the flat bread, and I get spinach, lettuce, tomato, extra mayo and onions .Sometimes pickles if U'm in a pickle type mood!!:D

Me too!!! Only solid white albacore tuna. ;) That dark stuff that smells real fishy is gross!! :p I only like mayo and celery in mine, maybe a little onion!;)

I do love Subway tuna sandwiches!! They are great !:happyface I like the flat bread, and I get spinach, lettuce, tomato, extra mayo and onions .Sometimes pickles if U'm in a pickle type mood!!:D

I love Subway too and Jared the Perv can't take that love away from me.

I like Italian Herbs and Cheese as my bread choice and prefer the chicken and provolone cheese sub and try to get as many tomato slices that I can out of them.

I like Subway. I usually get chicken teriyaki, Buffalo chicken. I don't get Salmai, provolone, tuna, etc. Basically, I don't get cold cuts because I can make a cold cut sandwich on my own. I go to Subway to try different things, if that makes sense.

I like Subway. I usually get chicken teriyaki, Buffalo chicken. I don't get Salmai, provolone, tuna, etc. Basically, I don't get cold cuts because I can make a cold cut sandwich on my own. I go to Subway to try different things, if that makes sense.

It does.

I also enjoy their cookies especially when they are fresh. :)

The basic question is:

Why do many boys and men treat women so badly?

Cosby isn't a "freak", he isn't an "outlier", there are plenty of men like him.

The basic question is:

Why do many boys and men treat women so badly?

Cosby isn't a "freak", he isn't an "outlier", there are plenty of men like him.

He may not be a "freak" but he is a scumbag, there may be plenty of men like him as you say, but scumbag is a scumbag.

I'll say it like this, he's a celebrity to us, but to the law he's just another criminal.

Paul, I don't mean to pick a fight with you but I just have to say this. When men like you, who presumably don't treat women badly, take a "shrug the shoulders think oh well" attitude toward deviant male behavior, you are passively supporting it.

May I respectfully suggest that you join the ranks of civilized men who are now vocal and supportive of a woman's right to be treated like a human being, instead of maintaining a "boys will be boys" mindset, and saying nothing? :thanks: