I had got to thinking about this last night, and was wondering if we could come up with a list of spouses and/or family members who were accused of being involved with the death or disappearance of someone, and in some cases they remain the only suspect, but charges have never been brought. I don't want to include spouses/family members who were cleared by investigators (like Jeff Oberholtzer), and also didn't want to include spouses/family members who have disappeared and there is a possibility that they too met with foul play (Dub Wackerhagen). I'd also like to restrict the list to only people who were involved with either an obvious crime, or where due to the passage of time (Christi Nichols, Dottie Caylor) a disappearance is all but definitely foul play. A case like Kurt Sova or Natasha Jennings would not be applicable.

I was also curious what everyone's feelings were regarding guilt or innocence of the people on this list.

-Leonard Rizzo
-Judy Groezinger
-Mark Nichols
-Stephen Marfeo
-Don Sherman
-Jule Caylor
-Steve Page
-Rob Page
-Paul Pollis
-Alfredo Newball
-Astarte Davis
-Jim Harrison
-The Aisenbergs
-Wayne Hecker
-Robert Cox (Patsy Wright's ex-husband)
-Wilda Loseff
-Al Henderson
-Steve Bechtel
-Stephen Geri
-Mike Morris

Can anyone think of more?

-Leonard Rizzo - Probably guilty, but I've never been 100% on it. I've had my suspicions on the son before too

-Judy Groezinger - I think she's definitely guilty but didn't do it herself

-Mark Nichols - Guilty as sin. One thing that struck me re-watching this one on Amazon that I'd never realized before is that Christy obviously never came home from their night out. I don't know why I'd never interpretted the babysitter's words to mean that before.

-Stephen Marfeo - Guilty as sin.

-Don Sherman - This guy was Paul Pollis smug. Guilty and gutsy enough to put her skull outside his favorite haunt

-Jule Caylor - I've always held out hope that she really did run away. It's not unheard of if he was abusive, but Jule is such a dick.

-Steve Page - I'm like 99% sure he's guilty. There's a really small chance that he's not, but he was really arrogant during the segment.

-Rob Page - Guilty, but I think it might have been more the tragic accident type death. Like she fell and hit her head during a heated argument and he covered it up rather than the more calm, collected murder I think Paul Pollis is guilty of.

-Paul Pollis - See my comments on Don Sherman and Rob Page. Or, maybe he's just OCD about the state of his house.

-Alfredo Newball - Innocent. I think his family fell prey to a crazy woman stalking him. I believe he loved his wife and child.

-The Aisenbergs - Probably guilty, people breaking into houses and stealing children seems more like an urban legend than a real thing IMO.

-Robert Cox (Patsy Wright's ex-husband) - I just don't see who else could have done it. I think too much was made of the two dinner plates in her room the night she died. The cough medicine could have been poisoned for days in advance. They said she took it when she had trouble sleeping, not every night.

-Wilda Loseff - Guilty

The ones I didn't comment on, I don't remember. I'll come back to them later after I can read/watch them.

-Leonard Rizzo - Probably guilty, but I've never been 100% on it. I've had my suspicions on the son before too

-Judy Groezinger - I think she's definitely guilty but didn't do it herself

-Mark Nichols - Guilty as sin. One thing that struck me re-watching this one on Amazon that I'd never realized before is that Christy obviously never came home from their night out. I don't know why I'd never interpretted the babysitter's words to mean that before.

-Stephen Marfeo - Guilty as sin.

-Don Sherman - This guy was Paul Pollis smug. Guilty and gutsy enough to put her skull outside his favorite haunt

-Jule Caylor - I've always held out hope that she really did run away. It's not unheard of if he was abusive, but Jule is such a dick.

-Steve Page - I'm like 99% sure he's guilty. There's a really small chance that he's not, but he was really arrogant during the segment.

-Rob Page - Guilty, but I think it might have been more the tragic accident type death. Like she fell and hit her head during a heated argument and he covered it up rather than the more calm, collected murder I think Paul Pollis is guilty of.

-Paul Pollis - See my comments on Don Sherman and Rob Page. Or, maybe he's just OCD about the state of his house.

-Alfredo Newball - Innocent. I think his family fell prey to a crazy woman stalking him. I believe he loved his wife and child.

-The Aisenbergs - Probably guilty, people breaking into houses and stealing children seems more like an urban legend than a real thing IMO.

-Robert Cox (Patsy Wright's ex-husband) - I just don't see who else could have done it. I think too much was made of the two dinner plates in her room the night she died. The cough medicine could have been poisoned for days in advance. They said she took it when she had trouble sleeping, not every night.

-Wilda Loseff - Guilty

The ones I didn't comment on, I don't remember. I'll come back to them later after I can read/watch them.

Very solid post, asmitty. There is little, if anything, I would change. I agree with your thoughts almost 100%.

I'd also add Al Henderson (guilty) and Steve Bechtel (innocent).

Of the listed spouses, I'm inclined to think Alfredo Newball and Wayne Hecker are innocent. I'm on the fence on the Aisenbergs and Robert Cox.

I used to think Don Sherman was guilty, but the more I think about, it just makes no logical sense for him to have dug up his wife's skull, so I've started wondering if someone else might have been responsible. I also used to be so certain Paul Pollis was guilty as sin, but there's been a lot of interesting analysis on this board which make me think this case might not be as black-and-white as it appears, so I'm not sure what to believe about him any more.

I have little doubt, however, that all the others on the list are guilty.

Oh yeah, Leonard Rizzo is 1000% guilty. People seen Monika with bruises on her face, and acting standoffish. Leonard was convicted of beating his girlfriend after Monika. He killed her in an abusive rage, and buried her in the backyard.

Nice add with Steve Bechtel, Robin!

I used to think he was shady. I don't anymore. I'm sure it helped that Lisa Kimmel's mom mentioned on here that they thought Amy fell victim to Dale Eaton.... :D

Wayne Hecker is the only one I would remove from the list. He had absolutely no motive whatsoever to kill Tara. They weren't married, didn't have kids, there was no life insurance and they owned no property together. In fact, she was the main breadwinner in their relationship and her disappearing could only have negatively effected his life in every thinkable facet. Also, for the 20+ years prior to Tara's disappearance and the 20+ years after her disappearance, Wayne never got in any trouble with the law. I just don't see why he would have killed her when he had no reason to do so. It was sad to see that he passed away in 2015 after more than a five year battle with cancer. Those last photos of him are heartbreaking to look at.

- Leonard Rizzo - 100% guilty. 100% an idiot. 100% Lucky. Who the hell kills their spouse, uses a woodchipper in their backyard and gets away with it?? Leonard Rizzo, that's who.

- Judy Groezinger - Most definitely guilty. I do not think she actually killed Mark, but was either present or helped to plan it.

- Mark Nichols - Absolutely guilty. People want to talk about Tim McClure being a bumbling idiot. Have they ever seen Mark Nichols interview??

- Stephen Marfeo - Guilty and dead. Next.

- Jule Caylor - Guilty. Way too many factors that point toward his guilt and not coincidence.

- Steve Page - Guilty.

- Rob Page - Guilty.

- Paul Pollis - Definitely guilty, but likely had some type of help after the fact. Probably from his parents as mentioned in the segment.

- Wayne Hecker - Guilty. No one else had a motive to kill Tara.

- Steve Bechtel - Innocent.

- Al Henderson - Guilty. I used to go back and forth on this one, but the fact that he claims to have done things at certain times when video footage show he was not doing them, says a lot. I cant figure out why he killed her though.


The ones that I did not comment on are because I do not remember the cases very well.

Wayne Hecker is the only one I would remove from the list. He had absolutely no motive whatsoever to kill Tara. They weren't married, didn't have kids, there was no life insurance and they owned no property together. In fact, she was the main breadwinner in their relationship and her disappearing could only have negatively effected his life in every thinkable facet. Also, for the 20+ years prior to Tara's disappearance and the 20+ years after her disappearance, Wayne never got in any trouble with the law. I just don't see why he would have killed her when he had no reason to do so. It was sad to see that he passed away in 2015 after more than a five year battle with cancer. Those last photos of him are heartbreaking to look at.

Hello! :wave:

I totally disagree. (Not about his cancer photos. Those are awful.) But I do think he had the appropriate window of time to kill her and did, in fact, do so. It's just speculation, but there have been several folks both on here and on the official Unsolved website who allegedly knew Wayne and said, "Yep. Without a doubt, he killed her."

There was a different thread where it was discussed at pretty decent lengths. If I can remember it, I'll tag it so you can look it over.

I can't remember who it was, but I know I also got into a discussion with either Hambone or DallasTexan about the possibility that Tara's killer could have been a police officer... I still hold that possibility out there, too.

- Paul Pollis - Definitely guilty, but likely had some type of help after the fact. Probably from his parents as mentioned in the segment.


....well, that's just ludicrous! :D :D :D

Hello! :wave:

I totally disagree. (Not about his cancer photos. Those are awful.) But I do think he had the appropriate window of time to kill her and did, in fact, do so. It's just speculation, but there have been several folks both on here and on the official Unsolved website who allegedly knew Wayne and said, "Yep. Without a doubt, he killed her."

There was a different thread where it was discussed at pretty decent lengths. If I can remember it, I'll tag it so you can look it over.

I can't remember who it was, but I know I also got into a discussion with either Hambone or DallasTexan about the possibility that Tara's killer could have been a police officer... I still hold that possibility out there, too.

So you're saying he had the means and the opportunity, correct? What was the motive?

So you're saying he had the means and the opportunity, right? What was the motive?

Jealousy.

I'd just like to say that of the people listed, the only one I am 100% convinced is innocent is Steve Bechtel. I lean towards Al Henderson and Wayne Hecker being innocent, but there are some doubts. I'm 50/50 on Don Sherman and Alfredo Newball. And there is still a tiny portion of me that thinks it's possible that both Paul Pollis and Rob Page were innocent. Everyone else on that list is guilty as sin.

I can't remember who it was, but I know I also got into a discussion with either Hambone or DallasTexan about the possibility that Tara's killer could have been a police officer... I still hold that possibility out there, too.

It wasn't me, but that is an interesting theory. The only reason I would not put much into it is because I firmly believe Wayne killed her. I've driven the exact route from Tara's job to her apartment. It did not take long at all, maybe like 15 minutes or so. Her car was found right in the middle of the exact route she would take. I think she and Wayne got into an argument for whatever reason (Wayne was a known druggie, so it could have been anything) and he killed her. I think he later drove her car to that spot on the freeway and either walked back to the apartment complex (as it wasn't that far from the spot her car was found) or had someone pick him up. In my opinion, he did this to make authorities, family and friends believe that she never made it home.

I've driven the exact route from Tara's job to her apartment.

Did you bring a bunch of $1 bills with you?

- Mark Nichols - Absolutely guilty. People want to talk about Tim McClure being a bumbling idiot. Have they ever seen Mark Nichols interview??

:lol: :lol: :lol: CLASSIC LINE! That is hilarious.

I suspect the reason Mark and his wife went out that night was so she could tell him she was leaving, or that it came up in conversation, and then he beat her to death. His story and behavior are a joke. The fact that he detailed every piece of clothing that she took proves that he packed the bag. He is certainly a dim bulb.

Jealousy.

Tara left work early the night that she disappeared which was out of character for her. She'd talked about moving out on Wayne in the past but always talked it over with him first and reconciled. Tara's mother said they'd talked about her moving out without talking to him first. I think, the night she left work early, it was to go home and get her things and leave. I think she knew he was going out that night and saw it as her chance to get away. I think Wayne came home earlier than she expected and caught her leaving and stopped her.

:lol: :lol: :lol: CLASSIC LINE! That is hilarious.

I suspect the reason Mark and his wife went out that night was so she could tell him she was leaving, or that it came up in conversation, and then he beat her to death. His story and behavior are a joke. The fact that he detailed every piece of clothing that she took proves that he packed the bag. He is certainly a dim bulb.

I've said the same thing. Not that he's a dim bulb, but that I can't think of anyone in their right mind that could say everything a person packed in a suitcase, down to the underwear.

Like I said, my husband would say, "Yeah. Pretty sure she's gone. She took her glasses, her contacts, and her iPad. Clothes? Uhh... pretty sure she was wearing a jacket?" :lol: :lol:

Not to rag on my husband. I would say pretty close to the same thing if he disappeared. "His glasses and Kindle are gone. He was probably in cargo pants and a maroon hoodie."

Jealousy.

Jealous of what? That she worked at a gentleman's club? She was just a bartender/server there and was never a dancer/performer. No reason to be jealous to the point of killing someone for something like that. Besides, he already had her. There are a lot of creeps (not saying everyone that goes to strip clubs are creeps, but some of them certainly are) that regular those type of places that she interacted with. We already know of one that had it in for her, but that's just one that said/did something about it. For every one of those types, there are probably a half a dozen more that keep those thoughts to themselves.

Think about growing up during your teenage years. How often did you have a crush on someone? How many times did you act on it? How many times did you not act on it? See what I'm saying? For every guy slipping her notes and leaving $100 tips and being bold about his intentions, I'm sure there were plenty of others that weren't. They would have had much more of a motive than Wayne to do harm to her. They wanted her and couldn't have her. Plus, they were physically at her place of work and knew exactly when she was going to get off work. On the night of her disappearance, she left work much earlier than normal. At a time that Wayne would have had no idea of. Someone that was at the club could have and most certainly would have overheard her saying that she was about to clock out early.

I picture an obsessed customer (could have been the $100 tip guy, could have been a "secret" admirer) hearing her say that she's getting off and preemptively leaving. He probably waited for her from down the street from the club just close enough to observe the parking lot but just far enough away not to stand out. Tara leaves the parking lot in her own car just fine which is why her escort didn't notice anything strange. The creep then follows her and either waits for her to stop or flags her down. Maybe this person was so generous, nice and polite to her inside the club that she didn't think much of it. He then tries to make a move on her, she resists and then he ends up killing her and disposing of her body. Or he could have immediately pulled a weapon and skipped the formalities. Either way, it ends up being the same tragic result.

I think this is a much more likely scenario than Wayne magically figuring out what time she was going to leave work that night and scrambling to drive to intercept her en route to their residence. Then he had to kill her, dispose of her body and return to the bar he started at without so much as a drop of blood or dirt on him and acting completely normal. All in a 30-90 minute window depending on whose testimony you believe. No blood evidence was found in their residence or either of their vehicles as well. 90 minutes might be enough time to drive to point A, commit a crime, then drive to point B, dispose of the body, then drive to point C and return to your prior activity but that doesn't take into account the time to cover it up. I just don't find it feasible to have done all of that plus cover it up so well that any trace of the crime completely vanished. I'm not buying it.

Hell, I think a random act of violence and/or a road rage incident makes even more sense than Wayne becoming psychic, sociopathic and The Flash for 90 minutes then returning to his normal life for another two decades. Wayne had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by killing Tara.

Did you bring a bunch of $1 bills with you?

No comment.

Jealous of what? That she worked at a gentleman's club? She was just a bartender/server there and was never a dancer/performer.

Just a heads up, but the bartenders/servers aren't exactly fully clothed either....

It wasn't me, but that is an interesting theory. The only reason I would not put much into it is because I firmly believe Wayne killed her. I've driven the exact route from Tara's job to her apartment. It did not take long at all, maybe like 15 minutes or so. Her car was found right in the middle of the exact route she would take. I think she and Wayne got into an argument for whatever reason (Wayne was a known druggie, so it could have been anything) and he killed her. I think he later drove her car to that spot on the freeway and either walked back to the apartment complex (as it wasn't that far from the spot her car was found) or had someone pick him up. In my opinion, he did this to make authorities, family and friends believe that she never made it home.

A "known druggie" in a southern state could be anything as innocent as someone that smoked pot. I grew up in a red state and even recreational marijuana smokers were ridiculously labeled as "drug addicts" by conservative folks. Besides, he had no criminal record having to do with any hard narcotics (or anything AT ALL for that matter) so the testimony of someone from a Bible Belt state that personally didn't like him and randomly posted here once or twice calling him a "druggie" leads me to believe that he smoked pot and maybe blew a little coke at bachelor parties. Nothing to get bent out of shape about.

Your theory of her coming home and him doing harm to her there would make sense if:

A- They found blood evidence and/or any evidence that a crime was committed in their residence.

B- They found blood evidence and/or any evidence that a crime was committed in Wayne's vehicle.

C- They found blood evidence and/or any evidence that a crime was committed in Tara's vehicle.

None of those things happened.

Tara left work early the night that she disappeared which was out of character for her. She'd talked about moving out on Wayne in the past but always talked it over with him first and reconciled. Tara's mother said they'd talked about her moving out without talking to him first. I think, the night she left work early, it was to go home and get her things and leave. I think she knew he was going out that night and saw it as her chance to get away. I think Wayne came home earlier than she expected and caught her leaving and stopped her.

If that were the case, wouldn't her mother have told that to the police to have the finger even pointed more firmly at Wayne? She didn't say that. Because it wasn't the case. I'm not even going to entertain that any further.

Just a heads up, but the bartenders/servers aren't exactly fully clothed either....

Completely irrelevant. In fact, that would make my obsessed customer theory carry even more weight IMO.

Your theory of her coming home and him doing harm to her there would make sense if:

A- They found blood evidence and/or any evidence that a crime was committed in their residence.

B- They found blood evidence and/or any evidence that a crime was committed in Wayne's vehicle.

C- They found blood evidence and/or any evidence that a crime was committed in Tara's vehicle.

None of those things happened.

I never said he killed her there. He could have easily abducted her from the apartment, taken her to a remote location, killed her and dumped her body in a random dumpster.



If that were the case, wouldn't her mother have told that to the police to have the finger even pointed more firmly at Wayne? She didn't say that. Because it wasn't the case. I'm not even going to entertain that any further.

What does her mother have to do with anything? Is a suspects guilt predicated on the victims family believing him/her to be the killer?



Completely irrelevant. In fact, that would make my obsessed customer theory carry even more weight IMO.

I was just pointing it out to make sure everyone knew that these girls aren't wearing an outfit like the waitresses at Chili's do.

What does her mother have to do with anything? Is a suspects guilt predicated on the victims family believing him/her to be the killer?

I'm assuming that Hot Jock made the leap that if she was moving out that night without telling Wayne, that she would have told her mother about it ahead of time. I don't think that necessarily has to be true though. If it was a spur of the moment thing based on the opportunity to get off work early, then she might not have told anyone.

I'm assuming that Hot Jock made the leap that if she was moving out that night without telling Wayne, that she would have told her mother about it ahead of time. I don't think that necessarily has to be true though. If it was a spur of the moment thing based on the opportunity to get off work early, then she might not have told anyone.

She would have had to have told someone she planned to move since, you know, she was going to need a new place to stay. Yet nobody came forward and said that she was going to come stay with them for awhile nor did anyone come forward to say that she found a new place to go. The theory that she just decided to up and move at 1:00 am on a random weeknight without either telling a single soul or having anywhere to go is beyond silly. I only said "her mother" because that's the only person she ever had discussions with about moving out as far as we know. But yeah, I imagine it could have been anyone close to her.

Plus, there was no evidence at the residence to suggest that any bags were packed, belongings were missing, etc. I'd say it's much more of a leap to suggest that she decided to move out in the middle of the night without telling anyone or having a new place to go than to suggest that she would have told somebody. With all of the evidence we have available to us, I'd say that the idea that she was going to move out on the night she disappeared to be closer to 0% than to even 1%. It just makes absolutely no sense.

She would have had to have told someone she planned to move since, you know, she was going to need a new place to stay. Yet nobody came forward and said that she was going to come stay with them for awhile nor did anyone come forward to say that she found a new place to go. The theory that she just decided to up and move at 1:00 am on a random weeknight without either telling a single soul or having anywhere to go is beyond silly. I only said "her mother" because that's the only person she ever had discussions with about moving out as far as we know. But yeah, I imagine it could have been anyone close to her.

Plus, there was no evidence at the residence to suggest that any bags were packed, belongings were missing, etc. I'd say it's much more of a leap to suggest that she decided to move out in the middle of the night without telling anyone or having a new place to go than to suggest that she would have told somebody. With all of the evidence we have available to us, I'd say that the idea that she was going to move out on the night she disappeared to be closer to 0% than to even 1%. It just makes absolutely no sense.

You've brought up several times, the evidence (and lack thereof) at the residence. How soon after she disappeared did police search their residence? The UM segment didn't give an indication to my recollection. Was it immediately the next day or was it several days later. Wayne lived there too. If the police weren't involved immediately then he could have had days alone to manipulate that scene.

Didn't the manager of the club say he let 2 employees go home early that night because they were slow, and Tara volunteered? If so, there goes the theory that she planned on leaving Wayne that night. Because if the club was busy, she wouldn't have been able to leave.

Didn't the manager of the club say he let 2 employees go home early that night because they were slow, and Tara volunteered? If so, there goes the theory that she planned on leaving Wayne that night. Because if the club was busy, she wouldn't have been able to leave.

I'm not sure where the theory of her planning to leave him in the middle of the night is coming from. But you're correct. The manager did let a few employees go home early due to the club being slow and Tara volunteered.

I'm not sure where the theory of her planning to leave him in the middle of the night is coming from. But you're correct. The manager did let a few employees go home early due to the club being slow and Tara volunteered.

It's a theory I put forward earlier on this page. I stated it a little more adamantly than I meant it. I stated it like facts I firmly believe rather than as a possible idea.

I think it's fair to say that its probably not a very plausible idea at this point.

Ooh, we can also add Stephen Geri to the list, as I watched this segment on Amazon Prime for the first time in ages. Definitely vote guilty on this one. He tried WAY too hard to generate the perfect alibi for himself! But I'm still on the fence about whether he murdered his wife before he left the house that morning, or if he hired someone else to do it after he was gone.

I have never seen anybody as guilty as Jule Caylor--until I saw the Mark Nichols interview. Every time he opened his mouth there was another red flag. By his own admission, people thought he was beating her, people thought he was violent, people thought he murdered her, dismembered her, and hid her body. And he presented all of this as if to say, "Can you believe it? They'd think something like that of me...ME?!"

People thought that of him because he did beat her, he was violent, and she was trying to leave him. He likely killed her after they left the bar, put her in the trunk, drove home to pay off the babysitter, and then the next morning took the kids to his MiL's house (and of course, he didn't even bother to ask her if she'd seen his missing wife because he knew she had not) and then disposed of the body. And then went on to lie about it on national TV, marry twice more, and have a grand old life.

At least he didn't actually say during his national TV interview that he was happier now she was gone and his life was better for it. Jule was a real piece of crap human being (who also went on to lead a happy life).

Ooh, we can also add Stephen Geri to the list, as I watched this segment on Amazon Prime for the first time in ages. Definitely vote guilty on this one. He tried WAY too hard to generate the perfect alibi for himself! But I'm still on the fence about whether he murdered his wife before he left the house that morning, or if he hired someone else to do it after he was gone.

Absolutely we can. No one knows their movements to the minute like that. I'm of the opinion that he hired it out.

Ooh, we can also add Stephen Geri to the list, as I watched this segment on Amazon Prime for the first time in ages. Definitely vote guilty on this one. He tried WAY too hard to generate the perfect alibi for himself! But I'm still on the fence about whether he murdered his wife before he left the house that morning, or if he hired someone else to do it after he was gone.

Stephen Geri not only has the distinction of being one of the guiltiest spouses ever, but one of the strangest people ever interviewed on UM.

I have never seen anybody as guilty as Jule Caylor--until I saw the Mark Nichols interview. Every time he opened his mouth there was another red flag. By his own admission, people thought he was beating her, people thought he was violent, people thought he murdered her, dismembered her, and hid her body. And he presented all of this as if to say, "Can you believe it? They'd think something like that of me...ME?!"

People thought that of him because he did beat her, he was violent, and she was trying to leave him. He likely killed her after they left the bar, put her in the trunk, drove home to pay off the babysitter, and then the next morning took the kids to his MiL's house (and of course, he didn't even bother to ask her if she'd seen his missing wife because he knew she had not) and then disposed of the body. And then went on to lie about it on national TV, marry twice more, and have a grand old life.

At least he didn't actually say during his national TV interview that he was happier now she was gone and his life was better for it. Jule was a real piece of crap human being (who also went on to lead a happy life).

I couldn't agree more. Have you seen the Paul Pollis interview? He's right up there, too.

Welcome, btw! :wave:

Stephen Geri not only has the distinction of being one of the guiltiest spouses ever, but one of the strangest people ever interviewed on UM.

No kidding! He made some pretty bizarre and awkward statements, like when he's discussing the lawsuit by Marilu's parents...

“Well there are two things that make the world go round, and that’s sex and money. And it definitely wasn’t sex, was it?” :rolleyes:

I couldn't agree more. Have you seen the Paul Pollis interview? He's right up there, too.

Welcome, btw! :wave:

Thanks for the welcome!

I probably haven't seen that--I'm only up to episode 9 on Prime, but it sounds like that's going to be a real treat.

No kidding! He made some pretty bizarre and awkward statements, like when he's discussing the lawsuit by Marilu's parents...

“Well there are two things that make the world go round, and that’s sex and money. And it definitely wasn’t sex, was it?” :rolleyes:

Yeah, I had forgotten about that line until I watched the segment on Amazon. My jaw dropped when I heard it. I can't think of a weirder thing for him to have said.

No kidding! He made some pretty bizarre and awkward statements, like when he's discussing the lawsuit by Marilu's parents...

“Well there are two things that make the world go round, and that’s sex and money. And it definitely wasn’t sex, was it?” :rolleyes:

Oh yeah. And the platitudes about Marilu were weird, too. He sounded like he was talking about the best business partner he ever had, rather than his own wife.

Absolutely we can. No one knows their movements to the minute like that. I'm of the opinion that he hired it out.

Yep, I watched that recently as well and came to the same conclusion.

I had Stephen Geri in my head when I created this thread, can't believe I overlooked him. I agree with what everyone has already said about him, there's no doubt in my mind that he arranged his wife's death.

I'd also add Al Henderson (guilty) and Steve Bechtel (innocent).

Al Henderson, huh? I just can't decide. What would his motive be, do you think?

Al Henderson, huh? I just can't decide. What would his motive be, do you think?

That's the big issue here. I have no idea what his motive could be and I actually do believe that Jean made to Laughlin and that Al's bookkeeper spoke to her on the phone the night before she disappeared. But I've never been able to overlook the fact that actual video evidence contradicts Al's entire story. I just don't think that can be logically explained. Without that, I'd probably lean towards him being innocent.

Stephen Geri not only has the distinction of being one of the guiltiest spouses ever, but one of the strangest people ever interviewed on UM.


I used to think so as well but now that I've checked out his website, I'm convinced that he's a loving family guy that would never hire someone to murder his wife and then lie about it on national television:

http://stephengeri.com/family-and-community/

(tic)

How about Larry Gibson claiming he didn't kill his son Tommy?

After his young daughter changed her story and said she witnessed daddy beating Tommy until he was knocked out, he spent a grand total of three years in prison on a second degree murder charge. Tommy's body was never found.

From the first time I saw that segment, I thought Larry was guilty as sin, despite his dead pan delivery during his interview. Coma patients have more of a personality than Larry Gibson.

How about Larry Gibson claiming he didn't kill his son Tommy?

After his young daughter changed her story and said she witnessed daddy beating Tommy until he was knocked out, he spent a grand total of three years in prison on a second degree murder charge. Tommy's body was never found.


I'm not trying to nitpick too much, but Larry Gibson was convicted of second degree manslaughter rather than murder which explains the light sentence. (Not that I agree with that sentence)

I used to think so as well but now that I've checked out his website, I'm convinced that he's a loving family guy that would never hire someone to murder his wife and then lie about it on national television:

http://stephengeri.com/family-and-community/

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Ohhhh I had forgotten about the site. Lord.

One more addition: Mike Morris. I'm inclined to think he's guilty of hiring someone to murder his wife.

Donnie Hansen; he was acquitted, but his own family believes him to have been involved in the murder of his sisters.

Chad Noe; there hasn't been any evidence uncovered that he was directly involved with the murders of Lisa, Wendy and Cynthia, but I suspect that he knew what his mother was planning.

I think that Thomas Drake, despite his protestations, had something to do with the attack on his wife.

I had forgotten who Stephen Geri was so I googled him. Looks like he's continued doing well for himself financially, but it IS SO WEIRD to me that I could just tweet at him. I never imagined being able to tweet at someone I watched on Unsolved Mysteries.

One caveat to the Stephen Geri hiring someone to off his wife was that he was in financial disarray (according to UM) at the time of Merliu's murder, so unless he promised the killer a cut of the insurance money, I don't see how he would have came up with the money up front.

I used to think so as well but now that I've checked out his website, I'm convinced that he's a loving family guy that would never hire someone to murder his wife and then lie about it on national television:

http://stephengeri.com/family-and-community/

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I looked it over very thoroughly. I don't understand why he didn't mention that he killed his wife. :confused:

I looked it over very thoroughly. I don't understand why he didn't mention that he killed his wife. :confused:

Interestingly, he did have this to say (emphasis mine):

A horrible tragedy struck my family unit on Feb. 14th 1986. My wife was brutally murdered by multiple persons using multiple guns. I thank God every day that our Daughter was not a victim as well.
For years, I have suffered innuendos and insinuations regarding what happened without these people having any common knowledge.
The truth is no one knows, Fort Bend sheriff’s office has reviewed every scenario over the last 30 years without a clue as to how this happened.

The law suit came about because of a selfish unheralded individual trying to impress a family member. Many folks look at a website which makes statements that are taken out of context by her family and/or listen to other folks that have no knowledge as to what happened. If they did have any real knowledge, I would hope that they would please contact the Texas Rangers or Fort Bend county cold case department.

I would like to disclose something that has never been disclosed until now:

“..At the hearing to distribution of the Life Insurance proceeds, I told the judge I wanted to donate the entire amount to The American Heart Association”. This is documented by court records.

Unsolved mysteries did not present the video correctly, and I never signed a release. The service selling this video operates below the line of integrity. It is full of lies & private interpretations. No truth.


I hope so much he's talking about us.

I couldn't agree more. Have you seen the Paul Pollis interview? He's right up there, too.

If you look at this case, they have Charlotte listed at 5'7" 300 pounds at the time she went missing. Paul was not a massive, hulking man from the clip I saw of him. He would have needed help moving her around if he killed her in the house. No way he was moving that dead weight around on his own

Interestingly, he did have this to say (emphasis mine):



I hope so much he's talking about us.

YES! I second this notion. :lol:

I have corresponded with Drake and seen copies of police reports and the like and well, there is reason to believe he didn't do it despite his own unseemly behavior before and after the crime occurred. Drake turns 79 this year and is still serving a life sentence in a Florida prison.

Interestingly, he did have this to say (emphasis mine):



I hope so much he's talking about us.
well two things make the world go round. what an idiot he is for saying that. and that website looks so.... hey look at how good of a person I am now.

If you look at this case, they have Charlotte listed at 5'7" 300 pounds at the time she went missing. Paul was not a massive, hulking man from the clip I saw of him. He would have needed help moving her around if he killed her in the house. No way he was moving that dead weight around on his own


I don't recall for certain. but did he not use that as a defense in his interview? I feel like if he did kill her he would have had to of done something to solve this problem, but certainly latch onto it to use it as a reason for his innocence. I think it is possible that he was on stimulant drugs and if I recall he was later arrested for drugs?

I don't recall for certain. but did he not use that as a defense in his interview? I feel like if he did kill her he would have had to of done something to solve this problem, but certainly latch onto it to use it as a reason for his innocence. I think it is possible that he was on stimulant drugs and if I recall he was later arrested for drugs?

He's had major run-ins with the law since Charlotte's disappearance.

You can obviously argue that two ways:

1) He was devastated over her disappearance and that he was wrongfully accused, leading him to self-medicate with drugs and get into all the legal trouble he was in (which wasn't limited to just drugs-- I think he embezzled, too.)

or

2) He's a criminal and he killed his wife in cold blood.

Dollars to donuts you guys can guess which one *I* think is the case... :)

Paul Pollis is a scumsucking worm who ripped off dialysis patients for more than a million dollars. He didn't even serve a single day in jail for that crime either because he turned stool pigeon on his own girlfriend and testified against her when she was facing embezzlement charges just to save his own skin. Not only is he a thief who steals from sick people, but he's also a rat. This guy is the lowest of the low as far as I'm concerned. There is no doubt in my mind that he killed Charlotte. Just google his name and you'll find plenty of articles covering his various run ins with the law.

Paul Pollis is a scumsucking worm who ripped off dialysis patients for more than a million dollars. He didn't even serve a single day in jail for that crime either because he turned stool pigeon on his own girlfriend and testified against her when she was facing embezzlement charges just to save his own skin. Not only is he a thief who steals from sick people, but he's also a rat. This guy is the lowest of the low as far as I'm concerned. There is no doubt in my mind that he killed Charlotte. Just google his name and you'll find plenty of articles covering his various run ins with the law.

...but, but.... he likes a clean house!

...but, but.... he likes a clean house!

This is literally almost the word-for-word mental response I had to that post as well. :lol:

...but, but.... he likes a clean house!
Haha now I know why they smelled a rat when his house was clean. It was a little too clean.

Haha now I know why they smelled a rat when his house was clean. It was a little too clean.

Had you not seen the segment before? The police said something to the effect of, "It was the cleanest freakin' house we've ever seen...."

Had you not seen the segment before? The police said something to the effect of, "It was the cleanest freakin' house we've ever seen...."
Yeah I have seen it a few times at least. It had just been a long time and my memory gets hazy. Loving this rat reference. It fits. And I always remember the clean house line and his arrogance as he said it.

Sadly the mother of the victim absorbs a lot of my memory of the segment. She steals the negative spotlight somewhat when it needs to stay with Paul

Yeah I have seen it a few times at least. It had just been a long time and my memory gets hazy. Loving this rat reference. It fits. And I always remember the clean house line and his arrogance as he said it.

Sadly the mother of the victim absorbs a lot of my memory of the segment. She steals the negative spotlight somewhat when it needs to stay with Paul

Yeah, she was a bit hard to swallow at points. Especially when she talked about the dark trash bags. That feels like the kind of thing she either made up or coached the little girl to say. I have a hard time with the idea that she saw what Paul did and nothing more came of it than her grandparents having to get rid of all of their dark trash bags. Charlotte's brother and sister were far more sympathetic during the segment.

Both Charlotte and Paul's mothers seem weird af to me based on their interviews on UM. Albeit for completely different reasons, but they both seem to be really "interesting" people to say the least.

Pollis did not have any run ins with the law until after Charlotte's disappearance, correct? I know it screams that he's a low life murderer who still hasn't changed his ways, but I also feel it's equally likely that if he is innocent all of the innuendo's and accusations over the years took a toll on him. I don't think his brushes with the law since Charlotte's disappearance have any bearing on whether or not he murdered her.

Both Charlotte and Paul's mothers seem weird af to me based on their interviews on UM. Albeit for completely different reasons, but they both seem to be really "interesting" people to say the least.

The thing that stood out with me most from Paul's mother was when she talked about how long they'd lived in the community and she said, "we're not that kind of people." Although she was saying these things to maintain Paul's (and his family's) innocence, I took it the other way. If you've ever lived in a small community and known people whose reputation in the community is everything to them (aka, they say things like we're not that kind of people) then it's easy to understand that they'll do anything to maintain their reputation. IIRC, these comments from her came right after it was brought up by police that the house was unusually clean and right before Paul said he liked to live in a clean house. What I saw when she said that is a woman who helped her son cover up the murder of his wife so that no one would think that they're "that kind of people." Their reputation was more important than what Paul had done to Charlotte.

Pollis did not have any run ins with the law until after Charlotte's disappearance, correct? I know it screams that he's a low life murderer who still hasn't changed his ways, but I also feel it's equally likely that if he is innocent all of the innuendo's and accusations over the years took a toll on him. I don't think his brushes with the law since Charlotte's disappearance have any bearing on whether or not he murdered her.

Yes, even though Paul has an extensive criminal record over the past 20 years, I don't believe he had any brushes with the law before Charlotte's disappearance. However, it would not surprise me if he was involved in illegal activity in 1994, but just hadn't been caught yet. Since there was no known abuse in the marriage, a possible motive for Charlotte's death is that she found out Paul was involved in something shady and confronted him, leading to a fight where he killed her, likely by accident.

Of course, my alternate theory is that Charlotte could have been killed because of Paul's illegal activities. Maybe she was abducted and murdered over a drug debt or something, but Paul was unable to say anything without incriminating himself. But since his actions indirectly led to his wife's death, the guilt caused him to lead a self-destructive lifestyle for the next 20 years. I do think it's far more likely that Paul killed Charlotte himself, but a part of me wonders if this scenario is closer to the real truth.

the guilt caused him to lead a self-destructive lifestyle for the next 20 years.

I think this is extremely plausible regardless of whether Paul or criminal associates killed Charlotte. I'm rarely inclined to think of the husband/wife crimes presented on UM (Dottie Caylor, Christi Nichols, Charlotte Pollis, etc) as cold-blooded murder. I generally believe them to be more likely to be accidental, "heat of the moment" type crimes.

After watching part of season 2, add Bob Hall to this list. (Granted he was found guilty and then later plead guilty.) But he went on UM with nothing to hide and a very narrow window of opportunity, and yet he did it.

Some of these people are able to put on quite a show for the camera in spite of being guilty as sin.

After watching part of season 2, add Bob Hall to this list. (Granted he was found guilty and then later plead guilty.) But he went on UM with nothing to hide and a very narrow window of opportunity, and yet he did it.

Some of these people are able to put on quite a show for the camera in spite of being guilty as sin.

The list was for people who have never been charged, that's why I kept Bob Hall and Tim McClure off of the list. But I do agree about Bob Hall. I initially thought he was innocent after viewing the segment.

The list was for people who have never been charged, that's why I kept Bob Hall and Tim McClure off of the list. But I do agree about Bob Hall. I initially thought he was innocent after viewing the segment.

Wow... I can read. Honestly, I can. :crazy: Sorry, I should have read the "never been charged" part.

But I agree with you on Bob Hall. I thought for sure he was innocent. That update shocked me.

I think this is extremely plausible regardless of whether Paul or criminal associates killed Charlotte. I'm rarely inclined to think of the husband/wife crimes presented on UM (Dottie Caylor, Christi Nichols, Charlotte Pollis, etc) as cold-blooded murder. I generally believe them to be more likely to be accidental, "heat of the moment" type crimes.
well with dottie and Christi there was some clear domestic violence there. and we don't get both sides of the story. both husbands seem to want to pass the blame a bit. with domestic violence it's shaky because at what point in someone's mind do they start to think about what they are doing? yes it could be heat of the moment type case, but with that history and the potential of divorce/separation/moving away etc the wives wind up disappearing? and they cover it up and go on camera with that arrogance....that's pretty cold blooded to me. Now if they are indeed innocent I stand corrected.

well with dottie and Christi there was some clear domestic violence there. and we don't get both sides of the story. both husbands seem to want to pass the blame a bit. with domestic violence it's shaky because at what point in someone's mind do they start to think about what they are doing? yes it could be heat of the moment type case, but with that history and the potential of divorce/separation/moving away etc the wives wind up disappearing? and they cover it up and go on camera with that arrogance....that's pretty cold blooded to me. Now if they are indeed innocent I stand corrected.

I don't think people like Mark Nichols and Jule Caylor aren't fairly cold-blooded as individuals. I'm just rarely inclined to believe, regardless of past abuse, that those spousal murder cases are calculated, planned-ahead-of-time murders unless given evidence to the contrary. I think the more likely scenario most of the time is another round of abuse got out of hand.

I don't think people like Mark Nichols and Jule Caylor aren't fairly cold-blooded as individuals. I'm just rarely inclined to believe, regardless of past abuse, that those spousal murder cases are calculated, planned-ahead-of-time murders unless given evidence to the contrary. I think the more likely scenario most of the time is another round of abuse got out of hand.
it is possible that you are right. we don't know. it is possible they are innocent of a crime although that thought is not popular on here. I tend to think they are both involved with the disappearance.

I bring up the history of domestic violence because they both admit to it on camera. That definitely shows a pattern of behavior that could have been a link to premeditation. I would conclude that they both are lying about the severity of their actions to say the least.

I look at a closed case that we know the outcome. Annette Burnside. I'm just connecting the dots. Usually there is a pattern of behavior and something finally snaps.

Stephen Geri not only has the distinction of being one of the guiltiest spouses ever, but one of the strangest people ever interviewed on UM.
Absolutely, 100% agree.

It's one thing to change your routine the day of something shocking happening; suspicious, but not necessarily something that makes you guilty. But to go back to these places and say, "Hey remember how I was here?" and make a point of establishing your alibi is beyond incriminating.

I think it's clear he hired someone to do the job if he didn't do it himself. I lean toward the former since all of his guns were cleared by law enforcement.